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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Hey, it's hour two on this Thursday. Once again,
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm trapped in a thirty for thirty.
Speaker 1: Everything that happened yesterday, last night, and now this morning,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and the Patriots parting ways. They'll have a
Speaker 1: press conference with Belichick and Robert Kraft coming up at
Speaker 1: noon Eastern. Nick Saban yesterday, also Pete Carroll yesterday. I
Speaker 1: thought Mike Brabel and the Titans parting ways was a
Speaker 1: big deal. That was That was just the appetizer here.
Speaker 1: Now we got to an entree, and then another entree,
Speaker 1: and another entree. Welcome to the program. We say, good morning.
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Speaker 1: to those coming up. A lot of people have a
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on everything that happened yesterday and so
Speaker 1: far today eight seven to seven three DP show Seaton
Speaker 1: Poll question from hour one and then what.
Speaker 2: Are we gonna go with an hour two? Dan hour one?
Speaker 2: We put up there.
Speaker 3: We have who we'll have a better season next year, Alabama,
Speaker 3: the Patriots or the Seahawks. Sixty seven percent of the
Speaker 3: audience say Alabama, followed by the Seahawks. Oh, not a
Speaker 3: lot of the Patriots rebounding next year?
Speaker 2: New coach Bump. Okay, that's not great. What are we
Speaker 2: gonna go with the hour two? We're gonna throw up there?
Speaker 3: Harder to replace Bill Belichick or Nick Staban? Is that
Speaker 3: too much of a landslide for Nick Saban?
Speaker 2: I would think so, yeah, I would think so, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll go back to who do we want to have
Speaker 2: it here?
Speaker 3: With the Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll or Nick Savid.
Speaker 2: That one's probably a lot closer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that one, you know, because people think I
Speaker 1: get a couple of beers in Bill and maybe he's
Speaker 1: gonna open up a little bit, start dishing on some things.
Speaker 2: Pete.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Pete would be fun, But I think
Speaker 1: Nick Saban might be sneaky great with something like that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see we'll get phone calls. Gary Danielson.
Speaker 1: Gary Danielson has called over five hundred college games, including
Speaker 1: one hundred of Nick sabins. He'll join us, the longtime
Speaker 1: voice of the sec on CBS, former quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up. Also Tom Pelsero, the insider
Speaker 1: for NFL Network. Sort Of the coaching carousel got stopped
Speaker 1: and then spun in a different direction. With Mike Rabel
Speaker 1: now available. Pete Carroll I think still wants to coach.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears situation is really interesting to me for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. You have Matt Eberflus who had
Speaker 1: to fire his quarterbacks coach an offensive coordinator. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're going to do that, what coach is going to
Speaker 1: want to come in as your offensive coordinator knowing that
Speaker 1: you might be fired the following year. Therefore, you're going
Speaker 1: in there and then you may be shown the door
Speaker 1: because the coaching staff would be fired. Unless you are
Speaker 1: going to have Matt Eberflus, You're going to bring in
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator and a new quarterbacks coach because
Speaker 1: you're taking Caleb Williams. And if I'm Matt Eberflus, if
Speaker 1: I can hold on and get another couple of years
Speaker 1: here and now I have a different quarterback. But you'll
Speaker 1: have to extend Matt Eberflus. You have to give him
Speaker 1: a contract extension because if not, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a lane duck coach and you're going to bring in
Speaker 1: a coaching staff or at least offensive coordinator. Why would
Speaker 1: I take that job if I'm not even sure if
Speaker 1: the coach is going to be there, and if you're
Speaker 1: going to bring in Caleb Williams, because if you don't,
Speaker 1: and now you're bringing in another offensive coordinator quarterbacks coach
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields and that's not fair to him. And
Speaker 1: this is the first time I thought, Okay, maybe they
Speaker 1: are moving off Justin Fields and they are going to
Speaker 1: take Caleb Williams or Drake May, but they're going to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback because I have to extend the coach
Speaker 1: and then I have to bring in an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and a quarterbacks coach and have those contracts. You know,
Speaker 1: let's sync up there, or why would you take the job?
Speaker 1: That coach is going to be a lame duck coach.
Speaker 1: So I'm expecting the Bears, if they're not moving on
Speaker 1: from him, that they're going to extend him, and that
Speaker 1: the Bears were probably going to move on from Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: And I didn't get that feeling a week ago, but
Speaker 1: I did yesterday. Yeah, kind of interesting. All right, so
Speaker 1: we have our poll question and we'll get phone calls.
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Speaker 1: Gary Danielson on the golf course, and we appreciate him
Speaker 1: taking time out from his great golf game.
Speaker 2: I'm sure what hole are you on? Gary?
Speaker 4: Yes? Dan fact, then really, I'm not to be accurate.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking time out. I'm actually doing playing. But
Speaker 4: we are thirteen. We usually start about seven thirty and
Speaker 4: we play really fast.
Speaker 1: Okay, how surprised were you with the Nick Saban news?
Speaker 4: Well, college football is different. You know, you cannot give
Speaker 4: anybody any heads up about what's going on. If you
Speaker 4: even hint that you know you might have one two
Speaker 4: years left and you're thinking about it, you'll get killed
Speaker 4: and recruiting. So I knew whenever Nick decided to do it,
Speaker 4: it would be a surprise or very few people would
Speaker 4: know about it. I don't even think a staff will
Speaker 4: about it. So it was going to be one of
Speaker 4: those days and two or three o'clock there was just
Speaker 4: going to be an announcement and then it was going
Speaker 4: to happen. And I think it was going to happen. Now, No,
Speaker 4: didn't didn't realize that there is a bit of a transition.
Speaker 4: I think for his football team. I think he was
Speaker 4: really proud of the way this this last team played
Speaker 4: and the job he did. So, you know, I guess
Speaker 4: it kind of makes sense. I think I think he
Speaker 4: and Bill and Nick are all the same age. They're
Speaker 4: seventy two years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it feels like Pete Carroll still wants to coach,
Speaker 1: Belichick still wants to coach. I think I think college football,
Speaker 1: today's college football probably sped up the retirement for Nick Saban.
Speaker 1: I think nil and transfer portal now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: college football you have less control than you do as
Speaker 1: an NFL head coach.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good observation. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: the way that Nick has always built his program is
Speaker 4: obviously recruited great players. I think he was one of
Speaker 4: the you know, the people that really saw the future
Speaker 4: even when he was at Michigan State. When he took
Speaker 4: the job at LSU, he realized he had to be
Speaker 4: at a place to recruit the best to win. So
Speaker 4: I think as he's looked now at his age, is
Speaker 4: a a little more frustrating for these coaches. I can
Speaker 4: see that. You know, it sure is different. I've heard
Speaker 4: stories now from coaches and when you walk into a
Speaker 4: recruits room, before you say anything about what type of
Speaker 4: offense you're playing, they want to know, let's get right
Speaker 4: down to it. How much am I going to get?
Speaker 4: And I think nil really doesn't explain the process. I
Speaker 4: don't think it's nil. I actually think it's paid to play.
Speaker 1: The importance of Saban to the success of the SEC.
Speaker 2: How do you quantify that?
Speaker 4: I think it's immeasurable. The fact that he left Michigan
Speaker 4: State and went to LSU. I think he saw kind
Speaker 4: of the future. I think the demographics of the Midwest changed.
Speaker 4: I think Nick was a bit frustrated that any realized
Speaker 4: to be at the right school in a state where
Speaker 4: he could control recruiting. You know, the way Ohio State
Speaker 4: and coach at Ohio State, he was at Michigan State.
Speaker 4: You know that's an interesting job. Michigan State. You're right
Speaker 4: there in the middle of the state, and the players
Speaker 4: are south of you. And three of the most famous
Speaker 4: schools in college football are just south of you, Notre Dame,
Speaker 4: Michigan and Ohio State. So and everybody was shocked. But
Speaker 4: I think Nick Saban's he saw the feature he went
Speaker 4: to Michigan State. I think he got a couple of
Speaker 4: breaks in his career though one his staff did not
Speaker 4: go to Michigan State, and I think he used that
Speaker 4: very widely to hire you know, the Will Musk Champs
Speaker 4: and the Jimbo Fishers, you know, really hungry, good young
Speaker 4: coaches that recruited well. And the other break I think was,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know how his NFL career were
Speaker 4: to gone, but I don't know if he goes to Alabama,
Speaker 4: if Drew Brees goes to Miami Dolphins. So you know,
Speaker 4: these things work out. But Nick is very driven. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've done five hundred televised games, and I think a
Speaker 4: hundred of them have been with Nick Saban and I personally,
Speaker 4: you know, I prepare for the meetings, I go to practice.
Speaker 4: I think if he does not respect that, you're prepared
Speaker 4: and understand at least, he doesn't expect you to know everything,
Speaker 4: but he expects you to work hard for the game,
Speaker 4: just like he expects his entire organization to work hard.
Speaker 4: And I think he's got I think he understands athletes too.
Speaker 4: You know, they want a coach that can help them win,
Speaker 4: and they want a coach that can help them get
Speaker 4: to the next level, whether it's a high school coach,
Speaker 4: a college coach, or obviously in the pros. They want
Speaker 4: to get the next level is to make more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I saw sort of a parallel with what
Speaker 1: John Caliperry's tried to do at Kentucky, that he's preparing
Speaker 1: you for that next job going into the NBA. He
Speaker 1: just hasn't been as successful as Nick Saban. But Saban
Speaker 1: could keep a lot of those players for three years,
Speaker 1: maybe four years then, and I on transfer Portal kind
Speaker 1: of happened upon us. When you're in the production meeting
Speaker 1: with Saban. How much would he share with you?
Speaker 4: I never asked him to share any strategy. I just
Speaker 4: don't feel that that is a fair question to ask
Speaker 4: a coach. I really never wanted to know, you know,
Speaker 4: what your chip plays or anything like that. I more,
Speaker 4: I would let him know that I've watched the tape,
Speaker 4: not by telling him, but on my question. I would
Speaker 4: ask him pointed questions about things that happened last game,
Speaker 4: things that I've seen the other team do, what changes
Speaker 4: or what players he feels need to play better. Nick
Speaker 4: was never Nick was very good to us. You know,
Speaker 4: he liked Vern a lot. You know, I did ninety
Speaker 4: SEC games with Nick Saber and you know most of
Speaker 4: those obviously the last five years with Brad Nessler, a
Speaker 4: lot of them with Vern. He likes both of them.
Speaker 4: So he likes to talk, which you never really Yeah,
Speaker 4: at least I didn't. You know, maybe he was different
Speaker 4: with Todd or Kirk, but with me. I never. I
Speaker 4: just didn't feel that that was me to go, you know,
Speaker 4: what's your trick plays this week. It's just not that
Speaker 4: how I approached it. I think you had to read
Speaker 4: between the lines of what he was saying and how
Speaker 4: excited he was about his team, and that worked best
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 2: Who would you recommend to replace Nick soon? Well?
Speaker 4: I think the names that are out there are all
Speaker 4: good names, you know, I mean, you know, Dan Lanning
Speaker 4: would be a really good normal would be a really
Speaker 4: good choice. I mean, obviously, you know there's the connections
Speaker 4: with Lane. Those all make sense to me. You know,
Speaker 4: the person that has to have a really strong personality
Speaker 4: to go in there because obviously they're following, you know,
Speaker 4: the greatest.
Speaker 5: Ever.
Speaker 4: It's not an easy job for anybody because you know
Speaker 4: this the measurements at Ohio State or you know, when
Speaker 4: we're talking about it's win them all, win them all,
Speaker 4: it's not a great year. So you know, that's that's
Speaker 4: one of the things I really talked about a lot
Speaker 4: when I did Alabama games for all those years. Not
Speaker 4: only did they have really good players, obviously they were
Speaker 4: well coached, but they were clutch. They played clutch football
Speaker 4: with the pressure on. They won a lot of games
Speaker 4: when there were a lot of things going against them,
Speaker 4: big LSU games. You know, the only really lost I
Speaker 4: think one SEC championship game and that was the Florida
Speaker 4: But I always gave him a lot of credit. You know,
Speaker 4: he always talked to his players. You know, he's an
Speaker 4: next quarterback. He always talked to his players that you know,
Speaker 4: we got to be disciplined, but you got to let
Speaker 4: it go. You gotta, you know, And I think they
Speaker 4: bought into that, and I was always when I watched
Speaker 4: them play, I really thought it's demanding. As Nick was
Speaker 4: at practice, I think he was, of course, he was
Speaker 4: fiery up the sidelines, but I think he was understanding
Speaker 4: that in the game you got to play a little
Speaker 4: bit loose. Disciplined, yes, but a little bit loose, if
Speaker 4: that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you. Back to your golf game.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Gary.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Ded, I'm thirteenth old. I've already hit two
Speaker 4: all of them. Been talking to him nice and smooth.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Thanks for calling.
Speaker 2: Thank buddy.
Speaker 1: That's Gary Daniels in a long time voice analyst SEC
Speaker 1: on CBS. A couple of phone calls in here. Dean
Speaker 1: in Dallas, Hi Dean, what's on your mind today? Hey Dean,
Speaker 1: Thanks Dean.
Speaker 2: Doug in North Carolina, Hi Doug, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: Well, Dan, I'm having a battle between my inner child
Speaker 6: and my educated adult that I've become in front of me.
Speaker 6: I have the numbers for Bear Bryant and Nick Saban
Speaker 6: Gerry Daniel Danielson just called Saban the best ever. Both
Speaker 6: of these guys won six national championships with Alabama Bear
Speaker 6: was there longer, obviously, but Nick has a better winning percentage.
Speaker 6: So my question is who's the best in Alabama history?
Speaker 1: Oh, I would say Nick Saban because Bear Bryant did
Speaker 1: most of had most of his success without integration. I
Speaker 1: think when USC played Alabama and Bear Bryant saw what
Speaker 1: Sam Dbam Cunningham was doing for USC, he decided that
Speaker 1: he was going to recruit African Americans, and so I
Speaker 1: would say that that has to play a little bit
Speaker 1: of a role like eateolfh Rupp as well at Kentucky.
Speaker 1: But I would say Nick Saban to do what he's
Speaker 1: doing today. You know, it's like John Wooden. John wouldn't
Speaker 1: wouldn't be John Wooden today. He's still a great coach,
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't have ten titles in twelve years. Red
Speaker 1: Hrbach wouldn't have that with the Boston Celtics. It just
Speaker 1: but they did it when they did it against the
Speaker 1: competition that you know they were playing.
Speaker 2: But you know things have changed.
Speaker 1: More teams, better teams, better athletes, better coaches, and more money.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else do we have here? Jesse and Colorado. Hey, Jess,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a question for you guys. Thanks for
Speaker 8: taking my call. But I know his previous stints as
Speaker 8: a head coach weren't the greatest, But what are the
Speaker 8: chances of McDaniel's taking over for the Patriots job.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a head coach. I mean I've
Speaker 1: said that before, Jesse. I just there are certain guys
Speaker 1: who were great at being a coordinator, and I think
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels is one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Being a head coach is just different.
Speaker 1: You got to be all things to all people, and
Speaker 1: you can't just be this is my little group here.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that with Belichick's coaching tree. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who were really good at one thing,
Speaker 1: but being a head coach it is difficult. Bill Belichick's
Speaker 1: personality is that of a defensive coordinator, not as a
Speaker 1: head coach. But he gets away with it. He got
Speaker 1: away with it because they were successful. But I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they hire Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be my choice. Mike Rabel would be my choice.
Speaker 1: Or drawd Mayo if you want to promote from within.
Speaker 1: This guy coming up next, Tom pelserro the NFL Network
Speaker 1: will join us. He'll have some thoughts on that, And
Speaker 1: what's this mean for the coaching carousel that Rabel's now
Speaker 1: available and Pete Carroll is available.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many.
Speaker 1: Teams are gonna like if you're in a rebuild and
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll at seventy two. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: teams are going to do that. But we'll talk to
Speaker 1: and get his thoughts on that. Coming up next Dan
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk to Tom Pelco, NFL network insider,
Speaker 1: get his thoughts on this coaching carousel that got a
Speaker 1: couple of new participants yesterday with Bill Belichick. We expected
Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll was a little bit of a surprise.
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel maybe a little bit of a surprise as well.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk to Tom coming up here in a moment.
Speaker 1: Let me get another phone call in here Billy and Nashville.
Speaker 4: Hi, Billy, Hey Dan, Hey guys, how's it going on? Great?
Speaker 10: I know Belichick wants to coach, and he'll be good
Speaker 10: anywhere he goes. But this is a chance for the
Speaker 10: NFL to fix their coaching problem. I'm sorry they're officiating problem,
Speaker 10: because who better than Bill Belichick who become the guy
Speaker 10: who trains and certifies NFL officiating.
Speaker 1: Cruisey, that sounds like a miserable job. Though Billy Belichick
Speaker 1: still wants to coach, he wants to surpass Don Shula's
Speaker 1: all time record. The question is, and according to DraftKings,
Speaker 1: the best odds right now, the top odds for where
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick will coach Week one the LA Chargers. Man,
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. It just feels like that's
Speaker 1: Harbaugh going back West Coast. Then it's the Falcons. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I see that Commanders. And then
Speaker 1: the fourth best odds are not a head coach of
Speaker 1: any NFL team?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul? Could the Falcons bring in the guy who
Speaker 2: did what he did to I know that's what I
Speaker 2: was thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say the phrase.
Speaker 2: Twenty eighty three.
Speaker 1: Tom Pelsero, NFL Network insider. He's been busy. You can,
Speaker 1: by the way, you can see the Dolphins chief Saturday
Speaker 1: at eight eastern exclusively on Peacock as we make way
Speaker 1: for Tom right, let's start with Belichick here. He does
Speaker 1: want to coach, Where do you think is the best
Speaker 1: fit for Bill Belichick?
Speaker 11: I would tell you this, Dan, with Bill Belichick, He's
Speaker 11: been aware for months that potentially things would be coming
Speaker 11: to an end in New England, and so without you know,
Speaker 11: making a lot of direct contact teams, he's back channeled
Speaker 11: things and gotten a pretty good understanding of, you know,
Speaker 11: what potentially his options might be. I would tell you
Speaker 11: there's been a lot of discussion about the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 11: I would say that is one possibility, But there are
Speaker 11: also possibilities that there are teams that maybe are still
Speaker 11: in the playoffs, teams that do employ head coaches, maybe
Speaker 11: teams that weren't thinking about making a change, but for
Speaker 11: the availability of arguably the greatest coach in NFL history
Speaker 11: suddenly coming to the forefront here. In other words, if
Speaker 11: you're any team that feels like, you know, we've got
Speaker 11: a good coach, but we may not have a great coach,
Speaker 11: why would you not have a conversation right now about
Speaker 11: Bill Belichick. You know, there's delicate pieces of this. There
Speaker 11: are rules regarding interview processes and whatnot. I think that
Speaker 11: for Bill Belichick it always made sense, even though we're
Speaker 11: going to get a press conference today and this has
Speaker 11: been finalized to Bill Belichick and the Patriots or partying ways,
Speaker 11: it has always made sense for Bill Belichick to wait
Speaker 11: and see what happens in the first, maybe even the
Speaker 11: second round of the playoffs and see maybe where there's
Speaker 11: some other teams that are a little further along that
Speaker 11: may not be as much of a build for him,
Speaker 11: that might end up potentially becoming options.
Speaker 1: Okay, are we hinting at the Cowboys here, Tom, We're
Speaker 1: hinting at any team that might believe, after you get
Speaker 1: into the playoffs here that maybe you could upgrade of
Speaker 1: going to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 11: Listen, it's got to be a pretty specific type of team,
Speaker 11: right And that's on multiple fronts. Bill Belichick is not
Speaker 11: going to take over a total rebuild. He's seventy two
Speaker 11: years old. As much as he's done that in a
Speaker 11: place like New England that was a quarter century ago,
Speaker 11: Bill Belichick is not sitting there going all right, I
Speaker 11: got five years to build something elsewhere. If he's going
Speaker 11: to go, he's got to think we've got enough pieces
Speaker 11: on the roster that I can get this thing rolling
Speaker 11: and get it rolling quickly. It's also got to be
Speaker 11: the right ownership, the right structure. If you've got a
Speaker 11: team that has a hyper involved owner, or you've got
Speaker 11: a team that is going to put in place layers
Speaker 11: of other people above Bill, people that can tell Bill
Speaker 11: how to do his job. That's not really going to
Speaker 11: be a fit for him either. For instance, I know
Speaker 11: that there's been a lot of rumors in speculation about
Speaker 11: the Washington Commanders. I do not see that being a
Speaker 11: fit for Bill Belichick. For all the reasons I just mentioned.
Speaker 11: They're going to hire a president of football operations. They
Speaker 11: do have a little bit further to go on the roster,
Speaker 11: even though they got a lot of capital to do it.
Speaker 11: In place like Atlanta that's got a much improved defense
Speaker 11: that's invested on that side of the ball, that does
Speaker 11: have players at the skill spots, they still need a quarterback.
Speaker 11: That's a lot further along here. And again, there's some
Speaker 11: places right now that have head coaches in place that
Speaker 11: may be based upon upcoming results or maybe how the
Speaker 11: season ended, might be willing to make a change, but
Speaker 11: only if they can get a guy like a Bill
Speaker 11: Belichick and take your shot for the next two three years,
Speaker 11: whatever that timeline might be.
Speaker 2: What did the Patriots do.
Speaker 11: The Patriots? I would anticipate running a very targeted search.
Speaker 11: They're not gonna just, you know, put out ten to
Speaker 11: twelve requests for all these different people. They're gonna start
Speaker 11: by looking within the family. So who is that you
Speaker 11: got your Od Mayo? Who's an in house option on
Speaker 11: the coaching staff. I would certainly not say that by
Speaker 11: any stretch that's a slam. Donc that Garrod Mayo gets
Speaker 11: that job. There's other coaches out there, Mike Vrabel being
Speaker 11: chief among them. I mean, a couple of months ago,
Speaker 11: he's sitting in Robert Kraft's suite and saying, we got
Speaker 11: a game to win today and maybe taking a veiled
Speaker 11: shot at his current employer at the time by saying, Hey, fans,
Speaker 11: enjoy this because it's not like this everywhere. Mike Vrabel
Speaker 11: has a long history in that organization, including being a
Speaker 11: player there. It's certainly is a consideration, So it would
Speaker 11: be a Brian Flores, who's now the Vikings defensive coordinator.
Speaker 11: He won a Super Bowl with Bill Belichick as the
Speaker 11: DC in New England. I think that you're going to
Speaker 11: look at all those types of guys because they know
Speaker 11: how that building functions. Dan New England is not like
Speaker 11: any place else because of the unilateral power that Bill
Speaker 11: Belichick has had for so long in that building. They're
Speaker 11: going to need a general manager too. They're going to
Speaker 11: need to build out their operational staff. They're going to
Speaker 11: be need to build out a lot of different things
Speaker 11: because there's nobody even the guys who have been there before,
Speaker 11: that are going to take on as much as Bill
Speaker 11: Belichick did. And I think that when you trace through
Speaker 11: why ultimately here Bill Belichick and Robert Craft are going
Speaker 11: separate directions, it's not simply four and thirteen this season.
Speaker 11: It's about how certain things have eroded over the course
Speaker 11: of time in New England. When you look at their
Speaker 11: coaching staff, when you look at the front office staff,
Speaker 11: they've got good people on both fronts, but it's not
Speaker 11: the same people. Look at how many people have gotten
Speaker 11: coaching jobs or GM jobs and have left the basically
Speaker 11: a brain drain that they've had over the course of
Speaker 11: time here. You know, there are a lot of discussions
Speaker 11: among Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, especially on Monday. They
Speaker 11: meant for hours on that day, talked through every scenario,
Speaker 11: including scenarios where Bill Belichick would come back. But Belichick
Speaker 11: said himself what he met with reporters Monday morning, we
Speaker 11: got to get some things fixed. Robert Craft had his
Speaker 11: ideas of how you're going to fix that. Bill Belichick
Speaker 11: had his own ideas on how to fix that. You
Speaker 11: have seen an erosion of Bill Belichick's authority to a
Speaker 11: certain degree in recent years, versus last year when Robert
Speaker 11: Kraft put out a rare press release saying, hey, we're
Speaker 11: going to keep girodd Mail, We're bringing in Bill Bill
Speaker 11: O'Brien as the offensive coordinator. New England has never done
Speaker 11: things like that, and so for Belichick, he was going
Speaker 11: to want to make certain changes in terms of the
Speaker 11: people as much as anything. So is Robert Kraft. They
Speaker 11: weren't quite on the same page. Everybody's going to go
Speaker 11: their own directions.
Speaker 1: Tom pelserro NFL Network insider Jim Harbaugh, how close do
Speaker 1: you think this is to a real possibility that he
Speaker 1: goes to the NFL.
Speaker 11: I believe it's a real possibility, Dan, and I believe
Speaker 11: it's been a real possibility in Jim Harbaugh's mind for
Speaker 11: a couple of years now. You know, you trace it
Speaker 11: back to two years ago when he interviewed in person
Speaker 11: with the Vikings on National Signing Day. That's how serious
Speaker 11: Jim Harbaugh was about the possibility of going to the NFL.
Speaker 11: Was that partly to tweak an administration that had just
Speaker 11: forced him to take a pay cut the year before
Speaker 11: coming off COVID who's the set? But he was very
Speaker 11: serious about that job, to the point that he did
Speaker 11: at zoom with the Vikings and then when in in
Speaker 11: person and did, like I want to say, it was
Speaker 11: a seven hour interview with them. They ultimately, based on
Speaker 11: the results of the interviews as well as just kind
Speaker 11: of the fit, they decided to go with Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 11: That's been a really good hire for them. Last year
Speaker 11: with Denver Harbad did a zoom with the Broncos. They
Speaker 11: wanted to get him in for an in person interview.
Speaker 11: And this is not a direct quote from Harbaugh, but
Speaker 11: the sense on his end was, I'm Jim Harbaugh how
Speaker 11: many interviews do I have to do? You know exactly
Speaker 11: who I am as a coach. Just hire me if
Speaker 11: you want to. The Penners actually flew and visited Harbaugh
Speaker 11: in Ann Arbor to try to get him to reconsider
Speaker 11: that one just didn't line up this time around.
Speaker 2: Harbaugh.
Speaker 11: I can tell you this. Dan has been refreshing his
Speaker 11: staff lists, He's had conversations with people, He's been evaluating
Speaker 11: the openings. He also coming off of the greatest feat
Speaker 11: of his coaching career when in a national title at
Speaker 11: his alma mater. He heads in the clouds still a
Speaker 11: little bit here. Over the last couple of days, I
Speaker 11: would anticipate we will find out fairly soon how serious
Speaker 11: Jim Harbaugh is and whether there's a place that's lined
Speaker 11: up for him to go in the NFL. It's a
Speaker 11: lot like I talked about Bill Belichick and how you
Speaker 11: need to have the personnel and the structure of the
Speaker 11: organization line up for him to want to take that job.
Speaker 11: It's a similar type of thing with Jim Harbaugh. Everybody's
Speaker 11: going to draw the arrows to the LA Chargers. They
Speaker 11: absolutely are exploring this, and from Harbaugh's perspective, there's a
Speaker 11: lot to like, and it begins with Justin Herbert. The
Speaker 11: Chargers also are a family owned and run business. John
Speaker 11: Spanos oversees the football operation. Another one of Dean spans
Speaker 11: the Sun's overseas the business operation. Is that going to
Speaker 11: be a fit for what they want to do and
Speaker 11: what Jim Harbaugh wants to do. There are some fascinating
Speaker 11: discussions to be had if they go down that path.
Speaker 11: The Raiders makes a lot of sense to with Jim
Speaker 11: Harbaugh and Mark Davis be a fit. We'll see. There's
Speaker 11: other jobs out there that potentially Harbaugh could be connected
Speaker 11: to as well. But for me, I would say, if
Speaker 11: Jim Harbaugh is going to take one of these things
Speaker 11: in this cycle, La and Las Vegas would be the
Speaker 11: two to watch.
Speaker 1: The Seattle opening, How attractive is that and who do
Speaker 1: you think they're going to target?
Speaker 11: I believe it's a really attractive job opening in Seattle
Speaker 11: because they've gotten so much younger. They really flip that
Speaker 11: thing over the last few years here. You look at
Speaker 11: the talent that they've amassed at the skill spots, the
Speaker 11: young talent that they've masked on defense. Dan they went
Speaker 11: into last season making moves like they thought they could
Speaker 11: win a Super Bowl right now. They brought back Bobby
Speaker 11: Wack and paid him a bunch of money. They made
Speaker 11: a trade deadline trade for Leonard Williams, which gave up
Speaker 11: future draft picks. You don't do that if you're not expecting, hey,
Speaker 11: we're in it to win it right now. They end
Speaker 11: up nine to eight, they missed the playoffs. I think
Speaker 11: it's fair to say they felt like this was a
Speaker 11: team that underachieved to a certain degree. Fourteen years is
Speaker 11: a long time for anybody to have one job in
Speaker 11: the NFL. Pete Carroll said yesterday he thought he as
Speaker 11: Pete always says, he competed to be the coach, but
Speaker 11: Jody Allen, the Seahawks chair, her mind was made up
Speaker 11: based on the total evaluation here they're going to look.
Speaker 11: I think it's an oversimplification to say, well, dan Quinn's
Speaker 11: just going to come in. He's been there before. Dan
Speaker 11: Quinn's going to have other options. He's a real candidate
Speaker 11: in Tennessee, he's a real candidate in a place like Washington.
Speaker 11: He's got slips from a couple of other teams as well.
Speaker 11: Dan Quinn potentially is going to have options here once
Speaker 11: we get to the point that dan Quin can actually
Speaker 11: talk with other teams, and so for Seattle, I anticipate
Speaker 11: you're going to see them put in Lis and all
Speaker 11: likely in the coming days here for some of the
Speaker 11: young offensive coaches, because with Pete Carroll, you know, they've
Speaker 11: had good offenses at times through the years, but Pete's
Speaker 11: foundation is defense, don't turn it over. We're going to
Speaker 11: win the way that we have to. We have to
Speaker 11: cut you loose Russe Wilson, Gino Smith in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 11: We're going to do that. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 11: somebody who probably fits, you know, in broad swaths the
Speaker 11: culture that they've built here. Not that you're going to
Speaker 11: do everything the same as Pete, which is why it
Speaker 11: doesn't necessarily have to be dan Quinn. But I think
Speaker 11: like that culture of positivity and competition is going to
Speaker 11: be a big deal for them. They'll run a broad
Speaker 11: search here and I'll be interested to see where that lands.
Speaker 1: But it feels like Pete still wants to coach at
Speaker 1: seventy two. Is he as attractive as Bill Belichick?
Speaker 11: I think that if Pete Carroll wants to coach, and
Speaker 11: he said it in his press conference after the game
Speaker 11: as well as yesterday that he doesn't feel worn out,
Speaker 11: he feels refreshed. He said he's freaking jacked again to
Speaker 11: use another Pete carrollsm about what comes next here. Absolutely,
Speaker 11: I mean there are teams that are going to evalue
Speaker 11: wait this, and I can tell you are evaluating this
Speaker 11: with Pete. I mean there's a couple of teams that
Speaker 11: would make sense. The Atlanta Falcons would make sense. I
Speaker 11: don't know that Pete is moving across the country to
Speaker 11: do that at this point, but there's always been an
Speaker 11: attraction for Arthur Blank to bringing in a guy like
Speaker 11: a Pete Carroll. I mean, he hired Dan Quinn years
Speaker 11: ago out of that same program. The Chargers are also
Speaker 11: a possibility in terms of at least evaluating this opportunity.
Speaker 11: Can you imagine Pete Carroll going back to LA to
Speaker 11: take one more shot and he's got Justin Herbert a
Speaker 11: quarterback and a veteran defense. Again, these are all hypotheticals
Speaker 11: at this point. The Chargers our team that is going
Speaker 11: to interview a ton of people for this job. But
Speaker 11: I would absolutely not rule out Pete Carroll coaching in
Speaker 11: the NFL again, potentially even in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this. I'm trying to understand what
Speaker 1: the Bears are doing. You keep Matt Eberflus, but you
Speaker 1: fire the offensive coordinator in the quarterbacks coach, which now
Speaker 1: leads me to believe they move on from justin field.
Speaker 1: Why would you take that job if you're an offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: if you're not even sure if Matt Eberflus is going
Speaker 1: to be extended. So do the Bears extend their head
Speaker 1: coach so you get some stability for an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and or quarterbacks coach who's going to go in there?
Speaker 1: And does that lead you to believe the same thing
Speaker 1: that they're going to take somebody number one overall at quarterback.
Speaker 11: I don't foresee a contract extension for Matt Eberflus at
Speaker 11: this point just because he's two years in. Most teams
Speaker 11: don't do new deals two years in unless you've gone
Speaker 11: to the Super Bowl. The Bears played better the second
Speaker 11: half of last season down the stretch, and that really
Speaker 11: made the case for Matt Eberflus to stick around. You know,
Speaker 11: you look at the numbers on their offense. They weren't horrible.
Speaker 11: I mean, they ended up number two in rushing, even
Speaker 11: though they didn't even have Justin Fields for a chunk
Speaker 11: of games. I mean, they're playing with a Division two
Speaker 11: undrafted quarterback, Tyson Bagen, and they're winning some of those games.
Speaker 11: They were top ten most of the season and third
Speaker 11: downs in red zone, so this was not a completely
Speaker 11: broken offense by any stretch. I think that my instincts
Speaker 11: are the same as yours, Dan, which is there's probably
Speaker 11: a possibility this would signal that you are bringing in
Speaker 11: a new quarterback and you're going to gear a new
Speaker 11: offense around him. But the Bears at this point are
Speaker 11: not going to cut off any of their options in
Speaker 11: terms of potentially keeping Justin Fields, although he's also at
Speaker 11: a point where if you're going to commit to him,
Speaker 11: you'd be thinking about a contract extension for him sooner
Speaker 11: than later. Bears are in a really unique spot. Ryan
Speaker 11: Poles said as much yesterday, where you're sitting on the
Speaker 11: number one pick and the number nine pick, and you
Speaker 11: have a quarterback who, even though it's never been consistent
Speaker 11: with Justin Fields, which is the biggest fault there and
Speaker 11: the biggest reason you might move on, you've also seen
Speaker 11: him at times do some pretty cool stuff on the field,
Speaker 11: So a lot of different directions that could go. They
Speaker 11: immediately put in a request yesterday, Dan hours after the
Speaker 11: Pete Carroll decision for Shade Waldron, who's been the offensive
Speaker 11: coordinator in Seattle and had Gino Smith playing at a
Speaker 11: really high level. Is it the most attractive job in
Speaker 11: the NFL? For all the reasons you just said. There
Speaker 11: certainly is gonna be trepidation among some coaches of hey,
Speaker 11: am I walking into a one year situation and then
Speaker 11: we're all going to be in trouble here. But whether
Speaker 11: you're talking about justin fields or you know, just as
Speaker 11: a lore and probably more so Caleb Williams a potential
Speaker 11: number one pick coming in he hasn't declared for the
Speaker 11: draft yet, still could be Drake May. A lot of
Speaker 11: ways this could go. Let's be honest, Caleb Williams is
Speaker 11: the one that everybody in the league is going to
Speaker 11: be talking about, and somebody, quite possibly, whether it's the
Speaker 11: Bears or otherwise, is going to end up in that
Speaker 11: number one spot.
Speaker 4: Taken.
Speaker 1: I lied, I have one more. What's the wildest rumor
Speaker 1: you've heard? Not report? Do you have any wild rumors?
Speaker 11: I mean, haven't reality been more fun than rumor right
Speaker 11: now is Beryl is out in Seattle, Bill Belichick is
Speaker 11: out in New England. I mean, listen, there's always rumors about,
Speaker 11: you know what potentially could happen with a Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 11: He's got one year left on his contract. Usually the
Speaker 11: Steelers do extensions earlier than that. They didn't in this case.
Speaker 11: Could he, you know, potend walk with their They'd absolutely
Speaker 11: be interested with other teams. I think that's something you
Speaker 11: know to keep in mind here. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 11: so much stuff we have a coaching think about this, Dan,
Speaker 11: just like thirty thousand foot view this for a second.
Speaker 11: We have an NFL coaching cycle right now where we're
Speaker 11: talking about possible candidates Jim Harbaugh, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick,
Speaker 11: Pete Carroll. That's a really that's a real thing that's
Speaker 11: happening right now in twenty twenty four. And when you
Speaker 11: look at the young, the young candidates for some of
Speaker 11: these jobs, there's certainly a lot of talented young coaches.
Speaker 11: But outside of Ben Johnson, maybe a Brian Callahan, maybe
Speaker 11: an Aaron Glenn, there's not a whole lot of coaches
Speaker 11: that you say, right now Okay, opening shot. This guy's
Speaker 11: going to get a job and he's ready to go.
Speaker 11: It's going to be an absolutely fascinating a few weeks
Speaker 11: in the hiring cycle.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah.
Speaker 11: Pour on top of that, the fact that we've got
Speaker 11: unique rules now for the first time where you can't
Speaker 11: do in person interviews with people who are currently employed
Speaker 11: by NFL teams until January twenty second, after the divisional
Speaker 11: playoff games. You know who's not subject to those rules,
Speaker 11: Bill Bellich, Check, Jim Harbaugh. Those guys are and Pete Carrol,
Speaker 11: all those guys. It's a different type of a deal
Speaker 11: because if they end up getting released from their contracts,
Speaker 11: which is a technical thing we can deal with later,
Speaker 11: they're available to interview right now and they'll be fascinat
Speaker 11: to see where it all goes.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tom, you got it.
Speaker 11: Dan happy to be here.
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Speaker 1: listen live. After listening to Tom Pelisaro the Network NFL
Speaker 1: Network Insider, there are a couple of teams if they
Speaker 1: would bow out in their first playoff game, you get
Speaker 1: the feeling that maybe management might go, Hm, we can
Speaker 1: kick this guy to the curb and we can bring
Speaker 1: in somebody who's a proven successful coach Dallas, even though
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy does have a really good track record. But
Speaker 1: if Jerry Jones is attracted to shiny things, and Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is a shiny thing, if you're Buffalo, if Buffalo
Speaker 1: bounds out as the number two seed, would they move
Speaker 1: on from Sean McDermott. Would that be a place that's
Speaker 1: attractive to Bill Belichick. You stay in the NFC East,
Speaker 1: you get to haunt New England. You got your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: They have some pretty good defensive players Stefan Diggs. They
Speaker 1: have a little bit more of a running game with Cook.
Speaker 1: Just you know, you have to think like an owner thinks.
Speaker 1: Because I can't see Bill going to Carolina and going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this team isn't any good. And I
Speaker 1: got this owner who wants you know, results right away, Washington.
Speaker 1: I only thought for the location that he grew up
Speaker 1: in Annapolis, and you have the second pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: you have new ownership there in a great fan base.
Speaker 1: But Tom Tellicero said he didn't see that happening Belichick
Speaker 1: on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. For some reason, I just
Speaker 2: don't see that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna have flip flops and shorts and uh,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna be like the older Sean McVay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I could see where if a
Speaker 1: team bows out sooner like Philadelphia is in a weird
Speaker 1: situation like man, oh man, Nick Siriani has cooled off.
Speaker 1: It's frosty, and if you happen to lose to Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Man, uh get a couple of phone calls in here.
Speaker 1: Uh let me see, is this uh Topeka in Tampa?
Speaker 2: Dan, Yes it is.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, thanks thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: Second time, long time five.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to call to say happy birthday to Jarrett,
Speaker 4: my boyfriend, and I also.
Speaker 6: Wanted to say I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 6: the Bears, but good luck.
Speaker 4: To Justin Field no matter what, so go Bears.
Speaker 12: Happy birthday, Jarrett all right, there you go, Topeka calling
Speaker 12: in to wish your You know, sometimes it's just easier
Speaker 12: to say to your boyfriend, happy birthday.
Speaker 2: Yes, DoD, where's that caller from Kansas?
Speaker 1: I think we all do Topeka, Topeka from Kansas. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Hay nice Joe and Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: Hi Joe, Hey DP six foot even two hundred, thank
Speaker 7: you calling because of your color. Last color. About baby
Speaker 7: on a plane situation, we got a story wife and
Speaker 7: I decided that the oldest at the time was able
Speaker 7: to fly. So sitting waiting for the plane to board
Speaker 7: from Cincinnati to Florida, My man, he's not taking his
Speaker 7: neck time. He's getting off. We can feel it. And
Speaker 7: we get on the plane, you know, new parents, and
Speaker 7: he's screaming the whole time, won't stop. So we're bouncing him.
Speaker 7: We're walking up and down the aisles, doing everything we can,
Speaker 7: steeling all the eyes on us, you know, anyway, doesn't
Speaker 7: he screams the whole time. Get there, Get to where
Speaker 7: we're going. I put a twelve pack next to the
Speaker 7: pool and I sit there and a fellow with the
Speaker 7: Bengals tattoo comes strolling down and I say, oh, hey,
Speaker 7: Bengals Cincinnati. Oh you know, cool fun vacation. Listen to
Speaker 7: that and said, hey, how'd you get down here? What
Speaker 7: flates you take? And he looked at me and said yours.
Speaker 7: We shared that twelve back after that my beer with
Speaker 7: his beer that day.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Joe Man.
Speaker 1: When you walk on a plane with kids who people
Speaker 1: are either looking right at you or they're looking away
Speaker 1: on purpose, they're praying you're not sitting next to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was one of the biggest like changes about life
Speaker 3: or something that I learned after having a child is
Speaker 3: that as soon as you walk on with a child,
Speaker 3: everybody goes, oh no, and then they start looking at you, well,
Speaker 3: avoiding eye contact, but watching where you're going.
Speaker 2: Please don't sit next to me. Please don't sit next
Speaker 2: to me. Please don't sit next to me. Please don't
Speaker 2: sit next me.
Speaker 13: Yes, And there's a level of empathy once you have kids,
Speaker 13: because when they're crying, like you're sitting here, Hey bleep,
Speaker 13: I don't want him crying either. Well, I don't want
Speaker 13: her crying either. You think I want this baby crying?
Speaker 13: You bleep?
Speaker 2: Wow? Am I so angry?
Speaker 3: Now You're like, hey, we're all with you, pal, don't
Speaker 3: worry about it.
Speaker 2: Man, I get it. I've been there.
Speaker 3: You'll get through the flight, Okay, don't worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about that.
Speaker 1: Though, after you have kids on a plane and then
Speaker 1: you see a baby it's crying, or you see the parents,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just want to say, hey it,
Speaker 1: you'll get through it.
Speaker 2: You'll get through it.
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