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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a very much married Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: dad tries to fake his own death in an elaborate

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Speaker 1: kayak accident hoax in order to flee to Eastern Europe

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Speaker 1: to be with a woman he meets online. Oh my stars,

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Speaker 1: to my husband, David, if you want to be with

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Speaker 1: someone else, don't spend all the money flying to Eastern

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Speaker 1: Europe and hooking up with some big hoe.

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Speaker 2: All right, just leave, okay, but do not spend the

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Speaker 2: children's college fund to do it. You can go, You're free.

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Speaker 1: I may not be happy about it, but for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: don't mess with the money. Oh dear Lord in Heaven,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Ryan Borgwart carried out an elaborate stunt to

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Speaker 1: be with a mistress in the country of Georgia in

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Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. Now he's home. He pled no contest because

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the backbone to say guilty to the

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Speaker 1: charge of obstruction. And now he learns his fate. And

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Speaker 1: let me just say up front, it's not harsh enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's have a little refresher course on

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Speaker 1: what Ryan Borgoort did.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy. This is what happened.

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Speaker 3: On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,

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Speaker 3: our office received a call from the Dutch Cony Sheriff's

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Speaker 3: Office in reference to a subject that did not return

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Speaker 3: home that evening and the last known location.

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Speaker 4: He was was Green Lake.

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Speaker 3: Deputies headed that way check the areas around the lake

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Speaker 3: and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in

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Speaker 3: the area of Dodge Memorial Park. We immediately deployed our boat.

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Speaker 3: At six point thirty one, two of our deputies found

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Speaker 3: a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake

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Speaker 3: in the area of two hundred and twenty foot.

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Speaker 4: Depth of water.

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Speaker 1: Where is the missing father of three? And we thought

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Speaker 1: dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment

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Speaker 1: until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart.

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Speaker 2: But this is not about her. This is about him.

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Speaker 1: She is left with paying the house payment, taking care

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Speaker 2: They ask where's daddy?

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Speaker 1: But my question is where is Ryan borg wartt Joining

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Speaker 1: me in all Star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now, But listen to this The last.

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Speaker 3: Contact with the phone and with Ryan was around ten

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Speaker 4: I immediately called.

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Speaker 3: My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second

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Speaker 3: call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us

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Speaker 3: in the past with draw memes that we've had on

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Speaker 4: And the reason why is because of the depth of

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Speaker 3: Our lake is two hundred and thirty eight feet, the

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Speaker 3: largest lake in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: What a massive search?

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Speaker 1: Before I go to Keith kormackan the underwater search recovery

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Speaker 1: expert and director of Bruce's Legacy who searched for twenty

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Speaker 1: three days, divers put in danger to find the missing Dad,

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Speaker 1: hold tight. Keith cormanckn first to Alexis Tereschuk, joining US

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, I want to

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Speaker 1: start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that. So he goes off.

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Speaker 1: On a boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays.

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Speaker 2: Home and takes care of the three children. Is that's that?

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Speaker 5: It's exactly right for work goes off, he goes to

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Speaker 5: so he goes off, Oh my god, alexis summer.

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Speaker 1: Alexis. I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you. He said, that is seven thousand, three hundred

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Speaker 2: You're right, go ahead, And it's summer.

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Speaker 5: It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.

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Speaker 5: It stays light much later there. So he goes for

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Speaker 5: he sends his wife a text and he says, hey,

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Speaker 1: So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.

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Speaker 5: It was that that evening. So there was he said

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Speaker 2: And when is daddy reported missing that night? She panics,

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Speaker 5: They just thought perhaps he's drowned. You lots of accidents

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Speaker 1: to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert Director

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Speaker 1: for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith, how side scan sonar

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Speaker 6: Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.

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Speaker 6: practically penn feed off the bottom. That generates sonar images

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Speaker 6: of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,

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Speaker 6: we can see tree benches and just very great detail.

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Speaker 6: So we cover an area of about one hundred feet

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Speaker 6: locate any targets avengers and we put the underwater robot down.

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Speaker 6: It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar

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Speaker 6: who drive up to these targets and take a look

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Speaker 2: A lot of people use it when they're out fishing

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Speaker 1: See something you can't really tell exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: Keith Cormickan, how do you tell a person from debris

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Speaker 1: What is your response, how do you feel about a

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Speaker 6: Well, my first initial response when I first heard it

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Speaker 1: Weasis, how much do you think you're out?

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Speaker 6: Well, I know for sure. The first two weeks I

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Speaker 1: An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen,

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Speaker 9: Search and rescue organizations, the Sheriff's office and volunteers scour

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Speaker 2: Where is ryinan Borgwart? Is he dead?

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Speaker 1: Cadaver dogs are brought out on the water a massive

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Speaker 1: Barry Golden, former US Marshall now PI very cadaver dogs

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Speaker 4: We said we gotta go a different direction, and they did.

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Speaker 2: Now, remember he has his water.

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Speaker 1: Mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by

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Speaker 2: Ryan Borgwart's name was run.

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Speaker 5: What it happened was is that his passport was used

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Speaker 5: So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.

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Speaker 1: After a twenty three day search, putting lives at risk,

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Speaker 2: Children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry, Billy?

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Speaker 1: To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,

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Speaker 1: How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your

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Speaker 12: Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and

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Speaker 12: who's easily manipulated. Right, He's constantly wanting attention, but he's

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Speaker 1: You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.

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Speaker 1: What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Have I gone and say is this is a bad dream?

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Speaker 2: This is real? Are you saying he's easily manipulated? I

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Speaker 1: Divers, the men and women out they're risking their lives

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Speaker 2: This POC cares about it? Can you tell me he's manipulating?

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Speaker 12: He cares about something other than them, He cares about

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Speaker 2: Be lover in his Bekistan.

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Speaker 1: Yes, then why are you telling me he's easily manipulated

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Speaker 12: Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who

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Speaker 1: That. Okay, so control yourself, Okay, delatory, you're worried that.

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Speaker 2: He could be talking to a guy in his underwear

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Speaker 12: I'm not worried about.

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Speaker 2: Well, why are you even talking about that? That's not

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Speaker 12: But I'm not worried about what he's.

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Speaker 2: Going to ask you.

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Speaker 1: How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.

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Speaker 1: I've lived through my fiance's murder.

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Speaker 2: I know what it feels like. To think he's dead.

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Speaker 1: And every time my husband is late or he doesn't

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Speaker 1: That's what this woman is probably still going through.

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Speaker 12: You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He

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Speaker 12: doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.

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Speaker 2: Did he ever? Did he ever?

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Speaker 12: Probably at some point, but certainly not now.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just doctor delatory.

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Speaker 1: I know you have a lot of degrees, and you

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Speaker 2: We're so, we think, and you talk to.

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Speaker 1: Me about how he's minneapolated by some naked guy online

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I care about what he's done to

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Speaker 1: If in fact this is true, you know what, control

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Speaker 1: Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and

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Speaker 1: Morse current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public

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Speaker 1: defender and author of The Untested on Amazon. You can

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Speaker 2: Gregory, what about it? Is this a crime if it's true?

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Speaker 13: Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People

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Speaker 13: this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't

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Speaker 2: Get him back.

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Speaker 13: Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you're referred to as the moral police.

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Speaker 1: I guess me I'm not the church lady, But haven't

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Speaker 13: Well, he faked his disappearance to his wife and then

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,

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Speaker 2: You can find her.

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Speaker 1: On TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta Authentic Alpha co.

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Speaker 1: Before I ask you any questions, I've just got to

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Speaker 2: Why can you advice on anything?

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Speaker 14: I go to is Becca stan or stay here?

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Speaker 2: See that one was do I go to is Bekistan

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Speaker 14: Do you have family there?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 14: Why do you want to go to meet a woman?

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Speaker 14: To meet a woman?

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Speaker 14: From Pakistan, you don't like American women?

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Speaker 2: Oh they're familiar, They're familiar. Is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: I guess he wants some strange as some of my

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Speaker 1: right now talking to a guy that looks a lot

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Speaker 2: Uh is it? Wait? Excuse me, but that looks like

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Speaker 1: Joining me, Bailly Boomhwer, Bailly, what prompted you to ask

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Speaker 7: I was just doing my advice series and then this

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Speaker 14: So you've given up on meeting someone here?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm married.

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else?

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Speaker 2: Empty nest.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure that's what I'm asking you.

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Speaker 15: Wait, empty nest, what do you mean my kids are Wait?

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Speaker 11: No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm

445
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Speaker 11: content with and more, I.

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Speaker 15: Think that requires you to divorce someone first.

447
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: Well maybe or is she okay with us? That's a

448
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: good question.

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Speaker 14: Have you had a conversation about that?

450
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Speaker 1: So?

451
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Speaker 14: Would it be like a thropple or something?

452
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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 14: Oh you would you guys would get a divorce?

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Speaker 2: Possibly? Possibly? Yeah, Billy, did you.

455
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Speaker 1: Ever imagine that that I guess beachside video you took

456
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Speaker 1: would be part of a missing person's case?

457
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Speaker 7: I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently

458
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Speaker 7: that people started tagging me and like tagging all these

459
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 7: news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.

460
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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Let's see a picture of Borgwart and compare. Okay, yeah, I.

462
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Speaker 2: Think we've got some more. You be the judge.

463
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Speaker 1: Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture.

464
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Speaker 1: He has less hair than he did in that most

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Speaker 1: recent picture.

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Speaker 2: Oh kidoki?

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a listen to more of Billy

468
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Speaker 1: Boomhauer's interview with who we believe to be Ryan Borgwart.

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Speaker 15: Do you just feel like there's no love left between

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Speaker 15: you guys?

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Speaker 2: Diminished?

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Speaker 14: Finished?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion

474
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Speaker 15: and see where things are going between you two before

475
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Speaker 15: you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would. I

476
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 15: think you guys should sort out where your marriage.

477
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Speaker 14: Is right now. I think that's the first thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to just go out on a limb and

479
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Speaker 1: go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist, Doctor Delatory.

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Speaker 2: You earlier, you were.

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Speaker 1: Talking about how he Borgwart was manipulated online. You do

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Speaker 1: hear what he is saying to Billy Boomhauer, right, he

483
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Speaker 1: has quote dim law for his wife after she's given

484
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Speaker 1: birth to three.

485
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Speaker 2: Of his children and taking care.

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Speaker 1: Of them and him, and now he's like, it's diminished.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that? I did hear that? Yeah? And

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Speaker 2: you don't think he's been manipulated? Good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Still again, I do still think he's being manipulated. I

492
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 12: do think he's being told that whatever love he feels

493
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Speaker 12: isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.

494
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Speaker 12: And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw

495
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Speaker 12: the list of things that the police had had said

496
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Speaker 12: that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I

497
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 12: mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,

498
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Speaker 12: three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty thousand

499
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Speaker 12: dollars life insurance policy. This guy is soft. This guy

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Speaker 12: doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where his

501
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Speaker 12: marriage is. He just wants to leave his family and

502
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Speaker 12: he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.

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Speaker 1: That's I don't know why you keep taking up for him,

504
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Speaker 1: claiming that he's the one being manipulated.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: The the only place I'm getting any straight answers right

507
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Speaker 1: now is from Bailly Boomhauer, who, on a lark, was

508
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Speaker 1: offering advice out along the water.

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Speaker 2: Where were you exactly, Bailly?

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Speaker 7: I was in Pacific Beach, Sandy Ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who

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Speaker 1: we believe to be Borgward, and I.

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Speaker 14: Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up

514
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Speaker 14: in the air.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Six months later, Yeah.

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Speaker 14: You guys should sort that out.

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Speaker 2: That's the advice.

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Speaker 14: Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?

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Speaker 14: Why is it not possible?

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Speaker 2: In decision?

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Speaker 1: Okay, in decision? So because of his indecision, he's led

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Speaker 1: not only his wife and his children, but an entire

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Speaker 1: Griff's force, divers and dogs on a wild goose Chase

524
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Speaker 1: because he can't decide to stay with his wife and

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Speaker 1: family or leave for some woman he thinks.

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Speaker 2: He's going to meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I

527
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Speaker 2: feel like you.

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Speaker 15: Indecision is a decision in itself because if you're even questioning,

529
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Speaker 15: really nice to meet you. Yeah, talk to your wife,

530
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Speaker 15: sort it out. Yeah, you guys need to know be

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Speaker 15: on the same page with what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Ladies, when you run into mister indecision, run for the

533
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Speaker 1: hills as if you had seen a monster.

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Speaker 2: That's my advice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: The judge also ordered the philandering dad to pay thirty

536
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Speaker 1: grand to Green Lake County Sheriff's office in the Wisconsin

537
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Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources because that's about how much they

538
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: spent trying to find his sorry rear end.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at him right now, he's not even all that.

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00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: In fact, he's not even remotely handsome, and he's obviously

541
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Speaker 1: not smart. So what was the draw to start with?

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Speaker 1: His wife is so cute, and she's the mother of

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Speaker 1: his children. I mean, plus she works full time, she's

544
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Speaker 1: bringing home the money.

545
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh, and he went for a big hoe.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, mistress okay overseas spending all that money.

547
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Speaker 2: Ouch.

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Speaker 1: When I said idiot, boy, did I mean idiot? Borgwart

549
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: had been speaking to this woman in Isbekistan before he

550
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Speaker 1: obtained his new passport and a three hundred and seventy

551
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, maybe wishing

552
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: she got the money about right now that said, here's

553
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: the crime you.

554
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: Got this video.

555
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha

556
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Speaker 1: on Insta Authentic Alpha co.

557
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Speaker 2: What was your impression of this guy?

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Speaker 7: It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,

559
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 7: he kind of was like I thought maybe he was

560
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 7: on something or I really couldn't tell if he was

561
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 7: just like joking or if it was real. But then

562
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Speaker 7: the longer it went on, it just seems like it

563
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Speaker 7: was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But

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Speaker 7: as you could see, I was kind of confused the

565
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Speaker 7: whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.

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Speaker 6: Why not write a d.

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Speaker 2: I met that, Oh the way I am right here.

568
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Speaker 12: Go go one street at the seven eleven.

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Speaker 6: It was going on, I've got my family and that on.

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Speaker 3: The phone this week and.

571
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Speaker 15: I get out from from Atlanta to work.

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Speaker 14: I don't know what mynds's fill on the knees.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

575
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Woman, you were not kidnapped.

576
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Speaker 1: You faked your own disappearance on the eve of your wedding.

577
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Wilbanks, known as the runaway bridey, Hey, I can't

578
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Speaker 1: wait to get a hold of Gregory Moore's high profile

579
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Speaker 1: lawyer on this.

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Speaker 2: Do you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?

581
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Speaker 2: Let's listen to some more about how.

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Speaker 1: I would say her.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would say in her forties, maybe it was.

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Speaker 12: Her.

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Speaker 5: You have flag?

586
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Speaker 12: Was it longer?

587
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 14: Short?

588
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 7: St have any facial hair?

589
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Speaker 12: No, we'll color short Jacky with you.

590
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Speaker 8: I want to ask on him.

591
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Speaker 7: I don't know Marion jacking and I don't know what

592
00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 7: colors now? And B the blue band like.

593
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Speaker 1: A word band we're going to convert.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a meaning.

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Speaker 12: It was like a like a like a painter work

596
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Speaker 12: band direction.

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Speaker 2: They I have no idea where I am.

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Speaker 1: You know, I could just listen to her nyl and

599
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: call all day long. But to gregor remorse, she goes

600
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap.

601
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Speaker 1: She actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,

602
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Speaker 1: it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced

603
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Speaker 1: to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the

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Speaker 1: government for her search.

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Speaker 2: Now you can't order reimbursement. A judge can't do that

606
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Speaker 2: unless you're convicted of something. Now you were earlier saying

607
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Speaker 2: this isn't a crime.

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Speaker 13: Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is

609
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Speaker 13: a person that fakes their own death death can make

610
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Speaker 13: a false police reporting, call nine one one. They're supposed

611
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Speaker 13: to be dead. And that's what we have here. The

612
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 13: example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case. Those

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Speaker 13: people called the police. They committed the crime of filing

614
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Speaker 13: a false police report. That's able to be charges.

615
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: But again here we don't have that.

616
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Speaker 13: We have a guy who lied to his family. Not

617
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 13: a nice guy, but not a criminal with regard to

618
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Speaker 13: that aspect. Maybe a civil lawsuit by the local police,

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Speaker 13: they can have at it. They'd probably waste more money

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Speaker 13: and legal fees than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't

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Speaker 13: commit a crime here for being this search. He didn't

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Speaker 13: call the police and create a false report, So you're wrong.

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Speaker 13: There is nothing wrong here. He's no crime for this guy,

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Speaker 13: and probably the jokes on him.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean the joke's on him, Morris? Well,

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Speaker 2: I agree with your doctor.

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Speaker 13: I've been a criminal defense lawyer a long long time

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Speaker 13: and 'll tail signs of the victim of a scam.

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Speaker 13: So when he shows up to that beautiful woman he

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Speaker 13: believes he's going to see in Uzbekkistan, he's going to

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Speaker 13: see an empty place and he's going to have lost

632
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Speaker 13: all his money. So while it's horrible for the family,

633
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 13: this guy's going to probably suffer for his ridiculous decision

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Speaker 13: to leave his family and be you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on great remorse.

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Speaker 1: While faking one's death in itself may not be illegal,

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Speaker 1: what if it is part of a fraudulent plan like

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Speaker 1: insurance fraud.

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Speaker 2: Remember the three hundred and seventy five thousand dollar policy

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Speaker 2: he took out. I do not about that.

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Speaker 1: Row.

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Speaker 13: Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family, which

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 13: sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that someone

644
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Speaker 13: was going to make the insurance claim, then we start

645
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 13: getting into the crime area. It's not a crime to

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Speaker 13: provide for your family, even if you leave them a

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Speaker 13: week later nothing and lie to them about it. There's

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 13: no crime there unless someone tries to get the insurance

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00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 13: money and claims he's deceased. And if the wife tried

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Speaker 13: to do that, now I would venture she's probably criminally

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Speaker 13: liable because there's enough evidence to know this guy's probably

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Speaker 13: alive somewhere.

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Speaker 9: A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after

654
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Speaker 9: his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may

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Speaker 9: be alive and far from home.

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Speaker 1: Barry Golden joining me, former Senior inspector US Marshall Service translation,

657
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Speaker 1: they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner

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Speaker 1: of Golden Consulting and Investigations at goldendashci dot com.

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Speaker 2: Barry, I think Gregory Morse.

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Speaker 1: While I don't like what he's saying, I think a

661
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Speaker 1: lot of what he is saying is correct. I also

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Speaker 1: agree with him that unlike many other cases where we

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Speaker 1: hear about the US Marshals tracking down killers all around

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Speaker 1: the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who murdered a

665
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Speaker 1: pro bicker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered his girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: There's so many that are brought back to the US

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Speaker 2: for justice.

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Speaker 1: I don't see the US marshals spending the money to

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Speaker 1: go halfway around the world with Uzbekistan with him. We

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Speaker 1: don't have any type of treaty spending all that money

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Speaker 1: to bring home basically a deadbeat dad who lies to

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Speaker 1: his wife and family and costs probably over one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars search efforts.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they'll really look for him?

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Speaker 11: Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't

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Speaker 11: think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this

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Speaker 11: guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of

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Speaker 11: the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,

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Speaker 11: it looks like an FBI agent.

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Speaker 2: So how about this?

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Speaker 11: And I disagree with Greg because you can make this

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Speaker 11: what you want to get this guy back on US soil.

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Speaker 11: If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen,

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Speaker 11: then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a

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Speaker 11: passport form that says I lost her my passport was stolen.

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Speaker 11: At the bottom of that form, it says all the

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Speaker 11: information on this form is true and accurate under the

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Speaker 11: penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal

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Speaker 11: crime by committing a false statement on a government document.

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Speaker 11: So if that is true, the FBI can get a

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Speaker 11: warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional

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Speaker 11: arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano,

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Speaker 11: wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why

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Speaker 11: would the FBI be involved if they don't get this

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Speaker 11: guy back and try to get back some restitution, because

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Speaker 11: he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north

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Speaker 11: of one hundred thousand dollars. Like you just said the

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Speaker 11: other thing.

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Speaker 2: I Barry Golden. Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 11: I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from

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Speaker 11: the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name

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Speaker 11: in Canada.

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Speaker 4: Okay, your death one oh one.

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Speaker 11: You don't use your real name, all right, You've got

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Speaker 11: to be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 11: start with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did

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Speaker 11: he get to Canada. He didn't take an uber It's

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Speaker 11: a two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada.

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Speaker 11: Did he have help. Does somebody know his dirty little

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Speaker 11: secret that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows?

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Speaker 11: But the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he

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Speaker 11: might be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working

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Speaker 11: with the FBI the Office of International Affairs, can get

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Speaker 11: an arrest warrant for making false statements on a government

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Speaker 11: document and get his tail back here to the US.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure his wife wants to slap up upside the

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Speaker 11: head and say, what the hell were you thinking? His

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Speaker 11: kids are probably went from being sad to being disgusted

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Speaker 11: at this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.

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Speaker 11: They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars

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Speaker 11: trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.

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Speaker 11: They're going to get this guy back. You think the

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Speaker 11: Schriff's office is just going to say, Ah, he's in Europe,

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Speaker 11: he's gone.

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Speaker 1: You know case No, Barry Golden, everything you said is

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Speaker 1: amazing and correct. Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk

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Speaker 1: to this guy on the waterfront and get basically a

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Speaker 1: confession from him. Billy Boomhower, you can find her on

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Speaker 1: instag at Authentic Alpha Coo Billy. The last thing any

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Speaker 1: woman needs is mister indecisive. I just want to ask

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Speaker 1: you one more time, what was your sense of this

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Speaker 1: guy and what.

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Speaker 2: Do you think about being state's witness Number one?

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Speaker 15: I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and

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Speaker 15: it seemed like he already kind of had his mind made.

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Speaker 7: Up about things, so when he was asking me questions,

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Speaker 7: I feel like he like visically did not want to

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Speaker 7: hear what I was saying. He just wanted me to

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Speaker 7: pretty much tell him like, yes, just go to his

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Speaker 7: back is stand and leave your family. And it just

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Speaker 7: seemed also like he just kept smiling to himself, So

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Speaker 7: I feel like he was almost like smug in a way.

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Speaker 7: But I feel like it could have just been like

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Speaker 7: a confession right before he decided to disappear.

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Speaker 1: The Wisconsin dad who fakes his own death on a

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Speaker 1: kayaking trip to be with his online Uzbekistan fleeing gets

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Speaker 1: just eighty nine days behind bars. Well, he's got a

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Speaker 1: lifetime trying to repair the relationship with his children, and

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Speaker 1: he lost a beautiful, loving, and faithful wife in the deal.

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Speaker 1: That would be sentenced enough again, David, if you want

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Speaker 1: somebody else, run I'd be mad if you didn't go.

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Speaker 1: But don't spend the children's tuition money. Oh now, he says,

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Speaker 1: he quote deeply regard rats his actions and the quote

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Speaker 1: pain I caused my family and friends. You know what,

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Speaker 1: You had an international flight to think about regret. You

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Speaker 1: could have turned right around when you touched down in

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Speaker 1: Eastern Europe.

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Speaker 2: But did you do that. No, you went and tried

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Speaker 2: to sling up with another woman. I don't feel sorry

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Speaker 2: for you. I don't.

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Speaker 1: He regularly communicated with this woman, professing his love and

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Speaker 1: desire to create a new life with her.

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Speaker 2: He reversed his vast sect to me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that was a dirt sandwich. He applied for

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Speaker 1: a replacement passport, claiming the original one was stolen. Oh,

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Speaker 1: opened a new bank account, inquired about transferring funds to

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Speaker 1: foreign banks, stealing his children's money. You know what, I

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Speaker 1: don't think eighty nine days is really enough for this guy.

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Speaker 2: We wait as just as unfold. Goodbye, friend,