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Speaker 3: two MAX schools out of the gate with a bye week.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect amount of time for Chip Kelly and

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Speaker 3: this offensive staff to tinker to try to figure out

433
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Speaker 3: what works and what doesn't and then be able to

434
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Speaker 3: go into their conference slate with some momentum on the

435
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Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, because defensively, I think it's

436
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Speaker 3: a story that you know has been brought up how

437
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Speaker 3: talented they are, but the continuity and the experience, and

438
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Speaker 3: then adding in that Downs kid from Bama, they could

439
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Speaker 3: be arguably the top you know, defense in the entire country,

440
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Speaker 3: both in terms of skill and also their defensive coordinator,

441
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Speaker 3: who I love. So I think this is a team

442
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Speaker 3: that does not need a a plus Heisman level quarterback

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Speaker 3: play to win the national title. And that's the other

444
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Speaker 3: element of it is, you know, when you're playing multiple

445
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Speaker 3: playoff games, it's not just outscore everybody. You got to

446
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Speaker 3: win some of those clunkers. You got to win some

447
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Speaker 3: of those one possession games. We're not turning the ball

448
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Speaker 3: over matters. So I'm really bullish in Ohio State. If

449
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Speaker 3: I was an odds maker, I would flip their odds

450
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Speaker 3: with Georgia. The fact that they're plus four fifty five

451
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Speaker 3: to one as opposed to three to one, I think

452
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Speaker 3: that's a mistake and it may seem like a small one,

453
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Speaker 3: but you know, when you're betting throughout the course of

454
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Speaker 3: the year, getting fortuitous numbers standards that are hanging around.

455
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Speaker 3: That's the way to make money.

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Speaker 1: You know. I lived in Philly for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: It was actually right when the Joe Paterno thing kind

458
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Speaker 1: of broke and we had guys I was working for

459
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. We had guys on the staff that had

460
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Speaker 1: played for Joe and yeah, I was reading some of

461
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Speaker 1: your book and you wrote that potentially Philly had to

462
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Speaker 1: be that in New York, the first, first place for

463
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Speaker 1: twenty four hour a day sports radio. And that's you know,

464
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, from California where pro sports are huge,

465
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Speaker 1: and pro sports are massive in Philly. Two. But that

466
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Speaker 1: was a story because of Penn State football. That can

467
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Speaker 1: you know that they are not I wouldn't put on

468
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Speaker 1: the Eagles level, but they get talked about when they matter.

469
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Speaker 1: And James Franklin has done a good job. I mean

470
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Speaker 1: he recruits a boatload of NFL players. I mean their

471
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Speaker 1: team this year has got to be one of the

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Speaker 1: more talented teams in the country. But last year, in

473
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Speaker 1: some of the games offensively, I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: to say. And you know, I look at Lane Kiffin

475
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Speaker 1: for example, most people would say they're on somewhat similar tier,

476
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Speaker 1: but like Lane being a fun team to watch and

477
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Speaker 1: what he's doing at ole Miss and then you go

478
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Speaker 1: Penn State, in theory should have a lot more resources,

479
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Speaker 1: and it's like his team's not that fun to watch.

480
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Speaker 1: They can't score against the teams that matter. Is anything

481
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Speaker 1: gonna change? And I mean, can he just keep cruising

482
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Speaker 1: along nine to ten wins produce NFL guys or eventually

483
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Speaker 1: it's like, are we even close to Michigan Ohio State?

484
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Speaker 1: And now enter Oregon enters the chat right, so it

485
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Speaker 1: could look even worse.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say I'll answer to the last part of

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Speaker 3: the question.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna get better just by virtue of

490
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Speaker 3: the fact that no team would have been a bigger

491
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Speaker 3: beneficiary in the last ten years the fourteen playoff if

492
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Speaker 3: it had been a twelve team playoff than Penn State,

493
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Speaker 3: I believe they would have five six playoff bids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I read, but they would have. But do you

495
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Speaker 1: think they would have won a lot of those games.

496
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Speaker 1: It's like just because you make the NCAA tournament, if

497
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Speaker 1: you get bounced on Thursday, Like, okay.

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Speaker 3: I think the sixteen to seventeen team, the one with

499
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Speaker 3: Joe Moorehead calling the shots offensively, with Trace McSorley and

500
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Speaker 3: Saquon and Godwin and Mike JAESICKI. I think those teams

501
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Speaker 3: got hot at the right time. They played very well.

502
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Speaker 3: He almost won that that Rose Bowl, that Classic against USC.

503
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Speaker 3: Then they go down to the Fiesta Bowl and they

504
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Speaker 3: played really well there. I think those teams could have

505
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Speaker 3: made some noise. I don't. I didn't see a national

506
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Speaker 3: title caliber team in any of those.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with teams offensively. I mean, obviously, I'm

508
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Speaker 1: talking about we just told this guy's like the next

509
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and I'm watching them play him, going, what

510
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Speaker 1: am I missing here? Now?

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Speaker 3: Luckily, I think what's interesting about Franklin is he gets

512
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Speaker 3: the credit for being a great recruiter of players. He's

513
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Speaker 3: also had some home runs in terms of his staff.

514
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Speaker 3: Bringing in Manny Diaz was a home run on defense.

515
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Speaker 3: Bringing in Joe Morehead was a home run on offense.

516
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for him it didn't line up. He had one

517
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Speaker 3: but not the other. And I will give him credit.

518
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Speaker 3: Mike Gearsaich, it wasn't working. You looked at Aler, you

519
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Speaker 3: wanted to see him, you know, progress and get better

520
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Speaker 3: as a player. When you look at a school at

521
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Speaker 3: Ohio State, they're just churning out quarterback after quarterback who

522
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Speaker 3: is an impact player, and Michigan even being able to

523
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Speaker 3: win at a high level without a player of that caliber.

524
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Speaker 3: I mean, JJ ends up be getting a first round

525
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Speaker 3: NFL draft pick, but they never asked him to take

526
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Speaker 3: over games. So in comparison to those two schools, you're right,

527
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Speaker 3: they were falling short. But I will give him credit.

528
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Speaker 3: He goes and snatches the Kansas offensive coordinator to make

529
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Speaker 3: Kansas football fun. I don't think people have a full

530
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Speaker 3: appreciation for how difficult that job was. Their offense, even

531
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Speaker 3: with a backup quarterback for much of last year being

532
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Speaker 3: forced into action, they were still super dynamic. They were

533
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Speaker 3: multiple in terms of their formations. They made defenses prepare

534
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Speaker 3: for so much. I'm interested to see. Does Franklin really

535
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Speaker 3: hand over the keys to his program to a new

536
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator and say, go out and win it for

537
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Speaker 3: us the way he did with Morehead or is it

538
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Speaker 3: more of a James Franklin light offense where don't make mistakes,

539
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Speaker 3: We'll try to, you know, beat the heck out of

540
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Speaker 3: our non conference opponents. But if we're going to play

541
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Speaker 3: Michigan or Ohio State. We need to get a block

542
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Speaker 3: field goal. We need to win, you know, in terms

543
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Speaker 3: of a low scoring game as opposed to getting into

544
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Speaker 3: a shootout. We'll see what he does. I think the

545
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Speaker 3: criticism he gets is warranted. But at the same time,

546
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Speaker 3: I think the worm is going to turn for Penn

547
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Speaker 3: State here. I think they're finally going to get into

548
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Speaker 3: some playoffs and if this coaching hire is the right one,

549
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I think all the the basically

550
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Speaker 3: the roadblocks that we're lining up in front of this

551
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Speaker 3: program are going to be raised, and they're gonna have

552
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to take it to the next level.

553
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Speaker 1: Cay let's dive into the book Legendary Bowl Deciding College

554
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Speaker 1: Football's goat that. This book is scheduled to come out

555
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Speaker 1: on June tenth.

556
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Speaker 3: Correct, that's right, at eight pm. It'll be live on Amazon,

557
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Speaker 3: both you know, the Kindle e reader version as well

558
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Speaker 3: as paperback and hardcovers.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about how it originated and then just

560
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Speaker 1: described to everybody kind of what you did to carry

561
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Speaker 1: out the simulation and how you went about it.

562
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Speaker 3: So I grew up on house old, whether it was

563
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: my mother or my father. We were always super passionate

564
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: about sports, and from a very early age it was

565
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: always framing things in a historical perspective. How good is

566
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: Jordan compared to this player? How good is this team

567
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Speaker 3: compared to a team that played fifteen or twenty years ago.

568
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Speaker 3: Almost every conversation at the championship level broke down into

569
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Speaker 3: some kind of goat debate, and not in the house.

570
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Speaker 1: Your house was like First Take in Philadelphia.

571
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Speaker 3: It was basically like First Take, but you had to

572
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: come with receipts. It wasn't good feelings, and my father

573
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: had no problem burying a nine year old Michael Calibertys

574
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Speaker 3: who was not prepared for some follow up questions. So

575
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Speaker 3: that's kind of where it started. And then we put

576
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Speaker 3: into the mix the NCAA football video game series, which

577
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: I played all the way back to College Football USA

578
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: ninety five, every single year playing it, and pretty quickly

579
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Speaker 3: in the PlayStation area you could edit the rosters. And

580
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Speaker 3: when the last game came out and it got sunset

581
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Speaker 3: and it was clear this is going to be the

582
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: last game in the series for the foreseeable future, I

583
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: started a tinker and to build rosters for who is

584
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Speaker 3: the best Michigan team or Tennessee or USC or Georgia.

585
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Speaker 3: And I just started doing it as a hobby and

586
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: then pretty quickly, you know, I had twenty teams, I

587
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: had thirty teams, I had forty. Well, now I can

588
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: play a hypothetical playoff. I can simulate it, see what

589
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: would happen. And really the big moment for me was

590
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: when COVID hit and they shut down sports that week.

591
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Speaker 3: I put out a tweet and I was like, I'm

592
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Speaker 3: going to put together a tournament of the best teams.

593
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: I made, you know, these rudimentary graphic design cards recapping

594
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Speaker 3: what happened, and it exploded and from there I was like, Okay,

595
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Speaker 3: I'm onto something. People are clearly interested. People want to

596
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Speaker 3: argue about the teams that I picked, the bracket, what

597
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: would happen in these hypothetical matchups. So I wanted to

598
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Speaker 3: blow that out into the biggest form that I could,

599
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Speaker 3: which in this case is a book. You know, it's

600
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: close to three hundred pages. I do deep dives on

601
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Speaker 3: every single team that go all the way back to

602
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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty and then at the end of the day,

603
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 3: I had sixty eight teams. And it's a format everyone's

604
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: familiar with. You got play games, you have four regions,

605
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: goes down to the final four, the championship, and just

606
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: from a pure college football nerd perspective, it was really exciting.

607
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: Once I had everything in place, all of the roster editing.

608
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: It took between five and ten hours for every team,

609
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Speaker 3: because not only do they need to dig up rosters

610
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: and look at combine stats and weights and heights and

611
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: attributes and awards and everything else I went through. In

612
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: a lot of these cases, I wasn't born yet, So

613
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: I went through and I watched seven of Boston College's

614
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: games from nineteen eighty four with Doug Flutie. It wasn't

615
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: just flipping on as hell Mary against Miami. I want

616
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: to see what kind of offense they're running, what kind

617
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: of defense, you know, how aggressive they are with their

618
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: play calling, because you could fine tune everything in the game.

619
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Speaker 3: So once I had that ready, then it was just

620
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: kind of a joy to watch it go through and

621
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Speaker 3: just take notes and make sure to transcribe those notes

622
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: into the book, so it feels like you're reading a

623
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Speaker 3: real recap, as though you would on an ESPN dot

624
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: com or in the newspaper wherever. You get your news.

625
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to give it that feel, so you get

626
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: to go through this journey for about two hundred pages

627
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: of game recaps. And it's interesting too, just teasing it

628
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: out on social media. It's not just about being a champion,

629
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Speaker 3: being the best. A lot of these teams held a

630
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: special nostalgic place in fans hearts. He had two thousand

631
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Speaker 3: and seven Hawaii, he had nineteen ninety one East Carolina

632
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: with Jeff Blake. There's all these teams that all of

633
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Speaker 3: a sudden, their alumni from.

634
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Speaker 1: That Boise State twenty ten. I saw that that's just exactly.

635
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Speaker 3: There's so many teams that were culturally significant to the

636
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: sport that weren't champions. And that's really what I love

637
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: about college football. It's not just who won the Super

638
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: Bowl and then there's everybody else. There's thirty one losers

639
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: in one champion. There's room in college football for people

640
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: to feel a success story, and whether it's an individual

641
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: player winning the Heisman and winning a bowl game, having

642
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: an icon of comeback. And I wanted to represent as

643
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Speaker 3: many of those stories as I could in this field.

644
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny is when I worked at

645
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Speaker 1: Frezlo State in eighth nine for Coach Hill, you just

646
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Speaker 1: had such a reverence for the Boise State program, and

647
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people had looked down and

648
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: made fun of because rip Cole Brennan. That Hawaii team

649
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: got just manhandled by Joe Georgia. And I remember seeing

650
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: that Boise team for a couple of years, and by

651
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: twenty ten they had basically three years of all those guys.

652
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: It's like, this team is as good as I thought.

653
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: They could have won a national championship. And obviously Kaepernick

654
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: and the missfield goals in that game. But to me,

655
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that's got to be the best non

656
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Speaker 1: Power five team of the last twenty or thirty, forty

657
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: five years or whatever. They were on a different level

658
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion than that Hawaii team, because I vividly

659
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: remember watching that Hawaii game in college. I mean, the

660
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: left tackle couldn't he couldn't even touch the guy. It

661
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: wasn't even fair. Where the Boise team, I think they

662
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: had twelve or thirteen guys drafted and several guys in

663
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Speaker 1: the second and third round in the trenches. I thought

664
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Speaker 1: they could have won a national championship and Kaepernick and

665
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Speaker 1: that running attack was a pretty tough team to play.

666
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Speaker 1: It was freezing cold in that game. It was a

667
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: big time upset. But I do think that that Boise

668
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: team has a special place in my heart because I

669
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Speaker 1: truly believe they're one of the best teams that because

670
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: forever they kind of got screwed in the sense that

671
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: remember with the games they would always put him against

672
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: another non Power five team. They played TCU. It felt

673
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: like every year in a bowl game, it's like, let

674
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Speaker 1: them play USC, or let him play a real team.

675
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: But that specific team was as good as it gets.

676
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that team. I mean you mentioned Kellen Moorey. He

677
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: won fifty games, he went fifty to three as a starter.

678
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Speaker 3: He's going to be a soon to be College Football

679
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Doug Martin the muscle hamster, all time nickname,

680
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: but also just an absolute beast at running back, Titus

681
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: Young and Pettis and wide receiver.

682
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Speaker 1: They had it all.

683
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Speaker 3: And as you mentioned, usually when I would go through

684
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: these teams, a lot of them were half teams. They

685
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: had some glaring weakness or deficiency. Boise was absolutely loaded

686
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: top to bottom, and their coaching staff did a phenomenal job.

687
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: They handled pressure. They kicked off that season against Virginia

688
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: Tech and they need a two minute drill to go

689
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: down and win the game. And it was like watching

690
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: a professional team. It was like watching Aaron Rodgers go

691
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: down the field. You just felt this. It was a

692
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: foregone conclusion that they were going to win. That's how

693
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: good that they were. And we talked about at the

694
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: top with USC you want to strike fear into other teams.

695
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: They were one of the very few group of five

696
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: teams I can ever remember that even when they played

697
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: the big boys, It's like, you better have everything buckled

698
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: up tight because you need to play a perfect game

699
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: to beat those Broncos. And that's why it was, you know,

700
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: a no brainer to put them in the field. But

701
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: what's interesting is with teams like Boise that are such

702
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: a proud program, I had to, you know, basically go

703
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: through is it the six team that upset Oklahoma and

704
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: the Fiesta Bowl? Is it the twenty ten team that

705
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: did lose? But they got a higher ap rate rating

706
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: at one point of the season, So there's lots of considerations.

707
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: And that was also difficult with some power programs like Florida.

708
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: Is that the T bow team is the Steve Spurri

709
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: or ninety six team. There's lots of different arguments you

710
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: could make, but I think that's what makes it fun,

711
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: and that's what I'm hoping that fans can debate on

712
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: social and really get into it, because there's lots of

713
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: different things beyond just the wins and losses that make

714
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: a team special or as highly rated as you could

715
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Speaker 3: argue that they are.

716
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Speaker 1: One thing that jumps out to me is you know

717
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: you're number one seeds. Nick Saban didn't have a team

718
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: that made it, and I think many people you had.

719
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: The one team you know from his era would be

720
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Speaker 1: the nineteen LSU team, which is the number one seed.

721
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: And it's not like one specific team for Saban jumps

722
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: out because they really changed dramatically about the midway point right,

723
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: physical defense, run game to be much more power offense.

724
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Speaker 1: But they always had a lot of guys that get

725
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: drafted on defense. My question is with the LSU thing

726
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: or team, would they be good enough on defense? Patrick

727
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Queen was their linebacker, right and Stingley, who was actually

728
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: this one good year in college was that year and

729
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: he's awesome in the NFL now. So it's not like

730
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Speaker 1: they didn't have players, but you just look around and

731
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: you go, are they good enough on offensively? I mean

732
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: they got a billion dollars worth of player.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that LSU team because the way that

734
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: you framed it defensively is correct. Patrick Queen and their secondary,

735
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: the secondary was elite. They the Jim Thorpe Award winner.

736
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Speaker 3: They had Stingley, who was the first true freshman All

737
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: Americans since Adrian Peterson. They just had a ton of

738
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: talent on the back end of the defense. But you

739
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: could run on them. Even Old Miss in that season

740
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: ran for i want to say, three hundred plus yards.

741
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: John Rice Plumbly went berserk on them. So if they

742
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: were to draw a team in the tournament that runs

743
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: freed option, that is run focused a shootout, definitely can

744
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: can you unfold? And also you look at that season,

745
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: we in retrospect view them as this unbeatable juggernaut. They

746
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: almost lost to Texas. That game was you know, back

747
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: and forth, down to the wire. They end up hitting

748
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: a long pass at the end of the game that

749
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: goes for a touchdown to win by ten, where really

750
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: it was more so if that's a first down and

751
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: he gets tackled they win by three in another shootout.

752
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: So even the very top teams, and I can play

753
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: this game with every single team in the book. Two

754
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 3: thousand and one Miami, they were this close to losing

755
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: on the road to an eight and ford Boston College team,

756
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: and they're arguably people love to get into it. With

757
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: all of the pro talent that they had on that team,

758
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: they're viewed as invincible. Will they really needed a you know,

759
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: to pull a rabbit out of their hat just to

760
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: beat a team that only won eight games. So that's

761
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: what's interesting about college football to me. Even the most

762
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: dominant teams historically, they still got a few breaks, and

763
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: they still if you play a perfect game against them.

764
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: And that's what's fun about the tournament. Almost every team

765
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: that you play, even if you're a one seed, they're

766
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: all special in some way, shape or form. So you're

767
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: gonna have to play your best football and get lucky

768
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: to make it all the way and win six games.

769
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Speaker 1: When you go back and watch the eighty I was

770
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: born in eighty four, so I don't really remember eighties

771
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: college football, but you have the Nebraska team in the

772
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: mid nineties is one of the one seeds, and I

773
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: remember them. I mean, obviously Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips,

774
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: no one really plays at the highest level college football

775
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: like that. Do you think like going back and what

776
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: would that even work? How would it? You know, obviously

777
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: the other team wouldn't be prepared and they have NFL

778
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: players running that So it's they always say playing Navy

779
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: or Army is difficult, right because you're not used to it.

780
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: So you put an NFL running back who, let's face it,

781
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Lawrence Phillips is like a first round level guy.

782
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of problems, but he passed away

783
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: to Rip and Tommy just had the issues with the

784
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: blood clots. But do you think that how do you

785
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: think that would have translated? Because like BYU looking in

786
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: the eighty four like they were a team that played

787
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: much more like these modern day football, right, they passed

788
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: the ball. Steve Young the quarterback in eighty four, it.

789
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 3: Was Robably Bosco in eighty they had.

790
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: That stretch of all the really good quarterbacks, you know,

791
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Steve Young, Jim McMahon. I mean, they were playing. It's

792
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: why Andy Reid loves to pass, because he went to

793
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: BYU in the early eighties when everyone's running triple option

794
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: and they're going four wide, slinging it around, and they

795
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: were really an outlier that way. They were like Mike

796
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Leach twenty years ago, but in the early eighties relative

797
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: to the rest of college football. So and like you said,

798
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: that's what's cool about this is all these teams, whether

799
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: they won the national championship, whether they didn't, that they

800
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: have a really really significant role in the way that

801
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: we talk about and think about and their fan bases.

802
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: But not even just if you're an Auburn fan, that

803
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Cam Newton team, if you're an SEC fan, that was

804
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: a huge, huge moment for the conference.

805
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: Basically going back to the Nebraska comp, I would say

806
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: having watched every one of their games, their their fan

807
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: base did a great job of uploading everything on YouTube.

808
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Number one they I believe it was their second game

809
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: or first game of the season. They played Michigan State

810
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: with coach Saban, and Saban said after the game, Lawrence

811
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: Phillips is the greatest running back I've ever coached against.

812
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: And he was including the NFL at that time. That's

813
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: the level of he had that dog in him, like

814
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: the guy when he got to the second level, he

815
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: was looking for people to run over. And to your point,

816
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: you can compete running the triple off.

817
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Did he have a big game against Michigan State?

818
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: They ran rough shot. I think they won fifty to

819
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: ten in that game. Every single game that they played

820
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: in that season they went on a twenty seven point

821
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: or more run. So when you think about Nebraska and

822
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: you think about the triple option, you're thinking about, you know,

823
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 3: ball control and you know, shrinking the game down.

824
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Now.

825
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: They were hitting big plays left and right, and Fraser

826
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: was the perfect athlete to run it. It was like

827
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: putting your best athlete on your entire team at quarterback.

828
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: And he never made a mistake with football in the

829
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: passing game, you know, pitching it, pulling at everything else.

830
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: So I think they would absolutely cause problems. And what's

831
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: interesting is modern college football defenses, we'll call it twenty

832
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: ten to twenty twenty four. They're all built on speed

833
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: to a certain degree, and a lot of their defensive

834
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: linemen weren't as big as an imposing as some of

835
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: the teams in eighties and nineties, where you look at

836
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 3: the brask offensive line, every guy's over three hundred pounds.

837
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: They were incredibly well disciplined. They they had I think

838
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: two or three holding penalties the entire season, which is ridiculous.

839
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: So I think they were tacticians and they would have

840
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: been able to move the football. But I agree with

841
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: you there were some teams that, when I went back

842
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: and looked BYU, looked like a modern offense. Boston College

843
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: with Doug Fluti in eighty four looked like a modern offense.

844
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: They wanted them to throw at forty times, they wanted

845
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: them to run around and extend plays and make things

846
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 3: happen outside throw off platform, all those kind of elements.

847
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: And then there was other teams that did feel a

848
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: bit dated. Ninety nine Wisconsin is in the book with

849
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: Ron Daine. They had an absolute elite defense. They wanted

850
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 3: to shrink the game down, they wanted to run between

851
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: the tackles, and they had multiple NFL alignment to do it. So, yes,

852
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 3: that looks like a team that maybe could find themselves

853
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: in deep water if they ended up later in the

854
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: tournament facing an LSU or a high powered offense. But

855
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams are not as ancient as

856
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: they're made out to be in this argument that, oh,

857
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: the athleticism is so different That was what was fun

858
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: for me in the research element, going through finding these

859
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: easter eggs. The nineteen eighty two SMU team, the Pony

860
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: Express team. They had an Olympic shot putter on their

861
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Speaker 3: defensive line. Not only was he an All pro in

862
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Speaker 3: the NFL, he won a silver in LA at the Olympics.

863
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: So these athletes were really great. Maybe they weren't as

864
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: deep as some of these modern SEC teams, but just

865
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: eleven on eleven offense and defense, I think they absolutely

866
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: could hang.

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Speaker 1: And then SMU team was doing nil forty years before

868
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: ATIL paying those two runnings.

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Speaker 3: Sure were Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well one thing, I don't want you to ruin the

871
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Speaker 1: outcome of this, but could you tease because I see

872
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: USC number one seed oh four, they would potentially have

873
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Speaker 1: to play the twenty ten Stanford team we know Harbaugh

874
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: gives in trouble, and then in the third round potentially

875
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Speaker 1: the twenty three Michigan team. I mean, that's a lot

876
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Speaker 1: of Harbaugh. And we know Harbaugh in college gave Pete

877
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Carroll some issues. So that's I see a tough little road.

878
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, if this was college basketball and you're looking ahead,

879
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: you know there's no land mines here, but there are

880
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: some land mines there for that USC team, specifically with

881
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh.

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00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: It's interesting you can play that game with just about

883
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: every one of the top seeds. Miami could draw Johnny

884
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: Football in the round of thirty two. You think about,

885
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: you know, a potential quarterback who could handle the athleticism

886
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: and breaking plays outside of the pocket. He's one of

887
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: those guys LSU in twenty nineteen, Jake the Snake, that

888
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: Arizona State team. That was a team that you know,

889
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: I was about ten or eleven at the time when

890
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: they made it to the Rose Bowl. I always thought

891
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: that they were pretty good. When I went back and watched,

892
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: they were an elite. They were a generational team, and

893
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: they are right right up there with the great Pac

894
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: ten teams of all time. To be able to have

895
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: an NFL quarterback like that, and then defensively they had

896
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: playmakers at all three levels of the defense, it gets

897
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: really difficult for any of these teams to win. Yes,

898
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: they would be a favorite. And what was interesting too,

899
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Colin Wilson of the Action Network, he helped me set

900
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Speaker 3: some of the point spreads. Later in the tournament. You

901
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: think to yourself, Oh, it's oh one, Miami, it's twenty nineteen, LSU,

902
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: they're going to be two touchdown, three touchdown favorites over everybody,

903
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: not the case. All of a sudden you get pretty

904
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: close their five point favorite, their six point favorite. And

905
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 3: as we know in college football, any given Saturday, teams

906
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: like that lose outright all the time. It can really

907
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: come down to one or two plays, some turnovers. And

908
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: that was what was interesting to fine tuning the game,

909
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: to make sure that we had the right amount of chaos,

910
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: the right amount of blocked field goals, missed field goals,

911
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: all these different elements that go into a real football game,

912
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: making sure that that was just right, not necessarily to

913
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: give the underdogs more of an advantage, but to make

914
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: sure every team was well calibrated. I wanted to make

915
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: sure that if the ninety five Huskers were playing against

916
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: a normal team from the two thousands, that they'd run

917
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: right over them. And once I had that down, then

918
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the outcomes that were being spit

919
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: out and the game flow and then nar it started

920
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: to get really compelling. And I would say for any

921
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: collegeo ball fan, it's kind of like a fun beat

922
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: read Father's Day is coming up, Like if you want

923
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: to get that for somebody in your life, it's a

924
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 3: perfect thing to kind of go into the nostalgia time

925
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: machine and start to have these arguments in a little

926
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Speaker 3: bit more of a concrete way, because that's the only

927
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: part of these goat arguments that I don't like. They

928
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: usually end at an impasse in some way, shape or form.

929
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to bust through that to a certain degree

930
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, if Johnny Football is playing the Miami

931
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: Hurricanes and Ed Reid and that defense, is he going

932
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: to be harassed for four quarters? Let's find out what

933
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: it actually looks like.

934
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Speaker 1: Who's the Miamio one secondary beside Ed Reid.

935
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: So we got Mike Rump at corner who was a

936
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Speaker 3: first round NFL draft pick, Philip Cannon who was also

937
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: a first round draft pick who not only was phenomenal

938
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: at corner but also a huge game breaker in the

939
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: punt return game. And then you had other guys in

940
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: their secondary who were just filtering in in some packages.

941
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: Sean Taylor came and he played special teams and also

942
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: when they went three safeties, he was on the field

943
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: antrell role as well. So the speed Athleticsime, I.

944
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Like them, Verus Johnny Football. I'm not gonna lie.

945
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's basically what's interesting about them is that offensively,

946
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: they kind of played within themselves. They could have pushed

947
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: the tempo, you know, if they went through an offensive

948
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: facelift and they said we're gonna play with a bit

949
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: more temple, We're gonna open it up. They got Andre

950
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Johnson on the perimeter, they got Shocky at tight ends,

951
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: and they had a backfield of Clinton Portis, Frank Gore

952
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: and Willison McGahee. They could have played fast, warn everybody

953
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: out and score fifty points. But they don't necessarily always.

954
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: Want to do that.

955
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes they wanted to have those nine to ten play

956
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 3: drives and then lean on their defense to win games.

957
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: So that's what's interesting in terms of the argument on

958
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: their side, which is if they get pulled into a

959
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: higher scoring game, they can win that way, and if

960
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: they want to win seventeen thirteen, they can also win

961
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: that way. That's not necessarily true of all the teams,

962
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: the LSU team you brought up as well. Some of

963
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: these teams need the game flow to go just right

964
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: to pull it out.

965
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Speaker 1: Mike, tell everyone where they can get your book.

966
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: So if you go over to Amazon put in Legendary Bowl,

967
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: it's gonna populate. You're gonna get your e reader, kindle version,

968
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: paperback as well as hardcover. And we were mentioning this

969
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: before we hopped on. If I'm get enough sales, my

970
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: publisher already wants me to go with a Legendary Madness,

971
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: which would be the exact same format, but for the

972
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: college basketball teams dating back to nineteen eighty. I'd love

973
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: to write it. It was a multi year process to

974
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: get this one done, but it was something that I

975
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: looked back on fondly, so I'd be happy to deliver

976
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: it for fans.

977
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Michael, I appreciate you coming on and look forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing who wins the whole thing.

979
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: The volume