Speaker 1: The thing I haven't sort of gotten a real answer
Speaker 1: to is like where are all the cars going now?
Speaker 1: Because like you know, it's traffic much worse on the
Speaker 1: b QUE or it is like you know, for instance,
Speaker 1: the b QUE is literally like it can't take any
Speaker 1: more cars, like if more cars.
Speaker 2: Queer Expressway, Yes.
Speaker 1: That's what we call it. Well once it passes into Bushwick,
Speaker 1: you call it that you're bullying.
Speaker 3: Is really on point.
Speaker 2: I'm advocating for queer people, you know, like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of queer people in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: It's just so as.
Speaker 1: A window now where it can talk New York, no,
Speaker 1: where you can pretend that you're better than New York.
Speaker 1: But that wind is going to close pretty soon. But
Speaker 1: you know, you could get it and.
Speaker 2: We can't even open our windows.
Speaker 3: It's a lesson I've taken. Yeah, that's a lesson I've
Speaker 3: taken from the the year so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we fucking suffered. Get out of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: our city.
Speaker 3: Ship right now, Our city's on fire.
Speaker 2: Hey I'm bunning over here.
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Speaker 3: Way, anybody can do it. It turns out that guy
Speaker 3: couldn't sing for Ship. It's just kind of drunk and
Speaker 3: uh is just do loose. You can do Elvis too,
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elvis had, Elvis had okay pipe.
Speaker 3: You can do Elvis. I'm just like you. I can
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Speaker 2: You know, the white guy bloot rotation.
Speaker 3: Dream blood rotation. I'm thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 3: second seat, our miles seat, by a hilarious stand up comedian, writer, actor, improviser.
Speaker 2: It's probably you know, Oh my god, Hi, Hi guys, Hey, hi.
Speaker 3: You got the height.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go totally different than I normally do.
Speaker 3: Just play a character for the entire episode.
Speaker 2: Hey why not? You know, welcome to comedy thing. Thing.
Speaker 1: That's good too.
Speaker 3: We are throwing to be joined probably in our third
Speaker 3: seat by a podcaster extraordinaire, you know, from this day
Speaker 3: in esoteric political history. He's also hosted thirty for thirty
Speaker 3: three ESPN, the five thirty eight politics podcast way back,
Speaker 3: but that's where I first found out about him, so
Speaker 3: I'm always.
Speaker 1: Gonna break it Trump was elected president.
Speaker 3: Way back when Trump had the red and black lumberjack
Speaker 3: and the hat to match. He's the lead producer on
Speaker 3: The Puzzler. It's Jody Abergade.
Speaker 1: Nice to be Yeah, as always, it's great to have you, Jody,
Speaker 1: And you post these video episodes two days, three days
Speaker 1: after they come out, exactly so perfect, exactly of orders,
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen executive orders later, exactly this.
Speaker 3: Way more relevant than that.
Speaker 2: I think it's depending on like Trump's attention span and
Speaker 2: signing his own name, which I feel like is long.
Speaker 3: It's like carpal tunnel, Like his hand is cramping up.
Speaker 1: What's the tariffs on? Sharp? And it'll slow down? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jody, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Paul, Jody, you guys picked a good one. If you
Speaker 3: landed a good one in terms of real you know,
Speaker 3: the news cycle, my overall level of comfort and ease. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be an interesting one. I appreciate you both
Speaker 3: being here. Jody, we were talking about the old New
Speaker 3: York v. L A comparisons both you know.
Speaker 1: The coastal elites go ahead to you're freaking out a
Speaker 1: little bit, collecting.
Speaker 3: Character syndrome for both cities. We're like, well, that's not
Speaker 3: That's not an important city. We're an important city.
Speaker 2: I do love that. Right now, New Yorkers can't say
Speaker 2: they hate us because La is La. People are like,
Speaker 2: we we get so much hate. You'll be like, I'm
Speaker 2: from LA and people will be like, I hate La.
Speaker 2: And right now while we're burning, people are like, you
Speaker 2: guys got heart?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? I am a new Yorker, and
Speaker 1: I'm one, you know, and I hold this like irrational,
Speaker 1: like New York is the greatest city in the world.
Speaker 2: New York, No I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I do too. I think there are
Speaker 1: other great cities, but I kind of like, I really
Speaker 1: indulge in that. And over the last like four or
Speaker 1: five years, I've known a lot of people have moved
Speaker 1: to LA. I have become kind of like humored with LA,
Speaker 1: and but then we're pretty cute. A couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I decided, just as the New Year was starting, I
Speaker 1: was like, hating LA is back, and I actually tweeted it.
Speaker 1: I actually tweeted it, and I was like, the playing
Speaker 1: ice is over, It's.
Speaker 2: Time to start fires.
Speaker 1: It was the day before the fires broke out where
Speaker 1: I like planted a flag. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk shit about LA. And then the fires broke out
Speaker 1: the very next.
Speaker 5: Day, and even the climate scientists and the fact your
Speaker 5: bravery that you've stuck with it every single day tweeting
Speaker 5: something aggressive and mean about LA ever since then admirable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they deserved it. I remember that one. I remember
Speaker 2: you tweeted they deserved it.
Speaker 1: They deserve I'm like putting like refund request to go fund.
Speaker 3: The emojis everywhere you know, this one looks suspicious broadly
Speaker 3: across every goof.
Speaker 2: On me saw Jody looting an evacuation zones.
Speaker 3: It's crazy she's starting so that the right wing comedians
Speaker 3: will have something to complain about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, New York can't hate on LA What do what
Speaker 1: do we have?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Literally everything.
Speaker 1: Most everything else.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I've been over here like talking, like the one
Speaker 3: news story that gives me hope is the congestion pricing.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like everyone in New York, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's it like to be around that?
Speaker 1: Like this would be the world with it with and
Speaker 1: then it's just like this fututure, futuristic Valhalla.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, law, a single law aimed at improving the
Speaker 3: lives of citizens with no clear corporate tie. Now where
Speaker 3: it's like and you have to give us all of
Speaker 3: your credit card information.
Speaker 1: Watered down and delayed by months and months and months.
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Going to find out they're killing kittens for it or
Speaker 2: something later. All right, Jody, we're going to get to
Speaker 2: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 2: we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the
Speaker 2: things we're talking about today.
Speaker 3: Where to begin. We'll talk about, you know, just a
Speaker 3: quick rundown of Trump's executive orders that are getting pushed
Speaker 3: back in courts and aren't getting pushbacks in courts, And
Speaker 3: then we do have to talk about the elon musk
Speaker 3: Nazi salute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to put a question, you don't
Speaker 1: have to put a.
Speaker 3: Long anti defam. Major League seems to think it was
Speaker 3: just an awkward gesture.
Speaker 2: Of every kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. We don't want to they don't have
Speaker 1: the same musk.
Speaker 3: There, you go, straight up intentional and aggressive Nazi salute.
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about why primates, including people peeing groups,
Speaker 3: all of that plenty more. But first, Jody, we do
Speaker 3: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 3: search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 1: Well, I it's very see everything I say now will
Speaker 1: be casting this New York versus out. It's very cold
Speaker 1: here in New York right now, and it snowed recently.
Speaker 1: But it is like hard for you, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's very hard for me.
Speaker 2: I went sledding with my daddy covering the city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hush, and there's no cars now because of congestion pricing,
Speaker 1: so you can just slush your way down the middle
Speaker 1: of the street. It's really wonderful. But I got I
Speaker 1: got thinking a lot about the like real feel temperature,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're getting these forecasts now in New
Speaker 1: York where it's like it's thirty degrees but it feels
Speaker 1: like negative five. And you know, I've basically come to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that, like, why don't we just get the
Speaker 1: real feel? The real feel is the real should be
Speaker 1: the real.
Speaker 2: Temperature, like it's forty degrees, but it feels like your
Speaker 2: mother kicked you in the teeth.
Speaker 1: And I mean, all I do with temperature is feel it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have any other things that I do
Speaker 1: with temperature. And so I started to just like go
Speaker 1: down a little rabbit hole of how that temperature gets calculated.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't really explain it to you, but it
Speaker 1: is kind of fascinating how the rise of real feel.
Speaker 3: And I know it's just a guy in central parts.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2: A smiley face is on a doctor's little range.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but this is but I genuinely like I
Speaker 1: would like to propose that we make real feel the temperature,
Speaker 1: feel the default temperature that we get. I mean, what's the.
Speaker 2: Point every measurement? Though? It's like we thought we could
Speaker 2: get rid of daylight savings. That bitch is still on
Speaker 2: our ass. You know, we thought we could do like
Speaker 2: metric measurements that made sense. No, no, and then now
Speaker 2: it's like what you're feeling isn't really how It's like
Speaker 2: the weather people are gaslighting us. They're like, no, it
Speaker 2: doesn't actually, it's not actually what you think it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just need to get our We just need
Speaker 3: to get the pulling in and then we'll know what
Speaker 3: the temperature is outside that that is really interesting. I've
Speaker 3: also never heard it referred to so consistently as real feel.
Speaker 3: It feels like they they're winning some branding war right now.
Speaker 3: Because I've always called it like the feels like temperature
Speaker 3: or the wind chill factor, which is real.
Speaker 2: It sounds like there's more things than just wind chills,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think humidity has something to do with it.
Speaker 1: You know, did you get enough sleep the night before?
Speaker 1: Like all those things, kind of going.
Speaker 3: Through a wet cold. It's not something that I realized,
Speaker 3: you know, like a wet like when the air is
Speaker 3: both humid and really cold. I didn't realize how cold
Speaker 3: that could feel until I was in Ireland one winter
Speaker 3: and it like gets there, like they say, it gets
Speaker 3: inside your closing. You're like, oh, you affable Irish people,
Speaker 3: and then you feel it. It's like holy shit, it's
Speaker 3: like inside, It's inside everything I'm wearing right now, there
Speaker 3: is the British. Yes, and I did say that to
Speaker 3: make sure that they liked me over there. Yeah, yeah, Jody,
Speaker 3: that sounds really uncomfortable. Over here. We're checking the air
Speaker 3: quality on air now dot gov. And a little feature
Speaker 3: that I want to shout out the air now dot
Speaker 3: gov people on is they've built in a little moment
Speaker 3: of suspense, a little storytelling into the app where you
Speaker 3: go there and you hit the like where I am,
Speaker 3: and then it starts at zero at like very clean air,
Speaker 3: and then it like kind of it needles up to
Speaker 3: the bad. It needles up to the bad air quality
Speaker 3: that you're at, which exactly how bad is this air?
Speaker 3: How much mesophilioma is this going to?
Speaker 2: You're just trying to get you to stay on the
Speaker 2: app for a second longer yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know that that app was purchased by
Speaker 1: a private equity firm two weeks ago, and now they're
Speaker 1: just trying to extract as much well from it as the.
Speaker 3: Same guy who tells them what it feels like in
Speaker 3: New York is like, you know, their focus group.
Speaker 1: So can I ask you, I'm happy to not talk
Speaker 1: about what's going on in LA and talk about some
Speaker 1: of your things, like Trump's executive orders. But yes, it does.
Speaker 1: Is I've heard over and over from folks in LA,
Speaker 1: like the kind of all that muscle memory of deep
Speaker 1: COVID is kind of back, and like the masks, the isolation,
Speaker 1: the sort of like just sort of hyper weird reality.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is that right?
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's reverse you go, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: were going about to say it's like reverse COVID where
Speaker 2: you wear your masks outside and take them off inside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were thinking that too. I think it really depends
Speaker 2: because there's some parts of the city where people are
Speaker 2: just acting totally normal because it's such a big city.
Speaker 2: And also I think people are still tired from taking
Speaker 2: all those precautions in COVID. But in my mind, I'm
Speaker 2: going a little COVID crazy I'm like, when do you like,
Speaker 2: what about my dogs? Like I can't mask them, Like
Speaker 2: like what's the air quality? Like I went to a
Speaker 2: kid's birthday party yesterday and everybody was unmasked and me
Speaker 2: and my boyfriend were masked because we were like, well
Speaker 2: the air quality, it says it's not great. But also
Speaker 2: is that just what LA normally is?
Speaker 1: Like borderline choices are back exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then also I feel like it's not as isolated
Speaker 2: because people are able to be around each other and
Speaker 2: like help each other. There's a lot of mutual aid
Speaker 2: going on. There's still shows going on to like raise
Speaker 2: money and stuff, so it is different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing you're afraid of is not other people,
Speaker 3: it's the air. So that's kind of.
Speaker 2: The paranoia is like when do I unpack my stuff?
Speaker 2: Because like I unpacked my stuff and then it was
Speaker 2: like the winds are coming back and the fire weather
Speaker 2: is back, and then you're like, a fuck, am I
Speaker 2: gonna catch it? The fire? Like you know, So there's
Speaker 2: that for sure.
Speaker 3: Our important documents now live in a bag by the door, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a going to be You have a
Speaker 1: goat tub.
Speaker 3: I have a go tub. It's go tub. All right, Jody,
Speaker 3: what is something do you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, my underrated it relates to something I've been
Speaker 1: noodling with lately, and I'm curious for.
Speaker 3: This electric guitar.
Speaker 1: My underrated is drinking.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: So I've been thinking the cold No, it's it's related
Speaker 1: a little too It's related a little too dry January
Speaker 1: going on all around. And then you know, the Surgeon
Speaker 1: General recently issued that the sort of warnings on alcohol
Speaker 1: and basically so like no drinking it's good for you,
Speaker 1: and or any drinking is bad for you. And then
Speaker 1: just in general this you know, these kind of stats
Speaker 1: and just this cultural thing that we all see. I like,
Speaker 1: drinking has diminished considerably, especially among young people. And I've
Speaker 1: been thinking of the last couple of weeks about that trend.
Speaker 1: And on the one hand, I like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: cut back my drinking a fair amount, and I think
Speaker 1: like drinking is pretty harmful. But I've also been thinking
Speaker 1: that maybe that the like decline in drinking might be
Speaker 1: a symptom of, or a symbol of, like the people
Speaker 1: called the loneliness epidemic. But like, I really feel like
Speaker 1: there's a chance that it like young people aren't not
Speaker 1: drinking because they're like making healthy choices, but because they're
Speaker 1: at home on screens alone, and I think that is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, and so like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just been this interesting kind of thing I've been trying
Speaker 1: to puzzle through because there's part of me that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: drinking is really harmful, but then this part of me
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we need to go out, like grab
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks with friends, Like we need more
Speaker 1: of that. We are very isolated from one another. So
Speaker 1: I'm just you know.
Speaker 2: I would also say, like there should be more options.
Speaker 2: I think things being open longer should be more, like,
Speaker 2: should have more options like juice bars and coffee places.
Speaker 2: Like people were talking about how we need more twenty
Speaker 2: four hour like coffee places or whatever, like where people
Speaker 2: can go hang out and just like chat and have
Speaker 2: things be open. I think, like drinking's sanctioned at night,
Speaker 2: you know, and so those places stay open. But I
Speaker 2: think if we just had more like what is it
Speaker 2: called like third third spaces, Yeah, even you know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people do stuff in like parks
Speaker 2: and things, but they're not always in the best situations
Speaker 2: or available or whatever. So I agree, Like, I get
Speaker 2: what you're saying about the loneliness thing. I'm like, we
Speaker 2: all need. And people were talking about how we don't
Speaker 2: have enough house parties and then we were like, we
Speaker 2: don't own houses, Like what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, but yeah, man, nine years ago, I would
Speaker 3: have agreed with you so hard on this one. But
Speaker 3: we should drink more, too hard in fact, And now
Speaker 3: I don't drink anymore. But h yeah, I agree that.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's good to have a place
Speaker 3: something that gets us out. I think I think social
Speaker 3: isolation is a major problem. Yeah, and it sounds like
Speaker 3: America's top doctor, the Surgeon General, caught the woke mind
Speaker 3: virus and needs to be stopped. That's exactly what I do.
Speaker 3: Just want to say, like, this is too bad.
Speaker 2: We can't be vaccinated against the pokemon.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I mean, listen, I've got a couple
Speaker 3: of podcasts I'm gonna recommend for you that I kind
Speaker 3: of function as a vaccine.
Speaker 2: By the way, who is Joe Rogan? I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: I will say, I don't think there could be a
Speaker 3: more New York take that is anti la than you
Speaker 3: talked to to LA people are more like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: if I if I hadn't gotten off A nine years
Speaker 3: ago and switched over to meditation, I would agree with you.
Speaker 2: I suggested juice bars.
Speaker 3: Juice bars probably did suggest juice bars.
Speaker 2: Another be smoothiet arawak.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Jody wants something you think is overrated.
Speaker 1: Gosh overrated. Well, I was gonna I was my overrated
Speaker 1: was actually weather forecast. I'm back. I'm just hung up
Speaker 1: on this. That's gonna be my answer. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just in general, like all this stuff is weather forecast,
Speaker 1: smoke forecasts, all this stuff is mostly just winds us up,
Speaker 1: and you should just got to step outside to find
Speaker 1: out what it actually feels like, what it really feels like, what.
Speaker 3: It really feels like. Listen. To do your own research
Speaker 3: is what is to you.
Speaker 2: To all of the LA people. Do your own research
Speaker 2: and decide when to leave based on how close you
Speaker 2: smell the fire.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's what That's precisely what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back.
Speaker 3: We'll get through some executive orders. Talk about Elon Musk's
Speaker 3: Nazi salute. We'll do it all in a moment.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: I will not do then salute in a moment, Jack.
Speaker 3: We'll do it all all. We'll do it, and we're back.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is back. Also, I guess this is the
Speaker 3: first full episode we've done since he was sworn in
Speaker 3: as the forty seventh President of the United States and
Speaker 3: immediately did a shock and awe executive order blitz all
Speaker 3: these terms that are evocative of only good things in history.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is what was promised by Project
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, that we knew it was coming, and
Speaker 3: yet here it is the straight agenda. That's right. Some
Speaker 3: of the things that he's done are illegal or at
Speaker 3: the least are going to face legal pushback. Eighteen states
Speaker 3: are suing to stop the birthright citizenship order. He's trying
Speaker 3: to overturn birthright citizenship for people born in the United States.
Speaker 3: You're not necessarily a citizen if he doesn't want you
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Okay, But also I'm like crying that it was only
Speaker 2: eighteen states.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so far. But yeah, again, we knew that this
Speaker 3: was coming first.
Speaker 1: And that's in the constitution, So you know, it's a
Speaker 1: little hard to undo the constitution.
Speaker 3: Right, he is just saying no more Constitution. There's no
Speaker 3: evidence on pushbacks on some of the more striking actions
Speaker 3: like pardoning all the January sixth rioters. For some reason
Speaker 3: just keeps coming coming back to me as being like
Speaker 3: real troubling.
Speaker 1: Are you just doing the same thing I'm doing, which
Speaker 1: is like keeping the sort of leaderboard in your head
Speaker 1: of which is spiriting, and it just keeps shuffling like
Speaker 1: your fatou.
Speaker 2: I have officially, as of yesterday, become a political I've
Speaker 2: decided not to think about anything anymore. I'm a lot happier.
Speaker 3: That's so smart. I love that.
Speaker 2: So not into politics anymore. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, have you tried the Haley Biber's movie.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love the Haley bebers movie.
Speaker 3: It goes really well with choosing to be a political
Speaker 3: and not thinking at all. Yeah, what's everybody's leader for
Speaker 3: the most troubling? Uh? You know? Birthright citizenship number one
Speaker 3: with a bullet For me, it seems like that's going
Speaker 3: to be really bad and immediately actionable in a way
Speaker 3: that includes violence and destroying families. For some reason, like
Speaker 3: the January sixth rioters being like all of them being
Speaker 3: pardoned at the same time, when you look at some
Speaker 3: of the you know, deep dives into like the culture
Speaker 3: that was growing in those prisons and around those prisoners,
Speaker 3: and when you look at what far right extremism has
Speaker 3: done over the course of the history of this country,
Speaker 3: that one seems like significant to me, and not just
Speaker 3: as like a own but like as like, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: strategically they're going to do something, They're going to do
Speaker 3: bad things.
Speaker 1: On that point. So I was surprised, I gotta be
Speaker 1: be honest, I was surprised that it was a blanket
Speaker 1: pardon for all fifteen hundred. I mean, I was that
Speaker 1: went further than even I expected. But like, how many
Speaker 1: times have we heard stories from Iraq or Syria where
Speaker 1: they're like, why is this extremist group all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: why was there this coupor, Why was this violence? It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: a hundred prisoners got released, right, all these radicals were
Speaker 1: in prison and a prison got broken out or collapsed
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like this is literally you know what happens
Speaker 1: Like to your point, I mean, I'm just realizing in
Speaker 1: real time, it's like these groups of people are now
Speaker 1: longer in prison, and then lo and behold a month
Speaker 1: later you have this kind of political violence.
Speaker 2: So that one and you know they've gotten riched in prison,
Speaker 2: so we're even in more trouble.
Speaker 3: They've been warming up their pipes. They have that singing
Speaker 3: performance on that one. Something working out and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to say my leader board. I mean,
Speaker 1: the J six stuff is just really just sort of awful.
Speaker 1: The pulling out of the w A Joe to me
Speaker 1: is just like such a clear I think, like own goal,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I get the like performative, owned
Speaker 1: the Libs politics of it, but I just feel like
Speaker 1: there's going to be another pandemic. Watch it's going to
Speaker 1: deeply harm him like that. There was no one who
Speaker 1: was just kind of seeing that is remarkable, But I
Speaker 1: guess what do you expect.
Speaker 2: I'm very concerned about like the health related stuff, and
Speaker 2: given my background and everything, so that's something.
Speaker 3: What is that background again? Because I've stopped including it
Speaker 3: when I.
Speaker 2: You don't need to include it. It's worth noting, is
Speaker 2: that I'm a PhD drop out. That's what I am.
Speaker 2: I'm a biomedical engineer.
Speaker 3: Biomedical engineering.
Speaker 2: But it's fine, and this stuff John right, I'm very concerned.
Speaker 1: I'm very concerned at the lab engineering the next COVID
Speaker 1: had you stayed in that PhD.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not even kidding. The job that I had
Speaker 2: before my PhD was in infectious diseases. We were working
Speaker 2: on a non active memolavirus control to like test to
Speaker 2: make sure people didn't have it because at the time
Speaker 2: that was happening. And then my friends who stayed at
Speaker 2: that job were working on COVID stuff. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have been involved in that if I had
Speaker 2: stayed at that job, like for several more years. But
Speaker 2: that's like I worked with infectious asas week. I should
Speaker 2: have married. I should have married Hunter, you know, getting
Speaker 2: gotten a pipe parted.
Speaker 3: It's not the first time, but we've suggested that for
Speaker 3: you on this show. Yeah, yeah, you would have been
Speaker 3: out there just trying to make sure that we didn't
Speaker 3: know the truth about ivermectin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Those feel like the top three to me. But I'm
Speaker 3: happy to be overruled. Listeners. Reach out with your faves,
Speaker 3: you know, let's treat it like recommendations.
Speaker 2: Please send us your panic attacks.
Speaker 1: But you know, the legal battles is where the action
Speaker 1: will be over the next couple of months, and there
Speaker 1: have been some legal pushback, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: think about this day four years ago or eight years ago, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we were all out there wearing
Speaker 1: our pussy hats and you know, marching in Washington, and
Speaker 1: that's not happening now. There isn't that mass mobilization, but
Speaker 1: I think there is. The legal front is still there,
Speaker 1: and I mean I remember eight years ago. The moment
Speaker 1: to me that most stuck out from the early Trump years,
Speaker 1: of the early Trump days was when there was a
Speaker 1: night at JFK where right after the Muslim van went
Speaker 1: into effect, a bunch of immigration lawyers went to JFK
Speaker 1: and sort of stood on the ground and aided immigrants
Speaker 1: coming into the country. And it was like, to me,
Speaker 1: that was the moment where I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: see the sort of on tours of the the quote
Speaker 1: unquote resistance, and I was like, you know, the lawyers
Speaker 1: are going to save us. And I still think that
Speaker 1: that is out there. I don't think we're going to
Speaker 1: see another mass millions of people in the streets, but
Speaker 1: I do think we are still are going to see
Speaker 1: moments like that.
Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see if the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: can keep up with his corruption. You know, it seems
Speaker 3: like they want to let him do whatever he wants,
Speaker 3: but like he's just he's moving so fast in so
Speaker 3: many different directions that trouble being like what what do
Speaker 3: we what do we make the laws so he can
Speaker 3: get away with the maximum amount of bullshit.
Speaker 2: I do think like in the last eight years, there
Speaker 2: have been like a lot of people, like you said, Jodi,
Speaker 2: who are who are now lawyers or policymakers who weren't
Speaker 2: in those positions before. Like I know, a lot of
Speaker 2: like scientists who went into like legislation or policy or
Speaker 2: like politics when they weren't originally going to because of him.
Speaker 2: So like hopefully that's has someone into accommodation. Yeah, some
Speaker 2: of us did a favor to science by leaving it,
Speaker 2: and you're welcome. But yeah, so I think like that
Speaker 2: pivot and that incubation period has happened, and like hopefully
Speaker 2: we'll see that in like behind the door, behind the
Speaker 2: scenes more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So I think the other most striking
Speaker 3: thing from the first couple of days of the Trump
Speaker 3: administration was Elon Musk, among the most powerful people in
Speaker 3: the history of the planet. He's going to have a
Speaker 3: major role in the Trump administration. He's been doing all
Speaker 3: sorts of far right sympathizing and just influencing around the globe.
Speaker 3: And he gave a speech after Trump was sworn in
Speaker 3: that included giving a full on Nazi salute. Like when
Speaker 3: I heard this, I was like, well, we've seen people
Speaker 3: give kind of Nazi salutes before, and then they're able
Speaker 3: to it just like kind of fades away, fades away,
Speaker 3: they're able to be Like I wasn't really.
Speaker 1: Like I seen someone raise their arm at an angle before.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but this this is pretty unambiguous. We're gonna
Speaker 3: for the people watching on video, will we'll show it here.
Speaker 3: This is from a New Republic article called did Elon
Speaker 3: Musk just give a Nazi? Seriously? Just give a Nazi salute? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually is.
Speaker 3: That the elections that come and go. Some some elections
Speaker 3: are you know, important, some or not. But but this one,
Speaker 3: this one, this one really matters. And I just want
Speaker 3: to say thank you for making it happen.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Okay, he okay, So for people who are just listening,
Speaker 3: he hits his chest, he like bites his bottom lip
Speaker 3: like he's about to you know, do a push up
Speaker 3: or you know, lift a weight, have another child, to
Speaker 3: have another child, then smacks his uh left chest and
Speaker 3: then gives such a hard Nazi salute that he audibly
Speaker 3: goes like as he's.
Speaker 2: He's and he does it.
Speaker 1: Does it again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns around and if.
Speaker 2: You play them side by side, it showed like you
Speaker 2: can play with Nazi pro uh like protesters or marches
Speaker 2: and him it's like the exact same movement. It's crazy
Speaker 2: like he's been saf snked it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure we
Speaker 1: all thoughts on this. One of them is to me, like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the conversation around this has
Speaker 1: been like, well there's a line there, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a very reasonable line, don't give a Nazi salute, and
Speaker 1: he lost that line. To me, though, the line is
Speaker 1: not don't give a Nazi salute. Maybe is it unreasonable
Speaker 1: to think the line should be don't give something that
Speaker 1: could potentially be interpreted as a Nazi salute? I mean
Speaker 1: the line should actually be a little further further back,
Speaker 1: further back, like that's the lapse of you know, I
Speaker 1: think he intentionally gave that salute. He knew what he
Speaker 1: was doing, but even the lapse of judgment, of not
Speaker 1: being able to recognize that this might be misinterpreted is
Speaker 1: just as bad as anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so just this is not a one off.
Speaker 3: So this is from the New Republic article must Just
Speaker 3: one month ago, Musk came out in full support for
Speaker 3: the far right Alternative for Germany Party, which has been
Speaker 3: accused of neo Nazi sympathies. Less than two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: Musk hosted AfD leader Alice Weidel in a livestream on
Speaker 3: x where the pair dismissed Adolf Hitler as a communist.
Speaker 3: Musk has also voiced his support for British neo Nazi
Speaker 3: Tommy Robinson in an attempt to influence politics in that country.
Speaker 3: All these would seem to suggest, I don't know that,
Speaker 3: despite earlier denials, Musk does seem to harbor actual Nazi sympathies.
Speaker 3: And then he did that on the biggest possible scale
Speaker 3: at a time when people are like this guy has
Speaker 3: way too much power in this administration in the world,
Speaker 3: and immediately after the president is sworn in, which like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like Trump and Elon Musk
Speaker 3: over the past, you know, eight years have sort of
Speaker 3: been one A, one B and like controlling the news
Speaker 3: cycle and having all eyes on them. And there's definitely
Speaker 3: like a yes, my precious like energy to that where
Speaker 3: they like need that shit. And I do wonder if
Speaker 3: this was him knowing like, I gotta go big here
Speaker 3: because everybody's going to be talking about Trump and all
Speaker 3: these executive orders, so I need to do the most
Speaker 3: Nazi thing to get all the eyeballs. So just a
Speaker 3: theory on.
Speaker 2: Grimes is like defending his video game playing abilities.
Speaker 3: What the fuck was that about?
Speaker 2: She's like the father of my child actually is a gamer.
Speaker 2: And then later Elon Musk was like, yeah, I used
Speaker 2: people to whatever you know, and and I can't believe
Speaker 2: I ever listened to her music like she was so
Speaker 2: she was so great when she first came.
Speaker 1: Out to separate the art from them from.
Speaker 2: The Nazi ex wife or ex partner.
Speaker 3: What the fuck was that about? Exactly? It was that
Speaker 3: he was particularlyked.
Speaker 2: He was like ranked top seven, which is like you
Speaker 2: cannot like those people if they're playing on their own,
Speaker 2: they cannot like spend any amount of time away from
Speaker 2: their playing. For like eighteen hours a day like to
Speaker 2: get that ranking, because it's so incredibly hard, especially on
Speaker 2: that specific video game from what I've heard. And then
Speaker 2: so and then when he went in and like live
Speaker 2: streamed him playing, there were sections that were like Elon's maps,
Speaker 2: and like, why would you name your own maps Elon's
Speaker 2: maps unless somebody was logging into your account and playing
Speaker 2: for you and they're not even called that. He didn't
Speaker 2: understand how to use them, so people were like, like,
Speaker 2: he he wants the approval of like gamer in cel,
Speaker 2: like all of the like all of these different groups
Speaker 2: that he thinks are cool, and so some of them
Speaker 2: were like infighting against him, like gamers that he pays
Speaker 2: attention to on Twitter and all these other things. Like
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, he's like asthmin Gold is one
Speaker 2: of the Twitch streamers who has like kind of right
Speaker 2: wing ideas and was also like rebelling against him. So
Speaker 2: it was this whole thing, like a gamer infighting right
Speaker 2: wing thing where people were like your fucking loser, dude,
Speaker 2: And then Grimes defended him, and then he was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, yeah, I do use some people to up
Speaker 2: my scores. He's like using other people's labor to make
Speaker 2: himself look better.
Speaker 3: Basically, that doesn't sound like Elon Musk. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if I can believe this. I'm sitting to say, with
Speaker 3: Grimes using other people's labor to make himself look more brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I Can I float a theory to you
Speaker 1: or a question to you? Yes, that actually relates to
Speaker 1: I think the video game thing and the Nazi salute
Speaker 1: and what we saw, you know, on Monday in Washington.
Speaker 1: But this window. One thing I've been thinking about is
Speaker 1: I wonder if the window between the election and this
Speaker 1: week was the kind of pinnacle, the peak of kind
Speaker 1: of the proto fascist tech elite having cultural cachet, and
Speaker 1: like that was the window on which Elon could feel
Speaker 1: that he was the coolest person in the world. And
Speaker 1: I wonder, I genuinely wonder, you know, this isn't just
Speaker 1: hopeful that whether like we just saw the peak of
Speaker 1: that and that maybe the Nazi salute was going a
Speaker 1: little too far, or that maybe now that there's actually
Speaker 1: going to be some sort of policy and some sort
Speaker 1: of implementation of this stuff. And I think it applies
Speaker 1: to Trump too, that like what Trump really wanted out
Speaker 1: of the presidency, he got on Monday. He wanted to
Speaker 1: be there signing a bunch of stuff, acting like a king,
Speaker 1: getting a lot of agulation. And now it's just downslope
Speaker 1: from here. And so I don't know, maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of wonder if we'll look back and say,
Speaker 1: you know what that was the they touched the hot stove,
Speaker 1: they flew too close to the sun up until this
Speaker 1: past Monday.
Speaker 2: I would hope so, But I feel like they were
Speaker 2: almost like more industrious during his four years than like
Speaker 2: Biden's administration was in like achieving their so called agenda points,
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't like, I mean, it was chaotic, but
Speaker 2: I feel like that was part of their intention. So
Speaker 2: I would hope it's the peak, but I think we
Speaker 2: should prepare for it not being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm mostly talking from like a cultural sense,
Speaker 1: and obviously that all sorts of policy ramifications people will
Speaker 1: be in genuine harm. But you know, these worlds are
Speaker 1: are very connected, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to like talk about this and
Speaker 3: failing yesterday. I'm having a hard time getting my head
Speaker 3: around this cultural moment because, yeah, I would like for
Speaker 3: that to be the case, that everybody sees that and
Speaker 3: like this is the worst things get. But there also
Speaker 3: feels like there's just this America loves a winner type thing,
Speaker 3: and that there's also this America has a mind boggling
Speaker 3: blind spot for how influential wealth is and capital is
Speaker 3: in this country, and now that all the capital seems
Speaker 3: to be getting in line with this vision, I feel
Speaker 3: like we're in a really dangerous place where, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know who applies the breaks at this point to this.
Speaker 1: And the media environment is so broken that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there may be people who will just never see Elon
Speaker 1: Musk give that salute, even people who would think he's
Speaker 1: a cool guy but then would see that and be like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what are you up to? Like they will just literally
Speaker 1: never see it. Yeah, I don't know how that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it's true.
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about who some people who are interpreting that salute in
Speaker 3: various ways, and we're back and just staying on the
Speaker 3: most powerful person in the world openly giving a Nazi
Speaker 3: salute for if you'll indulge us for a few minutes here,
Speaker 3: For some reason, this seems important. So maybe one of
Speaker 3: the most eyebrow raising defenses of his salute came from
Speaker 3: the Anti Defamation League, who tweeted that it was merely
Speaker 3: a quote awkward gesture and we should all cut him
Speaker 3: some slack during this quote delicate moment, which I think
Speaker 3: seemed to shock a lot of people that the ADL
Speaker 3: was defending a literal Nazi salute there, you know, seemed
Speaker 3: to be I don't know, their reputation is pretty significantly
Speaker 3: out of line with what their actual work has been forever,
Speaker 3: but especially in the recent years. We've mentioned before that
Speaker 3: it was founded to defend Israel, not really fight bigotry,
Speaker 3: and the fact that they run a program that sends
Speaker 3: US cops to train in Israel should probably tell you something.
Speaker 3: That's something that we've covered before. A delegation of top
Speaker 3: American law enforcement officers is in Israel. This is from
Speaker 3: a Intercept article is in Israel for the ADL's National
Speaker 3: counter Terrorism Seminar, which includes training on topics such as
Speaker 3: leadership in a time of terror and balancing the fight
Speaker 3: against crime and terrorism. So yeah, the current executive director
Speaker 3: recently compared the Kafia to the Swastika, has repeatedly aligned
Speaker 3: the organization with the Trump administration and refused to call
Speaker 3: out the Trump administration's playtant hate speech. I will say
Speaker 3: one group that is calling it a Nazi salutor does
Speaker 3: seem to be like, hmm, that looked like that's what
Speaker 3: we thought it was, right. Are actual Nazis? Christopher Pohlhouse,
Speaker 3: the leader of the notorious neo Nazi group Blood Tribe,
Speaker 3: posted the clip of his salute on telegram with a
Speaker 3: lightning bold and the caption I don't care if this
Speaker 3: was a mistake. I'm going to enjoy the tears over it.
Speaker 3: So that seems like he might be like, oh, I
Speaker 3: don't know, did he mean to Who knows. Another neo
Speaker 3: Nazi leader, Christopher Hood, who founded the New England Race
Speaker 3: Separatist movement nc NSC one thirty one, one of the
Speaker 3: less popular CBS crime dramas, also posted the clip to
Speaker 3: telegram with themog exclamation point, question mark and smiley face.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, there's a bunch of it like. One of
Speaker 3: them shared the clip with the caption incredible things are
Speaker 3: happening already lmaoh.
Speaker 2: And okay he's race separatists. No one wants to hang
Speaker 2: out with you anyways. Okay, nobody is trying to mingle
Speaker 2: with you at a fucking happy hour, right, so don't
Speaker 2: worry about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another self described deth no nationalists and anti so
Speaker 3: that might share the clip in a post, writing, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe woke really is dead, guys, am I right, got one,
Speaker 3: we got one.
Speaker 1: There's anti woke and then there's there's that. But wait
Speaker 1: with the ADLU is it coherent to their politics to
Speaker 1: not call this out or is it boot licking? Is
Speaker 1: it sucking up to power and wealth?
Speaker 2: I think it's both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: It's they're going wherever Israel is propped up.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: I think like, given the relationship between Trump and then
Speaker 2: Yahoo and like what Trump has said or intends to do,
Speaker 2: I think that aligns with their their goals. And then
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, everybody is falling in line right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to be kind of in line with
Speaker 3: they if they are not really against defamation as much
Speaker 3: as you know, involved in a political cause, they are
Speaker 3: like a lot you know, like TikTok and other you
Speaker 3: know organizations that are all just trying to you know,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is a fairly simple instrument to operate where
Speaker 3: you just like, say, do you agree with him and
Speaker 3: flatter him and do you know, just display loyalty. He's
Speaker 3: like a.
Speaker 1: Wire a couple mil into the bank account.
Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly, buy a bunch of his meme coins
Speaker 3: so that he becomes even richer.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this means anything, but I checked
Speaker 1: the Fox News website and the only mention of Musk's
Speaker 1: salute on that site was a write up of AOC
Speaker 1: pushing back on the ADL and saying, you know, like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Folks? This was clearly we
Speaker 1: all know what this was, Like, how can you possibly
Speaker 1: call for understanding in this moment? Which to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's interesting to me that that's the
Speaker 1: one thing that got attention, and I think it shows like, huh,
Speaker 1: maybe like actually taking a stand gets people's attention, and
Speaker 1: like the language of the right has been that for
Speaker 1: the last eight ten years, and AOC knows how to
Speaker 1: play that game. And I don't know, maybe I'm overreading it,
Speaker 1: But the only mention on Fox News was in this
Speaker 1: moment where someone actually like clapped back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think though that they're well, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know the language of the article. You're talking
Speaker 2: about Do you think that they're like putting her out
Speaker 2: there as chum so that people get distracted because she's
Speaker 2: so incendiary to the right.
Speaker 1: A little bit though, I I yeah, I mean sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think AOC is going to get attention no matter what.
Speaker 1: But like that's the game we're playing here, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think AOC cares if she's all over Fox
Speaker 1: News and people are talking shit about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean like sometimes I just feel like
Speaker 2: they use people that like that are almost like trigger
Speaker 2: words to the right just to distract from the actual
Speaker 2: what like her putting her as a shield in front
Speaker 2: of musk kind of like look at her saying this
Speaker 2: stuff about the ADL rather than her points are valid.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's certainly like a third order story, right, if
Speaker 1: I'm covering the actual thing, it's like refracted through this
Speaker 1: now spac Yeah, but yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a couple more quotes from a people weighing
Speaker 3: in here. The Proud Ohio chapter posted to a clip
Speaker 3: of the month video to telegram with the text, hail Trump.
Speaker 3: They just got.
Speaker 1: Worse how they went having your Google doct right now?
Speaker 2: Just the ones he got in his email.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just scrolling through my inbox here.
Speaker 2: So I fucking hate that there's like Proud Boys chapter Ohio.
Speaker 2: First of all, Ohio isn't real and we all know that.
Speaker 2: And second of all, New York, Yeah, Ohio, that's a
Speaker 2: Twitter thing. Everybody jokes about Ohio not being real. But
Speaker 2: second of all, like, why do they I hate that
Speaker 2: they're so organized? I hate that they have such structure.
Speaker 2: They have like a secretary taking notes on how many
Speaker 2: times they say like slurs?
Speaker 3: Right? All right, should we talk about primates peeing in groups?
Speaker 3: Would that? Would that be a good palate cleanser?
Speaker 2: This one's for the girlies, ladies, right, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Since time immemorial, men have been wondering this question. Why
Speaker 3: do they keep like getting up and trying to get
Speaker 3: away from us to talk.
Speaker 2: Shit about you dude, to see if we need protection?
Speaker 3: Everything cool here, Everything cool?
Speaker 2: That guy wasn't weird?
Speaker 5: Was he?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So? Scientists at Kyoto University recently discovered that peeing is
Speaker 3: seemingly contagious amongst chimpanzees. They watched six hundred hours of
Speaker 3: footage of captive chimps at the Kumamoto Sanctuary, which captured
Speaker 3: more than one thousand three hundred and twenty eight urination events.
Speaker 3: I have a slurpee, that's right. Do slurpees make you pay?
Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 2: some big drink.
Speaker 3: Big drink, big old slurpee, big drink. They found that
Speaker 3: when one chip decided to pee, others would often follow suit,
Speaker 3: which is not unlike humans. Our decision to urinate is
Speaker 3: influenced by social contexts that lead us to your innate
Speaker 3: simultaneously with others. This is usually something that we talk
Speaker 3: about with the context of sneezing, like that yawning is
Speaker 3: the one. Yes, sneezing, I'm like, oh good idea. In
Speaker 3: the context of yawning that like yawns are contagious and
Speaker 3: even though they feel like a thing that our body
Speaker 3: is forcing us to do, it was like, no, it's
Speaker 3: it's our brain. We're just we're silly. We will just
Speaker 3: do whatever everybody else is doing. But yeah, like with
Speaker 3: going to the bathroom, it does feel so like if
Speaker 3: you're at the end of a long road trip and
Speaker 3: like suddenly you get to your front door and you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: I really had to pee that whole time, But like
Speaker 3: somehow your brain you're like super ego. Like all of
Speaker 3: your you know, conscious consciousness, scaffolding has like kept that
Speaker 3: reality suppressed from you. So I'm not sure shocked that
Speaker 3: we're learning that this is like highly contagious and socially defined,
Speaker 3: but it's it's just like.
Speaker 2: That's like when toddlers are in emergency situations, they fall asleep,
Speaker 2: Like it's an evolutionary thing for them to like fall
Speaker 2: asleep just to be quiet, to help their families or whatever.
Speaker 1: Toddler never learned that one.
Speaker 2: No, you're like trying to recreate emergencies just to get
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, no, a robber my toddler now six
Speaker 3: year old, but he was evolutionarily designed to create new emergencies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when an emergency, that's fair.
Speaker 1: My daughter, when she was like three four would develop
Speaker 1: this thing where she would talk about if she needs
Speaker 1: to pee, and I was like, like, we really can't,
Speaker 1: like right now, you know, that would be very inconvenient.
Speaker 1: She'll go she goes, okay, I'll just do the trick,
Speaker 1: and I'm like and for a while I was like, great, okay,
Speaker 1: you're doing the trick. And then after a while I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, what's the trick. She's just
Speaker 1: like I just decide I don't need to pay anymore.
Speaker 1: Like my god, I mean, the mind over matter is incredible,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she's just she just developed her own trick
Speaker 1: where she just doesn't need to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Which made me a question, which made me question whether
Speaker 1: she ever really needed to go to the bathroom. And
Speaker 1: then I think that gets into this sort of yeah,
Speaker 1: sociological element to this, which is she she likes a
Speaker 1: trip to the bathroom or you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Jody believe little women, Okay when they say they have
Speaker 2: a trick to just not have to pay anymore.
Speaker 3: This one trick that doctors don't want you to make
Speaker 3: it so you never have to go to the bath
Speaker 3: just do it.
Speaker 2: It's the Nike logo.
Speaker 3: I do like to sometimes, you know, take a little
Speaker 3: stroll to the bathroom even if I don't have to
Speaker 3: go too bad, and like to see what the bathroom
Speaker 3: of a given restaurant is. The legs. Yeah, lighting, but
Speaker 3: they have one of those weird sinks that like doesn't
Speaker 3: really have a basin. You know, have you ever seen those?
Speaker 3: Those are starting to be a thing. Oh, like Kim
Speaker 3: Kardashi and Kanye did you ever see the picture of
Speaker 3: the inside of their kitchen where it's like a faucet
Speaker 3: on a countertop. Yeah, like a little line.
Speaker 2: And the water runs off into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I will say like going to the bathroom. I was
Speaker 2: like kind of joking earlier, but it also is like
Speaker 2: a really great place to check in with women. I've
Speaker 2: made so many friendships in bathrooms that have been like lasting, honestly,
Speaker 2: some of the first when I wasn't in stand up
Speaker 2: I went to sketch Fest with my boyfriend at the
Speaker 2: time who was doing improv, and I met so many
Speaker 2: stand ups, so many female stand ups, and we were
Speaker 2: just like lounging in this nice ass bathroom and we
Speaker 2: were bonding and I kept in touch with them and
Speaker 2: like asked them stand up advice and everything like later on.
Speaker 2: But it really, like I think it really is for women,
Speaker 2: like a great check in and a place of like
Speaker 2: comfort and like support for each other. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Wait, take us take us inside this back because Jack
Speaker 1: will do that, but I won't. I won't go. I
Speaker 1: won't just go parsing again to check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Jack's always going into him's restaurant.
Speaker 3: I'm always going to check in with women at the restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does the chat and the bonding happening in
Speaker 1: can you as you're peeing is there?
Speaker 2: It just depends. Often there are lines, which you know
Speaker 2: that's an issue, Yeah, which like we should have more stalls,
Speaker 2: we should figure out whatever, non binary bathrooms, but not
Speaker 2: in America. Yeah, but we sometimes we'll make we'll chit
Speaker 2: chat in the line, and then sometimes sometimes it happens
Speaker 2: in the stall, like if you run out of toilet paper,
Speaker 2: if you need a tampon, if like some you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you're there with friends and then somebody else hears
Speaker 2: and makes a joke or something or like at this thing,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just a beautiful place for for camaraderie,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's I just love it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: men need more of this. That's the put all the
Speaker 2: men who are in the loneliness epidemic in a bathroom together,
Speaker 2: in a nice bathroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, peeing alone. That's the next book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you guys all just Piana Trough.
Speaker 3: Isn't that that used to be away back when men
Speaker 3: were met? No, Yeah, I've been to like the really
Speaker 3: old sporting event venues like Fenway Park and the Kentucky Derby,
Speaker 3: Like infield are the places I've been where everybody's just
Speaker 3: standing around a single trough, peeing into it and just yeah,
Speaker 3: mostly pretty drunk, so everyone's cool with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, can we go back to the study for a second,
Speaker 1: because it's one line you read where the scientists at
Speaker 1: Kyoto University watched six hundred hours of footage of captive
Speaker 1: chimps and captured quote more than one three and twenty
Speaker 1: eight urination events. Yeah. Probably as a former scientist, is
Speaker 1: this a good use of their time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I used to watch like raps touch things. I used
Speaker 2: to have to go through hours of recordings of raps
Speaker 2: like touching different objects in a circular maids or whatever.
Speaker 2: So like you do have to like sit there and
Speaker 2: like time it and record it and whatever. But especially
Speaker 2: I'm assuming with chimps, there's so many like I hate
Speaker 2: behavioral studies. I hate them so much because it feels
Speaker 2: like so imprecise, because it could be they could be
Speaker 2: influenced by so many things. Like there was a study
Speaker 2: that came out that you found out that like male
Speaker 2: male researchers affected the behavior of mice differently than female researchers.
Speaker 2: So it's like people who are involved in the same
Speaker 2: experiment and we're doing it in the same way could
Speaker 2: still influence the behavior of these animals. So that's always yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for to find out that the male influence was
Speaker 3: just like picking the mice up and like moving them around,
Speaker 3: like yeah, just like them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to teach them how to like DAP. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's so it's like super informative because that's
Speaker 2: what you can't do to watch behaviors of animals. You
Speaker 2: just have to watch like a bunch of footage and
Speaker 2: record it and as it's strict of a measurement as
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 3: But it's like the sort of thing when we just
Speaker 3: we always bring up like when AI is used in
Speaker 3: a way that is like guys, not this like that
Speaker 3: we don't need a worse coke commercial. That's just a
Speaker 3: smoothie made of every previous co commercial. This would be
Speaker 3: like scroll through the six hundred hours to find the
Speaker 3: urination events. That's great. That that is a that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lot of that of like trying
Speaker 2: to automate some of these like image processing or video
Speaker 2: video processing things like that's something that like I even
Speaker 2: like worked on at the in one of my rotations
Speaker 2: or whatever on my PhD. But it's still sometimes there's
Speaker 2: qualitative things too that they want to observe and it depends.
Speaker 1: Like that chimp peeing or not. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: difficult AI task. Yeah you have to, you.
Speaker 2: Have to and like the duration and yeah, wait.
Speaker 1: Isn't this actually a storyline in that show Silicon Value
Speaker 1: where they design an app to see penis is import
Speaker 1: and then or for hot dogs and then it actually
Speaker 1: is able to identify penis is important for some great
Speaker 1: it's a great storyline. That show continues to be the
Speaker 1: most pressure show there is, but it's literally I loved that.
Speaker 2: I was in Obay when that was happening, and tech
Speaker 2: people were like that is us do you have?
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, oh it shouldn't be. All right, Well, Jody,
Speaker 3: it's been a pleasure having you on the show where
Speaker 3: can people will find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I host this political history show called This
Speaker 1: Day in Esoteric Political History from Radiotopia. We're trying to
Speaker 1: actually do more conversations about what we're going through right
Speaker 1: now through a historical lens. And I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: really happy with those conversations. Listeners have really enjoyed those,
Speaker 1: so you know, if you want to hear about weird
Speaker 1: historical moments, but then also kind of need a little
Speaker 1: help processing what we're going through and is this unprecedented.
Speaker 1: I host it with two actual historians. It's really a
Speaker 1: fun show, so I would encourage people to go check
Speaker 1: that out. And then one other silly thing that I'm
Speaker 1: doing but I've been enjoying is every week I get
Speaker 1: a New Yorker in the mail, and the New Yorker
Speaker 1: cover has a title. I don't know if you knew this,
Speaker 1: but every New Yorker cover has a title. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I've always played a game for myself where I
Speaker 1: try and guess the title and then I go flip
Speaker 1: open and see what the actual title is and see
Speaker 1: how close I am whether I like mine better or
Speaker 1: like theirs. But I'm doing that on my Instagram page
Speaker 1: now every week. So that is hit new series where
Speaker 1: I guess, try and guess the title of that week's
Speaker 1: New Yorker.
Speaker 3: So how's it going? How close? It's going?
Speaker 1: Great? H So far, it's been two weeks into the
Speaker 1: to the year, and I've had one where I liked
Speaker 1: my title better, one where I like their title better.
Speaker 3: The which was because there was the Elon Musk getting sworn.
Speaker 1: I liked their title. That's on my Instagram page.
Speaker 3: All right, is there a work of media that you've
Speaker 3: been enjoying? Is that the work of media that you've
Speaker 3: been in?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I guess that is the work. But no, the day
Speaker 1: we're recording this, Garth Hudson from the band died today,
Speaker 1: the last remaining member of the band. And I watched
Speaker 1: a really wonderful fahl God. I wish I could recall
Speaker 1: the name of the person who did it. But if
Speaker 1: you google Garth Hudson, or if you go to YouTube
Speaker 1: and search for Garth Hudson, one of the first things
Speaker 1: that come up was just a kind of really lovely
Speaker 1: tribute to to him and his contributions to the band
Speaker 1: and his sort of genuine weirdness and avant gardeists. And
Speaker 1: so I'm taking a moment to kind of enjoy his
Speaker 1: work in the band and all that.
Speaker 3: Right, Paul, wonderful having you. Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: And is there a working media you've been enjoying? Hi?
Speaker 2: Thank you? I am so.
Speaker 3: Out of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hi, Hi.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Hi, what's going.
Speaker 1: Faulted?
Speaker 3: Hi was like, you are on a pod day.
Speaker 2: I was looking at Garth Hudson. He lived to be
Speaker 2: eighty seven. Okay, that's beautiful. Uh there's also an English
Speaker 2: footballer named Garth Hudson. Okay. I I'm gonna be at
Speaker 2: Sketch Fest on Saturday, and I'm going to be on
Speaker 2: Comedian Clash with Jackie's Neil friend of the Pod, and
Speaker 2: I'm also co producing facial Recognition comedy at the Lost
Speaker 2: Church that night. Tickets are going fast. Please buy them.
Speaker 2: Please tell your friends to buy them. I am trying
Speaker 2: to find a work of media because I fully did
Speaker 2: not prepare for this. I'm on Blue Sky a lot more,
Speaker 2: but I'm noticing like people are kind of like going
Speaker 2: in between IT and Twitter a lot. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm going in between. Have you noticed you've been losing
Speaker 2: a lot of Twitter followers because of Eli?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah I have too, and because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people are quitting Twitter about It's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. There is a tweet from dex Dexerte and it
Speaker 2: says chapel Rone says she doesn't play first person mode
Speaker 2: on Fortnite because she wants to see her Ariana Grande skin,
Speaker 2: which I thought was cute because she's there. There are
Speaker 2: pop girlies and they're all we have right now.
Speaker 3: Mmm, I'm gonna pretend like I understand all the references.
Speaker 2: Really, you don't know that you can wear like a
Speaker 2: person's like skit as a character. So if you're not
Speaker 2: in first person mode, I don't know why. I know
Speaker 2: gamers references that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got that. The I know what a
Speaker 3: skin is, and I'm assuming there is an Ariana Grande one.
Speaker 3: I don't know what ties it all to her?
Speaker 2: Is wh Oh she's playing her white character Ariana Grande,
Speaker 2: no chapel Roun just plays Fortnite and she wants she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do first person mode because she likes
Speaker 2: viewing herself as Ariana Grande, which makes which made me happy.
Speaker 3: Okay, got it?
Speaker 2: They like to play each other. All these pop girls
Speaker 2: are getting lung. There was a time when they weren't.
Speaker 2: They're not nicking the watching each other.
Speaker 3: That is nice, all right, got it? Let's see. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to give a little further detail on
Speaker 3: something that Paul mentioned earlier. Grimes tweet him over the weekend.
Speaker 3: Just for my personal pride, I would like to state
Speaker 3: that the father of my children was the first American
Speaker 3: druid and Diablo DIABLOA to clear Abatois or Zeer and
Speaker 3: ended that season as best in the USA. He was
Speaker 3: also ranking in Polytopia and beat Felix himself at the game.
Speaker 3: I did observe these things with my own eyes. There
Speaker 3: are other witnesses who can verify this. That is all.
Speaker 3: And yes, Pokey Pup on Twitter tweeted for your personal pride, girl,
Speaker 3: this is so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at jack Underscore
Speaker 3: Brian and on Blue Sky at jack ob and the
Speaker 3: Number one. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist,
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Speaker 3: you can go to the episode wherever you're listening to this,
Speaker 3: check out the description and you can find the footnotes,
Speaker 3: which is where we link off to the information that
Speaker 3: we talked about in today's episode. We also link off
Speaker 3: to a song that we think you might enjoy. Super
Speaker 3: producer Justin Miles. Miles will be back by the way
Speaker 3: in the not too distant.
Speaker 2: Future, but it's like an Avengers movie. Miles will return.
Speaker 3: Miles will return, still sending a lot of good energy
Speaker 3: to him and his family. I was texting with him
Speaker 3: this morning. He's still very funny, which I don't know
Speaker 3: how he is still so funny at a time like this.
Speaker 2: Honestly pretty fucked up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Kind of a fucked up guy, you know.
Speaker 2: What, Miles, that's fun.
Speaker 3: But with Miles out, we like to turn to super
Speaker 3: producer Justin to recommend a song that he thinks people
Speaker 3: might enjoy. Super Producer Justin Conner, is there a song
Speaker 3: do you think people might enjoy? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I wanted to attempt to lift your spirits after a
Speaker 6: rough news cycle today by recommend this amazing song. It's
Speaker 6: called It's Not Easy by a band named Ofege and they.
Speaker 1: Were a group of high school in Mount Rushmore songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a group of.
Speaker 6: High school students like age fifteen to seventeen, which is
Speaker 6: really hard to believe after you hear the song. They
Speaker 6: were recording back in the seventies during the much overlooked
Speaker 6: psych rock movement in Legos, Nigeria. And it's got this nostalgic, fuzzy,
Speaker 6: peace loving, open hearted feeling to it. This is by
Speaker 6: far the most popular and accessible song. I don't even
Speaker 6: know if people listen to the songs I recommend on
Speaker 6: here half the time, but I highly suggest checking out
Speaker 6: their whole catalog because it's impossible not to love. And
Speaker 6: there's something very special about this song specifically, so that
Speaker 6: again is It's not easy by Opega, and you can
Speaker 6: find that song in the footnotes.
Speaker 2: Wait, I have a question. Do you guys have a
Speaker 2: tdz Spotify playlist of all the songs you recommended?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Really there I think there was at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought there was at one point.
Speaker 3: There was at one point. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: being kept up right sure or not.
Speaker 2: Well, I've just found new work for no pay.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you can one of your discord people into
Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah. I'm sure someone's right on it somewhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing song sounds wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best multiple votes.
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