WEBVTT - Fight Night Behind-The-Scenes 1: Inception

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<v Speaker 1>From iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures. This is Fight Night. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Keating.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Kenny back KB in the house. Finally, after

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, we are on the mic together.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm believe incredible. Honestly, like twenty years of Fight Night.

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<v Speaker 3>In September fifth, we are going to be on Peacock's

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<v Speaker 3>sharing this amazing story with the world. How do you feel, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 3>Because this is a literal twenty year journey for you personally.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been asked that question a lot recently and honestly

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to get a grip on even how to answer.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the best way I can describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel at this point now like I was dating the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot up and coming actress.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm just say the hot you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>knew that she was going to break out at some

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<v Speaker 2>point and one day she would be a star. And

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<v Speaker 2>now she's left me behind and it's oh no, yes, way,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all too big for me now, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's so big, like it's just surpassed me.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you know what, it's ironic you say that because

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<v Speaker 3>the entire process, that's how you acted on set. But

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna we're gonna go back, okay before we come forward,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're gonna talk about how you heard about this

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<v Speaker 3>story originally, and you know, we'll get right into how

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<v Speaker 3>we met because you know you heard the story from

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<v Speaker 3>your dad, right yep, and talk about a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>for the newcomers because we have way more fans, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>ready for fight night September fifth, and we had when

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<v Speaker 3>we had the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, we always want you to go

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<v Speaker 2>back and listen to the podcast which is on iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 2>another platform platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, sir, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad and mom were in Atlanta back literally in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties and getting ready to leave on their second honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 2>So they had eloped to Italy, Wow, without telling any

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<v Speaker 2>of the fam. My Jewish grandmother, Elizabeth Hoffman, God Rest

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<v Speaker 2>her soul, said no, no, no, You're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding here in Nashville with all of our family. Ok

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<v Speaker 2>So they're basically coming off of that second wedding. They're

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta about to go back to Italy for another honeymoon,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ali's in town. Obviously will this come exactly So

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<v Speaker 2>the morning that they're leaving on the plane to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Italy. My dad remembers reading the article. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's how like in his mind this get captured. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to mom at some point, but she was working

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<v Speaker 2>obviously at the hotel, the High Regency, where all this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, goes down.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was amazing, by the way, because we were

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<v Speaker 3>actually there when you first told me about the story

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<v Speaker 3>with your dad. We were literally at the hotel shooting night.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. It was the first time I heard you

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<v Speaker 3>tell that story. Yes, no, since I've known you. When

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<v Speaker 3>we were shooting fight night, right, like you told me

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<v Speaker 3>the story. We're in there, I'm like, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so you didn't know that part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't for some reason. And I'm like in there

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm feeling all the fields. I'm looking at you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Terrence and Sam and Kevin and you know Atkins, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Ory Harvey coming through in the white and I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>your dad like literally told you the story. So we

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<v Speaker 3>fast forward a little bit, right, you heard the story

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<v Speaker 3>from your dad. What age were you when you were like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I want to dig into this story?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that would have been so I started writing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to write screenplays let's say late twenties or early thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>which would have been around two.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand ishes, okay, And.

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<v Speaker 2>After a couple of attempts just to you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>writing and just learn what that's when my dad brought

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<v Speaker 2>me the story. So it probably like he probably a

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<v Speaker 2>fish brought it to me, you know, let's say two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one, two thousand and two, somewhere around there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon as I go to the library and

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<v Speaker 2>we're sitting there looking at microfilm and the headline comes up,

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<v Speaker 2>I turned to my dad and decater library and just say,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my next movie, Dad, Like, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where it kind of started. So the research

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, a year, you're reading the articles all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and ultimately it led to that interview with j. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson the cop Yes, and then finding out.

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<v Speaker 2>That spoiler alert somebody was still around, and getting that

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<v Speaker 2>interview with Chicken Man or calling the church, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good story right there. So this was the

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<v Speaker 2>chills moment one, and there's a few of them, but

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<v Speaker 2>this was the first. Well the first was sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>JD's house, you know, tough black cop shaft refusing to

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<v Speaker 2>turn off the Williams sisters on wimbleds me with my little.

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<v Speaker 3>Microof you know, trying to get.

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<v Speaker 2>A cassette radio and finding out that Chicken Man's still

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<v Speaker 2>alive and literally like pacing his living room like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a giggler.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just giggling. I was like, oh my god, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's looking at me like I'm crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So a few weeks later, we're calling churches around Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>We get Salem bapt In Church.

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<v Speaker 2>We find out that there's a Reverend Williams there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get on the phone and I say, hey, is

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<v Speaker 2>you know Reverend Williams there today? I'd like to speak

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Comes to the phone, yes, and I basically say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Reverend Williams, this is Jeff Keating. You know, I'm a producer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been researching this story. Are you the Chicken Man

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<v Speaker 2>right now? What year is this again? Two thousand and three?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Boone goes dead. I'm telling you, Kenny.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like about a good ten seconds like there

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<v Speaker 2>was like do I even want to respond to this question?

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<v Speaker 2>And then ultimately you just hear, yes, son, I am

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<v Speaker 2>the Chicken Man.

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<v Speaker 1>And then from.

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<v Speaker 3>That that was you know, was it a thing though,

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<v Speaker 3>because you got to imagine there was. They were enamored

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<v Speaker 3>by the story. You you know, are I mean clipping

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<v Speaker 3>you took me back in the day, was saying you

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<v Speaker 3>were looking at microfilm. Yeah, you know you you have

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<v Speaker 3>these articles in research and you have personal testimony, right

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<v Speaker 3>because you'd already met jdep and now he confirms that

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<v Speaker 3>he's the Chicken Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like this, It was really and just to

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<v Speaker 2>know that because again you got to remember there was

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<v Speaker 2>probably let's say seven to ten articles that said he

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<v Speaker 2>was killed, assassinated in a contract. Yeah, so many drug

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<v Speaker 2>deal going arrival but whatever, exactly. So shocking that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>news always doesn't get it all, you know, Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>social media just like but now we're talking fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like people are printing this that anybody just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, research and call and find out this guy

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<v Speaker 2>still anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So how did you wait? So you have this, this

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<v Speaker 3>this confirmation that the legendary Chicken Man exists. It's still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a preacher. Yep. It just doesn't go together on

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<v Speaker 3>some levels when you're about to see this amazing, this

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<v Speaker 3>is this coming September. But I mean, what what was

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<v Speaker 3>the next step? So you had Jack going to visit

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<v Speaker 3>him in person? Chicken Okay, so you go to the church.

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<v Speaker 3>At the church, was he talking that fly shit or

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<v Speaker 3>was he.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I'm saying. I never this is what's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>You did what I'm saying, though, like you did go

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<v Speaker 3>back into character after he started.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking, not at all. I always knew Reverend with this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's crazy. I only met Reverend Williams. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a glint or a shimmer of Chicken Man, but I

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<v Speaker 2>never met Chicken Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering that show up.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a glint, a smile, a glint in his eye,

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing like this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It met Rev.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Rev and only met Rev.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's weird to hear about Chicken Man and other

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about him, and JD talk about him, and

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<v Speaker 2>hear stories. Even the way he told it, it's Rev

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Chicken Man. It's not Chicken Man talking about

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<v Speaker 2>chicken It was like this mythic figure almost right, that

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<v Speaker 2>I really never met.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And then we are seeing, you know, fast forward

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of shooting Fight night and been on set

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<v Speaker 3>and seeing like Kevin become the Chicken Man and Cheetah

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<v Speaker 3>with j D.

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson, Yes, and Cheetah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean seeing him on set, seeing them both on set,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you see the genius set. What were some

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that when you initially had the conversation, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but you've now talked to them both, you're now in

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<v Speaker 3>process or so you get the life rights. We'll just

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<v Speaker 3>get to the life right. You get to the opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>where you can tell the story, you start to go pitch.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the first thing you did?

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<v Speaker 2>Get them both on camera for the first time ever

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it. So they hadn't seen each other in

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<v Speaker 2>over a decade, So just imagine that. You know, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, it's two guys that years ago used to

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<v Speaker 2>be on opposite sides of the street. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>got JD and Chicken in mutual respect. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're gonna do your thing you're doing, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna run, I'm gonna chase you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was always that, but again and for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason this mutual respect they had, and now Gordon is reverend.

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<v Speaker 2>So as soon as they walk in, I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>both light up and it's just this hug that they

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<v Speaker 2>come together, and I think he says, JD to Chicken Man,

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<v Speaker 2>my pastor, you know, my pastor.

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<v Speaker 3>But how does so So when when when rev Aka

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<v Speaker 3>Chicken Man sees JD, do you think they went immediately back.

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<v Speaker 2>To Oh you could tell. I mean, it was this friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>It was this like love for each other.

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<v Speaker 3>It was real. Long had they not seen each other a.

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<v Speaker 2>Decade at least since I got them on camera, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd never been on camera together ever, So now you

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<v Speaker 2>got them like in front of you know, and telling

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<v Speaker 2>this story. And one of the things that on during

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<v Speaker 2>the interview they talked about is that JD never called

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<v Speaker 2>him Chicken Man, right, you know, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people did, but JD never did that.

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<v Speaker 1>So so then it was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of them reminiscing and all of us that were there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had some camera people, photographers, my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>my sister and all these people just kind of watching

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<v Speaker 2>their care and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Again go back and type. But even there, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, he still was real. It was real. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is ironic, right, You witnessed history, right, because during this

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<v Speaker 3>time you're eager to tell the story. You don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to happen? You know you're a part of

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<v Speaker 3>this magic right because you know? And how dare you

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<v Speaker 3>ask me to host the podcast, Ladies and gentlemen, for

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<v Speaker 3>those who are listening right now and have been on

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<v Speaker 3>this journey with the entire podcast. Jeff Keating actually asked

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<v Speaker 3>me to be the host of the Fight Night podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, Jeff, how the fuck could I

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<v Speaker 3>tell the story better than you? And you like having

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<v Speaker 3>these moments, Jeff, this is why it's here. You did

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<v Speaker 3>the research, You were really on your journalism thing, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, let me get to the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>of this story. And then you had the two pillars,

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<v Speaker 3>the foundation of the story to you know, be your music.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people have to go off of clips like up

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<v Speaker 3>Town Saturday Night. You know, this is Uptown Saturday Night.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've ever said this. I know

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<v Speaker 3>I've said it a million times, but was based off

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<v Speaker 3>of this actual story. But you have these you know,

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<v Speaker 3>superheroes in this particular storytelling and your de phenomenal job.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, thank you. I'm proud of you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to get on the mic. Ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 3>You should have seen him on set. He was he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, it was almost as if he wasn't the

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<v Speaker 3>guy who brought this to Fruition. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>am proud of you. You know. But the next phase

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<v Speaker 3>of this is when we really met. I think, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we can fast forward, you know, to you trying to shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you got to start at least with Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that absolute, Yeah, let's give our versions, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>right about that time is the first time after let's

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<v Speaker 2>say a couple of years of getting the life rights

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<v Speaker 2>and doing the researches, but now we're trying to sell it, okay, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dallas would have been the first stop. So you

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<v Speaker 2>tell because again you worked for Dallas's companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>See, you tell your version, I'll tell mine, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll kind of show how our world's collide, which was

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<v Speaker 2>but by the way, years later, because two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, is when I get my first option from Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's around two thousand and eight ish that

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<v Speaker 2>you and I like, you know, finally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, So I was, you know, working with Dallas

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<v Speaker 3>and Dave Gates, and I heard the story and I

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<v Speaker 3>was just enamored by the fact that this heist happened, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and in theory, you're thinking about, how can a heist

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<v Speaker 3>happen for a million dollars at this little last house

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<v Speaker 3>new mind you, I live in Atlanta, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>had started my career ninety two, so I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, it's twelve years later almost, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just hearing this story. And I had heard so many stories.

0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, BMF had you know, just entered the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>All these things are happening, and I'm like, wait, this

0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.319
<v Speaker 3>is so interesting. But then it was like, I don't

0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:50.920
<v Speaker 3>know what to do with it. Like I'm not in

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<v Speaker 3>the film business. I was strictly music man at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll never forget I had launch Revolt Television with

0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Sean Colmes and Andre Herrel, and I was looking to

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<v Speaker 3>find content to put on the network. And I remember

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<v Speaker 3>I drove in Gumball three thousand. I had did like

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<v Speaker 3>these little shorts and all this stuff, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>just getting the bug, you know. And then I remember

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<v Speaker 3>reaching out to Dave Gates to see if Dallas Steele

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<v Speaker 3>had Fight Night and he was like, no, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>have it. And I was like, all right, cool, can

0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.280
<v Speaker 3>you find you know Jeff Keating because he was like, yes,

0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:29.880
<v Speaker 3>his name is Jeff Keating, he owes life wright. So

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<v Speaker 3>can you find Jeff? He was like, yes, I can

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<v Speaker 3>find him. And so I remember him calling he called me, yeah,

0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.760
<v Speaker 3>but I remember him calling me, say he got in

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<v Speaker 3>contact with you. And then what did you think when

0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.840
<v Speaker 3>he was calling? Like, where were you at even with

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<v Speaker 3>the project at that time when he called you? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>You, If I'm not mistaken, it had gone through a second

0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.200
<v Speaker 2>fruition with another company, which we don't want to mention

0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.360
<v Speaker 2>they weren't good at all, but as.

0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I had my gun noise like a push.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I got the option back again, got it okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And so after that, Dave calls me, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>working with Lars at the time because they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get it off the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>And and they and so they basically connected you with

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<v Speaker 4>Lars's reps, who was repping the project at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and you ended up, I think, getting on the phone

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<v Speaker 4>with either Lars and or his reps.

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<v Speaker 1>And at some point I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To say remember that, but I want to say that

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<v Speaker 2>you'd already connected with the trip with Will, which I

0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 2>want you to tell that story because it's great. But

0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I think let me let me ask you this. In

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, do you remember contacting me before you ran

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<v Speaker 2>into Will or afterwards?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I did before, okay, because actually that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a lucky break.

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<v Speaker 3>I had booked something with Kevin, okay, and I had

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned it to Kevin, but Kevin was too busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And I remember what you booked with Kevin, You remember.

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<v Speaker 3>The film, and I had set it in like passing,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know he's on fire at this time, so

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like a real thing I could follow up

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<v Speaker 3>on souse. I know how these things go. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I remembered that I had pitched Will with the script

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<v Speaker 3>that I had wrote called Fantasy Reel, And I was like,

0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.600
<v Speaker 3>you know what, let me go back that you wrote.

0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I co wrote a script called Fantasy Real, loosely based

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<v Speaker 3>off of Purple Rain. You know, obsessed with Prince. He

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<v Speaker 3>is my father in my mind. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we go to Will, let me see what

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<v Speaker 3>he thinks about the story. Immediately he was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, this is all over. Backup, because there's a

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<v Speaker 3>longer and better story. You either long.

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<v Speaker 1>You either ran you were on a plane with him

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not you know, we were I mean, but this is

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<v Speaker 3>all a part of the courting state, right, So I

0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.720
<v Speaker 3>told him the idea. He was enamored by it. Ironically,

0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.160
<v Speaker 3>we were on a plane together and he his car

0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.520
<v Speaker 3>service wasn't there, so I got an opportunity to use

0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.920
<v Speaker 3>my car service to take him to his house. You know,

0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.200
<v Speaker 3>reiterated the story, talked about it more, and that's how

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<v Speaker 3>those things happened. But I mean, in all, well, he

0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.440
<v Speaker 3>loved the concept of that of the story. He's like,

0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.760
<v Speaker 3>what a million dollars heights in George. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta at that time, right, He's breaking records. He's almost

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<v Speaker 3>unbelievable nobody. But it was amazing to your po I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad you reminded me about the plain thing because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh shit, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Get another It's just that's a lucky break where his

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<v Speaker 2>car service and now you get the long because you're like, Jeff,

0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.800
<v Speaker 2>at the end of that ride, I knew he was.

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<v Speaker 3>In and that's absolutely and honestly, yeah, it definitely sold him.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I felt like he was

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<v Speaker 3>in from the door. I just think that he had

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<v Speaker 3>so much going on. It was you know how things are,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, and so you know, after that we had

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting, and the meeting was unbelievable. And I do

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell a funny story about that because and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the culprit is James Lopez. James Lopez, I

0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.200
<v Speaker 3>think invited Tip, right, So this is how the story goes.

0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.840
<v Speaker 3>So after I know Will is excited about it. We've

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<v Speaker 3>had several conversations about it. You know, I started being proactive.

0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.800
<v Speaker 3>I created a movie poster. You know, I put rayleiod

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<v Speaker 3>on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Only Way You left me that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But you didn't talk much back then. Actually it was

0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.760
<v Speaker 3>and Brian and so you know, we were you know,

0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 3>gearing up to like, you know, get ready for something.

0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.320
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know what it was going to be. And

0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.080
<v Speaker 3>so you know, I had Taraji on the post Ironics.

0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.960
<v Speaker 3>She ended up being in it, and so I just

0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.159
<v Speaker 3>was a dream sequence of like, you know whatever, and

0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I was like getting into like I want this to

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<v Speaker 3>be like Harlem Knights, you know, all these black superheroes.

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<v Speaker 3>You got it early, yeah, you got it, yeah, very early.

0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.200
<v Speaker 3>And so I was like yeah, so you know Will

0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.920
<v Speaker 3>was with me, and he you know, encouraged me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget. I was like, okay, Atlanta has to

0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.720
<v Speaker 3>be in this project. So I'm calling you know, I

0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.240
<v Speaker 3>had already called Mike Epps. You know, he was excited.

0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.520
<v Speaker 3>He called t I, and t I calls me and

0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.160
<v Speaker 3>he's like, yo, you know I want to I want

0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.639
<v Speaker 3>to be in it. Okay, cool? He said, yeah, my

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.400
<v Speaker 3>mom and Chicken Man or my daddy somebody named him

0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.200
<v Speaker 3>in his fanst all this stuff. And I was like, absolutely,

0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:57.600
<v Speaker 3>think it.

0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it might have been Tips uncle and Chicken

0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Men that were pretty close.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I'm like absolutely all the things. Now, mind you,

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not telling him I want him to be a producer,

0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.200
<v Speaker 3>none of that. I'm just just talk. I'm being proactive

0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.359
<v Speaker 3>because this project exactly. But again back to this story,

0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.760
<v Speaker 3>so it's a whole thing. So he goes into this

0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.520
<v Speaker 3>whole thing, and I think James Lopez had invited him

0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.919
<v Speaker 3>to my next meeting with with Will. So I'm in

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.879
<v Speaker 3>the meeting and I you know, I know business and

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I know how people try to get in where they

0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 3>fit in, and so, uh, we had this conversation. At

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.360
<v Speaker 3>the end. I'm like, Will, you need to make sure

0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.120
<v Speaker 3>you're in control of what's going on? Because I didn't

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.680
<v Speaker 3>invite touch touch here. I don't know what's going on.

0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. I don't want to because

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just it gets weird and everybody's in

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.120
<v Speaker 3>the streets all the time. We're at the same events,

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.600
<v Speaker 3>and at that time I was deep party man. So

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing this motherfucker every two weeks. And so, long

0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.920
<v Speaker 3>story short, I remember when we finally, you know, got

0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.920
<v Speaker 3>to deal with Universal for our feature and Lars wrote

0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 3>that whack ass script and it was it was kind

0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 3>of here. Listen, let's at least clean. Don't clean up

0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 3>what I said. You can say something if you like,

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.440
<v Speaker 3>but that's script. Got a shelter.

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<v Speaker 1>Possible. But listen, no, let me say.

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.840
<v Speaker 3>A coupled with Kevin and uptown.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me say this, though you got executives and

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I know the guy working on that that wasn't pushing

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.959
<v Speaker 2>or promote the project at all, which is if our

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.600
<v Speaker 2>script was amazing, would we have not chased the guy.

0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to shamee a minute, but you got.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, it was meant to be. But I'm gonna talk

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.359
<v Speaker 3>about it, and that's why you want me on it. Okay, great,

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 3>So then we get this, we get this deal our script,

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.879
<v Speaker 3>and coupled with the fact that Kevin had announced uptown

0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Saturday night, it got super weird loosely based on the

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 3>same story, and so rival projects, all that rival projects,

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 3>all types of things will have amazing things happening and

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.920
<v Speaker 3>going on. So he didn't want to fight, right, so

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.800
<v Speaker 3>we got shoved. And you know, I remember in that

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.240
<v Speaker 3>process though, I was at the c I Double A.

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I ever told your story. I'm

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.360
<v Speaker 3>at CI Double A right now, mind you. In this process,

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.720
<v Speaker 3>you and I did right by Dallas. We got him

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.600
<v Speaker 3>a check, he got paid, he signed off on a

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 3>contract in that process, I know, I remember when the

0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.720
<v Speaker 3>announcement came out. I was at the c I Double

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 3>A and back to back phone calls. You will not

0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:36.159
<v Speaker 3>believe this. So I am literally about to go to

0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 3>an event by client BMW's downstairs to pick me up

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 3>in the new seventh series. I'm on my waist. I

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 3>get a call from a Dominican area code phone number. No,

0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 3>this is unbelievable. So I'm literally, you know, I'm in

0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.560
<v Speaker 3>love right now. We just had an announcement from Universal.

0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm like, I'm I'm a fucking executive producer, you know,

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 3>and I'm transferring all my energy into film and television.

0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.320
<v Speaker 3>And all of a sudden, I answered the phone because

0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I never answer numbers I don't know with me. So

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 3>I answer the phone and it's Haitian Jack. Now, ladies

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and gentlemen, this is a known gangster I'm talking about.

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 3>When you look at the two POC documentaries and see

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 3>what he got caught up in in the rape allegations

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.840
<v Speaker 3>and when he got shot, this man's name comes up

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, and I know him by the way

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 3>I know him, And so he's like, kidd, hey, how

0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:33.440
<v Speaker 3>you doing.

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:38.959
<v Speaker 5>I'm like Jack, He's like, yeah, man, I'm into Dominican.

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.399
<v Speaker 5>They won't let me back in the states Man. But

0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.640
<v Speaker 5>this motherfucker Dallas Austin called me and said, y'all.

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.879
<v Speaker 3>Got a problem. Now, mind you if you got a

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 3>call from Haitian Jack in the nineties, you got to

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.199
<v Speaker 3>pay right. And I'm like, I know this motherfucker Dallas

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.639
<v Speaker 3>that did not call Haitian Jack and say that I

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.639
<v Speaker 3>didn't do right by him, or whatever the case. I

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 3>don't even know why he called him. So immediately in

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 3>anybody who's ever been in the street, you have to

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of put your foot down immediately or they start

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 3>pressing harder. So I was like, look, man, you ain't

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.959
<v Speaker 3>calling me about no motherfucker shit. I handle because I

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 3>paid the man. He got paid. Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no. And I know Jack, So you know it

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<v Speaker 3>was it was either like he was gonna press me

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<v Speaker 3>if I was going to go for some money, or

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<v Speaker 3>he's gonna be like, you know, I need something, so

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<v Speaker 3>short enough. I was like, Jack, he got paid. Oh man, man,

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<v Speaker 3>fuck Dallas. You know I'm calling about my documentary. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you help me out with so flip the script same day,

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<v Speaker 3>get in the sties to go to I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think we did the event. I'm at Ruth Chris and

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<v Speaker 3>Tip cost me and so I'm like, this is a day,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what what the fuck is going on? He's like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't feel right, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was at that meeting with y'all, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know this movie's coming out and I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>part of it. It's Atlanta. I mean, I said, listen, bro,

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to listen to me because I just

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<v Speaker 3>had a phone call. I'm turned okay, I'm with the shits.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not really feeling all this energy because you know,

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.160
<v Speaker 3>you had nothing to do with this project, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know why you're calling me. I told

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<v Speaker 3>you I want you to be in the project. I

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<v Speaker 3>still want you to be in the project because at

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<v Speaker 3>this time we still had a feature coming. But I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what else you want from me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Tip is a very he has a lot of Puff

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<v Speaker 3>Daddy in him, as far as the way he could

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<v Speaker 3>Jedi mind trick you, you know what I mean, or

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<v Speaker 3>make you feel like we are one and we Atlanta

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<v Speaker 3>and we should be doing And I'm like, nigga, I

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<v Speaker 3>just told you that I don't. I don't. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>giving you shit. You don't deserve shit. You ain't do shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was to the point where He's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really like the way you're talking to me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, I don't know how to talk. I'm offended,

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<v Speaker 3>So let's just get off the phone. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about? Picked back up, won't you?

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<v Speaker 2>Calls Jack and trying to enjoy a day where you

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<v Speaker 2>got a couple of yeah and history wise. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I never talked to Tip. I mean I had heard

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<v Speaker 2>through one you know, phone call, but I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, seventeen years of me working.

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<v Speaker 3>But he tried it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I know of people that I talked to and work

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<v Speaker 1>with along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>It was you know, for me, it was uncomfortable because,

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<v Speaker 3>like I took a liking to you right at this time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first thing and I'm like, no, I know

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<v Speaker 3>who I've been talking to the whole time. I know

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<v Speaker 3>who I've been working through the process with. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was just uncomfortable because I feel like, you know, although

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<v Speaker 3>it would have been great for Tip to be in

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.160
<v Speaker 3>it and Dallas, if you'd have had your your rights,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd have been involved. But everybody who did something got paid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and those who did not we moved on. So needs

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<v Speaker 3>to say we didn't end up doing the feature.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get back.

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<v Speaker 2>But just one more thing about okay, so at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, we didn't get it. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>say this because this is public, okay, But in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle and for so somebody that is trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>such a huge project off the ground and going through

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<v Speaker 2>the business side of this for the first time before

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 2>you and I even meet. When Dallas has the option,

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 2>he gets busted over in Dubai for cocaine possession.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's cocaine possess. That's that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You listen if I'm saying that wrong, but if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, go back drug whatever, thank you, And it's public.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying on my side, like that's my

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<v Speaker 2>guy at the time. So I'm like, oh my god,

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>my project. Like he's trapped over there, You've got cinners.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, what's gonna again. I want him to

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<v Speaker 2>get out, you know, it's like I don't want it,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just thinking, like what's going to happen? So

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 2>fight night for months like sits because it's like we

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>don't have and then he comes back, Thank goodness, he's out.

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 2>He's back in the States again, and they he's got

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<v Speaker 2>like his team. They're trying to figure out, hey, we

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 2>may just want to buy this off Jeff, And they

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<v Speaker 2>at some point come to me, they say, hey, listen,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 2>how much to buy it out exactly? And whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>gave me was close. I almost sold, Like if they

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<v Speaker 2>would have made a legitimate offer, I mean back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you know, that kind of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you know, and I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, looking back finger, it's like, what's the whole Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, like it shows you how close like

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<v Speaker 2>buyouts can happen or things can turn. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just for people that are listening and how there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many ups and down.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of luck in all this.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of a lot and it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of timing, timing, and it's also to standing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>strong on what you believe. This project could.

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<v Speaker 2>Become a fucking turtle man, Like I'll know you are

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<v Speaker 2>like that race goes on the biggest budget TV hairs

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 2>passed the hair twenty times and I'm just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just go.

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<v Speaker 3>Here a superhero. I have to cut him off, y'all

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<v Speaker 3>because he just doesn't know how to celebrate himself. But

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<v Speaker 3>we have more a fight night to come.

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<v Speaker 1>From. iHeart Radio and Doghouse Pictures. This is fight Night.