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Speaker 1: And away we go from South Florida.

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Speaker 2: Mark Vandermere with you at the NFL annual meeting for

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Speaker 2: Texans Radio, and we are excited to bring you tonight's show,

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Speaker 2: Nick Casserio in just a few moments. Also Texans team

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Speaker 2: president Mike Toeman his second appearance on the show since

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Speaker 2: taken over almost a couple of months ago. I think

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Speaker 2: it's six to eight weeks something like that, as he

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Speaker 2: is here at these meetings as well. Also Jonathan Alexander

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Speaker 2: from The Chronicle, our regular Tuesday visit, but in more

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Speaker 2: humid weather than what we usually feel in Houston this

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Speaker 2: time of year. And Sharene Williams Pro Football Talk, Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Hall of Famer, so we'll talk to her. Also

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Speaker 2: John McClain protege. I guess I can call her that.

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Speaker 2: Some news from the owners meetings. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: breaking out of here. The tush push band did not

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Speaker 2: get approved, disapproved whatever they tabled it, so they'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that again in May. There's some talk about outlawing

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Speaker 2: pushing and pulling, and that would take away the tush push.

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Speaker 2: So the toush push, I guess it's a big topic,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't do anything about it today. They did

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Speaker 2: do something about overtime. So now each team gets the

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Speaker 2: ball no matter what. That's the simplest way to explain this.

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Speaker 2: Each team gets the ball no matter what. These were

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Speaker 2: rules that were in place for playoff games, but now

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Speaker 2: regular season games as well, So a lot of you

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Speaker 2: will be happy about that. The rule change proposal from

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Speaker 2: the Lions about hey, why doesn't a higher seed in

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Speaker 2: the postseason, even though it's a wild card, get a

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Speaker 2: home game over a lower seed that won its division

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Speaker 2: that did not go through? And Rich McKay said they

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Speaker 2: did have a good discussion about that, but sorry, not

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Speaker 1: Those are the highlights.

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Speaker 2: There are others, including free agent contact during the legal

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Speaker 2: tampering period.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about that right now.

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Speaker 2: When I get back to Houston, Johnny and I will

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Speaker 2: go over all this stuff in great detail.

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Speaker 1: But right now I know why you're tuning in.

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Speaker 2: It's not just for me, it's for the general manager

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Speaker 2: and executive vice president, Nick Cassario.

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Speaker 1: We've visited with Nick earlier.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nick, here we are at the NFL annual meeting.

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Speaker 2: How do you like these meetings? You've been here a

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Speaker 2: number of years now, what do.

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Speaker 3: You get out of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, more than anything. It's just kind of a rules discussion.

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Speaker 4: Some of the things that are per and irrelevant. I'd

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Speaker 4: So just get more information, kind of get an idea

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Speaker 4: and maybe with some of the emphasis points will be

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Speaker 2: Like kickoff touchback to the thirty five yard line. What

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Speaker 2: is this going to mean for the NFL for detections too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everybody's gonna have to look at it.

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Speaker 4: every team will probably handle it differently. I think the

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Speaker 2: I won't ask you too much about the push push,

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Speaker 4: Us that, Yeah, I think it's really about the quarterback sneak,

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Speaker 4: good discussion. I think there's going to be some further

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Speaker 2: You've got the draft coming up in three weeks. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean we've talked about this. The

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Speaker 4: so we're able to keep some players from last year's

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Speaker 4: So we're kind of through the March sort of April period,

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Speaker 2: What's the philosophy on the offensive line? Big overhaul there?

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Speaker 3: A lot of football, that have played a lot of snaps.

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Speaker 4: The big thing now is kind of focus what can

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Speaker 2: What can you learn about the old line during OTAs

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the big thing is focused on their strength condition

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Speaker 3: As far as what goes on on the field.

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Speaker 2: The receiver room is going to be very different. You

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's going to kind of create their role based

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Speaker 4: Kirk is a player that we've played against twice a

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Speaker 3: You know, Nico returning. We'll kind of see how Tank progresses.

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Speaker 4: I think Denko had some comments about him the other day,

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Speaker 4: good opportunity for some new faces in addition to some

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Speaker 4: We got Metch coming back, we got Touch coming back.

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Speaker 4: Have some of our younger players around the practice squad

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Speaker 4: last season, Jared Wayne, David Johnson who potentially gonna put

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about all the position groups,

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Speaker 2: but on defense, bringing in CJ.

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Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, real vocal guy, high.

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Speaker 2: Energy, kind of matches up a disease that way, and

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Speaker 2: you were able to make some changes on the D

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we felt our defense was a strength

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Speaker 4: some of the players that we resign in addition to

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Speaker 3: You mentioned CJ. CG is a good football player.

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Speaker 4: He's had an impact on whatever team he's been with,

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Speaker 4: so loves playing football, a lot of energy, a lot

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Speaker 4: of juice. Certainly fits with our mindsett and mentality on

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Speaker 2: When you go into the draft, I guess every year

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Speaker 2: is different because you have different needs. But I know

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Speaker 2: you don't like to entirely draft on needs. So how

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Speaker 2: do you approach this year's draft?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very similarly. We'll go through the process of stacking

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Speaker 4: we're just going to pick the best players that we

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Speaker 4: feel fit to Houston, Texan. So there's no positions that

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Speaker 4: Really don't foresee that change in here this year. So

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Speaker 2: We talked you at the Combine and at these meetings too.

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Speaker 2: Are the seedlings being planted for potential trades dealings, just

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Speaker 2: laying some possible.

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Speaker 3: Framework, Yes and no.

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Speaker 4: You're probably a little further out from some of that,

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Speaker 4: and especially right now where we're scheduled to pick it's

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Speaker 3: Probably not too much is going on.

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Speaker 4: A lot of discussions that are probably taking place and

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Speaker 4: more at the top of the draft, but those discussions

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Speaker 4: will pick up as you get a little bit closer

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Speaker 4: the draft. How much it affects us, how materially it

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Speaker 4: affects us, probably TVD on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to Debico Ryans about this. I'm struck

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Speaker 4: It's awesome. It's tremendous credit to the players. It's a

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Speaker 4: credit to our strength conditioning staff and overall sports performance

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Speaker 4: staff and we've talked about we want to be able

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Speaker 4: to provide the players with the resources that they need

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Speaker 4: so they don't have to go elsewhere any offseason.

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Speaker 3: So we've probably had thirty players.

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Speaker 4: We've had some players that we've signed the offseason who

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Speaker 4: are in other teams who've made positive comments about the

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Speaker 4: number of people that are in the building, which tells

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Speaker 4: us we've got the right people with the right mentality

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Speaker 4: try to improve, and that's all we can ask.

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Speaker 2: It feels like strength and conditioning. Sometimes those guys are

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Speaker 2: the unsung heroes of the coaching staff because they spend

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they spend more time in the players than the

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Speaker 4: And that's the way it shouldn't be. So we're always

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Speaker 3: Nick bens a lot, Good luck, Thanks Benny.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there's Nick Cassario, executive vice president and general

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Speaker 5: Your reaction to being here at the NFL Annual Meeting.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's been a great couple of days, great setting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go. Well, you've been in a number

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the great things

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Speaker 2: How important is that global growth for the NFL, not

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Speaker 7: How do you get an access.

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Speaker 7: And that's exciting for us.

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Speaker 2: Now you've coached it, right, I have, I have. So

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Speaker 6: Well, I can't tell that because I haven't retired officially.

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Speaker 5: You haven't shared it with Demiko Rice yet already.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like that, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: No, I mean we are like when I get excited about.

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Speaker 7: That is one of the most exciting things.

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Speaker 6: And the great thing is the buzz that is here

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Speaker 2: Well, I've noticed more players than ever working out in

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Speaker 2: But I've also noticed so that culture really flourishing. I've

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Speaker 6: Well, thanks for saying that. You know, we're pretty fortunate.

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Speaker 2: Since we last got together, a lot of people are

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Speaker 6: I think the great thing that I've realized is.

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Speaker 6: And there's a ton of excitement across the board, I mean.

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Speaker 2: know that's got to be crazy. Stuff with Avenita being

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Speaker 2: the site, is that it by Medello. I know you're

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Speaker 2: excited to see that, to see all the fans in

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Speaker 2: one place and it's not game day, but it's pretty close.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think anytime that we can be with our fans

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Speaker 6: on an exciting, relevant moment, that's a great days and it's.

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Speaker 7: Important for us to be accessible.

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Speaker 6: So when we think about Avenita's, as you said, sponsored

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Speaker 6: by Modello are great partners, that's one of those places.

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Speaker 7: It's an easy place to get to.

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Speaker 6: It's a way that we can all get together and

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Speaker 6: draft's always a fun time. You know, you get to

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Speaker 6: talk about team direction and you get to witness live events.

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Speaker 6: So I couldn't think of a better place than to

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Speaker 6: be with all of our fans.

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Speaker 5: All right, So how has it been for you adjusting

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Speaker 5: to Houston so far?

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Speaker 1: Has it been that long?

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Speaker 2: And I know you know the city, but now you're

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Speaker 2: really part of the city.

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Speaker 7: It's been fantastic.

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Speaker 6: I mean maybe one of the easiest things I've ever

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Speaker 6: had to do.

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Speaker 7: It is uh, it is.

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Speaker 6: Such such a warm culture, warm city, best fans. It

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Speaker 6: is like I said, it has been such a great

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Speaker 6: thing to go through and such an easy thing to do.

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Speaker 2: I know, the rodeo is a big partner of the Texans.

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Speaker 2: So what was it like for you to sort of

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Speaker 2: experience that from the inside. You're inside the building while

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Speaker 2: the rodeo's going.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Like I was telling people, it's not my

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Speaker 6: first rodeo, it was my first Houston rodeo, and it's

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Speaker 6: pretty special, you know. I think just the size and

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Speaker 6: the scope and the quality it is. It is a

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Speaker 6: great atmosphere and was really excited to be a part

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Speaker 6: of it.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: One more for you as you embark in the early

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Speaker 2: stages of your presidency of the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 5: I know you have long range plans.

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Speaker 2: How do and this is good for anybody who has

486
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Speaker 2: a business or leads anybody, how do you go about

487
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Speaker 2: five year plan, two years, one year? How do you

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Speaker 2: go about that in the culture of the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I think you always think about the

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Speaker 6: basis because you need a strong foundation.

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Speaker 7: You need to have a vision on where you're going.

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Speaker 6: I think the McNair's have done a great job laying

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Speaker 6: that out, so we have a great feel and a

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Speaker 6: great vision. For me, it's about the basis, and the

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Speaker 6: basis is making sure we're aligned. We were just talking

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Speaker 6: about football the business side, making sure everything's aligned in

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Speaker 6: our look and our field, we're authentic to football and

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Speaker 6: making sure we're aligned as a business. And so, as

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Speaker 6: you know, Mark, we've spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 6: the beginning talking about alignment. We have great people making

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Speaker 6: sure everyone is aligned with the vision and everyone knows

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Speaker 6: how they contribute.

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Speaker 5: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for joining us, Mike, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 7: Mark.

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Speaker 2: There's President Mike Towman of your Houston Texans all right,

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Speaker 2: coming up. Sharene Williams covers the NFL at large and

508
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Speaker 2: works for Pro Football Talk. We will talk to her

509
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Speaker 2: in a bit. Jonathan Alexander from The Chronicle joins us

510
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Speaker 2: next on Texans Radio. Kipping it rolling here from the

511
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Speaker 2: NFL Annual Meeting. Mark VanderMeer with you back with Johnny

512
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Speaker 2: later this week. I think Thursday night will be our

513
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Speaker 2: next show together. Tomorrow he'll be driving, but we still

514
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Speaker 2: have a lot of content from these meetings, including the mcnairs.

515
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Speaker 2: They're gonna be on the show Calan Hanna McNair on Wednesday,

516
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Speaker 2: right out of the shoot, so you don't want to

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Speaker 2: miss that, among other guests we will have on the

518
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Speaker 2: program later on this week. Paul Kaharski from Paul Koharski

519
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Speaker 2: dot com covers the Titans and a bunch of other things.

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Speaker 2: AFC South expert and Stephen Holder, Colts expert and NFL

521
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Speaker 2: expert from ESPN, So he's going to join us as

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Speaker 2: well this week. John mcclan will join us on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of stuff happening on the program this week.

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Speaker 2: And I got a comment that I'm really slowing down

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Speaker 2: on my name dropping. I guess I haven't kept up

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Speaker 2: with my name dropping expertise. Usually I'm just on fire

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Speaker 2: at the combine and these NFL annual meetings, the owners

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Speaker 2: meetings with the name dropping.

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Speaker 1: You want me to do some listen.

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Speaker 2: As we've discussed with many of the guests, it is

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Speaker 2: really incredible when you're on the shrimp line or the

532
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Speaker 2: sushi line with Brian Dabel or Andy Read and you

533
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Speaker 2: walk over there and there's Jerry Jones talking to some

534
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Speaker 2: people and our photographer, well videographer Josh Siege was he's

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Speaker 2: here for the first time. He was at the reception

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Speaker 2: on Sunday night and he said he sits down at

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Speaker 2: one of these I guess circular stand up tables, you know,

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Speaker 2: or heat or durvs and Shod Khan comes over there

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Speaker 2: and puts his plate down next to him, and he thought, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm at a table with Sead Khan, owner of the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: How does this happen?

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Speaker 2: And I was kind of jelly because I would have

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Speaker 2: talked to Shad about Fulham, his soccer club, football club

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Speaker 2: in the Premier League.

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Speaker 1: They played Craven Cottage.

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Speaker 2: Johnny and I went to a match when we were

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Speaker 2: there in twenty nineteen, playing the Jaguars, So I kind

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Speaker 2: of became not so much a fan, but just interested

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Speaker 2: in how they're doing because I want to follow the

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Speaker 2: Premier League a little bit. And I thought, since I've

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Speaker 2: seen them up close, A'm going to follow them. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not really a fan because you know, my test

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Speaker 2: in being a fan or not, and the test is

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Speaker 2: you know you're a fan when the team loses you

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Speaker 2: feel pain. If the team loses and you feel pain,

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Speaker 2: you're a fan. If the team loses and you feel

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Speaker 2: no pain, I'm sorry, you're not a fan.

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Speaker 1: You're fair weather. Fine, nothing wrong with being fair weather.

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Speaker 2: I've jumped on many a bandwagon in my dad do

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Speaker 2: it every NCAA tournament, every time I don't have a

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Speaker 2: dog in the fight. I pick a team whatever, whether

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Speaker 2: it's the tournament, NBA playoffs, that the Rockets are out

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Speaker 2: of it, or whatever. I'll pick a dog and follow it.

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Speaker 2: But I usually don't feel pain in these circumstances. So

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Speaker 2: that's how I know I'm not a true Fulham fan,

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Speaker 2: but I do like following football overseas and especially on

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Speaker 2: American shores. American football the greatest game ever. Let's get

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Speaker 2: to a conversation that I had just a few hours ago.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Alexander covers the Texans for the Chronicle. We have

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Speaker 2: them on every Tuesday night, and this Tuesday is no different.

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Speaker 2: All Right, our weekly visit with Jonathan Alexander from the

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Speaker 2: Houston Chronicle.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan, you joined South Florida.

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Speaker 8: So far, I'm enjoying it. And I've been out here

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Speaker 8: for a week now.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: We told you last.

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Speaker 8: Time that, yeah, I had just arrived in Miami and

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Speaker 8: took a week long vacation before the owners meetings, and

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Speaker 8: I'm enjoying the sun.

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Speaker 9: I enjoyed the beaches, and now it's back on the grind.

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Speaker 2: Back on the grind, and the grind included meeting with

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Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans on Monday.

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Speaker 1: So what were your takeaways.

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Speaker 2: Give me two or three takeaways from your conversations with

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Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing was he talked for the

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Speaker 8: first time, he addressed why they traded Laramy Tumsel, and

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Speaker 8: I thought he provided a lot more clarity in the

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Speaker 8: fact that you know, it was, you know, a deal

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Speaker 8: that they couldn't pass up.

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Speaker 9: They got four draft picks.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, the Texans want to get younger at certain positions.

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Speaker 8: They want to invest in their younger players like CD Striw,

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Speaker 8: Will Anderson, Jalen Petrie. Of course, they you know, gave

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Speaker 8: Derek Stingley the contract extension, and in order to do that,

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Speaker 8: they felt like they needed to trade Laramy Tunsel. It

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Speaker 8: wasn't because of a toxic environment as what was previously kind.

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Speaker 9: Of reported in a couple of reports.

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Speaker 8: Demico denied those But they're building this offensive line. The

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Speaker 8: the challenge now is trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 8: replace a guy like Larryman sons of who was a

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Speaker 8: Pro Bowl guy. And what you see and how they're

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Speaker 8: building this team is they're adding a lot of competition

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Speaker 8: at various spots in the offensive line, whether that's tackle

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Speaker 8: guard and giving different guys the opportunity to compete for

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Speaker 8: a starting.

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Speaker 1: Role wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he really likes Kirk, which you'd figure he

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Speaker 2: would because they acquired him and he talked about his speed.

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Speaker 2: I think Kirk is gonna be interesting to watch for

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Speaker 2: this team, you know, being healthy out there, good route runner.

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Speaker 2: That's a nice digs replacement. Really, I mean it digs

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Speaker 2: as digs, I get it. But if Nico's healthy and

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Speaker 2: Kirk is healthy, and then you get some other help,

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Speaker 2: it seems like it could be a really good mix.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: I think it hinges on the health of Christian Kirk

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Speaker 8: because you know, I was just actually talking to a

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Speaker 8: guy who covered the Jaguars and he's saying, the guy

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Speaker 8: can still separate like he is. You know, he's twenty

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Speaker 8: I think twenty nine or twenty eight, so he's still

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Speaker 8: at the top of his game. Hasn't slowed down yet.

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Speaker 8: It's just a matter of can't he stay on the field.

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Speaker 8: When he stays on the field, he is a productive

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Speaker 8: wide receiver and plays out of the slot, and he'll

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Speaker 8: be a good you know, mixing, a good ad for

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Speaker 8: a guy like Nico Collins, who later towards the end

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Speaker 8: of last year had a lot of the attention places

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Speaker 8: on him because they didn't have you know, their other

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Speaker 8: wide receivers.

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Speaker 9: Who were healthy.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that'll be fun to watch him operate the

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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball again.

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Speaker 1: Coach super excited about what they've added.

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Speaker 2: But I felt this, You know, he hates seeing guys

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Speaker 2: walk out no matter what the situation is, because you know,

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Speaker 2: there's some players that he probably loved working with that

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Speaker 2: maybe they can't get back, like Eric Murray, he mentioned

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Speaker 2: him by name.

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Speaker 8: What are your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I thought, you know,

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Speaker 8: Eric Murray obviously got a phenomenal deal for himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: with the Jaguars, if he were to come back, he'd

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Speaker 8: probably be like a third safety time a role.

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Speaker 9: But then you add a guy like c. J.

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Speaker 8: Gardner Johnson who was one among the best ballhawks in

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Speaker 8: the league six interceptions, which would have been more than

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Speaker 8: any Texans would have had, and they feel like they're

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Speaker 8: elevating that room. And they also gives you kind of

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Speaker 8: another leader or somebody Kaylen Bullock can look up to,

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Speaker 8: and Kaylyn book is somebody they have strong faith in.

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Speaker 8: So you know, I was listening to Nick Sirianni talk

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Speaker 8: about c J. Gardner Johnson and he loved him, and

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Speaker 8: he thought that c J. Gardner Johnson really brought the

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Speaker 8: energy for that Eagles team and they were sad to

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Speaker 8: lose them. But I think another strength for the Texans

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Speaker 8: is they re upped on that defensive line.

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Speaker 9: They brought a lot of guys back, also brought back.

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Speaker 8: Sheldon Rankings who they think can help elevate them, and

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Speaker 8: I think that's gonna be huge for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bringing Barnett back is big. Yeah, And you mentioned CJ.

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Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson, what Sirianni said about his energy. Between CJ.

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Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson and his he'z al Shier, I think those

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Speaker 2: two guys are so vocal. They're gonna be big energy

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Speaker 2: boosts for a unit that maybe doesn't even need it,

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Speaker 2: but it's certainly gonna help, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, the more guys you have talking, the more guys

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Speaker 8: you have who are encouraging other players to bring that heat,

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Speaker 8: to to bring that energy.

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Speaker 9: To bring it on the field.

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Speaker 8: You want those type of guys, and Demico talked about it.

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Speaker 8: He fits the type of player that he looks for.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I think He's gonna be a huge benefit.

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Speaker 8: Uh and it's gonna be one of the most feared

677
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Speaker 8: secondaries in the NFL as long as they can remain healthy.

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Speaker 8: You know, I can only see Kamaria Lassiter extending his game,

679
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Speaker 8: Kaylen Bullock is sending his game. And then you add

680
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Speaker 8: that with Stingley and Bullock in the the Texans are

681
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Speaker 8: really building a deep, deep team and that's what Demiko

682
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Speaker 8: I wanted to do this offseason.

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Speaker 2: We don't talk about this much, but with no John Wiggs,

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Speaker 2: Tucker Addington now long snapper and canambe fair baron?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they bring in competition for him?

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Speaker 2: Obviously, fire hot start for him last season unbelievable and

687
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Speaker 2: then down to stretch some kicks he would definitely want back.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts heading into camp and place kicker.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised, just knowing Frank Ross and

690
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Speaker 8: and the level of accountability he has as a coach.

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Speaker 9: I do think that they'll probably bring in some competition.

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Speaker 8: Now, I don't think that that competition will probably challenge

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Speaker 8: Kanymi for a Rochester by, but I think they will

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Speaker 8: bring in somebody to signal.

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Speaker 9: That this is serious.

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Speaker 8: We need you to perform at a more consistent level

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Speaker 8: that you had done in the past, because it was

698
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Speaker 8: a little bit shaky last year and they can't have that.

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Speaker 8: Those are the difference between a lot of these games

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Speaker 8: in the NFL that come down between one possession. You've

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Speaker 8: got to have a solid automatic kicker and they're paying

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Speaker 8: him like one. And he's done it before, so you

703
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Speaker 8: know that he can do it. You know, kicking is

704
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Speaker 8: such a mental game, right and and and Kayimi uh

705
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Speaker 8: when that pressure has been has been on his back

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Speaker 8: in the past, he has performed up to that level.

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Speaker 9: So I believe that will happen.

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Speaker 2: I think coaches and gms would love to have competition

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Speaker 2: at all positions, but you can't afford to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't afford to have dual long snappers, putters, kickers.

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Speaker 2: Every position group on the team obviously has multiple spots

712
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Speaker 2: or multiple players competing or at those spots, but to

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Speaker 2: create the actual competition is easier said than thought, because

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Speaker 2: you can't get pro bowlers at every position in multiple ways.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, you know that's hard, and you only have a

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Speaker 8: certain amount of spots you can bring in camp.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I do think that you'll probably see an

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Speaker 9: extra kicker.

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Speaker 8: Body in or tryout or somebody you know in training camp,

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Speaker 8: and then eventually I think Kyami will went out.

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Speaker 2: Any other takeaways from these meetings as far as the

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Speaker 2: rest of the AFC South, Jonathan.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean as far as the AFC South.

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Speaker 8: You know, the Jaguars think that Liam Cohen can can

726
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Speaker 8: help elevate this team, and I think they'll be a

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Speaker 8: better team. I just have trouble seeing them become a

728
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Speaker 8: playoff team. I think they have a lot more pieces

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Speaker 8: that they have to figure out, and this is a

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Speaker 8: rebuild for them.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 9: The Colts, of course have a situation.

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Speaker 8: Where Anthony you're interested in, and and Daniel Jones and

734
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Speaker 8: and who went out, and and then the and then

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Speaker 8: of course the Titans pick and who they're gonna pick

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Speaker 8: number one?

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Speaker 9: Overall, I think they gotta go with cam Ward.

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Speaker 8: Uh So, it's a lot of interesting happenings in the

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Speaker 8: AFC South. But I think the Texans are in another

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Speaker 8: good position to I think emerge if if they can

741
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Speaker 8: stay healthy at the right positions.

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Speaker 2: All had Paul Kaharski and he said the Texans will

743
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Speaker 2: win this division by five games. I thought Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see it, but well, we'll wait till

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Speaker 2: that happens.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: When you're walking around these halls here at the NFL

748
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: Annual meeting, I always think this would be great for

749
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Speaker 2: fans to see, but you couldn't possibly do it. You

750
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Speaker 2: get like maybe one fan win a contest and mingle around.

751
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Speaker 2: But how would you describe what you see here to

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Speaker 2: the listeners?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, I wrote a little bit about

754
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 8: this in my newsletter, and you know, the hotel is extravagant.

755
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 8: It's beach front, you would say, the best of the best,

756
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 8: you know, the and you're you're liable to walk into

757
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 8: just just about anybody, whether it's Sean McVay or Mike Lafore.

758
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 9: I bumped into him twice. Any NFL owner Jerry Jones.

759
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Speaker 8: We saw him at one of the restaurants inside the hotel.

760
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Speaker 9: So but it's a beautiful scene.

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Speaker 8: A lot of palm trees right now, Sunny Skies, which

762
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Speaker 8: is which is awesome. But it's just like a it's interesting,

763
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Speaker 8: and this is where the rules happened in the off

764
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Speaker 8: season and are mended in in our made and uh,

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Speaker 8: it's it's it's an overall kind of fascinating, kind of

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Speaker 8: setting to be in in the NFL's off season.

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Speaker 2: So you've been in South Florida for about a week

768
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Speaker 2: or whatever. What is your take on South Florida, the

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Speaker 2: whole pob beach, for Lauderdale, Miami, the whole area.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I love for Lauderdale because it's peaceful. You know.

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Speaker 8: Miami is a little bit more happening, a lot a

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Speaker 8: lot going on. Me and my girlfriend, we we hung out.

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Speaker 8: We didn't do we didn't do the crazy scene. We

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Speaker 8: we tried to do the more quieter stuff. Went to the museums,

775
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 8: tried to eat his food. It doesn't have as good

776
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 8: food as Houston, I'll say that right for sure. But

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Speaker 8: I enjoyed it was peaceful going to the beach.

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Speaker 9: That's my happy spot. Okay, So but now it's back

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Speaker 9: to reality.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So what do you have going out of the chronicle?

782
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Speaker 2: You have the newsletter you told us about.

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Speaker 1: What else?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, got a story we posted on on Dmika Ryant's

785
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 8: thinking as far as how he built this offense line.

786
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 8: We just talked about it and I'll have some more stuff.

787
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Speaker 8: As we talked to cal McNair a little bit later

788
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Speaker 8: on about the future of Texans.

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Speaker 1: Very cool.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Jonathan, thanks for having me there. It

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Speaker 2: is our weekly conversation with Jonathan Alexander. Here from the

792
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Speaker 2: NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach at the Breakers, where

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Speaker 2: I am shutting down Radio Row. I am the last

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Speaker 2: guy here on Radio Row during the NFL Annual Meeting.

795
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Speaker 2: This is the first time this has ever happened. The

796
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Steelers they're done. They go to everything. I mean, the

797
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: Steeler nation is strong with their team media stuff and

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Speaker 2: ninety eight point five the sport.

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Speaker 1: I think they're done.

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Speaker 2: It looks like, oh maybe I'm not the last guy here.

801
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Speaker 2: That station, by the way, the Sports Hub, The Hub Boston.

802
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: They are a big time sports talk radio station. But

803
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Speaker 2: as far as team media, last guy here, but a

804
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Speaker 2: lot of writers are still here doing stuff.

805
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Speaker 1: You know, they write for ever.

806
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Speaker 2: Wanting to cover everything that's been going on here at

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Speaker 2: the meetings. Okay, coming up, Sharen Williams.

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Speaker 1: We love her.

809
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: She writes and she talks, and she's from Pro Football Talk.

810
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: She's a John McClain protege, a Texan. Fun to visit

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Speaker 2: with her. That's next here on Texans Radio. Final segment.

812
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Speaker 2: We're rid in a fire off here Sharen Williams, Pro

813
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Speaker 2: Football Talk Outstanding Writer, Pro Football Hall of Famer. Let's

814
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Speaker 2: get into that with Sharen Williams. So Build Nunn Award winner,

815
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Speaker 2: which means you're in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

816
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Speaker 2: So you're a Hall of Famer just like the General

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Speaker 2: John McClain. How's it going, Sharen, it's going good.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you should be introduced like that.

820
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Speaker 2: You're a Hall of Famer. I mean, how does that

821
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Speaker 2: make you feel when I say that? I know it

822
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: was since twenty eighteen that you've had this honor, but

823
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Speaker 2: it it's got to have some perpetual energy, if you will.

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Speaker 10: It does.

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Speaker 11: And seeing your name in there right next to John

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Speaker 11: McLean's is a real thrill. You know, I grew up

827
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Speaker 11: in Beaumont reading John. He was one of my heroes

828
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Speaker 11: growing up. I wanted to be just like John, except

829
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Speaker 11: I wanted to cover the Cowboys as a Cowboys fan

830
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Speaker 11: growing up. So yeah, I've gotten to do what I

831
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Speaker 11: wanted to do in my career. And that was just

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Speaker 11: kind of the cheery on top of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the Cowboys because I know you've

834
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Speaker 2: worked for Pro Football Talk. You covered the entire league,

835
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Speaker 2: but you're still up there. You're based up there, right.

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Speaker 10: I go to the home games.

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Speaker 11: I don't obviously, I traveled with them for seventeen years,

838
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 11: covered them as a beat for seventeen years. My two

839
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Speaker 11: main teams now being in Texas and having grown up

840
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 11: in Beaumont again, and you know a lot of Texans

841
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 11: fans down there now. So Texans and the Cowboys are

842
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 11: my two primary teams.

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Speaker 2: So I've talked to a lot of people this week,

844
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Speaker 2: and I have this theme where did it all go wrong?

845
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Speaker 1: For teams? Where it all went wrong?

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Speaker 2: Now, it hasn't all gone wrong to the Cowboys, but

847
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: it hasn't lived up to their standard for the last thirty.

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Speaker 1: Years, right.

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Speaker 2: And for a lot of teams, it's we haven't got

850
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: the quarterback position right. But you've had Tony Romo for

851
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: a long stretch. You've had Dak Prescott, who's a good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you see it. What would you

853
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: say is wrong with the Cowboys? I know they had

854
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: the two was it two or three great regular seasons

855
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: with McCarthy twelve wins. Outstanding output in the regular season,

856
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Speaker 2: not so much in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Shari, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Three consecutive twelve wins seasons, first time they had done

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Speaker 11: that since the nineteen nineties, and couldn't get it done

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Speaker 11: in the postseason.

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Speaker 10: For whatever reason.

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Speaker 11: There's been different reasons they haven't gotten it done in

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Speaker 11: the postseason, and a couple of those times they've had

864
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Speaker 11: the best record in the NFC going in the postseason

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Speaker 11: and couldn't even get to the championship game. Couldn't win

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Speaker 11: one game to get to the championship game. So a

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Speaker 11: lot of things have had a lot of different things

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Speaker 11: have gone wrong lately. It's to me it's been that

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00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 11: they haven't spent the money in free agency to supplement

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Speaker 11: they've drafted really well. I understand for the most they've

871
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 11: had some very successful drafts when you look at Ceedee

872
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 11: Lamb and Michael Parson, some of the players that they've

873
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 11: built around, even going back farther than that, and the

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Speaker 11: Zach Martin's and the Tyron Smiths and those Tyler smith

875
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 11: those types of guys in the offensive line. But you

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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 11: can't draft seven or eight guys and expect them to

877
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 11: come in and start for you and be longtime starters.

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Speaker 10: That's not how it works in the league.

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Speaker 11: If you hit on three or four of the guys

880
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 11: in your draft, that was a great draft. If you

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Speaker 11: have three or four of those guys starting. And so

882
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 11: last year they were relying on a ton of rookies

883
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 11: to come in and start for him, and you just

884
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 11: can't do that. You've got to supplement with free agency.

885
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 11: And they're not willing to spend the money. They did

886
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 11: better this year. They did spend some money.

887
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 10: Did they do enough? I don't know.

888
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna find that out well, Brian Schottenheimer, See, I'm

889
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: in the minority.

890
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: I think where I'm thinking crazy like a fox. Right.

891
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a great delegator.

892
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's the great organize or that they need

893
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: to put the whole thing together. What are your thoughts

894
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: so far in covering him? I know you had the

895
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: coach's breakfast this week.

896
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 11: I think he's been impressive with how he's handled things

897
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 11: since he's gotten the job, you know, And I think

898
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 11: he's convinced some Cowboys fans that maybe he's the guy.

899
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 11: You know, they were against him when it. You know,

900
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 11: we're settling, we're settling, We're settling. And now I think

901
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 11: he's he's done enough and been impressive enough in his

902
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 11: press conferences that they're like, gonna give him a chance.

903
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 11: Now that honeymoon's gonna wear off, as we all know

904
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 11: very very quickly, you know, if they don't start off the.

905
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 10: Season well, So they do have to do that. They

906
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 10: do have to start off with.

907
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 11: Some wins to get people really on board that that

908
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 11: he is the guy. But they're gonna give him a

909
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 11: chance initially, and we all know Jerry doesn't buy out contract,

910
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 11: so he's gonna be here probably for the duration of

911
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 11: his contract coaching this team. And however they do is

912
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 11: however they do, and and that's kind of been there

913
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 11: under Jerry since Jason Garrett initially got the job over

914
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 11: Wade Phillips in the middle of the season, then became

915
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 11: the full time coach the next year. That's kind of

916
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 11: how they've done their business. So he's gonna be there,

917
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 11: you know, long term. This is he gonna be a

918
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 11: one year thing or two year thing. He's gonna get

919
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 11: time to see what he can do to build a team. Now,

920
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 11: I mean said all that, it's a lot different being

921
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 11: a coordinator and not having to call plays, and now

922
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 11: he's gonna call plays and be the head coach, a

923
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 11: lot different role he's going to.

924
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 10: Be in next year.

925
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Sharen, Dak Prescott, you get asked all the time,

926
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: how good is he? What's the deal? Where does he

927
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: fit in with the quarterbacks in the league? And I'm

928
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 2: going to join that chorus, what's the deal with Dak Prescott?

929
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: Because we've seen such outstanding production from him, but you've

930
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: seen some moments that you want to have back in

931
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: the postseason for sure.

932
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know they've stuck with him because it's so

933
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 11: hard to find a quarterback in this league and they

934
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 11: feel like he's a guy that can win with I

935
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 11: think his legs are probably shot. I think we've seen

936
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 11: that of a lot couple of years since the fractured

937
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 11: ankle that he had. I don't think he's the same

938
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 11: guy running. I think that's taken away some of that ability.

939
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 11: He's got to stay healthy, and last year he didn't

940
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 11: stay healthy, and some of it's just bad luck. But

941
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 11: you know, you got to have your quarterback on the

942
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 11: field to have a chance to win in this league.

943
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 10: We all know that Nick Foles.

944
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 11: Then what the Eagles did with Nick Foles doesn't happen

945
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 11: in this league very often, if you don't have your

946
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 11: starting quarterback, normally the season is going to be over.

947
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 11: And we saw that with the Cowboys last year. They

948
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 11: weren't very good before he got hurt, and they definitely

949
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 11: weren't good after he got hurt. So you know, he's

950
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 11: got to stay healthy first of all, and then I

951
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 11: still think he has a lot to prove despite the contract.

952
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 10: Sixty million dollars a year they're paying him.

953
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 11: Just like I said, Brian Schottenheimer's there, these two guys

954
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 11: are tied together. The Cowboys are tied to Dak Prescott

955
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 11: for the next four years with the contract.

956
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 10: They gave him, and that is what it is.

957
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 11: And if they don't accomplish anything in the next four years,

958
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 11: he's going to be gone. So he's got four years

959
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 11: to get something done and if he can can't do that,

960
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 11: then they're gonna move on. But I do think you

961
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 11: see him draft a quarterback at some point. This draft

962
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 11: signing will be early. I think Cowboys fans.

963
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 10: Will revolt if it's early.

964
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 11: But fourth fifth, you know that third day, I think

965
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 11: you're gonna see him draft a quarterback. They have interesting

966
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 11: Quinn Yours and seeing if they can develop Quinn yours.

967
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 11: We'll see if he's still there, yeah, when they get

968
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 11: to that point, but they do have some interest in him.

969
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: Sharen Williams joining us. How surprised were you at Washington's

970
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: success last year?

971
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 11: A little bit, but I did think that they had

972
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 11: a shot at the playoffs getting Dan Quinn and they're

973
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 11: getting Jade Daniels, and it always comes down to how's

974
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 11: your quarterback gonna play?

975
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 10: Just like c J.

976
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 11: Stroud played great as a rookie, Daniels played great as

977
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 11: a rookie, and that's what you wanted to see if

978
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 11: you're the Commanders, And I think he showed he's a

979
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 11: franchise quarterback. And we started listing top ten quarterbacks in

980
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 11: the league. I think you put him in that top

981
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 11: ten right now of of quarterbacks in this league with

982
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 11: the way he played. So, you know, it's great for

983
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 11: Commanders fans. They suffered a long time, especially with the

984
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 11: ownership situation the way it was, so kudos to what

985
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 11: they did and changeing ownership, getting Dane Quinn in there

986
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 11: and getting Jaydon Daniels as their pick at quarterback. I think,

987
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 11: you know, I think the jury is still out on

988
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 11: Caleb Williams. I don't think the jury is still out

989
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 11: on Jane Daniels. I think we all saw he can play.

990
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 11: He's a franchise quarterback, and to me, Caleb Williams still

991
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 11: has something to prove next year with the Eagles.

992
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you win a Super Bowl with Doug

993
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Peterson and Nick Foles, like you said, coming off the bench,

994
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: and then you win one last year and it's a

995
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: different regime coaching the team. But Howie Roseman is the

996
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: thread here, maybe a rope really is that? It is

997
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: that why they're such an elite organization right now.

998
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think you see what they did

999
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 11: in free agency, you know, getting Saquan and the other

1000
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 11: players they got. I mean Zach Bond, he you know,

1001
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 11: it wasn't a big name last year, and what they

1002
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 11: did in him fit their system perfectly. I think that's

1003
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 11: what he's really good at. It's not just getting Anybody

1004
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 11: could have seen that Taekwon Barker was gonna be really good.

1005
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 11: If he could stay healthy, he was gonna be He's

1006
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 11: gonna do what he did in Philadelphia. I mean, he's

1007
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 11: that good of a running back. But the Zach Bonds

1008
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 11: and those type of players. I think is where how

1009
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 11: he excels, and it's maybe the best of anybody in

1010
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 11: the league is finding those guys supplementing And that's what

1011
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 11: I was talking about with Dallas.

1012
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 10: Find those guys who.

1013
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 11: Supplement your roster that you don't pay those high salaries too,

1014
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 11: that fit your system perfectly, and he does a very

1015
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 11: good job of that. And so I do think that's

1016
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 11: you know, if they didn't have the best quarterback, they

1017
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 11: didn't have the best quarterback in that game, they didn't

1018
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 11: have the best quarterback in some of their playoff games,

1019
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 11: they had the best team and the best team won it.

1020
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 11: The quarterback was good enough, and the team was the

1021
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 11: best in the NFL last year. And I think they're

1022
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 11: when you look at their roster, they're one of the

1023
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 11: best teams again this year, and they're gonna be hard

1024
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 11: to beat again this year. So you know, it's tough

1025
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 11: to win back to back, but you know, you start

1026
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 11: looking at teams that are going to be contenders, they're.

1027
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 10: Going to be right there.

1028
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: Sureen yesterday they were talking about this league and more

1029
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: international opportunities for teams to market themselves, UAE, et cetera.

1030
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: It's amazing in your opinion, Are we definitely headed for

1031
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: eighteen games and maybe a sixteen seventeen game international slate

1032
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: with various teams filling those holes.

1033
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 11: I don't think there's any question. I think that's exactly

1034
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 11: where it's headed. It's new revenue streams for the league.

1035
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 11: I think that's what they're looking for. So yeah, I

1036
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 11: don't think there's any doubt that's exactly what we're going

1037
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 11: to see, and I think we're going.

1038
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 10: To see it fairly quickly.

1039
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 11: The move to eighteen games, the league will have to

1040
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 11: figure out what to give up to the players to

1041
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 11: get to that point. The players are against it right now.

1042
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 11: I mean I've been at some of those NFL PA

1043
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 11: things at the Super Bowl and there's like, look, we're

1044
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 11: not for this.

1045
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 10: Nobody. I haven't heard a single player say we're for this.

1046
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 11: So they've got to figure out what to give the

1047
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 11: players to get them to agree to it. We all

1048
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 11: know that money is a big incentive, and that may

1049
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 11: be part of it, and there may be other things

1050
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 11: that they throw in there to get them to agree

1051
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 11: to that. But I do think they get them to

1052
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 11: agree to that, and we go to eighteen games and

1053
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 11: have As you said, a slate of international games. I

1054
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 11: think we probably see every team playing internationally every single year.

1055
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: It's wild. It's wild to think about.

1056
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: See I think and see if you agree with this,

1057
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: they got it. It's not cutting camp short. But when

1058
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: they got rid of the fourth preseason game, the workload

1059
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: is the same because the starters i'll put that in

1060
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: air quotes didn't play in that fourth game anyway, but

1061
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: they're in the building the same amount of weeks practicing.

1062
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: So they really got no break whatsoever for getting the

1063
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: seventeen games. Now they get more money, which is nice,

1064
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: and I think the eighteen games. I don't know how

1065
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: you handle this. They talk about less offseason time, but

1066
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: the coaches are going to say, we need more because

1067
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: we're not going to be ready.

1068
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, well that they're going to have to do something

1069
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 11: about the offseason program. It's going to be down. They

1070
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 11: don't need as much time as what they get. Now

1071
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 11: we're going to see that reduced.

1072
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 10: You know, I'm starting to see a lot of these veteran.

1073
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 11: Players don't participate in the voluntary portion of the off

1074
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 11: season program and in some of that. But yeah, they're

1075
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 11: going to reduce that down. The challenge for them is

1076
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 11: with the international game is to make it fair.

1077
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 10: You know, how are you you know, if you do

1078
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 10: decide to play a game in Abu Dhabi, like, how

1079
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 10: do you how do you work that out?

1080
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 11: Like I I you know, it's it's going to be

1081
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 11: a difficult challenge not to make this very unfair. You know,

1082
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 11: you may have to go to two bye weeks as

1083
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 11: well to fit all that in. And that's something that

1084
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 11: they're going to have to talk about and deal with.

1085
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 10: And I'm sure they are already.

1086
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 11: Doing that, you know, with the with the thought looking

1087
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 11: ahead to to go to eighteen games.

1088
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: See, I think they'll play on Labor Day at some point,

1089
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: but John McClain, who we both know so well.

1090
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: They'll never play on Labor Day again. The audience isn't it.

1091
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: But I think they almost have to.

1092
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, and I think the audience is going to

1093
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 11: be there. Yeah, if they play the games, people are

1094
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 11: gonna watch.

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Speaker 1: Right, if you're on vacation, turn on the TV, right.

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Speaker 10: They're gonna watch absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Streaming audience, it'll all be there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How is life at Pro Football Talk?

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Speaker 2: Because you've worked at the newspaper business Pro Football Talk,

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Speaker 2: and I always have mad respect for Florio for developing

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Speaker 2: something out of thin air. I mean, I know people

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Speaker 2: don't always agree with what he says or whatever, but

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Speaker 2: he developed a platform out of thin air on a

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Speaker 2: website and now look at it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, found that niche of You know, I'm a lawyer

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Speaker 11: and I know the law really well. I know contracts

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Speaker 11: really well, and that's how it started. And yeah, kudos

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Speaker 11: to him for starting his site. And now it's least

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Speaker 11: by NBC.

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Speaker 10: So I'm actually.

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Speaker 11: Employed by NBC, which is oh fantastic, have a great

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Speaker 11: have a contract with NBC, so they pay my salary

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Speaker 11: and I answer to Mike Floria. So it's a great

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Speaker 11: setup for me and it's where i'll I plan on

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Speaker 11: retiring at Pro Football Talk and NBC. They've been really

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Speaker 11: good to me, so I think that's where I'll i'll

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Speaker 11: finish my career.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. Seren, thanks a lot for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's it with Serene Williams, and that's it

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Speaker 2: for the show tonight. Thanks so much for listening. This

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Speaker 2: show is up in podcast forms soon enough, right away

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Speaker 2: in the Odyssey app and later on on all the

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Speaker 2: podcast platforms, and tomorrow we will have the mcnairs on

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Speaker 2: the show coming up Area forty five to react to everything,

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Speaker 2: Everything under the sun and beyond. It's next year. Have

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Speaker 2: a great night, Go Texans.