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Speaker 2: It's spooky.

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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, Hey, I know, said hiros Dress. Hey boo,

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Speaker 1: it's me Roz.

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Speaker 3: I am back today talking to Katrina Widman, fourth time

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Speaker 3: she has been on this show. She of course, hosts

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Speaker 3: the TV show Portals to Hell alongside Jack Osbourne, who's

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Speaker 3: also been on this podcast, and you can find that

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Speaker 3: show on Discovery Plus. I watched the first episode. It

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Speaker 3: just came out last weekend.

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Speaker 1: It is good.

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Speaker 3: They had Michelle Bell and Jay one of our favorite

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Speaker 3: the incredible psychic. I mean, I can't even begin to

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Speaker 3: describe all the things that Michelle does incredibly. You just

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Speaker 3: or read her books. But of course they blindfold Michelle.

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Speaker 3: She goes into the place, absolutely nails it. She knows

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Speaker 3: everything that's going on. She's incredible. I love that show

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Speaker 3: so much, so check out Portals to Hell and we'll

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Speaker 3: talk a lot more about that in today's episode. Also

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Speaker 3: this week, so many people sent me Vanessa Hudgins can

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Speaker 3: talk to ghosts, which is very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Of course, she's on the list of Dream guests.

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Speaker 3: I just got to have to vocalize it so that

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Speaker 3: maybe the universe will will hear me and bring Vanessa

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Speaker 3: Vanessa Hudgins about talking to ghosts. Also, she talked about

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Speaker 3: how she has been ghost hunting and she knows about

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Speaker 3: the equipment she's done, the stuff she's got, the gifts.

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Speaker 3: Who knew Vanessa Hutchins maybe one of our new favorite psychics.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of psychics, Okay, I don't even want to give

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Speaker 3: There's this trend I've been seeing on social media where

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Speaker 3: psychics or tarot readers or astrologers. I mean, it's happening

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Speaker 3: to all kinds of people, but specifically those people keep

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Speaker 3: then they message people that follow their real accounts and

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Speaker 3: they go, hey, I'd like to offer a psychic reading

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I do not know if there are real psychics that

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Speaker 3: but so somebody did it to me. For I thought

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Speaker 3: it's like there's very little you can do about it,

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Speaker 3: I just just you know, I'm sure we all know this.

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Speaker 3: Oh they were all uploaded an hour ago. Wait, this

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Speaker 3: I'm always I'm always concerned with people using psychic abilities

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Speaker 3: If it is fishy, please report it. It's happening to

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Speaker 3: I went to our Facebook group called ghosted by Roz dresveles.

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Speaker 1: How did I come up with that name?

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Speaker 3: And uh, this one right here comes from Elena, and

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Speaker 3: Elena writes, I never really thought I had a quote

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Speaker 1: For background info. I'm from the prairies.

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Speaker 3: And my experiences were just feeling like someone was watching

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Speaker 3: And if those are like one time occurrences in those

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Speaker 3: It also reminded me I was talking to my parents recently,

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Speaker 3: Was it just in my everyday life where I never

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Speaker 3: Maybe I was the Poulter guys. I need to talk

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Speaker 1: what do you know of that ever?

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Speaker 2: it was for a paranormal lockdown and the Monroe House

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Speaker 1: Anybody like float or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: God, I know, can I play some EVPs? Yes, it's

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Speaker 3: As I go to YouTube, I look for EVPs from

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Speaker 3: But we got a professional on the show today. I'm

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Speaker 1: It's just what are you here?

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Speaker 1: That's the thing with vps. It's always like, well that's

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Speaker 3: This first one is from North Coast Paranormal on YouTube

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Speaker 2: I heard something. I think I'm hearing what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: No, it's like a wait, let me give you some options. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: is it A I have long hair, B I don't

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Speaker 2: I think it's that I don't work here.

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Speaker 1: That's what I hear. Now, I've been doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can hear that. I was between B

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Speaker 3: I just think it's a ghost. That's like, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: And then this next one, this is from I am Brandon,

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Speaker 1: Wait, tell me about Fort Mifflin.

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Speaker 3: Did you go to the blacksmith Shop because I am Brandon. Yes,

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Speaker 2: M. This is hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, here's some options. I want you.

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Speaker 3: B uh huh sure see, I'll haunt you or d

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Speaker 3: Either I want you or I'll haunt you. Okay, we've

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Speaker 2: it could be either of them. I could hear either

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is like I want you and I'll

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Speaker 3: Which I hear, I hear I want you or I'll haunt.

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Speaker 1: You here, I'll put it again, yeah, or I hear Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I do, Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. So it's you know, we talk about platforms

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Speaker 2: these scenes and we're like, could that conjure up some

436
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: sort of or make an imprint somehow that you know,

437
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: years from now somebody will interpret as a ghost. So

438
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: it is a thought in the paranormal field, and it

439
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: is something that I think a lot of us believe

440
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: has some merit to it.

441
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about.

442
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: Sleep paralysis in terms of it being demonic visions or visits.

443
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, no, sleep paralysis. If it really is sleep paralysis,

444
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: it's a medical thing that happens to a lot of people,

445
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: some people frequently. I've had it happen before. I had

446
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: it happen two thousand and thousand and nine, I want

447
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: to say. And I was living with my castmates of

448
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: Paranormal State at the time, and it was very vivid.

449
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't move my body, but I was like coming

450
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: to and I saw this really tall figure in the

451
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: doorway like staring down at me, and I started screaming

452
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: for one of my roommates, and they came in and

453
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: they were like, what's wrong, What's wrong? And I'm like

454
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: and then at that point I could move my body

455
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: and it felt so real. But because I knew about

456
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis, I was able to kind of like understand

457
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: what was happening to me after the fact. And it

458
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: was also when I was going through it, the door

459
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: to my bedroom was open and that's where the figure

460
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 2: was standing. But when my roommate came in, they had

461
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: to open the door. So at that point I knew

462
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't real. But there are a lot of people. Yes,

463
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis is just something that happens, and it usually

464
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: happens when we're going through a lot of stress. Is

465
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: I think like the number one reason that they put

466
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: to it.

467
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: So then do you believe that what you were having

468
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: was a dream?

469
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah it was. What happens basically is your body,

470
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, your mind starts to wake up before your

471
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: body does, so you're still in like this weird state

472
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: of consciousness where you're in like this halfway between world's

473
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Now that being said, there are people

474
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: I've met who they are having something happened. That seems

475
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: like sleep paralysis, but we don't see any evidence that

476
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: it actually is sleep paralysis because it's coinciding with maybe

477
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: experiences that someone else is in the house is also experiencing. So,

478
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: for example, if a husband is having it happen, his

479
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: wife is experiencing the same thing he is, even though

480
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: she's fully awake. You know what I mean.

481
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: Do I feel like I often hear like a dog

482
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: barking at the thing or whatever, like, yeah, yeah.

483
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: The animals, yeah, yeah, Well they have a different field

484
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: of vision than us. You know, they also have a

485
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: different Yeah, their hearing is amazing, you know, as far

486
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: as the amount of frequencies they can they can pick up.

487
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: So we're very like, we're very narrow, I guess as

488
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: humans as far as you know, the spectrums that we

489
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: can see and hear.

490
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What about astro projection.

491
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do believe that. I've meant a lot of

492
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: people that I think are very credible who believe that

493
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: they can. I don't know if it's physically that they're

494
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: going there in some way, or if it's more like

495
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: a remote viewing type of thing for them, but I'll

496
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: tell you Michelle Belin, who we've had on portals many

497
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: times and you guys will see her on Season three

498
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: a few times. Ye, she's been on a few times

499
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: and her amazing. She's amazing. And I was working with

500
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: her over the summer where we had her do remote viewing.

501
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: So she's not astral projecting, but she is like going

502
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: into like kind of like a form of that where

503
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: you're taking your consciousness and putting it somewhere else. And

504
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: she drew she was drawing furniture that was in the building.

505
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: With me, Oh my god, it's like looking into a

506
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: crystal ball, you know, like in a movie or something like.

507
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so weird. And I mean and it

508
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: wasn't like here's a couch and I'm like, oh my god,

509
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: it's a couch. Like it was very very specific because

510
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I was in a bed and breakfast that had a

511
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: lot of antique furniture and you know, like I'm sitting

512
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: on an anty couch. It's like so detailed and like,

513
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, so she was drawing these details of this

514
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: antique furniture that was so you know, so specific, and

515
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: it was like she had I don't tell her where

516
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: I am. I don't let her see where I am, like,

517
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: you know. So, although that's not astral projection as defined,

518
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: it is remote viewing, which is kind of like the

519
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: same branch.

520
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: It's like a little offshoot, right whoa was she yeah,

521
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 3: drawing it as she was seeing it or like did

522
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: she see it and then draw it later?

523
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I think she does both, because we

524
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: also had her do another location and she drew the

525
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: outside of it like perfectly, like where we were, and

526
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: it was a place that had a lot of outbuildings

527
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: and she's like, Okay, there's a building here, building there,

528
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: and then there's like tall weeds and they like go

529
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: over hill, and here's the drawing I made. And so

530
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: she'll even do that for portals. A lot of times.

531
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: She'll start getting these images as she's driving, but she's

532
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: not driving because she's blindfolded, but as somebody from our

533
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: team is driving her, she'll ask for like a pen

534
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: and paper and she'll start drawing the images that she gets.

535
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: And there was one Portal's episode, I think it was

536
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: our season two opener, the Paulding Jail, the old Potting

537
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Jail in Ohio, and she started getting this imagery and

538
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: she drew the guy that everyone thinks haunts that place.

539
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: And what's weird is it's so Jack and I because

540
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: we found bones in one of the cells that had

541
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: been stoned and walled off. We had this bone sent

542
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: out because we're not bone experts. And what's really interesting is,

543
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: even if you are a bone expert, old bones are

544
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: really really hard to decipher if they're animal or human,

545
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: even for experts, you know, So we had them sent out,

546
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: but we were like, you know, we have to tell

547
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: the police just in case it is human, Like, we

548
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: have to report this. And Jack has a police back crown,

549
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: so you know, we walked over there and we met

550
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: with one of the officers and he was so nice

551
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: to us, and he was like, well, what are you

552
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: guys doing in town? Like what are you doing? And

553
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: we're like, well, we know this might sound a little strange,

554
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 2: but we're like looking for ghosts.

555
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: Hell and he's just like at the old jail.

556
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: We're like yeah, and he's like, yeah, I've seen him.

557
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: We're like what and he's just like, no, I saw him.

558
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: He's like because all the police officers used to be

559
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: at that jail not too long ago before they built

560
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: a new facility, and so when he was first starting out,

561
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: he said he was walking down one of the stairs

562
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: and he saw like the resonant ghosts that everyone talks about.

563
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: That is the one that Michelle drew. And he's like

564
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: saw him as plain as day. And so going back

565
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: to your other question where there's like patterns, this is somebody.

566
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the police officer. He's not out there

567
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: talking about a story to like, especially Michelle would never know,

568
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And here she is drawing

569
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: the ghosts that so many people have talked about and

570
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: seen over the years.

571
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah she So is she doing investigations

572
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: on this season like blindfolded as well as she's yeah.

573
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Me too. She prefers to work that way too, because

574
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: so as a psychic, and this is something I think

575
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: this is a big misunderstanding with how psychic works. People

576
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: are always like if your psychic, like you in the lottery,

577
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, that's not like how it works really,

578
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: But you know, so what happens is they get these

579
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: imageries or these or i'm sorry, these images or these

580
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: words and it's up for them to interpret. But what happens,

581
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: because again we're all coming into this world with our

582
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: own filters from childhood, from life experiences, from education. You know,

583
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: they have to. Psychics have to break through their own filters,

584
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: their own biases, their own perceptions of things, and still

585
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: interpret they're getting. So it takes somebody who's done a

586
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: lot of work, especially when it comes to location reading,

587
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: to be able to know, hey, when I get the

588
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: image for that, that's what I've seen that, it means,

589
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's again looking for patterns.

590
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when it comes to psychics, are there

591
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: like red flags for you in terms of people that

592
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: you won't work with?

593
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Or yeah?

594
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean definitely you want to. It's funny

595
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: because there are people, unfortunately that take advantage of others

596
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: and they are out there and it sucks because they

597
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: give the rest of the legitimate ones such a bad name.

598
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: You know. But I would say, if you're looking for

599
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: a psychic, you know, beware of how they operate. So,

600
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: for example, are they cold reading? Are they just giving

601
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: those generalized statements? Are you filling in the gaps? That's

602
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: the biggest things I tell people not to do. I'm like,

603
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: all you need to say is yes, nowhere maybe or

604
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, because a lot of

605
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: the times a psychic will say does that make sense

606
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: to you, say I don't know or maybe yeah, no,

607
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: you can like you can leave it like that. You

608
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: don't have to fill in the blanks. They're there to

609
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: do a service for you. And so sometimes after I've

610
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: worked with the psychic for a long time, like say

611
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: Michelle or Cindy or Chip or anybody like that, you know, well,

612
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: we'll go in and we'll do their cold read where

613
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: it's and it's not a cold read where they're like

614
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: fishing for things. It's a cold read where I mean

615
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: they literally don't know where they are, they don't know

616
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: what's happening. You know, Jack and I, especially Sarah Limos

617
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: and Cindy always always get nervous with me and Jack

618
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: because like.

619
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Jack and I are very like, we're giving you nothing.

620
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no expression on us. We're like all right,

621
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: and they're like, uh, that is so awful because it's

622
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: not how humans interact, right, But it's like we don't

623
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: want to we don't want to lead them any which way,

624
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: you know. So, uh, they'll do their thing and then

625
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: at the end we'll ask very specific questions and then

626
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: we'll fill them in, and sometimes that helps them understand

627
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: their interpretations better, you know, because they're like, oh, that

628
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: makes sense. That's why I was seeing this, or that's

629
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: why I was hearing this. I didn't understand it before,

630
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: And then they're able to be like, well, now that

631
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: I know this, I think it's a B and C

632
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: instead of what I said earlier.

633
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I like that way. Yeah, let's gather the things that

634
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: come into your brain or into your psychic abilities, and

635
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: then we'll put the pieces together later. But first give

636
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: us give us.

637
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: What you got, what you getting?

638
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.

639
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: Okay, wall I want to ask you more, okay things.

640
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: What do you think about time travel?

641
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I do we have it happening right now?

642
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Well? I don't know.

643
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: Like there's definitely like weird sides of the paranormal where

644
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: there's things that are like is this an idea of

645
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: time travel or portals or you know, like I don't know,

646
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: there's just a different dimension did something? You know all

647
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: of that kind of talk do you? Is that part

648
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: of your research or your findings?

649
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've definitely. I mean we talk about

650
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: it a lot, especially me and Jack. Jack and I

651
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: always get into these like weird, heady conversations about that

652
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And I mean, definitely, I think there's

653
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: as far as physics go, there's there is some support

654
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: for you know, multi dimensions or they multiverse, you know,

655
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: depending on which physicists you're talking to. But I don't

656
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: think we can rule anything out, like because again, like

657
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: I know that these things happen to people, so like

658
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: which which one is really more crazy? That there's something

659
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: left of us after we die, or that there is

660
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: another dimension. I mean, I kind of what is it

661
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: six and one half dozen any the other at that point?

662
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: And it is interesting with the paranormal It's like we

663
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: kind of, for so long now have this idea like that,

664
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, the basic idea is you die and then

665
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: your ghost is stuck in a place and that's that.

666
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: And it seems like there's there there's more to it,

667
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: but like you feel more crazy the more you get

668
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: into entertaining other ideas. But there's just some things that

669
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: really can't be explained unless you start going into those

670
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: weird corners of your mind.

671
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's just say that when we do die,

672
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, the next part isn't just another dimension. I

673
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, maybe it is.

674
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you where are you at with cryptids and

675
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: all of that?

676
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, cryptids are interesting. So like a Jersey devil, mockedman, bigfoot.

677
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: I think there's a thought that if there were other species,

678
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: we would know by now, right, if there were other

679
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: types of animals we would know. However, historically that's kind

680
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: of not been true really, you know. So I mean,

681
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: and I'm talking like old old, old timey type of things.

682
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting because I mean, an example,

683
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: look at dinosaurs, Like, how strange is it that there

684
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: were dinosaurs that used to walk the earth? You know,

685
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: It's it's just very bizarre that that existed. So could

686
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: something else exist?

687
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't.

688
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: Probability maybe no, but I still think there's a lot

689
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 2: of credible people that have seen things that don't really

690
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: add up. So are they? But then this goes into

691
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: your other dimension stuff you were talking about. So for example,

692
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: you go to Skinwalker Ranch and in the you and

693
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: a basin feel meet a lot of people that have

694
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: had very strange experiences with different animals, figures, things like

695
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: that that are very real to them. And so is

696
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: that another specie that we don't know about or is that,

697
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of dimensional thing going on. I

698
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: don't know, but I will say, like Mothman, Mothman's a

699
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: really interesting case because so many people witness that thing.

700
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: So many people witness it.

701
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of activity that's not just like

702
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: not consistent of just a regular old animal that we've

703
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: never seen before.

704
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I.

705
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: I really at this point because I've always kind of

706
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: been like big for where you at? Girl, But I

707
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: really I do think for me it could either be

708
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: the truth of the thought form people have created these

709
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: things somehow, or that they're ghosts or something like a

710
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: ghost and that's why you can't catch them, but people

711
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: still see them sometimes.

712
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

713
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: I have a friend who's that's his theory too, where

714
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: he's like bigfoots of ghosts.

715
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: It seems so good as Yeah.

716
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: So I don't think anything's out of Yeah. Again, I

717
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: go back to it, don't roll anything out until we

718
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: know for sure.

719
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything you know for sure paranormally?

720
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: No, that's the trick. No, there's nothing I know for sure.

721
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you're like, I'm pretty sure.

722
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: It exists or doesn't exist.

723
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: Well that you're just like I think I know, like,

724
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, you study this stuff for so many years

725
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: and then you see these patterns. Is there anything where

726
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: you're like, every time I've seen this, it's consistent with this,

727
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: and so I'm pretty sure I know that that's what makes.

728
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: That that thing.

729
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, No, I feel what you're saying. I

730
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: think as far as activity, it's more of a subjective feeling.

731
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: Okay, say that.

732
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: So there are and I think I've used this analogy

733
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: with you before. When you meet someone who's really negative

734
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: as a person, right, think back to the first time

735
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: you ever had that counter with that person, Like the

736
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: first time in your life you've ever met somebody with

737
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: that type of personality. There was probably something in you

738
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: where you knew something was off, but you didn't have

739
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: life experience in it yet, so you were like, Eh,

740
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: it's probably in my head, right, everything's fine, they're cool,

741
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: come to pass. They're like a terrible person, right, You're

742
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's what's going on with that person?

743
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

744
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: So then the next time you meet somebody same personality,

745
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: you're like, ah, I know this, I've been here before.

746
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: You're going to be very cautious with this person and

747
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: then the next time you meet somebody that has the

748
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: same thing, you might not give them the time of

749
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: day at that point because you've been down that road

750
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: a few times. So that's subjective, right, there's really nothing.

751
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: You might not have any concrete evidence to say that

752
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: that person's going to be Person B is going to

753
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: be like person A. But you know, subjectively there's something

754
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: there that's not I know there's something. It's a red flag.

755
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: I look at the feelings that we get in the

756
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: supernatural field the same way. Because you do things repetitively

757
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: for so long, you pick up on those patterns and

758
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: I can't put that feeling on a camera, I can't

759
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: put it on a recorder, but I feel it one

760
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: hundred percent. So it's like I'll go into certain places

761
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I know the feeling here because

762
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: I've done this before, and I'll say it, like, for example,

763
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: if I'm working with Jack, I'll be like, I did

764
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: a case like this ten years ago. I know this feeling,

765
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: this is what happened in there, And I would say

766
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: more than half the time it follows similar patterns from

767
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: a case I did before. You know, so I know

768
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: some of the paranormal shows get criticism for like, you

769
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: guys are just talking about your feelings. But that's part

770
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: of investigating, right, because again, we're trying to figure this out,

771
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: So it's important to talk about what you're feeling. Because

772
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: also when you live in a haunted house, FYI, that's

773
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: a lot of what people tell you. I felt like

774
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: something was wrong, I felt like somebody was looking at me,

775
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: I felt anxious, and you know, so yeah, yeah, we

776
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: talked about our feelings.

777
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: No, I think that's a great I like that analogy

778
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: because you know, that's where I'm always talking about my

779
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: intuition and how I'm afraid that I'm just being judgmental

780
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 3: as opposed to.

781
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: Actually feeling vibes off of someone or whatever. But yeah,

782
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I totally get that. Yeah.

783
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or like going to a party and being like

784
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: I was at a party like this one time and

785
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: it did not end well, I should just leave.

786
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's instinct, you know. And I oh, al

787
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: was I think it was this year or late last year.

788
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: Somebody tweeted me and I cannot find the tweet to say,

789
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: my life, but they said I was talking about something

790
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: supernatural and they were like, you know, humans are the

791
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 2: only animals that ignore their instincts, right, And I was like, yeah,

792
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: it's so true. We're totally taught to ignore it.

793
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: We're not like put at risk constantly the way that

794
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: like animals are, and so we're just like, who cares

795
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: if I don't listen to my instincts.

796
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm still fine. Now one's going to eat me? But yeah,

797
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: that is so true. Yeah, we could learn a lot

798
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: from the animals. Well, Katrina, I guess that's it.

799
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, thank you for having me again.

800
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Thank you.

801
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: So tell everybody about the new season, where to get it,

802
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: where to watch it, all that stuff.

803
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this is good. So Season three Portals

804
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: to Hell airs on April night on Travel Channel, but

805
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: you can also stream it the same day on Discovery Plus.

806
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: And there are thirteen brand spanking new episodes coming, so

807
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: thirteen amazing locations, and we're very excited. So I hope

808
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: you guys can check it out and enjoy what we do.

809
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: And there every week is a new episode.

810
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, every week, so thirteen weeks a cool, creepy.

811
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Please, amazing.

812
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also people should go back and watch the

813
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: past seasons that they haven't seen it, because you guys

814
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: are so I just love what you guys do and

815
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: I feel thank you. You know, we've had like you know,

816
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: Jack has been on the show, Michelle's been on the show.

817
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there's anybody else from your show

818
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: that has been on this podcast. But but I've been

819
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: singing the praises of this TV show since the beginning. Yeah,

820
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: I hope people check it out because I really like it.

821
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: And are there other psychics that are making appearance?

822
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so we have Michelle, Belja, Cindy Kasa, Chip

823
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: Coffee Chip is on Chip who I have known for many,

824
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: many years. We used to call him Uncle Chip or

825
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: Unkie Chip. Dear friends, Sarah, I don't think we tried.

826
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: We tried to get him for the Buffalo episode. We

827
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: did because he had been there before and he couldn't

828
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: make I think he had a last minute change in

829
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: his schedule, I think is what happened. So we finally

830
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 2: got him out. So very excited about that. Sarah Limos

831
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: comes out. There is another one that I don't know

832
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: that I can name them yet because it's a really

833
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: big deal. It's a really big deal that they came.

834
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: You have like a celebrity psychic of some sort.

835
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, I don't go I don't

836
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: think I can say anything yet.

837
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's me guys this whole time.

838
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just think people are gonna want to

839
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: and see this reading because it was pretty amazing.

840
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: When what episode or when? Do we know?

841
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: Just keep watching, just keep watching, just keep just watch

842
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: every week and then you'll see what we're talking about.

843
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: I'm like the worst person to ask for, Like, when

844
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 2: is that one coming?

845
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, right, no, I get that.

846
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: In the next thirteen weeks.

847
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, well I guess that's it.

848
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: Oh and people should follow you and and all that,

849
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: not just the TV show, because what's your What is

850
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: your Instagram?

851
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: Just Katrina Wideman, Katrina Wideman and it's we I D Man,

852
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: So you spell my last name and that's my thing

853
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: for everything. So for Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram. If I

854
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: ever do a TikTok, it'll.

855
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Be maybe a podcast sometimes Oh.

856
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Katrina Winman podcast.

857
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 3: They thank you, Katrina Widman. That will conclude this time's

858
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: conversation with Katrina. Go back and listen to the other

859
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 3: times that she's been on the show, and of course,

860
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: go watch Portals to Hell, Discovery plus three seasons now

861
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: great show.

862
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: I highly endorse it.

863
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to do a listener episode soon. God,

864
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: it's been a minute. I need to check in with

865
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: my listeners to send me a ghost story. Send me

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Speaker 3: all of your ghost stories, alien stories, whatever kind of story. Oh,

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Speaker 3: we had a black eyed children's story recently. Send those

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Speaker 3: two ghosted by Ros at gmail dot com. Subject line

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Speaker 3: listener episode, just bullet points. Just give me kind of

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Speaker 3: the gist of what your stories are about. I've got

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Speaker 3: some good interviews scheduled right now. Haven't recorded them yet,

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Speaker 3: but good guests I've got I have. This might even

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Speaker 3: be like, well, definitely one of the first times having

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Speaker 3: on a rockstar. I don't know if this person would

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Speaker 3: call them so that, but somebody from an iconic rock

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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