Speaker 1: He laugh. If you watch Coffee Time too, baby, you
Speaker 1: know the name Flame, my role also known as my
Speaker 1: role Flame. Come in with last and come in with
Speaker 1: Jim love lounds. Baby, you better catch it when you
Speaker 1: can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to polytics shouting now
Speaker 1: comics just paying homics. What's up? Tip? Yeah you know
Speaker 1: she raped shot towns on speaking to the ground. And
Speaker 1: second we're gonna last cut of the kicking and at
Speaker 1: the end we leave it with just a lift spirit
Speaker 1: to think you want to revisit, so your first take
Speaker 1: a list of your folks like its lif all folks
Speaker 1: that we take it. No do what you do, No
Speaker 1: do what you do? Can't no fish do what I do?
Speaker 1: No fish. Hello, everyone, welcome to laugh and learned. We
Speaker 1: hope you had a great week. It is Monday. We
Speaker 1: are starting off this show with your bank bang. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys joining in and yeah, with your bank bang,
Speaker 1: and we want you guys to chime in because the
Speaker 1: conversation may go a little left today. I'm gonna trying
Speaker 1: to keep it light, but some things you just can't
Speaker 1: make light up. We're gonna just talk about it. Where's
Speaker 1: our nick? Is our nick? Here because we had a
Speaker 1: very interesting week. What happened this past week or this
Speaker 1: past week? I got my name? Didn't talk about that?
Speaker 1: Last money was that last month that I happened that?
Speaker 1: That was last Monday after the laughallon that I got
Speaker 1: my name on the wall. Oh no, you didn't talk
Speaker 1: about it. You went to go do that after so
Speaker 1: talk about it. Hello, Nicholas, good afternoon. How are you
Speaker 1: two doing. I was inducted into well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a documentary coming out for the Comedy Store. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was so. I was inducted into the Wall of
Speaker 1: Fame at the Comedy Store. So my name is amongst
Speaker 1: so many legends, and I was great. I feel great
Speaker 1: about that. Thank you a guy Tory for making it happen.
Speaker 1: And Reginald Hundling of the Hullan Brothers Boomerang House Party.
Speaker 1: He was the director of that. We had a great time,
Speaker 1: lou Nell. So many legends were their Affian Crock Kids,
Speaker 1: the entertainer, Guy Tory, Joe Tory, Um Kim Whiley just
Speaker 1: so many, myri j So thank you for me making
Speaker 1: me a part of that. Rest in peace, speaking of
Speaker 1: comedians to the last of the of a dying breed,
Speaker 1: the last of the greats, which was Paul Mooney, who
Speaker 1: passed on just past week. Um wow. And I did
Speaker 1: an interview with Tasha K the day before he passed,
Speaker 1: and we had just talked about Paul Mooney. She asked
Speaker 1: me who I admired. I told her the story of
Speaker 1: how I met him and who he was and what
Speaker 1: he said to me. But I'll tell you guys that later. Well,
Speaker 1: y'all watched Tasha K's interview when we when she drops it,
Speaker 1: I think it's Thursday. So yeah, Paul Mooney was the
Speaker 1: last of that era of the George Carlins and the
Speaker 1: uh oh, Dick Gregory's and the h Richard Pryor five
Speaker 1: Foxes and the wand the Page and so many others.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're having a memorial for him this Thursday.
Speaker 1: I'll be there. They're having the tribute. I'll be the fat,
Speaker 1: pretty one. I want to wear this. I might wear
Speaker 1: this head, but I want with this out, this shirt,
Speaker 1: this shirt. This is not complimenting me at all. Don't
Speaker 1: look like I'm about to run track. Serious, my week
Speaker 1: was good. Two things that you just mentioned I want
Speaker 1: you to kind of expound on those if you would.
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, why was it so important
Speaker 1: to being be included amongst these other comedians um at
Speaker 1: the recognition? Why was that so important to you? We
Speaker 1: all played a part in the night at the Comedy Union,
Speaker 1: I mean God, good guy at the Comedy Store on
Speaker 1: Tuesday night called Fat Tuesdays. They used to be hosted
Speaker 1: by a guy Tory, and a lot of black comedians
Speaker 1: or other comedians could not get on the main stage
Speaker 1: in the belly room at the Comedy Store, so they
Speaker 1: created a night call Fat Tuesdays, and it was for everyone.
Speaker 1: It was for blacks and Tino and I was an anomaly,
Speaker 1: but guy gave me a couple of opportunities. I actually
Speaker 1: met Kevin Harthy and worked with him on the show there,
Speaker 1: and it just they inducted me into that and they
Speaker 1: asked me my story and how it went down, and
Speaker 1: it was great. It was. It was dope. So for
Speaker 1: all the beatings that I took in the comedy world
Speaker 1: that you guys will never know about, because I was abused,
Speaker 1: not abused physically, but the name called Ling and the
Speaker 1: austraization and all that, baby, all of them knows, I
Speaker 1: got that one Yes, y'all can go to hell because
Speaker 1: that one yes feel better than all y'all know. I
Speaker 1: just wanted y'all to know that we have to I'm
Speaker 1: on the main wall outside eye level. So when you're
Speaker 1: walking past, you say Flame Monro. So if you want
Speaker 1: to touch me, touch me lo every time you touch
Speaker 1: my name on the wall, and I just want to
Speaker 1: say congratulations. I feel like I feel like flame. I've
Speaker 1: just watched this journey for so long. I remember seeing
Speaker 1: your perform in places that smell more like fried chicken
Speaker 1: than anything else, you know, and so I know that
Speaker 1: the struggle is real. You have worked the circuit. You
Speaker 1: have really, you have worked your way there. None of
Speaker 1: it has been given to you. Some congratulations. I was
Speaker 1: a grave digger. Thank you. Welcome, Welcome, Flame man. We
Speaker 1: want you to chime in the conversation. Gonna get heated
Speaker 1: today a little bit, but we all want to start. Hivy,
Speaker 1: where were you going there? You take the lead. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you start. Well, I'm gonna let you be
Speaker 1: the top today, Lord, and I'm gonna start with how
Speaker 1: the feedback we got from this past week, people said, Nick,
Speaker 1: we need to see you in the studio more often,
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of compliments on my Black
Speaker 1: Effect hat, So I will be wearing that every time
Speaker 1: from that once, since everybody said I looked better and
Speaker 1: did what he said, did y'all did y'all read between lanes,
Speaker 1: He'll be wearing the hat every time. He said he
Speaker 1: was gonna be in the studio everywhere. Okay, I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure y'all heard that, because I ain't
Speaker 1: never wrong and around with me, I just looked like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I haven't gotten my hat yet, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten I haven't got my hat yet. On
Speaker 1: the sweatshirts, because we got some Black Effects sweatshirts, Nicholas
Speaker 1: ordered one for me and one for Lauren. He ordered
Speaker 1: man too big and hers too small. Please don't ask
Speaker 1: a man for a woman's size for anything. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: don't ask a man for a woman's size. Black Effect Network,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't do that. Uh yeah, because I
Speaker 1: truly thought that was perfect. You know. Um, let me
Speaker 1: go ahead and just start jump right down. Remind I
Speaker 1: want to jump in there, you know. We one of
Speaker 1: the criticisms we've been talking about with the Biden administration
Speaker 1: many have been saying he had not been doing enough
Speaker 1: for African Americans, for people of color. They want to
Speaker 1: see more, They want to see more of wine, wine wine. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden said, you know what, guess what I have
Speaker 1: been I think that there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: quiet diplomacy, Like I think that we're so used to
Speaker 1: a former administration that needed to beat the chest and
Speaker 1: bang the walls so let you know everything that they
Speaker 1: were doing. And it seems like Joe Biden has been
Speaker 1: doing the work and worrying less about the praise or
Speaker 1: acknowledgement from those in the peanut gallery. Joe Biden just
Speaker 1: passed um moving forward with support for minority farmers. There
Speaker 1: are a number of black farmers who have had their
Speaker 1: land stolen or have been in deep financial debt because
Speaker 1: of just systemic issues that have kept them from being
Speaker 1: economically viable. So many black farms have been underwater financially,
Speaker 1: and families have struggled or have fallen out of the business.
Speaker 1: After are having this land or this business for generations. Well,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration just went ahead with the windfall. The
Speaker 1: government is offering to pay off more than two dollar
Speaker 1: farm loans two different African American and Indigenous farmers who
Speaker 1: have been systemically uh disproportionately affected by policies in the
Speaker 1: United States, either by having their land seized or have
Speaker 1: not had the same economic opportunities as some white farmers.
Speaker 1: And it's just one of the little things that he
Speaker 1: felt needed to be done to try to right a wrong,
Speaker 1: a type of reparations. And I just thought that we
Speaker 1: should acknowledge the fact that there are several black farmers
Speaker 1: who will benefit from this. What you got to say, Laurence,
Speaker 1: I know I hear. And let me tell you how
Speaker 1: I feel about the situation, because I, like I said,
Speaker 1: give by the chance. We can't expect him to work
Speaker 1: a miracle in a damn month. Y'all asked one a
Speaker 1: miracle in a month. I'm glad he's reached out to
Speaker 1: do something. I appreciate that I'm not I'm tamed by.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving. I'm giving them, I'm giving them a chance.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving them a pay. Yeah, I I'm all
Speaker 1: for giving Biden in this administration a chance. I voted
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. I think the problem that we run
Speaker 1: into because similarly, the same thing that happened this week
Speaker 1: is there was a huge bill that was passed on
Speaker 1: anti Asian hate, and I think that's where the problem
Speaker 1: comes in. I'm going to play Devil's advocate here because
Speaker 1: that bill was passed in a matter of like two
Speaker 1: months from when the incidents happened around you know, people
Speaker 1: attacking those of the Asian community, to something getting passed
Speaker 1: in the Senate. But then like I read today that,
Speaker 1: for instance, the George Floyd bill that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be passed on is not going to happen. So well,
Speaker 1: I think it's great that Biden's Biden's making these slow strides,
Speaker 1: and I'm not putting everything on him, but unfortunately, it's
Speaker 1: like guilt by association because this is his administration and
Speaker 1: the fact is certain things are getting passed for other
Speaker 1: communities and the things that need to be passed for us,
Speaker 1: the Black unity is not happening, and we're the ones
Speaker 1: that elected him. So I think that's where we're going
Speaker 1: to continue to run into some friction with voters really
Speaker 1: because we can't get nothing past for us. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's like, oh, you know, he's making small strides
Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's great and all, but where's you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, where's our legislation? I think you're speaking about that, lord,
Speaker 1: And you're not a rapper, you're not a famous artist.
Speaker 1: You're not because they're awfully inquired right now, you know,
Speaker 1: those hold the vote ones? Hello Williams? Can you now?
Speaker 1: Can you now? Can you now? Because they all died
Speaker 1: silent right now? Now? When the primaries come next year
Speaker 1: and it's time to vote again, I don't want y'all
Speaker 1: jumping out the woodwork talking about black folks, hold your vote,
Speaker 1: black folks, what they did for the black agenda, because
Speaker 1: if the black agenda is now, you niggas is quiet,
Speaker 1: So the black agenda is moving forward, y'all not if
Speaker 1: you ain't talking about it now, we don't want to
Speaker 1: hear later. There's an old fable that me and Ms.
Speaker 1: Rosetta love very much. If you didn't help me break
Speaker 1: the bread, don't be here to help me eat it.
Speaker 1: I'm gathering the ingredients right now, the yeast and the
Speaker 1: flour and the sugar and the salt and the oven
Speaker 1: and all that. If you niggas ain't saying it now,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to you, and you know who I'm
Speaker 1: talking to because you know who you were that came
Speaker 1: out the woolworks telling us the whole out vote. Imagine
Speaker 1: if we had held out vote, the situation that we
Speaker 1: would be in right now where they're telling us what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. You ain't telling me I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I got my good glasses on. But you tell me
Speaker 1: on January to six that that was a tourist attraction. Nigga,
Speaker 1: if you don't knock it off, and I'm talking to
Speaker 1: the white boy, nigga, if you don't knock it off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just I mean. And like I said, I'm playing
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate here, and like I'm not blaming Joe. I'm
Speaker 1: not putting Joe Biden specifically at fault for this, but
Speaker 1: like I said, he's guilty by fault. It's his administration,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it's just it
Speaker 1: is what it is. You know, black folks need something,
Speaker 1: and a nice anti lynching bill that's been in the
Speaker 1: Senate for over two hundred years. Getting that past might
Speaker 1: be a good first start, just throwing that out there.
Speaker 1: So did you see where Caitlin Jenner tried to attack
Speaker 1: the transgender woman that your body and the pointed as
Speaker 1: the doctor to say that she was unattractive and woo
Speaker 1: woo woo. Uh big Bruce, big pimpin have you looked
Speaker 1: at yourself? That's before doing and after you were gonna?
Speaker 1: How dare you try to throw somebody upunder the bus
Speaker 1: while you're walking around here looking like lurch if you
Speaker 1: don't knock at all? I ain't vote for you either,
Speaker 1: O g BT friendly, but not for you pimping. You
Speaker 1: ain't my you. You're a Republican. They don't even won't
Speaker 1: your gass and you're too stupid to see it. But
Speaker 1: you just keep on driving that kind of putting on
Speaker 1: your lipstick. But don't nobody cross the street while she's driving.
Speaker 1: The bitch is a dangerous driver. She too one out
Speaker 1: come on it's that kind of day, baby, And I
Speaker 1: ain't even had no huh we all remember flame this.
Speaker 1: This followed miss generous comments about why all of her
Speaker 1: friends are leaving l A because the homeless situation is
Speaker 1: so unsightly it makes them uncomfortable. Sow they leave in
Speaker 1: l A because she got a driver's license. That's why
Speaker 1: they leave in l A. Because they gave Caylin the
Speaker 1: driver's life and she will run your ass over and
Speaker 1: kill you like she ain't need to before. I ain't
Speaker 1: saying nothing that ain't happening before. So you know, y'all
Speaker 1: get to be a old flame. You're this, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what the trunk is the truth? When my troops come out,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, I surely did. I do think
Speaker 1: that that's a good point, though, Nick, because that's actually
Speaker 1: something that like my dad is dealing with being on
Speaker 1: the fire department. You've got all of these like posh
Speaker 1: nash like you know, white people. I'm just call it
Speaker 1: as what it is in these different areas that are
Speaker 1: complaining about the homelessess situation and saying that they're invading
Speaker 1: their neighborhoods, and it's baffling to me because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what are you guys gonna do about it? They're homeless
Speaker 1: for a reason, it's not their fault. So I just
Speaker 1: think that that's something else needs to be addressed. We
Speaker 1: have a homeless epidemic in California, for sure, a good
Speaker 1: weather and Flame was mentioning just so people who know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Flame was talking about specifically referencing Dr.
Speaker 1: Rachel Levine, who Caitlyn Jenner kind of made an ugly
Speaker 1: transphobic remark about her not being an attractive woman. So now,
Speaker 1: real talking, now, real talk, We're gonna We're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna do it all the way. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be fair on both sides. What's her name? Uh
Speaker 1: Dr Rachel Levine or now. She may be smart as
Speaker 1: a whip, but she definitely looked like the Quake a
Speaker 1: oats Box, which when we was growing up, you remember
Speaker 1: the man on quake Olas. She definitely get now, but
Speaker 1: that don't mean she Bruce. You don't get a pass
Speaker 1: to say it. You know what, I know? Who ya?
Speaker 1: You remember the Quake a oats Box? Right? That's what
Speaker 1: you're speechless, old Meal on Saturday morning because you didn't
Speaker 1: get everything you got serial, but you got ome on
Speaker 1: Saturday morning. You'll remember the old you know with the
Speaker 1: white hair you're talking about? Come on, where we are?
Speaker 1: Where we are? Two things I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we hit on today and then we can, of course
Speaker 1: move forward. But the two things I think are necessary
Speaker 1: to mentioned. The guards in the Epstein situation. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you all saw this, but they both took
Speaker 1: plea deals what where they will be able to avoid
Speaker 1: jail time. And I'm specifically talking about if you'll remember
Speaker 1: uh Epstein who was found uh dead by suicide in
Speaker 1: his cell. Uh So, uh Michael Thomas and Tova Noel
Speaker 1: were charged with lying on their prison records to make
Speaker 1: it seem like they had made the required checks and
Speaker 1: they actually had not. It looks like they were surfing
Speaker 1: on the internet and that kind of fallen asleep. But
Speaker 1: what's important to mention in all of this, I think
Speaker 1: it's more than anything, they both have been working sixty
Speaker 1: eight hours that week. Because the facility is is notoriously understaffed,
Speaker 1: because the staff is underpaid, so they have a hard
Speaker 1: time retaining staff. Those who are on the payroll are
Speaker 1: often required to work over time, and in this particular situation,
Speaker 1: both um Michael Thomas and Toba Nol had both done overtime.
Speaker 1: They were unlike the third day of overtime and we're
Speaker 1: simply exhausted. So all of it fell on them that
Speaker 1: because they had not done the check, the reason they
Speaker 1: had to take a plete deal. They were charged for
Speaker 1: not having done that, done the rounds falsifying that they
Speaker 1: had done the rounds, and because they had not done
Speaker 1: the rounds, it is suggested that they could have prevented
Speaker 1: Mr Epstein from taking his own life, uh in his cell.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's necessarily their fault because I
Speaker 1: think the fact that they're underpaid and understaffed it takes
Speaker 1: a toll on people, and I think that that should
Speaker 1: kind of trickle up the ladder to whoever is responsible
Speaker 1: for that. I don't think it should necessarily fall on him, however,
Speaker 1: or them, excuse me. I do think though that um,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been proven that Jeffrey Epstein is dead. I
Speaker 1: am a conspiracy theorist on this subject. But saying all
Speaker 1: that to say is I don't think that the guards
Speaker 1: necessarily should be at fault. Okay, you say the key words.
Speaker 1: They were underpaid and they had worked forty to sixty
Speaker 1: hours a week. If you underpaid me, and I'm working
Speaker 1: from working from hands amount from paycheck to paycheck. But
Speaker 1: then I get an email from a strange, random whatever whatever,
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a hundred thousand dollars to go
Speaker 1: to an extra thirty minutes to lunch wherever this thing happens.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'm taking the hundred thousand. They already agreed
Speaker 1: to the plea deal. They're not gonna do jail time.
Speaker 1: The money is probably somewhere sitting up because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say what I said that Nigga ain't dead. He had
Speaker 1: way too much money and two days before his alleged
Speaker 1: suicide he transferred the money to somebody else. Everybody was
Speaker 1: paid off. I believe my conspiracy theory that had he
Speaker 1: been dead, he I know they got a Max, said Maxwell.
Speaker 1: But he sent that information and he held the he
Speaker 1: held the keys to the city. He knew what the
Speaker 1: bodies was buried. He sent that information to somebody that
Speaker 1: nobody else knew about that. He knew love and trusted
Speaker 1: if everything ever had anything and with the note if
Speaker 1: anything happens in my demise released this has it been
Speaker 1: released that Nigga is in a cave with an underaged girl.
Speaker 1: Both officers regarding Epstein and we're working overtime because of
Speaker 1: staffing shortages. One of the guards, who did not primarily
Speaker 1: work as a correctional officer, was working a fifth straight
Speaker 1: day of overtime. The other guard was working mandatory overtime,
Speaker 1: meaning a second eight hour shift in the single day.
Speaker 1: But Nick, don't you smell that. You smell that, You
Speaker 1: smell that lat up under that. So this is a
Speaker 1: man who everybody in the car. He could bring down
Speaker 1: the end, He could bring down billions of lots of people.
Speaker 1: He could bring down dynasties because of all information he had,
Speaker 1: y'all put him in a place that's understaff. Hear me,
Speaker 1: hear this, it's understaff, they're working over time. He should
Speaker 1: have been like like the head and Scandal, he should
Speaker 1: have been in the room where you could see everything
Speaker 1: he's doing twenty four hours a day. That was all
Speaker 1: the conspiracy to me, why would y'all send him there
Speaker 1: when it's a lot To me, I just I smell it.
Speaker 1: But but you know here, even in Scandal, Candy Alexander
Speaker 1: got away what not what's her name is? Mother? That's different,
Speaker 1: it's different. They put him in a place where they
Speaker 1: knew he was going to be able to get away.
Speaker 1: It was to me, I think the whole thing was
Speaker 1: a set up. Well, technically, that's supposed to be one
Speaker 1: of the most secure facilities, right, um and understand understaff
Speaker 1: and overwork. Yeah, yeah, Well I'm flame. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you what you tell you're reading it, but
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm reading between the lines as you
Speaker 1: saying it. Right. I just think that, um, I do
Speaker 1: think that things like this feed into the ideas of
Speaker 1: conspiracies because it leaves so many questions unanswered. How this
Speaker 1: man had routinely had he not had a pattern of
Speaker 1: seemingly escaping justice time and time again. That prosecutor in
Speaker 1: Florida who kind of turned his back and and let
Speaker 1: Epstein get away with things that normal people would not
Speaker 1: have gotten away with it us indeed, um caused one
Speaker 1: to question, uh the uh how voracious they were? Is
Speaker 1: that the same facility Chapel escape from? Oh? Good question
Speaker 1: that I don't know that. I don't know that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm just saying even I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's any such thing as a secure facility, because
Speaker 1: like remember, Alcatraz was like the most secure thing ever
Speaker 1: in life, right, and six people escaped and it's on
Speaker 1: a freaking island. So is anything actually secure is really
Speaker 1: the question these days? So I mean, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I want to just touch on something we
Speaker 1: kind of we were breached on earlier, and then I
Speaker 1: will seed the floor because I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: you all want to cover as well. But we were
Speaker 1: talking about the police reform bill, and one of the
Speaker 1: things that popped out of me. I had this conversation
Speaker 1: with Flame earlier, and I thought it was important to
Speaker 1: mention that President Biden his administration is pushing to push
Speaker 1: forward this police reform bill. They had hoped to get
Speaker 1: it done by the anniversary of George Floyd's death. I
Speaker 1: told Flame smart and said, I cannot believe it's been
Speaker 1: a year. It just doesn't It seems like it is.
Speaker 1: Um It literally seems like it was more recent than that, right,
Speaker 1: I say that to say. Maxine Waters was on yesterday
Speaker 1: and she talked about how she couldn't care less about
Speaker 1: a deadline. She said, forget the deadline. If pat if
Speaker 1: meeting a deadline means they're only going to get part
Speaker 1: of what we need, then I'm not worried about a deadline.
Speaker 1: She says. I want it all. I want a band
Speaker 1: of the chokeholes. I want a registry where officers who
Speaker 1: are fired for bad practices are not allowed to be
Speaker 1: rehired in the next city over. I want I want
Speaker 1: things that we can actually see that are tangible that
Speaker 1: can make a difference and a change in the community.
Speaker 1: She's suggesting that we get rid of the idea of
Speaker 1: worrying about a deadline and focus more on the fact
Speaker 1: that we get the things that are needed so that
Speaker 1: those who are being policed by the police can feel
Speaker 1: comfortable in their communities. And I just thought that that
Speaker 1: was something to also keep in mind as we wait
Speaker 1: to see what the Biden administration will do in the
Speaker 1: area of police reform. I don't agree with that. I
Speaker 1: love anti Maxine and everything, but I don't agree with
Speaker 1: that because I think if we start getting into this
Speaker 1: space of we don't need deadlines, I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: the thought of making sure we get everything in the bill,
Speaker 1: but if we start, you know, ignoring said deadlines are
Speaker 1: kind of creating a strategic plan of when we should
Speaker 1: roll things out, we get into a situation where it's
Speaker 1: two hundred years later. I just mentioned this and we
Speaker 1: still don't have an anti lynching bill passed. So I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, in the foundation or the root of what
Speaker 1: she's saying, of course, we want everything in the bill,
Speaker 1: but I still feel like, you know, timetable should still
Speaker 1: be set forth in order to get things done. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it'll just be in limbo forever in a day and
Speaker 1: nothing gets past, and then we have instances where people
Speaker 1: feel like you know, as black folks, were not getting
Speaker 1: our dues. And Lauren, I think you and I both
Speaker 1: worked in the area of comms where you have a
Speaker 1: strap plan for a reason. Exactly, you have these clear benchmarkers,
Speaker 1: and when you don't hit area one, you can go
Speaker 1: back and say, hey, what's happening here that we haven't
Speaker 1: hit one, so we can move on to two and three. Exactly.
Speaker 1: There are comedy value to having a strap. But coming
Speaker 1: in from another angle of that, I get what she's saying,
Speaker 1: because we want something done. Like you said, we don't
Speaker 1: need a timeline, but we've been waiting already two hundred
Speaker 1: years to get this pass. So if we can get
Speaker 1: something done that will keep us moving forward, I would
Speaker 1: appreciate that, but just not the most minute ship, because
Speaker 1: what they will do is past the most minute things
Speaker 1: as opposed to the stuff that we really need, like
Speaker 1: police reform. We really need police reform done. And if
Speaker 1: you don't think that we need police reform done, turn
Speaker 1: on your news. I don't care where you live. Turn
Speaker 1: on your news. I don't care what state or city
Speaker 1: you living in, turn on your news. Well I will
Speaker 1: say is that there is a sweeping police form, you know,
Speaker 1: happening across the country. I was also watching that today.
Speaker 1: I know, like Colorado is passing something and you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about New Jersey saying that they want to
Speaker 1: end qualified immunity and they've kind of taken some steps,
Speaker 1: you know, towards that. So police reform is definitely a
Speaker 1: hot topic right now. So it's interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 1: at the state and local levels what they can get
Speaker 1: past legislatively. Um so something's in the works, but it
Speaker 1: works a long time. Well, I think it's different this time.
Speaker 1: I think it's different this time. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: different this time because in the past, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like police, you know, brutality has ever been on such
Speaker 1: a global level at this point. I think that we've
Speaker 1: gotten other you know, countries and states involved, and it's
Speaker 1: a it's a universal issue at this point. It's it's
Speaker 1: across the board. So I think that because there's so
Speaker 1: much more buying at this particular point in time, that
Speaker 1: something's going to MANA can I say before we move
Speaker 1: forward heads off to a common Lana way, and the
Speaker 1: producers of the shot and the actors and characters of
Speaker 1: the show which started. That's not because they talked about this.
Speaker 1: They actually played a scene out or where the two
Speaker 1: young black boys were walking out here and the police
Speaker 1: came and slammed them and beat them and movable. Because
Speaker 1: we as much as we say we don't, you know,
Speaker 1: I tell you I don't want to see it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see it. We need to see it.
Speaker 1: We need to see that it's really happened. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate them acknowledging. Have you changed your stance? I kind
Speaker 1: of changed my stand. I hate to take it into
Speaker 1: my DNA per suddenly, but now I realized that I
Speaker 1: need to see it because then it it flares something
Speaker 1: up in me. Now I'm not gonna go watch Roots
Speaker 1: and then go outside and it's just stop fighting white people.
Speaker 1: That's white on both as me. But seeing it makes
Speaker 1: it um not believable because I believe that was happening anyway,
Speaker 1: but it makes it more real to it. It makes
Speaker 1: it real to me. And when I saw that on
Speaker 1: the shot, I was like, that could be my son,
Speaker 1: that could be my daughter, you know those could be
Speaker 1: my nephews. It's it's it's scary. But thank you for
Speaker 1: at least putting it because that's what normally used to
Speaker 1: do in the sevenies. He put it in your face.
Speaker 1: Putting it in your face make you acknowledge it makes
Speaker 1: it real. Two things, And I'll just throw this out there.
Speaker 1: I saw on your favorite network, Flame, which is because
Speaker 1: you watch it all the time, CNN. I see the
Speaker 1: CNN just released one of your favorite commentators, Rick Santorum. Um,
Speaker 1: why it looks like Rick Santorum I had a bit
Speaker 1: of an uh racist comment moment about Native Americans and
Speaker 1: how uh I guess he has quoted as saying, uh,
Speaker 1: we birth of the nation from nothing. I mean there
Speaker 1: was nothing here. Um. I mean, yes, we have Native Americans,
Speaker 1: but candidly, there isn't much Native American culture and there's
Speaker 1: isn't much Native American culture in American culture. Native Americans
Speaker 1: have contributed nothing. He got fired right. Uh they let
Speaker 1: that was a bridge too far. You and your sweater
Speaker 1: vests can gold. What was what was his quote? There
Speaker 1: was nothing here? Yeah, the indigenous people were here, y'all came,
Speaker 1: so that was that's what brought nothing here because y'all
Speaker 1: came and raped and pillaged and killed and the main,
Speaker 1: the main what they called it when they cut you up,
Speaker 1: what they call the ship. Yeah, all of that, and
Speaker 1: then Bro brought syphilis and diseases here. You're right, there
Speaker 1: was nothing here until y'all came, because y'all were nothing
Speaker 1: and brought nothing. Did this sound mean, Because that's the
Speaker 1: true cause Indigenous people created this country. Baby, y'all stole
Speaker 1: it from now Pocahontas and John Stantus was sucking on
Speaker 1: the low, and y'all got mad because that white boy
Speaker 1: had liked that little Mexican uh huh, and y'all had
Speaker 1: got mad. Let me even talk about at least long
Speaker 1: and just to let you know how people don't when
Speaker 1: people people don't really care for you. It looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, he campaigned for his can campaign for his
Speaker 1: job back, but quote leadership wasn't particularly satisfied with his appearance,
Speaker 1: and none of the anchors of any of the shows
Speaker 1: wanted to book him, so he was essentially shown the door.
Speaker 1: Listen and I know Seeing and is your favorite network flame,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy it's not my favorites. They just have
Speaker 1: ch and Andy Cohen and Cooper. Um, I was say this,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think we may we may start
Speaker 1: to accuse you of having an attraction to a certain hue. No,
Speaker 1: that's not true, not coming from you. Oh Lauren. You
Speaker 1: know what, Lauren, I tried to find some cover. Ola.
Speaker 1: I had a Mr. Crabs moment. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: have smelling sauce because I just I just got knocked out.
Speaker 1: So I'm go ahead now, and wow, I'm a shift
Speaker 1: back to what we were saying. Um, what I was
Speaker 1: talking about CNN, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that they took these steps to do the right
Speaker 1: thing because, Um, I've attended things like n a b J,
Speaker 1: which is the National Association of Black Journalists, and historically
Speaker 1: CNN has been voted the most uh, non diverse network.
Speaker 1: So to see them kind of making me try because
Speaker 1: that's that's that's very recent. So I'm glad to see
Speaker 1: that they're making sure that they do the right Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you just said something. What did you say
Speaker 1: about what is it called the NABJ. So that was
Speaker 1: a great segue to what I want to speak about
Speaker 1: at Chicago and Lory Lightfoot because Lory Lightfoot is on
Speaker 1: the fire right now because she made a statement saying
Speaker 1: that after her two year anniversary as the mayor of
Speaker 1: the City of Chicago, that she would only speak with
Speaker 1: black journalists or journalists of color. And they want to
Speaker 1: hand her asks about that. But let me let me
Speaker 1: give you my point on that. Should she have said
Speaker 1: it needed to be seen. Maybe she didn't say it
Speaker 1: the way that they wanted her to say, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's another way to say it. Here's
Speaker 1: my thing, y'all say it, y'all do it. Why as
Speaker 1: Lorie wrong for saying that she only wants to sit
Speaker 1: down with black journalists because maybe they will give her
Speaker 1: a fair shake, maybe they will print exactly what she
Speaker 1: said how she said it, as opposed to making it
Speaker 1: what you wanted to be for sensationalism in the media.
Speaker 1: I do not fault a Lorry lightfool for that. I
Speaker 1: know y'all given her a hard time in Chicago, but
Speaker 1: y'all voted for her. Give her a chance, y'all. Y'all
Speaker 1: got to remember that she walked into ship. She didn't
Speaker 1: come into a job that was already laid out and
Speaker 1: ready for her. She walked into ship after dealing with
Speaker 1: roman Manuel was foolishness, and y'all want to keep holling
Speaker 1: roman Manue was this, and ram Mann was that. Roman
Speaker 1: Manuel threw up gang signs every time he got on
Speaker 1: the news media because they got a gang in Chicago
Speaker 1: called the Earl Rookings and they throw up three fingers
Speaker 1: and roman Manuel only got three fingers, so he really
Speaker 1: can't throw up the fourth form, so he only got
Speaker 1: three fingers, so he was throwing up gang signs on
Speaker 1: the load that's called dog whistle. Y'all come up off.
Speaker 1: Mayor Lord Lightfoot, she I think it was fair. I
Speaker 1: personally think it was fair. And they was two years ago.
Speaker 1: They just had a big thing on the red carpet
Speaker 1: where a lot of black artists would not stop and
Speaker 1: talk to the black media. So now y'all mad because
Speaker 1: she said she only wants to talk to the black media.
Speaker 1: Bullshit um or And this is in the words of
Speaker 1: Easter Ray, I'm rooting for everybody black, So I think
Speaker 1: this is great that she did that. Mayor Lifefoot said,
Speaker 1: if I as a the black woman mayor, the first ever,
Speaker 1: don't change and challenge us and challenge the collective us
Speaker 1: to do better, to really make sure that in every
Speaker 1: institution it reflects the diversity, nuance, and texture. Shame on me.
Speaker 1: And so she she's stuck with it, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure, UM that UH, journalists of color were
Speaker 1: given an opportunity to have their stories reflected in the press,
Speaker 1: and she did not feel like that that was happening.
Speaker 1: So and I think it's important too though, because even
Speaker 1: when you know, we've had like April Ryan on the show,
Speaker 1: she's talked about how hard it was to be in
Speaker 1: these spaces and to be a black journalist, and you
Speaker 1: know all the doors she had to kick in and
Speaker 1: really just stand up for herself. So I applaudli Laie
Speaker 1: Lightfoot for even doing that and giving other black journalists
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in these spaces when in a
Speaker 1: lot of instances those spaces may not be provided to them.
Speaker 1: You know, she's creating a seat at the table for them.
Speaker 1: So I say kudos to her. Yeah, and I can
Speaker 1: just say, UH, having worked in media for years, UM
Speaker 1: is extremely competitive and to uh more often than not
Speaker 1: when you're on these national stories and all. No shade
Speaker 1: to Jake Tapper, and the rest, but Jake Tapper flows
Speaker 1: into the room. It's it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: the focus immediately shifts to, you know, uh, the the
Speaker 1: bigger faces that people see all the time. So it's
Speaker 1: definitely one of those things too. It's it's interesting, and
Speaker 1: I have to believe that it's um it's a positive
Speaker 1: step forward to know that the journalists of color um
Speaker 1: deserved the same level of access. So yeah, speaking of sharks,
Speaker 1: we gotta go there, y'all. So this week was very
Speaker 1: rough in the news for me because I watched see
Speaker 1: any End that y'all are telling me about, and they
Speaker 1: showed um, um what was the name was it? Richard
Speaker 1: Ronald Ronald Green? The murder Ronald Green, that they clearly
Speaker 1: see it that they told his mom, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen the video before I seen his
Speaker 1: mom's testimony. His mom came on and talked about that
Speaker 1: they had told her that her son was killed in
Speaker 1: the hit on impact, um a hit on collision on impact.
Speaker 1: And then we saw the video come out where they
Speaker 1: beat this man and where they tortured this man, put
Speaker 1: his face on the ground, drug him handcuffed with his
Speaker 1: face to the ground and then Audio said, oh, I
Speaker 1: hope he just n I hope he don't have AIDS.
Speaker 1: We had his blood everywhere, but they laded to the family.
Speaker 1: And for two years, these guys are still on the force,
Speaker 1: still working. So in two years, what other should have
Speaker 1: they done? Because they're still on the job. And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you what I said when they when they gave
Speaker 1: us guilty, guilty, guilty for Derek Schouden, I said that
Speaker 1: they give us one, they're gonna want to in day
Speaker 1: one they saw the fifteen minutes after Derek Chauvin's guilty
Speaker 1: guilty guilty back killing mccaya Bryant. UM. But I think
Speaker 1: that it's also something that we've said though. Now that
Speaker 1: we have social media and you know, ways to actually
Speaker 1: get these videos of what's happening in the world out there,
Speaker 1: it's a great thing. But there's so many, you know,
Speaker 1: black folks that are being murdered by police that we
Speaker 1: just don't see. And I think more and more of
Speaker 1: these stories are coming up and they're going to come out. UM.
Speaker 1: And luckily, you know, we have we talked about bodycam
Speaker 1: footage as well. So I don't have any words for this. UM.
Speaker 1: I think Unfortunately, and I've said this before, that this
Speaker 1: is just going to continue. Um, it is still the South.
Speaker 1: The South is still the South at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. I don't care how purple you know, a
Speaker 1: state may turn, but there's a serious systemic racism that
Speaker 1: is ever evolving in this country that is still very
Speaker 1: prevalent and that we're going to continue to experience. And
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate that what you say, South Minnesota, New York,
Speaker 1: they killed what was the big guy? He was selling
Speaker 1: cigarettes or something. What was his name, Eric Garner, So
Speaker 1: that wasn't the South. It's just a fucking ridiculous And
Speaker 1: then we just had we just had the least incident
Speaker 1: in Pasadena, and you don't get any wider than Pasadena, California, right,
Speaker 1: So I think it's a policing overall that needs to
Speaker 1: be re exampted. I say that the South is still
Speaker 1: the South though, because there's still am a deep rooted
Speaker 1: racism that's there. I mean, police brutality is one thing, yes,
Speaker 1: and I understand that it's specifically targeted towards US. But
Speaker 1: when I say the South is still the South, I
Speaker 1: didn't experience what that fear felt like until I went
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, specifically Savannah, and I had to do my
Speaker 1: research of Savannah. George was one of the biggest slave
Speaker 1: ports you know, in the country. So and one of
Speaker 1: the largest Jewish communities too, though, so go ahead, go
Speaker 1: ahead next. I think two things though. I think that
Speaker 1: it's easier to paint the South with that brush because
Speaker 1: covert racism is better played in California and larger cities
Speaker 1: like Chicago and New York. But I think overt racism
Speaker 1: is visibly displayed in the South. But to somehow UM
Speaker 1: not recognize or um not appreciate the stealth manner in
Speaker 1: which racism is dealt in California, I think could be
Speaker 1: missing the larger picture because I definitely believe it's there,
Speaker 1: or at least northern California. Southern California may be immune,
Speaker 1: but I know that living in the Bay Area, it
Speaker 1: was definitely a challenge to um um not recognize the
Speaker 1: level of systemic racism that was endemic UH and much
Speaker 1: of northern California. I mean, I'm not about to single
Speaker 1: out any specific state, and I made it general by
Speaker 1: saying the South as a whole of this country was
Speaker 1: colonized and that we have a systemic racism issue across
Speaker 1: the board, Like that's just fact. I'm just saying the
Speaker 1: South specifically, there is more ingrained racism. And this is
Speaker 1: my opinion. We can, you know, go back and forth
Speaker 1: about this, but there is a more overt, you know,
Speaker 1: sense of racism whatever you want to call it, that
Speaker 1: I experienced, in my opinion. But of course we're dealing
Speaker 1: with blanket racism across the country. I mean, if we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it in the least sense. You know,
Speaker 1: New York has probably the most brutalized police force in history.
Speaker 1: There's no other police entity that I know of that
Speaker 1: is more rutal than New York. But no New York
Speaker 1: hands down New York. Nause you wanta come up off California? Well, no,
Speaker 1: you know, l A. L A is the l A
Speaker 1: is the reason we had the race riots, you guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, what we can do. This is what I think,
Speaker 1: and I just want to be I just want to
Speaker 1: be clear. I get that living in California affords you
Speaker 1: a level of um removal. I get that I lived
Speaker 1: there long enough. I totally get that, But I think
Speaker 1: that what also happens is that sometimes Uh, California also
Speaker 1: blankets people in a false sense of security. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to think that California doesn't have issues, you guys.
Speaker 1: And that's just my plea, that's my personal plea. Nobody's
Speaker 1: saying that. Nobody's saying New York police. But to suggest
Speaker 1: that New York's police department is worse than l as
Speaker 1: it is, I mean, we know, we know the l
Speaker 1: A riots, we know what happened, right, I got that.
Speaker 1: But we were talking about New York being worse in
Speaker 1: l A. And that's not true. And that's that's that's
Speaker 1: your opinion. I can I think you're the only person
Speaker 1: that's probably going to say that, being that that's your opinion.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't know if anybody else that
Speaker 1: would say that l A is worse than New York.
Speaker 1: Just if you look at the blanket history of what's
Speaker 1: happened in New York in terms of the police, everybody
Speaker 1: that I know of it would strongly diserup for you. Hi, Bobby, Bobby,
Speaker 1: why don't you Why don't you have on your afro today?
Speaker 1: I'm feeling in my afro. I don't know, could I
Speaker 1: go I could go crazy? I guess very seventies. Bobby, UM,
Speaker 1: come on you you listen to me, and what what
Speaker 1: were doing? What what are we going? We're talking about
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? What you weighing? And on by
Speaker 1: the way, Bobby clip, we're talking about Ronald Green. I'm
Speaker 1: so conflicted about him and why we didn't get more
Speaker 1: information and um and the body camps. Where are the
Speaker 1: two body camps from the other two officers. And we
Speaker 1: do have the one officer who did it was more
Speaker 1: heavy handed. The day they told him that he he
Speaker 1: was fired, he all of a sudden gott in a
Speaker 1: one car auto vehicle accident and he was killed. UM.
Speaker 1: So that that's and that's under investigation. We have a
Speaker 1: guy that had fifty hours of suspension and um was
Speaker 1: put back on the job, although now he's under investigation
Speaker 1: and it's looking like he's going to be fired as well. UM.
Speaker 1: It's it's so troubling, so troubling, you know, right from
Speaker 1: the beginning, this is I don't know, why are we
Speaker 1: just hearing about it? I feel like I don't I
Speaker 1: really don't remember this case two years ago. Just said,
Speaker 1: did you see his mom speak? Bobby? Did you see
Speaker 1: his mom you know me, I'm a big cry baby.
Speaker 1: I was like a mass like I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't he married? Where's his wife? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything but the but the mom speak right, That's
Speaker 1: the only reason I'm mentioning it. I I feel badly
Speaker 1: for her. I'd like to see her have some sort
Speaker 1: of voice. I think the mom has been I think
Speaker 1: the mom has been fighting for some type of information
Speaker 1: from from the beginning, so she's been taking the lead
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, and the fourth officer also, Bobby, no
Speaker 1: way someone would kill my baby, and I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like an absolute lunatick and you know, flying
Speaker 1: my freak flag and everything else. I'm just he was
Speaker 1: just writing down. I mean, it's amazing. Um when Flame
Speaker 1: said this was going to be one of the topics.
Speaker 1: The information that just came was unbelievable. The stunt done
Speaker 1: when the stunned to him three times, whe and he
Speaker 1: was handcuffed while he was handcuffed, before he was before
Speaker 1: he was out of the car, beating about the head
Speaker 1: and they and them for the lot taser taser taser, right,
Speaker 1: we heard that with the other one. I was talking
Speaker 1: about and so everybody backs off and they said, what
Speaker 1: are you what are you stunning for what reason? I
Speaker 1: just don't even know where. And I also thought it
Speaker 1: was very brave and maybe because I'm coming in from airside,
Speaker 1: that the e ED doc was the first one that
Speaker 1: got the ball rolling and said, something doesn't add up
Speaker 1: with this patient. As he went through everything. The story
Speaker 1: that they're telling us is right in the medical record,
Speaker 1: which is great for the family, does not it's not
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. Um. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty pretty brave, considering you he was probably
Speaker 1: surrounded by police, right, Um that that were all there? Um,
Speaker 1: I thought, Uh, I feel badly for the for the
Speaker 1: person who to be autopsy with limited information. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't go one way or the other, but it
Speaker 1: was clear they said once they saw that what actually
Speaker 1: happened and they were presented with that what happened to
Speaker 1: the patient. I think this case so also requires that
Speaker 1: we acknowledge a couple of things that I think we're
Speaker 1: done right, and that is the AP fighting for the
Speaker 1: release of this tape because the state Louisiana had been
Speaker 1: fighting their excuse me, Louisiana troopers had been fighting the
Speaker 1: release of these videos from day one. Officers at this
Speaker 1: time were required to activate their body cam and they
Speaker 1: one officer deactivated, but they were able to piece together.
Speaker 1: There were times when uh Mr Green was out of frame,
Speaker 1: so we couldn't see what was happening. But none of
Speaker 1: this would have happened if the AP had not just
Speaker 1: kept pushing and filed what it's called a Freedom of
Speaker 1: Information Act to have that information released. So now finally
Speaker 1: Mother Green, because I forget her first name and I
Speaker 1: want to be respectful, Mother Green is finally getting real
Speaker 1: information about what happened to her son. But four hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy four days, Nick, why four hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: four day? Well, I don't understand. So I'm happy that
Speaker 1: that happened, But why didn't we hear this earlier? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a great question. Um, But you know again, everything is lititious, right,
Speaker 1: so AP can only file and file and push through
Speaker 1: the courts to get this information. But you have to remember, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming them, no, you pent right. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how why we're only seeing the footage after
Speaker 1: all this time, Why it took so long for anybody
Speaker 1: to even start the investigation? And here we go, We're
Speaker 1: going to get it if they could have got away
Speaker 1: with it. They were going to they were going to
Speaker 1: get away with this if they could. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: saw reports that the Attorney General wasn't on this and
Speaker 1: even the governor tried to cover it up. So it
Speaker 1: was a whole So what happens when what happens when
Speaker 1: you don't have a mother Green in your corner fighting
Speaker 1: for that truth who just won't stop? Right? Um? Who's
Speaker 1: the parent who just won't let it go with police
Speaker 1: said he died in the crash. Let it go? Um um,
Speaker 1: Mrs Smith Nick died in the crash, Let it go? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: there there's some parents who are just not gonna oh okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna fight, fight, fight, and she's clearly one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just go. I mean, I think this is and
Speaker 1: this goes to what we've said to is that there's
Speaker 1: just so many that we probably don't know about because
Speaker 1: there's so many cases that could have been covered up
Speaker 1: or just not being covered in the media and people
Speaker 1: just don't know about because we just don't, you know,
Speaker 1: have the information. So his name is Ronald Green. His
Speaker 1: name was Ronald Green he's passed on y'all asking who
Speaker 1: it was. Hey, Dawn, it is ridiculous to think that
Speaker 1: we are living in such a situation that they're still
Speaker 1: doing ship like this and getting away with it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna blame just the state or because it's happening everywhere.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling y'all, and I know this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound very vigilante. We gotta do something. All this talking
Speaker 1: ship and marching and protests, baby, until somebody take a
Speaker 1: stand and sacrifice their own self and and fight back
Speaker 1: to kick off something. And I'm not saying that, but
Speaker 1: if that's what how it's gonna have to happen, goddamn it,
Speaker 1: it might have to happen like that. We we we
Speaker 1: we were stick and tired of saying we sick and tired,
Speaker 1: We stick of titus and were waiting on somebody to
Speaker 1: pass the bill. Baby, shut up, flame, shut up, flamemorrow.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'm hoping is that was was
Speaker 1: now this case, right, So it's another case two years
Speaker 1: to older that there are other mother Greens that are
Speaker 1: now going to start looking at their children's cases and
Speaker 1: start asking for them to be open and be and
Speaker 1: be reevaluated. So you know, when we get some complete transparency,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get some movement. That's that's my only hope
Speaker 1: in my prayer, and I personally believe and as disheartening
Speaker 1: and as frustrating as this is, I believe that this
Speaker 1: is another example of progress. Right. I do believe that uh,
Speaker 1: fift twenty years ago, without the advent of cameras and
Speaker 1: video to expose the truth, I think the best disinfectant
Speaker 1: is sunlight. Uh so that when you have this information
Speaker 1: out there, I feel like this is progress that is
Speaker 1: being made so that people can see because unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: do believe that a large part of the civil rights
Speaker 1: movement and its success was televising people having hoses and
Speaker 1: dogs turned on them. When the world is awakened to
Speaker 1: what is actually happening, people can say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is not okay. So as as as discouraging as
Speaker 1: this is in I have hope and I am inspired
Speaker 1: things improving from the way that they were and must
Speaker 1: have been before we had eyes to actually see what
Speaker 1: was happening. No, I I agree with that a hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I have had conversations with my mother when we've watched
Speaker 1: you know, the history channel and you watched some of
Speaker 1: the stuff and she said, um, having to be transparent
Speaker 1: for them and shoved in their face was it was
Speaker 1: eye opening. Prior to that, they would have said, well,
Speaker 1: why did they go there? Why did they do that?
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, but not that they were troublemakers,
Speaker 1: but you know, if they just stayed and just stayed
Speaker 1: on their side and then when they saw it jammed
Speaker 1: in their face, what was actually happening to these people.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, here's the thing. We see a
Speaker 1: whole lot of ship publicly jammed in our faces. But
Speaker 1: the people that we have instituted in their laws and
Speaker 1: the people like they're telling us January six was not
Speaker 1: an insurrection. We we watched this. We see this White
Speaker 1: America see, just like Black America see. But they're telling
Speaker 1: us that's that's that's not what we saw. Now. It
Speaker 1: was a trip to the It was a white House visit. Remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: But my pointing, we're seeing it now on camera, we're
Speaker 1: seeing it on video. But then we have people in
Speaker 1: places of of of government to tell us, oh, that's
Speaker 1: not what you saw. You're not gonna tell me what
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I got my good glasses. Ze I
Speaker 1: could see that ship without my glasses. Zone. It was
Speaker 1: straight out murder and progress. Gas sliding at its best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gas sliding at its best. Totally. They they want
Speaker 1: those five seats that they potentially could win in the
Speaker 1: mid terms, and that's what they are trying to play
Speaker 1: down everything as much as they possibly can so that
Speaker 1: they can win those five seats if they can get
Speaker 1: those of people who think that the Republicans, who think
Speaker 1: that the election was stolen, and they can twist their
Speaker 1: minds to think that this was not a bad thing
Speaker 1: when you clearly knew it was because you were looking
Speaker 1: at it. Because the day in the park are a
Speaker 1: regular day for for tourists going in. They're not hanging
Speaker 1: off the freaking walls and scaffolding. They didn't bring embody paint,
Speaker 1: you know, and body paint painted like the shaman. You
Speaker 1: know that happens all the time. Yeah. Yeah, they found
Speaker 1: they found one guy hit like nan pipe bombs and
Speaker 1: and that's why you're telling my people. I'm telling my people,
Speaker 1: y'all heart worried about a P p P loan and
Speaker 1: all this the legal ship just stop bang Gucci and
Speaker 1: labels and that you said, mam munition. Nearly one forty
Speaker 1: people were injured and at least five people died in
Speaker 1: connection with the riot. There's also deep concern among Republicans
Speaker 1: that an independent investigation will focus negative attention on their
Speaker 1: party as the twenty mid term elections near. I've been
Speaker 1: talking about the mid terms. It's coming next year, that's
Speaker 1: all I keep talking about. Yeah. Absolutely, So when Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi they passed that they wanted the independent investigation, they
Speaker 1: gotta fight at tooth and nail because they desperately don't
Speaker 1: want this brought out to the forefront and more information
Speaker 1: to come forward. And I don't know about Yo and
Speaker 1: everybody else that's that that's online today. But have you
Speaker 1: heard regular day in the pack? Have you heard of
Speaker 1: a hundred and some odd people being injured every single
Speaker 1: day since six No, it was a very different day.
Speaker 1: And and Bobby, I'm I'm, I'm I'm the oldest one here.
Speaker 1: Please tell me you remember ben Ghazi because it never died.
Speaker 1: We've still they're still after Hillary didn't shut the hell up?
Speaker 1: Posted somebody and I'm blanking on his name. His first
Speaker 1: name was Bob, and he was in the Senate and
Speaker 1: he was losing his mind. And he actually brought that up.
Speaker 1: He was, I'll have to I'll have to send it
Speaker 1: to all of you. It was a phenomenal clip about
Speaker 1: how they didn't shut and he literally said, they didn't
Speaker 1: shut the hell up about Benghazi. It was dragged from
Speaker 1: one end to the other. And this is trying to
Speaker 1: be swept under the swept the rod. It's absolutely that
Speaker 1: was Hillary right, that was Hillary Clinton right. Yes, but
Speaker 1: remember that that's when Hillary said there, that's when they hit.
Speaker 1: That's when they hit. That's what It's one of the raisons.
Speaker 1: They didn't shut up. I mean, that's that was the
Speaker 1: only news story that we heard, and it was it
Speaker 1: was one of the pieces I think that brought her
Speaker 1: down while she didn't win, because they just wasn't shot
Speaker 1: up about it. And how many people died and with
Speaker 1: that being guys, what was it six or eight? How
Speaker 1: many people that six or eight pandemic that died? Five
Speaker 1: people that they made it was just five. They held
Speaker 1: They held Hillary's feet to the fire for that for
Speaker 1: such a long time. But Hillary was so gangster when
Speaker 1: they had her. She sat there like Lawrence and here
Speaker 1: with one glass. One of her glasses was fixed, and
Speaker 1: the other one was shattered. That was a black women
Speaker 1: move right there all day. That's a black woman ship
Speaker 1: because we're gonna be get ship fixed until we have to.
Speaker 1: She sat there with an arms folding, and she's and
Speaker 1: she said, what else do you want me to say?
Speaker 1: It's done? Five people died on Benghazi, none which were Americans.
Speaker 1: That on the way Americans. But six hundred how many?
Speaker 1: How many hundreds of thousands have died right now from
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Okay, I'm just gonna let y'all sit on
Speaker 1: that one. Well, there was also the comparison to of
Speaker 1: her to remember Brett calv and On when he was
Speaker 1: crying while he was being investigated before being elected to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. So and Hillary did it, lucky ge.
Speaker 1: So you know Hillary was gangster with it because he
Speaker 1: didn't want you'll let her emails everybody times on want
Speaker 1: she got something to had? You know what? Hillary was
Speaker 1: having them emails. She had a boyfriend on the low
Speaker 1: because Bill was already cheating with Monica Lewinsky, nasty, so
Speaker 1: Miss Hillary had a dip on the lower. She was
Speaker 1: sending out some sexting pictures. Miss Hillary didn't want you
Speaker 1: to see that old cat. No, ma'am, Bobby, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's always good thing. I do think they were personal.
Speaker 1: I think there was personal stuff in there and she
Speaker 1: just didn't want people reading it. And prior to that
Speaker 1: point they were able to refuse the other server, and
Speaker 1: now now we have new rules because of it. So
Speaker 1: I think that's terrific. But Jesus, that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: They didn't shut the hell up about those goddamn emails. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, they probably wanted her coupon to crate and
Speaker 1: barrow or something. I don't know what the problem want. Bobby.
Speaker 1: You know, we always love me and I was seeing guys.
Speaker 1: I would see you tonight for Love Lounge at six
Speaker 1: thirty right here. If you guys have not joined Love John,
Speaker 1: they to join me because we talked. We talk. We
Speaker 1: don't talk no politics, we talk love, sex and relationships. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh huh, Hey, guys, sorry I missed the first part
Speaker 1: of what you said. It's okay, fame which is being flame.
Speaker 1: You didn't miss nothing. Go ahead. I want to say
Speaker 1: this because a while back and Made we were having
Speaker 1: this conversation about police and I said, it's hard for
Speaker 1: stuff to be swept under the rug. Eventually things will
Speaker 1: come out because it has to go through so many layers.
Speaker 1: And I said, so when it comes to policing and everything,
Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, the light of day. And I
Speaker 1: am just completely dumbfounded with this Ronald Green case and
Speaker 1: how how deep the cover up was, and how many
Speaker 1: people were a part of that, and how many steps
Speaker 1: it went through, and just sort of the campaign to
Speaker 1: cover that up. So now my argument to people, you know,
Speaker 1: I get blue lives matter, and I'm for all of that.
Speaker 1: But my argument to the people who are just in
Speaker 1: denial of the reality of policing, where did you go
Speaker 1: now with your defense? Because this this is not fake,
Speaker 1: this is not a conspiracy, this is facts. So what
Speaker 1: is your defense? Now? Who knows what's happening in policing
Speaker 1: in our country? I mean, it's scary to think about it,
Speaker 1: but I could only imagine knowing that something was something happened,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I didn't fall for the trick that
Speaker 1: the police were trying to, you know, tell me about
Speaker 1: my loved one, and just finding out that he was
Speaker 1: murdered brutally and that there was a cover up campaign
Speaker 1: behind it. I couldn't imagine and the distrust that I
Speaker 1: would have for the rest of my life with policing. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to Welcome to our world, that's what I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: Welcome to black folks world, because we have no trust
Speaker 1: for the foul ask police that's out here. To say
Speaker 1: that they all that would be would be hypocrisy. But
Speaker 1: it's too many bad ones and not enough good ones
Speaker 1: that want to speak up and stand back. Then because
Speaker 1: they have their own little clubhouse that if you turn.
Speaker 1: If I turned on Lauren, then all my ship go away.
Speaker 1: I lose my house. My kids are in jeopardy. It
Speaker 1: is too scary on all ends. And then you got
Speaker 1: people who we voted and put in positions of power,
Speaker 1: with Congressman Senterman, since a Congressman, Senators and all that
Speaker 1: telling me what I did not see. I I don't
Speaker 1: have the best eyesight, but god damn it, I saw
Speaker 1: a murder. I've seen a couple of murders in my face.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna tell me what I didn't see because
Speaker 1: they ain't shipped wrong with me. And I'm not a
Speaker 1: weak person. Neither am I follower. I'm a leader and
Speaker 1: a lot of y'all need to find your voice, find
Speaker 1: your heart, y'all, strength, y'all brain, and your courage, and
Speaker 1: get your assers home because some of y'all lost. Y'all.
Speaker 1: Let people tell you what they just what they saw,
Speaker 1: and then you believe what they what they tell you
Speaker 1: that you saw. When you know what you saw, some
Speaker 1: of y'all need to get a gay as a kool
Speaker 1: aid from Ghana. Let me just say that some of
Speaker 1: y'all need a glass of kool aid from Ghana. It's
Speaker 1: called the Jim Jones was a fact of some of y'all.
Speaker 1: Stupid Mark, do you refted a couple of feathers with
Speaker 1: that Blue Lives Matter comment? I'm gonna just let you
Speaker 1: know front. My point was, I know I get people.
Speaker 1: I mean I think collectively there's most of us have respect.
Speaker 1: Not obviously there's enforcement officer. I'm not saying that, but
Speaker 1: I think there are we all know someone who's good.
Speaker 1: So my point was is I'm not negating the history
Speaker 1: and sort of the brutality of policing today. So I
Speaker 1: don't want any want to take my words the wrong way,
Speaker 1: But it was more so is now I would your
Speaker 1: defense can't be oh, well, that doesn't happen. You know
Speaker 1: this as often as we think it is. It's like
Speaker 1: we don't really know. This was covered up so well
Speaker 1: for two years. We could only imagine what is happening
Speaker 1: on the daily in this time and one story that's
Speaker 1: one story, one story correct, and so you know this
Speaker 1: us back to what I said, there needs to be
Speaker 1: uh separate entity that it's reviewing uh specific cases. But
Speaker 1: every department needs to have somebody there, some sort of council,
Speaker 1: independent council. Someone it's not elected, somebody's not bought out.
Speaker 1: I mean you are, I'm not. No, no, no, no, listen,
Speaker 1: because every there are not gonna work like that. Baby.
Speaker 1: It is, but it's not going to work. The ones
Speaker 1: that are independent council are not. I know what you're saying. Baby,
Speaker 1: we've been don't you hear the argument? We've been needed
Speaker 1: to work for four hundred years. But hear me when
Speaker 1: I tell you Mark that there are people been put
Speaker 1: in those positions to to overlook it. They put people
Speaker 1: in those positions to overlook what has happened and know
Speaker 1: that it is wrong. It's not the integrity it is.
Speaker 1: Do I want to change my lifestyle? Look at you,
Speaker 1: mar Look how you live, so just I'm taking I'm
Speaker 1: using you as an example, the way you live your
Speaker 1: expensive dollar. You wouldn't want that change is because if
Speaker 1: they goes against the grain and Bay loses everything, not
Speaker 1: to say that you don't have your own money, but
Speaker 1: then y'all laughs. Changed. People don't want to change their
Speaker 1: their living situation. They don't want to change whether their
Speaker 1: children go to school, and they don't want to walk
Speaker 1: around in fear. So as opposed to them pushing back,
Speaker 1: they just don't say nothing and it gets the job,
Speaker 1: don't or they put people in positions that would do
Speaker 1: everything that they asked them to do and say that
Speaker 1: is what the reason we lost Liz Cheney because Liz
Speaker 1: Cheney was not playing the game that they wanted her
Speaker 1: to play. That's where they put that other week bitch
Speaker 1: up there. I see it. Yeah, I mean you know,
Speaker 1: I get I do. It's something that seems impossible. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that's a lie. My point is is
Speaker 1: that the only what's the solution if we can't figure
Speaker 1: out and get to a point where each department there
Speaker 1: is some sort of third party oversight or something that's
Speaker 1: reviewing these I mean, think about this the medical examiners report,
Speaker 1: the physician and the e er said something wasn't right.
Speaker 1: How did not? I mean, what was the cover up
Speaker 1: with that? But his mom, yes, she had her doubts
Speaker 1: of the situation that she was told. But still even
Speaker 1: something that's in writing, how's that covered up? There's again
Speaker 1: it seems unrealistic that there could be a third entity
Speaker 1: that's going to be overseen. Is but that's really our
Speaker 1: only solution if not, nothing's gonna change. I mean, nothing's
Speaker 1: gonna change. I mean, that's my opinion. The only way
Speaker 1: is that if we truly found a way to get
Speaker 1: to that point where there was this governing body overseeing this. Uh,
Speaker 1: because again I don't know what that solution is. What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? So it's not it's I know
Speaker 1: a lot of comments I see that there's it's not
Speaker 1: about youthful innocence. It's not about me being naive. It's
Speaker 1: the reality that we don't have that conversation. If we
Speaker 1: don't get to the point of having it doesn't bother no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me. If my point is is, though,
Speaker 1: if we don't open up that conversation, then we're not
Speaker 1: gonna change anything. We're gonna just be stuck with and
Speaker 1: talk about. That's all we ever do is talk about it.
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody gotta do something. I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 1: we're about to do. We're about to come about this garage.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mikey Mard. I'm burning up and I want
Speaker 1: to close on one positive note again talking about part
Speaker 1: quiet diplomacy. Last week we were talking about the conflict
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. There is right now, at least
Speaker 1: for a time being, a bit of peace, so to
Speaker 1: Jericho and his family members, and he was talking about
Speaker 1: who are Palestinian who are still there? I'm happy that
Speaker 1: for now, at least there seems to be a stopping
Speaker 1: of the destruction and the violence that was happening in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. So, uh well, can you do me
Speaker 1: a favorite Nick Smith News? Please? Can you report that
Speaker 1: we having that same incident here next week? Can we stop?
Speaker 1: Can we no more violence, no more shooting, no more
Speaker 1: killing black people. I would love for you to be
Speaker 1: able to say that next Monday. I would love for
Speaker 1: you to be able to say that. I would feel
Speaker 1: great about having my daughter to get her driver's license
Speaker 1: and drive in the car, because then I won't be
Speaker 1: worried about whether she's speeding on the phone. I would
Speaker 1: be worried about her being pulled over. About goddamn police
Speaker 1: officer that did not see that my daughter was a
Speaker 1: beautiful young woman. He just saw a black girl. It's
Speaker 1: so interesting you say that too. I was just watching
Speaker 1: a documentary about Sandra Bland and it broke my heart
Speaker 1: to see what happened to her. But Nick, on that
Speaker 1: point though that you just made about the ceasefire that's happening. Um,
Speaker 1: I will say this opposing. Yeah, exactly, they're talking about
Speaker 1: a ceasefire, but the violence hasn't ended. I just, uh,
Speaker 1: first of all, there's so many layers to this. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to do give a give a shout out
Speaker 1: to Bernie Sanders and AOC in terms of their objecting
Speaker 1: to the sale of the seven dred and thirty five
Speaker 1: million dollars I was given to Israel to have these
Speaker 1: bombs in the first place. And um, just on a
Speaker 1: final note, Joe Biden kind of pissed me off on
Speaker 1: this front because when he was saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: there needed to be some type of resolution for both sides,
Speaker 1: it literally gave me PTSD to when Trump tried to
Speaker 1: say that there were fine people on both sides and
Speaker 1: when what happened in Charlotte's Ville didn't, I didn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, shaking the table, um, Um, that's how
Speaker 1: that's how I took it. Um. I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: I don't like what's happening around this. I think that
Speaker 1: the US has really honestly assisted Israel and starting a war.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I didn't like what Joe Biden had
Speaker 1: to say. So that's just, oh well, I just gonna
Speaker 1: close with I. I do think Palestinians deserved to have
Speaker 1: peace and and and and stay and and have and
Speaker 1: have access. So I think that the problem is when
Speaker 1: I grew up, Israel was David. Israel has since become Goliath.
Speaker 1: So the sympathies have started to shift. There was a
Speaker 1: time when Israel was the one being picked on and bullied. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's not the case anymore. And I think that
Speaker 1: we need to recognize that Palestinians deserve to live in
Speaker 1: peace and not be bombed relentlessly. And that's that's that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying that. I just think that somewhere in
Speaker 1: there we need to find a way to make that happen.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with narratives because Israel
Speaker 1: was never bullied. Israel was always the colonizer. And the
Speaker 1: fact that that was your original sentiment, Nick, I think
Speaker 1: goes to what the problem is. That's like people trying
Speaker 1: to say that Christopher Columbus was bullied when he first
Speaker 1: got here. Seriously it is. I think that's what that's
Speaker 1: the problem with the narrative. It just it just is
Speaker 1: because Israel was never bullied. They were the colonizers, they
Speaker 1: were the ladies and gentlemen. This is why I laugh
Speaker 1: and learned, is what it is, because we learned from
Speaker 1: each other, work and learn from you. Uh yeah, Nicholas
Speaker 1: and Lauren has had a day today. I love it.
Speaker 1: I wish you'd have been y'all could have. I would have.
Speaker 1: I would have been I would have had my sandup
Speaker 1: with my swimming suit, and I would have been a
Speaker 1: bitch walking around saying round one. I want to know.
Speaker 1: I want to make stra' clear though today. I want
Speaker 1: to make clear Israel was never a victim. And New
Speaker 1: York has the worst police force. Honestly, Nick, on the
Speaker 1: police front, we can agree to disagree because Some people
Speaker 1: have said that I was right about New yor work.
Speaker 1: Some people have said, you've been right about New York
Speaker 1: about Los Angeles. We can agree to disagree on that.
Speaker 1: But I said what I said on the Israel front,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. It's just that's that's the facts. Google.
Speaker 1: See everybody's saying Google Nick. Google it and you'll see
Speaker 1: that was the year I lost my virginity and nine before.
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Speaker 1: I want to clean up something because tosh K put
Speaker 1: out a bit what do you call a clip bait
Speaker 1: saying that I went after a certain person. I never
Speaker 1: mentioned the person's name to mention his name, yet that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I said. I never acknowledged his name. I
Speaker 1: never said anything we have a history. But my boss,
Speaker 1: Tiffany Hattish, who was also the executive producer of the show,
Speaker 1: asked me very professionally, don't speak on that anymore. I
Speaker 1: have not, not because I hold on to my job.
Speaker 1: I do get reckless by the mountain, but when I
Speaker 1: know that it's with my check and my change. I'm
Speaker 1: just like those officers in Louisiana when they was covering
Speaker 1: some ship up for two years. I'm just like all
Speaker 1: those black artists that told you all to hold They
Speaker 1: all vote and what was the black agenda? Just like
Speaker 1: they are right now. I was dead silent, so I
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