1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom of 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: twins chilling post just before she and her two little twins, 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: aged six years old, are shot dead in the family mansion, 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: this amidst a bitter, acrimonious, poisonous divorce. 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: I want to thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 4: Charity bialis, a dedicated mother of three, is determined to 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: rebuild her life after divorce and protect her children. What 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 4: she doesn't know is that the nightmare she's been trying 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 4: to escape is only just beginning. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 5: Before I go into the facts of how Charity, a 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 5: licensed practical nurse with her own practice. 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Was found dead, shot twice. 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 5: And from what I can tell, and I've been on 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 5: plenty of homicide cases, this is not a suicide murder. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: She is shot twice. 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 5: We've been told, in the chest and the head. That 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 5: was not a suicide. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: But get this. 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 5: Her two little twin children six years old, also dead 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 5: from gunshot wounds. That is the golden ticket. Right there. 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 5: A boy and a girl, twins, three of them gunned 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 5: down in their own home. There's another child. There's another child. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 5: His name is John Powell. He is Charity's oldest son, 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 5: and joining us tonight two very special guests, her son 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 5: John Powell, who is fighting for her in court as 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: we go to air tonight, and whom many people consider 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: to be Charity's soulmate, her father joining us, Randy Powell. Gentlemen, 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 5: thank you for being with us tonight, and thank. 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 6: You thanks for having us. It really means a lot. 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 5: To both of you, our deep, deep sympathies, and I 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 5: know we can't make you feel any better, but at 33 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 5: some point, please know there are thousands and thousands of 34 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: people out there that are praying for you and your 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 5: pain that you're going through. Matte John, when did you 36 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 5: learn and how did you learn your mother, Charity had 37 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: been killed? 38 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 7: I went to work, just a normal day, and before 39 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 7: I got out of work, I was getting text through 40 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 7: Facebook and text message that something bad had happened, and 41 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 7: nobody would tell me. 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 6: Really what it was, but something bad had happened. 43 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 8: And when I got home i left work, my grandfather 44 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 8: told me that people was already telling him through Facebook 45 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 8: and things that my mother and baby brother and sister 46 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 8: had been killed. 47 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 5: So you find out through basically digital media and then 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 5: start getting out of these calls. When did law enforcement 49 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 5: come and tell you? 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 6: They didn't? They never did. 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 9: We had to contact them and wait for a call 52 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 9: back from them. I had to reach out to a 53 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 9: man I went to school with that the sheriff in 54 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 9: a different county, and he got in touch with the corner, 55 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 9: and the corner told him. 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 10: It was okay to confirmed to me that they were 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 10: all dead. And then my daughter was shot twice and 58 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 10: the babies were shot through the chest, and. 59 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: That's how we found out, okay, I just got to 60 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 5: cut the chase. The husband, the doctor, how was he 61 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 5: regarded in the community. I don't understand why law enforcement 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 5: wouldn't come and tell you what happened. 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 10: Well, he had millions of dollars that he had soon 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 10: as she followed a divorce and handed it out to 65 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 10: anybody that would receptive of it. And I can't answer 66 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 10: that question to one. They wouldn't come and tell me. 67 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 10: They told me that they didn't have time, and that 68 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 10: they didn't know how to get in touch with me 69 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 10: was their excuse. 70 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 6: They're sorry, they didn't know how to get in touch 71 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 6: with me. 72 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 5: Mister Powell Randy Powell, Charity's father. When Charity married doctor 73 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 5: Bilis Bellois. Did she know he had another wife that 74 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 5: died of a gunshot wound? 75 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: Did she know that going into this, Yes. 76 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, she did. 77 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 11: Bi Alis, a highly regarded doctor specializing in family and 78 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 11: hospital medicine, was previously married to Shawna Jeanette Graham. Billis 79 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 11: a practical nurse who died in twenty twelve by a 80 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 11: gunshot wound to the head at the age of thirty four. 81 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 11: Her death was ruled self inflicted, but Shawna's family said 82 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 11: the death scene never made sense. 83 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 5: Okay, I've got so many directions I need to run 84 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 5: down with that, But let me state right now that 85 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 5: doctor Biellis is not named a suspect. 86 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: In this case. He is not named a person of interest. 87 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 5: His lawyer has sent us a really long statement that 88 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: says he had nothing to do. 89 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: With Charity's death. 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure they feel the same way about the first 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 5: wife's gunshot wound. They also state that Charity, miss Billis 92 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 5: now did, with her two children, made false accusations against 93 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 5: him in the past and it was all a lie. 94 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 5: But wait, notice a moment right there, I thought her husband, 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 5: the doctor, pled guilty to domestic assault strangling her choking her. 96 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 6: Yes, he pled guilty and the kids were there and 97 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 6: that's all on file. 98 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 5: Well, this says that that I'm holding up a letter 99 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 5: from them, a very lengthy letter. 100 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 3: I might add, by Michael D. 101 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 5: Pierce, who's the lawyer who says that Charity made false 102 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 5: accusations against him. 103 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: But you're telling me he played guilty. Isn't that right? 104 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 6: Correct? You correct? 105 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 5: And again the lawyer for doctor Biella says he had 106 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 5: nothing to do with Charity's death. A couple of questions 107 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: lightning around to Doug Warner. 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: First of all, the first wife. 109 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: Shawna, was found dead by law enforcement after they responded 110 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: to a welfare check request. 111 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: Is that right that the exact circumstances, I'm not sure. 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 12: I just know after the family could not reach her, 113 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 12: that she was being discovered with at least one gunshot. 114 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: Win Okay, one gunshot win. 115 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: I wonder what caliber that was. 116 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 5: Do you know where on her body she was shot, 117 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 5: Doug Warner? 118 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 12: From that autopsy, it does say in the skull, in 119 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 12: the head in the twelve o'clock position, so that. 120 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: It got it in the head, just like Charity. 121 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: Okay, lightning round, lightning round, Okay, shot in the head. 122 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: Where was her body found? 123 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: Doug Warner. 124 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 12: In I believe it said in the bedroom. I'm not 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 12: sure where in the bedroom. Again, I literally just got 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 12: my hands on that autopsy report in the home. 127 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: In the family home. 128 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: In the home at that time, Shawna had one child, 129 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 5: a little girl. 130 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: Is that correct? 131 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 12: Yes, but I'm aware of yes, that the family has 132 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 12: told me at about two or three years old. 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 11: Responding officers entered the home and found Shawna shot to 134 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 11: death in their bedroom, according to the report. In the 135 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 11: incident report, police also noted furniture and other items scattered 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 11: around the home. According to the police report, Randall left 137 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 11: work to return home due to Shawna threatening to kill herself. 138 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 11: After four Randall returned to work, only to find his 139 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 11: wife dead. A few hours later. Medical examiner determined it 140 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 11: was suicide, and the case was re examined in twenty 141 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 11: twenty one, when it appears that Randy Powell told police 142 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 11: that Charity knew who did it. 143 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 5: That photo of the mansion we got from our friends 144 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 5: over at five News straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan 145 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 5: joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is the 146 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 5: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is 147 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: the star of a hit series Body Bags of Joe 148 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: Scott Morgan. 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: But for my purposes, he. 150 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: Has investigated over ten thousand death scenes. 151 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 5: That's accident, suicide, natural causes like heart attack, stroke unexplained, 152 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: and of course homicide. Joe Scott, you know my head's 153 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 5: about to blow off right now, do you? In my world, 154 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 5: I look for similarities. And let me say again, the 155 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: doctor who was married to Shauna and. 156 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: Charity as I had nothing to do with this. 157 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 5: He's not a person of interest, he's not a suspect. 158 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: He hasn't been named, he hasn't been arrested. Both women 159 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: look alike. Number one, Both women are shot with a handgun. 160 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 5: We believe if it had been a long gun, like 161 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: a shotgun, we'd know that by now. Both of them 162 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 5: shot in the head. Both of them had minor children. 163 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 5: In the current case, the children are six. In Shauna's case, 164 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: the child is three. Both were in the middle of 165 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 5: domestic turmoil. Let me say the marriage was blowing up. 166 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 5: Both women were found at home, were shot in the home, 167 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: and their bodies found in the home. 168 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 13: Seemingly. Yes, I got to tell you, speaking to your 169 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 13: previous guest, Doug. I'd love to see that autopsy report. 170 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 13: I'd love to dig into that. I got to tell you, 171 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 13: we look for similarities and things, don't we, Nancy. I 172 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 13: want to know the status of that weapon from the 173 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 13: initial event from this suicide. I want to know who 174 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 13: owned it, and I also want to know the nature 175 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 13: of the scene itself when compared to the current tragedy 176 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 13: that we're speaking of. I want to know what kind 177 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 13: of similarities existed there. Also, I would like to know if, 178 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 13: in fact, there were any signs of a struggle at 179 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 13: the scene at either one of them, because you know, 180 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 13: again we're going down this road of thinking about similarities. 181 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 13: Was there any kind of evidence that someone had raised 182 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 13: a hand at some point, Tom restrained somebody. Was there 183 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 13: any chance that, you know, because you have to eliminate 184 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 13: this idea that if they're saying that this is someone 185 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 13: else that's done it, we want to know if we 186 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 13: can eliminate that and strike that off the list. However, 187 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 13: I will say this nance most of the time, as 188 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 13: you well know, most people that wind up dead in 189 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 13: a circumstance like this, you always have to look at 190 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 13: those in the immediate, intimate circle, and as an investigator, 191 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 13: that's what I'm anxious to dig into. 192 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 14: You know. 193 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 5: Another similarity is that both women were autopsied by the 194 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 5: same person. 195 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: Yep, that's rare, isn't it. 196 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 13: Yeah, it is if we're talking about the Fort Smith area, 197 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 13: it's not. And if this individual that did this autopsy 198 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 13: is a board certified forensic pathologist first off, so people 199 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 13: understand the nature of the business, they're rare as hens teeth. 200 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 13: There's probably more neurosurgeons in this world than there are 201 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 13: forensic pathologists nationwide. So the fact that we have one 202 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 13: in that area, who exactly would it be that that 203 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 13: would have done this post? What's their relationship in any 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 13: way to the political sphere up there? I'd like to know, 205 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 13: are there any other issues with them? And what specifically? 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 13: You know, this is the medical community we're talking about, 207 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 13: right nings that that peels back another totally different layer 208 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 13: here when you begin to think about. 209 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 5: That this so she's got one doctor medical examiner and 210 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: the husband is also a doctor. 211 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, and that's certainly something that we would we 212 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 13: would want to, you know, lean into and try to 213 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 13: understand that. If we think about are there any kind 214 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 13: of is there any kind of connective tissue between that 215 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 13: individual and this individual. And look, this is just probative 216 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 13: information that you mean, Mike. 217 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: Did they go to the same medical school, Did they 218 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 5: go to the same undergrad Did they go to the 219 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 5: same country club? 220 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 3: Did they run in the same circles that whole thing. 221 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 13: Yeah, country club, primarily church, anything in that area. You know, 222 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 13: the chances you're going to have these two that went 223 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 13: to the same med school are kind of rare. But 224 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 13: when you insert yourself into a community, particularly one the 225 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 13: size of the Smart Fort Smith area, you're going to 226 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 13: have this connective tissue. Were they aware of one another 227 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 13: on any level? So that's something I would certainly want 228 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 13: to explore as an investigator. 229 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: Let me go back to our special guests, and we've 230 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 5: got an all star panel tonight, but I want to 231 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 5: hear Charity's son John and her father Randy, who I've 232 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: described as her soulmate. As a matter of fact, he 233 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 5: tells me that with John, who's sitting right there beside him, 234 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 5: Charity insisted that he Randy, her father, be guardian legal 235 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 5: guardian over John because of the tempestuous relationship that she 236 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 5: had with doctor Biellis. In case anything happened to her. 237 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: She wanted her father, the man she trusted the most 238 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 5: in this world, to be guardian over her son. Got 239 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 5: a question for you, John or Randy. Let me throw 240 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: it to John first. Where in her mansion? And it 241 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 5: was a mansion, Let's see a picture of where these 242 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 5: this family lived. Where in her mansion was her body found? 243 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 5: Good gravy, that's big. 244 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: Where was she found within the mansion? John? 245 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 7: So the authorities haven't told us exactly where the bodies 246 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 7: was found, but we do know they were upstairs. And 247 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 7: I do know that every bedroom in that house was upstairs. 248 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 6: So that's all that I know now. 249 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 10: Upstairs is the only answer we are from Sebastian Kereth. 250 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 5: That photo of the mansion we got from our friends 251 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 5: over at five News, and that's where all the bedrooms. 252 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 6: Are, correct, right, yes, ma'am? 253 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 5: And do you know do you know, Doug Warner, what 254 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: room in which they were found? And were the children, 255 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: the two little six year old twins beside her or 256 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 5: with her? How were the bodies found? 257 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 13: Doug? 258 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: What do you know? 259 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 12: That is the tough thing here. I've been doing this 260 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 12: for three plus decades and it's been over a week 261 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 12: now and we've got the zero fountain of information out 262 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 12: of the Sheriff's office. Other than to kind of a 263 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 12: resume of the work they've done. They've put out nearly 264 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 12: two dozen search warrants that they've been included and brought 265 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 12: in the US Secret Service. 266 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: And Homeland Security. And I asked about that. 267 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 12: That seems like a strange addition to this investigative unit 268 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 12: along with state police. They said, that's for a kind 269 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 12: of a more of a deep dive forensics. They have 270 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 12: not provided any information. In fact, they never even said 271 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 12: it was her children that were found shot to death. 272 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 12: They just said Charity of Bielis and two children. It 273 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 12: was not until we talked to the family that we 274 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 12: confirmed it it was those twin twin. 275 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 5: Children that photo of the mansion we got from our 276 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 5: friends over at five News. Let me go quickly to 277 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 5: a veteran trial lawyer on the other side of the 278 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: fence from me, Greg Moorse, veteran defense attorney who founded 279 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 5: Morse Legal. He is the author of the Untested and 280 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 5: you can find him at Morse legal dot com. Morse, 281 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 5: you know where I'm going Now. I've got two other 282 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: bricks in my wall, both cases the victims are shot 283 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: with a handgun. Both were found we believe in the bedroom. 284 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 15: Well, you're you're you're talking about in federal court for 285 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 15: or for be evidence substantially similar, which can be introduced 286 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 15: against it several court. 287 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: This is going to be a state stay, every. 288 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 5: Sack court, every similar y, also every federal statue. 289 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 15: Every state has the same law. They just call it 290 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 15: something different. Florida calls at William's rule. And these are generalities, 291 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 15: all right, So someone was shot with a handgun. 292 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: Two people. 293 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 15: Handguns are used in most crimes. There are women. Okay, 294 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 15: that's a pretty common thing. Fifty one percent of the 295 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 15: country is women. 296 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: There's nothing specifically, I'm married to doctor Randy b Allis. 297 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 15: No, but you're winning for substantially substantially similar under the law. 298 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 15: I mean, this person could just tragically be unlucky. This 299 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 15: could be coincidental for this person. We also have in Arkansas, 300 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 15: it's the eleventh highest suicide rate in America. So they're substantially similar. 301 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 15: While it is, You're right, this could be used and 302 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 15: if the doctor is charged, they would maybe try to 303 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 15: get this in even though there's a designation of suicide. However, 304 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 15: these are generalities. Right now, there's nothing that's linking it back. 305 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 15: But one thing that is important I would like to 306 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 15: know is have any shellcasings or any type of fragments 307 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 15: been found, and have they been entered into the National 308 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 15: database NIBIN and to see what type of hits come 309 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 15: on those, because that's a database that takes all fragments, 310 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 15: whether someone is arrested or not, all shellcasings that police 311 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 15: find in responding to an event and it's put into 312 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 15: this national database. So you're right, there are similarities because 313 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 15: this person was married as first wife suicide, second wife suicide, 314 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 15: they're women a handgun, but you would need more specifics 315 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 15: to get that in under substantial. 316 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 5: Hartley hold On, nobody said suicide in Charity's death. In fact, 317 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 5: she was shot in the head and the chest. Joe 318 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 5: Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. What if I listen 319 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 5: to Morse, I've got to believe either her six year 320 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: old child shot her and their sibling, or I have 321 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: to believe she Charity shot herself in the chest and went, yeah, 322 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 5: that's not good enough. I'll now shat myself in the head. 323 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 3: That did not happen. 324 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 13: No, I think that that's completely implausible. I would going 325 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 13: back to the rounds that were fired, I would like 326 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 13: to know the nature of those and specifically the caliber 327 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 13: of the weapon that you utilized. I want to know 328 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 13: the status of this previously owned weapon. I want to 329 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 13: know where it is, whose hands it is in at 330 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 13: this moment in Tom, I want to know if there's 331 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 13: any been any kind of recent purchases of firearms on 332 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 13: the part of any of the parties involved in this case. 333 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 13: I want to know if our victim, this mother, I 334 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 13: want to know if she's purchased a handgun recently, or 335 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 13: maybe she was gifted a handgun. I want to know 336 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 13: all of that data so that it can completely be assessed. 337 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 13: Any rounds that perhaps were recovered from this first case 338 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 13: that we mentioned, I want to know what the status 339 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 13: of that round is. I want to know is there 340 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 13: a ballistic match to that earlier weapon. And here's the 341 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 13: big one, I want to know if that round from 342 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 13: that earlier suicide could potentially match the ones involved in 343 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 13: this questioned homicide. 344 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 5: At this moment in Tom, again, I want to stress 345 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 5: we are not trying to put the husband in jail. 346 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 5: I want the killer in jail. Doctor Bialis has not 347 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: been named a suspect. He's not been named a person 348 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 5: of interest. He has not been arrested. 349 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: In fact, he. 350 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 5: Asserts his innocence as we go to air tonight. He 351 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 5: has presumed innocent under the law. 352 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 7: Remember as a good Christian woman that loved her children 353 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 7: and loved her family and friends more than anything. But 354 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 7: she always put God first. And I'm grateful for that 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 7: because I know where she is now. 356 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 11: And December third, Sebastian County Sheriff's welfare check on Charity 357 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 11: be Alice at home, but as a police joined and 358 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 11: failing to get a response from inside the mansion, two 359 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 11: workers escort officers into the home. Officers locate the body 360 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 11: of Charity be Alice and two children. All three have 361 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 11: gunshot wounds. 362 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. 363 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: Charity's courage and unwavery love for her children are tested 364 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: when her a Streams husband grows increasingly dangerous. Randall b 365 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 4: Allis allegedly choked Charity in front of their young children. 366 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: Pleading guilty to third degree domestic battery. 367 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 5: As an all Star panel, but I want to go 368 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 5: back to Charity's first son. He's joining us tonight is 369 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 5: John Powell and joining us is who many people consider 370 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 5: to be Charity's soulmate, her father. They were very close, 371 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 5: practically connected, joined at the hip. 372 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: So loving each other. 373 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 5: To John, I've seen photos of you with her twins, 374 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: the boy and the girl. There you are holding them. 375 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 5: One thing that really was poignant to me. First of all, 376 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 5: in a lot of the photos I've spotted the same 377 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 5: little outfits, the exact same outfits I got for my daughter. 378 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 5: The one where she's playing in water that looks like 379 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 5: one of Lucy's nightgowns, one of her favorite nightgowns. You 380 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: were all the time, that one, that's the exact thing 381 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 5: my daughter wore until she couldn't wear it anymore. In 382 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 5: another photo, she's got on a little reddish colored velvet dress. 383 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 5: And then there's a Hello Kitty T shirt eat the 384 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 5: same yep, that's from Target. 385 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: There's a Hello Kitty. And in that photo. 386 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 5: Right there, I see and in a couple of others, 387 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 5: I see where your mom would wear put on her 388 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: lipstick before the photo. And then I see where your 389 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: little sister said, Mom, I want lipstick, and so she 390 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 5: put lipstick on her baby girl. I'm just she loved 391 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 5: them so much. I want you to tell me about 392 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: charity as a mother, John. 393 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 7: She she was a very loving mother, without a doubt. 394 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 7: She loved her her kids more than anything, expect she 395 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 7: loved family. 396 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 6: She always put God first. 397 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 7: She actually had a passion if she was to be 398 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 7: able to make it through this divorce case, to pursue 399 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 7: spreading awareness for domestic violence. 400 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 6: And not only for small towns in the. 401 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 7: State of Arkansas, but try to make it known through 402 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 7: the entire nation. But she really had a passion for that, 403 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 7: and she loved her children more than anything. 404 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: And you know what's interesting, John Powell, Well, so many things. 405 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 5: But women will put up with a lot to hold 406 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 5: the family together. They'll put up with lying, cheating, drinking, horring, gambling, drugs, 407 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 5: the whole she bang, because you try to hide it 408 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 5: from your children so they have this as best as 409 00:23:52,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: you can give them a picture perfect childhood. Okay, about 410 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 5: your mom, because she is gunned down dead in the 411 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: middle of a contentious divorce proceeding. Why did your mom 412 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 5: state she wanted a divorce from doctor b Ellis. 413 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 7: He was very abusive and it's on file he pled 414 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 7: guilty to choking her and in front of the children. 415 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 7: She was very scared, and she would just beat down 416 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 7: mentally and she would you know, physically, that's on file 417 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 7: as well. But she was just trying to make it 418 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 7: better for her children. 419 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 14: The murder of Charities and her twins comes one day 420 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 14: after a final divorce hearing with ex husband doctor Randall Beellis. 421 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 14: Randy and Charity be Ellis Mary in twenty fifteen and 422 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 14: have the twins, a son and daughter. In twenty nineteen, 423 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 14: Charity files for divorce and full custody of the couple's twins, 424 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 14: son and daughter, as well as an order of protection. 425 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 14: In the final divorce hearing, doctor Randy Beellis is awarded 426 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 14: joint custody of the children. 427 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 5: What is really interesting to me is that, of course 428 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 5: you heard the timing right there. This is one day, 429 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 5: one day after a final divorce hearing between the two 430 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: of them, and some judge gives doctor be Allis joint custody. 431 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 5: That's even custody fifty to fifty to doctor Ballis, even 432 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 5: though he has a domestic abuse conviction. 433 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 11: Listen Dan years of marriage ends with Randy Bellis charged 434 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 11: accused physical harm to his wife and mother of his 435 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 11: children by choking her bi Alis Carter to jail while 436 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 11: Charity plans a divorce to Randy Powell. 437 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 5: This is Charity's father who she trusted so much she 438 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 5: wanted him to be legal guardian over her oldest son, John, 439 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: sitting right there in case anything ever happened to her. 440 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 5: I'm confused about how a man, even though he is 441 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 5: a well known and well liked medical doctor, how did 442 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 5: he get joint custody when he pled guilty to domestic 443 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 5: assault domestic battery. 444 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 10: Millions of dollars can do wonders, so I have no 445 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 10: idea how any judge could give him any kind of custody. 446 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 11: After filing for divorce and custody, Charity finds herself treated unfairly. 447 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 11: A strange husband, Randy Billi's domestic violence charges have yet 448 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 11: to be adjudicated, and Charity posting I'm the victim, yet 449 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 11: I've been treated like the problem while the criminal, a 450 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 11: local doctor, is being shielded by the very system that's 451 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 11: supposed to protect us. And so she tried reaching out 452 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 11: to prosecuting attorney, but he won't even accept a letter 453 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 11: from me. 454 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 4: Desperate to protect her family, Charity takes the brave step 455 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: in filing for both a divorce and a protective order 456 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 4: against Randall. 457 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: After the final divorce. Hearing the unthinkable happens, Charity and 458 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 2: her children are brutally killed. 459 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: Shortly before her death, Charity Baalis, mother, beloved member of 460 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 5: her entire family, is found shot dead. 461 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: One shot to the head. 462 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 5: One shot to the chest, we have been told, although 463 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 5: the autopsy has been kept secret, along with her her 464 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 5: two children, twins boy and girl, Eleana and Maverick, just 465 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 5: six years old, we are told, shot in the chest. 466 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 5: Just before that, a cryptic post made ostensibly by Charity, 467 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 5: and it states, quote, if a woman's partner has ever 468 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 5: strangled her even once, her risk of being murdered by 469 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 5: that same partner with a gun shoots up seven hundred 470 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 5: and fifty percent compared to a woman who has never 471 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 5: been strangled, shared by a Daily Press article. Straight out 472 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 5: to doctor Janey Lacey, joining US, licensed psychotherapist, CEO of 473 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 5: Life Counseling Solutions, author of How to Heal from a 474 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 5: Toxic Relationship, and host of the Resilient Professional podcast, Doctor 475 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 5: Janey Lacy, thank you for being with us. What can 476 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 5: you tell me regarding the stats on women that have 477 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: been strangled by their partner and lived at least through 478 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 5: that incident. 479 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 16: You know, Nancy, strangulation is the single most important warning 480 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 16: sign we have. When a partner puts their hands around 481 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 16: someone's neck, they're rehearsing murder. The research is clear, a 482 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 16: woman who's been strangled by her partner, and Charity shared 483 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 16: that in her post, is seven and a half times 484 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 16: more likely to be killed by him. 485 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 17: And that's not a red flag. That's a death sentence 486 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 17: waiting to happen. And here's what people don't understand, Nancy, 487 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 17: is you can strangle someone and leave no marks, and 488 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 17: when victims reported, there's no music, there's no bruising, so 489 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 17: they're often not even believed. And it's not about anger 490 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 17: in that moment, it's about showing her I own your 491 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 17: next breath, Nancy. 492 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: Doctor Janey. 493 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: She stated in her very mysterious post prior to her 494 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 5: murder that women that had been strangled and survived that strangulation, 495 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 5: that there're seven hundred and fifty percent more likely to 496 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 5: be killed. 497 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: She says, my. 498 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 5: Gunshot than women who have never endured a strangulation, seven 499 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty percent more likely. 500 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: That's a lot. 501 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 18: That is a lot, Nancy, and that's exactly correct. Is 502 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 18: when a woman who gets strangled, it becomes seven hundred 503 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 18: and fifty percent. Let's kind of think about that more 504 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 18: likely to be killed by him, and to me, that 505 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 18: is not a red flag. 506 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: That is a death sentence waiting to happen. 507 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 17: And we know strangulation is the single most important warning 508 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 17: sign that we have, and that is important. 509 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: For us to understand. 510 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 17: When you strangle someone, you don't leave any room, you 511 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 17: don't leave any marks. You're telling that person I can 512 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 17: take your breath away at any moment, and we know 513 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 17: that that person is not We're dealing with someone capable 514 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 17: of killing Nancy. 515 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 516 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: Let me go back to Charity's son, John, her oldest son, 517 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 5: and her father Randy joining us tonight. I'd like to 518 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 5: ask you, gentlemen, about a document from the Arkansas State 519 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 5: Police Crimes against Children Unit. Now, this document is sent 520 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 5: to Eleianna and Maverick Bialis in care of Charity, your 521 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 5: mother daughter. It's from a caseworker, Alaura Perry in Van 522 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 5: Buren and important. The date is this past summer July fifteen, 523 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. Name of the alleged victims, Eleiana and 524 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 5: Maverick b Allis. 525 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: Those are the twins now dead, shot dead. 526 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 5: The name of the alleged offender is Randy B. Allis 527 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 5: aka doctor Ballis. It says the Arkansas State Police received 528 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 5: allegations of child maltreatment involving the above. It was reported 529 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 5: on March thirty one, twenty five. Based on a preponderance 530 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 5: of evidence, the agency deems the allegation to be true 531 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 5: and doctor Beallis's name should be placed in the Child 532 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 5: Maltreatment Central Registry. Let's put the document up on the screen. 533 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 5: It's stay that the type of maltreatment was abuse parenne 534 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 5: abuse with or without physical injury for both children, and 535 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 5: abuse threat of harm to the boy. Maverick, did Charity 536 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 5: ever confide in either of you, Randy or John, why 537 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 5: this complaint was filed and why the allegations were deemed 538 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: by a proprieenance of evidence to be true by the 539 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: Arkansas Arkansas State Police Crimes against Children Unit. 540 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: What happened that. 541 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 10: They conveyed to her some of what had happened, and 542 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 10: she reached out to for help, and they had done 543 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 10: a forensic interview with the children, and that was the 544 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 10: outcomes about all I know to say, I'm pretty well 545 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 10: mentally and physically exhausted. 546 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 7: Once they figured out that Blis wasn't going to be 547 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 7: around them, then they were feeling better about telling my 548 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 7: mother what had happened to. 549 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 5: Chris McDonald joining me, director of the Cold Case Foundation, 550 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: former homicide detective, over three hundred homicides under his belt 551 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 5: that he personally investigated. He is the star of the 552 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 5: interview room on YouTube where I found him. We now 553 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 5: have claims by the mom who posts a cryptic post 554 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 5: about strangulation by an intimate partner? Is it semantics smothering 555 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: by asphyxiation such as with a pillow, smothering by hand 556 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 5: or ligature? In both ms, the victim is being deprived 557 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 5: of air. 558 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: What do you think about that, Chris? 559 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 19: You know, Nancy, the fact that two children were murdered, 560 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 19: remember they were murdered here, and the fact that the 561 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 19: manner of death potentially initially could have been strangulation or suffocation. 562 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 19: The kids, from an investigative aspect, are really the lynchpin 563 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 19: to solving this particular crime because you have two adults 564 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 19: who are obviously having a domestic but then you have 565 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 19: two innocent lives potentially in their rooms upstairs in that house. 566 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 19: And so now you now shift that type of weapon 567 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 19: to a handgun, which is also very personal to somebody 568 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 19: in connection to those children. And so I think that's 569 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 19: where the forensics expertise of the Secret Service is going 570 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 19: to come in here, because they're going to go back 571 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 19: and they're going to try to pull ballistics, they're going 572 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 19: to try digital evidence, etc. And they're going to try 573 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 19: to make sense of that. So it's really not a 574 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 19: who've done it? It's more of why was it done. 575 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 5: In my name? 576 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 13: I paid for it. 577 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 16: I'm shutting it off. 578 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 5: John Powell, we just showed a video of doctor b 579 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 5: Alice slashing your tires of your truck. 580 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 3: What happened? 581 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 7: So I actually was trying to do good for myself 582 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 7: and uh become a lineman. 583 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 6: I was applying to go to Liman. 584 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 7: School, uh, and I had just gotten back from there 585 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 7: across the state, and when I entered the house, Bielis 586 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 7: started mouthing me and using profanity and being real negative 587 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 7: towards me. And I didn't know really why or what 588 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 7: was the cause for it, but it ended up being 589 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 7: something about my phone and not texting back quick enough 590 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 7: or just something that didn't make any sense to me. 591 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 6: And he told my mom to grab a knife and go. 592 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 7: Out there and start trying to stab my tires. Uh, 593 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 7: and she couldn't do it. And then that's when you 594 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 7: see him come behind with the knife as well and 595 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 7: start stabbing every single one of them, and taught me 596 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 7: with the knife with my baby brother in his arm. 597 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 7: So I pulled up my phone. That's all I knew 598 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 7: to do video because I didn't. 599 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 6: Know what else to do. 600 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 7: I knew he was a powerful man that has gotten 601 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 7: away with things in the past that and you know, 602 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 7: he's done things to me that we're. 603 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 6: Not right, and I couldn't get on video. 604 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 7: So I'm thankful I could get this one on video 605 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 7: to show the world that something needs to be done. 606 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: What was your mom doing during all this? What was 607 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 3: she saying? 608 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 7: Trying to get the phone because he knew that if 609 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 7: it was on video that something could happen to him. 610 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 6: But I don't think he was real worried about it. 611 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 6: But he didn't know that the phones needed to be 612 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 6: tooken away. 613 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 5: Tell me about your little brother and sister, Maverick and Iliana. 614 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 6: They were very precious and they were innocent. 615 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 7: You know, my baby brother learned how to play chess 616 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 7: in forty five minutes at six years old. 617 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 6: Very very smart. So was Eleana. 618 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 7: She could paint and draw a pick is like somebody 619 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 7: thirty years old at you know, when she was six 620 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 7: years old. They were very very smart and talented and gifted. 621 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 6: Just one of a kind. 622 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 5: As we go to air tonight, I want to stress 623 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 5: that doctor Bealls has not been charged. He has not 624 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 5: been named a suspect, He has not been named a 625 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 5: person of interest. 626 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: In fact, he insists he is innocent. 627 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 5: I got a question for you, Randy Powell, who would 628 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 5: get that house? It's valued in around seven hundred and 629 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 5: sixty eight thousand dollars. Would that since the children have 630 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 5: been killed, who would that go to? In the event 631 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 5: of Charity's death. 632 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 10: It would go to John Powell. But Michael Pierce, the 633 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 10: attorney for be Alice, the next day made a motion 634 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 10: to dismiss the divorce so that it would all go 635 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 10: back to be Alice. 636 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 6: We have a legal team fighting that as we speak. 637 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 5: That photo of the mansion we got from our friends 638 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 5: over at five News. 639 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: Okay, explain that to me John, you're fighting. 640 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 2: Was it the day after her body was found, Doctor 641 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: b Allison? 642 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 5: Yes, correct, yes, what did you do regard to the 643 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 5: divorce proceeding? 644 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 6: Missed the divorce? So everything I'll go back to Beelis. 645 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 7: And that's what my man, my legal team have been 646 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 7: fighting to do is get control of my mom's body 647 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 7: and try to get Elanna and Maverick if we can, 648 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 7: and in proceed with the divorce case. 649 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 6: So all that will be through because it needs to be. 650 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 10: In the divorce decree, she was awarded half the property, 651 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 10: her car and some money. They were to sell the 652 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 10: house at auction and split the profits and her get 653 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 10: her car and some money. And he's trying to get dismissed. 654 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 10: I assume, so that doesn't happen. 655 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 5: So the divorce were still pending, then everything would go 656 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 5: to him, right, it's right, okay. Another thing you mentioned, 657 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 5: you're trying. 658 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 3: To get her body. Where is her body. 659 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 10: Punla Little Rock? 660 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 6: Yes? Currently he's still in the crime lab at Little Rock. 661 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 3: Why hasn't there been a few I have. 662 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 6: We couldn't do. They won't tell us. 663 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 10: They won't even tell us when or for hour i'mout 664 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 10: releasing the body. 665 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 6: You've heard nothing went out just as much as everyone else. 666 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just nothing. 667 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 5: Yet we wait as justice unfolds, If you know or 668 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 5: think you know anything about the brutal murder of Charity 669 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 5: bi Alice or her young twins, Eleana and Maverick, please 670 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 5: call Sebastian County Sheriffs four seven nine seven eight three 671 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 5: one zero five one. As you know, Homeland Security and 672 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 5: Secret Service has been called in on this investigation. Four 673 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 5: seven nine seven eight three one zero five one. We 674 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 5: remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff John Michael Melvin, Grant 675 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 5: County Sheriff's Washington, killed in the line of duty after 676 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 5: serving thirty five years, leaving behind a broken hearted son. 677 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 5: American hero Deputy Sheriff John Michael Melvin, Nancy Gray signing 678 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 5: off goodbye friend,