1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: There's no better example of the rot of leftist policies, 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: of progressive policies than our cities. Crime, homelessness, drugs. Seems 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: like America is just falling apart. We'll talk to Jason Rants. 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: He wrote the book on it. The book's called What's 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Killing America Inside the Radical Lefts Tragic Destruction of Our Cities. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: He covered the summer of riots being in Seattle, witnessing 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: what happened with the chop zone as in teetha on 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. It literally took over blocks and parts 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: of the city of Seattle. We'll get into all that 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: with him. You've seen him on Fox News. He's also 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: a radio host as well, so stay tuned for Jason Rants. Well, Jason, 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: it's awesome to have you on the show. I appreciate 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: you making the time. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you inviting me. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: You know, see, you wrote a book about what's killing America. Well, 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot of things right now by this book, Yptoe Biden, 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: the board like the list goes on. But your book 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: is about what's killing our cities right now? I mean, 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: how bad is it? And you know, was it covid 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: or It seems like everything has just gotten exponentially worse 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: in the past few years. What's at the heart of it. 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: At the heart of it are radical left policies that 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: I think COVID made them more obvious what the the 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: some cases intended consequences of these policies were and some 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: of the unintended consequences. I think COVID made a lot 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: of things worse. It certainly didn't help, But at the 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: heart of a lot of the issues that so many 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: big cities are dealing with and have been dealing with 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: over the last several years, they're the result of policy 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: that has been put in place even before COVID. Now, 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: obviously COVID gives a lot of cover for the folks 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: who are pushing for, you know, so called criminal justice reforms, 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: which essentially did what the BLM movement said it wanted 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: to do, which was dismantle systems which they believe are 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: oppressive and have white supremacy culture sort of intertwined in 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: every single aspect of the criminal justice system to the 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: point where they said, look, we've got to break this 38 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: down and we've got to rebuild it, and they rebuild 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: it in ways that favored criminals instead of the victims. 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: There was this complete shift in thinking that actually was 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: now institutionalized when they decided to say that because this 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: is a system of oppression, the people who are caught 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: up in it are the actual victims, not the real 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: victims that you and I and everyone who's listening would 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: deem to be a victim, but the actual criminals are 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: now the victims. At the same time, you saw a 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: lot of policy shifts in the way we live our lives, 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: the way we drive to work, and how we get 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: to work. The fact of the matter is, you've got 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: and I break this down in the book in two parts. 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: You have, on the one hand, the policies that directly 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: impact us and make us less safe and less happy. 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: And then you've got the policies that tell us how 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: to live, which also tend to make us less safe 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: and less happy. And you see this trend or theme, 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: I guess from different cities all around the country, and 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: they're coming from blue cities. This shouldn't be a shock 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: to anyone. But what happens in Seattle or New York 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: or Chicago, LA doesn't just stay there. It spreads. And 60 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: that's why I decided to write this book. Was first 61 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: understand this is coming to your neighborhood if it already hasn't. 62 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: And second, let's make sure we understand why this is happening, 63 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: the reason behind some of these policies, because only then 64 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: can we effectively push back. 65 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Well, it does seem like since George Floyd, the left 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: has adopted this concept that it is somehow racist to 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: arrest criminals. 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: Yes, but I would argue we're only noticing it in 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: a significant way now because the movement it's health became mainstreamed. 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: The folks who took power during all of this and 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: were the most vocal, they were always there, they just 72 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: didn't get the spotlight. There was a movement by the 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: media and corporations to embrace the BLM activists and all 74 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: of the sort of the subgroups that came along with it. 75 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: And what we're pushing very similar themes in the criminal 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: justice system as racist. We need to shift away from 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: the carcerole approach. And the fact of the matter is, 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: when you mainstream a movement like this, you give it 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: so much more power than it otherwise would have, and 80 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're seeing actual changes in policy. 81 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, the defund movement itself was always there. It 82 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: just wasn't highlighted the same way, and we didn't give 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 2: it so much power. And then all of a sudden, 84 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: because of what happened with George Floyd, which was condemned 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: across the country by basically everyone, but we were told 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: that not enough was being done to prevent this from 87 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: happening in the future, even though it was one instance, 88 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: one of very few instances in which something like this 89 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: has happened with modern day policing. And we use that 90 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: lie around the data, around this claim that the whole 91 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: system is racist to defund police and take away responsibilities 92 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: from them. And even though right now we're starting to 93 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: see and have been seeing some course correction in refunding 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: police departments or getting rid of some policy, not all 95 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: the policies have been removed. Some of the politicians are 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: talking about things in slightly different ways and trying to 97 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: get saying again, or at least pretend to be saying 98 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: again so that they can win a reelection. But a 99 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: lot of those policies are still in place, and the 100 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: culture that shifted as a result, that doesn't just change overnight. 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: This culture of lawlessness that has been imposed, that's going 102 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: to take arguably at least a decade, possibly more than that, just. 103 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: To fix what do you think is driving that culture 104 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: of willlessness. 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: Well, obviously we can point to specific policies. The question is, well, 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: why do they believe what they believe? And I think 107 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: you have a general sense from radicals on the left. 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: I truly believe that they think these systems are oppressive, 109 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: purely based on some raw data that they are interpreting 110 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: to fit a worldview. So if you go into just 111 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: looking at the issue policing, and you go into it 112 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: and look at it through this critical race theory lens 113 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: or social justice lens, you are taught to find reasons 114 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: why an institution is racist, the whole idea behind CRT. 115 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: And this is another thing that has been there for 116 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: the longest time. We only started to label it CRT 117 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: relatively recently. But you are taught to find pieces of 118 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: an institution that disproportionately impact insert the marginalized group that 119 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: you want to focus on. It's usually around black and Latinos. 120 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 2: And what's always funny to me is that disproportionality arguments 121 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: are the laziest arguments ever. They'll say, well, look at this, 122 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: this police department has arrested. Fifty percent of the arrestees 123 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: are black, but it's only representative of six percent of 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the population. They then assume it's due to racism. They 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: don't have any data to backup that it's racist except 126 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: for this disproportionality argument, and they decided to ignore all 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: of the other data points that you would obviously need 128 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: to review and you know, be honest about before jumping 129 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: to those conclusions. Because of that, that instilled upon them 130 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: bias to look for racism where it does not exist. 131 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: And when you look for something where it doesn't exist, 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: it's very easy to come up with it actually existing 133 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: because you're making it up. It's a delusion and it's 134 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: based on blind ideology. And you know, this is about 135 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: so many other issues too. It's not just about policing. 136 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: But when you look at what they've done in these 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: major cities on the issue of policing, criminal justice reform 138 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: in general, it's just so obvious that we can connect 139 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: the dots to the surgeon crime and it's something that 140 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: more and more people are feeling, more and more people 141 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: are worried about. 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: It. 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes takes cities like a Seattle or Portland to have 144 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: a large population start to either personally experience the crime 145 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: wave or know someone who has before, they start to 146 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: shift the way that they think and start to look 147 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: at these issues a lot differently than they've looked at 148 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: in the past. 149 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: The crime and city is it gets a lot of attention. 150 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: You know, we cover it on Fox News, especially conservative outlets. 151 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: How much more dangerous are cities, you know, truly than 152 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: they were, let's say, even before COVID. 153 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: Certainly if you judge it within the last decade or so, 154 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: it's more dangerous. There's some folks who make the argument, 155 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: and I always find this to be somewhat disingenuous. They'll say, well, 156 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: it's not like what it was in the eighties, and 157 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: I agree, I don't argue, and I don't think anyone 158 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: is really arguing right now that things are as violent 159 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: or as dangerous as they have been at certain parts 160 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: of our past. But when we look at where we live, 161 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: we want to see forward progression. We don't want to 162 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: go backwards. And so if all of a sudden things 163 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: are worse now than they were twenty five years ago, 164 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: or ten years ago or five years ago, we should 165 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: all be pointing that out, because if you don't get 166 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: in the way of that backward movement, it's just going 167 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: to snowball and get even worse and worse and worse, 168 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: and then bam, all of a sudden, it is the eighties. 169 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: When you look at just the Pacific Northwest, for example, 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: and obviously I live here, so you know, I follow 171 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: these numbers very closely. Seattle and Portland had record high 172 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: homicide numbers in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and twenty 173 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: twenty two, and these were higher than the twenty five 174 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: or twenty six year previous high. Now, is it as 175 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: bad as forty years ago. No, but it's bad. And 176 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: when you're hitting those kinds of records and you know 177 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: specifically that we can tie it to policy, I view 178 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: them as crimes that were easily preventable. So when you 179 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: have a policy that's responsible for a crime being committed, 180 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: that's a preventable crime. We made the choice to go 181 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: in a certain direction that led to someone becoming a victim, 182 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: and that's just unacceptable to me. 183 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, and you live in a city where you know 184 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Antifa and you know writers and Bilm actually took over 185 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: part of the city that the chop Zone. I mean, 186 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: what was that like to live there at the time, 187 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: and you know, get into that a little bit. 188 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was so weird. I have to 189 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: be honest, because I was so I was covering this 190 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: for Fox News at the time, and this is the 191 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: main reason people even know who I am is because 192 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: of what I was doing during CHOP and as I'm 193 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: out there witnessing the crime that's being committed, hearing the 194 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: way the activists are speaking, and getting a better understanding 195 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: of some of the decisions that were made on the 196 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: political side of things that led to Chop lasting as 197 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: long as it did. I was hearing other media outlets 198 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: just gaslight us as to what was going on, and 199 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: even for this book, going back and looking at some 200 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: of the coverage from like CNN or The New York 201 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: Times or The Daily Beast, it was all positive. Oh 202 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: it's like a street fair. Oh, the businesses around the 203 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: area love it because they've been closed during COVID and 204 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, more people are in the area. 205 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: And I was watching and reading the covers and like, 206 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: that's not what's happening. That's not what I'm personally experiencing. 207 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: And I would get tweets or emails from folks who 208 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: were watching me on Fox basically saying I'm lying, I'm 209 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: making up my reporting. But it was surreal because I 210 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: was literally showing video right. It was like, here's a 211 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: video of the crimes that are occurring, and you're telling 212 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: me that they're not. And even locally, with a few exceptions, 213 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: the violence or anything negativessociated with the movement was not 214 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: being discussed or covered. And when you live in a bubble, 215 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: it's really really easy to then tell yourself, oh, well, 216 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: it's just the conservative media outlets who hate Seattle. They're 217 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: the ones who are just making this all up because 218 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: they have an agenda. It's really easy to fall into 219 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: that trap. And you know, Seattle, while it's not a 220 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: huge city, it is sort of like any other city 221 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: where you've got your neighborhoods, and if you live in 222 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: one neighborhood, you maybe don't go to this other neighborhood 223 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: all that often. And when you're not getting that full coverage, 224 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: and you're already going into it with this bias against 225 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: conservative media, you are more susceptible to some of the coverage. 226 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: Some of it was intended to give a pass to 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: the violence. Because I think a lot of reporters, both 228 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: locally and nationally, supported the movement, or at least wanted 229 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: to be seen as supporting the movement, so they wouldn't 230 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: dare to be negative. But some have their blinders on 231 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: as well. I think, you know, especially the national media. 232 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: They showed up during the day when things were not bad, 233 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: and then they stayed in their hotel rooms at night, 234 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: not going into the Chop area, and they didn't see 235 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: all of what was happening, all of what I saw. 236 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: I was reliably informed by the former mayor of Seattle, 237 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: Jenny Durkin, that it was the summer of love. Sure, 238 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: are you telling me it was not? 239 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was clearly unless you love violence. I mean, look, 240 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, this was a movement 241 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: that was supposed to be about black lives mattering, and 242 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: it cost three black teenagers their lives. Right, So we 243 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: saw death here. We saw an attempted rape of a 244 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: deaf woman who was living within Chop. We saw open 245 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: drug dealing. We saw the distribution, the illegal distribution of 246 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: semi automatic rifles, which the left tells us they hate, 247 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: except for when it was being they were being distributed 248 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: by Antifa thugs in chop So there was so much 249 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: gaslighting going on. There was a lot of politicking going on. 250 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: Jenny Durkin didn't want to get blamed for this. She 251 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: was finding herself in a pretty difficult spot politically where 252 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: she didn't want to upset the very vocal base and 253 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: she didn't want to be seen as being part of 254 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: a movement that was getting in the way of BLM, 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: and so she decided to, I think guess that the 256 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: situation wasn't going to devolve. But it doesn't take a 257 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: genius to realize that when you take police out of 258 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: the picture and you hand over you know, six city 259 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: blocks to a group of radicals who took it over 260 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,359 Speaker 2: with violence and force, that it's going to escalate into 261 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: something incredibly dangerous and in this case deadly. 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Well, and that's why you know this is all intentional, right, 263 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that, like, 264 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: if you defund the police, you're probably going to have 265 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: more crime, if you get rid of your playing closed 266 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: police unit like they did in New York City, or 267 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's very common sense to 268 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: understand the impact of all these things. So it's with 269 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: intention that they're driving, you know, these policies. But then 270 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the sad thing is, I mean people keep voting for 271 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: leftis like what we saw in Chicago recently. So you know, 272 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: have you seen any movement in any sort of awakening 273 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: among the electorate in some of these cities that the 274 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: policies are voting for are negatively impacting them. 275 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: It's a little bit mixed, right, So there are instances 276 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: in which voters are at least pointing out the problems 277 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: in ways that they previously didn't because they felt, I 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: think like they thought they would get bullied or shamed 279 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: for speaking up and saying something, which has been the 280 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: case in a lot of these very far to the 281 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: left cities like a Seattle of Portland, San Francisco, for example. 282 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: But we're clearly seeing voters, at least in some cases 283 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: making a decision to course correct. I think if you 284 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: go into San Francisco, and I also cover this in 285 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: What's Killing America, they made a decision to recall Chesaboudin, 286 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: who was a George Soros wanna be. They made the 287 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: decision to boot from office the school board members who 288 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: were eligible for recall at that point because they decided 289 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: to focus more on the wokeism than teaching kids. And 290 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: so you've got voters who are becoming very aware, and 291 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: in particular, we're seeing are Asian Americans who are stepping 292 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: up and getting more active and saying enough is enough. 293 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: What you're doing here, whether it's from a safety perspective 294 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: or education, is hurting our families. It's hurting our children, 295 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: and we're not okay with that. And they organize in 296 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: significant ways, and we've seen their successes. 297 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Quick Commercial Break more with Jason Rants. And there's also 298 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, the homeless problem. You know, so my dad 299 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: grew up in Portland, Oregon, and I went out a 300 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: few months ago to go visit my grandmother who still 301 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: lives there. I mean, the homeless tends even just reading 302 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: about it does not do justice what has taken place 303 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: in that city. I mean, the homeless have actually taken 304 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: over the city. 305 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: And we've seen it in pockets around the kind of 306 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: DC for a large part of the last several years 307 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: before they started to embrace the sweeps was taken over. 308 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: I think LA in San Francisco are just absolute horror shows. 309 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: Seattle as well, Portland in particular, and part of the 310 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: reason why it's gotten so bad. Is this sort of 311 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: lase fare approach that there's thinking that suggests you can't 312 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 2: stigmatize folks by pointing out that being homeless is a 313 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: negative and that their drug addiction is fueling their homelessness. 314 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: You're not supposed to say that because they might feel 315 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: stigma and then won't seek help. But they know that 316 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 2: they're stigmatized by being homeless. These people know what they're 317 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: doing is killing them. But especially when we're talking about 318 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 2: drug addiction, they're so overcome by that addiction that they 319 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: can't stop themselves. They can't help themselves, and rather than 320 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: step in and sort of push people into treatment, we're 321 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: being told that you have to have hands off until 322 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: they're ready for the treatment, otherwise it won't work. But 323 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: we know that that's nonsense. You need a Carroden stick approach. 324 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: Cities that have adopted Carroden stick approaches have been successful. 325 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: We were also told that this is a housing issue, 326 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: right and we still hear that that a housing first 327 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: model works the best, which basically means we're putting you 328 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: into housing without any condition, so if you're a drug addict, 329 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: you can continue to use drugs. We just want to 330 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: get you in because that will be easier for us 331 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: to get you into treatment. And a lot of activists 332 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: point to Salt Lake City because they approached as a 333 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: city in a very significant way the Housing first model, 334 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 2: and they had declared it a huge success that they 335 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: got to functional zero as far as homelessness is concerned. 336 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: And I always was skeptical of that claim, but I'm 337 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: certainly open minded if housing first actually works and is 338 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: successful by reasonable means. And I view success as getting 339 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: someone off the streets and then self efficient. How long 340 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: it takes can change. It depends on the individual. But 341 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: that's how I view it as a success. And so 342 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: I started looking into what was going on in Salt 343 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: Lake City and found out it was a huge failure. 344 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: It was an utter failure. In fact, homelessness continued to 345 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: get worse after they declared a functional zero homelessness rate, 346 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 2: and no one talks about that. We just hear housing 347 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: first all the time. It's this bumper sticker talking point. 348 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: And so I actually I decided to devote an entire 349 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: chapter specifically to Salt Lake City because I think it's 350 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: so instructive of what doesn't work and how a lie 351 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: or slogan can end up impacting for a very long 352 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: time the approach I mean you have in California right now, 353 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: taking this exact line right, it's we got to get 354 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: people housing. It's housing affordability issues are leading to homelessness. 355 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: But for the vast majority of the people we're talking about, 356 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: especially the chronically homeless, it wasn't housing affordability issue. It 357 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: was a drug issue. It was a mental health issue. 358 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: That's what's keeping these people on the streets, and simply 359 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: giving them a home doesn't treat the underlying reason why 360 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: they became homeless to begin with. 361 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Are any cities successfully tackling homeless problems and homeless crisis? 362 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: I see cities that are smaller or mid size are 363 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: doing it the I think they're the most successful when 364 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: you look at San Diego, when you look at portions 365 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: of Texas, including in Austin, where if you give the 366 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: resources to the right groups, they have seen success. When 367 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 2: you decide to just give money to the homeless industrial complex, 368 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: which whether or not they want to acknowledge this doesn't matter, 369 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: but they lose funding and they lose their living and 370 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: livelihoods when homelessness is fixed, and so there is an 371 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: incentive to keep people homeless. I don't think they purposely 372 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: choose to keep people homeless, but I think it's a 373 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: bias that goes into their work and why it's been 374 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: so unsuccessful. I think a city here in Washington, Marysville, 375 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: which really hit their crisis with a carrot and stick approach, 376 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: which basically said, look, we're going to send the police 377 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: out there. If you are homeless and you are breaking 378 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: the law, that officer is going to give you a 379 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: simple choice. You can choose door number one, which is 380 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: go into treatment or take us up on our resources 381 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: that we're offering you, or you're going to jail. That's 382 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: door number two. And yeah, you're going to be released tomorrow. 383 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: You're not going to go to jail for longer than 384 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: a day. But guess what, we'll be here tomorrow and 385 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: we're going to offer you that same choice, and we're 386 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: going to basically harass you until you either make the 387 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: right decision go into treatment, or you just leave the 388 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: city completely and you become someone else's problem. They have 389 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: seen actual results when you put folks into tiny home 390 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: villages in which you have responsibilities including paying your rent 391 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: and getting a job and holding a job, those groups 392 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: see the most success. 393 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense, welfare to work type mentality. 394 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: What's wild is we seem to be in this place where, 395 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: because of all the propaganda, because the narrative is being 396 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: pushed at people, that leftists would almost rather live in 397 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: danger or be in danger than be labeled like a 398 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: bigot or something or racist. I mean, we saw this. 399 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: There's this video recently of a white guy sobbing because 400 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: the police are then going to arrest a black man 401 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: who was armed with a knife who was allegedly threatening 402 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: to stab his family. But he's so besides himself because 403 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to look like a racist by having 404 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: this black guy arrested, despite the fact that the guy 405 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: was allegedly brandishing a knife and threatening his family. And 406 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: so it's sort of crazy that we have arrived at 407 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: this juncture where you know, someone would almost rather be 408 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: at risk than to be labeled a racist. 409 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, like I understand the concern 410 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: there for some of these folks who look you know 411 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: it as someone who goes on TV and talks about 412 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: controversial issues and you talk about them on your podcast, 413 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: you will get attacked for it, right, And the average 414 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: person who doesn't work in the media doesn't want to 415 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: have to deal with that. They don't want to have 416 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: to deal with the mob showing up to their home. 417 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: They don't want to deal with the doxing that goes 418 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: on on a regular basis. To folks who make even 419 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: reasonable raise, even reasonable concerns about what's been going on 420 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: in their neighborhood or in an individual case like the 421 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: one you just cited, like you shouldn't have to fear 422 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: being doxed and harassed and bullied as a result. And 423 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: so it has for the longest time led to people 424 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: not saying anything. And I think a perfect example is 425 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: what's going on with school boards all across the country. 426 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: Parents weren't saying anything in large part actually, at least 427 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: to begin with, because they didn't realize how bad things 428 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: were in the classroom. And then obviously when it went 429 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: to remote learning. The one positive that came out of 430 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: that was a better understanding of the propaganda and indoctrination 431 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: that is happening in schools. And many still felt uncomfortable 432 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: speaking because they didn't want to be that person, right, 433 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be the one person who would 434 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: stand up, But at some point one person did decide 435 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: to stand up, and then all of a sudden, people realized, oh, 436 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: wait a minute, my views are actually shared by more 437 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: people in this community. I maybe will speak up next time, 438 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: and that has a domino effect. And then when you 439 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: realize you're not an individual going up against a vocal mob, 440 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: you feel a lot more comfortable and a lot more 441 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: willing to speak up and say something. But a lot 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: of that also, I think depends on where you live. 443 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: It was much easier for some folks in you know, 444 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: a Virginia or a Maryland, or a Florida or a 445 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: Texas than it is for someone in a Washington, Oregon 446 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: or California. 447 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: And isn't changing that societal aspect, changing you know, those viewpoints. 448 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot harder to do than just 449 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: make policy changes, right, I mean to change the culture, 450 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: to change the society, to change the way we have 451 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: now been programmed to view things. I mean, that's more 452 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: difficult to do. 453 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: That's a cultural shift, and cultural shifts don't just happen overnight. 454 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: It takes sustained pressure. It helps when you have the 455 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: media on your side, as the radical left has had 456 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: for the last several years. In particular, the policy changes 457 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: can always be overturned, right. You can refund a police department, 458 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: you can remove a policy on sex education in the schools. 459 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: But what unfortunately ends up happening is you end up 460 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: changing sort of the cultural norms. From a crime perspective. 461 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: You basically told the criminals that they're going to be 462 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: viewed as victims. Don't worry, you're not really going to 463 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: do any jail time. And even if you start to 464 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: change that, you start to jail some folks, it takes 465 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: a long time for that shift in thinking to materialize 466 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: and actually change behavior. Same thing with educators. For the 467 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: longest time, they got away with a whole bunch of 468 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: content that they should not have been putting in front 469 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: of kids. And even when you've got a school board 470 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: that ends up deciding no, you're not going to do 471 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: this anymore, you still have the educators who are used 472 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: to it, and they're not just going to change because 473 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: you change some policy. You got to change the person 474 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: in that position by terminating them if they continue to 475 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: violate school rules or district rules, or they have to 476 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: start to shift the way that they think. I prefer 477 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: that part rather than just firing people. But the shift 478 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: in thinking is always going to be more difficult. And 479 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: even though I focus on the cultural issues, we can't 480 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: understate how import or overstate how important the policy changes are. 481 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: Because if I change a policy on prosecutions and the 482 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: city or the county comes to their senses and they 483 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: vote that person out, well if the policy still exists, 484 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: you're not going to really see any change at the 485 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: state level. When they change laws. And let's say you 486 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: go from a Democrat majority to a split equal the 487 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: House as the Republican side the Senate has the Democrats, 488 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: well you still have those laws in place that have 489 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: fundamentally shifted everything, and it's not going to be easy 490 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: to overturn those laws. So the cultural part is important, 491 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: and it's difficult to change culture, but it's sometimes also 492 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: difficult to change laws or policies. And the left talks 493 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: a lot about institutionalized isms. Well, they've just institutionalized their 494 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: ideology every time they changed a law, and you can't 495 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: just easily overturn some of that. 496 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Quick break more on what's killing our cities? Why not 497 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: leave Seattle. 498 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: Because you know I work here. The thing is, I 499 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: don't feel like I should have to leave a city 500 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: that I live in and work in simply because there 501 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: are progressives in charge who don't see things the way 502 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: I see things. Rather than give up on the city, 503 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: I like to continue to be a voice here. I think, 504 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: especially in Seattle, really the Pacific Northwest in general, and 505 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: one could argue the West Coast, you don't really have 506 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 2: many conservative voices who are talking about these issues in 507 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: way that are intended to get people to change the 508 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: way that they're being forced to live. I find value 509 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 2: in that someone needs to do it, so it might 510 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: as well be me. 511 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: Why'd you decide to write the book? 512 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: I decided to write the book because I for the 513 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: very reason I decide to stay in Seattle. I think 514 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: it's important to not just give up. I think it's 515 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: important for the folks who can't just give up and 516 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: move because they've got kids or lives that are just 517 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: so firmly established. I think it's important to make changes. 518 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: I just find that you can't adequately or successfully change 519 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: policy or change minds when you don't know why people 520 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: think the way that they think. And because I think 521 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: the media in general does such a poor job in 522 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: connecting dots between a policy and initiative, a strategy, whatever 523 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: it happens to be, an ideology and an end result. 524 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: It's harder for people to convince their friends and family 525 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: and neighbors to change the way that they look at things. 526 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: And so what I do and what's killing America is 527 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: I explain what's going on. Of course, I explain the what, 528 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: but I explain the why. Why is this happening? And 529 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: why does one side believe what it believes? And armed 530 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: with this knowledge, I think everyday folks can go ahead 531 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: and actually engage in meaningful conversations that changes minds with 532 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: their neighbors and their families and friends. I don't care 533 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: what the activist community thinks. I honestly don't give a 534 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: damn about what they say or what they think. I'm 535 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: never going to convince them to change. But I can 536 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: convince my neighbor. I can convince my uncle or my 537 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: brother because we have relationships and I have easy access 538 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: to speaking to them. And all of us in our 539 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: lives have those people. And if enough of us actually 540 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: step up and have those conversations and start to become 541 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: our own activists, when we do, that will win these battles. 542 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: If we don't we're going to continue to lose and 543 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: we're going to continue to complain about the cities we 544 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: live in. And for the people who can't just easily 545 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: move out of their neighborhood that is directly impacted right now, 546 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: you have to do something to change. And let's be clear, 547 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: this is going to continue to spread. It is like 548 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: a cancer. Radical ideology frankly on either side of the 549 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: aisle will spread and does spread. So you might think 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: that you are escaping something if I were to leave SEAL. 551 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: Let's say I were to go to Florida. Yeah, it's 552 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: great right now, but if you're not on your toes, 553 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: things can change rather quickly, and I want to arm 554 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: people with that knowledge. 555 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you'd like to leave us with 556 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: before we go? 557 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: I would say, just hitting back on that theme, people 558 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: have way more power than they realize to impact the 559 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: decisions that are being made in their name. We seed 560 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: a lot of power to a small group of radicals, 561 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: whether we're talking about New York, LA or again even 562 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: in Red States. We see this power to a small 563 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: group of radicals and they end up making changes to 564 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: laws and policies that impact all of us, and by 565 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: seating that power. We are choosing to allow a small 566 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: group of radicals to put our lives on the line, 567 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: our quality of life on the line, and we don't 568 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: have to do that. We can choose to take this 569 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: power back and if we do it, When we do it, 570 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: we will be much happier and this country will thrive 571 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: in ways it hasn't before. If we don't do anything, 572 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: if we continue to sit back and allow the radicals 573 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: to take control, you know, the next book might be 574 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: Inside the Radical Left's tragic destruction of our country, and 575 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to get to that point. 576 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, then that's certainly the direction that this is all going, 577 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: you know. I think we've all seen that under Joe Biden. Sadly, 578 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Jason rant the book is called What's Killing America? Inside 579 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: the Radical Left Tragic Destruction of our Cities. Sounds like 580 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: a great book. I appreciate you joining the show and 581 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: breaking this all down for us and telling us a 582 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit about your book. 583 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. 584 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: That was Jason Randt. Appreciate him taking the time to 585 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: join the show and talk about his book and What's 586 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: killing America, particularly our cities. Want to thank you guys 587 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: at Home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you 588 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. And I also want to 589 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting the show together. 590 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: Until next time,