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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We still have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have Bristol? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: good stuff to get to. But first of all, of

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Speaker 1: all soccer. How are you feeling this morning? I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: a little bit better. So if anybody who missed it,

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Speaker 1: I've got the big one nine, the COVID nineteen, the

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Speaker 1: Delta variant. It got me finally found me in my house.

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Speaker 1: But I think I am finally on the men Crystal.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm hoping. I think tomorrow hopefully i'll be

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Speaker 1: little bit of crazy year. Yeah, it'd definitely be nice

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Speaker 1: but more importantly, it would be nice for you to

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Speaker 1: In the show today, we have an update on what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Afghanistan. Lots of people being evacuated over

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, major uptick there. We have

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Speaker 1: We'll show you that in a moment. Dev's in disarray

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Speaker 1: for real this time. Break down all the details about

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Speaker 1: the now ten corporatives who are standing in the way

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Speaker 1: of getting anything accomplished, the infrastructure deal or the reconciliation package.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Andrew Cuomo is no longer the governor

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Speaker 1: of New York. It is official. We've got a fantastic

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Speaker 1: that really is a jump ball at this point, and

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with a major development on the vaccine front. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the vaccine got big news yesterday with the Pfizer vaccine

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Speaker 1: receiving full FDA approval. The President announced it at the

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Speaker 1: So let me say this loudly and clearly. If you

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Speaker 1: it has now happened. The moment you've been waiting for us,

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Speaker 1: Get it today today. So that's a very important milestone there, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: because the full FDA approval was actually cited by multiple

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Speaker 1: what made them feel uncomfortable. Ultimately, the FDA did accomplish

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Speaker 1: So because you have these two principles, frankly, it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: of we have a First Amendment in Australia. In Great Britain,

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Speaker 1: as we found out during the whole Piers Morgan thing,

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Speaker 1: they can actually censor the media with whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: They could say, oh, you're you know, issuing damaging information.

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Speaker 1: That's really how you see the media become an almost

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Speaker 1: totally complete arm of the state whenever it comes to

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Speaker 1: these draconian measures. And you know, we're all just watching

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Speaker 1: this with horror. I don't even know how this could

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Speaker 1: possibly happen in a Western country, but it's bringing out

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Speaker 1: the true colors and a lot of people, well there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to say there. First of all, part of

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Speaker 1: why this is important for an American audience is that

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Speaker 1: that type of media censorship is something that a lot

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Speaker 1: of liberals have gotten behind. They would like to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, they would like to see the US government

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Speaker 1: have more of those powers of censorship and use them

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Speaker 1: against media outlets, which, as you said, the inevitable byproducts

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Speaker 1: of that, as you have effectively State TV, which in

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Speaker 1: some ways you already have. But that's why their own choice,

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Speaker 1: apparently and by what they believe the profit motive dictates

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Speaker 1: to them. The other thing is that it reminds me

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Speaker 1: very much of the sort of draconian measures that were

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Speaker 1: taken by places like China early in the pandemic. So

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, a government that supposedly is, you know,

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Speaker 1: a free and open to minemocracy engaging in these sorts

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Speaker 1: of authoritarian tactics is quite shocking. I think it's also

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Speaker 1: important to remind people that Australia's vaccination rate is extremely low.

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Speaker 1: I think the last number I saw was something like

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Speaker 1: thirty percent. They've said they want to get it to

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Speaker 1: seventy percent. Seventy percent before they lift the lockdown. That's

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Speaker 1: a long way to go, and so it's going to

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Speaker 1: take a lot of time before they achieve anything approaching

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Speaker 1: seventy percent. Then you got to asked, okay, well does

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Speaker 1: that that include you have to have had your booster shot.

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Speaker 1: Where does it ultimately end? And the reason that the

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Speaker 1: vaccination rate was so low, part of it is because

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Speaker 1: Australia before now they really hadn't had an issue. While

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Speaker 1: we were all lockdown, they were fine. They had you know,

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Speaker 1: almost completely shut down their borders and sort of self quarantined.

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Speaker 1: They're on the continent and they were able to keep

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Speaker 1: any sort of spread at Bay Delta has really changed

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Speaker 1: the game for them. But because they had gotten off

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Speaker 1: Scott Free for is that racist to say? Is that problematic? No,

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Speaker 1: we're anyway, okay, anyway, since they've done up Scott Free.

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Speaker 1: Up until this point, there was kind of a lax

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Speaker 1: attitude around the public. But then the leadership also said

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Speaker 1: it's not a race to get the vaccinations done, So

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Speaker 1: there was a laxa basical attitude among the you know,

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Speaker 1: top elites in public officials as well. So plenty of

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Speaker 1: blame there for the elite class in Australia. And it's

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Speaker 1: an incredibly dystopian and disturbing scene to watch unfolding from

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Speaker 1: a bar. Yeah, it's it's absolutely terrible what we're saying.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's a very good point about the

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Speaker 1: vaccinations and more and exactly. You know, I just I

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Speaker 1: just hope that they get out of this thing sometime soon,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody deserves to be treated that way. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com, which you can click on in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. But Christal, I know you got your eye

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Speaker 1: on some absolute madness here in Washington. So I've also

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Speaker 1: been texting you. I'll be like, I don't understand what

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Speaker 1: the hell is going on here? Well, it's it's complicated,

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Speaker 1: and it's not Let me start with the bottom line,

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Speaker 1: which is that you have ten assholes, corporatists sort of

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Speaker 1: bought off members of the Democratic Caucus who've decided to

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Speaker 1: throw a real wrench in the plans to pass the

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation package that, of course Bernie's been working on, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately the Infrastructure bill as well. So here's the backstory.

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Speaker 1: Some of you guys know these details, but effectively, what

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Speaker 1: Pelosi and Bernie agreed to is to tie the bipartisan

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Speaker 1: infrastructure package that the moderates like with the larger reconciliation

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Speaker 1: package that you know most of the caucus and Biden

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Speaker 1: and the proccessives like. To tie those things together so

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Speaker 1: that you could make sure both pass. By doing that,

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Speaker 1: you get progressives to vote for the infrastructure bill and

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Speaker 1: you get moderates hopefully to vote for the reconciliation package.

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Speaker 1: So that's been the plan all along. They went to

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Speaker 1: the Democrats to pass a rule in the House which

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Speaker 1: would set up that process, which would say, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: moving forward with the reconciliation process, and we're setting up

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Speaker 1: these votes down the road, and you had these It

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Speaker 1: was originally nine and now it's ten. Corporate type Democrats

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Speaker 1: suddenly dig in their heels and say, no, we're demanding

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Speaker 1: that we immediately vote on the infrastructure bill, and we're

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Speaker 1: not moving forward with any of this until we get

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Speaker 1: a scheduled immediate vote on that package. So we can

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Speaker 1: throw this tear sheet up on the screen. From the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, the original nine wrote this up ed saying, look,

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Speaker 1: let's do infrastructure first. They write We are firmly opposed

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Speaker 1: to holding the President's infrastructure legislation hostage to reconciliation, risking

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Speaker 1: its package and the bipartisan support behind it. We can

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Speaker 1: walk into gum just as the Senate did. We can

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Speaker 1: pass infrastructure measure now and then quickly consider reconciliation and

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Speaker 1: the policies from climate to healthcare to universal pre k

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Speaker 1: that we believe are critical. So again, that would blow

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Speaker 1: up this entire process. Because progressives have said, and this

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Speaker 1: is what center standers said to me when we spoke,

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Speaker 1: they're not going along with the infrastructure package unless it's

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Speaker 1: tied together with the reconciliation package. The moderates want to

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Speaker 1: vote for the infrastructure package and then be able to

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Speaker 1: hack away at the reconciliation package. As of today, they're

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Speaker 1: at a complete impasse. They met for a long time

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Speaker 1: last night. Pelosi was trying to sort of strong arm

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Speaker 1: them into going along with this rule that would set

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Speaker 1: up this entire process, and ultimately she was unable to

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Speaker 1: get the votes to be able to do that. My

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Speaker 1: understanding is that they're going to try again today. A

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Speaker 1: couple other things to throw into the mix. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema is also continuing to be a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass. She has said that she does not support

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Speaker 1: and I think we have this in a tweet through

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Speaker 1: a spokesperson, she said that she does not support the

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Speaker 1: three and a half trillion Here's what the spokesman said.

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Speaker 1: Proceedings in the US House will have no impact on

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Speaker 1: Kirsten's views. She will not support a budget reconciliation bill

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Speaker 1: that costs three and a half trillion dollars. And the

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Speaker 1: one other piece of context here that we can throw

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Speaker 1: into the mix, great reporting from the folks over at

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Speaker 1: Daily Poster David Serota's outlet showing that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: these nine House Dems threatening to kill their party's budget

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Speaker 1: have raped in three million dollars from donors in the

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Speaker 1: pharma and fossil fuel industries, which just so happens to

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Speaker 1: be the industries targeted by that bill. So if you

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Speaker 1: are wondering why they are going so hard to try

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Speaker 1: to destroy the process to get this reconciliation package, this

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Speaker 1: will give you a good hint as to what their

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Speaker 1: actual priority priorities are. Yeah, and I asked around. I

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Speaker 1: called some of my friends who all work in the business,

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Speaker 1: and they described it almost exactly as you said, really

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Speaker 1: what it is and this is the best analysis that

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Speaker 1: I heard, so I share it with all of you,

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Speaker 1: which is that it's a trust deficit, which is that

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Speaker 1: the moderates basically they do not want to vote for

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Speaker 1: that three point five trillion dollar bill period. Their baby

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Speaker 1: is the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which was passed with Republican support.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mitch McConnell and all them voted for it

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. They just want to clear that win

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Speaker 1: and that's it. They never really wanted to vote for

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Speaker 1: Bernie's infrastructure for Bernie's budget bill. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: the Progressives, as you say, they are not happy with

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Speaker 1: a bipartisan infrastructure bill. Their baby is the Bernie budget bill,

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Speaker 1: So they say, we're not voting for this infrastructure thing,

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Speaker 1: undus we get the budget. But this is also a

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Speaker 1: very interesting concept except the power Crystal, And this was

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Speaker 1: a point that I'm curious for your perspective on, which

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Speaker 1: is that you know, these moderates, these ten people that

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Speaker 1: has now come out, have effectively held this entire thing hostage.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea what type of deal that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get. Now. The current scuttle butt in DC

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Speaker 1: is that they're likely to accept in October first deadline

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Speaker 1: for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, as in, we will have

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Speaker 1: a vote by October first. But what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: That means today it's August twenty fourth, that you only

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Speaker 1: have five weeks in order to negotiate the entire budget bill,

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Speaker 1: which actually gives a ton of leverage to Joe Mansion,

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Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema and the moderates in the House in order

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Speaker 1: to chip away at everything in the bill that they

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Speaker 1: find objectionable. And they will say, here's all the parts.

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Speaker 1: You set October first, take it or leave it, effectively

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Speaker 1: holding it hostage. So in one way, I got a

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Speaker 1: handed to him. This is extreme mastery of how to

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Speaker 1: use a narrow margin in the House of Representatives and

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00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: an intracoccus fight in order to set yourself up for

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Speaker 1: victory both ways. Because it one way, if they only

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Speaker 1: get the bipartisan Infrastructure bill, they win because many Republicans

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Speaker 1: would vote for it if it came to the floor,

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Speaker 1: and they could kill the budget bill. And if they

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Speaker 1: don't they get the October first one, then Joe Manchin

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Speaker 1: and Kirsten Cinema have the time deadline and can say, look, guys,

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Speaker 1: October First, you guys want it, you got to accept

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Speaker 1: every single thing that I demand, and they'll cut out

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Speaker 1: many of the parts of the bill that they don't like.

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening, and I know this may sound

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Speaker 1: a little bit complicated, this is how the sausage is made.

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Speaker 1: It's my real legislators who are willing to step up.

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Speaker 1: And I think Crystal, people who share your politics might

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Speaker 1: ask a good question, when is the last time that

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Speaker 1: some House like progressives ever leveraged power in a pretty

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Speaker 1: expert way? Actually counter sager that in this instance they

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Speaker 1: kind of have because they cut I mean they have.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird dynamic. But Nancy Pelosi is actually leveraging

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Speaker 1: and the White House leveraging hardball tactics on behalf of

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Speaker 1: what progressives want here, which is a very weird dynamic. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's one. There's a little bit of reporting out there

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Speaker 1: saying this is from Julie Grace Bruffkey, who she wished

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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill reporter. She says she's brighteart, so keep this

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Speaker 1: major grain of salt, major grain of salt. However, there's

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Speaker 1: reports of one of the nine moderate Dems told GOP

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Speaker 1: members if they don't support the budget. There are threats

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Speaker 1: to ruin his district during the redistricting process and fire

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Speaker 1: a member's relative that works at the White House, and

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton also called to pressure them to support it.

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Speaker 1: And if that is in fact true, big if I

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Speaker 1: fully support that type of politics, because ultimately you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the entire agenda here. I mean, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: universal pre K, you're talking about affordable childcare, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about two years of community college, you're talking about any

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Speaker 1: sort of climate provisions. There's effectively nothing on climate in

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure bill. So whatever hardball tactics Pelosi and Biden

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Speaker 1: and Clyburne at all have up their sleeve, I do

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Speaker 1: think they are bringing to bear on these moderates. The

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Speaker 1: question for me is whether whether these moderates really truly

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Speaker 1: oppose a big reconciliation package and are really prepared to

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Speaker 1: take the hard line track that you're floating here, or

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Speaker 1: whether they're mostly just posturing both for their problem solver

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Speaker 1: brand but also for their donors, who they've taken a

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Speaker 1: bunch of campaign cash for. I think it remains to

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Speaker 1: be seen how hard of a line they're ultimately willing

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Speaker 1: to draw here because they will draw the ire of

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Speaker 1: the entire democratic establishment in a way that normally is

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Speaker 1: used against the left of the party. And these are

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Speaker 1: people who are close to leadership. Some of these people.

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Speaker 1: In fact, this is another important point, Some of these

647
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: people have their jobs still because the democratic establishment intervene

648
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: on their behalf in democratic primaries. Every Quaar is a

649
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: perfect example of that. Narrowly, narrowly squeaked by and won

650
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: his seat with a strong challenge from j Justiceisnarisu, by

651
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: the ways, running again. Pelosi and all these people came

652
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: to his rescue and backed him, only to now watch

653
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: him float potentially sabotaging the entire process that's been set

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Speaker 1: up here and anything anything happening in the remainder of

655
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration. So I think tremendous pressure is going

656
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: to be brought to bear on them. I think, ultimately,

657
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, there is going to be

658
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: some kind of process that moves forward where they get

659
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: some kind of face saving gesture so they can go

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00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: to their donors or go to their district and say, look,

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Speaker 1: I stood up against democratic leadership. I have it hard.

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that this group, which

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00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: is typically basically like establishment shills are really going to

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Speaker 1: stand up to the Biden White House and the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic establishment in that way, I think you're

666
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: probably right and it is true, which is that the

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00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: pressure that is being brought to bear. And why it's

668
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: interesting is that this is the actual Biden agenda. This

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Speaker 1: is it for Biden. There's nothing else his legacy after this.

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Speaker 1: It's this bill. It's going to be Afghanistan, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be the American Rescue Package which you passed

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Speaker 1: in the first couple of months. It's over, I mean

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Speaker 1: effectively in terms of your presidency, given the legislative Hyjens.

674
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Speaker 1: And look, given what we know about how the midterms

675
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: are very likely to go. So from that perspective, the

676
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: White House is basically bringing all the power that they

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Speaker 1: have in order to try and force this. So I

678
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: think you're probably right, which is that at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, you know, the leader of this group,

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Speaker 1: Josh Gotttheimer, Biden won his district by six points, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like he isn't a very popular and

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Speaker 1: in that district, and there is likely to be some deal.

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Speaker 1: I am very curious though, about they have held out much.

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Speaker 1: They have held out much longer and for much more

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Speaker 1: than I actually thought. You know, I thought they were

686
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Speaker 1: going to fold a couple of days more before they did,

687
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Speaker 1: and they ultimately would vote for the passage. But I guess,

688
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: you know what is twenty four hours. We'll see who

689
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: can extract what. But this is high level, you know,

690
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Washington stuff, which does really matter for the folks who

691
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: are watching or listening at home in terms of how

692
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: this stuff actually moves through the Congress. Well, and it

693
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: really matters in terms of I mean, there are provisions

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Speaker 1: in the reconciliation package that would really profoundly impact people's lives.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about expanding Medicare to include vision and

696
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Speaker 1: hearing and dental. We're talking about potentially lowering the Medicare age.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about all your kids being able to go

698
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: to preschool for free, all your kids being able to

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Speaker 1: go to community college for free, child tax credit getting extended,

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00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: not to mention, you know, trying to take some steps

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Speaker 1: to avert the worst of the climate crisis. So there's real, immediate,

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Speaker 1: tangible benefits that are being held hostage here. I also

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Speaker 1: one last note, which is I think really important. Imagine

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Speaker 1: if it was AOC and the squad and Bernie Sanders

705
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: who were holding the entirety of the Biden administration agenda hostage,

706
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Speaker 1: the media would be losing their minds right, completely demonizing,

707
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: completely demonizing these people. And there's barely been any coverage

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00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, it's been pretty quiet, and there

709
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: is a lot at stake here. And I also want

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Speaker 1: to say that, you know, a lot of left to

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00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: YouTubers haven't had much to say about it either, because

712
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Speaker 1: you end up in the unusual position of, you know,

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Speaker 1: supporting something Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden want, and there

714
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Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are committed to you know,

715
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Speaker 1: no matter what it is, even when a broken clock

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Speaker 1: is right twice a day. I can never say anything

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00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: that supports any item of their agenda because then I'm

718
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Speaker 1: a sellan and I think that's ridiculous too. Look, getting

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Speaker 1: this package through, is it everything that I want? Know?

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Speaker 1: Is there fifteen dollar minimum wage in it? No? Are

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Speaker 1: there other things that I would want to see? What

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Speaker 1: I want to see medicare for all? Would I want

723
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Speaker 1: to see that age expanded even more downward than what

724
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: they're on? Love course, but there are real tangible things

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00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: in here that would make a noticeable difference and impact

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00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: on people's lives right away. And if you don't, if

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Speaker 1: you aren't concerned with that, and if you don't know

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Speaker 1: where you stand on that, then I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: your politics ultimately are all about. Yeah. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a very good point. There is a big difference between

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Speaker 1: posturing and actually playing in politics, and so that's what

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Speaker 1: I think we should see. Okay, speaking pasturing, Governor Cuomo

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Speaker 1: is no longer he is now former Governor Cuomo. As

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Speaker 1: of midnight, his former lieutenant Governor Kathy Hochel is now

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Speaker 1: Governor of New York. Cuomo delivered quite the classic Cuomo

736
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Speaker 1: farewell addressed yesterday, or of course, he praised his own comments.

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Speaker 1: He made sure to take some shots at the left

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Speaker 1: in there just for good measure. He even soger and

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Speaker 1: you would have appreciated this. He went on a relatively

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00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: lengthy diatribe about the salt tax, got that into the

741
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: farewell address as well, and of course had to in

742
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: classic fashion, pat himself on the back for his magnificent

743
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: coronavirus handling. Let's take a listen to that, please, don't

744
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: forget what we learned together last year, and don't forget

745
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: what we accomplished. We went from the highest infection rate

746
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Speaker 1: in the nation to the lowest. We did what no

747
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: one thought could be done. Why because when the rest

748
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: of the nation put their head in the sand and

749
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: denied science and played politics, we faced up to the

750
00:42:51,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: facts and we made the tough but necessary decisions. Somethink

751
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: of this coronavirus handling Zager, that is that makes me

752
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: so angry because even on his way out, he still

753
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: has to lie about his own administration, which did all

754
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: of the nefarious things which the media was accusing other

755
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: governors of doing. They actually covered up debts. They actually

756
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: covered up their own culpable actions which led to the

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00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: debts of thousands of nursing home patients. They lied to

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Speaker 1: the federal government, They obfuscated to the public, They lied

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00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: to the media. I mean, they wrote a book in

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Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty, you know, patting themselves on the

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Speaker 1: back after holding these triumphant press conferences when they were

762
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: actually the worst in the nation in terms of the

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00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: way that they were handling this crisis. And so even

764
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: on the way out, the revisionist history, and that's part

765
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: of the thing that you know, just sticks in my

766
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: craw over this entire situation. Look, is it good that

767
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: he's gone. Yes, it's some final accountability, but he should

768
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: have been gone many many months ago. Assemblyman Ron Kim,

769
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: who really is the person who's been at this forefront

770
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, was calling him out about nursing

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00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: homes back in April of twenty twenty. And then you know,

772
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: when the me too stuff all comes through the fore

773
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: that's what he starts to get investigated for. And that's

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Speaker 1: ultimately what brought him down. And I'm not erasing the

775
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: experience of many women, and I certainly think that he

776
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: was an absolute creep in the way that he handled himself,

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00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: especially with that female trooper. That's the one that will

778
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: always stick with me. However, in terms of the actual

779
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: conduct that he displayed in office, what he did with

780
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: his handling of coronavirus was the worst offense possible, and

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00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: the media just didn't. They gave him a pass. At

782
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he got a real pass.

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00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: That's the worst parting. The only thing they knew how

784
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: to cover was the me too stuff, And like you said,

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00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: that's not like it was enough. I mean, if that

786
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: was the only thing he did wrong, in my opinion,

787
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: that was enough for him to have to go. But

788
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: by ignoring all of the rest of the many acts

789
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: of corruption, indifference, callous, just horrific decision making that led

790
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: to loss of lives, covering up the numbers, lying to

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00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: the public about how bad things were in nursing homes

792
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: and in the state writ large. The fact that that

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00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: didn't garner coverage, and that that wasn't enough for the

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00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: media to put pressure on him ultimately to go means

795
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Speaker 1: that he's able to deliver this little speech with a

796
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: straight face about how magnificent his coronavirus handling ultimately was

797
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: because the media did not do the job of educating

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00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: the public on what an absurd, catastrophic lie that ultimately is.

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Speaker 1: So look, will he be able to make a political

800
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: come who knows? Who knows? But by failing to educate

801
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: people about his most egregious crimes when he was governor,

802
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: they leave that little crack of a door open for

803
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: him to come back and say, I've changed, I know

804
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: now not to be so handsy. Forgive me, I'm just

805
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: Italian and don't you want me back in the governor's

806
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: mansion where I was so competent and so effective that

807
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: I won an Emmy Award. So there's a real cost.

808
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: There's a real cost of the fact that the media

809
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: ignored all of those crimes. And we will recall the

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00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: media's coverage of Governor Cuomo that helped build him up

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Speaker 1: into this national celebrity. He was the good guy and

812
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Trump was the bad guy, and they really leaned into

813
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: this narrative. So with him now officially out the door,

814
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: we wanted to roll the tape one more time for

815
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: old time's sake of how the media but clowned themselves

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00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: with this guy. David, we're sending by for Governor Cuomo's

817
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: press conference is daily briefing. How would you contrast Cuomo

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00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: and President Trump's handling the crisis, truth versus mendacity. Governor

819
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: Cuomo out there day after day after day. Everything Trump

820
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: isn't honest, direct, brave, real leadership of the kind of

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Speaker 1: President of the United States should have provided. Governor Cuomo

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Speaker 1: is clearly living in a totally different reality, the actual one,

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Speaker 1: than the President of the United States. Governor Cuomo has

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Speaker 1: become a national leader for a lot of people. Andrew

825
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Cuomo has become the leader of the Democratic Party. He

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Speaker 1: is conveying incredible strength. You spoke to National Guard troops

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Speaker 1: today in a stirring speech that if I wasn't listening carefully,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were sending soldiers off to war. This

829
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: has been a remarkable show of leadership by Governor Cuomo

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00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: in recent days. He's providing hope, but not false hope.

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Speaker 1: Governor of Cuomo, I think is one of the heroes

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Speaker 1: on the front lines. With all of this adulation that

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00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: you're getting for doing your job, are you thinking about

834
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Speaker 1: running for president? Andrew Cuomo, who has a daily television

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Speaker 1: show now and has become in some way as the

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00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: shadow president. Maybe Trump is just a little bit mad

837
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Speaker 1: that Governor Cuomo has become a kind of acting president.

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Speaker 1: Dealing with hardship actually makes you stronger. That's what Governor

839
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Cuomo said earlier today. That's what I'm gonna teach my

840
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: kids right now at home. Oh my god, that's what

841
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to my kids dealing with hardship than

842
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: the media. But we would be remiss if we did

843
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: not highlight his final and worst crime. So let's put

844
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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. This shows how much

845
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: of a monstery is. New York Magazine cold Hearted Cuomo

846
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: ditches his dog at the governor's mansion. So Governor Cuomo

847
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: has been asking his staff members whether they want to

848
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: take his dog off of his hands and let the

849
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: dog behind at the house after he moved out. Now, look,

850
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: I you know it is hard to have a rescue

851
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: dog and all of this, But what we're seeing here

852
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: is this guy basically was using his dog for media purposes.

853
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Now that he no longer needs to be a politician

854
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: with a nice dog and all that, he's trying to

855
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: both pawn it off not only on his staff, but

856
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: leaves it behind at his own house. And as a

857
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Speaker 1: dog person, this is the cheat. Like, if you really

858
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: want to look at how you know the character of people,

859
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: whether you like dogs or not, like to be able

860
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: to leave an animal behind cold hearted and then try

861
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: and just pawn them off on people after you've got

862
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: what you needed out of them. It makes me sick

863
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: in order to see that. It's pretty revealing. Like it

864
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: may seem like a small thing, I guess, but it

865
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: really is very revealing of a person's character. Captain is

866
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: the dog name Captain, was featured in his Instagram account

867
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: and official photos. He was used as a prop. Okay,

868
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: this dog used as a prop by a monster who's

869
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: now happy to just conveniently discard him when he no

870
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: longer needs him to serve in that role and purpose.

871
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: It just shows you what a phony this guy was.

872
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: The entire image of like, I'm the competent strongman here

873
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: to protect you. All of that was completely phony, and

874
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, the media and the public ultimately led by

875
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: the media, completely fell forward Sky's approval ratings. Up until

876
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: very recently Sky High. People were talking about, Oh, they're

877
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: going to swap him out for Joe Biden. Democrats are

878
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: going to run for president. Is you know, certainly if

879
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: after Biden serves, he was all set up to be

880
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: the next Democratic nominee after Kamala Harris does whatever she wants.

881
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy had it made and the whole

882
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: thing was a complete and phony lie. Just like he

883
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: used the dog Captain, he used the people of New

884
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: York for his own glory, and it was completely disgusting

885
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, it really is. I mean, I just

886
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: have no words. And actually I do want to say

887
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: there is a large increase in people taking dogs back

888
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: to the shelters now that COVID is over, because they're like, oh,

889
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: it's actually more work. That also just makes me, you know,

890
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: it's just using these animals, Like if you're going to

891
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: adopt a dog as I did, like you're in it

892
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: for the long haul, and that's just how it goes. Okay,

893
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: let's get to Afghanistan. We have our you know, continuing

894
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: our Afghan update here and I want to bring everybody

895
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: the latest numbers. So here's what we have, the updated

896
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: evacuation numbers from the White House. This is as of

897
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: this morning three am Eastern Standard time for over August

898
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: twenty third to August twenty four to in a twenty

899
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: four hour period, twenty one thousand, six hundred people were

900
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: evacuated from Cobble. There were thirty seven US military flights

901
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: thirty two C seventeens, five C one thirties which carried

902
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: twelve seven hundred evacuees, fifty seven coalition flights which carried

903
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: eight thousand, nine hundred people. So that is well over

904
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: the target crystal for the entire coalition of five thousand

905
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: to nine thousand per day, which the White House says,

906
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: is what they need in order to hit, in order

907
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: to get everybody out by August thirty first. And I

908
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: think that this is, as with all things today, a

909
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: media story more than anything else. Our friend Richard Hannania

910
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: he put it, you know, in Richard's cheeky way. The

911
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: evacuation is literally the most competent phase of the war

912
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: and the one that is getting the worst press, and

913
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: we wonder why there's no accountability. I want to show

914
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: me the lie, show me the lie exactly. Listen. Am

915
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: I outraged by the scenes at Kable Airport? Absolutely do.

916
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: I think it is disgusting to leave military equipment and

917
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the Taliban's hands. Yeah, but I

918
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: would be remiss if I did not tell you that

919
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: the current evacuation is going ten times better than the

920
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: war itself. And I am just so sick of hearing

921
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: posturing from people who have been silent for the last

922
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: twenty years, who don't know if you're outraged at the

923
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: scenes of kabble or leaving you know, equipment in Taliban hands,

924
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: where were you while the Special Inspector for Afghan Reconstruction

925
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: was putting out reports over the last decade revealing all

926
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: of the equipment, billions of dollars that fell on into

927
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: the hands of the Taliban, the corruption of the Afghan

928
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: national security forces, how quickly the Afghan government was collapsed.

929
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: You could see the corruption there stark, night and day.

930
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: Not to mention the millions of Afghans who were killed

931
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: or wounded, or the thousands of American soldiers who were

932
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: killed or wounded as well. The actual prosecution of the

933
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: war was way worse than this current evacuation. And that's

934
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: what I want people to wrap their minds around. Yes,

935
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: the evacuations going bad, now imagine ten times worse. That's

936
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: what the actual war was like. As Lucas Koontz, who

937
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: was the former marine officer on our show, told us yesterday,

938
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm so glad by the way that so many people

939
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: watched that interview. I was really heartened because that's an

940
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: on the ground experience of how foo Bar this entire

941
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: war really was. Yeah, if you guys have a chance,

942
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: and you haven't watched that interview we did with Lucas yesterday.

943
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: This is the guy who who served in Iraq, he

944
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: served in Afghanistan. He learned the local language Pashtu, so

945
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: he actually spoke with elites, he spoke with Taliban members,

946
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: he spoke with regular Afghan civilians and got a real

947
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: actual picture on the ground of what things were like

948
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: and most importantly, the lies that were being sold to

949
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: the American people for the entirety of this conflict. You

950
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: know the other thing here, Sager to your point about

951
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: how look this obviously it's never going to be pretty

952
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: when you are ending a twenty year disaster of an

953
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: imperial project that spent trillions of dollars to only literally

954
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: make the Taliban stronger than they were when we first arrived.

955
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: Your head around that, I mean, that's not and over.

956
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: That is the true, Okay. There were opposition forces in

957
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: place against the Taliban that we before we ever showed up,

958
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: that were stronger than the Afghan army and police force

959
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: that we spent twenty years trying to train and support

960
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: and reply, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, So that's the

961
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: reality of Afghanistan. And frankly, there are numbers that indicate

962
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: the last week since we've withdrawn and tried to get

963
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: our people out and are having significant success. Frankly, being

964
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: able to do that has been less violent than the

965
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: week before. According to the numbers that are available. I mean,

966
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: that tells you everything. Right, Their outrage is so incredibly selected.

967
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: Where were they for these past twenty years? They didn't care,

968
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: and they don't care now. They're just cynically manipulating people's

969
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: humanitarian instincts in order to try to perpetuate a war

970
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: and a conflict that is completely unjustifiable by anyone at

971
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: this point. So at this point, because the it seems

972
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: like the media is kind of losing interest in the

973
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: story already, because frankly, they haven't gotten all of the

974
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: gore and the bloodshed that they want, right, you said

975
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: it yesterday, And this may be harsh but true, but

976
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: it feels sometimes like they're hoping for an ISIS attack.

977
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: They want slaughter, that's what they want. They're hoping for

978
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: the Taliban to, you know, publicly behead someone for wearing

979
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: Western clothing or whatever. Like that's how sick this is.

980
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: And so since they haven't seen that level of bloodshed,

981
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: not that we're whitewashing the Taliban and their horrific rule

982
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: here whatsoever, they're losing interest in it. And I think

983
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: they're they're already moving on to the next story since

984
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: they didn't get the horror show that they were wanting

985
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: and hoping for to get up their own ratings. Yeah,

986
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's absolute sickness. And the part

987
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: that makes me really sick is what they're currently campaigning.

988
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: They're pushing all they possibly can to try and get

989
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: the US to stay past the August thirty first deadline

990
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: set by the president, which, by the way, the Taliban

991
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: came out yesterday and said is a red line and

992
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: don't just listen to us. Britain's own ambassador to Afghanistan

993
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: told his government staying pack past August thirty first is

994
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: a very high risk endeavor, and yet yesterday that was

995
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: all the press wanted to push on to Jake Sullivan

996
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: whenever he was giving a briefing. Let's take a listen

997
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: to what he said. And as I said, he is

998
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: taking the stay by day and will make his determinations

999
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: as we go. Yes, just follow up because the administration

1000
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: thinks that they need Taliban agreement to extend beyond August

1001
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: thirty third. As I said, we are engaging with the Taliban,

1002
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: consulting with the Taliban on every aspect of what's happening

1003
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: in kabl right now. On what's happening at the airport,

1004
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: on how we need to ensure that there is facilitated

1005
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: passage to the airport for American citizens, SIVs, third country nationals,

1006
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: and so forth. Will continue those conversations with them. Ultimately

1007
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: it will be the president's decision. How this precedes no

1008
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: one else's. And crystal breaking news this morning that the

1009
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: CIA Director Bill Burns actually yesterday met with the leader

1010
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: of the Taliban in Kabble, the highest level meeting to

1011
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: date between the Taliban and the Biden administration since they've

1012
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: been in power. Obviously most likely talking about withdrawal plans,

1013
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: the airport and more. But if you want to see

1014
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: the deep state already trying to weaponize and to protect themselves,

1015
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: it's happening. Their little errand boy Adam Schiff, who leaked

1016
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: everything they wanted during the Russian investigation. Well, here's the consequence.

1017
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: Now he's doing the exact same thing as head of

1018
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: the Intel Committee. Let's put these tweets up there on

1019
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the screen. Adam shift come out in preempting the administration

1020
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: saying the intelligence community says that it's unlikely that Americans

1021
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: may be out all the way by August of thirty

1022
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: first given the numbers. So he's saying and pushing for

1023
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: the deadline to be evacuated. But the worst part, in

1024
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, is he says that the intel community was

1025
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: quote very aware that Taliban had the ability to take

1026
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: over the country, and he declares, quote, I do not

1027
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: believe at this point, sitting here today, I have any

1028
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: evidence of an intelligence failure. Now sorry, that was by

1029
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Jason crow who's another Democrat, also a pro war Democrat,

1030
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: pro Intel Committee. As you pointed out in your excellent monologue, Crystal,

1031
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: the CIA director was traveling while this was happening. There's

1032
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: no way he would have been doing that if he

1033
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: thought that the country was going to collapse. There is

1034
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: no realm of possibility where the intelligence community predicted one

1035
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: hundred percent that this was going to happen. They are

1036
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: simply trying to cover their own ass and put this

1037
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: all with the political consequences, onto the White House and

1038
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: to see their little janitors in Congress like Adam Schiff

1039
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: just put this stuff out there completely without any chagrin,

1040
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: without any you know, skepticism of what they're hearing. This

1041
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: is a final consequence of Russia Gate, which is that

1042
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: they have made themselves stenographers for the intel community, the

1043
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: very lawmaker who was supposed to be looking over them

1044
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, Adam shift d CIA is basically I mean,

1045
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: when you hear words come out of his mouth, just

1046
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: know that they come directly from deep stay. I mean,

1047
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: he's just repeats whatever line they want him to put

1048
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: out into the public, you know, going so far as

1049
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: just just unequivocally. So, oh, there was no intelligence failure here.

1050
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: Of course, they got it perfectly right, trying to push

1051
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: it all onto Joe Biden that this had to be

1052
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: done in a hurried fashion. So yeah, there's a lot

1053
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: of cynical actors all around. The media coverage has been

1054
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: horrendous and one sided, and the moment that they don't

1055
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: get the story that they want on out of it,

1056
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: they're going to move on to something else and forget

1057
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: that Afghanistan ever existed, like they did for the past

1058
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: twenty years. Yeah, no, that's right. You know we were looking,

1059
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: you were saying, they mentioned it like five times, only

1060
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes that they spent on the media coverage.

1061
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: It goes back even more years. You know, over the

1062
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: last five years, they've barely spent any time whatsoever. And

1063
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: now they're all, you know, logistics experts on withdrawal from Kabo.

1064
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: It makes me, you know, it just makes me so

1065
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: mad just watching these people because we know that they

1066
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: don't care and really what they're wishing for is a

1067
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: bad outcome. That's exactly right. Wow, you guys must really

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Speaker 1: like listening to our voices. Well, I know this is

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Speaker 1: annoying instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial.

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Speaker 1: When you're done, check out the other podcast I do

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Speaker 1: with Marshall Kasoff called The Realignment. We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about the deeper issues that are changing, realigning in American society.

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Speaker 1: You always need more Crystal and Sager in your daily lives.

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Speaker 1: Take care, guys, All right, soccer, what are you looking at? Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a story where I'm always reluctant to seem

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Speaker 1: as if I'm defending somebody. But the more I looked

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Speaker 1: into the facts of this is completely insane. So it

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Speaker 1: starts with the Associated Press. Now, we've covered before how

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Speaker 1: the media really seems to have Ron DeSantis derangement syndrome,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened here. So the AP publishes

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Speaker 1: this story in which they say quote DeSantis top donor

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Speaker 1: invests in COVID drug governor promotes. Okay, that seems bad. However,

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Speaker 1: let's actually read into it a little bit. Now, what

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Speaker 1: we find here the AP story is predicated on how

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Speaker 1: Ken Griffin, who is the CEO of Citadel, a Chicago

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Speaker 1: based hedge fund. They have fifteen point nine million in

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Speaker 1: shares of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, which is of course the pusher

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Speaker 1: of these mononucleal antibodies which have been found to be

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Speaker 1: extremely effective for people who have COVID. So the drug

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Speaker 1: that both the governor of Florida also the governor of

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Speaker 1: Texas has been pushing this Regeneron mononuclear antibody treatment which

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Speaker 1: has been stround to be shown to be extraordinarily effective.

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Speaker 1: They are insinuated it's being pushed by DeSantis because of donors. Now,

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Speaker 1: you may remember that they did this previously to media

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Speaker 1: whenever it came to vaccines in Palm Beach County, even

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Speaker 1: though as the Palm Beach County Democrats came out and

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Speaker 1: said that there was nothing to this story, Well, this

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Speaker 1: is exactly what happened. You saw a huge pushback from

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Speaker 1: the DeSantis administration, from his spokesperson Christina Pushaw. Well, what

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Speaker 1: ended up happening is that the AP, based on her pushback,

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Speaker 1: they write this ridiculous little letter where they say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mayor or sorry, Governor DeSantis, you need to end harassing

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Speaker 1: tweets aimed at a reporter from his spokesperson. Now again,

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Speaker 1: his spokesperson is simply highlighting, admittedly with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of vitriol, that the AP story is complete and total

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Speaker 1: bs and what happens, what do you think happens? Twitter

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Speaker 1: then takes action against the government spokesperson put this up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. Her Twitter account was locked for

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Speaker 1: twelve hours and she was forced to delete it for

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Speaker 1: quote harassing behavior. Now, once again she was pointing out

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Speaker 1: that this story is completely and utterly ridiculous and all

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Speaker 1: things considered, the Associated Press publishes a ridiculous hit piece,

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Speaker 1: barely grounded in fact, against Governor DeSantis. Then they complain

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Speaker 1: whenever you point out that it's completely wrong. Then Twitter

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Speaker 1: goes and bans her. Governor Santus actually pointed this out

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Speaker 1: all in a letter let's put it up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, in which he pointed out, he's like, you

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Speaker 1: have published a misleading clickbait headline to cast out on

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Speaker 1: a pretty effective cure, well, I would say therapeutic for COVID,

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Speaker 1: and now people may think that that is infected by politics,

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Speaker 1: all because of a ridiculous story. So, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you think about Ron DeSantis, no matter what you think

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Speaker 1: about censorship and more, you can clearly see that the

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Speaker 1: facts of this story show a mishandling by the Associated Press,

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Speaker 1: then an enforcement by Twitter wrongly on the side of

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Speaker 1: the AP, and really just a totally and misleading situation

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Speaker 1: which could lead to an undermining confidence in public health.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Crystal. The more I looked into this,

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe the facts of the story. One

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Speaker 1: more thing, I promise. Just wanted to make sure you

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Speaker 1: knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal,

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Speaker 1: Kyle and Friends, where we do long form interviews with

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Speaker 1: people like Nom Chomsky, Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You

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Speaker 1: can listen on any podcast platform, or you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: over on substack to get the video a day early.

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Speaker 1: We're going to stop bugging you now. Enjoy Crystal. What

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Speaker 1: are you taking a look at today? Well, this morning,

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Speaker 1: I've had two little stories for you about just what

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Speaker 1: a complete monstrous grift, layers upon layers of gouals taking

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Speaker 1: their cut is essentially all that our shambalic healthcare system is.

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Speaker 1: So first story, let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is from the Washington Post. Really encourage you to

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Speaker 1: read this entire story. So many detailed, great examples here.

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Speaker 1: The headline is how the US vaccination drive came to

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Speaker 1: rely on an army of consultants. And let's just say

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Speaker 1: no one is blameless here, federal government level, state level,

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Speaker 1: Red states and blue states. So let's just go through

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Speaker 1: a few of these examples. First one federal government. Back

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Speaker 1: during the Trump administration, Boston Consulting Group was given a

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Speaker 1: four point nine million dollar contract from the CDC to

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Speaker 1: set up the initial vaccination Drive. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you remember the initial vaccination Drive, but it was

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Speaker 1: a complete and utter catastrophe that two thirds of Americans,

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Speaker 1: according to a gallop pole said was going terribly. So

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Speaker 1: what happens? Did they adjust? Bringing someone new? No? No, no.

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Speaker 1: It led to Boston Consultant Consulting Group being rewarded with

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Speaker 1: another one hundred and sixty five million dollars in contracts.

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Speaker 1: You got that so federal government thinks they can't do

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Speaker 1: it themselves, they outsource it to this group of consultant

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Speaker 1: goals who dramatically fail and are rewarded with another one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five million dollars in contracts. That's just

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Speaker 1: the beginning here. Let's talk about Ohio, a red state

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Speaker 1: run by Republican Governor Mike DeWine. Ohio was falling behind

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Speaker 1: other states nationally in terms of the vaccination rates. This

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Speaker 1: was a problem for the governor. Apparently not because he

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Speaker 1: was actually worried about the vaccination drive going well. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: he was worried about this from a pr perspective was

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Speaker 1: making him look bad politically. So what did they do.

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Speaker 1: They brought in McKenzie with a six million dollar contract

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Speaker 1: to help them quote tell their stories. Here's an email

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Speaker 1: that illustrates we can throw this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: That illustrates exactly what they were actually concerned about and

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Speaker 1: wanted McKenzie to help them deal with. This is an

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Speaker 1: email from Stephanie McLeod, who is the top public health

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Speaker 1: official in the state. She says, as you know, the

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Speaker 1: governor is getting pummeled by the media, both in stories

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Speaker 1: as well as at pressers about where Ohio falls nationally

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Speaker 1: and the Midwest. Time is short, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: the governor standing up at one more presser without a

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Speaker 1: story to tell. Next presser is Tuesday. As much as

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Speaker 1: you can, please prioritize mackenzie request tomorrow so they can

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Speaker 1: get started. So, just to summarize here, six million dollar

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Speaker 1: contract to the goals of Mackenzie, not even to help

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Speaker 1: make the vaccination drive go better, but to invent some

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Speaker 1: bullshit cover story for the governor. Taxpayer dollars going to

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Speaker 1: a spin operation, a pr spin operation, that's what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about here. But it's not just red state governors

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Speaker 1: that are guilty of these types of disgusting throwing my

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Speaker 1: around to some of the worst people in the country.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at California Governor Gavin Newsom, a

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Speaker 1: bit of hot water right now, facing a recall election

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Speaker 1: that is really quite close. Apparently, according to this report,

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Speaker 1: no state went as far as California in terms of

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Speaker 1: outsourcing their vaccination drive to consultants. In particular, Newsom put

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Speaker 1: Blue Shield, a health insurre, in charge of the initial

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Speaker 1: vaccination logistics, making sure enough doses were going to the

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Speaker 1: right places. Making sure those doses weren't spoiled in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: That was incredibly important because there was very limited supply.

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Speaker 1: Blue Shield. From the outside, you might say, okay, health

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Speaker 1: insurer vaccinations seems like a kind of logical choice if

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Speaker 1: you're going to go ahead and outsource all of these things.

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Speaker 1: But the experts involved said the selecting Blue Shield was

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Speaker 1: completely insane. They were outraged by it. Why because this

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Speaker 1: sort of task, what you really needed was someone who

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Speaker 1: specialized in logistics, in delivery, in being able to move

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Speaker 1: these vaccinations and track them properly, something that Blue Shield

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Speaker 1: again dramatically failed at. So you might ask yourself, well,

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Speaker 1: why did he pick this particular company to reward with

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Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars in government contracts to do

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Speaker 1: something that they have no expertise whatsoever in doing. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's a piece of information that might be relevant to

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Speaker 1: you helping to understand this. This is from the piece

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Speaker 1: when Newsom ran for governor in twenty eighteen, Blue Shield

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Speaker 1: partnered with labor unions to sponsor a committee supporting him

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Speaker 1: that was not subject to spending limits, a superpack. In

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Speaker 1: other words, after Newsom one, Blue Shield contributed one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars for his inauguration. They also gave fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars on his behalf to a charity for firefighters, according

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Speaker 1: to filings with the state, so ran a superPAC for him,

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Speaker 1: gave him one hundred k, gave a donation of fifty

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Speaker 1: k on his behalf to a charity for firefighters, and

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Speaker 1: then lo and behold, what a coincidence rewarded with this

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Speaker 1: gigantic contract that they had no business getting whatsoever. This

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Speaker 1: piece goes on and on about examples of the way

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Speaker 1: that money was thrown around to these consultants. So as

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Speaker 1: we look at the fact and consider why so many

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Speaker 1: Americans have not gotten vaccinated these consultants in the millions

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Speaker 1: that they made to grift off of taxpayers, very important

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Speaker 1: and undertold part of the story. But just so you

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Speaker 1: know that it's not only in times of crisis, and

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Speaker 1: when our healthcare system fails us, just on a daily

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Speaker 1: regular basis, it is nothing but a grift and a sham.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this New York Times tear sheet up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. We've just gotten a look at what hospitals

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Speaker 1: charge for various standard medicines, procedures, anything that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: This was as a result of a bipartisan price transparency

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Speaker 1: effort that was started under the Trump administration has been

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Speaker 1: continued under the Biden administration, where hospitals are supposed to

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Speaker 1: disclose what patients are actually being charged for these various procedures.

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Speaker 1: You would think you would already know that, But not

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Speaker 1: only do you not already know that, a lot of

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Speaker 1: hospitals have just flouted the law and refused even now

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Speaker 1: to provide the prices of what people are actually being charged.

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Speaker 1: Why do they not want that information to get out

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Speaker 1: thout there? Well, let's put the next hair sheet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. The prices are insane and make absolutely

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Speaker 1: no sense. So the particular example we have up here

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Speaker 1: is for a colonoscopy at one single hospital, Beaumont Hospital,

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Speaker 1: Royal Oak. If you have a Blue Cross plan, it

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Speaker 1: costs seven hundred and twenty eight dollars. If you have

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Speaker 1: a Signal plan, it costs nine hundred and ninety nine dollars.

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Speaker 1: If you have a human plan it costs one thousand,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and one dollars. These prices are based on

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Speaker 1: literally nothing, and it's not just colonoscopies. Every single thing

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Speaker 1: that they looked at was equally insane. And one of

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Speaker 1: the lies that you've been told is that if you

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Speaker 1: are insured the insurers, they have a lot of weight

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Speaker 1: behind them, they can negotiate the best possible price, that

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Speaker 1: they can negotiate better prices certainly than you can on

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Speaker 1: your own, or that the government can through Medicare and medicaid.

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Speaker 1: That turns out to be a total lie. In many instances,

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Speaker 1: people who are uninsured are being the ticket price they're

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Speaker 1: being charged is actually lower than the rate that the

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Speaker 1: insurer is paying. Those costs pass along to employers. They're

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Speaker 1: also passed along to people who have high deductible plans.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's cost sharing even beyond when you've hit your deductible.

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Speaker 1: So this is a huge, huge price and burden that's

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Speaker 1: being put on healthcare consumers. In many instances, these insurers

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Speaker 1: are being charged rates for the same exact medicine or

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Speaker 1: treatment that are four times or even ten times more

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Speaker 1: than what the federal government is paying. So this this

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Speaker 1: is all completely insane. It bears no relationship to what

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Speaker 1: the cost of the procedure is or what the cost

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Speaker 1: of the medicine is. It's just all about who's on

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Speaker 1: the take and the amount of profit that they can

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Speaker 1: squeeze out of every single interaction with the healthcare system.

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Speaker 1: The entire thing is a grift. Everybody is on the take,

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: and ultimately the healthcare consumer is stuck with the bill

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: and saber the price transparency thing. First of all, it's

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: insane that be possible. So as you know, there's a

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: big election going on in California, the recall one with

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. The polls have it very tight, and there's

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot of analysis that we want to be able

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: to bring all of you. We found the right person,

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Speaker 1: Gustavo Ariano, he writes for the La Times. Now, Gustavo,

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: you werete a column which caught both of our eye.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it up there on the screen. Sorry, Democrats,

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01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: Latino anger towards Republicans isn't enough to save Newsom's political hide.

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: Tell us about what you were trying to get across

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: in that column and how you see the election generally.

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: Does one group that has always been more have to

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: support the recall than not so foreign polls have been Latinos,

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: which has shocked people because, of course Latinos are the

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: largest ethnic group in California. Latinos have been supposedly solidly

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: Democrat for the past twenty five years, ever since the

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: GOP in the nineties way to scorched shirt xenophobic campaign

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: against Latinos to be able to win any sort of elections.

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: So people have been shocked again and again. And Myron,

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01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, the reason I did this is like, don't

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: be shocked. There's very legitimate reasons. I don't agree with them,

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01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm totally against the recall, but there's

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: very legitimate reasons as to why Latinos are going to

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: be in favor of the recall. The last poll showed

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01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: that Latinos are a majority of likely Latino voters are

1305
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: going are supporting the recall. And why do you think

1306
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: what do you think those reasons are? And by the way,

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01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you are on the other

1308
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: side of the debate, I think that gives you credibility

1309
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: that you're saying, Look, this is not my thing, but

1310
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: I understand where people are coming from here. This is

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: something that Democrats really need to pay attention to. Yeah,

1312
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: tell that to the Democrats who absolutely despise my column,

1313
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: especially the act of especially white liberals of all people

1314
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: that just despise the column. But there are a couple

1315
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: of reasons I mentioned in my column you have. For one,

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: Latinos were just destroyed, you know, more than probably more

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 1: than any other ethnic group in California by the pandemic.

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 1: We're frontline workers, we're small business owners. We're also a

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of the people who passed away. So I thought

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: Gavin did as good a job as possible as he

1321
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: did for the most part with the pandemic, especially except

1322
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: of course, with the not wearing of the mask at

1323
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: the French laundry. So people, all voters are going to say,

1324
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately and so far?

1325
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: Now we are going back to mask man, you know,

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: We're going back to mask mandates. Everyone's expecting the state

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: to shut down in a couple of weeks if the

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: Delta Varian continues. And also though all Gavin has at

1329
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 1: this point is saying I'm not Larry Elder, Larry Elder

1330
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: is evil. Therefore vote for me or you know, vote

1331
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: against a recall. No one wants to hear that, you know,

1332
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: especially this has been a campaign strategy that has worked

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: for the Democrats for twenty five years. We're not the

1334
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: GOP the GP hates you latinos is not working anymore.

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: We saw this not work with Trump Trump gaining in

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01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: Latino numbers in the twenty twenty election. Yeah, you know,

1337
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: it's so interesting, Gustava. We've tracked this phenomenon with our

1338
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: friend Chuck Roacha as well, who's been saying you cannot

1339
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: take advantage of Latino votes. Do you think that that

1340
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: is going to come to roost? I mean, I think

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01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: your point there about the lockdown, about how Latino workers

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: in particular disproportionately born likely to be affected by some

1343
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: of these policies, plus the expectations of pandemic restriction, do

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01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: you think that is what is motivating people? I mean,

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: what are some of the other issues that are salient

1346
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: in the campaign, Because you know where we are here

1347
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: in Washington, there is not as much of attention on

1348
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: this race, which I do really believe could be you know,

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: a seismic event. If Gavin Newsom is recalled, Oh my lord,

1350
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: it'll be the political blunder of the millennium, you know,

1351
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: the short millennium so far. The fact that Newsom and

1352
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: I called this, by the way, I said in early

1353
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: March before the recail even became a fishal I said,

1354
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 1: Newsom will win if or Newsom will not be recalled

1355
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: if everything goes hunky dory. Well, you have wildfires in California,

1356
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: you have the pandemic, you have this state of angst

1357
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: that he has never really been able to solve because

1358
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: the pandemic has it allowed him. And this is the

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01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: other thing with Newsom, no one really likes them. Let's

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01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: be honest. You know, Democratic politicians have to like him

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: because he's the governor and he might have a small base,

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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: but Latinos, he he's never resonated with Latinos the way

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01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: say Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, you know Chuck. Of course

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01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: Chuck was smart. No one wants to listen to Chuck.

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: So if you don't have a politician that's going to

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: motivate you to try to save your hide, then they're

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: not just gonna come out. And also, and I cannot

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01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: overestimate or you know, oversell this idea that there's a

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: lot and I've been trying to formulate this idea of

1370
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: the rancho libertarian. You know, a lot of my there's

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01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: a lot of young Latino males. They don't care. They

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: care more for Joe Rogan than they do for Gavin Newsom.

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: And they're not necessarily like, arn't conservatives or anything. They

1374
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: just grew up with parents who did it their way,

1375
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, pull yourself up by the bootstrap. So you

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: hear someone like Newsom just throw all sorts of stuff

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01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: through the government at them, it's not gonna impress them

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01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: one bit. So right now as we speak, it's pretty

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: much a jump ball, and I always think it's worth

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01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: going through a little bit of the process for people

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: who maybe have been following it that closely. So they'll

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: be basically two questions that are asked to California voters.

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01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: Number one, do you support recalling Gavin Newsom? And if

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01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: more than fifty percent say yes, then it goes on

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01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: to the second question, Okay, well who do you want

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01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: to replace him with? And there's a whole list of

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 1: people of a top contender right now appears to be

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: a conservative radio host named Larry Elder. So there's a

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: bizarre set of circumstances where Newsom's approval rating is actually

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 1: fairly good, it's above water. But the people who are

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01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: most voted motivated to come out and vote in the

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01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: recall are the ones who are vote motivated to vote

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01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 1: for the recall and vote to get him out of office.

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: So do you think it's possible that at the end

1395
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: of this campaign, as people actually realize like, oh, this

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: is real, this guy could actually lose, that that's going

1397
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: to motivate more people to go out to the polls.

1398
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: Or do you think that some of the apathy is

1399
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: just kind of baked in at this point. The apathy

1400
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: is baked in, melted whatever food metaphor you want to use,

1401
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: it's right there. And that's why what you're seeing is

1402
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: the Democrats definitely saying, look, if we have a Republican

1403
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: we have Larry elderball people being the governor of California,

1404
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: this the progressive dream is gone. It's doomed. So it's

1405
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: a total scorchterres apocalypse campaign. But you're also seeing that

1406
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 1: now with Republican the number two person right now, Kevin Faulkner,

1407
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: the former mayor of San Diego. He's called them elder

1408
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: to resign for his past statements about women about minorities,

1409
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: saying California, I forgot what the quote was, but something

1410
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: to the fact that California is not going to replace

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01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: one in effectual governor with another one. But those are

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01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: the voters, I mean, people forget as for all the

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: stereotypes of being for California being a deep blue state,

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: which it totally is, we still have it. Since we're

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01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: so huge, we still have a huge Republican GOP you know,

1416
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: voting base in many ways bigger than some of the

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: deep red states that we have. So if all those

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01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: people go out and vote, and they are because they

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01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: absolutely despise you Some, if Democrats don't like them, Republicans

1420
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: despise them. If you have apathy from the Democratic side,

1421
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: then new Some is Toad. So the person, the people

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: who are going to influence this election, the trigger so

1423
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: to speak, are going to be Latinos. And what's interesting,

1424
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: if it's likely voters, then Newsom wants Latinos out because

1425
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: Newsom wants that apathy. But if Latinos finally come to

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01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: their senses and say, you know what, we do not

1427
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: want Elder and Newsom screw him but better news than

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01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: someone else, then latin will turn the election towards the Newsam.

1429
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: But that's the big if. And so far the polls

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: have shown again starting from March, it was about thirty

1431
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: seven percent Latino likely voter supporting the recall. The last

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01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: one I believe it was by CBS, it was about

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01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: fifty one percent. We'll see that the next boles should

1434
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: be coming out next week. It's picking up. Yeah, that

1435
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 1: is absolutely shunning, because can you explain something to me.

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01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: I've seen some criticism of Gavin Newsom's recall strategy here,

1437
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: which is that vote no, but also leave the next blank,

1438
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: leave the recall who you want blank. I've seen Nate

1439
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: Silver and others point out this actually could screw him

1440
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: over and lead to his actual recall. Now, once again,

1441
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: you're our California expert. What the hell is going on there?

1442
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm a bit confused. So this goes back to the

1443
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and three recall, the Gray Davis. The what

1444
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Democrats feel and I disagree, by the way, was that

1445
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: great Davis, a very very unpopular governor back then. Total

1446
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: like with techno crap boring Arnold Schwarzenegger of course, jumps

1447
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: into the race destroys everyone. So the thinking though, was

1448
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: that the reason the Democrats loss was because you had

1449
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor at the time, Cruz Bustamante, a Latino

1450
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: vote be on that recall petition. That's when we had

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three candidates as opposed to forty seven. Now.

1452
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: So the thinking was that, okay, people thought that by

1453
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: voting for Bustamante, I'm voting yes on the recall, you

1454
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: saved the seat that didn't happen. I would argue Schwarzenegger

1455
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 1: was a political phenomena cultural phenomenon back then. He's not

1456
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: the Schwarzenegger of today. People forget Germany or two and

1457
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: all that, and so this time around the Democrats, that's

1458
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: been their strategy. Okay, well, in two thousand and three,

1459
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: having a high profile democrat there is going to screwed

1460
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: us over this time, we can't do that as well.

1461
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: But now, no, the opposite has happened. There is no

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01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: viable democrat. There's some YouTube personality. You guys are younger

1463
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: than me, so you'll know who he is Heaven something

1464
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: or other. But other than that, there is no democrat

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: at all. If you had a former La Mayor Antonio

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01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: viare Gosa, that to me, it served as insurance just

1467
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: in case people did want to recall Newsom at least, hey,

1468
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: because we we need Democrat voters. You'll they'll go for Vienna,

1469
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: I go someone else. But there is no option at all,

1470
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: and Newsom is still trying to push that again. If

1471
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: that happens, oh my god, you want to talk about

1472
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: hubris and arrogance. That was that right there. So I've

1473
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: as I read it, this is probably the better strategy

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: for Newsome because if you back someone like, you know,

1475
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: a credible Democrat, if you back them, then it's sending

1476
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: the signal of like, I think I'm going to lose.

1477
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: And by the way, here's a decent option that you

1478
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: could opt for instead. In terms of the Democratic Party,

1479
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: it seems to me like the much better option is

1480
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: to have a little insurance policy there that, you know,

1481
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: if Newsom is ultimately recalled, that people could could fall

1482
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: back to so you don't end up with someone like

1483
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: Larry Elder becoming governor with twenty five percent support of

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Speaker 1: the voting public. But the last question for you is,

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Speaker 1: I just really want to lay out for people why

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Speaker 1: it is incredibly possible that Newsom could be recalled and

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Speaker 1: that you could end up with someone who frankly has

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Speaker 1: views that are really wildly at odds with most of

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Speaker 1: the California public. Serving as governor of that state because

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Speaker 1: it seems like such an incredibly implausible outcome. Just help

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Speaker 1: people understand that, Look, this is not certain whatsoever, but

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Speaker 1: is there a chance that's where we end up? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance. This is unthinkable to most people in California,

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Speaker 1: and especially outsiders like yourself. You're like, what the hell

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Speaker 1: is going on? This is supposed to be California the

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Speaker 1: bastion of progressive politics against the Trump administration. But no,

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Speaker 1: the fact is, we have a recall on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: There's always voter apathy. Newsom just does not have that

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Speaker 1: base to Maybe his policies do. But we're not running

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Speaker 1: on policies. We're running on Newsom. So because the Democrat

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Speaker 1: and this is the key point, the Democrats never plan

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Speaker 1: for a day like this, so they have no strategy whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Their big idea right now is running commercials NonStop with

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. And hey, Elizabeth is awesome, But no one

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Speaker 1: in California outside of Santa Monica or San Francisco cares

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Speaker 1: for Elizabeth Warren. They don't, so, and that just antagonizes

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01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: and annoys people more and more. So it's a very

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Speaker 1: like it's a I mean, we it's a coin flip

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Speaker 1: right now as you point, or a tip off, a

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Speaker 1: basketball tipof it is a possibility. There's still three weeks

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Speaker 1: to go the recall elections schedule for September fourteenth, but

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Speaker 1: the ballots are already coming out because every single California

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Speaker 1: voter is going to have a mail in ballot. So

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Speaker 1: if you want your progressive paradise to remain in California,

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Speaker 1: if you don't want someone who's politics are out of

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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, we're talking about the eighteen nineties with

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01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Larry Elder, then you have to go out and vote,

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: know on the recall. But a lot of people really

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Speaker 1: again with I think with Trump here are like we

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01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: survived four years of Trump, we can survive about a

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Speaker 1: year and a half of Larry Elder. Be careful what

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01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: your wish for because it just might come true. Wow,

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely crazy. Gustavo, thank you so much, you know,

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Speaker 1: for just breaking all this down for us. Has been

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01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: incredibly helpful and we really appreciate your respective. Yeah, we

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01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you to have you. Thanks man, appreciate it. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for watching. We really appreciate it. You

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Speaker 1: guys can become a premium subscriber today. Link is down

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Speaker 1: there in the description. I just want to say we

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Speaker 1: appreciate me in particular all the support from so many

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Speaker 1: of you that get well uh messages and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I got a message that somebody had prayed for me

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Speaker 1: at the road. That's like the nicest thing anybody has said.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you all. I am feeling better.

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Speaker 1: I very much hope. I am very very very confident

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Speaker 1: I'll be back in the studio next week and you know,

1537
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: really miss it. Crystal, thanks for bearing with me as well.

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Speaker 1: So thanks everybody. Not so bad hanging out in my

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: apartment this week, Tiger, so no worries and I think

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Speaker 1: for you glad you're starting to feel better and we

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Speaker 1: will see you guys back here Thursday. Thanks for listening

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