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Speaker 1: From iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures. This is Fight Night. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jeff Keating.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Kenny back KB in the house. Finally, after

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Speaker 2: twenty years, we are on the mic together.

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Speaker 3: I'm believe incredible. Honestly, like twenty years of Fight Night.

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Speaker 3: In September fifth, we are going to be on Peacock's

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Speaker 3: sharing this amazing story with the world. How do you feel, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: Because this is a literal twenty year journey for you personally.

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Speaker 2: I've been asked that question a lot recently and honestly

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Speaker 2: just trying to get a grip on even how to answer.

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Speaker 2: So this is the best way I can describe it.

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Speaker 2: I feel at this point now like I was dating the.

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Speaker 1: Hot up and coming actress.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm just say the hot you know that that

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Speaker 2: knew that she was going to break out at some

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Speaker 2: point and one day she would be a star. And

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Speaker 2: now she's left me behind and it's oh no, yes, way,

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Speaker 2: And it's all too big for me now, Like I

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Speaker 2: feel like it's so big, like it's just surpassed me.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know what, it's ironic you say that because

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Speaker 3: the entire process, that's how you acted on set. But

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Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna go back, okay before we come forward,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna talk about how you heard about this

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Speaker 3: story originally, and you know, we'll get right into how

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Speaker 3: we met because you know you heard the story from

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Speaker 3: your dad, right yep, and talk about a little bit

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Speaker 3: for the newcomers because we have way more fans, yes,

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Speaker 3: ready for fight night September fifth, and we had when

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Speaker 3: we had the podcast.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we always want you to go

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Speaker 2: back and listen to the podcast which is on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: another platform platform.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: My dad and mom were in Atlanta back literally in

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixties and getting ready to leave on their second honeymoon.

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Speaker 2: So they had eloped to Italy, Wow, without telling any

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Speaker 2: of the fam. My Jewish grandmother, Elizabeth Hoffman, God Rest

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Speaker 2: her soul, said no, no, no, You're going to have a

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Speaker 2: wedding here in Nashville with all of our family. Ok

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Speaker 2: So they're basically coming off of that second wedding. They're

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta about to go back to Italy for another honeymoon,

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Speaker 2: and Ali's in town. Obviously will this come exactly So

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Speaker 2: the morning that they're leaving on the plane to go

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Speaker 2: to Italy. My dad remembers reading the article. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: that's how like in his mind this get captured. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to mom at some point, but she was working

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Speaker 2: obviously at the hotel, the High Regency, where all this,

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Speaker 2: you know, goes down.

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Speaker 3: And it was amazing, by the way, because we were

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Speaker 3: actually there when you first told me about the story

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Speaker 3: with your dad. We were literally at the hotel shooting night.

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Speaker 3: You know. It was the first time I heard you

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Speaker 3: tell that story. Yes, no, since I've known you. When

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Speaker 3: we were shooting fight night, right, like you told me

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Speaker 3: the story. We're in there, I'm like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you didn't know that part of it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't for some reason. And I'm like in there

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Speaker 3: and I'm feeling all the fields. I'm looking at you know,

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Speaker 3: Ory Harvey coming through in the white and I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 3: your dad like literally told you the story. So we

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Speaker 3: fast forward a little bit, right, you heard the story

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Speaker 3: from your dad. What age were you when you were like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I want to dig into this story?

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Speaker 2: Well that would have been so I started writing, you know,

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Speaker 2: After a couple of attempts just to you know, get

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Speaker 2: me the story. So it probably like he probably a

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Speaker 2: And as soon as I go to the library and

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Speaker 2: I turned to my dad and decater library and just say,

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Speaker 2: And that's where it kind of started. So the research

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Speaker 2: That spoiler alert somebody was still around, and getting that

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Speaker 1: I'm just giggling. I was like, oh my god, and

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Speaker 1: he's looking at me like I'm crazy.

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Speaker 2: So a few weeks later, we're calling churches around Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: We get Salem bapt In Church.

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Speaker 2: We find out that there's a Reverend Williams there, and

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Speaker 2: I get on the phone and I say, hey, is

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Speaker 2: you know Reverend Williams there today? I'd like to speak

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Speaker 2: to him. Comes to the phone, yes, and I basically say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I've been researching this story. Are you the Chicken Man

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Speaker 2: right now? What year is this again? Two thousand and three?

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Speaker 3: Okay, got it?

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Speaker 1: Boone goes dead. I'm telling you, Kenny.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like about a good ten seconds like there

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Speaker 2: was like do I even want to respond to this question?

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Speaker 2: And then ultimately you just hear, yes, son, I am

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Speaker 1: And then from.

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Speaker 3: because you got to imagine there was. They were enamored

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Speaker 3: because you'd already met jdep and now he confirms that

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Speaker 2: It's almost like this, It was really and just to

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Speaker 2: But it's like people are printing this that anybody just

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Speaker 3: So how did you wait? So you have this, this

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Speaker 3: He's a preacher. Yep. It just doesn't go together on

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Speaker 3: some levels when you're about to see this amazing, this

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. I never this is what's weird.

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Speaker 2: Talking, not at all. I always knew Reverend with this

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Speaker 2: is what's crazy. I only met Reverend Williams. I saw

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Speaker 2: Only a glint, a smile, a glint in his eye,

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Speaker 1: I met Rev and only met Rev.

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Speaker 2: So it's weird to hear about Chicken Man and other

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Speaker 3: Right, And then we are seeing, you know, fast forward

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Speaker 1: Hudson, Yes, and Cheetah.

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Speaker 3: I mean seeing him on set, seeing them both on set,

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Speaker 3: but you've now talked to them both, you're now in

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Speaker 3: process or so you get the life rights. We'll just

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Speaker 3: get to the life right. You get to the opportunity

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Speaker 3: But how does so So when when when rev Aka

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Speaker 3: Chicken Man sees JD, do you think they went immediately back.

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Speaker 2: To Oh you could tell. I mean, it was this friendship.

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Speaker 3: It was real. Long had they not seen each other a.

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Speaker 2: Decade at least since I got them on camera, and

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Speaker 2: Kind of them reminiscing and all of us that were there.

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Speaker 2: You know, I had some camera people, photographers, my mom,

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Speaker 1: Again go back and type. But even there, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: Right, he still was real. It was real. So this

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Speaker 3: is ironic, right, You witnessed history, right, because during this

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Speaker 3: time you're eager to tell the story. You don't know

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Speaker 3: what's going to happen? You know you're a part of

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Speaker 3: this magic right because you know? And how dare you

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Speaker 3: ask me to host the podcast, Ladies and gentlemen, for

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Speaker 3: those who are listening right now and have been on

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Speaker 3: this journey with the entire podcast. Jeff Keating actually asked

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Speaker 3: me to be the host of the Fight Night podcast,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, Jeff, how the fuck could I

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Speaker 3: tell the story better than you? And you like having

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Speaker 3: these moments, Jeff, this is why it's here. You did

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Speaker 3: the research, You were really on your journalism thing, you

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Speaker 2: You, If I'm not mistaken, it had gone through a second

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Speaker 4: And and they and so they basically connected you with

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Speaker 3: I had booked something with Kevin, okay, and I had

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Speaker 1: You either ran you were on a plane with him

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Speaker 3: Not you know, we were I mean, but this is

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Speaker 3: So after I know Will is excited about it. We've

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Speaker 3: and gentlemen, this is a known gangster I'm talking about.

434
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Speaker 3: When you look at the two POC documentaries and see

435
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: what he got caught up in in the rape allegations

436
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: and when he got shot, this man's name comes up

437
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, and I know him by the way

438
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: I know him, And so he's like, kidd, hey, how

439
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 3: you doing.

440
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 5: I'm like Jack, He's like, yeah, man, I'm into Dominican.

441
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 5: They won't let me back in the states Man. But

442
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 5: this motherfucker Dallas Austin called me and said, y'all.

443
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Speaker 3: Got a problem. Now, mind you if you got a

444
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: call from Haitian Jack in the nineties, you got to

445
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 3: pay right. And I'm like, I know this motherfucker Dallas

446
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: that did not call Haitian Jack and say that I

447
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 3: didn't do right by him, or whatever the case. I

448
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: don't even know why he called him. So immediately in

449
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: anybody who's ever been in the street, you have to

450
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 3: kind of put your foot down immediately or they start

451
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: pressing harder. So I was like, look, man, you ain't

452
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 3: calling me about no motherfucker shit. I handle because I

453
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 3: paid the man. He got paid. Oh no, no, no,

454
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: no no. And I know Jack, So you know it

455
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: was it was either like he was gonna press me

456
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: if I was going to go for some money, or

457
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: he's gonna be like, you know, I need something, so

458
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: short enough. I was like, Jack, he got paid. Oh man, man,

459
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: fuck Dallas. You know I'm calling about my documentary. Can

460
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: you help me out with so flip the script same day,

461
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 3: get in the sties to go to I mean, I

462
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: think we did the event. I'm at Ruth Chris and

463
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: Tip cost me and so I'm like, this is a day,

464
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: Like what what the fuck is going on? He's like, yeah, man,

465
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 3: I just don't feel right, you know what I'm saying, Like,

466
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, I was at that meeting with y'all, and

467
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: you know this movie's coming out and I'm not a

468
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 3: part of it. It's Atlanta. I mean, I said, listen, bro,

469
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: I need you to listen to me because I just

470
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: had a phone call. I'm turned okay, I'm with the shits.

471
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: I'm not really feeling all this energy because you know,

472
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: you had nothing to do with this project, so I don't.

473
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 3: I don't even know why you're calling me. I told

474
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: you I want you to be in the project. I

475
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: still want you to be in the project because at

476
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: this time we still had a feature coming. But I

477
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 3: don't know what else you want from me. And you know,

478
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: Tip is a very he has a lot of Puff

479
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: Daddy in him, as far as the way he could

480
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: Jedi mind trick you, you know what I mean, or

481
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: make you feel like we are one and we Atlanta

482
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: and we should be doing And I'm like, nigga, I

483
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: just told you that I don't. I don't. I'm not

484
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: giving you shit. You don't deserve shit. You ain't do shit.

485
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: And it was to the point where He's like, I

486
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: don't really like the way you're talking to me, and

487
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I don't know how to talk. I'm offended,

488
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 3: So let's just get off the phone. You know what

489
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: I'm talking about? Picked back up, won't you?

490
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: Calls Jack and trying to enjoy a day where you

491
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: got a couple of yeah and history wise. I mean

492
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: I never talked to Tip. I mean I had heard

493
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: through one you know, phone call, but I mean it's

494
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, seventeen years of me working.

495
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: But he tried it again.

496
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I know of people that I talked to and work

497
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: with along the way.

498
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 3: It was you know, for me, it was uncomfortable because,

499
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: like I took a liking to you right at this time.

500
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 3: It's the first thing and I'm like, no, I know

501
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: who I've been talking to the whole time. I know

502
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: who I've been working through the process with. And it

503
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: was just uncomfortable because I feel like, you know, although

504
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: it would have been great for Tip to be in

505
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: it and Dallas, if you'd have had your your rights,

506
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: you'd have been involved. But everybody who did something got paid. Yeah,

507
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: and those who did not we moved on. So needs

508
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: to say we didn't end up doing the feature.

509
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: And we'll get back.

510
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: But just one more thing about okay, so at the end,

511
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: first of all, we didn't get it. I got to

512
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: say this because this is public, okay, But in the

513
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: middle and for so somebody that is trying to get

514
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: such a huge project off the ground and going through

515
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: the business side of this for the first time before

516
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: you and I even meet. When Dallas has the option,

517
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: he gets busted over in Dubai for cocaine possession.

518
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: No, it's cocaine possess. That's that's what I'm saying.

519
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: You listen if I'm saying that wrong, but if I'm

520
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: not mistaken, go back drug whatever, thank you, And it's public.

521
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying on my side, like that's my

522
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: guy at the time. So I'm like, oh my god,

523
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: my project. Like he's trapped over there, You've got cinners.

524
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what's gonna again. I want him to

525
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: get out, you know, it's like I don't want it,

526
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: but I'm just thinking, like what's going to happen? So

527
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: fight night for months like sits because it's like we

528
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: don't have and then he comes back, Thank goodness, he's out.

529
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: He's back in the States again, and they he's got

530
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: like his team. They're trying to figure out, hey, we

531
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: may just want to buy this off Jeff, And they

532
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: at some point come to me, they say, hey, listen,

533
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: how much to buy it out exactly? And whatever they

534
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: gave me was close. I almost sold, Like if they

535
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: would have made a legitimate offer, I mean back in

536
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: the day, you know, that kind of money.

537
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: It's like you know, and I'm just like.

538
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, looking back finger, it's like, what's the whole Yeah,

539
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like it shows you how close like

540
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: buyouts can happen or things can turn. I mean, it's

541
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: just for people that are listening and how there's so

542
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: many ups and down.

543
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of luck in all this.

544
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot of a lot and it's a lot

545
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: of timing, timing, and it's also to standing, you know,

546
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: strong on what you believe. This project could.

547
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 2: Become a fucking turtle man, Like I'll know you are

548
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: like that race goes on the biggest budget TV hairs

549
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: passed the hair twenty times and I'm just like, I

550
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: just go.

551
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: Here a superhero. I have to cut him off, y'all

552
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: because he just doesn't know how to celebrate himself. But

553
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: we have more a fight night to come.

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Speaker 1: From. iHeart Radio and Doghouse Pictures. This is fight Night.