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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Diddy Jelly. Apparently Shawn Colmbs.

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Speaker 2: Explodes when assassin Luigi Mangioni arrives a Diddy tantrum.

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Speaker 1: He's refusing to leave.

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Speaker 2: His cell after he hears for the first time in life,

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Speaker 2: no jailhouse guards say no to his demands. As we learn,

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Speaker 2: ditty sex trolls scoping crowds for sex victims during parties.

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Speaker 2: This as damning ditty documentaries hit the airwaves. Who's taking

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Speaker 2: notes the Feds? I'm Nancy Grease, this is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story

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Speaker 3: of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul

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Speaker 3: sits behind bars.

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Speaker 2: The real story, my rear end. The real story is

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Speaker 2: going to be told in court. But regarding those documentaries,

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Speaker 2: as I said, who's taking notes the Feds? Don't you

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Speaker 2: know They've got some intern tasked with watching every one

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Speaker 2: of these documentaries hitting the air, trolling and combing every

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Speaker 2: single word for new evidence and or witnesses. It's happening

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Speaker 2: this after they all but guarantee there are going to

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Speaker 2: be more charges.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the dogs, listen, Sean Colmes is a monster.

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Speaker 4: I want to speak about this now because I've witnessed everything.

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Speaker 5: I think Shawn Conbs can get away with anything.

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Speaker 2: That was the sentiment for many, many years that Shawn

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Speaker 2: Combs aka Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Puff aka Puffy

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Speaker 2: aka Love It goes on and on that he could

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Speaker 2: that Cassie Ventura video emerged of him beating, beating her,

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Speaker 2: chasing her down in a public hallway of a ritzy hotel.

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Speaker 1: Did defense finally finally do something? But they have?

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Speaker 2: You just saw that from Peacock's documentary special on Ditty,

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Speaker 2: The Making of a Bad Boy.

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Speaker 1: But there's more. Listen.

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Speaker 5: There were rumblings about Ditty's bad behavior for years.

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Speaker 1: Federal officers spent hours of moving firearms, computers, foxes.

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Speaker 6: And bags a massive show of force.

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Speaker 1: Cassie claimed Diddy was often violent. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things people fear. I know what's gone on, A whole lot.

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Speaker 5: Of people do.

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Speaker 1: Are we all perfect?

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Speaker 5: Nah?

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Speaker 1: It's a stunning downfall.

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Speaker 2: So I was taking notes right there about that one

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Speaker 2: female witness who she I want to know her name

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Speaker 2: and address?

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Speaker 1: And don't you know the Feds agree.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's from my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.

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Speaker 2: That documentary is called The Downfall of Didty, and that's

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Speaker 2: now streaming.

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Speaker 1: Free on TV.

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Speaker 2: Hey fans, you don't even have to buy a subscription

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Speaker 2: to see that one. Go ahead, get your legal pads

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Speaker 2: ready and start taking notes, you, federal prosecutor, interns and more.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is.

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Speaker 2: The type of indictment you would expect from someone in

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Speaker 2: the mafia.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I could keep him off the stand.

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Speaker 1: He is very eager to tell his story.

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Speaker 2: They're going to show that video over and over and

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Speaker 2: over about what happens to women that won't change their stories.

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Speaker 1: His reputation is over the United States government.

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Speaker 6: They start making this case as a takedown of a

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Speaker 6: successful black man. TMZ presents The Downfall of Ditty, the

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Speaker 2: Instead of sitting in his cell sulking and pouting and

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Speaker 2: antagonizing the guards and whining about Luigi Manngioni, the healthcare boss,

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Speaker 2: assassin getting excuse me, assassin, getting all the attention and

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Speaker 2: being crowned king of the jail cell, instead of that,

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Speaker 2: about one direction in which the defense is going again.

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Speaker 2: That was from our friend Harvey Levin. Ever at TMZ

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Speaker 2: their doc The Downfall of Diddy, and it's free on

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Speaker 2: TB FEDS.

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Speaker 1: It's free.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to pay for it as a former FED, Okay,

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Speaker 2: they give you no money all right to prosecute your case.

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Speaker 1: You can get all those witnesses names for free. So

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Speaker 1: what does this mean?

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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now from all of the documentaries.

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Speaker 1: But let's just take a peek at one more.

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Speaker 7: Disturbing video that Showshan Jiddy Coombs kicking, shoving and dragging.

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Speaker 1: His actual finds.

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Speaker 6: If she was scared of him?

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Speaker 1: I think so?

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Speaker 6: Were you scared of him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? My sense was that everybody around him he was

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Speaker 2: Afraid of Shawn Hon Yeah, why because he's explosive.

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Speaker 6: Didn's Downfall now streaming on Hulu.

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Speaker 2: And another one that's for our friends at ABC did

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Speaker 2: his Downfall nightline. Jumping in on it again with me

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Speaker 2: and All a Star Panel.

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Speaker 1: I want to go first to long.

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Speaker 2: Time investigator and now colleague colleague Chris McDonough, Director Cold

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Speaker 2: Case Research, Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, worked over

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Speaker 2: three hundred homicides.

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Speaker 1: Weren't you also vice at one point? Chris?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was, Nancy yep, okay years write that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, this is where I found him after his twenty

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Speaker 2: five year career in l E law enforcement. He is

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Speaker 2: a star of a YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris,

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Speaker 2: how hard did we have to beat the streets to

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Speaker 2: find witnesses?

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Speaker 1: Talk about a polar vortex.

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Speaker 2: I remember being out on the street, literally banging on

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Speaker 2: they could see us coming a mile away, pulling up

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Speaker 2: but we had to try. Right, the fans could just

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Speaker 2: sit back and watch all these documentaries. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Brandley, Dana Mill, I'm talking about you girl and

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Speaker 2: your podcast A Trial of Diddy. But Chris McDonough, they're

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Speaker 2: getting witnesses handed over on a silver platter with all

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Speaker 2: of these documentaries. Hey, I wonder if Diddy's getting Hulu

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Speaker 2: by bars.

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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, we talked about this on your show

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Speaker 6: multiple times. I mean, as you've been covering this case,

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Speaker 6: you know the problem here that he has, and you've

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Speaker 6: projected it that it was coming. His ego is so big,

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Speaker 6: and he's what we would call a power assertive offender

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Speaker 6: and he can't control it. But it goes to show

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Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick joining me, high profile California prosecutor, President founder

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Speaker 2: black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good. Second

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Speaker 2: book Reading People, How to understand people and predict their behavior.

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Speaker 2: I like that one. You've got so many books. I

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Speaker 2: don't have time to talk about all of them, Wendy,

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Speaker 2: but thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Wendy. What is agna Fello doing?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know Combs has added on to his

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Speaker 2: defense team, but cardinal rule and you know, here's a

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Speaker 2: Broffman fire in trouble.

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Speaker 1: I would hire him. He's a street fighter, but he

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Speaker 1: never speaks to the press. Right.

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Speaker 2: So, first thing that the elected district attorney told me

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Speaker 2: once I got my own courtroom, don't talk to the

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Speaker 2: press about your cases. He said it in a nice way,

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Speaker 2: but that's you're shooting yourself in the foot by doing

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Speaker 2: that with all these dogs. And he keeps talking, he's

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Speaker 2: giving away, he's tipping his hand.

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Speaker 1: Oh, what the defense will be?

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Speaker 4: You know, we always used to say a closed mouth

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Speaker 4: even Nancy, when you're the prosecutor and you want to

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Speaker 4: make sure that the case is tried with integrity in

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Speaker 4: careful about because everyone's looking and with much curiosity about

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Speaker 1: What could it possibly be?

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Speaker 4: If the prosecution is patterns make the predator, well, then

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Speaker 4: it's almost very difficult to try to figure out how

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Speaker 4: do you best counter all of that evidence? And like

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Speaker 4: is watch these free YouTube channels. How are you going

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Speaker 4: probably not the wisest thing to say it in public,

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Speaker 4: even though the court of public opinion unfortunately expects something

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Speaker 1: That's the balance.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I heard Agnefello blurt out, I can't

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Speaker 2: keep him off the stand.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to help out Diddy because the evidence

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Speaker 2: believe all these women or him?

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Speaker 1: Okay, but.

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Speaker 2: Putting Sean Combs on the stand would be a prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: Dream come true. Go on, Agnafello, go ahead and put

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Speaker 2: Although I don't know that Agnefello can stand up to

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Speaker 2: and the fellow's advice, that.

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Speaker 1: Said is ditty jelly.

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Speaker 2: Apparently Seawn Comb's jealous after the healthcare assassin Luigi Mangioni.

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Speaker 1: No love lost between me and Mangioni.

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Speaker 2: But that said, he's angry that Mangioni has apparently been

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Speaker 2: crowned miss Sweet Potato Queen at the MDC.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: Reports from sources inside Metropolitan Center say Diddy is furious

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Speaker 8: that alleged CEO murderer Luigi Mangioni is getting more attention

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Speaker 8: behind bars. Diddy has allegedly been throwing tantrums, claiming he

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Speaker 8: is innocent of sex trafficking, yet he continues getting so

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Speaker 8: much hate inside the lock up, while Luigi gets so

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Speaker 8: much love. Reports say, prisoners apparently love Mangioni, giving him

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Speaker 8: support and sharing their stories of losing loved ones due

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Speaker 2: Any meenie, miney moe, Which baguy do I love the most?

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening behind bars? Are you kidding? Joining me?

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Speaker 2: Reporter at large for the Dailymail dot Com, also host

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Speaker 2: of have a brand new podcast that's hitting the charts,

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Speaker 2: The Trial of Ditty Caleb Brantley.

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Speaker 1: Is this real? Actually?

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Speaker 2: At first I thought no, somebody made that up. But

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Speaker 2: I can actually see Sean Combs angry. He's not the

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Speaker 2: king of the sale block anymore.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is the crossover event of the century.

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Speaker 5: At the MDC. You have Diddy and Luigi Mangioni locked

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Speaker 5: up together. Our sources say that they haven't quite met yet,

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Speaker 5: though they do share a legal team, but that Diddy

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Speaker 5: is absolutely furious that he's been throwing tantrums and if anything,

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Speaker 5: this just goes to show his inflated ego and how

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Speaker 5: he feels. You know, he has the name Love that

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Speaker 5: he should be loved and adored. Meanwhile, Luigi allegedly shot

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Speaker 5: someone in cold blood on camera. So to Diddy, he

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Speaker 5: doesn't get it.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, you know, I am innocent.

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Speaker 5: Yet you have this guy allegedly on camera killing somebody.

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Speaker 5: How is he being revered as a hero and Diddy's

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Speaker 1: Diddy jelly what? I've never heard anything like it in

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Speaker 7: That's the word I'm hearing also. But I have to

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Speaker 7: tell you, Nancy, I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted with this whole thing.

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Speaker 7: Why why did everybody wait decades? What can you imagine

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Speaker 7: I asked why.

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Speaker 1: Now I can tell you why, Lenshaw.

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Speaker 2: I know this may be hard for a lot of

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Speaker 2: So I figured, one kiss on the lips, that's a

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Speaker 1: Hblel in, Oh, it's not right. I mean, I get it,

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Speaker 2: But Nancy, it was very much alive in me that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But Nancy, and the wake of the last couple

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Speaker 7: I don't know, victims and survivors will never ever come

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Speaker 3: Shawn Comb's unhappy with you found attention garnered by suspected

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily whispers anymore, it's full out being stated and

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Speaker 1: Ever, Luigi Mangioni, Okay, I don't care about that, but I.

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Speaker 2: Find it really interesting that he's having his sulky powdy

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Speaker 9: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Sean Diddy. Combs may be

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Speaker 9: feeling forgotten buying bars. The moguls holidays have been described

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Speaker 9: Combs missed his twins eighteenth first day, which they marked

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Speaker 9: with a casual yacht trip to Saint Bart's, and now

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Speaker 9: Combs isn't even the most high profile inmate at the MDC.

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Speaker 9: Comb's reportedly reeling over this support inmates show CEO killer

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with investigative reporter Davematt from Crime online

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Speaker 2: dot Com. He just said Combs's twins went to a

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Speaker 1: Casual? What uh okay?

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Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to special guests joining us.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at Brooklyn's MDC Metropolitan

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Speaker 1: He is the author of who Are You See It?

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Speaker 1: Say It, Seize It?

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Speaker 2: And he's got a website, guys, New day Lightfoundation dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Hendrix, thank you for joining us. There's so much

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Speaker 2: more to your CVB.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get to dandy.

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Speaker 2: I can't read three pages of all of your accomplishments,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Hendricks. Did you hear that the wardens finally told

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Speaker 2: Sean Combs the dreaded n O. They got tired of

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, doctor Hendricks.

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Speaker 10: Sources from the MDC claim Combs had a meltdown in

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Speaker 10: A panished Combs reportedly begged guards to take him to

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Speaker 10: several hours using meditation techniques to calm himself down. Observers

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Speaker 10: at recent court hearings say prison and meal refusals appear

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Speaker 10: to be taking a toll on Combs, who looks astonishingly

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Speaker 2: Again, all I can say is, of course he's thinner

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Speaker 2: cooking every meal for him. Don't you recall a PR

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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes would demand cheesecake at four am, and get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was just a tiny example. Of course,

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Speaker 2: He's having to eat three regular meals like the rest

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Speaker 2: and boohoo, killer Brantley, his gray is showing.

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Speaker 1: That's because he's not having a weekly touch up with

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Speaker 1: about that? Kila?

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, He's innocent until proven guilty, So no, you

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Speaker 2: But I like you, and I respect your podcasts, and

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Speaker 2: I respect how much work and research you put into

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Speaker 2: every single article, podcast appearance. But I didn't ask you that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it goes without saying Sean Comes is presumed

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Speaker 2: he is innocent, not just presumed, he is innocent until

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Speaker 2: What is a reasonable doubt, calib Brantley. It is not

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Speaker 2: a mathematical certainty such as two and two equals four,

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Speaker 2: But it is not an improbability. It is a probability,

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing the state has to avoid. So

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Speaker 1: of course he's in a cent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 2: I ask you, why are people making a big deal

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's just so much attention on this case,

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Speaker 1: Dait a minute, wait wa, whoa whoa, whoa whoa? Hold on, little.

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Speaker 2: Girl, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I do not call steak on

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Speaker 2: a bun sub par. It's not tony, somebody would give

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Speaker 1: What about it, Hendricks?

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Speaker 11: Well, apparently they must have run out of cheesesteaks. But

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 11: There's a there's an old saying in prison, if you

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Speaker 11: mind your own you live long. So he needs to

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Speaker 11: stop worrying about Luigi MAGNGIONI gets focused on his particular

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Speaker 11: be served these additional lawsuits, and it's not going to

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Speaker 11: But he needs to get focused on what he needs

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Speaker 11: But the more he acts up, the more he panders,

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Speaker 2: The future, and you know what's interesting, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix

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Speaker 9: In addition into refusing meals, there are reports that Sean

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Speaker 3: Didy's latest court hearing reveals the rapper appearing thinner and

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Speaker 1: Boohoo, no private chef.

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Speaker 2: Back to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at NDC

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Speaker 2: Metropolitan Detention Center where Comb's is housed, and to his chagrin,

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Speaker 1: Who many people are saying he's a new.

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Speaker 2: Hot fello and blah blah. Okay, back to you, doctor Hendrix.

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Speaker 2: There is a certain honor among thieves, let me just

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Speaker 2: put it ephemistically, where inmates stick together unless they're offered

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Speaker 2: wonder when Combs first came whether the inmates were starstruck. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a multi multi millionaire, some people claim

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Speaker 2: the honeymoon is over, and his constant antics and whining,

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Speaker 2: on everyone around you. What about it, doctor Hendrix.

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Speaker 11: You're absolutely correct, And in terms of inmates being starstruck,

440
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Speaker 11: may have lasted five minutes, because after that, it makes

441
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Speaker 11: me give a rat's nostril about your status other than

442
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 11: the fact that what they can get out of you.

443
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Speaker 11: So unfortunately, he'll probably be extorted at some point if

444
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Speaker 11: he's not already, and if he's causing any issues or concerns.

445
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 11: You know, sometimes they'll ask the staff to get them

446
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Speaker 11: off the unit, or they'll they'll say, hey, he's got

447
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Speaker 11: to go, or something may happen to him. So he

448
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 11: right now, I'm assuming he's probably in the unit with

449
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Speaker 11: inmates that are probably not violent in nature. But at

450
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Speaker 11: some point, if he is convicted of his crimes and

451
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Speaker 11: he goes to a prison, if he carries his behavior

452
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Speaker 11: with him where he may end up going, he's going

453
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Speaker 11: to have a really hard time surviving because again, if

454
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Speaker 11: he's convicted, these victims will receive a large payout, and

455
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Speaker 11: I don't know how much money he'll have left over

456
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Speaker 11: to pay for protection because he's not getting affiliated or

457
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Speaker 11: anything like that. Because again, he's painting himself as a

458
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 11: CEO and as someone as a businessman. So he's going

459
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 11: to have to pick his path, and right now, the

460
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 11: way he's behaving is not going to look very well

461
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Speaker 11: for him in the future.

462
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Speaker 2: You know, you said something earlier, doctor Hendrix about his

463
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Speaker 2: refusing to come out of a sell and sulking in

464
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: there as being a delay tactic so he can't get

465
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Speaker 2: served lawsuits on other cases that are mounting.

466
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Speaker 1: How do you do that behind bars? I mean, can't

467
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Speaker 1: they just hand you the documents in your jail cell.

468
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Speaker 11: No, nat See, each state has rules on process serving

469
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Speaker 11: and as far as in the prison setting, as long

470
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Speaker 11: as the process service follows the rules for visitation of

471
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Speaker 11: the institution, there's no inmates they can refuse to come

472
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Speaker 11: to a visit, whether it's his family, friends, or associates,

473
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Speaker 11: so he does not have to leave his unit to

474
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Speaker 11: come down to the visiting room. However, once the process

475
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Speaker 11: servers have done all that they can can do and

476
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 11: they went through that process, obviously, we know he has

477
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 11: a team of attorneys retained, so at this point they're

478
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 11: probably going to serve his legal team, and I think

479
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 11: that's I know this to be a little bit of

480
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 11: a delay in terms of the process of the lawsuits,

481
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 11: but at some point his legal team will be served

482
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 11: these papers, and this uh, these losses will move forward

483
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 11: without him officially being served. Behind bars.

484
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story

485
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul

486
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: sits behind bars.

487
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: When Diddy Sean Combe's Puff Daddy Puff Love was first

488
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: arrested and the federal indictment was revealed, we all discussed

489
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: the possibility that cohorts aka friends would have the choice

490
00:27:53,680 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: to either turn co defendant witness, unnamed conspirator. Well, it's

491
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: all come true.

492
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Speaker 1: Listen.

493
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Speaker 10: As many predicted, it appears Sean Comb's inner circle is

494
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 10: turning against him. An upcoming Peacock documentary, The Making of

495
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 10: a Bad Boy, a former makeup artist, intern bodyguard, and

496
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 10: both childhood and industry friends are recounting Ditty's eyebrow raising behavior.

497
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 10: Many of the associates interviewed for the doc chose to

498
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 10: remain anonymous, including a man who claims underage women were

499
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 10: frequently in attendance at parties where red lights came on

500
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 10: to indicate sex was happening.

501
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute.

502
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: Caleb Brandley joining me, investigative reporter at large with the

503
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: biggest website apparently in the world, dailymail dot Com, and

504
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: star of the Trial of Ditty podcast Kill Again.

505
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What everybody knew? I

506
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: hated that when I.

507
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Would be working up a case and I'd be talking

508
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: to the witness and then say, well, everybody knows. Everybody

509
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: knows is not admissible in court. Just because everybody knows

510
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't.

511
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I can bring it in front of a jury.

512
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: But what is this.

513
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that when Sean Combs would turn on a

514
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: red light, he was having sex and to stay away.

515
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 5: Nancy. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say

516
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: it many times again. This was all an open secret

517
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: in Hollywood. You hear everyone coming out saying, oh, yeah,

518
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: Diddy's parties were crazy, and they used to say it

519
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 5: at the time. You know, there are videos that have

520
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: come up of people saying, oh, you know what happens

521
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: at Diddy parties. So it was all there in front

522
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: of us. It's just now when there's finally an indictment

523
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: that it's coming in the legal form. So like you're

524
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: seeing in these documentaries, they are with unidentified people. One

525
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 5: woman she said that they said they could ship me

526
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: off and sell me to anyone. And then you have

527
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: this other unidentified man coming forward saying if the red

528
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 5: light's on, that means their sex happening with Ditty and

529
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: there are underage girls. So again, if these claims are true,

530
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 5: did he did not act a.

531
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Speaker 2: Lot crime stories with Nancy Grace?

532
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I am telling you what.

533
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick, prosecutor, author star of Today with Doctor Wendy

534
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: KCBQ San Diego, Wendy, I know a lot of people

535
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: have a prurient interest in what we're talking about. I

536
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 2: see it all as evidence. I can't help it. That's

537
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: how I'm programmed. Now, what jar that has a daughter,

538
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: a sister, a granddaughter, a wife is going to sit

539
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: by and hear evidence that Diddy would actually turn on

540
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: a red light for people to say to see to

541
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: warn them away that he was having sex purportedly with

542
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Speaker 2: a minor.

543
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm flabbergasted.

544
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, Nancy, this is going to be the

545
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 12: brutal reality of finally moving this very sordid tale into

546
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 12: a court of law instead of trying it in the

547
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 12: court of public opinion.

548
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: And when you talk about the reality of how modern jurors,

549
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: regardless of who they are, they know someone whether it's

550
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: a family member, a friend, a coworker, who they worry

551
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: might be victimized in this fashion who they worry might

552
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: have been, because this is another illustration of safety in

553
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: numbers only. When the dominoes began to fall, much like

554
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein and others at the beginning of the revival

555
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: of the Me Too movement in twenty seventeen. Only when

556
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: others began coming forward were we exposed to what was

557
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: really going on in this glamorized subculture. We'll call it

558
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: that because there's wilful blindness, no doubt among some of

559
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: is we'll call them unindicted co conspirators that they saw

560
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: it and did nothing. But anybody that might have witnessed

561
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: what in retrospect they should have known or did know

562
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: was just brutally illegal exploitive conduct of minors. All of

563
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: that is going to come to light in a court

564
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: of law. And you know, as far as the antics

565
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: behind bars right now, all that that's going to be

566
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: is a distraction. We want jers in that courtroom to

567
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: hear from people that were there, who knew, who saw,

568
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: and that's going to be very explosive. And you know,

569
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: the trial's coming up in May, so we're going to

570
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: have to wait till then to see who does come forward.

571
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: But yes, it is not going to be pretty when

572
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: this all shakes out in a court of law.

573
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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw, Founder executive director Lynn's Warriors. Lynn, that is

574
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: so brazen, if true, that Combs would actually turn on

575
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: a red light visible from the outside of the bedroom

576
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: to warm people he was having underage sex and to

577
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: not come in.

578
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Speaker 1: Just imagine it.

579
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a teen girl and a teen

580
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: boy who I believe anyway are innocence. Okay, imagine sitting

581
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 2: on a jury. I mean, it's making my blood boil

582
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: just thinking.

583
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: About the brazen nature of warning everybody don't come in,

584
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and they all just stood by and let it hoppen. Limb.

585
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 7: Everybody's blood should be boiling with this spoiled bad boy.

586
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 7: I mean, after all, he called his company bad Boy Entertainment.

587
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 7: He told us who he was and is, and you

588
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 7: know what distraction? Distraction distraction with these.

589
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: I will come out of my cell.

590
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 7: I don't want the peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I

591
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 7: want to remind everybody January is National Human Trafficking Awareness

592
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 7: and Prevention Month. Let's really talk about that. Let's really

593
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 7: talk about the kids, Let's really talk about the education there.

594
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 7: Maybe how if we can root out behind the scenes

595
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 7: the miners, the women that were involved in this and

596
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 7: protect them so they will talk, we can have some

597
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 7: lessons learned from this whole thing. This cannot continue.

598
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 13: Philip Pines, a former personal wacky for Sean Comb's claims,

599
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 13: in lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up for

600
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 13: Wild King Knights at hotels, which involved bringing red lights,

601
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 13: ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, joints, honey packs for male libido,

602
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 13: baby oil, astro glide, towels, illegal drugs, and powered sex

603
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 13: toys to Combs's room for sometimes days long escapades. Pines

604
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 13: says he was expected to be on call for any

605
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 13: additional needs during the exploits, and Combs even pressured him

606
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 13: to join afterwards. Pines was charged with cleaning up the mess,

607
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 13: deleting any incriminating photos or video from Combs's devices, and

608
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 13: leaving hotel staff large tips to avoid paying extra bills

609
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 13: for damages.

610
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh my stars, I am my investigator.

611
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Ernest would be all over this guy, Like, why on

612
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: rice did you hear that?

613
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Kileibrowley dailymail dot com.

614
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: Philip Pines, who worked directly with Combs, claims and a

615
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up Wild King

616
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Nights at hotels bringing the red lights.

617
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: That must be where this information is coming from?

618
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: About the red lights, ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, honey packs

619
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: for men to keep an erection, baby oil, astro glide, towels, drugs, sex, toys.

620
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: He would be on call throughout for this isn't the

621
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: right word sex parties. I don't think all the women

622
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: thought it was a.

623
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: Party that would last for days.

624
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: Then he would have to clean up and tip everybody

625
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: at the hotel to avoid extra bills for all the damage.

626
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'd put this guy under lock and.

627
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: Key, I do whatever I had to do to get

628
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: him on deposition, you name it, so he can't get

629
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: out of his testimony or face charges of perjury.

630
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: Is this completely in line with everything else we've been

631
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 5: hearing these very orchestrated parties, That it took a lot

632
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: of planning, a lot of baby oil which was found

633
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: at his home, and took a lot of people to

634
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: really get this going. And then not only was it

635
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 5: the prep, there were people during the parties that were

636
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: on call, and then even the people after to make

637
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: sure things were cleaned up, which makes everything look again

638
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 5: like an orchestrated experience. And you have people getting Ditty's

639
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 5: phone to delete anything incriminating, so again with knowledge that

640
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 5: this was an illegal act or at least very damaging

641
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 5: to his reputation, to delete any evidence. So again this

642
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: shows that this was not just didty acting alone, that

643
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 5: it was an orchestrated process.

644
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Well, there's more, all of these people now speaking out

645
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: in various lawsuits in these documentaries, And what about allegations

646
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: that Combs would actually hire party sex trolls to scope

647
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: out under age victims.

648
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 9: Listen, Sean Ditty Combs reportedly hired a team of men

649
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 9: to patrol his parties for possible hookups for the mogul.

650
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 9: A woman only identified as Lisa say she was separated

651
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 9: from her music exec husband speaking with a friend at

652
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 9: a two thousand and four Ditty White party when a

653
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 9: man approached the women inviting them to hang out with

654
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 9: Combs after the event. When the man said it would

655
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 9: be intimate time, Lisa got a bad feeling and refused,

656
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 9: but her friend did attend. Afterwards, she refused to speak

657
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Speaker 9: about the experience, only saying she should not have gone.

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonough joining me, not only former homicide detective three

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Speaker 1: hundred homicides under his belt, but former vice Chris McDonough.

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Speaker 1: These documentaries and.

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Speaker 2: These lawsuits are handing over witnesses to the Feds on

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Speaker 2: a silver platter on top of the Christmas tree for

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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, And what is boggling to me is that

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Speaker 2: people stood by and let this happen. You know, you've

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Speaker 2: got party sextuals going out and trying to rope in

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Speaker 2: women to have intimate time with Sean Combs. After the

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Speaker 2: party in chief, you have a hitch person paying off

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Speaker 2: hotel security and cleaning up and deleting incriminating cell video.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know what, as I've told the twins,

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Speaker 2: you smell a joint, you leave.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Why can people stand by and let this happen to victims?

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Speaker 6: You know, that's a great question, Nancy. But what it's

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Speaker 6: revealing is as these individuals start to roll on him

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Speaker 6: the signature that he utilized, i e. Power control, you know,

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Speaker 6: that assertiveness. Remember, his goal through this whole situation has

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Speaker 6: always been about leaving trauma and physical and emotional abuse

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Speaker 6: to his victim. Homology here, this guy could care less

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Speaker 6: about women, about children. And as these individuals roll, like

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Speaker 6: doctor Hendrick said a little bit ago, he has to

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Speaker 6: be very careful because you started adding the dynamics of

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Speaker 6: pedophilia into this play, There's going to be a lot

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Speaker 6: of guys loading socks with you know, soap in the

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Speaker 6: jail system. That will give him something else to think about. Schoel.

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Speaker 6: He's on very very thin ice. As this goes forward,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 2: Karen start joining me, high profile psychologists joining us from Manhattan. Today, Karen,

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Speaker 2: I've put many a witness on the stand, and.

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Speaker 1: I just had a hole my nose.

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Speaker 2: You know, all the witnesses are not going to be

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Speaker 2: nuns and priests and virgins, as you've heard me say

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Speaker 2: a million times, but witnesses that were there that stood

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Speaker 2: by and did nothing when this was happening. You know, sometimes, Karen,

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Speaker 2: you got to go to hell to get the witness

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Speaker 2: to put the devil in jail.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening right here.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, they're going to have to use people who participate

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Speaker 14: in Nancy, But it really does show you the power

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Speaker 14: that this guy had, his ability, the narcissism, that he

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Speaker 14: was able to break the law to do things and

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Speaker 14: get people to do these things for him. So many

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Speaker 14: people were terrified of his power and what the repercussions

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Speaker 14: would be.

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Speaker 6: And so yeah, they're going to.

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Speaker 14: Have to get a lot of people who participated, But

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Speaker 14: I get it because he was so strong and powerful.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,