Speaker 1: What's up everyone. I'm Tory and I'm Anissa, and this
Speaker 1: is MTV's official Challenge podcast where we go behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the Challenge All Stars. Now today we're getting
Speaker 1: into part two of the All Stars finale, from Carolina Reapers,
Speaker 1: the Mysterious meat Plates, Double Gross, to Overnight Challenges, and
Speaker 1: to DJ riding in on a horse. I am not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. This final looked so intense. I mean it
Speaker 1: really was. It was awful, and I know just who
Speaker 1: we can talk to about it because later in the
Speaker 1: episode we'll interview the very first Challenge All Stars champion,
Speaker 1: Yes Duffy yea yes to stick around, guys, because you
Speaker 1: don't want to miss that. Alright, Anisa, you know what
Speaker 1: time it is, It's time for time Bomb. So this
Speaker 1: is that twenty two second recap in honor of the
Speaker 1: twenty two badass Challengers that came back to Come on,
Speaker 1: All Stars, Are you ready to do it? You know
Speaker 1: I'm never ready, but I'll give it my best shot.
Speaker 1: Three to one go. After we eat the Carolina Reapers
Speaker 1: and everybody's dying, vomiting and trying. They're just dying, and
Speaker 1: Durrell may need a medic, we walk up the hill.
Speaker 1: Then we change partners and then you just like, here
Speaker 1: you go this, we're gonna stay overnight. Then we just
Speaker 1: run up and there's like a big old chocolate dick,
Speaker 1: the mother food that we need to eat, like seven
Speaker 1: pounds worth of food, and everybody's puking. And then we
Speaker 1: see our little beds, little torture beds, and we sleep there,
Speaker 1: and then we find out the next day after teacher
Speaker 1: rides in on a horse that we have to run up. Tyler,
Speaker 1: so good, Okay, I'm trying to pick up from where
Speaker 1: you left off. Okay, okay, you finished the final in
Speaker 1: three two? What you think you died in the final,
Speaker 1: But you're not a cadaver. You're just lying on the
Speaker 1: cadaver bed. Guess what you gotta go? Run, run, run.
Speaker 1: Here we go up the mountain, but big easy. And
Speaker 1: then you see our standing together because they are bff
Speaker 1: for life. I'm getting kind of jealous, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna tell anybody. Gonna keep moving forward. Durrell's moving, moving, moving.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he heats why he didn't take
Speaker 1: off his clothing? Yes, takes off his clothing like a
Speaker 1: real man. That's right, Yes, take it off, Yes or yes.
Speaker 1: He goes up that mountain, banged out a boom, buying
Speaker 1: some sticks, climbs off, some tried so hard it was
Speaker 1: so good. Wait, but that's how I really looked at
Speaker 1: the beds. It's funny you saw that, Like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this an autopsy? It was metal. It looks like
Speaker 1: something you see when you go to the oncologist. Well,
Speaker 1: minus is sturrups and the frosty spreads, the legs spreads
Speaker 1: and a legs. The play of the day tory what
Speaker 1: was the best athletic move? Honestly, I don't want to
Speaker 1: call it the best athletic move, but I want to
Speaker 1: call it the best strategic move. And I honestly think
Speaker 1: when Yes decided to take a few extra moments to
Speaker 1: take off his clothes, he made a game changing move
Speaker 1: because that gave him the ability to the cool climbing
Speaker 1: up the rest of that mountain, and that might have
Speaker 1: been the thing that helped him get the lead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he also has a crazy um amount of experience with hiking,
Speaker 1: hence his beautiful walking sticks in the way that man
Speaker 1: was moving, But yeah, I got to give it to
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I may have to give it
Speaker 1: to Johnny. I mean, call me, call me a sucker
Speaker 1: for my little cis. But I've watched her through the
Speaker 1: years and I've never seen her give everything yeah to it,
Speaker 1: play a solid game through and through surprise herself, prove
Speaker 1: things to herself that I think she never thought she
Speaker 1: could do, and make her family proud. So hats off
Speaker 1: to you, Johnny. Thank you for kicking ass after having
Speaker 1: a baby seven months prior to All Stars. I did
Speaker 1: worse and I have no children, So um, yeah, you
Speaker 1: are a super superwoman. She absolutely killed that and I
Speaker 1: love watching all of her interviews. She comes off so
Speaker 1: genuine and it's so nice to see somebody who's so
Speaker 1: genuine just fighting so hard. So I'm with you on that, Johnny.
Speaker 1: We love you over here, sending you some Ethan love. Girl.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the dirtiest deed and he so, what
Speaker 1: do you think was the dirtiest deed in this final?
Speaker 1: I think? And I think I think when Justin Booth
Speaker 1: decided to give us Carolina Reapers and then say refreshment,
Speaker 1: because there was a sign that was like refreshments I had.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh we're gonna get milk. Everyone's stomach
Speaker 1: is gonna be a kids Like, no, no, no, after
Speaker 1: your inside are on fire, we're going to give you
Speaker 1: a bunch of food. Dude. That's insane. It was a
Speaker 1: double eating challenge. Basically, that's terrible. Yeah, dude, it was
Speaker 1: bad that that food kind of okay, tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. It looked kind of good for one second. Right.
Speaker 1: It was an Argentinian barbecue, and I was asking Diego,
Speaker 1: who's our one of our safety guys who helps create
Speaker 1: all of the all the shows, Like he's always in
Speaker 1: the thing with us, you know, Diego, um um, and
Speaker 1: he's from it. I'm like, do you eat this? He
Speaker 1: was like I eat this every day? And I was like, um,
Speaker 1: why Yeah. But I recognized from like Dirty thirty, like
Speaker 1: pork always tastes the same, so there's no mistaking, Like
Speaker 1: you can't like really fudge that up. It's like, ah,
Speaker 1: this is pork, this is liver, this is a blood sausage,
Speaker 1: Like oh, these are intestine school But by the time
Speaker 1: the intestines got cold, they were like chalk inside. The
Speaker 1: fat was bad. So I was like wiping our dinner
Speaker 1: the top of the roof of my mouth. I did
Speaker 1: what I had to do. Yeah, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: all you can do at that point. But it was
Speaker 1: a lot of food. Oh man. It was trying shipping
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, and then after the food, it was
Speaker 1: that overnight challenge and overnight challenges. I know that they
Speaker 1: look intense, but you have no idea how intense they
Speaker 1: are until you have to stand on a platform or
Speaker 1: sleep in the cold for like twelve hours. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fat well. Yes and I were the first to
Speaker 1: finish the puzzle after eating the reapers, then we run
Speaker 1: up the hill. When we walk up the hill because
Speaker 1: everybody's dying, Yeah, we get second, We run in, we
Speaker 1: have our food. Takes us a while to eat, Dorrella
Speaker 1: and I and then we get to our beds. But
Speaker 1: when we got there was like six o'clock and the
Speaker 1: sun is not coming up till seven. It's twenty eight degrees.
Speaker 1: We had heat garon. They had to bring us jackets.
Speaker 1: They also I'll save this for a little U Challenge
Speaker 1: confessional later, Okay, I mean challenge confessional Challenge confidential in
Speaker 1: a minute. I don't know what I'm talking about, okay,
Speaker 1: But the worst part was like if you had to
Speaker 1: pee and you were standing on that thing, or you
Speaker 1: were lying down when you got back, you could have
Speaker 1: been a dead sleep and you go to pee and
Speaker 1: your partner could be fine outside and like let you sleep.
Speaker 1: If you got up to pee, you would have to
Speaker 1: automatically switch with your part There was no way that
Speaker 1: you could go back to the place you were, even
Speaker 1: if they were Like I got it, and Darrell was
Speaker 1: incredible with me. I mean, all the guys really did
Speaker 1: a lot for their partners, like tucked us in, made
Speaker 1: sure we're okay. Um, I was crying. That ship was tough.
Speaker 1: It looked tough. It was just so cold. Yeah, overnight
Speaker 1: challenges are not easy, and I think that they honestly,
Speaker 1: I would like to start a petition to stop them,
Speaker 1: But like what power do I have? So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that more with yes, because I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: get into that interview. But the last thing you guys
Speaker 1: had to do before you finished was raced at the
Speaker 1: top of that mountain as individuals and then you got
Speaker 1: double the points, So like what was that like? And
Speaker 1: for me, like, I'm like, okay, logically, like, let's think
Speaker 1: about it. Do the math from the day before. Did
Speaker 1: I get enough points to win? Like I would even
Speaker 1: if I had gotten the first place up that mountain,
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't have beat the top person. Yeah dude,
Speaker 1: it was tough, but you know what, but I finished it.
Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to do. We all finished within
Speaker 1: like minutes of each other, so like we all got
Speaker 1: to celebrate. It wasn't like people are waiting for forever
Speaker 1: for you, Like they rooted you on, they cheered you on.
Speaker 1: So it um And I knew the day before. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if they're going to double the points, there's no way
Speaker 1: we can to keep doing this. And I'm like, are
Speaker 1: there I asked questions like are there checkpoints on this
Speaker 1: run up? Because that would have been awesome. Then I
Speaker 1: felt like I had a chance. But now it was
Speaker 1: a run. It was just I mean, it's not even
Speaker 1: a run when you have hill like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're bear crawling. It is what it is. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I've asked for this for years, kids, because
Speaker 1: it's very different than it was back in the day.
Speaker 1: But now you can say you're still challenging, still challenging
Speaker 1: enough to be like I don't I don't ever want
Speaker 1: to do it again, but I will if I get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, now that I've done that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's something happens when you finish it, like regardless of
Speaker 1: your place to be, Like, we all just went through
Speaker 1: some ship. Yeah there is, and you can see that
Speaker 1: and everybody was super proud of themselves when they were
Speaker 1: out there. And you have to be like no matter
Speaker 1: what place you come in, you have to be because
Speaker 1: you're doing things that other people have never done. You're
Speaker 1: running a race that is so unique. Every final is
Speaker 1: different from the next and the only people who have
Speaker 1: shared that experience with you or the people are the finalists.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk to yes because he had
Speaker 1: a phenomenal season. He definitely had a way of dodging
Speaker 1: very important like a moment and avoiding livations. So I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. He also was an amazing captain.
Speaker 1: He was an amazing partner for me, an amazing friend
Speaker 1: and still is. So that kind of when you like
Speaker 1: you like when you meet those kinds of friends, soul
Speaker 1: friends in these houses and you're like, well you're stuff
Speaker 1: with me for life. You feel different about them, so
Speaker 1: you champion them. You want them to do well. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to talk to yes, yes, yes, Yes.
Speaker 1: On the count of three, we're going to say yes
Speaker 1: for yes to come in here one to yes. All right, Tory,
Speaker 1: we are at my favorite part of the podcast where
Speaker 1: we get to interview someone, and today we have the
Speaker 1: pleasure of interviewing my friend, one of probably the nicest
Speaker 1: men to ever grace this show, um, one of the
Speaker 1: most humble, best, best ship talker to one self, and
Speaker 1: the winner of this season of the Challenge. Also is welcome. Yes, Stuffy,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. What a pleasure to hang
Speaker 1: out with you too. Ah. Yes, Anisa talks about you
Speaker 1: all the time, literally since the moment she met you.
Speaker 1: She was like, listen, you need to hear about this
Speaker 1: guy Yes, And I was like, what. I didn't know
Speaker 1: your name was Yes, So it was confusing it for
Speaker 1: like two seconds, and then she told me, and then
Speaker 1: I got to learn about you. Watched you on the show.
Speaker 1: You're incredible, man, Like, not not only are you the
Speaker 1: Challenge champion right like for sure, but you're the very
Speaker 1: first Challenge All Stars champion. Ever, how does that feel?
Speaker 1: That was fun? Oh? It was great. You know. It
Speaker 1: takes it takes a team to to climb these mountains
Speaker 1: as as we all know, so you know, every step
Speaker 1: of the way there was homies and advice and experience
Speaker 1: and friendship and the Nissa and Durraill and everybody who
Speaker 1: came through to sort of pile each other on top.
Speaker 1: And I just wound up to be the one that's
Speaker 1: on the top of the top of the mountain. But
Speaker 1: we actually of us finalists made it to the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain too, so that was amazing. Um, it
Speaker 1: was just so much. It was fun, it was grueling.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just fun. It was winning is fun. The
Speaker 1: rest that's just it was just a hell of herd.
Speaker 1: It's just how it goes. It was. It definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: Now you're a part of like I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the first time we've done anything like this with like
Speaker 1: old school challengers, if you will. But how does it
Speaker 1: feel to represent, you know, this style of the challenge.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still challenging, it's still hard, but you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing with different people, We're playing with the people
Speaker 1: that started this. For me, I think people came through
Speaker 1: with so many different life skills that it's a whole
Speaker 1: different game. Because everybody that showed up has has been.
Speaker 1: They've been they did it twenty years ago, they've been
Speaker 1: thinking about how they would do it again. They've been
Speaker 1: voted off, they've made little mistakes. They know that it's
Speaker 1: all about it's a mix of luck, it's a mix
Speaker 1: of preparedness, it's about social relationships, about your game, all that,
Speaker 1: and so everybody, there's nobody coming out of the dark
Speaker 1: here just kind of who's gonna go nuts and and
Speaker 1: and lose. Everybody here came to win. They know that
Speaker 1: this is their shot, and so uh, you know, in
Speaker 1: that regard, I think that was That's the big struggle,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it so exciting. And that's what
Speaker 1: makes the competition so so real. It's because everybody showed
Speaker 1: up to take it at the top. You know, we're
Speaker 1: all so busy, we all got all this stuff going
Speaker 1: on in our lives. You know, we're not just some
Speaker 1: nineteen year olds jumping over here for fun to just
Speaker 1: see if we could do it right. Yeah. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: mean so many people. Everybody's story was me leaving, you know,
Speaker 1: leaving a family, or leaving like something very important at home,
Speaker 1: or like Johnny just had a baby seven months ago,
Speaker 1: and you know she puts herself out there. So it
Speaker 1: is an incredible thing to watch all of you guys
Speaker 1: come back and try this again, and it's not the
Speaker 1: only one person one like Honestly watching that, I wish
Speaker 1: all of you guys could have walked away with money.
Speaker 1: But you know, yes, you did it. You when it
Speaker 1: came down to a you're the one that crossed the
Speaker 1: finish line first. You had enough points to win that
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars And the people want to know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you do with your winnings? That's an insane
Speaker 1: amount of money that you are well deserving of, but
Speaker 1: what is what were you like, what were your plans
Speaker 1: to do with it? Oh it's all in bitcoin. Oh my,
Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. So that's my brother would do
Speaker 1: with it? No, no, Um, well, I were still figuring
Speaker 1: that out, you know. For me as an architect and
Speaker 1: an activist, you know, throughout my career, I've started a
Speaker 1: number of nonprofits UM and worked for a number of
Speaker 1: nonprofits aimed at fighting for social justice through the design
Speaker 1: of affordable housing and UM. For me, you know, I
Speaker 1: really think of this as a five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: sort of grant or Accelerator grant to accelerate the social
Speaker 1: impact of our work and hopefully, um we can put
Speaker 1: a big dent in this housing crisis. That's my goal.
Speaker 1: That's what we've gotta do. I mean, there's over a
Speaker 1: half million people we talk about half billion dollars, over
Speaker 1: a half million people were homeless. That's in America. So
Speaker 1: we still got problems to solve. We can do it
Speaker 1: in our lifetime. And that's where I've dedicated my career
Speaker 1: and that's where you know, anything I earned along the way,
Speaker 1: that's where it goes. I hope that people listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast, like this episode in particular, because when I
Speaker 1: explain how great you are, I don't think people really
Speaker 1: get it until they hear Like most people like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I like bought a house and like day whatever,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, no, I kind of like want
Speaker 1: to do other ship outside of myself and it's really
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. And the selfless acts, you know,
Speaker 1: and the kindness and the mindfulness that you have, it's
Speaker 1: just incredible. Yeah, well so well deserved. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: why it's so easy to root for you and want
Speaker 1: the best for you and to be your friends because
Speaker 1: you're you're fucking great. I just believe in everybody. I
Speaker 1: believe in humanity, you know, And I also just believe
Speaker 1: that where I've got to be Now, it's like like
Speaker 1: I said before, it's not all on my own accord.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom busted or asked, my dad bust
Speaker 1: or asked, my stepparents busted their asses, and you know,
Speaker 1: I see all these people around here working their asses off.
Speaker 1: So I just think that I'm part of this bigger team,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's in America or in other countries too,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all We're all part of this struggle,
Speaker 1: you know, but to do good and be good and
Speaker 1: kick some ass along the way. I love that you
Speaker 1: absolutely deserve it. And I hope that you went home
Speaker 1: and you just celebrated with your family. We got to
Speaker 1: see pictures of your kids and your beautiful wife. I mean,
Speaker 1: how happy were they when you keep through me a party,
Speaker 1: tell her about the challenge confidential with him not telling
Speaker 1: them any one when he got home. Wait, what that's right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I didn't tell So I didn't tell my wife
Speaker 1: until I actually like saw her in person. So I
Speaker 1: didn't tell her when I was flying. I didn't tell
Speaker 1: her at the airport on the phone or nothing, but
Speaker 1: I like cocked in the door and then we talked.
Speaker 1: We talked like all night. Of course, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta meet any So she's still, she's cool, she's
Speaker 1: the homie, you know, she's you know, we're all family.
Speaker 1: And then um, and then I were like, well, what
Speaker 1: do we do with the kids, because the kids are
Speaker 1: in her first grade in the fourth grade, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna just tell everybody. So I didn't tell my kids,
Speaker 1: and so I didn't tell him until they watched. So
Speaker 1: they watched it unfold and just like my friends too,
Speaker 1: we didn't tell anybody. And Nikki really really likes to
Speaker 1: go buy all the rules. We're a good team. We're
Speaker 1: starting opposites. I like to break the rules and change
Speaker 1: the rules and fix the rules. I don't know, and
Speaker 1: she she's like, we gotta go buy this all the rules. Okay.
Speaker 1: So um, we didn't tell them until they watched the
Speaker 1: final episode. They actually didn't think I was gonna win.
Speaker 1: Even towards the end, they're like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: might take it. And then my oldest son in my
Speaker 1: nine year old just jumping going crazy and he starts crying.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just, ah, that's going to make me cry,
Speaker 1: and he's just crying. He's like, God, I didn't know
Speaker 1: you could cry from joy. I was like, you can't.
Speaker 1: That's what I did when you were born. You know,
Speaker 1: That's what I did. When I think about them, I
Speaker 1: could cry just thinking about So it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: very most that's what he did. Yeah, he was crying
Speaker 1: like wow, you know, and he was he was proud.
Speaker 1: They're tripping. It was fun. We had doughnuts and mats
Speaker 1: and balloons. Oh that's so beautiful. Man. We're over here
Speaker 1: tearing up. And this is so different because when I
Speaker 1: first met, Yes, I feel like I cheated myself. I
Speaker 1: mean that we met in two thousand three. We were children, children,
Speaker 1: and we were the guys were in a separate house
Speaker 1: and the girls, which I think helped to keep our
Speaker 1: friendships kind of separate because we didn't really get to
Speaker 1: hang out as much. But these were a little bit
Speaker 1: like a part yeah, and then connected at all. You
Speaker 1: went home early, and then you come back a million
Speaker 1: years later, and then you went a whole thing like
Speaker 1: did you expect with that kind of a Brick. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy who's on the He's
Speaker 1: on the beach like training for this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're doing battle ropes. He's like, what are those? I'm like,
Speaker 1: what you just did on the beach, no clue, Just
Speaker 1: like lifting ship, things have no idea. You go from
Speaker 1: two thousand three Battle the Sexes, you come on all stars.
Speaker 1: What was your expectation. I still hadn't seen a lot
Speaker 1: of it, and I love it. Respected I had seen
Speaker 1: some of it, but I didn't know um, so of course,
Speaker 1: I mean, I YouTube the heck out of it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm at home like doing my like doing pushups
Speaker 1: and whatnot, trying to imagine myself getting stronger and losing
Speaker 1: weight from all this COVID weight um and winning this thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm watching all the highlights of every elimination, all
Speaker 1: the highlights of all the puzzles, all the different individual highlights.
Speaker 1: And I did what I could and sort of my
Speaker 1: own work, you know who's who. And there's just so
Speaker 1: many challenges out there, and there's so many different competitions
Speaker 1: and so many things that could happen. But I was
Speaker 1: just I was excited about it all and trying to
Speaker 1: just manifest some success. I was extremely intimidated figuring because
Speaker 1: the last time I did it that I was voted off.
Speaker 1: And it was really just like they were like, all right, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, you went around the world on semester and
Speaker 1: see you had a good trip. You went and won
Speaker 1: the battle, you wentn't one challenge two thousand won a
Speaker 1: new car with Veronika. Okay, well you know you're good
Speaker 1: to go. And I was seen as someone who was
Speaker 1: one of the big winners back in two thousand three.
Speaker 1: I had one one of the biggest prizes, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: so they're like, all right, see you later, and I
Speaker 1: just like, I'll probably show up this time and everyone
Speaker 1: be like, all right, yes, see you later. But wow,
Speaker 1: and yeah, but you know what the politics is. It
Speaker 1: is so important to do your homework into like learn,
Speaker 1: like coming back into the game because it really has
Speaker 1: changed over the years. You know. I went back and
Speaker 1: I watched all the seasons, and I mean, I would
Speaker 1: love to go back and party with you guys, because
Speaker 1: that ship looks fucking fun. But you know, it's gotten
Speaker 1: so intense over the years and it's awesome. But the
Speaker 1: one thing about the game is like, the political aspect
Speaker 1: is really intense, and you had a great political game,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it had a lot to
Speaker 1: do with you just being a great person. I had
Speaker 1: to try, you know. I actually figured the political game
Speaker 1: is where I'll lose, you know, if we got to
Speaker 1: run and climb and do all this crazy stuff. I
Speaker 1: have fun doing all that. But because I don't have
Speaker 1: relationships like most others, I knew that, um, I can't
Speaker 1: play that game. So I just came anti political game.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna show up and try
Speaker 1: to make some friends. Yeah, exactly, and then if you
Speaker 1: send me home as a friend, that's fine. You send
Speaker 1: me home the first day, that's fine. But I showed
Speaker 1: up and I made some friends, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: let me just be who am I? You know, here
Speaker 1: we are in the middle of his pandemic, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who am I now? And I'm all so as as
Speaker 1: a as a dad coming out of just raising these
Speaker 1: babies and now they're getting older, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is my identity? Now? What am I? Who would I?
Speaker 1: Because how would I even explain myself to the world
Speaker 1: right now? I don't really know what that is because
Speaker 1: I know it's not my thirty year old self. And
Speaker 1: I know it's not my twenty year old self. I
Speaker 1: can't do all that anymore, and I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a lot of that. Um I'm an architect, yes,
Speaker 1: I do a lot of photo a house, like I'm
Speaker 1: an activisty, but what does that really mean? And so
Speaker 1: to meet a whole new circle of friends and try
Speaker 1: to explain who I am, who I understand myself to
Speaker 1: be as a wonderful challenge. Um, that to me was
Speaker 1: the challenge. And then to just to be as real
Speaker 1: as I could be. It sounds kind of stupid, I
Speaker 1: guess not, but I just was like, let's try, let's
Speaker 1: just try to be real. I don't know, I just try. Wait.
Speaker 1: It's like when you don't have your cell phone every day,
Speaker 1: you don't have your circle of friends that you've built
Speaker 1: up around you, or you I don't have my family
Speaker 1: or my home that I've built around me. It's just me. Um,
Speaker 1: You've really got to try how and make friends and
Speaker 1: reach out and do your best. And that was what
Speaker 1: I did, and luckily I encountered I just just encountered
Speaker 1: great people along the entire way. So stay one, get
Speaker 1: to know Anissa, the rest easy. You know, It's like that,
Speaker 1: that's just that's level one, you know. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: need those rocks like he Yeah. I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you were like that piece for them,
Speaker 1: just because there was something that was like constant. There
Speaker 1: was no like second guessing you or even being like,
Speaker 1: oh I wonder if I'm gonna get today, or I
Speaker 1: wonder if yes would lie to me, or like there
Speaker 1: was no uncertainty, there's no paranoise surrounding like who you
Speaker 1: are as a person. And I think that I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just hard to it's gotta love. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't think everybody's
Speaker 1: personalities for everybody, that's unrealistic. But there was something about
Speaker 1: you that was so grounding and so pleasant that like
Speaker 1: it made my time. They're awesome, And I know that
Speaker 1: it was great for other people to be around because
Speaker 1: people feed off of that hopefully what they do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what we share that don't want to be happy right, right,
Speaker 1: and so right, and then we all go through the
Speaker 1: moments of struggle and concern and anxiety there. So that's
Speaker 1: why I was just trying to point it out. I
Speaker 1: was trying to be like, try to stay on the
Speaker 1: positive and be like, oh, look at that, or some
Speaker 1: people did a lot of really cool, great things. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't always amplify those we amplify. We get worried
Speaker 1: if someone lies or if someone might be lying, that's
Speaker 1: that's ten conversations. If someone like makes somebody breakfast, that's
Speaker 1: like one conversation. If somebody mentions it. So I try
Speaker 1: to amplify what I see, what I wanted to be,
Speaker 1: you know, and what I want, what we hope to be.
Speaker 1: And people appreciate that, and people do more and more.
Speaker 1: You know. It's not like I walk around just being
Speaker 1: doing good things all the time. Now I was like
Speaker 1: people go around doing good things all the time. I
Speaker 1: would just talk. I would just call it out, and
Speaker 1: it took apreciate it, you know, and to appreciate what
Speaker 1: we're doing and change. What do you think is wild too,
Speaker 1: is we change along the way. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: long trip. When we're out there, a lot of stuff happens.
Speaker 1: We change and evolve along the way. You know. I
Speaker 1: definitely did. My wife kind of knew it. She knew
Speaker 1: it before I knew it, um, you know, she wrote,
Speaker 1: she wrote me a number of notes that I would
Speaker 1: read along the way when I was out there, and um,
Speaker 1: I brought one with me that was that for the
Speaker 1: final which kind of just brought me through. But it
Speaker 1: was wild. I mean, she's this, this is it here. Actually,
Speaker 1: this scrappy little piece of paper, um, you know, chucks
Speaker 1: into the the the spandex we wear, you know, and
Speaker 1: it says like she said, she said, I can't even
Speaker 1: read it all, but it was like the new friends,
Speaker 1: the new complexities and the learning. I'm excited for you,
Speaker 1: the laughter, the learning some more, the growth, the memories
Speaker 1: for him, she said, you will come back fresh and new,
Speaker 1: even more unique than before. Shiny. I'm excited to meet
Speaker 1: that knew you and welcome you. Huh. I wish you joy,
Speaker 1: adventure and thriving. I would love the new you. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, stopping stopping. What a gem out there, just
Speaker 1: changing and growing. He's been winning in life. They've been winning.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you're like the guest that keeps on winning.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love it too. So amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible that you have such you had
Speaker 1: such an amazing experience and that we were able to
Speaker 1: watch that and then especially diving deeper right now, I
Speaker 1: mean like an amazing support system. Yeah, It's just it's
Speaker 1: really awesome. And I think that that's so important and
Speaker 1: super inspiring to anybody who maybe like wants to find
Speaker 1: that in life, just like seeing your journey and hearing
Speaker 1: more from you, Like people need that and like that
Speaker 1: is that's goals right there. So, like you said, even
Speaker 1: if you didn't win, coming home to that and having
Speaker 1: a relationship like that with somebody who's just going to
Speaker 1: be there to like accept you for whatever experience you've
Speaker 1: gone through and grown through, it's just incredible. So I
Speaker 1: want to meet your wife center an edible arrangement. Damn it,
Speaker 1: the opposite happened because she's struggling at home because I
Speaker 1: normally got the kids during Zoom school and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So her her grind was a completely different grind while
Speaker 1: I was gone. And so for me coming home, that's
Speaker 1: also inspiration to win, because I was like, well, my
Speaker 1: wife is putting in the triple triple duty over here, Um,
Speaker 1: I better not show up empty handed. So in those
Speaker 1: long nights of no sleep and the Carolina Reapers and
Speaker 1: all the craziness of the trail out there. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I know I got to bring something home. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean and like going through that final you know,
Speaker 1: just to go back to that because it was so intense.
Speaker 1: What do you think the most difficult part was for you? Um,
Speaker 1: Nisa knows because we were partnered up for that craziness
Speaker 1: it was it was you think, goodness, it was less
Speaker 1: difficult because Anissa was there. Let me just say that, Um,
Speaker 1: we're partnered up and we are eating Carolina Reapers and
Speaker 1: racing up this mountain and good thing. I saw Durrell
Speaker 1: about and finally when you see see it all air
Speaker 1: that Durrell actually had it as bad as I did.
Speaker 1: He was calling far medic and everything too, because that's
Speaker 1: the way I felt. So when I was a Nissa
Speaker 1: and I are, you know, we're chained up heading up
Speaker 1: the mountain and she's just going for She she's not
Speaker 1: hurting like I was, but I was like I was losing.
Speaker 1: It was like I ate some psychedelic mushrooms mixed with
Speaker 1: like police grade tear gas in my stomach and he
Speaker 1: had to hype, I'm this mountain, I'm as losing it.
Speaker 1: I can't even literally see where I was going. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sitting there trying to tell the only
Speaker 1: thing that worked really was like my mouth, so I
Speaker 1: need to probably remember what I'm just like talking to myself.
Speaker 1: But she thought I was talking about what it was.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he a chance and he just kept
Speaker 1: going over and over. It was weird. I mean, we
Speaker 1: killed that puzzle, like we killed it. That was for us,
Speaker 1: but it was just yeah, I just remember and well
Speaker 1: you were he you were holding no down because I
Speaker 1: remember just being like I started saying like I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh feeling it. I'm tired. I think I keep going
Speaker 1: and I just go, we got this, and You're like,
Speaker 1: I know, And I was like, I know we got that.
Speaker 1: You like I know, I like we got I don't know.
Speaker 1: You was so positively like you didn't know how to
Speaker 1: tell me. I was like, sorry, I'm just telling myself.
Speaker 1: Like her self confidence was like all all there. He
Speaker 1: didn't need any other like we could do this. She
Speaker 1: was red and he was like, no, I know, we
Speaker 1: got this. And I was like thank you, and so
Speaker 1: that was had to I love that. Well, she killed
Speaker 1: those Carolina Reapers. But and you guys both killed the
Speaker 1: eating challenge. Do you feel like the the meat plate
Speaker 1: was worse than the Carolina Reaper? The meat plate was
Speaker 1: the only thing the whole trip that I doubted myself on.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, yeah, you know I could. I get
Speaker 1: excited about all the challenges. I get excited about even
Speaker 1: seeing them, eliminations and all that, I get excited. There
Speaker 1: is no excitement in seeing the plate a nasty food
Speaker 1: from my face. And I know, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do. I thought for sure, I
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was gonna do, you know,
Speaker 1: pull a festie or something. I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 1: went for it. Ship you know that we talk Ruthie.
Speaker 1: It actually was Ruthie. Ruthie was like, this is fine. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like she was a perfect partner at the perfect time
Speaker 1: and that's the way it always worked out. But Ruthie
Speaker 1: was like, this is fine, and she's chilling, And to
Speaker 1: see her like just at ease and enjoying it, that
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I can do this. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: my brain is telling me to not do it, but
Speaker 1: she's doing it. So you were saying, you know, like
Speaker 1: having the perfect partner at the perfect time do you
Speaker 1: have of anybody or any particular moment when you felt
Speaker 1: like that was your favorite partner or that you needed
Speaker 1: that person in that moment every single time. So it
Speaker 1: was like Jimmy rowing with Jimmy was the bomb. She
Speaker 1: is so she's good, she's got just like she's got
Speaker 1: that grit down. She will, you know. But I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Then I saw Jimmy eating the chili peppers and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm glad I wasn't with Jemmy at
Speaker 1: that time. She's like crawling on the ground. So like
Speaker 1: it just was the perfect people, perfect time, you know, um,
Speaker 1: every time, So picking the partners really matters. You don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get into, but it was really
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of strategy there. Um.
Speaker 1: I love would have run to love to run with
Speaker 1: with some of the guys too. Of course they're friends
Speaker 1: and and foes and competitors. You know, I would have
Speaker 1: loved to also team up with them somehow. But but
Speaker 1: now every partner worked out. Actually, and even Ruthie. I
Speaker 1: thought I screwed it up. When we got to the food,
Speaker 1: I was like, I left Ruthie to pick at the
Speaker 1: end because I thought that. But before we got to
Speaker 1: the food, I was like, Ruthie, I know, like, I've
Speaker 1: never seen her really get tired, and I've always seen
Speaker 1: her smile, like whenever it's harder and harder, she's smiling
Speaker 1: and sort of laughing through things. And I was like,
Speaker 1: she'd be great to run with laughs. I don't care
Speaker 1: what we do, she'll be smiling. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I love that. Um. But then we get to the
Speaker 1: food and I was like, oh my god, of course
Speaker 1: I picked the smallest person here to eat a giant
Speaker 1: plate of food. And I was like, well, that was
Speaker 1: a mistake. And then it wasn't a mistake because actually
Speaker 1: was the complete opposite. She was like, here's what you do. Yes,
Speaker 1: you mix the good food with the bad food all
Speaker 1: in one bite and then you're fine. I was like,
Speaker 1: what if I just chasting part first, you know. But
Speaker 1: you know, she's always been good at eating, though she
Speaker 1: always has eaten like a lot of different um like
Speaker 1: delicacy is like she's just mature. I just think it
Speaker 1: was the amount of food that was unbelievable. That aunt
Speaker 1: wasn't what it was, It was how much there was
Speaker 1: exactly it was so much food. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: it was. That was just too much. It was fucking rude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was crazy, dude amount of food. Yeah. Yeah, honestly
Speaker 1: it made me hungry for barbecue. Obviously it's discussing and
Speaker 1: if I would have been there, but right now I'm
Speaker 1: craving barbecue. It would have been good if it were
Speaker 1: hot the whole time. Yes, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Have you eaten meat since? Oh? Nothing like that. I
Speaker 1: still I'm not a big adventurous either at all, so no,
Speaker 1: I beat my usual. I had yogurt and granola for breakfast.
Speaker 1: I keep it simple. I don't. My son's adventurous either,
Speaker 1: not me. But anyway, I plowed through it. That was fine,
Speaker 1: I don't know, luckily, and I didn't throw up, so
Speaker 1: I think that actually helped me the next day a lot,
Speaker 1: because I had a full stomach too. Like I I
Speaker 1: felt strong. I felt strong that next morning when the
Speaker 1: sun came up, I felt strong. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: throwing up all night or whatever. I felt good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was tired. But what was your
Speaker 1: strategy for staying um like up overnight? You seem to
Speaker 1: be one of the only people that like actually had
Speaker 1: a really positive attitude about it. Is it because of
Speaker 1: your experience with like sleeping in caves and stuff? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Funny's like I sleep in caves, you know, just
Speaker 1: real talk. I slept this cave one time, and I
Speaker 1: was warm, and that snow cave, and that's just you know,
Speaker 1: that was very different than being freezing outside, you know,
Speaker 1: with on this weird little mechanical platform thing that you
Speaker 1: can't move on, shivering cold, and so, um, I was cold.
Speaker 1: My toes are frozen. I was calm, but I was
Speaker 1: definitely wondering at which point like hypothermia kicks in because
Speaker 1: it was that cold. You know, we were all cold.
Speaker 1: It was my toes are frozen. I've never had my
Speaker 1: toes that cold in my whole life. I don't care
Speaker 1: what mountaintop I've been on. So it's because I don't
Speaker 1: hike mountaintops and sleep overnight and running shoes that I
Speaker 1: have gear and no one does, you know, So that's different.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and that's bag. I'm sorry. That was not
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag. That was. That was like they went
Speaker 1: to the ninety nine cent store in Argentina and bought
Speaker 1: that for us, but we had a you know, I
Speaker 1: still you know, nobody died. You know, the struggle was real,
Speaker 1: but nobody got frost By. It's just all psychological at
Speaker 1: that point. So so when they first approach you about
Speaker 1: the show, what were your thoughts and did you say yes?
Speaker 1: Yes immediately? I said, I said yeah immediately, just to
Speaker 1: see what happens. I did not expect it to actually happen.
Speaker 1: I was just like, let's see what happens. I'm down,
Speaker 1: you know. And a motto of mine came from a friend,
Speaker 1: an old friend. Actually I met him on semester at
Speaker 1: sea UM when I was on road rules. Who was
Speaker 1: trust before suspicion, So you know, I just trusted. I
Speaker 1: was like, you want to bring me along for this ride,
Speaker 1: Let's go, and then if you look into the details
Speaker 1: later and figure out, ah, you know, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta be careful here. Then I started getting careful and
Speaker 1: wondering if I could do it or not. But no,
Speaker 1: I was down on. I mean, I I've seen enough
Speaker 1: of it where I'm like, I want to do that.
Speaker 1: Just like when I first saw roads before I was on,
Speaker 1: it was like I want to do that. I've seen
Speaker 1: that I want to try that. Who is that person?
Speaker 1: Who is that person? I want to compete with them?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in and I was just thankful to
Speaker 1: be considered a competitor. Yeah, but I feel like you're
Speaker 1: just such an adventurer naturally, even just hearing about the
Speaker 1: things you do in your off time and you're like lifestyle,
Speaker 1: So it's just it makes sense for someone like you
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, like why not give it a try?
Speaker 1: And it's awesome that you were able to come on
Speaker 1: the show and then obviously win the entire thing. And
Speaker 1: it's so funny because in the beginning of this episode,
Speaker 1: we always have like a play of the day, and
Speaker 1: I have to give you talking about one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that you did in the final I have
Speaker 1: to give you the play of the day because you
Speaker 1: took some time while you were in that second place
Speaker 1: spot climbing up that last mountain to remove your clothing
Speaker 1: so that way you can make sure that you weren't
Speaker 1: going to overheat. And that was so I think that
Speaker 1: was probably one of the most important things anybody could
Speaker 1: have done, because is that was strategy in that moment
Speaker 1: that could have potentially been the reason that you were
Speaker 1: able to get that lead. So like, what what went
Speaker 1: through your head that made you want to do that?
Speaker 1: Was it experience or was it just something that kind
Speaker 1: of in the moment took over. I'd say so that
Speaker 1: was definitely experience. That that was something I brought. I'd
Speaker 1: say as experience and as someone who likes the mountains, um, definitely,
Speaker 1: or any athlete, you know, you know you don't want
Speaker 1: to overheat. You gotta have the right gear for the
Speaker 1: right time, or else you lose too much water and
Speaker 1: you cramp up and you know, you lose it. So
Speaker 1: for me, and I saw the sun coming out, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna get hotter and hotter. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many hours we're gonna be on that mountain,
Speaker 1: so um, I just knew it was getting hotter and hotter.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna be fine. But that said, you know, everything,
Speaker 1: every bit of data in my brain is open source,
Speaker 1: and I shared it with everyone. You know, Mark walks By,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, Mark, grab some sticks, take some
Speaker 1: of those clothes off, and let's go. And he's grabbed
Speaker 1: some sticks. And you know, same with Darrell. You know,
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember talking ship to him. But it's
Speaker 1: true that I did, obviously, but which is fun because
Speaker 1: we always talk ship. But um, I also was like, hey, Durrell,
Speaker 1: take some of those clothes off, pick that hat off,
Speaker 1: you know. Apparently he loves to run with his hat
Speaker 1: and he loves his hat on. And I get it
Speaker 1: because the sun is bright, so you don't want a
Speaker 1: sunburn on your head either, so that's smart. But I
Speaker 1: was like, take that hat off, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: always just trying to like help out. You know, probably
Speaker 1: wasn't really welcome welcome suggestions, but that's all right. I mean,
Speaker 1: this wasn't the only time you talked during the I
Speaker 1: mean you waited bring out ship. Talking yes, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you, talking yes is my one of my
Speaker 1: favorite sides of yes you even you even go as
Speaker 1: far as say, I'll take on those punks from those
Speaker 1: other shows too. Now do you stand by that? And
Speaker 1: would you ever do a show on MTV? I big game? Um,
Speaker 1: you know before suspicion. You know I'm game. Yeah, I'm game.
Speaker 1: I'm always up for adventure when lose, draw, fail, whatever,
Speaker 1: would leave it all out on the mat. I love
Speaker 1: it absolutely, and you know what I think clearly, like
Speaker 1: you're you're up for it. You've proved yourself this season,
Speaker 1: and I think that, yeah, you have, you'd you'd be
Speaker 1: an incredible competitor to be definitely would work with you guy,
Speaker 1: Hey be my friend, will be your friend. So the
Speaker 1: only thing I'd say some of my partners didn't like
Speaker 1: is when I started sharing strategy. You know, I started
Speaker 1: helping out people and people are like, hey, why what
Speaker 1: you close your mouth? Yes you what's you're sharing here?
Speaker 1: Get that? Um? Yeah, Johnny, you know weird. I was like,
Speaker 1: who needs help fixing their putting their backs? She got
Speaker 1: Johnny is like, no, you don't. She grabbed the chain
Speaker 1: and like pulled me along. It's amazing. I was mad.
Speaker 1: I could have used that when pedal fell off or
Speaker 1: when my brakes didn't work. You were the only person
Speaker 1: in the final to know how to tighten breaks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only one. Yeah, I don't know how to breaks.
Speaker 1: I need to go home and learn that. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: show you right, yes that that this is this is
Speaker 1: a learning moment we all learned together. Yeah. Absolutely, so
Speaker 1: from somebody like you. You're a challenge champ now and
Speaker 1: there's so many people who will fight and will continue
Speaker 1: to fight to have that title in that crown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what's one piece of advice you would give to
Speaker 1: other competitors? Um oh, advice to other that's funny. I
Speaker 1: actually never had you never got an opportunity to giving me.
Speaker 1: I'm always like vacuuming up advice. That's pretty much my role.
Speaker 1: Um other advice, I don't know. Everyone comes to their
Speaker 1: own special way. I don't know, I don't have I
Speaker 1: don't think applying my way to someone else's way is
Speaker 1: going to get the same result. I'd say appreciating others
Speaker 1: for their strengths and to amplify their strengths as the way,
Speaker 1: because um that that's key. And obviously, of course lifting
Speaker 1: up other people and beating them at their best is
Speaker 1: really just the most fun anyway. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's fun. But I know some people would other just
Speaker 1: like hack at your knees and win. But that's their
Speaker 1: way too. That's fine. I mean, that's just part of
Speaker 1: the diversity of the game, you know. It's it's so
Speaker 1: it's good that it's diverse too. I think it's great
Speaker 1: that we have these complex people and complex strategies and
Speaker 1: complex personalities all in this crazy melting pot. I think
Speaker 1: that's key. I appreciate that. Um. No, and every you know,
Speaker 1: and every game is different, so who knows what the
Speaker 1: next game is. There's no one size for anything, you know,
Speaker 1: but open mind and of course, you know, leaning on
Speaker 1: other I think relying on others as key. No one
Speaker 1: does this alone. They might say they wanted alone, but
Speaker 1: you know, we all were a we're a big team.
Speaker 1: Although we compete every day and send each other home, right,
Speaker 1: so that's the weirdness of it all, but we're we're
Speaker 1: a happy team, and so that we vote you in
Speaker 1: and send you home and then for a little while. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, no permanent damage. Sometimes there is people showing
Speaker 1: up with these crooked angers and busted up hands and
Speaker 1: surgeries and enough of that war wounds. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: wear them with with honor. Yeah, and regret. Speaking of regrets,
Speaker 1: what move you most proud of this season? And if
Speaker 1: you have any regrets, what are they? Mm hmm, that's
Speaker 1: interesting the good questions, Um, good ones, But move and
Speaker 1: I most proud of I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 1: of it as a as a move. Well, okay, I
Speaker 1: can't know. Here's a move. Um, it was just not
Speaker 1: being shy about stuff, trying not to be shy and
Speaker 1: introverted or judgmental about stuff and be in my head
Speaker 1: about stuff. Um. I what I did every day was,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit against my own my own habits,
Speaker 1: but what I did every day was to just get
Speaker 1: up and be social and talk to people and meet
Speaker 1: people and hear their stories and and um and share
Speaker 1: my stories and just constantly put myself out there because
Speaker 1: time is so short and normally I chill a little
Speaker 1: bit more and I think I'm a little more introverted
Speaker 1: and I warm up to people a little more slowly.
Speaker 1: But I was like no, So for me, I'm proud
Speaker 1: of that as an individual who was like coming out
Speaker 1: of his you know, pandemic, you know, cocoon, and also
Speaker 1: just trying to not be so shy and be brave.
Speaker 1: I mean, people like, oh, you're confident and everything, but no,
Speaker 1: like it takes that morning effort every day to be confident.
Speaker 1: And then friends around you like a Nisa and others
Speaker 1: who are like, you're cool, come hang out with us.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, thanks, you know, give me out of
Speaker 1: my get me out of my head, which is good.
Speaker 1: So that was a good move. I think that that
Speaker 1: was that was key for me and in my way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh and it regrets regrets throughout the season, any big regrets.
Speaker 1: I don't have any, Like, I don't remember any um
Speaker 1: big big regrets. I don't have, you know. Luck, That
Speaker 1: was actually key for me coming out. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything I'd ever regret. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all know the legacy that comes with twenty years
Speaker 1: of having done one stupid thing on television. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: becomes this these ghosts, this ghost will follow you around
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. So like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't do anything dumb. And I don't mean don't
Speaker 1: do anything dramatic or anything like that. You know, we
Speaker 1: can be dramatic, we can get into arguments, so we
Speaker 1: can get into conflicts. That's all part of the game.
Speaker 1: Resolution is key. I think that's important here. Discussion is key.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like lay Low, I'm just saying, don't
Speaker 1: I don't try not to do anything you might regret.
Speaker 1: That's my thought. I don't know. I still would probably
Speaker 1: do stuff I'd regret, but I don't know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think like when you win, it's like even if
Speaker 1: you had to do things that maybe you weren't necessarily
Speaker 1: Like you would put on a flag and put it
Speaker 1: out front of your house and be so proud of it.
Speaker 1: You just understand, Yeah, you got them, you got the bag,
Speaker 1: you secured the bag. You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: So like now that you've now that you've won, what's
Speaker 1: next for you? Um, what's next for me? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: back at home putting all these pieces back together. And
Speaker 1: from the career I've I've had for the past ten
Speaker 1: years as an architect and as an activist and and
Speaker 1: now being a little bit more on the the national stage,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful to be elevating some of these activists out there,
Speaker 1: um that that haven't had their day and light. And
Speaker 1: I just to me, that's that's the team I want
Speaker 1: to be on. I want to be amongst these group
Speaker 1: of people who who are making change, social change and
Speaker 1: thinking big and dreaming big. And this is a little
Speaker 1: piece of that. This is a little feather in the hat,
Speaker 1: and this is whatever a feather in the wing and
Speaker 1: I want to fly, you know. So, Um, that's the
Speaker 1: deal for us. I'm on the zoning board and by
Speaker 1: you know, the nerd out. I'm on the zoning board
Speaker 1: in Berkeley, and we're helping to get rid of a
Speaker 1: lot of the old racist laws that we're keeping black
Speaker 1: people from buying homes, and that we're keeping white communities
Speaker 1: white and keeping black communities black and everything in between.
Speaker 1: It was like, so that's where I'm working locally too,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm learning a lot about all this
Speaker 1: systematic madness and racism that was ingraining in our legal
Speaker 1: system that we actually can under We can actually get
Speaker 1: rid of those laws, and we can change them, and
Speaker 1: we can uplift people who have been harmed. Just like
Speaker 1: we can do that I'm on the we can also
Speaker 1: do that as public citizens. So now it's funny because
Speaker 1: on Thursday nights you can catch me voting, voting people
Speaker 1: into the arena, uh you know, on Paramount Plus. And
Speaker 1: on that same night you can catch me at the
Speaker 1: Berkeley Zoning Board voting to help progress progressive laws too.
Speaker 1: So I would vote, I would be voting twice in
Speaker 1: the night. US amazing. But I'm trying to hang with
Speaker 1: the big cats, you know, or even the young cats.
Speaker 1: Amanda Gorman is a big hero of mine. I just
Speaker 1: got her book. You know, the twenty two year old
Speaker 1: poet you know that was, Yeah, that was speaking at
Speaker 1: the inauguration. She's just amazing. And I've been i don't know,
Speaker 1: studying some of hard work too. I think she's just
Speaker 1: that her momentum is wonderful. Um shakery Richardson my new
Speaker 1: latest hero, fastest Runner in the America. It's also amazing too. Um.
Speaker 1: But I'm inspired. I don't know, I'm inspired by these
Speaker 1: people and and aspired to be great like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I just think that you're so worthy
Speaker 1: of this title. And it's honestly just an honor to
Speaker 1: hear you talk about all this stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: for every challenger, old school, new school, whoever still competing
Speaker 1: in the game and still has the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: on that screen, it just does give more deeper, a
Speaker 1: deeper perspective to how you can utilize this platform. And
Speaker 1: it really is so beautiful. So thanks for sharing everything
Speaker 1: that you've shared with us. And yeah, I mean, like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anything else we could even
Speaker 1: ask of you, like except for you to make a
Speaker 1: couple more dope humans like you and send them to Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: you know, these little youngsters so trying and they still
Speaker 1: are too in love with weapons for my liking. But
Speaker 1: that kids are kids, man, that down with that, That's
Speaker 1: that's their angle, you know. Yeah. But I'm doing my
Speaker 1: part as a dad. I do what I can, trying
Speaker 1: to also innovate in dad land and like actually do
Speaker 1: things dads don't usually do, like change diapers and all that.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, do all those things. You know, we
Speaker 1: just need to step up and support our wives and
Speaker 1: support our families and and do it in a myriad
Speaker 1: of ways and not just think that it's I think
Speaker 1: that we should be praised for it, but that it's
Speaker 1: actually our responsibility anyway, you know. Yes, if there's any
Speaker 1: way that we can follow you, support you, any organizations
Speaker 1: you want to plug, please let us know all the
Speaker 1: listeners know so that way we can support you and
Speaker 1: follow you while you're leading. Well, if you're interested in
Speaker 1: some of these shenanigans. Um it's yes on everything. That's
Speaker 1: my Instagram handle, but that's that's mainly it. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: Duff the Architects is my architecture firm. You can see
Speaker 1: some of the work I've done and others have done.
Speaker 1: Um as I've worked in affordable housing and other things. Um,
Speaker 1: but that's it. That's that's at least the way to
Speaker 1: get get a hold of me, Um, get hold of
Speaker 1: me through there. Awesome. Yes, you're the most incredible increasable
Speaker 1: See how you get me get all flustered. You are incredible.
Speaker 1: I try and tell people. I think people think maybe
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but I feel like I haven't even done
Speaker 1: you enough justice as is. So thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on talking to us and to all the listeners. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you want. I know that you
Speaker 1: will only continue to do great things and continue to
Speaker 1: inspire and uplift people and give really great hugs. And
Speaker 1: I am proud to call you a friend and I
Speaker 1: am happy to now call you the Champy Well. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. And yes, oh yes, that is
Speaker 1: another secret sauce Anissa hugs in the morning that would
Speaker 1: just start the day off properly. Tori, I know you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Oh, I know, you know
Speaker 1: it's just real, real, recognize as real, and and that
Speaker 1: is the life blood of the Challenge House and those
Speaker 1: of us that you know, I want to just open
Speaker 1: our hearts. I think that is the capital, the social
Speaker 1: capital that exists there that is more important than gold.
Speaker 1: So h and he said, you like you like platinum.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, it's good, it's good. Well, it's
Speaker 1: been such an honor to talk to both you guys,
Speaker 1: and yes, thank you so much for coming on the show,
Speaker 1: and congratulations again and we look forward to following you
Speaker 1: and supporting you and hope to see you in the future.
Speaker 1: Hope to fun. I'll jump in the game. Yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: have at it, you have at the clown or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll be different to It's I'm different now. I'm not
Speaker 1: the not the o G rookie guy anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll see a different yes if I if I'm around him,
Speaker 1: I'm a little I got more people on my team.
Speaker 1: I got more squad now sort of. So we'll see
Speaker 1: a couple of feathers and a hat. So watch out.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, well thanks, yes, all right, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, love you both, by dude. Yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: How much do you freaking love him? And I mean
Speaker 1: I love him. I want to get a yes, duffy
Speaker 1: sure I'm with yes or yes yes, t shirt, tattoos, stickers, coasters, whatever.
Speaker 1: I love him coasters. Yeah, oh man, he is amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy he was able to come on the show.
Speaker 1: And before we go, and he said, there are some
Speaker 1: things that I'm not then asking you because earlier in
Speaker 1: the episode you said you had a secret something for
Speaker 1: Challenge Confidential. Okay, well what is it? Because I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about that. So when we got to the overnight
Speaker 1: section one, I don't think they prepared for us to
Speaker 1: even be there. I don't know who tested this out,
Speaker 1: but if you see the parents and you have somebody like, um,
Speaker 1: you have Alton and Ruthie. Ruthie's like a hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: you have Kelly and who's tiny, um, and then like
Speaker 1: some of these big dudes, uh, we're on a teeter totter.
Speaker 1: There was no way that any of their little bodies
Speaker 1: could have balanced out the bigger bodies. And production had
Speaker 1: to come in, like Pia, everybody getting like our firewood
Speaker 1: and propping the beds up with firewood with fire and
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't use too much. We need the fire
Speaker 1: because we thought the fire would help us. But the
Speaker 1: fire was really so far no one could feel it
Speaker 1: because it was twenty eight degrees that night and there
Speaker 1: was frost everywhere and we had one. They gave us
Speaker 1: an extra blanket. That was it, and then they had
Speaker 1: to bring us they had to bring in coats for
Speaker 1: us because we were in like heat gear for hot weather. Um,
Speaker 1: they gave us to fire breaks for like five ten
Speaker 1: minutes because we were I mean, it wasn't okay. That's
Speaker 1: like we were winter coats and like pants that weren't
Speaker 1: like leggings. I think it would have been better or
Speaker 1: boots or whatever they give people in winter. Things were
Speaker 1: on a mountain, right, So it was awful. I was
Speaker 1: crying Kelly, it was hysterical. I thought she was gonna quit.
Speaker 1: I was crying because I was just like, how am
Speaker 1: I going to do this? So, I mean, perhaps all
Speaker 1: the guys who really like work that one out because
Speaker 1: they were really a lot of them really supportive of
Speaker 1: their partners. So that was that ship was hard. I
Speaker 1: mean you could tell because in the beginning when you
Speaker 1: guys were stepping on it, you could see like they're
Speaker 1: as moments where you were trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden when people would step
Speaker 1: off it, it just didn't move. So in my mind
Speaker 1: of like did they like prop it up. I can't
Speaker 1: believe they use firewood. Yeah, I was mad. I'm like,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna go chopped down some more God out here. Man.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, I mean, And that just goes to show,
Speaker 1: you know, we've obviously done so many challenges at this point.
Speaker 1: The producers really do think of the craziest games in
Speaker 1: like a short period of time. So they're also working
Speaker 1: on the fly, and it's such an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: be a part of because sometimes the things that they
Speaker 1: throw our away aren't exactly like they can. Well, they
Speaker 1: could have tested it with people, well not people, it's
Speaker 1: production because it's COVID the production that we're similar to
Speaker 1: our body types and it worked out for everybody, but yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows, Yeah, I don't know. Well, listen, it was
Speaker 1: an epic season and I can't wait for the next
Speaker 1: All Stars. I hope there's another one coming me too.
Speaker 1: I mean, what an awesome show, Anissa. Where can we
Speaker 1: follow you? How can we send you some d m
Speaker 1: s and let you know that you made it to
Speaker 1: a final? We're so proud of you and we absolutely
Speaker 1: love you. One. This is my third final. Just so
Speaker 1: people know, they're like one whit. That's amazing. You're gonna
Speaker 1: make it like you need to make it to a
Speaker 1: final No, it's not. Um. I also want to shout
Speaker 1: out everybody who sent me cranes. They didn't go unnoticed.
Speaker 1: Um No, I've been getting so much love my d
Speaker 1: m s. Please send them. You don't know how much
Speaker 1: uh that means to me. The support is just appreciated.
Speaker 1: And so it's Anissa MTV. That's a n E s
Speaker 1: a m TV on Instagram. I'm probably gonna delete my Twitter,
Speaker 1: so you probably won't be able to find me there,
Speaker 1: but Instagram is my spot. That's the place to be.
Speaker 1: Where can they find you? Tori? You know what, guys,
Speaker 1: if you're going to find me on Instagram, there's only
Speaker 1: one thing I want you to do. I want you
Speaker 1: to go back and re record that slow mo of
Speaker 1: a niece's but when she was running right after the
Speaker 1: Carolina repers, and I want you to d m it
Speaker 1: to me because that was one of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: in the episode. And then you put on those same
Speaker 1: pants and dance in my living room. I put those
Speaker 1: pants on a dance in the in your damn living room,
Speaker 1: and I absolutely love so if you can get me
Speaker 1: that shot, please do send it to me at Tori
Speaker 1: Underscore Deal. And yeah, we'll be back next week because
Speaker 1: we're going to cover the All Stars reunion and we're
Speaker 1: gonna answer listener questions anything that you guys want to
Speaker 1: know about the All Stars season, So make sure you've
Speaker 1: sent in those questions and watch the biggest event and
Speaker 1: Challenge history, The Challenge All Stars, streaming now exclusively on
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus Yes, And then you guys can go behind
Speaker 1: the scenes with us on antips Official Challenge Podcast.