WEBVTT - Music Saved Me| Dee Snider: Musician/Author/DJ

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<v Speaker 1>Music site.

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<v Speaker 2>The intensity of that music empowered me and gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the strength save me. Otherwise I would have just I

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<v Speaker 2>remember I took a school aptitude test and it said farmer, farmer?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they think that I would farmer? And I

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<v Speaker 2>will know? I think it may have been. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that may have been the starting gun of like I

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<v Speaker 2>will not be a farmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, where we focus

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<v Speaker 3>on the healing powers of music. I'm your host Lynn Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 3>and on this episode we get to talk with a

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<v Speaker 3>true rock icon from a legendary band who is also

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<v Speaker 3>an actor, a television host, a novelist, graphic novelist, syndicated

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<v Speaker 3>radio talk show host, composer, recent game show host, contestant.

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<v Speaker 1>The list goes on act I put that in there.

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<v Speaker 3>But secretly, even though he probably doesn't want me to

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<v Speaker 3>mention it. He's also one of the kindest and most

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<v Speaker 3>giving guys I know, with an equally incredible family. D

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<v Speaker 3>Snyder is best known as the badass front man of

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<v Speaker 3>the incredible eighties rock band Twisted Sister, and he also

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<v Speaker 3>happens to be a dear old friend Dee Snider.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Music Saved Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and great to be here, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>all those kind accolades. It's much appreciated. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>love to talk about this because you know, music saved me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know my music has saved others, which blows

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<v Speaker 2>my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, just because we go way back and I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of think of you as a brother from another mother,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm going to start with the hardest question

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<v Speaker 3>up front, which is what you were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember when music first saved you.

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<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with rock and roll after seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. Ash. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see them, I heard about them being there because my

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<v Speaker 2>dad had banned television in our house. But that such

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<v Speaker 2>was the effect of the Beatles appearance that just people

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it made me want to be a Beetle,

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<v Speaker 2>which turned out you couldn't be that, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>to be a rock star. But as I started there

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<v Speaker 2>was an elementary school at that point. But as I

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<v Speaker 2>started growing and became this background layer character some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't fit in anywhere. I just wasn't. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>I had more to offer, yet I just was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those nobody's in school and at about sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>just decided that I would not go silently into the

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<v Speaker 2>night and people would hear from me. They would notice me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would and I had something to say. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was first the using music to power me, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I was drawn to harder music. It wasn't called

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal back then. It was hard rock. The bands

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<v Speaker 2>like Cream and Hendricks and Mountain and all these bands,

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<v Speaker 2>and it started a grand bunk wear road and it

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<v Speaker 2>led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, these are all hard rock bands.

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<v Speaker 2>But that intensity of that music empowered me and gave

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<v Speaker 2>me the strength, saved me. Otherwise I would have just

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I took a school aptitude test and it

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<v Speaker 2>said farmer, farmer? Why did they think that I would farmer?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to know I think it may have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that may have been the starting gun of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not be a farmer. I'm somebody. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to beat somebody. And it was the music that lifted

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<v Speaker 2>me up and drove me forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I recalled back after reading your memoir not too

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<v Speaker 3>long ago, you had mentioned something about you you always

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<v Speaker 3>had to shut up and shut up and be good

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<v Speaker 3>and and sit down and do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And say the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Was there a moment in your childhood when you just

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<v Speaker 3>decided you weren't going to shut up anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's it's interesting you brought that up,

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<v Speaker 2>because in the new graphic novel, he's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>take it. They want to do it's about my senate appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>But they wanted to understand how me and that moment

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<v Speaker 2>in time converged and how I was there to be

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<v Speaker 2>that voice to fight censorship in nineteen eighty five. And

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<v Speaker 2>as we look back and as we talked, they found

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<v Speaker 2>out exactly bad. I was a kid that was told

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<v Speaker 2>be quiet, know your place, shush, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of pushed in the background. And at about

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old, I got tired of shushing. I got

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<v Speaker 2>tired of not being heard, and I started acting out

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<v Speaker 2>in school and not violently or anything, but you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I started wearing a derby that got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention. But I was in a band and

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<v Speaker 2>we became a popular local band, not Twisted when I

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<v Speaker 2>was in high school, and all those things gave me.

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<v Speaker 2>The microphone gave me a place for people to hear me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really was first my voice that they heard,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in between songs I started yeappen and soon

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<v Speaker 2>I became a thing for d snider to the in

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<v Speaker 2>between parts. As my wife used to say, I like

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<v Speaker 2>the in between the songs better than I like the

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<v Speaker 2>songs because when you're talking, it's entertaining and it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really was, you know. I got tired at

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<v Speaker 2>round sixteen again of just being a background player and said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going to be heard and I will never

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<v Speaker 2>shut up again, and I haven't. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>You said that the music inspired you. Do you believe

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<v Speaker 3>that music has you know, supernatural healing powers, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something you can't quite put your finger on, but that

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<v Speaker 3>that drove you, or that drives people in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that one I you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say what interestingly? So here I am, you know, listening

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<v Speaker 2>to bands I mentioned, I listen to all the bands,

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<v Speaker 2>and but they're not it's the power of the music

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<v Speaker 2>that is inspiring me. Then I start finding bands like

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<v Speaker 2>Alice Hooper who have messages that are inspiring me. The

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<v Speaker 2>song I'm eighteen was out when I was eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was I'm getting chills right now because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a line in there I'm a boy and I'm a man,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like it was like you're on the

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<v Speaker 2>cusp of being an adult, but you're still treated like

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<v Speaker 2>a child. And this was one of the first times

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<v Speaker 2>that the lyrics and Alice was all about anthem. Schools Out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all these great anthems. I graduated when Schools

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<v Speaker 2>Out came out. I mean, I'm getting chills, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like have that song come out when I'm getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of high school. I mean the words now were connecting

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<v Speaker 2>with me and made me as I wasn't a songwriter yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I became a songwriter, I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to sit there singing about you know, heavy metal

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<v Speaker 2>fantasies or sex and drugs and rock and roll. Well

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<v Speaker 2>rock and roll, sure, but sex and drugs. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say more. I want to inspire people, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, I'm inspiring myself. Our first hit in

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<v Speaker 2>England with a song called I Am Me, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was literally my personal declaration of independence. Who are you

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<v Speaker 2>to look down at what I believe? I'm onto your

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<v Speaker 2>thinking and how you deceive. No, you can't abuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't stand no more. Yes I know the reason,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I know the score, I am, I'm me, and

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<v Speaker 2>people said, what do you popeye? I am what I am? No,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was just like what as I am? On me?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a statement. It doesn't matter what I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a person and I have the right to have

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<v Speaker 2>my feelings and my beliefs and my opinions. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I started using the words to further energize and empower me,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time hoping that people out there

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<v Speaker 2>were hearing. People like myself who were background players, were

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<v Speaker 2>listening and going, he's talking to me. I hear this. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, He's right, And I wanted them to be

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<v Speaker 2>lifted up as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because you once told me that, and you

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<v Speaker 3>told us up front on the show that music has

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<v Speaker 3>literally your music specifically has changed people's lives and saved them.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you maybe share one or two of those stories

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<v Speaker 3>that you witnessed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the only one I need to tell, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's tons of little stories of people who tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, you know that that my music, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just empowered them and drove them, and always they turned

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<v Speaker 2>to it and lifts them up with my words, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stay hungry, and we're not going to take it. And

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<v Speaker 2>all these statements that I was making was all we're

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<v Speaker 2>all words of empowerment. I get an email and I

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<v Speaker 2>was to my email address. I don't know how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an email address. And when I see I don't recognize it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just deleted. But it's said you save seven lives,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh my gosh, when they saved seven lives, what

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<v Speaker 2>is that about? You know, go to press read and

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<v Speaker 2>I got one eye closed, so, like I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually totally read it. And it was a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who using my music for inspiration. He was a kayaker

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<v Speaker 2>and kayak deaths happened when the kayak flips over and

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<v Speaker 2>they get stuck in rocks and they drown. Playing my

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<v Speaker 2>Stay Hungry album over and over, he created an air

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<v Speaker 2>bladder life best that gives you air for forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes and it just I'm getting chills again. Oh I

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<v Speaker 2>just come out. This is years ago. This is years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said you saved seven lives this year. It

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<v Speaker 2>just came out and people are already And if your album,

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<v Speaker 2>if I hadn't heard your words Stay Hungry and that

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<v Speaker 2>just driving me forward, I wouldn't have stuck with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did, and now my inventions reality and it

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<v Speaker 2>is saving lives. So you have seen your music has

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<v Speaker 2>saved lives. How's that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty amazing story.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible. You never know who you're touching, who you're reaching.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day, now, the social media I saw I

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<v Speaker 2>saw in Indonesia at a soccer game, hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people singing we're not going to take it in

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<v Speaker 2>some foreign language but waving there, but I'm going, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't realize you just can't popular with

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<v Speaker 2>that's art though, whether it's a drawing, whether it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of your shows. You know, I know that you've you've

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<v Speaker 2>done really well in the ratings. You know, you're hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that your message that you're trying to communicate here will

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<v Speaker 2>reach people and help people and lift them up. So

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully you're saving lives to live.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thanks, Well, you know, ever since I've known you,

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<v Speaker 3>you've you've pretty much been giving back. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>that's what attracted us to each other to begin with,

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<v Speaker 3>not just that we worked on VH one, but but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we both wanted to use our platform to

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<v Speaker 3>do good things and to help people, because otherwise it's

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<v Speaker 3>really not worth it. But music specifically is really just

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<v Speaker 3>so special because it's, like you said, it's art, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's beyond just talking heads or saying things. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>the things that really reach down deep and grab people.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I really want to know, I've been with

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<v Speaker 3>you personally on appearances and seeing how you deal with

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<v Speaker 3>people of all kinds, all walks of life, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>very disarming and you make them feel so comfortable. What

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know, and what I think everyone listening

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<v Speaker 3>might want to know, is how does it make you

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<v Speaker 3>feel when you meet or witness someone who has been

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<v Speaker 3>helped deeply by your music.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't play anymore. Occasional I'll go do a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of songs, but you know, like the other night

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<v Speaker 2>I played with Red Michael's for a couple of songs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more fun than anything. But touring recording albums, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not what I do. But I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>signing appearances a lot, and people line up and I

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<v Speaker 2>try to get each person on that line. They wait

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes for hours. They're a moment, you know. I was

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<v Speaker 2>trained really well by members of Kiss. I won't name names,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did my first signing with members of Kiss

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<v Speaker 2>and they were so rude to the fans. We were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at a table together. I just said, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be that guy. These people waiting and how

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<v Speaker 2>could you not look them in the eye, How do

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<v Speaker 2>you not shake their hand? How can you not take

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<v Speaker 2>a moment to acknowledge how much their passion for you do.

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<v Speaker 2>But on those lines, everybody's got a story, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always glad to hear it. And you're tired of hearing this, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never tired of hearing it, never ever, ever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get people coming up to me in tears, shaking

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<v Speaker 2>because I meant so much to them, the music meant

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<v Speaker 2>so much to them. And a lot of times they

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<v Speaker 2>share with me a story, a memory, something. With the

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<v Speaker 2>younger ones, often it's with their parents now who passed on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they talk about how they shared my music or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a lasting memory. So I find that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always welcoming to everybody comes up, which it throws

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<v Speaker 2>people off a little bit, and I expect that, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that they want to bite their head off.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, yeah, I'm just I'm honored

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm touched. Yes, I was trying to reach them. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted them to hear my words, but so many

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<v Speaker 2>people don't hear what I'm saying. They hear the catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 2>And I won't go political, but there are people on

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<v Speaker 2>many people who use where I'm going to take it

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<v Speaker 2>as their battle cry, and not just me. You hear

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<v Speaker 2>so many musicians like rage as a machine killing in

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<v Speaker 2>the name. People like, yeah, you, we won't do what

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us, you know, and they're completely missing the

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<v Speaker 2>point of the song. And so when there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who come up to me and talk to me and

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<v Speaker 2>share with me, and I go, you got it, I

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<v Speaker 2>often hug them and go. I was shouting in the

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<v Speaker 2>screaming in the night, hoping people like you would hear me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you did, and I'm glad it helped. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting choked up. You wanted that? Who are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara Walters?

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say, giving me my Barbara Walter's moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why I wear stung glasses. I'm getting too

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<v Speaker 2>emotional in my old age. I love it. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>You were once quoted as saying, there's so much about

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<v Speaker 3>your life that you didn't see coming, referring to all

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<v Speaker 3>the incredible things that you've been able to accomplish in

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<v Speaker 3>your career, you know, both career and personally. But looking

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<v Speaker 3>back on your life now, how much would you say

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<v Speaker 3>music played a role? I know that seems kind of obvious,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I was my mindset a third a third,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was, but it was really It's not really true,

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<v Speaker 2>it was maybe a third. Like so much more of

0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.640
<v Speaker 2>my life came after music. And I'm not talking about you.

0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I played until it was my sixties, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it was you know, reunion shows and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was that, you know, up until forty where I

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, actively, really really creative musically, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got so that was a part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went into acting in voiceover and radio

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<v Speaker 2>and TV and reality too much reality TV and writing books, screenplays.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be directing next. So I said all

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But it really is all about the music

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<v Speaker 2>because the music is the foundation, the platform that set

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<v Speaker 2>me up, that lifted me up, It liberated me, it

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<v Speaker 2>freed me, It gave me the platform to do these

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<v Speaker 2>other things. Now, minds you, as we all know from

0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the great David Lee raw taking over for Howard Stearn story.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just start doing radio out of nowhere. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a craft. And I've been doing radio for thirty years

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<v Speaker 2>and I've gotten as you know, we've worked together, I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten good at it. But it has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with me being a rock star. It has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with putting the hours, getting on the mic, listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the life. But I tell people said, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you what are you tell me about? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be in radio, So you got to

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<v Speaker 2>love this out of your own voice. And they said,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean by that? I said, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to air checks endlessly. You got to record

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and listen back and and it's painful, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, so you learn how to get better. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>all but it all comes down to it all started

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<v Speaker 2>with music. It's still will whaterever be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>my life. I got a great T shirt this is

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<v Speaker 2>Death by Rock and Roll on it and which is

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<v Speaker 2>a good way to go. And you know, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>without it I would have and being nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it can be very personal too. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>when you when you put out new albums, and music

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<v Speaker 3>to be judged by the world. When was the moment

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<v Speaker 3>that you realized, Okay, we're really onto something musically in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of creating you know that positive emotional feedback with

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<v Speaker 3>your songs and from your audiences. Why do you think

0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.040
<v Speaker 3>your music still resonates to this day. Is it because

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<v Speaker 3>it's anthemic or is it because of the words? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it the melody? I mean, there's something magical in there

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<v Speaker 3>that keeps something alive for that many years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I'll start by saying, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped writing is because after you've written and had

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<v Speaker 2>it received, play it on the radio, listen to lauded

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<v Speaker 2>and enjoyed. I you know, it's very hard. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me just go back to writing for my own

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<v Speaker 2>head and writing. And I wrote and wrote and wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>and virtually none of that music landed with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that there and.

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<v Speaker 2>What to write and write and write? Or no, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It was painful because once you know you in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>once you've had your children and your songs like your children,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've been out there and people are just enjoying them.

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<v Speaker 2>Very hard to go back to writing in a in

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<v Speaker 2>a in a void and just playing it for yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and not really having anybody hear it. And when you say,

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<v Speaker 2>these songs are just as good as the stuff better wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew at one point that was death broto I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote some of the best music of my life. The

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<v Speaker 2>stuff virtually never came out until like twenty years later.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just sort of a it got shelved by lecture.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another story. But I got tired of writing stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't getting heard after because I experienced how amazing

0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.239
<v Speaker 2>it feels to see I call it smiles at the

0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.600
<v Speaker 2>speed of sound we played. We would play these festivals.

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<v Speaker 2>I play these festivals thirty fifty ninety one hundred thousand

0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.119
<v Speaker 2>people and when you go into the songs, when you

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<v Speaker 2>go into we're not gonna take it and prove, But

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<v Speaker 2>I see it from the stage, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>smiles that start the front row, the first people receiving

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<v Speaker 2>the audio audio information, and it goes all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to the back. I could see it, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>hands and the body language, and it is such an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible feeling to know you're connecting with people on that

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<v Speaker 2>level those moments. But it it's a drug. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>hard because you know later in your career and every

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<v Speaker 2>single rock star talks about this. You know, I call

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<v Speaker 2>new Materialists the bathroom song because I don't care what

0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 2>urinary problems you have. The minute the lead singer if

0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.359
<v Speaker 2>any band says her Ring's off the new album, you

0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.320
<v Speaker 2>can see people running for the bathroom. Okay, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's said. I tell the audience, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>I see you, I see you that I saw I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Zeppelin. More Physical Graffiti came out and that is

0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.320
<v Speaker 2>his greag Garden and they said this one's off the

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<v Speaker 2>new albums called Physical Graffiti. They started playing Physical Graffiti,

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<v Speaker 2>not because they played Kashmir. This is Kashmere. Half the

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.440
<v Speaker 2>arena went to the bathroom or to get a beer

0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 2>because nobody knew the song. Nobody and it sounded like

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 2>crapping mad Square Garden. But I'm going, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you know, it's hurtful as a career an

0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 2>artist to see your music not being respected. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I I walked away from it. That's why I

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 2>walked away for it. As far as your question about

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 2>you know when it all comes together, well, first of all,

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Twisted it was together I was with them for eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>They were together two years before I got there. I

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<v Speaker 2>was the only songwriter we you know, I say, with

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<v Speaker 2>the Tupac Shakur of retired metal bands, because a JJ

0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.720
<v Speaker 2>French keeps finding new tapes to release. And I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to these early songs and my god, I'm embarrassed. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, No wonder we didn't get signed. Oh my god,

0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.359
<v Speaker 2>those songs are terrible. You know, as I said with

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<v Speaker 2>radio writing, songwriting is a craft. You have to get

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<v Speaker 2>good at it. So by the time we got the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's right around when we got signed, I started

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>hitting my stride as a songwriter, really understanding the craft

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 2>of writing a song. And it is, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>is melody meets meets the music, that meets the lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>meets the production. It's all those pieces that you've studied

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>and learned how to achieve, all coming together. And it

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 2>was that understanding that, you know, put us over the goldpost.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you that that moment where I knew

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we arrived. Okay, yes, so we were all we in England.

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<v Speaker 2>We just released the album. But back in the old days,

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.119
<v Speaker 2>when you were a child, you would know about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It took in America, it took like eight weeks, seven

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 2>eight weeks for the record to get out to the stores,

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 2>get out to the radio stations, sach, get out there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So we went to Europe immediately upon release

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of the record because over there the countries are like states,

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:37.919
<v Speaker 2>and you can go to England and you know, the

0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 2>information has been received, play shows, and we're hearing that

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<v Speaker 2>in the States. We're not gonna take it as doing well.

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 2>We're hearing about a lot of ads going on and

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. But it's all internet and nothing like that.

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>We're just hearing it's doing great, it's doing great. Come

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<v Speaker 2>home and and Susette and I walk in. We had

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a pretty big tour in England with big stars. Floated

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<v Speaker 2>into the house as I always do, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>a god. And Susan goes, yeah, empty the diaper pail.

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.360
<v Speaker 2>It smells horrible, okay, And I go empty the back.

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 2>He goes, Now you go up to the dairy barne

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>and get some milk. Okay. So you know what I

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.640
<v Speaker 2>thought it was? It was a rock star too. Two

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.520
<v Speaker 2>hours ago. Now I'm ana bother again. So anyway, which

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<v Speaker 2>I love being a father again in the car, Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>is turn the radio. We're not gonna take its playing

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.360
<v Speaker 2>W B A B No. I wonder what's playing on?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it on the other station? Came w L

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<v Speaker 2>I R boom. Hit the button, We're not gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>its playing. I said, all right, I'm going with the

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<v Speaker 2>TRITECHTA the other rock station in town w P L

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<v Speaker 2>J boom where I could take its playing. Every station

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 2>was playing where I could take it. I'm going, all right,

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>this is happening. When that happens, I've never had that

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<v Speaker 2>happen on the radio ever, you know, with anybody's music.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you've arrived. You know that was the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And I want to ask you more, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>running out of time, unfortunately. But maybe you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>the story about how Lenny brought to you on stage

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 3>and they were throwing bottles. Let me and that's a

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>pretty emotional story, which I remember when you told me,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I was reading your autobiographies that you made

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<v Speaker 3>me read sitting next to you on a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>So I could ask you questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a deep thing to do, I would stop talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen read this first before we talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I had read recently that the Israeli Defense Force asked

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<v Speaker 3>you if they could use we're not going to take

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 3>it as their battlecry to fight these terrorists. And I

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<v Speaker 3>thought to myself, that must just blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>A and B.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kind of like a superhero. And I bring this

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<v Speaker 3>up only because you have a new graphic novel that

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<v Speaker 3>you just recently released and you're the superhero on front.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not going to take it. And I just wanted

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.240
<v Speaker 3>to ask what that was all about. Is this your

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<v Speaker 3>true self finally getting to come out and be the

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<v Speaker 3>comic book hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a comic book I was always a comic

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>book kid. I loved comics. One of the things I

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>picked up when we didn't have TV in our house

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>reading comics. And yeah, nothing better than seeing yourself represented

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 2>as a superhero. And people, if you read, he's not

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>going to take it. No, I don't have a cape

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 2>or anything, but they just the perception of that's put

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 2>forth of me going to Washington is that I was heroic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you, looking back on it, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that I was able to walk with

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<v Speaker 2>pants that tight and balls that big, Okay, because I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I look as a wall. My god, I just like,

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<v Speaker 2>holy crap. I could do it again, for sure. But Wow,

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to be twenty something and be that confident in your

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<v Speaker 2>belief system to go and sit down and stand before

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<v Speaker 2>those senators and what have you and speak your mind

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<v Speaker 2>and debate them and argue with them. Pretty proud of that,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm proud that people view it as a heroic moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't view myself as a superhero. I do have

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<v Speaker 2>a cape at home, but I never wear it on

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<v Speaker 2>the street. And I just when I hear I heard

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<v Speaker 2>that that were Ukrainian soldiers were using we're we're playing

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<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna take it. Israeli soldiers were playing where

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<v Speaker 2>I could take it our own military, United States military,

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to take it. It lifts them up

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<v Speaker 2>and helps them do a dirty job, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>dirty job, defending the world's tough job. Then I am

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<v Speaker 2>more than honored because the military goes it is due

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<v Speaker 2>to the volunteer army that we have that I was

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to explore all of my dreams. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to serve in the military, thanks to my dad and

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<v Speaker 2>all the great soldiers who in the volunteer Army and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed. I was allowed to just be in a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy rock and roll band and be create. So if

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<v Speaker 2>something I created because they allowed me to create, that

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<v Speaker 2>lifts them up and inspires them, It's full circle as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure is. And it's so powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm so happy for you that you've been able

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<v Speaker 3>to make such a fruitful, an amazing career, not only

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<v Speaker 3>for yourself and your family, but how much you have

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<v Speaker 3>touched the lives of just generations of people and you're

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<v Speaker 3>helping countries. Your legacy. The last thought is you know

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<v Speaker 3>your musical legacy. How proud are you of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, my manager always says, you only have two hits,

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<v Speaker 2>make him doozies, and that's Fill Carson, you know Phil, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and because he works with somebody with Foreigner and you

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<v Speaker 2>know he signed Abbah and Genesis, and yes, guy's responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for about three hundred and seventy five million records sold

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<v Speaker 2>ac DC. But my two big songs are some of

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<v Speaker 2>the most licensed songs of the eighties. They're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>that we will rock you and we're the champions of

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties as far as licensing goes, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, I told you that. Just saw

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a thing of in Eurasia at a football game, one

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand people singing, we're not going to take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Never expected the music to reach that far. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I leave a single song behind and it's

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<v Speaker 2>become a folks song already, and wherever you go, the

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>whole world knows a song, then I don't even know

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>who wrote it anymore, many of them. And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a you know, if that I leave that legacy

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<v Speaker 2>and a song that inspires people and empowers people to

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<v Speaker 2>push back, you know, and sometimes you got to push back,

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>no matter we have, everybody has to push back sometimes.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>If that one song is you know, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is maybe maybe a'll right down on my tombstone.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he did not take it.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't well, eventually he died.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're standing over that grave, apparently he took

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<v Speaker 1>it one left time.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't beat that. No one's beat that yet. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me know when they do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, oh my gosh, I hope that day never happens.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just such a pleasure to know you and call

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<v Speaker 3>you a friend, and I'm so grateful that you would

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 3>come on and do this for me today and share

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<v Speaker 3>all of your personal emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost brought you to tears.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that's why I wear the glasses, see see you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, it's emotional. You know what, feelings mutual

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<v Speaker 2>like a sister to me. And you know, one regret

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>is that you know our past. You know, I live

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<v Speaker 2>in la You got you and your husband in Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And it's tough to see your friends. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's always whenever we get in the air, we just

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like we've never met. We don't miss a beat.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And one time you told me I was too nice,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm a little less nice now, so maybe something

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<v Speaker 3>will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an old time story for another show. People me

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and Lynn talking about doing a show together, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they said to her, is is it's too nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll tell you. I can't complain. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>complain here.

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Someone like me, somebody like me doing radio me. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to push back, that's right, you can't. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>be because I'm so like you know, like like that.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>You gotta be able to say, hey, I disagree with

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you on that. No, you know what, just be like

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 2>my wife. You have to be like my wife. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to. You gotta be able to say no.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she get a word in ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I don't say just a word in my

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<v Speaker 2>quiet in the house. I don't talk virtually at all.

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>You would think I'm I'm a quiet one. Everybody'll let

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody else shine in the house. Just a little side

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<v Speaker 2>on my book Frats. By the way, my novel Frats

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>is out now available in stories. Is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>made into a major motion picture. I just found out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell any more about that. But my favorite

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>review so far was Susette. She read it, She comes

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and sort of we're just sort of there. She goes,

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<v Speaker 2>the book's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, why, it's like she's mad about it?

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<v Speaker 2>By right, just the book book, it's really good. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you liked it, She goes, don't make me blow more

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>smoke of your butt than I've been doing for the

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<v Speaker 2>last forty seven years. Yes, I like it. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the tough, toughest critic of all.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I don't mess with a woman who will get

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<v Speaker 3>on her own house's roof to clean it.

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<v Speaker 1>By yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>D thank you so much for being on music save

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I wish we had another day and a

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<v Speaker 3>half because I still have so much to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you about.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe you'll come back again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>You can just say come back on the show when

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<v Speaker 2>you're ready and we'll do it all right, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much, right awesome