WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: Locust House, by Adam Gnade (Part Two of Four)

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<v Speaker 1>Cal Zone Media book Club book Club book Club. Hello

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the Cool Zone Media book Club, the

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<v Speaker 1>only book club where you don't have to do the

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<v Speaker 1>reading because I do it for you. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret Kiljoy, and we are in our summer read. Our

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<v Speaker 1>four parter are long. It's not actually very long. It's

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<v Speaker 1>barely a novella. It is right on the edge between

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<v Speaker 1>novelette and novella, which is an almost meaningless distinction that

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<v Speaker 1>I only know the difference between because of or categories.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the main reason that any of these numbers matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and the distinctions between flash fiction, short stories, novelettes, novellas,

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<v Speaker 1>and novels. But this one, we're going to call it

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<v Speaker 1>a novella because it's also, you know, a social category

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just a strict word count thing. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>aside you all were really excited about hearing. We are

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<v Speaker 1>reading A Locust House by Adam Ganatti. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember part one incredibly well, well you can listen

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<v Speaker 1>to it again if you want. But also, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly less linear book than most of what we

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<v Speaker 1>read here, so don't worry about it too much. Like

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the stuff that's in part one is going to

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<v Speaker 1>come up. Especially. I feel like the payoff is really

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<v Speaker 1>for that part is in part four, the end, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to switch characters. We're going to switch to

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<v Speaker 1>new characters. Why am I procrastinating by telling you all

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<v Speaker 1>of this because there's a lot of Spanish in this one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not incredibly good at Spanish. But here we

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<v Speaker 1>go anyway. Chapter two Locust House by Adam Ganatti, Golden Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>As you move eastward from Agnes mccanty's studio apartment, which

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<v Speaker 1>sits on the crest of the hill on the far

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<v Speaker 1>west edge of the neighborhood, the streets are wide and

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<v Speaker 1>well paved and lined with cars. It's an older part

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<v Speaker 1>of town, or rather it feels older in contrast to

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<v Speaker 1>Downtown with his expensive wine bars and dance clubs, or

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<v Speaker 1>the coastal areas beach resorts sprawl. The houses in Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Hill are by and large ratty, but as lovingly well

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<v Speaker 1>maintained as a low to modest income will allow. Driving

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<v Speaker 1>up Broadway. As the numbered streets rise, you will see craftsmen, cottages, victorians,

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the sentry, bungalows, white stucco apartments in the

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<v Speaker 1>California Motels style crumbling alpine and facades, railroad apartments with

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<v Speaker 1>French ironwork gates. Inside the Victorians and craftsmens are hardwood

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<v Speaker 1>floors in varying states of repair and old glass gas

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<v Speaker 1>cabinets and big windows and window seats with a view

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<v Speaker 1>facing west of downtown and the airport in the shipyard

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<v Speaker 1>or to the northeast and south rolling hills of tar

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<v Speaker 1>shingle and orange tile rooftops. The skies are blue and cloudless,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rain comes in frequently. As with most deserts,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what San Diego is. A desert, but a

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<v Speaker 1>desert in disguise made green with the water of other

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<v Speaker 1>poorer cities. In the years since, the drought has come

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<v Speaker 1>and the beautiful lawns are gone. But a well located

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<v Speaker 1>coastal town will change in other ways. Development rolls in

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<v Speaker 1>with tourist money or the promise of it. The San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego of now is not the San Diego of then,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the San Diego of then is not the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego of decades past, when the sleepy beach neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 1>were closer to a post war America. Before that, it

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<v Speaker 1>was ranchland and marsh flats and endless dirt fields of

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<v Speaker 1>low scrub brush. Before that, the Spanish priests and the

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<v Speaker 1>mission above Old Town and further back Native people Lucienno, Caiuhia, Kupienno, Diegenno,

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<v Speaker 1>small tribes in the arid, sun baked Manzanita hills and

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<v Speaker 1>bramble land, or to the west, coastal villages with fish

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<v Speaker 1>and pelts drying on wood racks, small fires, men and

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<v Speaker 1>women pulling abalone from the tide pools. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet time when the loudest sound was the wind, which

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<v Speaker 1>came and comes mostly from the west over the sea

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<v Speaker 1>and onshore wind colder than the warm offshores from the

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<v Speaker 1>east that blow over the deserts and spark brush fires

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<v Speaker 1>and the drier rural parts of the county. On March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, two thousand two, Golden Hill is a quiet

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<v Speaker 1>part of town in a different way than in the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the Luciennos, and the development that's now spread

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<v Speaker 1>across the country has yet to change the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood here now March two thousand and two, the

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<v Speaker 1>predominant language is Spanish, and muscle cars or hot rods

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<v Speaker 1>sit in dusty driveways, next to rabbit hutches or stacks

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<v Speaker 1>of tires in the weeds or small gardens. In the evenings,

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<v Speaker 1>mariachi bands play backyard parties or birthdays or kinsignettas with

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<v Speaker 1>laughing families and candles lit on garden walls and strings

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<v Speaker 1>of light over picnic tables, window signs in Spanish and

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<v Speaker 1>out sails on pork shoulders tripe canalope. The neighborhood is

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<v Speaker 1>full of taco shops, mercados, and carnserias. Stately churches in

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<v Speaker 1>the mission style are semi Gothic. In the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>town is a laundromat with a sleeping cat in the window,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are well kept liquor stores and bars, shops

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<v Speaker 1>selling US to Mexico, phone cards and pinatas, and sturdy

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<v Speaker 1>cowboy boots. The trees are mostly palm trees and they

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<v Speaker 1>line the hilly streets like telephone poles. As you reach

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<v Speaker 1>the eastern edge of town, there are empty lots with

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<v Speaker 1>dog shit, dried white and old car batteries, and the

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<v Speaker 1>bones of cats and birds. In the ice plant and grass.

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<v Speaker 1>There are abandoned apartments, punk squats with kids outside drinking

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<v Speaker 1>forties watching you drive past. There are condemned houses covered

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<v Speaker 1>in graffiti, mostly names in elaborate jagged shapes and colorful swirls,

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<v Speaker 1>or smiling cartoon animals or exaggerated taggers with huge heads

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<v Speaker 1>and big sneakers and a can of Krylon spray paint

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<v Speaker 1>and hand. There are also political murals Caesar Chaves and

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<v Speaker 1>a sea of upturned faces Martin Luther King with a

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<v Speaker 1>finger raised defiantly next to his face, che Guvara Stormy

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<v Speaker 1>with his beard and beret, or stencils of Mexican revolutionaries

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<v Speaker 1>with rifles held above their heads and bandoliers of cartridges

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<v Speaker 1>draped across their chests. Now these are gone, along with

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<v Speaker 1>the muscle cars and rabbit touches and empty lots. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, the young professionals who work in the

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<v Speaker 1>Mission Valley and downtown offices, and the white college students

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<v Speaker 1>have moved in, and many of the Mexican families and

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<v Speaker 1>most of the punks have moved south to Logan or

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<v Speaker 1>Sherman Heights, or further still to Chula Vista or Senya Sidru.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now it's a quieter time. At night, you

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<v Speaker 1>can hear the sound of the freeway as you walk

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<v Speaker 1>down Broadway and there are neons humming from storefronts, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine yourself in nineteen fifties America walking down

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<v Speaker 1>c Street or twenty six at dusk, you will smell

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<v Speaker 1>dinner cooking albondigas, manuato bozzole, pots of beans, well peppered cherizo,

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<v Speaker 1>sopez frying in oil. James Jackson Bozick twenty six and

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<v Speaker 1>Frances Alisio twenty one walk past the shop fronts and

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<v Speaker 1>awnings lining twenty fifth Street. It's night, but most of

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<v Speaker 1>the stores are still open. They wait for traffic to clear,

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<v Speaker 1>then cross the street, passing the fruit stand closed and

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<v Speaker 1>the laundromat open. The smell of pineapples and dryer sheets

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Frances hums to herself the tune indistinct.

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<v Speaker 1>They walk arm in arm, and James thinks of his

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather's twenty two pistol on the sock drawer and the

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<v Speaker 1>dusty light through the window as he slides the drawer

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<v Speaker 1>open to look at it on his tiptoes. Six years old, Leveda, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Frances thinks of dark trees in Georgia and sky behind them.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks of the footbridge over the stream in Hinesville,

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<v Speaker 1>and ring snakes bending through the grass, and a crack

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<v Speaker 1>of lightning running in jagged crags across the sky. Eugenio Armandares,

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<v Speaker 1>forty three, sells grilled corn from a stand on twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>He wears a white T shirt with a front pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>light blue work pants, and black boots. As James and

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<v Speaker 1>Frances approach, he's thumbing through a copy of The Reader.

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<v Speaker 1>He folds it under his arm and smiles and not

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<v Speaker 1>so loon. He sees Frances and thinks of his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>back in Mexico. Standing at the water spigot, thin armed, pale,

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to fill a bucket for the goats. The sky

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<v Speaker 1>overhead blue and cloudless, the musky smell of the creek

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Cheonda, says James. Eugenio nods. Piero lote

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<v Speaker 1>see gustiarra mostos poufoor. Eugenio asked James if he wants cheese,

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<v Speaker 1>conquees orsen Tenemoscotia. Frankie, you want cheese, right, yeah? Please,

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<v Speaker 1>she says. Eugenia nods and smiles at her, and takes

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<v Speaker 1>the first ear of corn off the grill and rolls

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<v Speaker 1>it in an aluminum serving dish of melted butter, then

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<v Speaker 1>drizzles it in dry white cheese, next a squeeze of

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<v Speaker 1>fresh lime and a shake of cayenne pepper. He thinks

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<v Speaker 1>of TV static as the channel's change in a dark

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<v Speaker 1>living room with people sitting on a couch. His daughter

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<v Speaker 1>standing in the hallway door, head leaned on her arm

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<v Speaker 1>against the jam, the light of the TV on her face.

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<v Speaker 1>John Wayne is on screen in military attire, standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a tank, squinting. Say, well, you're gone and

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<v Speaker 1>done it this time, didn't you. His daughter says that

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<v Speaker 1>Americans aren't really like that, and her brother says sh.

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<v Speaker 1>The traffic clears and the street darkens, much like dear listener,

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<v Speaker 1>how the hubbub of content must clear out so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can throw to ads. Here's products and services, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. The neons of the turf club glow green

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<v Speaker 1>against the gray and black, and the windows of the

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<v Speaker 1>laundromat are bright lit and cheery. A pregnant woman moves inside,

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<v Speaker 1>pulling wet clothes from a washer and setting them aside

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<v Speaker 1>in a wire basket. Now traffic again, moving past, slow,

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<v Speaker 1>yellow white head lights, dull red break lights, flashing. Frances

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<v Speaker 1>wraps her arm in James's, her head on his shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>All is good, for now, for now, all is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Carr twenty four turns the corner, walking past Pancheta's

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<v Speaker 1>Bakery and Jac's Market, smoking a cigarette, drinking tequila from

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor pepper Can, staggering but comfortable, singing to himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Frances nods up the street. James, is that Joey Carr? Huh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like shit. Eugenio asks James if he and

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<v Speaker 1>Frances want something to drink. James shakes his head. No,

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<v Speaker 1>gracias hues tres dorades. James opens his wallet, takes out

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<v Speaker 1>a ten chilo dos poor al porpino hey cambio see

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<v Speaker 1>grassius miho. Joey catches sight of them and half jogs

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<v Speaker 1>up to the stand and then he's out of breath,

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<v Speaker 1>leaned forward, hands on his knees. James Jackson Bosic and

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<v Speaker 1>Frances Alicia, What are you two vampires up to? Laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>standing up straight again, bringing his cigarette to his mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>sucking in. His nails are painted black and chipped, and

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<v Speaker 1>his hands are sunburnt. His hair is dirty, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>wearing an eyeliner, and he smells like weed and sweat.

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<v Speaker 1>His stained white T shirt reads the Shock, The Shock,

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<v Speaker 1>The Shock in hot pink letters. James smiles. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the East Street House show. It's their moving out party.

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<v Speaker 1>They got evicted. You should come with, says Frances. Eugenio

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<v Speaker 1>hands Francs a paper bag with the aluminum foil wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>corn cobs inside. It's heavy. She can feel the heat

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<v Speaker 1>through the bag, and she can smell the butter and

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<v Speaker 1>cayenne pepper. Thanks, she says, thank you, Miihita. He stares

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<v Speaker 1>at her sadly and decides to call his daughter in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. In his mind, he says he's sorry. Ociento

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<v Speaker 1>letta lociento. Mihita makes a dragon, turns his head and

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<v Speaker 1>blows the smoke to the side. Dude, no way, the

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<v Speaker 1>Avocado Club's closing up shop bummers. James nods. Avocado Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Who calls it that? Some people do? I always just

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<v Speaker 1>called it the Locust House. As Francis Joey's distracted. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks across the street at the seven eleven. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>like but like nobody else does. He looks back at

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<v Speaker 1>James and Francis and smiles. His teeth are gapped in yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always called it the East Street House, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny to say the Avocado Club, because I'm all, No way,

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<v Speaker 1>that shit's a sandwich, you ow, not a house. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't live in a sandwich. He laughs and coughs. That

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<v Speaker 1>shit's a it's a sandwich, right, James shrugs. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Anyway, it should be pretty fun. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>playing locust Blood Brothers. Joey flicks his cigarette into the street. Sick.

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<v Speaker 1>James looks at the cigarette lying in the street. Smoke's

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<v Speaker 1>still trailing up from it, moving with the breeze. A

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<v Speaker 1>car passes over it and he sees it again. The

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<v Speaker 1>smoke is still rising. I think I think the new

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<v Speaker 1>band with Omar and Cedric from at the drive in.

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<v Speaker 1>They stepped to the side so a woman with a

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<v Speaker 1>toddler girl next to her can order nessosito nueve. The

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<v Speaker 1>woman tells Eugenio he trus pepsis. Eugenio begins to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey pulls another cigarette from his pack at the drive in.

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<v Speaker 1>No way, really is it Mars volta No? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's called the Facto. Frankie, who else is playing. James

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<v Speaker 1>looks at Francis shrugging, moving units. Francis shakes her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know, but we should head out, James,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, says James.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Joey lights the cigarette and sticks his

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<v Speaker 1>lighter into his back pocket. I'll see you around. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to meet Kurt at Ray's. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>ib to buy talking quieter. Now. We're buying some shit

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<v Speaker 1>to take down to Ensnata to sell if you all

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<v Speaker 1>want some. James shakes his head. No, that's cool, No thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>says Francis. All right, late, see you two around. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>go chasing waterfalls. Joey laughs, then coughs again, holding his

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<v Speaker 1>fist to his mouth. Don't go chasing waterfalls, he says again,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping James or Francis will continue the line. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>see us, says James. By Joey, says Francis. James and

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<v Speaker 1>Francis walk down twenty fifth, Francis holding the bag of

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<v Speaker 1>corn cops under her right arm. Yeah that was awful,

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<v Speaker 1>James says, What the fuck? Poor Joey, he's such a

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<v Speaker 1>nice kid. I wish we didn't see that. What's he

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<v Speaker 1>getting from Kurt? I don't know, Heroinugh, geez, no good, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no good. I fucking hate that guy. Kurt. His sister

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<v Speaker 1>also is cool. It's not about that, huh, James, he

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<v Speaker 1>looked like he was eighty. Yeah. Yeah, But we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the party and it'll be great. It will, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it will, Frankie, it will, it'll be great. And who cares? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares? Ah, James. But still still, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we just saw a ghost. They stand at the stoplight

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<v Speaker 1>across the street on Broadway. Joey Carr drops his doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Pepperkhn in the trash and walks into the seven eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Francis sees Tyler Monahan's dark blue Miata pull up to

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<v Speaker 1>the curb and park on Broadway. Tyler gets out, shuts

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<v Speaker 1>his door, and waves at them emphatically. Hey guys, he

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<v Speaker 1>shouts him across the street. They don't hear it. They

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<v Speaker 1>see him, James look Tyler nice, Hey, Tyler hey. Francis

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<v Speaker 1>looks up as the light turns to green above them.

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<v Speaker 1>The black sky is streaked gray, like lines of old

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<v Speaker 1>scars on skin. She thinks of relief maps, train tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>dirty canals, neosporin, hydrogen peroxide. They crossed the street. But

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<v Speaker 1>dear listener, do you know what would never cross us? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it would never get past us. Is a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt stories, to tell you about products and services. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Chapter three, Battles and Aftermath. James, Frankie, Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>and I sat on a curb down by the overpass

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<v Speaker 1>bridge and ate our corn and sipped Tyler's flask of rum.

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<v Speaker 1>The rum felt warm in my belly and made my

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<v Speaker 1>head swim nicely, and the corn was damn good. But

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie and I could barely sit still. We wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the party. We wanted to see the bands.

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<v Speaker 1>We finished the corn, we stopped at seven to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>for provisions and walked to the party. The place was

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<v Speaker 1>packed by the time we got there. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>very dark night foggy too, which is something that stands

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<v Speaker 1>out in all my memories of Golden Hill. Foggy nights,

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<v Speaker 1>slow fog when it's dark and there's no moon in

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<v Speaker 1>that thick beautiful mist creeps up from the canyons and freeways,

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<v Speaker 1>and the air is wet and smells a honeysuckle and

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<v Speaker 1>night blooming Jasmine. At the house, A million kids were

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<v Speaker 1>out smoking and drinking on the porch, a whole sea

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and more than that on the lawn, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>along the white picket fence that lined the sidewalk, lying

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<v Speaker 1>in the grass with bottles and cigarettes in hand, or

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<v Speaker 1>up on the rooftops of cars coming in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. Every square foot of the place was

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<v Speaker 1>moving like it was covered in ants, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>hear music from inside, muffled but heavy rumbling. The street

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<v Speaker 1>was lined with vans, and the bands had come in,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them had their side doors open, and

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<v Speaker 1>you could see all all your heroes drinking or smoking

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<v Speaker 1>or talking or just chilling before they're set. We walked

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<v Speaker 1>past one of the bands standing outside their van on

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<v Speaker 1>the sidewalk, and I stopped the singer and I was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>my name's James, my friend of your cousin Meggie. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys new record is so fucking good. I've listened to

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<v Speaker 1>it two hundred times this week. And he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just shrugged and smiled and walked off. I was young,

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<v Speaker 1>younger than I am now, and very starstruck and nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>and so much more innocent than the person I've become

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<v Speaker 1>who I worry is a hard time feeling his blood

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<v Speaker 1>some days, as nerdy and uncool and on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>of things as I was at the time. My move

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<v Speaker 1>towards the opposite of that has come with a price.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't say I'm jaded, but I've never felt as

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled by music by white, hot, cranked, wild eyed music

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<v Speaker 1>as I did back then. My love for good music

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<v Speaker 1>was almost religious or maybe sexual. It was pious, desperate.

0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Good music made me feel hot headed and frantic, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've ever felt so free since

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't cool, but I was free, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>something good. Frankie and Tyler and I walked up the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk and we were so happy and so innocent, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was taking SIPs off this bottle of Mad Dog

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty orange flavor I got at seven to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>and was getting solidly drunk, and it felt as though

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<v Speaker 1>everything was new and alive and more colorful and vibrant

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<v Speaker 1>than everyday life. The time, I had a job as

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter for a small wire service in Hillcrest, and

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Frankie worked as an endoscopy clinic receptionist up in La Joya.

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<v Speaker 1>Our lives weren't bad, but the nine to five sucked

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<v Speaker 1>it out of us. It made us feel slow inside, muted,

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<v Speaker 1>dead on our feet. It felt like we were wasting

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<v Speaker 1>our time. But when we listened to these bands, we loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Life seemed vital and strange and triumphant and real. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say is I had no arrogance, no stuffiness,

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<v Speaker 1>no true or defined ego. I was terrified of living

0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 1>half the time and scared as hell of die eying

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<v Speaker 1>the rest. A lot of us were that way, and

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted nothing more than to sign off on real, hard,

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<v Speaker 1>stupid life and listen to records that were like trains

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<v Speaker 1>crashing into each other and dance clubs exploding into rainbows

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<v Speaker 1>and carnivorous flowers devouring crickets at ten times the normal speed.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted punk rock, but our version of punk didn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like a band. It wasn't two guitars, bass, singer, drums.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted a sound that tore itself to pieces, but

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<v Speaker 1>did it smart. We wanted grindcore turned inside out and

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<v Speaker 1>sped up and then chopped to pieces by a machete.

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<v Speaker 1>The size of the universe. We wanted power, violence with

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<v Speaker 1>a big loving heart and good ethics to match. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted punk you could dance to and never feel awkward

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<v Speaker 1>or uncool or out of place. If anything, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to dance. I wanted to lose my mind and throw

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<v Speaker 1>myself into walls and get sweaty and stupid and feel

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<v Speaker 1>the raw animalness in me. I had many nights alone

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<v Speaker 1>in our cottage, which in Golden Hill, sad, drunk after

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<v Speaker 1>a bad day at work or a fight with Frankie

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark, dancing by myself in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>record player, one hand on the bookcase. I needed bands

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<v Speaker 1>like Angel Hair, Antioc Arrow, Get Hustle, Die Princess, Die Melt,

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Banana Orchid, Black Dice vss Man as the bastard, universal

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Order of Armageddon, celebration, the best, in the darkest, the

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<v Speaker 1>wildest hearts. I still remember the first time music really

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<v Speaker 1>did it for me. I was at the Chay Cafe

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<v Speaker 1>a couple years before the East Street Party, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Locust came out of nowhere and imploded my world. Those short, abrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>sinewy forty five second songs wiped my brain clean, changed everything,

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<v Speaker 1>scrambled my senses, showed me that music wasn't necessarily what

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<v Speaker 1>everyone had told me. It was unlike a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people I've talked to. I didn't have to work to

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<v Speaker 1>get their music. It made immediately. Of course, of course

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>songs should be like this. Of course, this is how

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 1>music should be. That first song at the Chay was

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<v Speaker 1>enough for me to change for the better, and the

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<v Speaker 1>change was natural and easy and comfortable. I didn't consider

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 1>their music scream o or metal or anything else the

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<v Speaker 1>critics called it. I began to see Locust songs as

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<v Speaker 1>pop songs, danceable, rhythmic blasts of thrash and grime and

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<v Speaker 1>humor and new experimental ideas. A few months later, Francis

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Frank and I went to see the band open

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<v Speaker 1>the premiere of the John Waters film Cecil B Demented

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<v Speaker 1>at Hillcrest Landmark, and they played the show in adult

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<v Speaker 1>sized diapers, more or less naked, in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>big screen in a sold out crowd. Their set was

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<v Speaker 1>about nine minutes long, and they played twice that many songs, short, colorful, glittery,

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>stutteringly abrasive, robotic, seizure songs just as human as birth

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and life and sex and death. After that, we watched

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the movie, smiling like fools, slurping our soa and picking

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<v Speaker 1>out her popcorn and junior mints. In the scene that

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<v Speaker 1>used their song Nice Tranquil thumb in Mouth, the characters

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>show up at a Baltimore Film Commission luncheon and have

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<v Speaker 1>a big shootout with the cops. Thumb my favorite song

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, was looped to extend it and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the catchiest thing in the world. Toe tapping, head nodding,

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>but oh man, so fucking savage and strange and brutal.

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>When the credits rolled and the band's name came up

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<v Speaker 1>in the soundtrack list, everyone cheered. I was proud, proud

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<v Speaker 1>of my city and the people in it, and of

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<v Speaker 1>this small moment of time. People were excited, excited and

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<v Speaker 1>together about this thing. It was easy to get caught

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<v Speaker 1>up in. Their music became a part of our culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone's culture, but for some of us it was

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<v Speaker 1>as San Diego as the Tom's deep plate at Poca's

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<v Speaker 1>and gothy wine, drunk dance parties in North Park and

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>talking shit about the gas lamp. There's this line from

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<v Speaker 1>Casavetti's great film Opening Night, or Genie Rawlin's character says

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<v Speaker 1>when I was seventeen, I could do anything. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so easy. My emotions were so close to the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finding it harder and harder to stay in touch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it was, and that is where we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to leave it for today. But soon, don't worry, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to touch base with Agnes from the first part.

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<v Speaker 1>She's around here somewhere. Hazel, who helps behind the scenes, says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I really really like how much the city of San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego is almost a character in this book. You can

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<v Speaker 1>tell just how much time Ganati has spent rooted in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. His prose feels so lived in. That's for

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<v Speaker 1>what I have to say about it. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>funny is I don't remember what I had to say

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<v Speaker 1>about it last time, so maybe I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, but I don't know. I love how

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<v Speaker 1>punk this is. That's like sort of obvious, right. It

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>is a punk novella, but it's also it's literature. It's

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<v Speaker 1>written in a very literature style, including making choices that

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Isa John or fiction writer often wouldn't make right. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's telling a really simple day. This is just a

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<v Speaker 1>story about some day that some people had and how

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<v Speaker 1>it was unforgettable even though it was regular in every

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<v Speaker 1>day And I think that this is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite styles of art, is stuff that makes us remember

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<v Speaker 1>that we do live these magic lives and that even

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<v Speaker 1>if like this is why I hate superheroes, Like, even

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<v Speaker 1>if we're not superheroes doing it astounding world changing things,

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>we're doing these things. And you can see the resonance

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<v Speaker 1>of how this like flies out across the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Right Like, I'm guessing more of you have

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<v Speaker 1>heard of or seen the movie Cecil Be Demented than

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<v Speaker 1>have really listened to The Locust or you know, been

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<v Speaker 1>to this type of house show. But yet the band

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 1>that sort of has this kind of house as the

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>song on the underground but still mainstream John Waters movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I think I saw The Locust, And

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny is I don't know two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to a lot of these styles of shows.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think I went to the Chay Cafe, but

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<v Speaker 1>I weirdly don't know. I have a memory of what

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<v Speaker 1>it might be. But I'm also mixing it up with

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<v Speaker 1>another like Radical Cafe that was up in Seattle in

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<v Speaker 1>the U District, and so I think I actually probably

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<v Speaker 1>never went to the Chay Cafe. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it was the locust or the body that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the copycat in Baltimore at a warehouse, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the top floor of a warehouse party where I

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<v Speaker 1>had just left New York to go hang out in Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like, I haven't been here. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be like I know this neighborhood, I know this cafe,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this band, right, I don't, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>this scene. And I think that that's like why this

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<v Speaker 1>gets to me so much, you know, is because this

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<v Speaker 1>is about how I came up in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>I never see represented. And so I really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>all coming along to hear something that's deeply personal to me,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it is to you. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that includes the horrible shit. You know, there's like

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<v Speaker 1>this almost blase attitude that this story has towards some

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<v Speaker 1>really horrible shit. And both parts one and part two, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but so just real, like those are both experiences I've had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, anyway, we'll be back with part three

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<v Speaker 1>soon enough. You actually know when it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>next Sunday. That's when we're gonna be back with part three.

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<v Speaker 1>Nus you're listening in the future, in which case you

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<v Speaker 1>already can listen to part three because it'll all already

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<v Speaker 1>come out, unless the world ends between now next Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>which case you want you listening to this later anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you know that Adam Gannatti gave us a

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<v Speaker 1>biome to read? And this is it. Born in San Diego, California,

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Gannatti now lives on a six acre farm in

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<v Speaker 1>rural Kansas, near the towns of Lawrence and Tonganoxie, in

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour outside Kansas City, Missouri. On September twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, the Numero Group will reissue Gannati's two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five debut Talking Songs record Run, Hide, Retreat,

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<v Speaker 1>Surrender on twelve inch final. In October of twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>his fourteenth book, Wild Horseshit will be released by Brett

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<v Speaker 1>and Roses Press in conjunction with Three to one g.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent works have included the Home and Away Quartet and

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<v Speaker 1>the Talking Songs collection The World of Today and the

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<v Speaker 1>World of Tomorrow, issued on cassette twenty twenty one and

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<v Speaker 1>laithe Cut ced twenty twenty six. Gannatti's work is published

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<v Speaker 1>and issued by Brett and Roses Press three to one

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<v Speaker 1>g Hello America, Stereo Cassette and the Numero Group. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Margaret Kiljoy and you can find me. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a newsletter comes out every week. It is Margaret Kiljoy

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<v Speaker 1>dot substack dot com. It's called Birds Before the Storm,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where you can find me. I'm also in

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<v Speaker 1>social media, but I hate social media. It makes me

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<v Speaker 1>really sad. I will be back next week with more

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<v Speaker 1>Locust House and remember until then that any human power

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<v Speaker 1>can be resisted and transformed by human beings. It is

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<v Speaker 1>our moral imperative to become grains of sand in the

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<v Speaker 1>wheels of the machine. Fuck Ice Free Palestine. See you

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<v Speaker 1>next week.

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<v Speaker 2>It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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