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Speaker 1: We checked the mics. Good. Yeah, I do these in

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Speaker 1: black and white men who focus. Yeah, I like that,

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Speaker 1: Big Sean, my bro like something. Man, see you in

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Speaker 1: a minute to God, how you feel. I'm blessed, black

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Speaker 1: an intention before I do these conversations. So my intention

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five. Man, And I'm excited for this. Then, yeah,

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Speaker 2: how about you first? And foemost I'm doing pretty well.

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Speaker 2: It's life has been a lot lately though, I'm not

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Speaker 2: Like when you when you think about the grand scheme

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're on the.

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Speaker 2: Every other week I hear about like somebody getting like,

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm not even trying to

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Speaker 2: But if you think about it, when we leave our

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Speaker 2: That may not even none of that may be a factor.

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Speaker 1: Thinking about, you know now, like what we're doing right now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because I feel like if you're just

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Speaker 2: I always feel like when you're down, when you feel off,

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Speaker 1: You know what? I love? I asked you how are

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Speaker 2: You know, in therapy, they taught me to not just

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, like I said, you know, I'm writing

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Speaker 2: I'm just basically finished with it, finishing this album still

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Speaker 1: Oh, We're gonna get through all of that. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, who is Sean Michael Leonard Anderson in twenty

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm somebody who bro I'm just trying to figure

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Speaker 1: And I love anime. You know.

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Speaker 1: You know. So who is the rapper Big Sean in

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Speaker 2: The rapper Big Sean is somebody who is experiments and

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Speaker 2: why I'm excited about this album, because I do have songs.

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Speaker 3: That explore, like.

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Speaker 3: That I don't drop or the you know.

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Speaker 1: And say, you know, I asked you those those two

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Speaker 1: the Rapper is not in alignment with Sean anders and

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty good analysis.

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Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not aligned, It's that I'm a

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Speaker 3: A part of me, you know, and so is you know.

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Speaker 2: I know you've heard this song, but like a song

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Speaker 2: I like this album because I split it up into

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Speaker 1: I want to stay on the Clarity psc Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: And it is a conflicting thing because when you say

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Speaker 1: We all do.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, take advantage of your time now.

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Speaker 2: And that's been my biggest battle is because when I

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Speaker 1: This is a long form conversation. Cool cool, cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It right now before while I have the opportunity. You know.

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Speaker 1: Why you had to circle. Yeah, I said like happiness. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Pressure? And focus? And that I made that up.

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Speaker 1: do you rapping is your superpower? Putting words together is

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Speaker 3: People's heads are lyrical, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But when he came to the studio, he was just like, Bro,

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Speaker 1: So how did you interpret his words for.

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Speaker 1: You know, years ago you said that making music became

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so since the beginning. Let's go back to

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Speaker 2: rap was like the most popular you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: fifty saying, both our neighbors sold like my mom. My

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, coming home from school, to da coming out

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like just wild ass shit.

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Speaker 3: And I was the first person to.

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Speaker 2: But I really later found out that that it was

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Speaker 2: It meant so much to me, So I would do

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Speaker 2: You know, I got like a I had, especially then

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Speaker 2: Who told me, like, yo, like you got good grades,

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Speaker 2: like that's not even a reliable thing, like you're you know,

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Speaker 2: I got it though you know, I could see it.

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Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna happen. I just didn't know

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Speaker 2: And sometimes we don't have to worry about the how twos,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't forget your question. I'm gonna get to it.

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Speaker 2: So anyway I do, I meet yay, I wrap form.

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Speaker 2: Years go by without anything happening. But I knew it

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Speaker 2: Signed to good music all this stuff, even though he

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Speaker 3: Like, I knew it was.

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Speaker 2: Gonna happen, right, did everything I could to make it

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I finally make this happen. Do the freshman

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Speaker 2: cover all this stuff, drop these mixtapes, one mixtape, another mixtape,

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Speaker 2: another mixtape. I do the BT site forer with good

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Speaker 3: Followers overnight, it literally.

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Speaker 2: Then I work on my first album, get the first

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Speaker 2: Detroit mixtape, which was fire. Then I'm doing all the

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Speaker 2: like mercy click, all these different ideas that I'm literally

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Speaker 1: Plus people stole your flow, plus people still you didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all me the whole shut the fuck up

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Speaker 3: So it's like then I do my album and it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, the album isn't as good as it could

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Speaker 2: be whatever, And it wasn't because I was listening to

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Speaker 2: the neck. This is an opportunity, Like all this stuff right,

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Speaker 2: and they're right, but I lost completely lost sense of.

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Speaker 3: That's when it became a burden.

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Speaker 2: And then I dug deep because people were counting me out.

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Speaker 2: I made Dark scott Paradise, and to me, that was

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Speaker 2: So I did an EP with Jena twenty eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: and I was literally burnt the fuck out at that point.

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Speaker 2: I literally was touring, burnt the fuck out, just tired

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Speaker 3: So that completely would have my brain fried.

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Speaker 2: was taking all sorts of drugs, but I was taking adderall.

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00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,479
Speaker 2: But I'm just letting you know, all type of drugs

437
00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 2: do that. It's like it produces this artific show amount

438
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: of dopaminet where you can be hyper productive, but it's

439
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: not sustainable and then you'll crash out. And it made

440
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 2: me like hit a wall that it was like it

441
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 2: was either gonna follow me or I had to like

442
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: climb over. And that's when I fell back completely from everything.

443
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: That's when it was like it was hard for me

444
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 2: to do a conference call, you know what I'm saying, right,

445
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: So that is when from like twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.

446
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: That I was just like I was just off.

447
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: I was like, had the worst anxiety by posting a

448
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 2: picture on Instagram. Bro, you know, just weird shit that

449
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: you shouldn't even be thinking about so much.

450
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 1: And I just was what anxiety is. Yeah, and you

451
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: probably get more anxiety because you're like, yo, I prayed

452
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: for all of this, I got it, and I'm feeling

453
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: like I don't appreciate it.

454
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's confusing.

455
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's confusing because you feeling like you don't appreciate it,

456
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: and you feel like why do I feel like this

457
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: when I've literally exceeded my own My dream was to

458
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: have a song on the radio.

459
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: And to move my mom out of out of the hood.

460
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: So it's like everything else has been an extreme bonus, right,

461
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 2: So it was just was very confusing. And then I

462
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 2: realized that I just was so out of touch with

463
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: myself that I had to reconnect with myself. And I

464
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: linked with like people who helped me do that. At

465
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: my therapist, I linked with this lady Marie Diamond, who

466
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 2: really helped me like tapping spiritually with myself and like bro,

467
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: I would go like take trips to just connect with

468
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: myself and like meditate and like get spiritual and connect

469
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: with God more. And like I started working out, I

470
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: started just eating better, taking care of myself and just

471
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,239
Speaker 2: slowly returning back to who I was, trying things that

472
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I liked or like I would

473
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: go to the gun range, like oh shit, I've jumped

474
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: out of jumped out a plane.

475
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Skydiving, like I did a

476
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: lot of.

477
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: Things just reconnected with myself and it was it was

478
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: very very necessary.

479
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: I want to sleuth to your mom too, because what

480
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: you explained. There's a therapist name of Elliott Connie. He

481
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: does solution focused therapy and he talks about the astronaut theory.

482
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: Like when your kid comes to you and your kiss says, hey,

483
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: I want to be an astronaut. You don't be like, man,

484
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: you ain't never going to space. Ain't you know nobody

485
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: going to space? You say, oh, okay, how are we

486
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna do that? Let's do it. Yeah, I figure out

487
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: how to do it. That's what she did for.

488
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: You, man. And it's just like.

489
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: It makes me emotional because it's like, damn, it could

490
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: have went either way, you know. And there was definitely

491
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: times where I gave a faith in myself, you know,

492
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: another time. So we could go back a little bit

493
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: just to answer the question when that burnout happened of

494
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, that was my second experience with like depression,

495
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: and it made sense because there are substances involved too.

496
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: When I say that, like the adderall or even alcohol.

497
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't realize that alcohols are depressing.

498
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: So if you got any type of mental you like,

499
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: you know, any anxiety, any depression, It's not an instantaneous thing.

500
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: It could be weeks later that that shit has an

501
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: effect on you like that, you know. So anyway, we

502
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: go back to when I didn't go to college, right,

503
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: so let me paint that picture.

504
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: I didn't go to college.

505
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: Because I rapped for Ya in my junior year of

506
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: high school. For people who don't know, and I was

507
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: a telemarketer at the time.

508
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 3: I was like cashing my check.

509
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: It's like as a rap fairy tale story bro like,

510
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: I didn't cast my check, got down to the radio

511
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: station that I had been doing a show there for

512
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: a year and a half already called the Friday Night Cipher.

513
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: The Friday Night Cipher was a show where you were

514
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: battle rap people. You whoever wins the battle rap will

515
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: get to rap over instrumentals on air.

516
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 3: So I did that for a year straight. So I

517
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: had all these raps, you know what I'm saying.

518
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: So by the time when Yay's promoting his album Lay Registration,

519
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: my boy like, YO, go to the station rap for ya,

520
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.

521
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 3: Right, I end up downtown.

522
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: I lied and said I left my phone in the

523
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: station because I was there the night before.

524
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: They let me in.

525
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: I ended up rapping for him, and I had the

526
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: CD that I've been selling around school at the time,

527
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: and I had a press kid.

528
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: Bro. I was like very prepared, overly prepared. Hel JLB. No,

529
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: that wasn't jailb.

530
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: It was Hot Hot one oh seven back then it

531
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: was one on five point nine, Hot one Old, Hot

532
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: one Old. It's the hot station. I'm tripping right now. Anyway,

533
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: I rap for him. As we walking out the station,

534
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 2: He's like, yoa, I don't got time. He running late.

535
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: He had been there for a while. I'm like, bro,

536
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: let last call my ship. Blah blah blah. Yo story,

537
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 2: that's the only time I ever like cry listening to

538
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 2: a song type shit. He's like, all right, man, you're

539
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: gonna guilty, you know, like you cal rap while we're

540
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: walking out. I ended up rapping for like ten minutes straight. Like,

541
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: we ended up stopping at the at the entrance slash

542
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: exit at the station and he's just listening to me.

543
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: Right So anyway, time goes on.

544
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: He he you know, eventually I go to my senior

545
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: year of high school. No word from him, but we talked.

546
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm talking to don See here and there and nan

547
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: seeven keeping the contact.

548
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: Yo, what up big Sean? Yoll uh y'all.

549
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: We really Yo. We banging that new song.

550
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: You said, you know, shout out my boy don See

551
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 2: like I do a very good DWN scene in pressure.

552
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: But you know, Yeay was blowing up at the time,

553
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: so I understand. I didn't understand then, but I understand

554
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: now the spotty communication, you know. So anyway, we finally

555
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: get the word that they want to sign. And to

556
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: make a long story short, I ended up like turning

557
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: down on I graduated high school to three point like

558
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: seven GPA, and I turned down all the scholarships I

559
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: had to Michigan State and my family is a UFN family.

560
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: But I got accepted to Michigan State and had like

561
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: a lot of scholarships. So I was going to go

562
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: to Michigan State. Michigan State and all my friends go

563
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: to college. I'm still at the crib where I grew up,

564
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: like since I was eight years old, in the same room, right,

565
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: And at first I'm like, oh shit, okay, he said

566
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: he wanted to give me a record deal.

567
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: It was happening right.

568
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: A year goes by, bro, And in that year, I

569
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: have such a crazy deep depression because all my friends

570
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: are hitting up every couple of weeks, Yo, what's.

571
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: Up, man, what's up with the music?

572
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: She's like, I ain't been hearing none of about it.

573
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: You know.

574
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: I would go my beautiful grandma would have Sunday dinner

575
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: every Sunday, and.

576
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: She would every Sunday, what's going on with the music?

577
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: Baby?

578
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: Like you know, it was just it was hard, Bro.

579
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: I still feel scarred from those times.

580
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: Because you feel like a loser.

581
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: I felt like a loser.

582
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: And like the girl I was dating went to Michigan

583
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: State and I would meet when I'm in her family,

584
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, he's a rapper.

585
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: And they would be.

586
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: Like like okay, you know they thought that she could

587
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: do better.

588
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: And it was just like it was like a test

589
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: of my faith.

590
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: And you know, when you got that faith, you got

591
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: to walk on that invisible bridge of faith.

592
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: You don't see it, but you just know us there.

593
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: Right.

594
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: So anyway, Man, A year goes by and I realized, Okay,

595
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: I gotta be productive. So all these books my mom

596
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: been forcing on me, the seven Spiritual Laws of Success,

597
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: asking it is given by Estra and Jerry Hicks, the

598
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: Four Agreements, the Alchemists, all of these type books, classics.

599
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: I just fucking I'm like, let me just dive into

600
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: these books.

601
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: I had a desperation for real, and I started meditating

602
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: and I just started seeing it, Bro, And then I

603
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I had found this list before I

604
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: wrapped for Ya that I wrote down because I was

605
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: lightway into it.

606
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: But I just was busy, you know.

607
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: I was a high school in high school, and I

608
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: saw this list where it said Good Music number one,

609
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: number two, Rockefeller number three, Shady Records number four, Grand

610
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: Hustle number five, Innerscope. Like I just had a list

611
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: of like these are the top five labels I want

612
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: to be signed to, and Good Music was number one,

613
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: and I saw that. I was like, yo, I'm on

614
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: that path. It was like one of them omens that

615
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: it was just one little thing I needed to realize. No, God,

616
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: I could do this.

617
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: Bro. I met Yay in rap for him.

618
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: I ain't say you wanted to sign me, So I

619
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: just manifested and visualized the paperwork coming in all this time.

620
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: But in that time, Bro, in that one year, I

621
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: was so depressed that I just wanted to give.

622
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Up bad and I give up on life for just

623
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: the rap.

624
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: Just on the rap.

625
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: So of course you when you depressed, you always think

626
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: about killing yourself. But I wasn't being that dramatic then.

627
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: But I just was like, Okay, I'm.

628
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: Done, you know.

629
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: And I remember I applied for community college, and I

630
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: remember my grandma was like, yeah, it just applied for

631
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: community college, like it's okay.

632
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: You know.

633
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: And I just remember my mom being like, you know,

634
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: like what are you doing? You know, and it was

635
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: it was a moment dog, you know what I'm saying.

636
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: But she didn't want you to go to commuity college.

637
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: She didn't want to give up on your dream.

638
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was just like, yo, what do you doing?

639
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: You know? You know, any tissue.

640
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: That's cool, it's cool.

641
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Man.

642
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: So anyway, bro its just when I said, it could

643
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: have went either way. Could have went either way, you

644
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I'm just thankful for that

645
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: I had these guardian angels in my life, like my

646
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: mom just come in a former any anything, you know,

647
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: a book or you know what I'm saying.

648
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: So that's why that's important. I mean, just his parents

649
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: like Yo, when your kids come to you with a dream,

650
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: with a vision, yeah, even if you can't see it,

651
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: just no, that's God telling something to that child. So

652
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: you our job is just to support that dream. Yeah.

653
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: Like so I just appreciate her being so open minded

654
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: about that bro and like willing to support her baby.

655
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: And like she went into debt.

656
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: You know, I would see her cry over bills and stuff,

657
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: and so she wouldn't ever complain about paying for something

658
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: for the studio for me though, you know, and still

659
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: would cry about bills that night. So it's just it's

660
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: cool because you know. Another story is was she a

661
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: hip hop fan? That's something you got to ask her.

662
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: She didn't really play hip hop that much. You know,

663
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: she was somebody who we would have it on, like

664
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: on the radio and stuff. But I remember when I

665
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: bought the Slim Shady LP, she was like confused, like

666
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: what the fucking She.

667
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: Didn't even know he was from Detroit, And.

668
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, I remember I had her at the video

669
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: shoot when I just did a song with him, and

670
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: she was like, you remember when we bought I was like, yeah,

671
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, from co or whatever. The thing

672
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: about that though, that I want to say is me

673
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: and her have fell out, Me and my mom, you know,

674
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: after all the stuff we've been through, And it was

675
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: definitely it was that time where I'm talking about where

676
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: I was like just burnt out right, and she ended

677
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: up coming out to visit me because we needed to

678
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: rekindle our relationships. She wasn't about to let that happen

679
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: with her baby boy, feel me, so she came out

680
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: and stayed with me in October twenty nineteen, and she

681
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to stay for the whole winter.

682
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I'll leave on your birthday in March twenty two. So

683
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: March twenty twenty comes around and then coch Evinson's right,

684
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: So my mom was like, I'll just stay until this

685
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: is over. It's probably gonna be another month or two.

686
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Bro.

687
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: She ended up staying for almost two more years, and

688
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: me and her in my crib.

689
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: So it's like, look at God, Look at God.

690
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: It was like we not only did we reconnect, it

691
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: was like a reconnection that's going to last for the

692
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: rest of my life now, Like we back tight, you know,

693
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: and we had we have We had not been that tightened, don't.

694
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't talk to her every day or nothing like that.

695
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: But me and my mom just are like I feel

696
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: like that was a blessing in disguise, you know, and

697
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: the fact that I said, like it could have gone

698
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: either way. That's been like the biggest pleasure is like

699
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: having her be with me and like believe in me,

700
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: and like everyone else too. I ain't gonna like my dad,

701
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: my brother, like everyone. Everyone stepped up and played their part,

702
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: and I just I appreciate that.

703
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: Man.

704
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: So it's like when I think about my son coming

705
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: to me, like I can't wait to nurture whatever he

706
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: wanted to be. You feel me, whether it's like an astronaut,

707
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: a doctor, a scientist.

708
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: He feeds me like y'all want to be the.

709
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Best manager at McDonald's. Whatever, We're gonna make you do,

710
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is.

711
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Calvin, Remember Calvin McDonald's commercials period.

712
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like whatever you want to do. Like, I just

713
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: can't wait to support him.

714
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we were here now with the new

715
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: album Better Meeting You. What's the science in that title? Man?

716
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Better Meeting You kind of just represents like my mentality

717
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: of when you have to be someone that changes your

718
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: whole environment, your whole family, breaks a cycle, changes the

719
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: whole trajectory of your circle. It's like sometimes you got

720
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: to deal with the extra pressure, the extra weight of

721
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: it all, and the extra just bullshit, right, But it's

722
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: like you really got to understand you don't got to

723
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: do it. You get to do it, and it's a

724
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: privilege when you can step up and you're the one

725
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: that's able to handle it, you know what I'm saying.

726
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: So when I hold my son and when I think

727
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: about that, it's like better me than you having to

728
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: deal with all of these things right now. But and

729
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: sometimes that's only his mama too, But when it's his

730
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: time to deal with it, cause he's gonna come into

731
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: being a man one day that he accepts the responsibility

732
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: probably of stepping up to the play, you know what

733
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean, and really highlighting you as an individual, like

734
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm a better meeting you could ever be. So to me,

735
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: it is like probably my truest album in the sense

736
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: of just doing whatever I want to do, you know

737
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: what I mean.

738
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: You started off with a record called Apologize and you

739
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: sample Ray J the Breakfast Club moment.

740
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, no no, no, no, yes, yeah that moment.

741
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: And so you addressed a lot of things on that record.

742
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, someone who seemed to be stealing from you,

743
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: someone who tried to suck your girl, somebody that's supposed

744
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: to be Big Bro. You said, you don't even want

745
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: them to apologize. What's wrong with here? And I'm sorry, man,

746
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: it ain't nothing wrong with it.

747
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: But an apology without a plan attached to it is

748
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: a is an empty is an empty apology, and that

749
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: ain't shit.

750
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say the best apology is changed behavior, you

751
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

752
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: So it's like people apologize and do the same thing.

753
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: For that song.

754
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: Specifically, I kind of like put five people into one person.

755
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: So it was a good writing exercise for me because

756
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: I created a character for this song, and it's like

757
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: five different people I made into one person, and then

758
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: I wrote the song as if that person existed.

759
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, So these people gonna know who they are,

760
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: all of them?

761
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: Wow yeah, wow, Yeah, all of them for sure.

762
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: But a lot of people when they hear it, they'd

763
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's directly at Yay, it's for sure

764
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: about Kanye.

765
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: And I thought that would do. When I heard the

766
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: big Bro line, I'm like nah, because he said he

767
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: was looking out for Big Bro, and you have to

768
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: pay big bro lloyal for you. That wouldn't make no sense.

769
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: That wouldn't make no sense. Man, you really was listening. Yeah,

770
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: a lot of people when they hear they don't all

771
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: the way. I'll be wondering if people have ears sometimes

772
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: that work, because he would just be like even when

773
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: I dropped.

774
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: That freestyle, just having fun, people like you.

775
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Just in Keimdrick Lamar, Oh, we're gonna get through that,

776
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: damn nigga.

777
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Like I literally said, niggas looking for engagement, like they

778
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: got they need band.

779
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: I got better things to do to find someone.

780
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: To be people. They're like, oh, he's trying.

781
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: To be Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck are y'all

782
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: not hearing? I just said I got better things to do.

783
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.

784
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: I want to get to that. This is a multi

785
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: leided interview.

786
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but yeah, about that song apologized that was

787
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing about it. It's about like five

788
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: different people manifesting into one and did a writing exercise.

789
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I was telling you, you know, we was talking behind

790
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: the scenes that I really like when you and your

791
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: your bag, like when you're doing stuff like break the cycle,

792
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: like those self reflective records, and I can tell you've

793
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: been doing you know, your work on your healing journey,

794
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: and you expressed it in these records. And on that

795
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: record Break the Cycle, you said Leena Wafe said you

796
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: was the Black brad Pit and you said, even though

797
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: that's flattering, you was asking her, is just what people

798
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: think of me? Like I just go from one star

799
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: to another star? Like why did that bother you?

800
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: Out of consolation or it bothered me?

801
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Because that's not who I am for really, you know,

802
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm not in it. I'm not just hopping. And but

803
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: to her, it was like, yeah, nigga, you went from her.

804
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: I heard it.

805
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: Her reason is, yeah, that's not that's not cool, Like

806
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: that's not how I like planted out.

807
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't you know what I'm saying. So I just

808
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: was highlighting that, like I told her.

809
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: I actually saw her recently and was like, yo, I

810
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: mentioned you about that situation, but it just well I

811
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: didn't sit right with me.

812
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: That ain't That ain't how I'm trying to come across.

813
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, you want people to respect you for the art.

814
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: Well not yeah, of course respect me for the art,

815
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: but I also know want people to just think like

816
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: those are the only type of first of all, the

817
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: only type of women I'm into one, you know what

818
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean. That's not That's not how I'm trying to

819
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: come across.

820
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: That's the world though. It's like if you work at

821
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: a law firm, you probably gonna end up dating a lawyer,

822
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

823
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: It makes sense, Yeah, it makes sense in that in

824
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: that way, but I just didn't want it to be like, oh,

825
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: I only like singers, or I only fuck with this

826
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: or there. There are a lot of people I've dated

827
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: that people don't know about, that have nothing to do

828
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: with the music industry, that have nothing to do with

829
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: anything in that world that I've kept private before.

830
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

831
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I just want to state that because, yeah, that's that's

832
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: why I felt the way about it, because it's like

833
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: I didn't feel that was an accurate picture of me.

834
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: You know.

835
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: That's why I addressed that.

836
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: When I heard that line and you brought up Kendrick,

837
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: it made me think of a line Kendrick had in

838
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: a record that got leaked when he said, You're finally

839
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: famous for who you date, not how you rhyme? Boy.

840
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: When you heard that ball did you, did you get

841
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: any rhymes prepared? And did it have the same reaction

842
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: that you had when Lena said that do all right?

843
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, because those are two questions.

844
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: When I first heard that, I definitely had a whole

845
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: thing prepared.

846
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: So let's let's let's back this up.

847
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: So I did a song called No More Interviews where

848
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 2: I'm rapping about people rapping fast and blah blah blah,

849
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: and people like.

850
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh, you talking about Kendrick.

851
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm not talking about anyone specifically, I'm

852
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: just talking my shit. At the time, there was a

853
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: lot of motherfuckersrap. I'm surprised no one thought Eminem or

854
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: I remember Logic was hot at the mgat you know

855
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: all these other rappers that rap fast, and I'm like,

856
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: this Thingker Kendrick don't even rap fast all the time.

857
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Like it's other people who be rapping fast all the time.

858
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: But I definitely was like not running from or ducking

859
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: no type smoke at all. Like, so when I heard

860
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: that there might be, you know, some remnants of something,

861
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I did have something prepared.

862
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.

863
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: And then I ran into Day Free in the elevator

864
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: at W and me and I'm like, yo, was that

865
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: I forgot what the controls?

866
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 3: No?

867
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: No, no, this was way after because okay, so, by

868
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: the way Kendrick has been in my house, me and

869
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: him are cool by he's inviting me to his mom's house.

870
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Before this was like my old house. We were cooler

871
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: back then. Let me say that because I'm not gonna

872
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: sit here and be like we cool. I don't talk

873
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: to him, but I remember, I'm just get breaking down

874
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: the timeline. I remember when in I dropped, I decided

875
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: and bounced back and all this stuff, and he dropped.

876
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: He was dropping his album, damn. And I can't remember

877
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: what freestyle. I guess it was the hard Part or.

878
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: Five maybe something like that.

879
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: And people like, oh, he's talking about Big Sean in there, right,

880
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: so I ran, I run in it.

881
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: I hit Hip top Dog first. I'm like, yo, who are.

882
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: You talking about? He's talking about that. He's just talking

883
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: to me, just throwing the bone out there right.

884
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Why you just didn't have Kendrick? Why not think Kendrick

885
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: when you talking about me?

886
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: Because I didn't think I had his right number.

887
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: I think I did hit him first, and like, I'm like,

888
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: I don't have I got top number because he had

889
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: just had me come out of his charity event like

890
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: a year ago or something in Watts, you know what

891
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I'm thinking, we like straight, you know

892
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So then no, no, no, I went

893
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: about you went about you?

894
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: All right? Cool.

895
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: So the little shit I had, I just was like,

896
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: let me, let me get out of my head cause

897
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like it might be something.

898
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: So you had a song.

899
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: I had this to some ideas, you know what I'm saying,

900
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Just awesome, just to be real with you, Like, I

901
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: have some ideas, you know, mapped out.

902
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: So then Nipsey Dies.

903
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Joe Budden had created this Like before that, Joe Budden

904
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: had made this like there's a Kendrick big Sean beef

905
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: and to the point where I tried to ignore it,

906
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: but he made that narrative so fucking real that I

907
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: think it really did become a thing.

908
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: So like he wasn't all the way wrong though you

909
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: said it might have been something in the air.

910
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I'm getting to the point where me

911
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: and Kendrick talker. So I get to the point where

912
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, dude, we got something going on. That's

913
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: why I had something prepared, right, And then when I

914
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: run in the day free and he's like, no, bro,

915
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: it ain't nothing like saul I love. He said something

916
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: like that wasn't directly towards you. It was for anyone,

917
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: you know.

918
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

919
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: So then Nipsey dies and I sit on the plane

920
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: next to Punch random as hell. We're headed to J

921
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: Cole's festival, and he's like, you ever talked to Kendrick

922
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I never. I know it ain't

923
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: ship there, but we never really spoke. Then in that

924
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: around that time, like that day, or maybe the day

925
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: before that, or the week or day within that same

926
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: time period, that leaked shit happened. It was a leaked

927
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: verse and it said what you said. I'm like, damn, nigga, y'all,

928
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: motherfucker said it wasn't shitt and it was something So

929
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: you got me looking crazy.

930
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: But maybe he prepared something just like the same way

931
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: you were thinking. He was like, you know, let me

932
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: get my nukes just in case two. Right.

933
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: But the thing is that song came out and he

934
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: changed that bar, right, So that wasn't on the song anymore.

935
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: It was leaked verse, so I had to keep that

936
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: in mind, because I was pissed when I heard it.

937
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, okay, he changed that on his own,

938
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: so he probably came to the conclusion that it was nothing.

939
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: So then I speak. Then me and him talk, and

940
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: I got the text on my phone and he's like,

941
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: I might pull the text out, and why not, Oh

942
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: I ain't even got my somebody else got.

943
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: My phone phone. Essentially need to misquote him.

944
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't trying to misquote shit because I don't

945
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: give a fuck that much the misquoting.

946
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: And how long ago this used to right after? Okay,

947
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: So I mean you can read my stuff too.

948
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: Don't read it, no, no, no, no, I don't think we

949
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: should read it because I think that's kind of like

950
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: Big James. But I want you to kind of like

951
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: see the sentiment of it.

952
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: Oh p, So this is me and then this is

953
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 3: him went up. You know, yes, we're in great grievance.

954
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: That's right, wrongly, So in a sense, I don't want

955
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: to say it.

956
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: He apologized in a sense for going that far, you know,

957
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: for that shit coming out right, So I wanted to

958
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: show you that because in a sense he apologized, right,

959
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: So if Kendrick apologized for that literal, that same leak

960
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: that I heard prematurely right that.

961
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 3: He didn't use.

962
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: It's like.

963
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: Then it then it leaks fully later, right, and people

964
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: hear it. And we already discussed it, and he said,

965
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: appreciate the shout out on a Nipsey song.

966
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: I already addressed it on the song with Ni.

967
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: Lack of communication, the wrong information for people feel about

968
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: the ego.

969
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: It's like mixing fans with diesel.

970
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: That's what he said to you, and no, that's what

971
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I said on.

972
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: The song with Nipsey.

973
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: In the text, it sounds like he's kind of said

974
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the same thing.

975
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said it in the song because

976
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: in that text he said, Yo, you know, my ego

977
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: got to die. So it's like when that shit leaks,

978
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: it's like people are like, oh.

979
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: You heard what he's saying about you.

980
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, nigga, I'm not a cloud chasing ass nigga. Bro,

981
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: I'm solid and I stand on mine and I'm not

982
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: about to do something because everyone thinks a certain thing.

983
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: Like we already talked about it. I already got an

984
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: apology for it.

985
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: And your shirt right now, since I do not care

986
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: about their opinions Yeah, why would you care about the

987
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: opinions of other people if you know what it is

988
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: between you and.

989
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's what it's been.

990
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: You know, I ain't really had too much communication with

991
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: him since then, and you know, but I just want

992
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: to let like, I represent a lot of people from

993
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: my city, from where I come from, fans of mine

994
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: who think I didn't stand on my ship, and that's

995
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: not the case.

996
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: That's what I want to clarify.

997
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't being a bitch nigga or like tucking my

998
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: tail or nothing like that. And if it was real smoke,

999
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: if it was really something to stand on, I would

1000
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: be full front. I would be there, front and center

1001
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: for it, and I would be prepared, you know what

1002
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But it's not and people want to make

1003
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: something that is not. So that's something that I never

1004
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: really got a chance to clarify. And you know, to me,

1005
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: it's better to be about business and to be authentic

1006
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: and like, if there's literally not a problem there, then

1007
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: I'm not about to feed into no narrative that isn't

1008
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 2: true that I know isn't true.

1009
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Drake and Kendrick situation be

1010
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it stepped over stepped on

1011
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: your return because because you dropped precision precision, yeah, and

1012
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: didn't like that dropped like a week later, and it

1013
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: feels like it just drown dropped the same day. It

1014
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: was the same day, but you did drop a freeestot

1015
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: a week before though my tripping.

1016
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: I dropped it like a two days before.

1017
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feel like it drowned. It feels like it drowned,

1018
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: like that just drowned that out.

1019
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: It did drown it out.

1020
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: Bro.

1021
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: It was like, but you got to think about it

1022
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: if it's like metro booming in future And then Kendrick

1023
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: addressing j Cole and Drake my first person shooter, you're

1024
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of involving a whole kind of like it's a

1025
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: whole thing. It's like a whole you know, as opposed

1026
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: to me. I hadn't even dropped music in years, bro,

1027
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: and I'm just like a return, So I understood it

1028
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: was I was surprised too. I was just like everybody else, like,

1029
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: oh shit, Like you know.

1030
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: Aren't you glad that you and Kendrick never really got

1031
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: into it though, because that could have been you Sean,

1032
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: that could be what could have been he did drake

1033
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: pretty dirty?

1034
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: He did?

1035
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: That could have been Would you have been ready for

1036
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: all of that?

1037
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: I guess we'll never know.

1038
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, of course I would have been ready

1039
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: for it. But what changes have you made to better

1040
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: meet than you since the album got Well.

1041
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: Luckily it wasn't the album. It was kind of like

1042
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: a couple of things from the album, you know, Luckily

1043
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't the album, So I think whoever did that though,

1044
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like it was just kind

1045
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: of fucked up to do.

1046
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: Like I don't know why.

1047
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: You know, they said, oh, you was talking about Yeah.

1048
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, was talking about me too, you know what.

1049
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: So it's like we all saw drink champs. Yeah, what

1050
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the fuck did you find out who leaked the album?

1051
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: And what made you have to get on Instagram Live

1052
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: and clear up that it wasn't Kanye?

1053
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: Oh nothing made me do that.

1054
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: I just was like on Instagram Live vibing and I

1055
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: saw someone in the comment or some shit, and like

1056
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: it just popped in my head, Like I didn't have

1057
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: like a script ready for Instagram Live. But I just

1058
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: don't think that Ya would do some shit like that,

1059
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: because maybe I'm giving him too much credit. I don't know,

1060
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: because it's like I know, I wouldn't do no shit

1061
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: like that, Like I wouldn't leak, like I got a

1062
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: hell of Kanye's songs unreleased on my hard drive.

1063
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: I would never because ideas that.

1064
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: I was working on or seeing if I could contribute

1065
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: to that, I would never leak because that's just like,

1066
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: that's just uh. Since now this is not my character.

1067
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: Have you spoken him since then?

1068
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: Since drink Champ?

1069
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: No, since the well really since the album leaked? I

1070
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: guess nah, okay, nah? How was your relationship now?

1071
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: And can you have a relationship with a person who

1072
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: shitted on you the way he did on Drink Champs

1073
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: and he owes you six million dollars? Can y'all ever

1074
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: have a genuine relationship?

1075
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: He doesn't owe me the money anymore. It got resolved,

1076
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: but someone paid me. I guess it was him.

1077
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: But word, yeah, but I took a little less than

1078
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: I probably. I just wanted to end it instead of

1079
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: going to court for some ship over that.

1080
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: What was the haircut? It was six minutes, What was

1081
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the head of What was the head cut? How much

1082
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: did you end up getting?

1083
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: Let's see, that is none of your business.

1084
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: But You're good though, y'all he did pay you basically.

1085
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, So the thing was I had an issue,

1086
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: and I had an issue because I kept privately being like, yo,

1087
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: I need my money to his lawyers, to him, not

1088
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: to not really bringing it to him so much because

1089
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: I know the type of guy he is. He don't

1090
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: be dealing with all of the business aspect of things

1091
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: all the time, you know what I'm saying.

1092
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: So I'm doing it properly.

1093
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm going through the proper channels management that like, you

1094
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then after years go by,

1095
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: it's not like I was super hurting for it. But

1096
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like, first of all, and

1097
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to get it misconstrued, like signing to

1098
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: Good Music was the best thing that could have happened.

1099
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: To me in that moment in my life period. I

1100
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: don't take it for granted.

1101
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: It was a golden opportunity signing to my favorite artists

1102
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: at the time and being able to sell one hundred

1103
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: and eighty five.

1104
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: Million records under Good Music. You know what I'm saying.

1105
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: It was a dream come true and his only profitable

1106
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: artists at that So it's like I wore that good

1107
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: music and still do. I still fuck with the brand

1108
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: and what it did for me and everything, And there's

1109
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: a part of me that will forever fuck with ya

1110
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: because of that too.

1111
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: For signing me. You know, I'll never discount that.

1112
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, with the deal I signed,

1113
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: he made more money off of me my music to me,

1114
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: which is totally fine.

1115
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm not complaining about that. It's just a fact.

1116
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: People be trying to take this so much as a fact.

1117
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: It's just a fucking fact. So when your old money

1118
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 2: off of a deal that you're already getting the lesser

1119
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: part of.

1120
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: It, and you're hitting.

1121
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm hitting up Death Jam because I'm audered in Depth Jam.

1122
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 2: Jeff Harlston. You know, Jeff, I'm like, Yo, I need

1123
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: my money, bro, Like, where the fuck is my money?

1124
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Because I'm audered in Depth Jam. Every time I ordered

1125
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Depth Jam, there's money sitting there. And then when I

1126
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: really broke it down and they were like, oh, yo,

1127
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: you sold one hundred and eighty five million records, I'm like, wait,

1128
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: this don't equate right, where's mobi million dollars? Six million dollars.

1129
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: No one's getting back to me. No one's getting back

1130
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: to me. So then I drop a record, I drop

1131
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: a feature on Bunnie to Benny the Butcher's album, and

1132
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: I say something about it like niggas that's up, beas

1133
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: that owe me? M's I'm talking about depth jam. Later

1134
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: on I realized, oh no, your money got paid a

1135
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: long time ago to good music. Okay, I don't give

1136
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: a fuck. Where's my money? Oh no, you got to

1137
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: hit up yay for that? Oh shit, okay, yay, where's

1138
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: my money? Oh you know, I'm not getting a straight

1139
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: answer from no one. So then I'm like, bro, y'all

1140
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: playing with my money. This is ridiculous after all of

1141
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: the times where I sat in the studio contributed, not

1142
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 2: got any credit on shit, which is, like I said,

1143
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm not even complaining about that is what it is.

1144
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: But the point is like I need my money that's

1145
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: owed to me, you know what I'm saying. So that

1146
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: was that's all that was. I ended up settling because

1147
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: I ain't want to deal with it no more. I

1148
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: wanted to move past it because that shit is all

1149
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: the energy too m h. So you know, and after

1150
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: he said what he said, and then I got back

1151
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: up with him after he said what he said on Drink.

1152
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: Champs, y'all did connect after drink Chap, Yeah, and.

1153
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm just person phone in person Yeah, and he said,

1154
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, he said what he said.

1155
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not into like godshipp and stuff.

1156
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: But he said what he said, and it made me

1157
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: realize that I can't really take I couldn't really take

1158
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: all what he was saying serious or on that drink Champs.

1159
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: Very performative, very performative, And that's the That's how I am.

1160
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: That's like probably one of the reasons why, like I

1161
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: feel like that's what I'm not. That's what he's good at,

1162
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: and I'm not so good at that, you know, because

1163
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm like I don't like doing things that don't feel

1164
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: real or like you know where you know, when we

1165
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: were there, it was like, oh yeah, make sure they get.

1166
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: A picture of us leaving here so they can I'm like,

1167
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: what nigga, you saying something?

1168
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Wow?

1169
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: That shit about me though, you know what I mean, Like,

1170
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: I hate that sucking shit.

1171
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: I don't like that type shit. I don't like the

1172
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: type of I don't know, like.

1173
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person I value my relationships. Yeah,

1174
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: So if I've ever called you a friend. If I've

1175
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: ever called you a family, I really mean that. So

1176
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: if you do something like that to me, and I

1177
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: would never do that to you, it's hard for me

1178
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: that would look at you the same. EMBO.

1179
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was just pissed because he felt

1180
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: like I chose Drake over him. That that relates back to, like,

1181
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 2: I only bring that up because he brought that up

1182
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: to somebody who told me something you said, Drake. I'm

1183
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: like in twenty fifteen talking about the song Blessings where

1184
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: I wrote helped Yay write his verse for the song

1185
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: after he heard the song was I have to be

1186
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: on it, and I helped him write his verse and

1187
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: then I told him you got to turn it into

1188
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: the master and plan tomorrow, bro, because my album is

1189
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: about to come out. I wake up the next By

1190
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: the way, I'm doing way too much as an artist,

1191
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: like I shouldn't even have to be worried about it

1192
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: like this. I'm checking in like an A and R.

1193
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: Would Hey, did he send a verse to mastering? Oh no,

1194
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: he still didn't. I called his engineer, yo. Did he say,

1195
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: oh no, we still I'm like, bro y'all bush y'all

1196
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: playing if he wants to be on a song, you

1197
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: need to send it. We ended up doing a video

1198
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: version and the radio version. But for some reason, he

1199
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: thinks because Drake didn't want him on that song. But

1200
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm putting ya on this song anyway,

1201
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: because Yay put me on. If he wants to be

1202
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: on the song, He's going to be on the song.

1203
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: So even though I've said that to his face, he

1204
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: just don't hear me or some shit. So for some

1205
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: reason he just think that I would be unloyal or

1206
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: some shit. I really don't know. I can't speak for him.

1207
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: In fact, I don't like speaking for other people. But

1208
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm just from my perspective, it was something along those

1209
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: lines with.

1210
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: That manager rap Egos is crazy.

1211
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about all of that?

1212
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think that you should have done what

1213
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: was best for you and your album in that moment.

1214
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, sometimes when you deal with

1215
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: anxiety and you do about the depression, because I deal

1216
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: with the same thing with people. Please us and we

1217
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: don't want to let people down, right, but then we're

1218
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: the ones that constantly ended up getting let down, Like

1219
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta burst it. I want to talk

1220
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: about later on. It says something like that, but.

1221
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's true though, Bro, it's like I

1222
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: be giving a fuck too much about these people that

1223
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: don't give.

1224
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: A fuck none. I mean, I don't know.

1225
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 3: I can't speak from like I said, but it's.

1226
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: Like I be trying to protect people too much, just like,

1227
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: but it's not in my character to put people ship

1228
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: out there and be dirty like that. That's really not

1229
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: who I am. And I say that with pride, you know.

1230
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: I don't say that like it's just not that's not

1231
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: who I am.

1232
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: So especially if I'm spending all this time doing all

1233
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: this work on myself, and I can look at you

1234
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: and tell that you need to do a lot more

1235
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: work on yourself, so you have grace for that person. Yeah,

1236
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: but that don't mean that you could have continually, continuously

1237
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of person that shit on you no period.

1238
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Looking back on your experiences with depression and anxiety, do

1239
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: you believe it had a negative impact on your career?

1240
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Do you believe that everything happened exactly how it was

1241
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: supposed to?

1242
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: They gotta be how everything happened exactly how it's supposed to,

1243
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: because if anything would have been different, it may have

1244
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: not let me to the moment that I'm in now,

1245
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: where I got a beautiful son, I got a beautiful life,

1246
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: and I got a lot of experiences, and I got

1247
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: a lot of knowledge. And if things would have happened differently,

1248
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: who knows what it could have turned out as.

1249
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 3: But you know, I think everything happens how it's supposed

1250
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: to happen.

1251
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Sure, let's talk about your son. On the new album,

1252
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: you got a song where you sample get on Up,

1253
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: and on that record you address your son. One of

1254
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: the balls that really stood out to me is I

1255
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: look into my son's eyes and still see his innocence.

1256
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: I see my inner child and him instilled the remnants.

1257
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: Will he lose it to the world or is it imminent?

1258
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Or will he have the confidence that me and his

1259
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: mom instilled in him? So it made me wonder when

1260
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: I heard that line. I'm like, damn, are you raising

1261
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: your son out of fear or love?

1262
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm raising him out of love one thousand percent. Like

1263
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: that's a good question though, because it kind of does

1264
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: contemplate that. But the thing about the difference between fears

1265
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: when those questions arise is the action you take on them.

1266
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: To me, so like me recognizing that, Like, you know,

1267
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: I look at too my son's I see his innocence,

1268
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: I see my inner child to him is still the remnants?

1269
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: Will he lose it to the world is imminent? Or

1270
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: is it something that me and his MoMA had instilled

1271
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: to him? And the confidence you lose you could build again.

1272
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: It's like I kind of feel like, even though there

1273
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: is a having a kid for me has been one

1274
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: of the most like scariest things, most beautiful but scariest

1275
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: in a way of like it's a new territory of

1276
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: new emotions that I didn't even know I could have,

1277
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: Like the way that I love my son and like

1278
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: feel connected to him in all moments and consider him

1279
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: and like has transformed me for the better. And it's

1280
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: also like a very soft spot. It's like that, it's

1281
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: like I could do without anything. I can't do without him,

1282
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I thank God every

1283
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: day for his like presence and him waking up in

1284
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: his health, and like, you know, I got these affirmations

1285
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: I say every day, and like I'm real serious about

1286
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: it because I really appreciate who he is and what

1287
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: he's here to do. You know, I think he's here

1288
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: to do some great things. But I definitely am raised

1289
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: him out of love, you know, and any fear, it's

1290
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: not really fear, but any time where there's uncertainty, I

1291
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: have to trust that it's all going to work out

1292
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: for the best, you.

1293
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: Know, because you know, we as black men. And I

1294
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: always say this from the perspective of my father, Like

1295
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: I know, my father raised me how to more fear

1296
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: and love just because he didn't want me to make

1297
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: the same mistakes he made. He was just afraid of

1298
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: what the world may do to me.

1299
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why I think I think a lot

1300
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: of our parents, I think a lot of us were

1301
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: raised out of fear and a fear based way. And

1302
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: what I mean by that is like even my dad

1303
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: just like I remember one of the things he would

1304
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: always say, it's like, man, life isn't fair.

1305
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: That's a belief that.

1306
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 2: You're a meeting passing down to your son, like life

1307
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: is a fair. It's just hard out here, and that's

1308
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: his experience. But it's like, you know, like you gotta

1309
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: work hard. That's one thing that I'm not necessarily gonna

1310
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 2: steal in my son. It's like I've seen my dad

1311
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: and my mom have two jobs, four jobs between them,

1312
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: and they be broke as hell and they be like

1313
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: in debt.

1314
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: And then I've.

1315
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: Seen billionaires who work an hour day. It got all

1316
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: this money, and it's not about how hard you work.

1317
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: That's maybe a factor of it, that may be a

1318
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: part of it, but it's really about how smart you work,

1319
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: you know.

1320
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 3: And I think that.

1321
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to project anything onto my son. All

1322
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: I want to do is just support him whatever he does.

1323
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: But I think like another one was the fear of money.

1324
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: Like I got that from my family growing up, Like

1325
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: we didn't have a lot of money, right, so it's like, oh,

1326
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: you gotta really be, you know, conservative, and it has

1327
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: taught me a lot. Talk about it on Break the

1328
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: Cycle with Charlie Wilson on my album. But it's the

1329
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: fear of of scarcity, you know, not having enough that

1330
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: I you know, somehow nowadays, I just kind of have

1331
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: an agreement with God and like that no matter what,

1332
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm always because I always have more than enough to

1333
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: take care of myself and the people around me that

1334
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, I choose to take care of.

1335
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: And I truly believe that.

1336
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: How has your relationship with Jannay and being a father

1337
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: changed the way you approached you approach life.

1338
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: It's taught me to.

1339
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: Not it's like you have to consider more than just

1340
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: yourself and you have to you know, Janey has definitely

1341
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: taught me to like really make sure she kind of

1342
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: is aligned with Like one of those things that I'm

1343
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: aligned with is like.

1344
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: This career, this music isn't everything.

1345
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: This is everything, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

1346
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: just that more so, And that kind of goes into

1347
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: the concept that I was saying earlier about.

1348
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: We get so caught up.

1349
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: In like our careers, being successful, all these things. Right

1350
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: when you realize you really you got to understand success

1351
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: is a feeling more than it is in a mount

1352
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: but of something because all that's conditional.

1353
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: It's really a feeling, but it's subjective. It's subjective.

1354
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: But when you look back and you know that when

1355
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: it started the interview, I said, what if? What if

1356
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: our point of life was really to advance our souls

1357
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: for real? And that you know, I'm not saying a

1358
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: career isn't an important part of that of your legacy,

1359
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: but let's not neglect that part of it.

1360
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what.

1361
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: Having a family and raising Noah is like makes keeps

1362
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: that in perspective for me, it's like, yeah, it's rat career.

1363
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: People can say what they say having opinions, but you know,

1364
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: you writing a book and all this stuff, but that's

1365
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: not what it's all about, you know what I mean,

1366
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: that's what I would have saw. That's just so that's

1367
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: just a part of life and the real thing is

1368
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: like progressing your soul.

1369
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: So you know, she she definitely is someone who.

1370
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: Thinks in a similar way, you know, but having a

1371
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: kid definitely makes it hard in a lot of ways

1372
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: to just like a newborn, you know, when they're younger.

1373
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: It definitely takes a lot of energy, but it's rewarding though,

1374
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, you get you get so much from it

1375
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: as well.

1376
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: How important is it to have a partner that's on

1377
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: a healing journey like you are, because has been open

1378
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: about her mental health struggles as well.

1379
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, it is important to have, especially like

1380
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: I want to really these questions I'm answering honestly too, I.

1381
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: Hope so would you lie? You lie in other interviews?

1382
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't.

1383
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking it through.

1384
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: That's why it's kind of like sometimes I have to

1385
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: like think about the all shood a little bit.

1386
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: It's like, it's always good to have someone that you

1387
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: could talk to.

1388
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna sit up and say like we're

1389
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: always on the same page, like we have a lot

1390
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: of we have a lot of things to work out ourselves.

1391
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure like everyone, but it does boil

1392
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: down to the same it does boil down to the

1393
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: same beliefs of like she she definitely is someone who

1394
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: believes in like healing and believes in uh, you know,

1395
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot of meditation, a lot of putting and putting

1396
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: it into the work, you know what I'm saying, and

1397
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: not really so focused on like oh the charts or

1398
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: this or that. It's like, that's one thing I really

1399
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: appreciate about her is that she puts like how she

1400
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: feels and where her heart is. And that's something that

1401
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: I have been doing and striving to do as well,

1402
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1403
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's some ortant to have that type of.

1404
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: Just that's a person like that that you can always

1405
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: talk to and be aligned with.

1406
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: You know. I know she's on tour, so who's taking

1407
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: care of taking care of No?

1408
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: She Noah's been with her for like the first leg

1409
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: of the tour and yeah, so she only did that,

1410
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: she did it. She was gone for a month, but yeah,

1411
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: he was that was his first experience on the road. Yeah,

1412
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: he's been in you know, they started in Detroit. Like

1413
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: my mom and dad and brother are all spending time

1414
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: with him as well.

1415
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 3: So it was it's been cool.

1416
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: You know. I had a conversation with a Tank recently.

1417
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 2: It was very hard for me. It was very hard

1418
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: for yeah, man, that ship.

1419
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: It was tough. She was way tougher than I thought.

1420
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: Why didn't you go out for a couple of dates

1421
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: on the rule man?

1422
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: Because I had my own commitments that I had got

1423
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: committed to previous. It was like, I wanted to be

1424
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: there for the Detroit show, but I had to perform

1425
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: at this.

1426
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: I committed.

1427
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: I committed to this Beverly Hills cop thing, and then

1428
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: this festival in Chicago, and then these meetings and things

1429
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: about finishing my book and album and all sorts of stuff,

1430
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: and it's.

1431
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Just like life, life was life, Yeah.

1432
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: You know, So unfortunately I couldn't just you know, be

1433
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: there for that first part. But I'm definitely gonna like

1434
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: make some shows and be there.

1435
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to you about just the

1436
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: music shit with you because I had a conversation with

1437
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: Tink on Breakfast Club recently and she's on tour with Jane,

1438
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: and she was saying, for her, Jenea is the blueprint

1439
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: for so many of the R and B you know girls.

1440
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I knew people liked them, but

1441
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was looked at like like that.

1442
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: So get that being your lady. Yeah, as an artist,

1443
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: do you see her like that? Yeah?

1444
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: I said this on like on the Coach Cella stage.

1445
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: I feel like she was when it comes to like, uh,

1446
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: the n like the new arm, newer R and B.

1447
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to phrase that, but

1448
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: like the twenty tens, you know, kind.

1449
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 1: Of like the Summer Walk.

1450
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's like she was like, she's like the

1451
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: prototype to me of that, you know, of like that

1452
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: type of style of music, the mixtapes, the you know.

1453
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: And I've seen them meet Jane and say that to her.

1454
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: I've seen Somemmer Walker say that to Janney. I've seen like,

1455
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean not that specifically, but in that in that

1456
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: realm of things.

1457
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like she is. She is definitely

1458
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: that blueprint.

1459
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, I've heard that quite a bit and I

1460
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: think that's true.

1461
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you two do another twenty eighty eight project.

1462
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: There has been music made. Yeah, but I don't.

1463
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: Want to speak for her, you know what I'm saying.

1464
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: I saw in an interview she said that you know

1465
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: that the door is open there, and it is, but

1466
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just leave that it's definitely a possibility, and

1467
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: you know there is some music made for sure.

1468
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: What's stopping you off and getting married? Y'all already did

1469
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: one of little secret industry weddings.

1470
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: No, No, there has not been a secret industry marriage.

1471
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: I think that.

1472
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: It's a little personal, you know what I mean. But

1473
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: just like to be real with you, just like any

1474
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: people who have dealt with love, We've had our ups

1475
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: and downs, you know what I'm saying, And I think

1476
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: it's still find in the right navigation through it all.

1477
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if, like if to me, marriage symbolizes

1478
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: like the best relationship.

1479
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 3: You know, people be like, oh, you got to get

1480
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: married to me?

1481
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: I feel like having a relationship is first and foremost,

1482
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: and like marriage is a byproduct of that.

1483
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people get the idea.

1484
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: Of like, oh, you have to get married, but then

1485
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: it's like, to me, that's almost a fear based way

1486
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: of thinking too, because then people be getting divorced.

1487
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: The divorce rate so fucking high.

1488
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: And I am someone who I'm not like discounting anything,

1489
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that we aren't going to get married.

1490
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is is that it's just I

1491
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: would like to do a lot. I would like to

1492
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: and I don't like putting our personal business out there

1493
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: like that either, but there's a lot of work that

1494
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: needs to be done.

1495
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 3: I feel like, in general.

1496
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: We'll take it for somebody who's been with their woman

1497
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: for twenty six years, Right, it's always gonna be ups

1498
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: and downs, period. The work's never gonna stop. Yeah, especially

1499
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: raised twenty six years with twenty six years, got married

1500
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Oh so you're married with.

1501
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: It, it's gonna always be what took you sixteen years

1502
01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: to get married?

1503
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. It's kind of like I really

1504
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I really truly honestly don't know. In my mind,

1505
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: I felt like I wasn't where I needed to be,

1506
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: right but I do. I did know this is the

1507
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: person I want to be with for the rest of

1508
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: my life. So my mentality is, hey, I already know

1509
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's nothing. No relationship is gonna be

1510
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: perfect all the time. So if you're thinking that you

1511
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: gotta wait for this fairy tale, magical awakening where everything's

1512
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna be all good all the time, it's just like, no,

1513
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: not the way life is.

1514
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't think it's that. I think

1515
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: that it's just seems so many different.

1516
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1517
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: The thing about Jane is that we're so many We

1518
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: have so many relationships. It's like being peers, being in

1519
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: a group together, parents, romantic all that.

1520
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1521
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: It's like it's a crazy.

1522
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: It's a crazy connection because no matter what, we're always

1523
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: going to be tied together, no matter what. So I

1524
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: think that that doesn't discount that, like she and me

1525
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: both have to be on the same page, not to

1526
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: say we aren't, but I feel like I can only

1527
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: speak for myself that there needs to be like more

1528
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: work done so we could keep going.

1529
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of focus on.

1530
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,919
Speaker 2: Our family, there's a lot of focus on careers and everything,

1531
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: and that is something that I feel like has not

1532
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: been the main focus.

1533
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: So y'all not necessarily together now, y'all just figuring it out?

1534
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, look now look at you shot question. No,

1535
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that either. That's you know. What I'm

1536
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: saying is is that it's not perfect and that it

1537
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: needs to be work done.

1538
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1539
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad we having this convoo because I was having

1540
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: a conversation with to my young partners man, my man

1541
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: really and he was he was talking about you, and

1542
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: he said he felt like you never had an identity

1543
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: people gravitate to. He also felt like you never had

1544
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: a story that people could connect with. So even when

1545
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: you wrap your heart out, you know, it might not

1546
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: necessarily work because you lack those other things. Wow. So

1547
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: when you hear that, I'm gonna ask you getting more

1548
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: thoughts on yourself when you hit people.

1549
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: I think that just comes from me not wanting to

1550
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: share my you know how, Like some people are really

1551
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: good at like putting themselves on social media, like Cardi

1552
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 2: B is an example right here. Like you know, people

1553
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: like like Cardi.

1554
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: Was there before music though, right, Yeah.

1555
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And.

1556
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: That never was just natural to me sharing my story

1557
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: so much. And I kind of live in a life

1558
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: where I always went against the grain when it came

1559
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 2: to like even like from the traite, like being from detroiting,

1560
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 2: like not rapping the way everyone else rapped her, like

1561
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: not rapping about even the same shit everyone rap.

1562
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1563
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: I my stepbrother got locked up fifteen times, just like.

1564
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: I've seen people die. I've seen all sorts of shit.

1565
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 2: But it's like and I and I rap about that,

1566
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 2: but I don't rap about it from a in a

1567
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: like I'm not a gangster rapper period, you know, because

1568
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: that's not what I wanted to portray. That's not how

1569
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: I felt, even though I saw it, even though that

1570
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: may have been authentic to me, I just that ain't

1571
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: what I was trying to put out in the universe

1572
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: type shit. So I respect anyone decision. But at the

1573
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: same time, you know, I think that I'm honest, and

1574
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: I think that there's DNA and all of the music

1575
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: that I put out, and maybe people haven't listened to

1576
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: it all. But I've been honest with myself. I put

1577
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: my heart out of my music and I've kept it

1578
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: real and never like front it.

1579
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 3: You know, never like faked it or like you know, period.

1580
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: I told you earlier that I love when you be

1581
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: in your bag where you are rapping, and I can

1582
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: hear that you've been doing the work, like like the records,

1583
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: like break the cycle of boundaries, which we're going to

1584
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: get into, like those records. I'm like, Okay, that's Sean

1585
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: is in his bag. When the other stuff is you

1586
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,839
Speaker 1: just rapping because you're nice.

1587
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I can say that the other stuff

1588
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: is like, I still want to do the other stuff too.

1589
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 2: I'm just having fun, Like I just like like feeling

1590
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 2: the energy of it. And but I also when I

1591
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: feel the need of like getting a message off, I

1592
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 2: attached that to it too, But sometimes I just like

1593
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 2: having fun with it, you know. And people can say

1594
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: take that out of how they want to take it.

1595
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: But at least I did this ship my way, man.

1596
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: At least I like kept it true to me, you know.

1597
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: So I know people always got something to say, and

1598
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: I welcome that. But at the same time, you know, shit,

1599
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: I'm just said, I'm just doing my thing, Like I

1600
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: don't really make music for it to be so picked apart.

1601
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: When I'm doing the song, I'll be like, Oh, they're

1602
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: gonna pick this apart like this.

1603
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: And that and that and that.

1604
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 3: I just be doing it and I just be like,

1605
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,839
Speaker 3: oh I like it, and then yeah.

1606
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: It it goes how it goes. But you know, you know,

1607
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: we talked about precision earlier and you did that recorden

1608
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: you had food poison all right, mm hm, and you said,

1609
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: I think where I lack most is an artists consistency.

1610
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 1: I just haven't had the energy to compete with enemies.

1611
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: Are y'all so called biggo three? You want to expound

1612
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 1: on that bar a little bit.

1613
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: More, Oh yeah, Just I mean, like I just the

1614
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 2: hunger and like for competition kind of never took the

1615
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: presidents over like me like working on myself and saving

1616
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: my life because that thing. Remember I told you at

1617
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: that time of my life, I have to like fall

1618
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: back and get my shit to get Yeah. Absolutely, you

1619
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's that's kind of what I

1620
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: meant by that.

1621
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: So the reason you didn't have the energy to compete

1622
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: is because you was dealing with depression, Because you was

1623
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: dealing with anxiety.

1624
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to say depressing and anxiety. I was

1625
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: just care more about myself since then, to like think

1626
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: about that or you know, but if I have to compete, bro,

1627
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: I'm definitely down. Like I don't want to make it

1628
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: seem like I'm not with that, but it's never really

1629
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: been an honest, like blatant challenge that I felt needed

1630
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 2: to be addressed, you know, like that.

1631
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: Drink on Control. He leaked goll it down for everybody

1632
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: on that though.

1633
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: But let's not forget who put control there, Bro, I'm

1634
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: the one who put it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1635
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I was the one who put

1636
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: the whole thing together.

1637
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: Did you ever think you wanted to go change your

1638
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: verse just to no?

1639
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 2: Okay, no I didn't because I respected that he thought

1640
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 2: of that's a name of people and do all that.

1641
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: But let's not forget who put control out and whose

1642
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: song it is.

1643
01:14:59,320 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: Like.

1644
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 2: I did that because I cared that. I knew that

1645
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: I when I thought about it. When I got the

1646
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: verse back, I'm like, man, that was real interesting that

1647
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: he chose.

1648
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 3: That that perspective.

1649
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: And I wasn't about to be like, oh, you can't

1650
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: do that like on my song. I was like, shit,

1651
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: he either gonna get it off here or somewhere else.

1652
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: It was like, fuck it, you know, let's run it.

1653
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: But they didn't clear the song. You know what I'm

1654
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 2: saying after it came out, and I took that bullet

1655
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: for the culture.

1656
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 3: It didn't get clear.

1657
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: What you mean, it didn't get clear.

1658
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: Like the reason it wasn't on my album is because

1659
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: they didn't clear it.

1660
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 3: He didn't clear Yeah, because of all the controversy and

1661
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 3: drama that it a mass I assume.

1662
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: Or you know, it's already out though. That was what

1663
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm like, we agreed to do the song,

1664
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: put it out. I'm like, put it on my album.

1665
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, you know, you know, I never

1666
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: really got a full explanation of why that didn't just

1667
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: never got cleared, but it was and it wasn't like

1668
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 2: I didn't clear it, And yeah, it.

1669
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: Does it upset you that you aren't in the big

1670
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: three combo?

1671
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 3: I think I am in the Big three? Convo?

1672
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: What big three combo? The big thing? Man? You're not

1673
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: in the what you mean? You know? The combo is Drake,

1674
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: Kendrick and Cold. That's what's always been.

1675
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: And I hear my name around that a lot.

1676
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: So outside of the Big Three, I actually think it's

1677
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: a fantastic four because I throw future in that, okay,

1678
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: but not because of lyrics, but just because of impact

1679
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: over the last decade plus. And then I think after that,

1680
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: that's when you talk about the Shawn's, the wallets. That's why.

1681
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: That's why I go, well, there's only one me and

1682
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: there's only one yl A. So okay, so the Big

1683
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: three covers.

1684
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: So what's the question or do you ever be upset

1685
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: that you're not in that combo well ship?

1686
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: I hear my fucking name of all the time when

1687
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: people talk about this big three stuff, and like, believe

1688
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 2: it when you said you're so whoever? Who do you

1689
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: say you're bigger three? I don't just know your so

1690
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: called bigger three?

1691
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so what people think.

1692
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh yeah, we got you think. Yeah, that's why

1693
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 3: I said you're so called bigger three.

1694
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: You know what a general consus.

1695
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: But I also understand that I have been very inconsistent

1696
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: as an artist. My consistency is where I lack. I

1697
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: say that in that too. It's like I haven't put

1698
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: out I put out you know, I haven't put out

1699
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: music in four years, bro essentially, you know what I mean.

1700
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: I haven't put a project out, So I can't expect

1701
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: to be in in that conversation when I haven't been

1702
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: consistently feeding the feeding hip hop and feeding fans and

1703
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: feeding you know, And that's something that as an artist,

1704
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: it hurts because I do need to do people who

1705
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 2: do rock and ride for me, like I want to

1706
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: give them reasons to be fans, and I think that

1707
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: just comes with more consistency. But I think I'm at

1708
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: a point in my life where I can produce more

1709
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: but still keeping on God's time and in my time.

1710
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: But you know, I think the way my life is going,

1711
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: it's like that's one of my priorities is to like

1712
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 2: put more music out with meaning too, though you know,

1713
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: with still that feeling of okay, feeling good about it.

1714
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all God works. Look what my next question was,

1715
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: can you be upset by what you haven't gotten out

1716
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: of rap if you know that you haven't been as

1717
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: consistent as the.

1718
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: People in the Big Three, That's what I'm saying.

1719
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm not delusional, like I haven't been

1720
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: putting our music so that's one of the yeah. But

1721
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,440
Speaker 2: I do feel like when it comes to rapping abilities

1722
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: that I have no limit on my rapping abilities. I

1723
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: feel like I can keep improving and keep getting better,

1724
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: and I can hang with anybody on any song, you know,

1725
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,839
Speaker 2: And I've proven that absolutely with all of them. Yeah,

1726
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: and even like we control the next song we did,

1727
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: I made sure I had a better verse on Holy

1728
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: Key with and that's just you know, that wasn't That

1729
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: was just because I was like, wait, holder, you know,

1730
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: I gotta like make sure I'm repping my shit proper

1731
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: right now.

1732
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: I remember, I told you when I started this interview,

1733
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: I wanted people to get clarity on who Sean is.

1734
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: And I think we're doing that because I want to

1735
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: ask you, like, you know, That's why I keep bringing back,

1736
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: bringing it back to your mental health journey, because how

1737
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,480
Speaker 1: do you think your mental health journey affected your positioning

1738
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: in the game, whether whether it be how it impacted

1739
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: your creativity, how people perceived you, how you carry yourself

1740
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: because in this game, you still got to show up

1741
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: a lot of times even when you don't want to.

1742
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's exhausting. It's exhausting having to show up.

1743
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 2: What was the question again, I'm sorry.

1744
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: How do you feel like your mental health journey affected

1745
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: your positioning in the game.

1746
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 2: You know, how how did my mental health journey affect

1747
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: my positioning pause in the game.

1748
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 3: I think that.

1749
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: This game isn't about Those are two different things, right, So.

1750
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: It's not really a supportive thing.

1751
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: Like this industry in general isn't supportive of mental health

1752
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 2: in the sense. What I mean by that is things

1753
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: like consistency, things like staying hot, things like being you

1754
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 2: know this and that necessarily don't always align with mental health,

1755
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And that word mental health

1756
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: got a stigma around it to me because it's like,

1757
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't sit here and be like my arm health

1758
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: is good today.

1759
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: To me, it's health right.

1760
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: And I feel like when you think about a lot

1761
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: of our industry, a lot of people hide as fucked.

1762
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: That's how they deal with being having to be so

1763
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: on all the time. You're highest shit, that's what That's

1764
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: what what I was dealing with too. I had to

1765
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get by, to make it through.

1766
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: So niggas be high, niggas be drunk, niggas be off,

1767
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: lean off, pills, off all this ship right to be

1768
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: able to function in this game because it's so exhausting

1769
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: and taxing, and I'm straight up here raw dogging all

1770
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,879
Speaker 2: my emotions and ship. I'm like fighting this shit sober.

1771
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, are you are you sober or

1772
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: what you do?

1773
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: You do anything? I do edibles? I do edibles, you know,

1774
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: I like I like my tequila, you know, blood blood,

1775
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 1: plus I experience with plant based medicines. But for spiritual purposes,

1776
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: like I'm been a atuasca. I've done sure wow, oh yeah, absolutely.

1777
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: I want to hear about that. You ain't gonta talk

1778
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: about it now. I've been shrooms too. I've done this

1779
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: ship and I and I'm not saying I wouldn't do it,

1780
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: But lately I've just been keeping like I've just been,

1781
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, keeping a clear mind, especially while I'm like

1782
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 2: especially while I was working on this book, working on it,

1783
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: finishing this album. Definitely, Like there's a song on the

1784
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: album with me and Thundercat where I was off shrooms.

1785
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: We were all off shrooms.

1786
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: Making the album, I mean, making the song Black Void.

1787
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 2: But I think that, to answer your question, I think

1788
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with my positioning in the game.

1789
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: To me, I think that those are two separate things,

1790
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to use the excuse of mental

1791
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: health on why I haven't been as consistent as I

1792
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: could be as an artist or as I would like

1793
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: to be.

1794
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 3: I think that's just how it happened.

1795
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: But if you you know, dealing with about the depression

1796
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: and you don't feel like going to the studio, you

1797
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: have some personal Yeah, if you don't want to go

1798
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: make disappearance because you know you're feeling a way, you

1799
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: have that right to not do that either. But all

1800
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: those things do affect, you know, your career.

1801
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that a lot of people take

1802
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 2: hiatuses and ship you know.

1803
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 3: I think like.

1804
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: Some people don't, but some people do. And it's just

1805
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: about you, you being accepting where you are with it,

1806
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,879
Speaker 2: you know. But I think that that just shows the

1807
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: importance of putting yourself and to me, it's important to

1808
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: put myself first. So yeah, I'm probably not as big

1809
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 2: as an artist as I could be or all these things.

1810
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: I don't blame my mental health for it though, you know.

1811
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: In fact, I think that the best part of life

1812
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: is being able to enjoy it, and that took a

1813
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: lot of time from that took a lot of effort

1814
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: for me to get there.

1815
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1816
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: We got a few more questions on boundaries another record.

1817
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 1: I really enjoy you say you got to set boundaries

1818
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: because everybody wants a piece of me, and now you're

1819
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: a piece of me.

1820
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: No, no, no, everyone, I gotta start saying everybody wants

1821
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: a part of me, Now I'm a piece of me.

1822
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's still a bar.

1823
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that, But dealing with the part of

1824
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 2: me that people hardly see, you know, I gotta fall

1825
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: back and just get organized. That's just how I remember

1826
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 2: feeling that way, specifically.

1827
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: Literally at that point in my life life.

1828
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 2: And it just when I got that loop from Keiwayne,

1829
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: I just was pouring my soul out. I wasn't even

1830
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: thinking about it, you know. And I think it's important

1831
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 2: for people to recognize when they're at that point in

1832
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 2: their life of like halving a step back and get organized,

1833
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 2: because when you do, you bringing your obviously your best

1834
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,919
Speaker 2: self to the situation. You're gonna be ten times more productive,

1835
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: ten times happier, ten times or however many times. You know,

1836
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: you're just gonna be a way better, more efficient version

1837
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: of yourself if as long as you sharp and your

1838
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: heart is in it, you know, And that's something that

1839
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know if my heart was always in music,

1840
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: but I think I was overthinking it. It's not that

1841
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't always in music, it just was. I don't

1842
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: think I was all the way aligned with my heart.

1843
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: At certain times in my life, I was too much

1844
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: in my head. I was overthinking things, or you know,

1845
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: trying to thinking of thinking things analytically through when sometimes

1846
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: to me, thinking is the lowest version of feeling something.

1847
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 3: Really, life is an intuitive thing.

1848
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 2: Is you feel through and overthinking it.

1849
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 3: Is definitely required in a lot of situations.

1850
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: But I feel like when you're being creative and when

1851
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:22,520
Speaker 2: you're experiencing the bliss and joys of life is to feel.

1852
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: It more so than think about it.

1853
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely on the Radar freestyle, yeah my guy

1854
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: gave p you chose the rapper over Leah if your

1855
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: girl lonely knew, you know, being a Detroit native, what

1856
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: does what does the Leah me? Neil? I mean, you know,

1857
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: people don't know Lea.

1858
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 3: It was from Detroit. She was like the.

1859
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: Queen of Detroit at that point, you know, because there

1860
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: was nobody in that nineties R and B. Really that

1861
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 2: was like popping like a Leah you know, all songs

1862
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 2: with R Kelly. And you know, my stepbrother went to

1863
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: school Leah, and I remember us picking him up from

1864
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: school and being like, yo, they're calling Leah right there.

1865
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: Like she was like still going to school when she

1866
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 2: first started at DSA.

1867
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 3: So it was just cool to see that, you know

1868
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 3: what I'm.

1869
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: Saying, and to see and you know, obviously it was

1870
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: such a tragedy when she died, but she definitely was

1871
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 2: like to me as a Detroit icon absolue, you know,

1872
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to rap on.

1873
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 3: I was rap.

1874
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: I've been rapping on Jay Dillerbe's too, and rapping on

1875
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 2: just like things that I feel like are important to keep.

1876
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: Like their legacy. Yeah, you know what I mean. You

1877
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: referenced it earlier when you talked about the line niggas

1878
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: looking for engagement, like they got their need been. I

1879
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: got better thing to do to find somebody to beef with.

1880
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 1: Everybody thought you was talking about Kendrick. My guy DJ

1881
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Head said he spoke to you and he said that

1882
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: you wasn't talking about Kendrick. It was directed at another Gemini,

1883
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 1: So I'm just assuming Kanye.

1884
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the point I was saying, like

1885
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: I got better things to do than to beef.

1886
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: Kanye, Yeah, got you, Yeah, but not to know.

1887
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm just like talking my shit. Really, who that goes

1888
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 2: for anyone? I mean they could apply to anybody. Yeah,

1889
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: that could apply to ya, Kendrick whoever. Like, I got

1890
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 2: better things to do than find someone to be with.

1891
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: I didn't say I want to find someone to be with.

1892
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 2: So to me, it's like, who the fuck matters? Who

1893
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: the fuck I'm talking about? I said, I don't want it,

1894
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: That's not where I'm going.

1895
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: I think the Internet was gassing it up because they wanted.

1896
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: To see They want to see it.

1897
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: They want to see Kendrick go at somebody else. So

1898
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: if Kendrick and Sean is the next one, let's line

1899
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: it up right. That's what I think was happening.

1900
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 3: I think people just for like.

1901
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: Just yeah, just looking for engagement, like I said, And

1902
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 2: the thing people looking for engagement like they got their

1903
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: need bent. It's like, I don't think people give a

1904
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 2: fuck about especially these mediatis. They don't give a fuck

1905
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: about me. They don't give a fuck about Kendrick neither.

1906
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: They just looking for the That's it. You know, I'm

1907
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: not gonna t say who I talk to, but one

1908
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 2: of my homies who does like hip hop journalism, He

1909
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: was like, Bro, I made the most money I ever

1910
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 2: made from this Drake and Kendrick Beef by just doing

1911
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: reaction videos and like talking about it. Then I have

1912
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 2: in ten years of like doing hip hop, right, who's

1913
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: that Rob Mark?

1914
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: My god? Robbed by the way, when you say hip

1915
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: hop journalists, there's only two, there's only a couple of

1916
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: my opinions, So it's like, well, he is a real

1917
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 1: hip hop is one of the best, best, one of

1918
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: the best, he is, if not the best.

1919
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob Markman is like that guy. So yeah, it

1920
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 3: was Rod Mark.

1921
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was just saying that, like it's not

1922
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: about like people giving you know, man, I really be

1923
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: feeling weird, like talking about speaking on behalf of other people.

1924
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 2: That's like, I don't know why get it natural to me,

1925
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 2: but it's something we'd like, I get it.

1926
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, who who is the rappers that got

1927
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: matching tattoos? And why are you shooting sliminals at them?

1928
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 3: Subliminal? Why why is it a subliminal?

1929
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know who you was talking about. Mad people

1930
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: asking that question? Who's the rappers that got matching tattoos.

1931
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,480
Speaker 3: So many rappers got matching tattoos.

1932
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Why they ain't the same cruel or something.

1933
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 2: You could pull up the internet and be like rappers

1934
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: with matching tattoos. There's been times where I've been in

1935
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: the studios, like rappers that hated each other, and I'd

1936
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, niggas got a match tattoos, like on purpose,

1937
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 2: be back cool.

1938
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:27,799
Speaker 3: They they'll be back cool.

1939
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: Like on purpose matching tattoos, Like, let's got out to

1940
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 1: the pall together.

1941
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, bro, I'm not there, but what I'm

1942
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 3: saying is I see it.

1943
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: And I was just I wasn't necessarily throwing a subliminal

1944
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: at people who do that. That's people got their own

1945
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 2: lives that they owned individuals. I was talking about the

1946
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 2: industry in general. That's why I said, let me think,

1947
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 2: what did I say right there? I said, Man, this

1948
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 2: industry is terrible. I can't even vouch. I seen grown

1949
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 2: men get matching tattoos for the cloud. I had train

1950
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 2: wrecks and kick home records out of my house. I

1951
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: seen eight figure checks that once hit my account. That's

1952
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: showed me enough to feeling dog. It's not an amount

1953
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: because I've been up and still hungry, like I'm down

1954
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: for the count. So to me, I feel like, yeah,

1955
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean I pointed that out, but that's not me judging.

1956
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out a fact. Yeah, so it's like, yeah,

1957
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: it's a fact that do people yeah yeah, got matching

1958
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: tattoos with whoever? I don't know, and like do Cutty

1959
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: and all these type of people got matching tattoos or

1960
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: other rappers and shit, I seen it.

1961
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 3: I don't think it's bad. I don't even think that's wrong.

1962
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing that out as a fact that you

1963
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: know that that's kind of like, is what it is.

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01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: He's looking at somebody who somebody was telling you not

1965
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: to say something. No, oh damn, I know why. I

1966
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: saw Joe Buddy say something like this, And it's something

1967
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: that people feel like it often feels like you don't

1968
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: stand up for how you actually feel about things, and

1969
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: people like you have these moments where you might throw

1970
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: a jab but then you don't commit to it. Like

1971
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: what he means by that I think he was talking about,

1972
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: which is this is like he feels like, you know,

1973
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: you thought he sneak This is the they ask who

1974
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about? It like, oh, I'm not talking about nobody,

1975
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: and like just for me, sneak, this is though subliminals.

1976
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: I call them subliminals, okay, And it's just like for me,

1977
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: it's like if you want to be how.

1978
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Many rappers be saying ship like Nigga stole my flow?

1979
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 2: How many of you know be saying shit.

1980
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Like that or like what everybody? All of them? All right?

1981
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 2: So why the fuck is this such a thing? Do

1982
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: I got to say somebody name every time I'm just

1983
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: talking my ship?

1984
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: Like do I I think they want to see you

1985
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: just commit one time? Like like if you want to

1986
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: be in these elite rapper conversation.

1987
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: I ever not committed? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

1988
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 2: When have I ever not committed?

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01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 3: You saw this?

1990
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 2: Nigga Kendrick send that text and said he you saw

1991
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 2: the text? I don't even want to paraphrase it. So

1992
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: when have I not stood up?

1993
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Like when like.

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01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 3: Anytime I got on a song like I did it?

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01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: Like well whoever Kendrick Drake, j Cole, who eminem jay

1996
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: Z Like yay? Like I'm trying to figure out, like

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01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: and what context do you mean?

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01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 3: Like on control?

1999
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was control h. I just

2000
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 1: think it's just in general.

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01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: I think it was that leaked Kendrick verse that people

2002
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: are like, yo, why didn't you say anything when he

2003
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: said you're finally famous for who you dating?

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01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 3: Whoever boy or whatever he said? Now they know what confidence.

2005
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: But I just don't give a fuck because it's like

2006
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: I talked to the nigga about it. I'm not a

2007
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: cloud chasing that nigga. I'm much be solid. If it

2008
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: was a real issue, if he would have texted him

2009
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: been like, yeah, nigga, no, that's what it is, and

2010
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: I would have been like, all right, for show, then

2011
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: that's what it is, and I would have had to come.

2012
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: With my bars. But that's not the case. So if

2013
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 3: it's not.

2014
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: If that's not the case, then how am I doing

2015
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 2: anything but being solid?

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01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: I think after people see this conversation, they'll understand the

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: context of why you have never said anything directly, and

2018
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: they'll understand that maybe a lot of these subliminal that

2019
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 1: they think are for one person are necessarily for that person, right,

2020
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: But I don't.

2021
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 2: I'm also not ducking shit. I'm not trying to say

2022
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: that they not for anyone. Anyone could get it bro,

2023
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a fact. Anyone can't get it. And

2024
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here trying to talk tough. I'm just

2025
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 2: saying like I'm never like, I don't know where it

2026
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: is fucking narrative. I think it's the lack of me

2027
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 2: not expressing or clearing or controlling my narrative that's on

2028
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 2: me of like yeah, like oh yeah, he said this

2029
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 2: or that. But I've always just been solid enough to

2030
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: come to the understanding that whatever I have between that person,

2031
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 2: that's what it is, instead of like having to clarify

2032
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 2: with everyone, but the fact that you brought it up

2033
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: and we sitting down like I'm definitely down to talk

2034
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 2: about it, you know what I mean.

2035
01:33:55,200 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Whatever. So basically, if somebody really had an issue, you'd

2036
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: be at the front door with Nobody's ever really.

2037
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 2: True if I thought it was worth it, okay, only

2038
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 2: if I thought.

2039
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: Like, you know, if are there are there a list

2040
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 1: of M seeds, the same way you wrote down a

2041
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: list of labels you wanted to sign to are there

2042
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,799
Speaker 1: a list of M seeds? You would be like, Okay,

2043
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: I got something for this person, that person, that person,

2044
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: because these three.

2045
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 3: Are worth Noah, because I don't think like that.

2046
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm not.

2047
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: There's nothing that's off limits, but you kind of also

2048
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 2: have to like I can't just like take someone like

2049
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 2: a new artist or like as serious as like one

2050
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 2: of my peers that I came up with, you know

2051
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I feel like you at least

2052
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 2: have to sell one hundred million records.

2053
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: So the Big three, anybody in the so called Big

2054
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: three can get it.

2055
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they can get it, bro, But it's

2056
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: like that's not my that's not the point of it.

2057
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 2: That's not like, yeah, they can get it. Just like

2058
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: if you asked any of them, they would be like, yeah,

2059
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 2: he could get it if he you know what I'm saying,

2060
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 2: if it was that's.

2061
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: What it was.

2062
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not about to be like, no, is it

2063
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: still a Big three after what we just saw this

2064
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: ship because Kendrick said it, there's no Big three.

2065
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,799
Speaker 1: It's just big mess hip hop. I don't know, changed

2066
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: restructured so to speak, Big three or big me.

2067
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, man Like to me, I never really

2068
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 2: thought it was a big three. I kind of feel

2069
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: like that was like a journalistic thing that got made up.

2070
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't know who made that up Joe, was it

2071
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: Elliott or I don't know someone.

2072
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's always been It's always been like that.

2073
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: I think that music is more expansive than it's ever been.

2074
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 2: So it's like it's so many people that can have

2075
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: a great fan base that it's impossible for it to

2076
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 2: just be a big three because you look at all

2077
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: of these, Like you got people like even a Boogie

2078
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: who's like he has his own lane and he's doing

2079
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 2: arenas and all sorts of shit. And then you got

2080
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: people like Eminem, who when I was talking to Paul Rosenberg,

2081
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 2: he's literally the most popular he's ever been, like statistically.

2082
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 3: So it's like, is Eminem in the Big three?

2083
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Like? Actually jay Z made up the Big three now

2084
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: that I think about it, Jaz, who's the best of them,

2085
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: sees Biggie jay Z and os oh okay, So it's

2086
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: always been like that for different erarors. It's always got

2087
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: to be like three. But to your point, it's never

2088
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 1: been just three because Pot could easily have been in

2089
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: at that time Biggie j Z and Ox. You had

2090
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: to put Pocket.

2091
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 3: Because Poc was a bigger artist, right.

2092
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I would don't know, man, I kind.

2093
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 2: Of think all that shit doesn't matter personally, and not

2094
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: just because people be like, oh, he's not in it.

2095
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 3: He thinks it doesn't matter. I just think that.

2096
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: None of that's important. I think to just put out

2097
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,759
Speaker 2: your best music. It's Tyler the Creator in a situation

2098
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: of the Big Three? A Big three? Is it like

2099
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 2: different sections of Big Three's It's a But my point

2100
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 2: being is that I think I just want to focus

2101
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 2: on the music and not worry about my place and

2102
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: if I'm on a list or not.

2103
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think that that's when.

2104
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 2: You start being too analytical with it and just just

2105
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: do do your ship, do your do your art, do

2106
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 2: your express yourself.

2107
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So to me, it's not

2108
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 3: really a focus.

2109
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: But I got three more questions. You got a book

2110
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: coming out, yeah, title Go Higher, five Practices for Purpose Success,

2111
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: And in a piece, what made you want to write

2112
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: a self help book as opposed to a memoir? Oh?

2113
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 3: Here, I have a copy of the book for you.

2114
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Think.

2115
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 2: Hey, I like how you took your shoes off before

2116
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 2: you walked in this bitch too.

2117
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: So this is a readers, This is like a I

2118
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: need that by the way.

2119
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, advanced Reader's edition, so it might be like a

2120
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: TYPEO or two because I.

2121
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: Read I read the book.

2122
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean I wrote the book obviously, but I read

2123
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: it through like three or four times. In this even

2124
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 2: on this one, I'm like, yo, yeah, it's like it's

2125
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: like a typo. What page is that? Anyway, you'll see

2126
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 2: but this isn't the final, final, final first, it's been

2127
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 2: swept through, but this is basically but I wanted to

2128
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 2: give it to you. I need this last reader's edition

2129
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 2: copy and what made me want to write a book? Well,

2130
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 2: so I did an interview with Jay Sheddy and at

2131
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: the end of it he was like, you got to

2132
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: write a book, bro. He was like telling you, I've

2133
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: never said that to anyone after an interview, but he

2134
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 2: was like, there's so many people that come from where

2135
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 2: you come from that didn't have those guys and angels

2136
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: like your mom and these people that taught you to manifest,

2137
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 2: that taught you to live, you know, how to how

2138
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 2: to figure out, how to have faith, how to have

2139
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: a foundation of consciousness, to get from point A to

2140
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 2: point B, point C, point D. Like he was like,

2141
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 2: you got to like map that out for people that

2142
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 2: come from where you come from, and that looked like

2143
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 2: you that didn't have didn't have that right.

2144
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 3: So when he said that, I always wanted to do it.

2145
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 2: I always thought it was the thing I was going

2146
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 2: to do later in my life, you know, like twenty

2147
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 2: years down the line, you know. But I realized that,

2148
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, time is is relative, like you got to

2149
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 2: get it, get it, get it out, you know.

2150
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 3: If you have the message. So I sat down started.

2151
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: It took a couple of years, you know what I'm saying.

2152
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 2: But I do feel like it's a it's a uh,

2153
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 2: what's the right word. It's it's a book that you

2154
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 2: could keep returning to, like some of my favorites, like

2155
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 2: the Four Agreements, classic Seven Spiritual Laws, all of these

2156
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 2: things that I've read and kind of like gathered all

2157
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 2: these gems and applied what I learned from I incorporated

2158
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: in the book, and I talk about how I incorporated.

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01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: I talk about a lot of parts in my career

2160
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 2: and a lot of things that I've seen and just

2161
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 2: like other experiences too.

2162
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 3: So it's really it's really.

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01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Helpful, I think, and I think that it's gonna improve

2164
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 2: anyone who reads it, you know.

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01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 3: I think there's something to take away.

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01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: See, I feel like that's the next level of hip hop.

2167
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: Like when I look at books like this, when I

2168
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: look look at albums like Mister Morale and the Big

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01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Step of when I look at Chazy four, when I

2170
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: hear the things that you're doing on your album to

2171
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: break the cycle and boundaries, that's what the next fifty

2172
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: years of hip hop looks like. Yeah, Like I heard

2173
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: Will Smith say one time, you know, damn, fifty years

2174
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: is a long childhood, right, Yeah, so imagine what the

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01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: adulthood of hip hop is gonna look like.

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01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and it's like that just that mindset

2177
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 2: right of like progression, ownership.

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01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,440
Speaker 1: Balance, conversations about healing.

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01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 3: Conversations about healing.

2180
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 2: You know, you talk to me about the stuff that

2181
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 2: you've experienced with your dad.

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01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 2: I talked to before the interview about stuff I experienced

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01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 2: with my dad, and it's just like they lived a

2185
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 2: completely different life than us. And I know, you got

2186
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 2: four kids.

2187
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 3: I got one kid, And.

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01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the progression of the next generation

2189
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 2: is going to be as far as just like, first

2190
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 2: of all, this is for my son's generation especially.

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01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 3: It's like I wonder, like what it's like growing up with.

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01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 2: These like iPhones and iPads and all this shit in

2193
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 2: your face, because I feel like my generation, our generation

2194
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 2: per se, it was like the last one that like

2195
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 2: didn't have that growing up, but we saw it all

2196
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 2: come about, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,

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01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to affect him for

2198
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 2: better or worse. And I don't know how fast the

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01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 2: technology is gonna keep progressing.

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01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 3: So but my point being is that going back to

2201
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:30,839
Speaker 3: our fathers.

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01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, my dad from Monroe, Louisiana grew up in

2203
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: probably one of the most racist setback places back then

2204
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 2: when he grew up to where you get your ass

2205
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 2: beat if you're on the wrong side of the train tracks.

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01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 2: And he grew up in an abusive household, and he

2207
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 2: had a stuttering problem, and I really think that that

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01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 2: was tied to that, and he ended up working through

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01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,839
Speaker 2: speech therapy and getting rid of his stutter, which I

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01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 2: really admire him for.

2211
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 3: I think he's a lot of people can't do that.

2212
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 2: But I think that the trauma that he has had

2213
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 2: in his life has been something that I've had to

2214
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 2: heal in my life.

2215
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 3: These things get passed down just.

2216
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: Like how oh, like the way I wink, you know

2217
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 2: my kid or you know my son, my daughter wink

2218
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 2: like that, or like oh he's his smile or you know,

2219
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 2: all these traits that we pass on.

2220
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 3: Oh I have a mark like that or all these things.

2221
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: Right, it's like you pass on the trauma too, you

2222
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: pass on the work you haven't done. Absolutely, so I

2223
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 2: think that that's like the fact that we are being

2224
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 2: more conscious of that. That's the importance to working on you.

2225
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 2: So that's something I do talk about in my book too,

2226
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 2: But that's the importance not just and for the people

2227
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 2: who have kids. It's like, oh, I don't have to

2228
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 2: work on myself. No, it's like when you see how

2229
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 2: interconnected the whole planet is, how we all connected, even

2230
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 2: when you on the freeway, Like when we leave here

2231
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 2: and we go on the freeway, we see we're gonna

2232
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 2: see like everyone working and like being in synchronization. And

2233
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 2: that's one of the most basic levels of realizing that

2234
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 2: we're all really connected and aligned in a sense. So

2235
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 2: when you do work on yourself, it's a chain reaction

2236
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 2: that spreads way more than you could. You know, to

2237
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: me at least that you could imagine, and that's that's

2238
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 2: what I believe.

2239
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: Real how has the work and finally recognizing your own

2240
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 1: value influenced the way you currently navigate your career versus

2241
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: how you did in the past.

2242
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 2: It kind of just is a constant checking with myself

2243
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 2: and I kind of just have to like reaffirm and

2244
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 2: like have to like say what I'm comfortable with when

2245
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with what I want to do, what

2246
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to do, and really just be clear

2247
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 2: about the artists you want to be or what you

2248
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 2: want to put out there.

2249
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that means, like.

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01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 2: I know that I'm the most successful I've ever been,

2251
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 2: and when I say successful, it's like the most happy

2252
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 2: I've ever been when it comes to like being an artist,

2253
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: and that's what success is.

2254
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 3: That's what success is.

2255
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Speaker 1: Happiness.

2256
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do be stressed out, like I said,

2257
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 2: when we start O, I do be feeling overwhelmed because

2258
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 2: I do try and do all I can, but you know,

2259
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 2: that is what it is. But I do feel like,

2260
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, the career I do put in perspective my

2261
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 2: career and like what I'm comfortable is and what I'm

2262
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: not as opposed to like just doing everything.

2263
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Like I used to my last question for people that's

2264
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: watching listening, how do you know when you've gotten to

2265
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 1: a point of clarity?

2266
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: How do you know you got into a point of clarity?

2267
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: Is man, that's a great feeling. It's a feeling of

2268
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 2: inspiration and it's a feeling of.

2269
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, I feel like I feel unstoppable.

2270
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 2: I feel like anything that's all my heart is possible,

2271
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 2: and I don't always feel like that.

2272
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 3: Clarity isn't something that that is a constant thing.

2273
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 2: It's something that that's why when I made those grabs

2274
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 2: for the album Better Me than You, it's like it's

2275
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 2: a constant journey that goes from pressure to clarity, to

2276
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 2: focus to happiness, because you know, you get the pressure

2277
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, pressure, focused, clarity, happiness. You get the

2278
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 2: pressure and you get that pressure ring then you focus

2279
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 2: and then you're able to find some clarity and that

2280
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: is and then you find that happiness, you know.

2281
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 3: So to me, when I'm in the state of clarity.

2282
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 2: I feel all as possible, I feel all is welcomed,

2283
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 2: and I feel that it's like an endless it's like

2284
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 2: a it's like an endless possibility is a field of infinite.

2285
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 3: Opportunities, you know what I mean.

2286
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: And that's that's an exciting feeling when I'm thinking of

2287
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 2: the fact you asking that has kind of like giving

2288
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 2: me that feeling. Now I've been like I locked onto

2289
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 2: that vibrationally just now it's like an awesome feeling.

2290
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you asking that question.

2291
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. My brother better me than you,

2292
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: so out what August.

2293
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 2: Well, I just pushed the motherfucker dus its to be

2294
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 2: August night, but I'm gonna do it later on in August.

2295
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 2: It's just the The only reason I pushed it back

2296
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 2: is cause I'm like DJ Premiere hit me like, yo,

2297
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 2: these scratches on this song aren't loud enough and you know,

2298
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 2: stuff like that to where I'm like, look, just get

2299
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 2: the ship right all the way. You know, I'm not

2300
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 2: about to be trying to replace stuff when it's out

2301
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 2: and stuff just even if it's just a couple of weeks, like,

2302
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 2: just get it all the way locked in mixes right,

2303
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 2: masters right, mixed by Ali, Me and Ali going back

2304
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: and forth on some mixes, not all the way the

2305
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 2: masters now, so you know it's probably gonna be a

2306
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 2: couple of weeks after, but.

2307
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 1: It's all good. My brother, Thank you, great conversation, appreciate

2308
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: your yeah.