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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle. Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: Get Him in a Huddle, Get Him in a Hudle,

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Speaker 1: New York Giants Podcast. Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Giants Huddle podcast. This week in honor of the NFL

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Speaker 1: on anniversary, Russ Saulsburg and I will go over the

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Speaker 1: debate for the ten Greatest Giants of All time. But

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Speaker 1: Rewind with Carl Banks. Now you can vote for the

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Speaker 1: top ten Giants of all time only in the official

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Speaker 1: Giants app that's available in the App Store and on

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Speaker 1: Google Play. There are sixteen players on the ballot and

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Speaker 1: Russ and no particular order. These are the sixteen Taylor Manning, Huff,

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Speaker 1: Barber Sims, Brown, to Straight Hand, Heind, Carson Giftfrud Tornell, Connolly, Banks,

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Speaker 1: Robustelle and of those sixteen players, ten are in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Manning is the only guy still active already.

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with the list, how combuing Nitmo

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Speaker 1: was left off the list, probably because she did not

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Speaker 1: do so well when he was here. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: tell you when we were asked to do this, Like

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Speaker 1: I went home last night, I'm looking at the list,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it, and then I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: it again. Then I'm looking at it again this morning,

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Speaker 1: and this is damn hard. It is very hard because

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Speaker 1: you brought out a good point before we got started here.

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Speaker 1: You brought out a good point, and nobody would be

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Speaker 1: wrong in saying so you can just take the ten

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Speaker 1: that are already in the Hall of Fame and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: those are your top ten. But that really would not

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Speaker 1: be fair because there are other people on this list

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Speaker 1: who you know are going to beat in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. You know, certainly Eli Manning being one of them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, quite frankly, Tiki Barbera's you know, the

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Speaker 1: greatest running back in Giants history and they and the

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not I'm not saying it because those

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Speaker 1: are guys that you and I have followed. But this

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Speaker 1: is a very very impressive list when you when you

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Speaker 1: think about the richness of New York Giants football, I

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Speaker 1: mean it tells you something there, it really, it really does.

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Speaker 1: So you know, let's talk about the list and each guy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, certain guys are automatic alright, So this list

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Speaker 1: include other non playing people, which means like Bill Parcel's

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Speaker 1: is not on this list, Wellington Mara is not on

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Speaker 1: this list people of that nature. These are only guys

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Speaker 1: who actually suited up and played in games. All right,

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Speaker 1: we start Lauren Taylor played from eight one to ninety three,

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty two career sacks, saying no more all

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Speaker 1: you all you had to do? What what was the joke?

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Speaker 1: And you had me at hello, Well you had me

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Speaker 1: at you had met lth That's it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: he is number one. He goes in. There's not even

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Speaker 1: a discussion about that he goes in. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: no one's going to dispute it. He, you know, redefined

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Speaker 1: the great He's not the greatest. He's not just the

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Speaker 1: greatest giant of all time. He's one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: asked on a show, Lawrence asked, um, who are who

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Speaker 1: this distinctly like it was yesterday. Lawrence goes Jim Brown. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but this and me and that was it. And you

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Speaker 1: know what heart to argue, heard to argue. Jerry Rice

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Speaker 1: and Walter Payton might have a discussion, but but you know,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is the greatest defensive player who's ever lived. And

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Speaker 1: be there. But as as far as a Giant, without question,

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Speaker 1: all right, Sam Hoff. Now, he played with the Giants

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Speaker 1: as we discussed beforehand, also made a significant impact because

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Speaker 1: he was the true first ever defensive superstar in the

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Speaker 1: depending how old our viewers and listeners are, Sam Huff

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Speaker 1: to me, I'm not saying he is. But for me,

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Speaker 1: he was the first great superstar defensive player. And I

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Speaker 1: didn't grow up being a Giants fan. Sam Huff was,

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Speaker 1: He was from another planet, that's how good he was.

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Speaker 1: I also remember Walter Cronkite hosting a show that used

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Speaker 1: I think it was like in nineteen sixty the Violent

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Speaker 1: World of Sam Huff. I mean, Sam Huff was something sensational.

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Speaker 1: He was part of, you know, the championship team. He

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Speaker 1: my goodness. And he well we're only talking about Giants,

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Speaker 1: but he was great when he went to the Redskins.

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Speaker 1: So to me, the first three that you just mentioned

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Speaker 1: Oh he know, he was. He was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: The violin. You know, Walter Cronkite show wasn't a sports show.

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Speaker 1: the Violent World of Sam Huff. Sam Huff is right there,

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Speaker 1: all right. Let's go to name number four. Chickie Barber

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Speaker 1: got to be on the list, all right. Phil sims

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Speaker 1: I'm very partial because he might be my favorite, you know,

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Speaker 1: Eli Um. When I look at the list, just because

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Speaker 1: the list, I would in my list, Phil's there, you know.

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Speaker 1: Not now I'm running into dangerous territory because I gotta

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Speaker 1: so I got four, I got four so far? All right?

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Speaker 1: We go to Roosevelt Brown with the Giants from fifty

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about greatest Giants, okay, of all time. Now,

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Speaker 1: I remember Tom Coughlin saying that, you know, his last season,

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that Tom Coughlin said, people would

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