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Speaker 1: D audio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey for

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Speaker 1: and and are you are? And and where are you?

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Speaker 1: And and and and yeah, and we're where are you?

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Speaker 1: H ahead? No? No, no, no no no add and here, Jeremy,

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Speaker 1: oh dare me over here? Man? Right here? Where where

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Speaker 1: I'm stuck? Oh god, I didn't see it in the dark.

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Speaker 1: Are you hurt? No? Just a little bruised. That's the nature.

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Speaker 1: Come on, help me up. Okay, okay, fine, fine, it's

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Speaker 1: just a little wet, stupid swamp. What the hell happened?

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Speaker 1: I just I could and see in the dark, put

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Speaker 1: my foot down in the wrong place and just went down.

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Speaker 1: Where is this a sick hoole or an animals end

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, come on, it wasn't a deer

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Speaker 1: that slammed into us, Jeremy, there's somebody. What the I

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Speaker 1: don't know? Come on, m oh my god, it's the gathering.

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Speaker 1: So Olivia was right, Well, come on, let's go talk

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Speaker 1: to them. Don't move their hands. M hmm, that so harmless.

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Speaker 1: After all, where aren't they back yere? Wheren't they back yet?

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Speaker 1: Are yet? Chill man? They'll be fine and is a badass.

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Speaker 1: A couple of Manson family want to bees, are not

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Speaker 1: going to scare her. Okay, last I checked, the Manson

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Speaker 1: family murdered a bunch of people. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: The gathering is a bunch of whack jobs. You have

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Speaker 1: nothing better to do than spout nonsense and stand in

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Speaker 1: circles singing Kumbaya because you're such an expert by now

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Speaker 1: I am. I have spent the last hour and a

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Speaker 1: half reading about them online. What how No, No, that's

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Speaker 1: not possible. I searched every conceivable database trying to find

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Speaker 1: reference to them and have come up with basically nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's because you're looking at all that. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: legal places, something like that. Anyway, while you've been sitting

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Speaker 1: there with your cute little papers, you think you think

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Speaker 1: my papers are cute, I have been trawling every single

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Speaker 1: board and form popular with cultists. Oh, I've been reading

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Speaker 1: police files for your information. There's plenty of stuff in

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Speaker 1: there that's useful. Oh yeah, like what like like like

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Speaker 1: did you know that the gathering had an extremist offshoot

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Speaker 1: called the Children of Tichiva. Yeah, yep, I found them too. Really,

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Speaker 1: I've only been able to find one or two references

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Speaker 1: in the period research I've done. After the mid eighties,

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Speaker 1: there's no trace. But but you've found something in the

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Speaker 1: past two hours. Are you kidding? A fringe black magic

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Speaker 1: cult that believes in human sacrifice? That is internet catinet.

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Speaker 1: What are they saying? It's Latin? I'm pretty sure. Do

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Speaker 1: you speak Latin? No? One speaks Latin and no, so

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Speaker 1: you don't know what they're saying. No, but neither do

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Speaker 1: you da? What the hell? What are they trying to

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Speaker 1: do it? Who cares? They have a six ft bonfire

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Speaker 1: in the middle of protected wetlands. Jeremy, did you did

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Speaker 1: you see that? Just see what in the fire? What

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Speaker 1: are they doing? They're heating their blades, change and change,

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Speaker 1: and they're coming toward us. Wait wait, wait, so are

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Speaker 1: you saying that the Children of Titchuba still exist? No? Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: it seems like the gathering excommunicated those members. For lack

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Speaker 1: so interested in human sacrifice and realized how racist and

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Speaker 1: trial thing. Yeah, Titchuba was the first one to be

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Speaker 1: was enslaved and abused and scapegoaded and jailed, and we

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Speaker 1: don't even know how she died. And for a bunch

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Speaker 1: insulting and just playing wrong. Wow. That was Have you

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Speaker 1: been sitting here keeping that in for the past hour?

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Speaker 1: It drives me not it's probably a bunch of rich

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Speaker 1: because I mean, they clearly knew a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Why are you defending them? No, No, I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from completely. My heritage has

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Speaker 1: children of Chichiba were, they were clearly familiar with at

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Speaker 1: least basic Salem history. And we're trying to accomplish something

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Speaker 1: by invoking Tichiba's name. That's what I'm interested in. History

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Speaker 1: is written by the victors, which is why the Salem

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Speaker 1: Witches are still so maligned and misunderstood. Well, I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad all that suffering can be your academic interest. It's

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Speaker 1: even attempt to understand the nuances of it. Instead, the

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Speaker 1: Why why not just study history then help people understand

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Speaker 1: do that. There's a reason the weird, incorrect legends survive.

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Speaker 1: They're easier to digest, more interesting to engage in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but as far as I'm concerned, Oh thank god, Hey,

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Speaker 1: where the hell have you guys been? And why are

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Speaker 1: you covered in dirt? Um? We found the gathering? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they've what challenged you to a mud wrestling contest?

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Speaker 1: I don't think we would have one, considering they had

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Speaker 1: very big, scalding hot knives on them. Knives. Yeah, are

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Speaker 1: you guys okay? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we're fine. We

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Speaker 1: got out of there really quick. Why you didn't stay

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Speaker 1: and talk to them, Well, we didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: a good idea, with being armed in us having recently

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Speaker 1: fallen down a lot, but we know that it is

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Speaker 1: not our only chance. What do you mean the leader?

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Speaker 1: I know her, Olivia. I'm gonna need you to find

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Speaker 1: an address. Look, I'm just saying that if you spend

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Speaker 1: all your time focusing on the legends, I think you're

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Speaker 1: really missing the point of it all. Oh, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people ratshaw. Yeah, I think we should

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Speaker 1: talk about what we saw. Isn't that what we've been

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Speaker 1: doing now? You know what I mean? Not the gathering,

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Speaker 1: not the knives, the fire. What about the fire. I

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Speaker 1: know you saw it too. I could see the look

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Speaker 1: on your face. I was watching a cult have a

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Speaker 1: secret ceremony. I can't even imagine what my face was doing. No, No,

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Speaker 1: I saw you and you saw the symbols in the flames.

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Speaker 1: They were the same ones that we saw on the rock.

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Speaker 1: But that sounds like a trick of the light, and

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Speaker 1: not to mention, we both bumped our heads. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and what about that huh? Who was in the woods

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Speaker 1: with us? All the gathering members? You know they were

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Speaker 1: like no, no more like the shadow was chasing us,

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Speaker 1: I think, and it was an animal. Why did you

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Speaker 1: call up for your dad? What I heard you? I

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, Jeremy, you're ready

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Speaker 1: to go? Yeah? One sec? Well, anyway, things, why you

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Speaker 1: do debate? Sure thing, I'll see you around yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: see him monday, Okay, you will? I mean yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think we should go talk to Celeste together, right, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree? Okay? Good? Hey and Anne, thank you for

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Speaker 1: what you really kept your cool tonight. That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm not some shrinking violet Bradshaw. That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I know. Look, it's not what I do. I was terrified,

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Speaker 1: and even with all the insanity and being chased through

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Speaker 1: just thank you. Well, you're welcome. So now can you

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Speaker 1: agree that you need to listen to me about all

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Speaker 1: of it? I think I think what we both need

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Speaker 1: is a good night's sleep. Sleep isn't going to make

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Speaker 1: this go away, Bradshaw, Well, it's worth a try. Have

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Speaker 1: a good night, Annah? Yeah, yeah, why are yet? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It kind of looks like your place. What do you mean,

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Speaker 1: secluded near the woods, a bit of a creepy hermit vibe.

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Speaker 1: My house doesn't have a creepy hermit vibe. Well, you

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Speaker 1: don't have any neighbors, Anne, and it's not like we

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Speaker 1: look to final places secluded his years. Oh well, at

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Speaker 1: least I don't have wind chimes. I mean, how much

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Speaker 1: more cliche can you get? She's definitely got a very

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Speaker 1: neighborhood witch feeling going here. Yeah. Hey, don't you think

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Speaker 1: we should bringing in the police on this because you

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Speaker 1: think they would listen? I just think I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We were almost attacked by burning knives last night and

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Speaker 1: this woman was at the center of it. She's not dangerous.

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Speaker 1: How do you know? I interviewed her and I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: good at reading people from you know, my decades in

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Speaker 1: the police force. But you interviewed her forty years ago.

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Speaker 1: I think it's likely that things have changed since then. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people don't change. Do you think she's going to remember you?

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Yes,

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Speaker 1: how may I help you? Sorry to bother you, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jeremy Bradshaw is an beer. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: remember you, my How we've aged well? I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but I'm feeling pretty spry, almost like I

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Would you like to come in? Thank you

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Speaker 1: for the tea. It's very that's unique my own blend.

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Speaker 1: You don't want any, Miss Becker. I don't typically drink

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Speaker 1: homemade bruise given to me by cultists. Yes, let's not

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Speaker 1: skate around while you're here. You said you came across

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Speaker 1: our little meeting last night. Yes, sorry to be so blunt.

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Speaker 1: You weren't supposed to to see that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it lived up to your expectations, Miss Becker. From

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Speaker 1: you barely told me anything about the gathering. You were

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Speaker 1: a potential witness to a crime. Come now, you didn't

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Speaker 1: actually believe that everyone else did, but you knew, you

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Speaker 1: knew that the gathering had nothing to do with any

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Speaker 1: of the dark happenings in Bridgewater at that time. You

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Speaker 1: knew we weren't Satanists. We still aren't. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're not messing with things that you shouldn't be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what exactly were you trying to invoke last night? We

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Speaker 1: were trying to speak to the other side? What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Do you know what hawk a mock swamp means?

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Speaker 1: And wappa knock the place where spirits d well. You see,

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Speaker 1: I'm like you, I actually have family members who are

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Speaker 1: wamping up. Don't presume to know my heritage, Miss Becker.

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Speaker 1: Is that why you were there? Because you believe there

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Speaker 1: are spirits? Hacka mock Swamp is just one of several

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Speaker 1: places we meet. I can't divulge the other locations free

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Speaker 1: times day for us, maybe Dighton Rock. I couldn't say

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Speaker 1: this entire area is ripe for communication. The veil is

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Speaker 1: thin here again? What does that mean? The Bridgewater Triangle,

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Speaker 1: a portal between worlds that attracts creatures of all sorts

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Speaker 1: looking to get to the other side, the other side. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what what is the other side? Well, it's the side

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Speaker 1: that isn't this one, okay? Meaning meaning what exactly? The

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Speaker 1: other side is many things, too many people. For some,

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Speaker 1: it's a demon realm, a place of fire and malice

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Speaker 1: and great and terrible power. Those are the groups that

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Speaker 1: everyone has always been afraid of, Like the children of Tichuma. Yes,

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Speaker 1: those awful people. I thought that they were part of

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Speaker 1: days ago. Bridgewater was created by Aaron Mankey and written

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Speaker 1: Melissa Ponzio as An Becker, Karen Sony as Vipen Corona,

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Speaker 1: with additional voice acting by Brigand Snow, Andrew Nowak, Julia Maurizawa,

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