1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:00,960 Speaker 1: Music site. 2 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: The intensity of that music empowered me and gave me 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: the strength save me. Otherwise I would have just I 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: remember I took a school aptitude test and it said farmer, farmer? 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: Why did they think that I would farmer? And I 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: will know? I think it may have been. I think 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: that may have been the starting gun of like I 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: will not be a farmer. 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, where we focus 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 3: on the healing powers of music. I'm your host Lynn Hoffman, 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 3: and on this episode we get to talk with a 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: true rock icon from a legendary band who is also 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: an actor, a television host, a novelist, graphic novelist, syndicated 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: radio talk show host, composer, recent game show host, contestant. 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: The list goes on act I put that in there. 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: But secretly, even though he probably doesn't want me to 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: mention it. He's also one of the kindest and most 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: giving guys I know, with an equally incredible family. D 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: Snyder is best known as the badass front man of 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: the incredible eighties rock band Twisted Sister, and he also 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: happens to be a dear old friend Dee Snider. 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Music Saved Me. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: Well, and great to be here, and thank you for 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: all those kind accolades. It's much appreciated. And yeah, I 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: love to talk about this because you know, music saved me, 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: and I know my music has saved others, which blows 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: my mind. 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: Yes, well, just because we go way back and I 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: kind of think of you as a brother from another mother, 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: I think I'm going to start with the hardest question 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: up front, which is what you were just talking about. 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: Do you remember when music first saved you. 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: I fell in love with rock and roll after seeing 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. Ash. I didn't 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: see them, I heard about them being there because my 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: dad had banned television in our house. But that such 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: was the effect of the Beatles appearance that just people 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: talking about it made me want to be a Beetle, 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: which turned out you couldn't be that, so I had 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: to be a rock star. But as I started there 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: was an elementary school at that point. But as I 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: started growing and became this background layer character some you know, 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: I didn't fit in anywhere. I just wasn't. I knew 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: I had more to offer, yet I just was one 45 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: of those nobody's in school and at about sixteen, I 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: just decided that I would not go silently into the 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: night and people would hear from me. They would notice me, 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: and they would and I had something to say. And 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: it was first the using music to power me, and 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: that I was drawn to harder music. It wasn't called 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: heavy metal back then. It was hard rock. The bands 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: like Cream and Hendricks and Mountain and all these bands, 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: and it started a grand bunk wear road and it 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, these are all hard rock bands. 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: But that intensity of that music empowered me and gave 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: me the strength, saved me. Otherwise I would have just 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: I remember I took a school aptitude test and it 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: said farmer, farmer? Why did they think that I would farmer? 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: And I'm going to know I think it may have been. 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: I think that may have been the starting gun of like, 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: I will not be a farmer. I'm somebody. I'm going 62 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: to beat somebody. And it was the music that lifted 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: me up and drove me forward. 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: Now, I recalled back after reading your memoir not too 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: long ago, you had mentioned something about you you always 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: had to shut up and shut up and be good 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: and and sit down and do the right thing. 68 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: And say the right thing. 69 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: Was there a moment in your childhood when you just 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: decided you weren't going to shut up anymore? 71 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's it's interesting you brought that up, 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: because in the new graphic novel, he's not going to 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: take it. They want to do it's about my senate appearance. 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: But they wanted to understand how me and that moment 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: in time converged and how I was there to be 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: that voice to fight censorship in nineteen eighty five. And 77 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: as we look back and as we talked, they found 78 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: out exactly bad. I was a kid that was told 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: be quiet, know your place, shush, and you know, and 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: just sort of pushed in the background. And at about 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: sixteen years old, I got tired of shushing. I got 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: tired of not being heard, and I started acting out 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: in school and not violently or anything, but you know, well, 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: I remember I started wearing a derby that got a 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: lot of attention. But I was in a band and 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: we became a popular local band, not Twisted when I 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: was in high school, and all those things gave me. 88 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: The microphone gave me a place for people to hear me, 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: and it really was first my voice that they heard, 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: and then in between songs I started yeappen and soon 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 2: I became a thing for d snider to the in 92 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: between parts. As my wife used to say, I like 93 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: the in between the songs better than I like the 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: songs because when you're talking, it's entertaining and it's funny. 95 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: But I really was, you know. I got tired at 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: round sixteen again of just being a background player and said, 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to be heard and I will never 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: shut up again, and I haven't. Now. 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: You said that the music inspired you. Do you believe 100 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 3: that music has you know, supernatural healing powers, you know, 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: something you can't quite put your finger on, but that 102 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: that drove you, or that drives people in general. 103 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: I believe that one I you know, I want to 104 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: say what interestingly? So here I am, you know, listening 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: to bands I mentioned, I listen to all the bands, 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: and but they're not it's the power of the music 107 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: that is inspiring me. Then I start finding bands like 108 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: Alice Hooper who have messages that are inspiring me. The 109 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: song I'm eighteen was out when I was eighteen, and 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: it was I'm getting chills right now because it was 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: a line in there I'm a boy and I'm a man, 112 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: and it was like it was like you're on the 113 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: cusp of being an adult, but you're still treated like 114 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 2: a child. And this was one of the first times 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: that the lyrics and Alice was all about anthem. Schools Out, 116 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: you know, all these great anthems. I graduated when Schools 117 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Out came out. I mean, I'm getting chills, you know, 118 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: like have that song come out when I'm getting out 119 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: of high school. I mean the words now were connecting 120 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: with me and made me as I wasn't a songwriter yet, 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: but when I became a songwriter, I said, I don't 122 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: want to sit there singing about you know, heavy metal 123 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: fantasies or sex and drugs and rock and roll. Well 124 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: rock and roll, sure, but sex and drugs. I want 125 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: to say more. I want to inspire people, but at 126 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: the same time, I'm inspiring myself. Our first hit in 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: England with a song called I Am Me, and it 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: was literally my personal declaration of independence. Who are you 129 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: to look down at what I believe? I'm onto your 130 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: thinking and how you deceive. No, you can't abuse me. 131 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: I won't stand no more. Yes I know the reason, 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: Yes I know the score, I am, I'm me, and 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: people said, what do you popeye? I am what I am? No, 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: But it was just like what as I am? On me? 135 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: It's just a statement. It doesn't matter what I am. 136 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm a person and I have the right to have 137 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: my feelings and my beliefs and my opinions. And so 138 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I started using the words to further energize and empower me, 139 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: but at the same time hoping that people out there 140 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: were hearing. People like myself who were background players, were 141 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: listening and going, he's talking to me. I hear this. Yes, yes, 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: he's right, He's right, And I wanted them to be 143 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: lifted up as well. Well. 144 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: It's interesting because you once told me that, and you 145 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: told us up front on the show that music has 146 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: literally your music specifically has changed people's lives and saved them. 147 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: Can you maybe share one or two of those stories 148 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: that you witnessed. 149 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: This is the only one I need to tell, because 150 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: there's tons of little stories of people who tell me 151 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: that you know, you know that that my music, you know, 152 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: just empowered them and drove them, and always they turned 153 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: to it and lifts them up with my words, you know, 154 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: stay hungry, and we're not going to take it. And 155 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: all these statements that I was making was all we're 156 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: all words of empowerment. I get an email and I 157 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: was to my email address. I don't know how I'm 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: an email address. And when I see I don't recognize it. 159 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: I just deleted. But it's said you save seven lives, 160 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, when they saved seven lives, what 161 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: is that about? You know, go to press read and 162 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: I got one eye closed, so, like I said, I 163 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: didn't actually totally read it. And it was a guy 164 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,239 Speaker 2: who using my music for inspiration. He was a kayaker 165 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: and kayak deaths happened when the kayak flips over and 166 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: they get stuck in rocks and they drown. Playing my 167 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: Stay Hungry album over and over, he created an air 168 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: bladder life best that gives you air for forty five 169 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: minutes and it just I'm getting chills again. Oh I 170 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: just come out. This is years ago. This is years ago, 171 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: but he said you saved seven lives this year. It 172 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: just came out and people are already And if your album, 173 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 2: if I hadn't heard your words Stay Hungry and that 174 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: just driving me forward, I wouldn't have stuck with it. 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: And I did, and now my inventions reality and it 176 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: is saving lives. So you have seen your music has 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: saved lives. How's that? 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: That's a pretty amazing story. 179 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: Incredible. You never know who you're touching, who you're reaching. 180 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: The other day, now, the social media I saw I 181 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: saw in Indonesia at a soccer game, hundreds of thousands 182 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: of people singing we're not going to take it in 183 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: some foreign language but waving there, but I'm going, holy crap. 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: You know, you don't realize you just can't popular with 185 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: that's art though, whether it's a drawing, whether it's one 186 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: of your shows. You know, I know that you've you've 187 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: done really well in the ratings. You know, you're hoping 188 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: that your message that you're trying to communicate here will 189 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: reach people and help people and lift them up. So 190 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: hopefully you're saving lives to live. 191 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Well, you know, ever since I've known you, 192 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: you've you've pretty much been giving back. I feel like 193 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: that's what attracted us to each other to begin with, 194 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: not just that we worked on VH one, but but 195 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: you know, we both wanted to use our platform to 196 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: do good things and to help people, because otherwise it's 197 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: really not worth it. But music specifically is really just 198 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: so special because it's, like you said, it's art, So 199 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: it's beyond just talking heads or saying things. It's it's 200 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: the things that really reach down deep and grab people. 201 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 3: And what I really want to know, I've been with 202 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: you personally on appearances and seeing how you deal with 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: people of all kinds, all walks of life, and you're 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: very disarming and you make them feel so comfortable. What 205 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: I want to know, and what I think everyone listening 206 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: might want to know, is how does it make you 207 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: feel when you meet or witness someone who has been 208 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: helped deeply by your music. 209 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: So I don't play anymore. Occasional I'll go do a 210 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: couple of songs, but you know, like the other night 211 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: I played with Red Michael's for a couple of songs. 212 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: It's more fun than anything. But touring recording albums, it's 213 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: not what I do. But I do a lot of 214 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: signing appearances a lot, and people line up and I 215 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: try to get each person on that line. They wait 216 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: sometimes for hours. They're a moment, you know. I was 217 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: trained really well by members of Kiss. I won't name names, 218 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: but I did my first signing with members of Kiss 219 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: and they were so rude to the fans. We were 220 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: sitting at a table together. I just said, I'm not 221 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: going to be that guy. These people waiting and how 222 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: could you not look them in the eye, How do 223 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: you not shake their hand? How can you not take 224 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: a moment to acknowledge how much their passion for you do. 225 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: But on those lines, everybody's got a story, and I'm 226 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: always glad to hear it. And you're tired of hearing this, No, 227 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: I'm never tired of hearing it, never ever, ever. And 228 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: I get people coming up to me in tears, shaking 229 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: because I meant so much to them, the music meant 230 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: so much to them. And a lot of times they 231 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: share with me a story, a memory, something. With the 232 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: younger ones, often it's with their parents now who passed on, 233 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: and they talk about how they shared my music or whatever, 234 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: and that's a lasting memory. So I find that, you know, 235 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: I'm always welcoming to everybody comes up, which it throws 236 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: people off a little bit, and I expect that, I 237 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: don't know that they want to bite their head off. 238 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: But at the same time, yeah, I'm just I'm honored 239 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: and I'm touched. Yes, I was trying to reach them. Yes, 240 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: I wanted them to hear my words, but so many 241 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 2: people don't hear what I'm saying. They hear the catchphrase. 242 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 2: And I won't go political, but there are people on 243 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: many people who use where I'm going to take it 244 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: as their battle cry, and not just me. You hear 245 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: so many musicians like rage as a machine killing in 246 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: the name. People like, yeah, you, we won't do what 247 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: you tell us, you know, and they're completely missing the 248 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: point of the song. And so when there are people 249 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: who come up to me and talk to me and 250 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: share with me, and I go, you got it, I 251 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: often hug them and go. I was shouting in the 252 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: screaming in the night, hoping people like you would hear me, 253 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: and you did, and I'm glad it helped. And now 254 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: I'm getting choked up. You wanted that? Who are you? 255 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Barbara Walters? 256 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, giving me my Barbara Walter's moment. 257 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: This is why I wear stung glasses. I'm getting too 258 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: emotional in my old age. I love it. Well. 259 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: You were once quoted as saying, there's so much about 260 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: your life that you didn't see coming, referring to all 261 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: the incredible things that you've been able to accomplish in 262 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: your career, you know, both career and personally. But looking 263 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: back on your life now, how much would you say 264 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: music played a role? I know that seems kind of obvious, 265 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: but you know what I'm talking about. 266 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was my mindset a third a third, 267 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: but it was, but it was really It's not really true, 268 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: it was maybe a third. Like so much more of 269 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: my life came after music. And I'm not talking about you. 270 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: I played until it was my sixties, but a lot 271 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: of it was you know, reunion shows and stuff like that. 272 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: There was that, you know, up until forty where I 273 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: was you know, actively, really really creative musically, and you know, 274 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: so I got so that was a part of my life. 275 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: And then I went into acting in voiceover and radio 276 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: and TV and reality too much reality TV and writing books, screenplays. 277 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to be directing next. So I said all 278 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: those things. But it really is all about the music 279 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: because the music is the foundation, the platform that set 280 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: me up, that lifted me up, It liberated me, it 281 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: freed me, It gave me the platform to do these 282 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: other things. Now, minds you, as we all know from 283 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: the great David Lee raw taking over for Howard Stearn story. 284 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: You can't just start doing radio out of nowhere. It's 285 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: a craft. And I've been doing radio for thirty years 286 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: and I've gotten as you know, we've worked together, I've 287 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: gotten good at it. But it has nothing to do 288 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: with me being a rock star. It has to do 289 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: with putting the hours, getting on the mic, listening to 290 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: the life. But I tell people said, you know, what 291 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: do you what are you tell me about? You know, 292 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: you want to be in radio, So you got to 293 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: love this out of your own voice. And they said, 294 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? I said, you need 295 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: to listen to air checks endlessly. You got to record 296 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: yourself and listen back and and it's painful, especially in 297 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: the beginning, so you learn how to get better. But anyway, 298 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: all but it all comes down to it all started 299 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: with music. It's still will whaterever be a part of 300 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: my life. I got a great T shirt this is 301 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: Death by Rock and Roll on it and which is 302 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: a good way to go. And you know, but yeah, 303 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: without it I would have and being nothing. 304 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: You know, it can be very personal too. I mean 305 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: when you when you put out new albums, and music 306 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: to be judged by the world. When was the moment 307 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: that you realized, Okay, we're really onto something musically in 308 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: terms of creating you know that positive emotional feedback with 309 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: your songs and from your audiences. Why do you think 310 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: your music still resonates to this day. Is it because 311 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: it's anthemic or is it because of the words? Is 312 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: it the melody? I mean, there's something magical in there 313 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: that keeps something alive for that many years. 314 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'll start by saying, one of the reasons 315 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: I stopped writing is because after you've written and had 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: it received, play it on the radio, listen to lauded 317 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: and enjoyed. I you know, it's very hard. It's hard 318 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: for me just go back to writing for my own 319 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: head and writing. And I wrote and wrote and wrote, 320 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: and virtually none of that music landed with anybody. 321 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: Was that there and. 322 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: What to write and write and write? Or no, it wasn't. 323 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: It was painful because once you know you in the beginning, 324 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: once you've had your children and your songs like your children, 325 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: and you've been out there and people are just enjoying them. 326 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: Very hard to go back to writing in a in 327 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: a in a void and just playing it for yourself 328 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: and not really having anybody hear it. And when you say, 329 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: these songs are just as good as the stuff better wrote, 330 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: I knew at one point that was death broto I 331 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: wrote some of the best music of my life. The 332 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: stuff virtually never came out until like twenty years later. 333 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: It was just sort of a it got shelved by lecture. 334 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: It's another story. But I got tired of writing stuff 335 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: that wasn't getting heard after because I experienced how amazing 336 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 2: it feels to see I call it smiles at the 337 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: speed of sound we played. We would play these festivals. 338 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: I play these festivals thirty fifty ninety one hundred thousand 339 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: people and when you go into the songs, when you 340 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: go into we're not gonna take it and prove, But 341 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: I see it from the stage, it's a it's a 342 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: smiles that start the front row, the first people receiving 343 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: the audio audio information, and it goes all the way 344 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: to the back. I could see it, and then the 345 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: hands and the body language, and it is such an 346 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: incredible feeling to know you're connecting with people on that 347 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: level those moments. But it it's a drug. It's very 348 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: hard because you know later in your career and every 349 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: single rock star talks about this. You know, I call 350 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: new Materialists the bathroom song because I don't care what 351 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: urinary problems you have. The minute the lead singer if 352 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: any band says her Ring's off the new album, you 353 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: can see people running for the bathroom. Okay, I'm gonna. 354 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's said. I tell the audience, I say, 355 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: I see you, I see you that I saw I 356 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: saw Zeppelin. More Physical Graffiti came out and that is 357 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: his greag Garden and they said this one's off the 358 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: new albums called Physical Graffiti. They started playing Physical Graffiti, 359 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: not because they played Kashmir. This is Kashmere. Half the 360 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: arena went to the bathroom or to get a beer 361 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: because nobody knew the song. Nobody and it sounded like 362 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: crapping mad Square Garden. But I'm going, oh my god. 363 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: So so you know, it's hurtful as a career an 364 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: artist to see your music not being respected. So that's 365 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: why I I walked away from it. That's why I 366 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: walked away for it. As far as your question about 367 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: you know when it all comes together, well, first of all, 368 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: Twisted it was together I was with them for eight years. 369 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 2: They were together two years before I got there. I 370 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: was the only songwriter we you know, I say, with 371 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: the Tupac Shakur of retired metal bands, because a JJ 372 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: French keeps finding new tapes to release. And I listened 373 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 2: to these early songs and my god, I'm embarrassed. Oh 374 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: my god, No wonder we didn't get signed. Oh my god, 375 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: those songs are terrible. You know, as I said with 376 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: radio writing, songwriting is a craft. You have to get 377 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: good at it. So by the time we got the eighties, 378 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: and that's right around when we got signed, I started 379 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: hitting my stride as a songwriter, really understanding the craft 380 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: of writing a song. And it is, you know, it 381 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: is melody meets meets the music, that meets the lyrics, 382 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: meets the production. It's all those pieces that you've studied 383 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: and learned how to achieve, all coming together. And it 384 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: was that understanding that, you know, put us over the goldpost. 385 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you that that moment where I knew 386 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: we arrived. Okay, yes, so we were all we in England. 387 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: We just released the album. But back in the old days, 388 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: when you were a child, you would know about this. 389 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: It took in America, it took like eight weeks, seven 390 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: eight weeks for the record to get out to the stores, 391 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: get out to the radio stations, sach, get out there, 392 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: you know. So we went to Europe immediately upon release 393 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: of the record because over there the countries are like states, 394 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: and you can go to England and you know, the 395 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: information has been received, play shows, and we're hearing that 396 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: in the States. We're not gonna take it as doing well. 397 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: We're hearing about a lot of ads going on and 398 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But it's all internet and nothing like that. 399 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: We're just hearing it's doing great, it's doing great. Come 400 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: home and and Susette and I walk in. We had 401 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: a pretty big tour in England with big stars. Floated 402 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: into the house as I always do, and I am 403 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: a god. And Susan goes, yeah, empty the diaper pail. 404 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: It smells horrible, okay, And I go empty the back. 405 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: He goes, Now you go up to the dairy barne 406 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: and get some milk. Okay. So you know what I 407 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: thought it was? It was a rock star too. Two 408 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: hours ago. Now I'm ana bother again. So anyway, which 409 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: I love being a father again in the car, Ryan 410 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: is turn the radio. We're not gonna take its playing 411 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: W B A B No. I wonder what's playing on? 412 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: What was it on the other station? Came w L 413 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: I R boom. Hit the button, We're not gonna take 414 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: its playing. I said, all right, I'm going with the 415 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: TRITECHTA the other rock station in town w P L 416 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: J boom where I could take its playing. Every station 417 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: was playing where I could take it. I'm going, all right, 418 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: this is happening. When that happens, I've never had that 419 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: happen on the radio ever, you know, with anybody's music. 420 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: You know you've arrived. You know that was the moment. 421 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: Yes, And I want to ask you more, but I'm 422 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: running out of time, unfortunately. But maybe you can tell 423 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: the story about how Lenny brought to you on stage 424 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: and they were throwing bottles. Let me and that's a 425 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: pretty emotional story, which I remember when you told me, 426 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: and when I was reading your autobiographies that you made 427 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: me read sitting next to you on a plane. 428 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: So I could ask you questions. 429 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: Such a deep thing to do, I would stop talking 430 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 2: to her. 431 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: Listen read this first before we talk. 432 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: I had read recently that the Israeli Defense Force asked 433 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: you if they could use we're not going to take 434 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: it as their battlecry to fight these terrorists. And I 435 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: thought to myself, that must just blow your mind. 436 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: A and B. 437 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: You're kind of like a superhero. And I bring this 438 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: up only because you have a new graphic novel that 439 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: you just recently released and you're the superhero on front. 440 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: He's not going to take it. And I just wanted 441 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: to ask what that was all about. Is this your 442 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: true self finally getting to come out and be the 443 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: comic book hero. 444 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a comic book I was always a comic 445 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: book kid. I loved comics. One of the things I 446 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: picked up when we didn't have TV in our house 447 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: reading comics. And yeah, nothing better than seeing yourself represented 448 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: as a superhero. And people, if you read, he's not 449 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: going to take it. No, I don't have a cape 450 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: or anything, but they just the perception of that's put 451 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: forth of me going to Washington is that I was heroic. 452 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, looking back on it, I go, 453 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: I can't believe that I was able to walk with 454 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: pants that tight and balls that big, Okay, because I 455 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: mean I look as a wall. My god, I just like, 456 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: holy crap. I could do it again, for sure. But Wow, 457 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: to be twenty something and be that confident in your 458 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: belief system to go and sit down and stand before 459 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: those senators and what have you and speak your mind 460 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: and debate them and argue with them. Pretty proud of that, 461 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: And I'm proud that people view it as a heroic moment. 462 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: I don't view myself as a superhero. I do have 463 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: a cape at home, but I never wear it on 464 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: the street. And I just when I hear I heard 465 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: that that were Ukrainian soldiers were using we're we're playing 466 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: We're not gonna take it. Israeli soldiers were playing where 467 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: I could take it our own military, United States military, 468 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: We're not going to take it. It lifts them up 469 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: and helps them do a dirty job, and it's a 470 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: dirty job, defending the world's tough job. Then I am 471 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: more than honored because the military goes it is due 472 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: to the volunteer army that we have that I was 473 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: allowed to explore all of my dreams. I didn't have 474 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: to serve in the military, thanks to my dad and 475 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 2: all the great soldiers who in the volunteer Army and 476 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: I'm allowed. I was allowed to just be in a 477 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: crazy rock and roll band and be create. So if 478 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: something I created because they allowed me to create, that 479 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: lifts them up and inspires them, It's full circle as 480 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. 481 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Sure is. And it's so powerful. 482 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: And I'm so happy for you that you've been able 483 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: to make such a fruitful, an amazing career, not only 484 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: for yourself and your family, but how much you have 485 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: touched the lives of just generations of people and you're 486 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: helping countries. Your legacy. The last thought is you know 487 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: your musical legacy. How proud are you of that? 488 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: Look, my manager always says, you only have two hits, 489 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: make him doozies, and that's Fill Carson, you know Phil, Yeah, 490 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: and because he works with somebody with Foreigner and you 491 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: know he signed Abbah and Genesis, and yes, guy's responsible 492 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: for about three hundred and seventy five million records sold 493 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: ac DC. But my two big songs are some of 494 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: the most licensed songs of the eighties. They're sort of 495 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: that we will rock you and we're the champions of 496 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: the eighties as far as licensing goes, which is crazy. 497 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: And then you know, I told you that. Just saw 498 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 2: a thing of in Eurasia at a football game, one 499 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people singing, we're not going to take it. 500 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: Never expected the music to reach that far. And you know, 501 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: and if I leave a single song behind and it's 502 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: become a folks song already, and wherever you go, the 503 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: whole world knows a song, then I don't even know 504 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: who wrote it anymore, many of them. And that's okay. 505 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: It's a you know, if that I leave that legacy 506 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: and a song that inspires people and empowers people to 507 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: push back, you know, and sometimes you got to push back, 508 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: no matter we have, everybody has to push back sometimes. 509 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: If that one song is you know, you know, maybe 510 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: this is maybe maybe a'll right down on my tombstone. 511 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: He didn't take it. 512 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: Well, he did not take it. 513 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: He didn't well, eventually he died. 514 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: But if you're standing over that grave, apparently he took 515 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: it one left time. 516 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: You can't beat that. No one's beat that yet. Let 517 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: me know when they do. 518 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: I'm well, oh my gosh, I hope that day never happens. 519 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: It's just such a pleasure to know you and call 520 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: you a friend, and I'm so grateful that you would 521 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: come on and do this for me today and share 522 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: all of your personal emotions. 523 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: I almost brought you to tears. 524 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: Oh well, that's why I wear the glasses, see see you know, 525 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's emotional. You know what, feelings mutual 526 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: like a sister to me. And you know, one regret 527 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: is that you know our past. You know, I live 528 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: in la You got you and your husband in Connecticut, 529 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, And it's tough to see your friends. But 530 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: it's always whenever we get in the air, we just 531 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: it's like we've never met. We don't miss a beat. 532 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: No, we don't. 533 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: And one time you told me I was too nice, 534 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: and I'm a little less nice now, so maybe something 535 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: will happen. 536 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: That's an old time story for another show. People me 537 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: and Lynn talking about doing a show together, and that's 538 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: what they said to her, is is it's too nice. 539 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: I guess I'll tell you. I can't complain. I can't 540 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: complain here. 541 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: Someone like me, somebody like me doing radio me. You 542 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: have to push back, that's right, you can't. You can't 543 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: be because I'm so like you know, like like that. 544 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: You gotta be able to say, hey, I disagree with 545 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: you on that. No, you know what, just be like 546 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: my wife. You have to be like my wife. You 547 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: got to. You gotta be able to say no. 548 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: Does she get a word in ever? 549 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't say just a word in my 550 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: quiet in the house. I don't talk virtually at all. 551 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: You would think I'm I'm a quiet one. Everybody'll let 552 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: everybody else shine in the house. Just a little side 553 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: on my book Frats. By the way, my novel Frats 554 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: is out now available in stories. Is going to be 555 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: made into a major motion picture. I just found out. 556 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: I can't tell any more about that. But my favorite 557 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: review so far was Susette. She read it, She comes 558 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: and sort of we're just sort of there. She goes, 559 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: the book's really good. 560 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: I was like, why, it's like she's mad about it? 561 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: By right, just the book book, it's really good. I'm like, 562 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: you liked it, She goes, don't make me blow more 563 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: smoke of your butt than I've been doing for the 564 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: last forty seven years. Yes, I like it. It's great. 565 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: She's the tough, toughest critic of all. 566 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: Listen, I don't mess with a woman who will get 567 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: on her own house's roof to clean it. 568 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: By yourself. 569 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: D thank you so much for being on music save 570 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: to me. I wish we had another day and a 571 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: half because I still have so much to talk to 572 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: you about. 573 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: But maybe you'll come back again soon. 574 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: Well you know a guy. 575 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Thanks. 576 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: You can just say come back on the show when 577 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: you're ready and we'll do it all right, all right, 578 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: thanks so much, right awesome