WEBVTT - #596 Packers Unscripted: Youth is served 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:10.799 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.320 Packers dot com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.560 by my trusted colleague West Hodko. It's coming to you 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.680 here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. This 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.760 is the final week of the Packers off season program, 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.000 final week of O t a S. As a result, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.080 this is also our final show. I guess you could 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.080 say of the off season. We will be back when 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.760 training camp rolls around. But wrapping up the off season 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:41.760 here this final week, veterans essentially excused from the on 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.560 field O t a work, So this week is one 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.879 that is very much focused on the young players on 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.839 this uh. This Packers ninety man roster and UH just 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.960 another opportunity for young guys to get their feet under them, 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.040 to learn the playbook a little bit more, to get 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.680 ready for we're training camp when they will be fighting 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.080 for those roster spots. Absolutely, and I want to talk 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.160 about Jordan's Love. I want to talk about Josh Meyers. 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:08.880 I want to talk about Eric Stokes and all these 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.800 young guys. I got a chance to get some reps 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.800 during these three days of O t S. But before 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.600 we get there. I want to talk about Aaron Jones 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.399 for a minute now. This is voluntary. Guys were excused. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.160 Matt Lafleur even said it a couple of weeks ago, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.080 if you participate in the virtual portion of this week, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.280 you'll still get credit for being here. I believe that 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.200 was one of the things he mentioned. So Aaron Jones 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.360 was excused. And it's not that Aaron Jones is there, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.360 he's making a statement. This is I just want to 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.160 offer this into evidence for exactly why the Green Bay 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.760 Packers made it such an emphasis to resign this young 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.280 man back in March. Because running backs it's a tough position, Mike, 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.480 it's tough to get paid, it's tough to last. But 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.680 Aaron Jones is different. He's different as a playmaker on 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.040 the field, he's different as a guy in the locker room, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.840 and for everything that he's been through this offseason. I 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.200 just thought it was very adding that that guy stuck 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.240 around finished this thing out. And as I said to 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.360 you even at one point in the practice, I mean, 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.359 if you ever wanted a better example of seeing one 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.800 guy just kind of being a notch above you know, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.600 everyone else, it was kind of Aaron Jones out there, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.920 the way he moves the plays, he makes a little 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.639 bit of a man among boys. He was just a 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.760 little delf there with all the rest of these young 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:25.720 guys on the roster. No offense to anyone paid running 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.840 backs in the league. Now he's dealing with a bunch 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.919 of guys who are rookies, first year players, and guys 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.480 trying to make this roster, and here's Aaron Jones out 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.520 there doing his thing. I just thought that was an 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.880 incredible testament to him. And again, for as difficult as 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.640 I know this offseat and has been for him these 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.160 last three months have been for him, just to see 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.680 him out there kind of brought a smile to my 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.200 face as you and I walked out on a Clark 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.120 hainkle Field on Tuesday. Yeah. Well, a couple of those 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.920 young guys that we'll talk about here, you and I 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.720 writing about them on Packers dot com this week. We'll 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.880 start with second round draft pick Josh Meyers at center. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:01.480 And I know we talked about this a little bit 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.400 on an earlier show, but when you look at you 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.280 look at collectively everything we saw through the O T 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.440 A S, through minicamp, all of the reps that Josh 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.600 Myers took in, particularly in the eleven on eleven where 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.120 he was the center with the number one offensive line. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.520 However it was constructed for that given day or that 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.680 given practice period. The number of times that he was 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.320 taking the snaps as the number one center, it sure 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.960 looks like they are going to give this young man 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.160 every opportunity to be the starting center on the offensive 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.520 line as a rookie. Do you get that. I'm not 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.120 saying anybody's handing him the job, but he's going to 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.640 be given He's going to be given the chance to 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.640 nail down this job as a rookie. That's the sense 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.640 I get. It's not even future tense, Mike, it's past tense. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.640 I mean, you look at how they use these six 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.560 practices that you and I were able to go and watch. Now. Obviously, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.080 Elton Jenkins was there for the early Porsche the offseason 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.280 program was out of it the second half of it, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.440 but Lucas Patrick, John Runnyan Jr. There are number of 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.960 guys that could have factored into that center spot. The 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.240 Green Bay Packers made it a point that Josh Myers 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.920 is going to take these reps. It reminds me of 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.320 the same exact thing they did with j C. Tread Or, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.080 you know, and some of these other guys where they 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.840 drafted them and there they committed them to that position. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.800 And I just feel like, again, he's going to have 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.400 to earn this. We got to see what it looks 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.120 like when the pads go on. But from a mental 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.360 aptitude perspective, and just the way that he plays that position, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.599 and coming from the program that he did, Josh Myers 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.479 seems to have what it takes from a pure on 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.600 paper perspective to be a year one starter. And the 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.000 fact that Green Bay had all these other options they 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.600 could have looked at for the center position, the fact 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:44.279 that they gave him that sort of acknowledgement. This offseason program, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.680 I think speaks volumes about where they view him right 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.400 now and where they think he could be later this summer. Yeah, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.200 when you when you watch the videos looking at Josh Meyers, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.719 his his sessions with the media, We've had a couple 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.279 of them now. The way he talks about his game, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.919 his coach, the way he wants to go about learning everything, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.120 all the ins and outs of the offense, and and 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.000 just the way he handled himself and he carries himself. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.280 You can see why the Packers like this guy and 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.240 why they invested a second round draft pick in him. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.200 The other thing I will say is that again, nobody's 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.560 nobody's handing in the job. But if Josh Meyers through 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.160 training camp in the preseason can prove that he he 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.080 is the guy at center, that he can be the 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.800 guy to hold down that job, it really simplifies a 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.279 lot of things for the for the Packers. Because we've 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.280 talked about, Okay, guys like Elton Jenkins, Billy Turner, Lucas Patrick, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.039 their versatility, their ability to play multiple positions has been 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.880 extremely valuable and will continue to be extremely valuable. But 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.240 if Josh Meyers can nail down the center position so 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.960 that Lucas Patrick doesn't have to focus as much attention 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.680 there and can focus on guard, Elton Jenkins doesn't have 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.839 to try to play every position, but maybe he's going 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.440 to fill in at left tackle if Boxer he's not back, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.040 But also then you know he can focus on guard 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.920 and maybe left tackle. Billy Turner in that respect also 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.120 maybe gets to focus that much more of his attention 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.080 at right tackle, which, as we've talked about, he proved 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.240 last year of all the different spots he can play 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.159 and play well. Right tackle is probably his best fit 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.719 in his best spot, particularly in this offense and the 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.599 way it runs. If Josh Meyers can't be the guy, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.159 the Packers will figure out a way. They will, But 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.080 it just feels like if he can be, things start 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.560 to simplify a lot on the offensive line. It it 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.880 reduces the number of options and combinations that you have 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.120 to consider, which I think is going to be helpful 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.760 for all those players as as valuable as they've been 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.400 with their versatility. Well, and a few things to this. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.919 First and foremost relates to Myers. The fact that he 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.039 has been at center. That has opened the door for 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.000 how Green Bay has wanted to use the rest of 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:58.800 that offensive line. And what I mean by that isn't 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.000 just okay, here's this guy is gonna go there. This 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.360 guy's gonna go there. No, it's allowed it. So it's like, Okay, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.239 what are our different guard combinations that we want to try. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:08.919 Who are the guys we want to run at the 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.880 tackle positions. Knowing that you may not have David Baktiari 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.280 in the early part of this season, could have him 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.800 guessing that's what he's planning to do, but you just 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.400 don't know until a guy gets cleared. So that's where 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.320 you saw Billy Turner at left tackle. You saw Elton 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.440 Jenkins at left tackle. The two guys that have basically 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.200 been pretty stationary where Myers at center and Lucas Patrick 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.720 at right guard, which is valuable for Lucas to a 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.800 guy that's still only really been entrenched as a one 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.280 year starter, just getting to learn one position after being 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.320 in a rover roll for a number of years. So 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.400 all that stuff is important. But seeing the rest of 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.520 this competition way out, Royce Newman getting some number one 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.720 snaps throughout the spring, Ben Braden kind of coming out 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.000 of nowhere for a lot of people being able to 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.680 get some work at left tackle after Elton Jenkins was missing. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.360 That's gonna be where this sort of fire is flamed 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.160 throughout training camp and trying to figure out what the 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.600 best combination of five is going to be. Because, as 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.560 you and I have said since the day we wrote 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.480 our position by position series going into the draft, even 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.520 before Josh Myers is a member this roster, Green Bay 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.120 has a lot of ways they can go on this 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.120 offensive line. In the more guys that can get pegged 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.920 into certain spots that starts to clear that picture up 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.280 now for the two thou season. Yeah, I think that's 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.520 gonna be something definitely to watch in training camp quickly. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.960 Here West Serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.000 analysis and up to the minute NFL news that true 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:36.320 football fanatics need. Seven three turning our attention here to 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.079 first round draft pick Eric Stokes, and UM, just to 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.400 let everybody know, there is a story on Josh Myers 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.760 that is on Packers dot com. There's also one on 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.160 Eric Stokes written by you. I did the Myers when 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.360 you did the Stokes one on Packers dot com. We've 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.800 talked a bit about Stokes already and UM, but some 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.360 of the angle that you took with regard to your 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.240 story I thought was interesting because when you look at 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.520 the whole picture here, you know the athletic ability, all 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.480 of the all those physical traits that Eric Stokes is 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.920 bringing into his young career in the NFL. And then 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.600 for a three day minicamp last week, he gets to 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.440 work side by side with Jayar Alexander, one of the 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.320 best cornerbacks in this game and a guy who was 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.080 a rookie and a very young player, not that long ago, right, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.720 and then combine that with the fact that his position 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.480 coaches Jerry Gray, a former Pro Bowl player himself and 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.439 then a longtime coach in the NFL who has coached 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.240 a number of Pro Bowl and All Pro defensive backs 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.959 through a rather distinguished coaching career. Eric Stokes couldn't ask 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.600 for a better situation almost when. And that's not to 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.120 take anything away from, you know, from Kevin King and 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.560 Shannon Sullivan and what those guys are going to bring 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.920 to this secondary. I'm not discounting that at all. But 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.640 in terms of a young guy learning the ropes and 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.760 figuring it out and finding his role in this defense whatever, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.560 that's going to be his rookie year. To to have 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.720 Alexander on one shoulder, so to speak, and Jerry Gray 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.400 on the other, it's it's a perfect setup. Yeah, And 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.040 Shamar John Charles is in the same spot right now, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.880 to the fifth round pick on Appalachian State. Apple Acchian State. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.240 I always mess that up, well, depending on who you 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.120 talked to, a mess set up. But the thing about 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.080 when you look at everything with Stokes is he jumps 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.280 off the page. You know, the way he broke out 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.640 in his true junior year, the forty time that he 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.920 registered all of those things made him a first round pick. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.480 It's it's just it does you know in the size 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.960 and all that. But I think what I witnessed the 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.360 most during this offseason program was one the value of 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.840 this for young players. Uh you can even just tell 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.920 the way that he's talking. I mean, yeah, there's a 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.240 long way for Stokes to go. There's a lot of 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.600 information that has to go osmosis from Jerry Gray passing 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.679 it down to his first round pick here, but just 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.800 listening to the way Gray talked about it and listening 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.520 to the lessons that Stokes has already learned, because yeah, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.760 you're not tackling, Yeah you're not doing all those type 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.680 of things, but understanding what you're seeing on the field 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.560 in a blink of an eye, with how fast the 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.760 pieces are moving out there. In translating that to what 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.240 how you react to a play, that's the step man. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.679 That's where a guy goes from playing with his athleticism 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.880 and his natural talent wixed with you know, some fledgening 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.280 cornerback skills at the college level to doing what your 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.400 Alexander has done now in the national Football League, And 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.360 I think that's what I like the most about Stokes 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.040 and and listen to him talk and the enthusiasm and 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.280 the energy, even getting you know, sometimes jumping over a 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.080 word or two because he's so excited about you know 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.400 what he's saying. I just get the feeling. You can 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.600 tell why the Packers when they sat down with this guy, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.200 when Jerry Gray had the conversations with this guy in 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.360 the pre draft process, why they liked him so much. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.000 Now you talked about the way this lines up in 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.240 the secondary, this is picture perfect. He has Alexander and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.520 Great to learn from, but he also has Kevin King 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.760 and Shandon Sullivan and you know Will Redman. In the dime. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.600 There's all these guys, Josh Jackson returning as well. There's 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.760 these guys competing for playing time. So it's not like 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.080 Green Bay's just saying, Okay, Stokes, you have to be 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.840 a first your starter. You're gonna be starting on the perimeter. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.720 He's gonna have time to learn here. And as he 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.600 goes kind of climbed that depth chart. But in terms 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.000 of just low pressure, you know, high upside in terms 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.520 of what learning in an offseason program, I just think 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.400 it was set up for him perfectly. Yeah, I think 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.320 it's uh, he he's going to be He's going to 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.560 be one to watch in uh in training camp, just 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.880 you know, especially when I'm most curious. I think when 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.120 the pads go on. He he mentioned um, you know, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.559 and you quoted him in the story talking about how 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.640 he's he's so much more accustomed to being a press 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.000 man corner. And so I'm very interested when the pads 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.920 go on because obviously all of the all of the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.160 stuff through the spring is nonpadded, but when he when 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.000 he is actually jamming wide receivers at the line and 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.200 you know, the contact you know, ramps up a little 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.080 bit when you get to that stage of training camp. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.560 I'm really interested to see just just how he looks, uh, 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.400 you know, because he's certainly shown to this point he 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.720 looks like he belongs. But then you also want to 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.000 see those guys take take the steps, take those strides 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.040 from what they do as a rookie in the spring 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.160 with all kinds of promise too then tow then what 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.520 they show when they're out there in eleven on eleven 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.400 with with all of the you know, all the big dogs, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.160 and you could see why he was a press man 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.280 corner at Georgia with his size and his speed that 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.200 is tailor made for the sec and being able to 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.520 be physical the line of scrimmage but also have the 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.680 quickness and acceleration to make up for it. You know, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.559 if a guy gets behind you at all, especially at 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.000 that level where quarterbacks probably aren't throwing balls on a 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.520 you know, a rope like you're gonna see at this level. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.880 So it makes total sense, but you need more in 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.760 That was one of the big messages that Jerry Grace 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.600 said with the entire cornerback room last year was making 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.720 sure they understand zone man, press off. There's so many 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.000 different components that they have to master and we actually 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.160 really don't know what the big emphasis is going to 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.000 be yet with Joe Barry, Yeah what what this is 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.200 all gonna look like? But certainly, uh, those lessons and 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.280 being able to understand what's expected of him when he 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.960 isn't directly in a receiver's face, those are things that 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.960 are going to pay dividends down the road. Yeah. Well, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.120 with all the focus on the young players on the 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.360 roster this last week here the offseason program, I want 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.200 to I want to toss a question at you, and 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.240 I'm sure we'll talk about this more when we come 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.480 back and get behind these microphones again during training camp. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.440 But I'm just curious your thoughts on these young guys 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.720 that we know we're going to be fighting for roster 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.400 spots and whatnot based on what you saw this spring. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.160 Are there guys that have sort of piqued your interest? 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.320 I'll call them the under the weeder guys and maybe 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.760 the fans, don't you know, they're not the household names, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.960 not a lot of the guys that we've been talking about, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.600 the draft picks and whatnot. But these under the radar 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.880 guys that you think are gonna be are gonna be 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.840 worth watching when training camp here rolls around. Yeah, Marv 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.320 is gonna love this from the production standpoint of overlaying 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.360 video with the Patrick Taylor's of the world here making 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.640 sure we have some of that available. But there are 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.920 there's there's probably a list of five or six guys 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.960 that have intrigued me. It starts with Patrick Taylor. This 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.040 guy is a he looks like James Starks, but with 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.720 probably twenty more pounds on his body. I mean, he's 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.160 just a full grown man. He's a guy that I 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:33.920 still think would have been a draft pick a year 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.120 ago had it not been for that List Frank or whatever. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.480 He was dealing with with the foot that basically kept 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.000 him out for almost like a year and a half, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.360 but he got back at the end of last season. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.080 They you know, obviously they made the move with Mike Weber. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.080 It's kind of a three man race right now for 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.720 that number three running back job, and he's fully entrenched 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.680 in that. The guy that I think probably heightened his 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.000 draft his stock in the off season program more than 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.080 anyone those Jowan Winfrey, who was a guy that was 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.000 on the practice squad for basically of last season, was 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.600 a pickup. Has some NFL experience before, but when you're 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.120 talking about slot receivers and guys who can do things 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.640 across the middle, Winfrey made a lot of impressive catches 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.160 this spring. I think he really helped his case. And 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.360 and just seeing some of these other guys on the 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.800 offensive line, I mean, we can't really derive a lot 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.720 of information, but seeing Simon Stepanek for the first time 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.240 in pads, uh not pads, but it's the first time 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.920 in a uniform after last year missing the entire year 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.440 with the torn a c L. Those first impressions are important, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.320 and I just feel like with some of these guys 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.200 that the Packers kind of red shirted last year, seeing 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.000 which ones now can mount a push for a roster spot, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.520 it's gonna be really compelling theater come August. Yeah. I 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.360 made a list of a few guys here as far 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.120 as this young player category, and both Patrick Taylor and 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.160 Juwan Winfrey were on it. And again we just talked about, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.960 you know, with Eric Stokes and when the pads go on, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.640 and and and the press coverage obviously it's sort of 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.920 almost goes without saying with regard to the running back 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.520 and getting into the preseason games like we've mentioned before, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.840 but with a guy like Winfrey, that's also you want 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.200 to see when the pads go on, when it gets 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.840 more physical at the line of scrimmage, can he still 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.439 get open and be making the catches, making the plays 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.160 that he made during the spring, Right That's the that's 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.880 the next step that that these guys have to stake 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.960 to take. So he's certainly on my list. I'm gonna 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.080 throw one other one at you as far as a 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.680 young returning player, and we've talked about the competition that 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.000 there's going to be at the cornerback position, you know, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.440 with Josh Jackson in the mix and and Eric Stokes 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.760 and Kudar Home in six round picks in recent years. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:42.919 But Stanford Samuels undrafted, undrafted a year ago, he flashed, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.680 you know, made a couple of plays here in uh 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.399 in this o t a mini camp um period of 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.960 time in the spring and uh and you know this 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.480 is this, this is a young man I think is uh, 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.720 He's he's going to have a spotlight on him, I 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.439 think even more so in the preseason games maybe than 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.600 than in practice. Obviously you've got to prove it in 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.160 practice to you know, to earn that playing time. But 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.879 but for a guy who for a guy who accomplished 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.280 what he accomplished in college and was kind of a 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:17.320 surprise to not get drafted. And then with all with 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.280 you know, all these young guys, you know, second year guys. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.119 You could call him that that missed everything from a 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.560 rookie offseason standpoint and a rookie preseason standpoint because of 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.200 COVID and everything last year. These are the guys that 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.440 are going to be really interesting to watch. And Stanford 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.560 Samuel's at cornerback is on my list A couple of 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.960 things that I love that pick. Sanford Samuels was one 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.280 of my guys last year. I actually in my unofficial 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.720 fifty three, I actually had him on it last year. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.879 I was really impressed by the camp he put together, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.840 and I love his backstory. The one thing that hurt 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.399 him was the forty time and and that was something 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.280 that you know how that works at this league, Mike, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:59.119 is that sometimes scouch latch onto height, wait forty bench reps, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.720 and they don't let it go um and sometimes it 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.399 ends up being right. But in sometimes I think, as 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.680 I even wrote about Insider Inbox this week, they tend 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.480 to overthink things. Ben Braden's a guy that they kind 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.000 of overthought things with. No matter if Ben Braden becomes 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.160 a starting caliber NFL offensive lineman or not, I don't 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.040 think it matters. He already made it this far. He's 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.480 already been in the league this long. And this is 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.240 a guy that originally from NFL dot Com, got a 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.400 chance to be in an NFL training camp. They didn't 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.200 even say a chance to like try to make a roster. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.720 They were saying a chance to be on a ninety 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.920 man roster and I think sometimes people latch onto certain 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.080 attributes about guys and they just hold them to that 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.840 because there's a lot of guys to look at. But 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.080 Stanford Samuel's and then another guy I'll throw out there 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.879 too is kaban Into. Uh. You know, last year had 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.320