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Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia, the

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Speaker 1: Metater podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.

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Speaker 2: That's noon o'clock for our friends in Madison, Wisconsin, on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: September twenty fifth, and we're live for Meet Eater. Hqan Boseman.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Randall and Max.

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Speaker 2: On today's show, we'll interview taxidermy historian Brant McDuff. Then

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Speaker 2: we have a hot tip off, followed by a review

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Speaker 2: of the twenty ten documentary Elephant in the living Room,

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Speaker 2: and finally we'll interview the organizers of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five Sasquatch Calling contest. First off, we have some plugs

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Speaker 3: Well. First of all, I want to wish a very

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Speaker 3: happy vacation to our friend Mogor.

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Speaker 2: Randall's going to be there. He's going to entertain you

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Speaker 2: all night long at the meat Eater Live Tour Holiday cheer.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be spreading it thick in the South.

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Speaker 2: Also, our tailgate tour rolls on and this Saturday, the

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Speaker 2: twenty seventh, we will be at Penn State for their

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Speaker 2: meat Eater crew. We will be playing games, giving away prizes,

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Speaker 2: and showing off how Meat Eater tailgates. This week, it

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Speaker 2: is Seth and Brody who will be there. And I

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Speaker 2: wonder if those boys are in the loop for just

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Speaker 3: We're probably not so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or do you think they know to wear white?

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Speaker 4: Brody was there last year?

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Speaker 3: No, but I mean attends he can be an honorary

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Speaker 2: It all right. Last plug, One, Last plug, our annual

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Speaker 2: week of celebrating America's most pursued game animal, the white

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Speaker 2: Tail Week kicks off Monday and runs from September twenty

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Speaker 2: that starting next Monday, September twenty ninth. We'll have some

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Speaker 2: as well. All Right, we have a war going on

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Speaker 2: in the office. This is the English muffin War. It's

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Speaker 2: Max and I had declared that I had recently found

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Speaker 3: And I said what both alliterative.

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Speaker 2: And Max said. Max said, well, they're not as good

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Speaker 2: we we decided that I would go by Max's English

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Speaker 2: English muffins and try them. Max, what did you think

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Speaker 4: Spencer?

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Speaker 5: I gave your English muffins a fair chance. I tried

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Speaker 4: And what did I say? A six out of ten?

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Speaker 2: You you went as far as saying that your wife

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Speaker 2: my English muffins. I went and tried Max's English muffins.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care for his. So we now have furthered

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Speaker 2: going to allow them to declare which one is, indeed

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Speaker 2: the best English muffin? My English muffin the stone In

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, curse, give us, give us your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Are we doing this now or right now? Right? Just

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Speaker 3: a teaser. First of all, I'd just like to say

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Speaker 3: less invested in than what is the best English muffin.

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Speaker 3: It's a question I've never considered.

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Speaker 2: Until you have a really good English muffin, and then

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Speaker 3: When I ate these English muffins? I thought to myself,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm used to McDonald's English tom Yeah, well Thomas

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Speaker 3: egg McMuffin, which delicious. Both of these were formidable creations.

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Speaker 3: by the size. To me, they looked more like biscuits.

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Speaker 3: I don't they have. They both have very different qualities.

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Speaker 3: Spencer's your English muffin is I would compare it more

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Speaker 3: to like a bagel round. It's dowe, it's chewy, dense.

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Speaker 3: It's dense. You don't have to tear it. I feel

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Speaker 3: like the other Max's Max's English muffin. They're both exceptional.

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Speaker 3: Max's English Muffin is closest to my understanding of what

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Speaker 3: an English muffin is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't make any, We just buy them.

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Speaker 3: It has the sort of cratered the cratered surface with

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Speaker 3: I don't know if nooks and crannies is a trademark.

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Speaker 3: Turret's good, but it has those you do have to

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Speaker 2: Tender.

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Speaker 3: No, well, I think your hair. I think yours is tender.

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Speaker 3: It's got like it's got like a crust to.

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Speaker 4: It because it's doe.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna go wishy washy. I'm gonna say Max's.

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Speaker 3: If I was gonna eat one with butter, probably Max's.

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Speaker 3: If I was going to eat one with like as

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Speaker 3: a sandwich or with jelly, probably yours.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think you've sailed anything.

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Speaker 3: No, Well, again, as I said, this is the question

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Speaker 3: that I have nothing invested in. In fact, the whole

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Speaker 3: time this has been going on, I've actually been shocked

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Speaker 3: that this is a thing. The world is going to

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Speaker 3: judge us. Seriously. Have you heard about the English muffin debate.

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Speaker 6: At the Geez?

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Speaker 2: They'll give us a hot take here which one is

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Speaker 2: a good thing?

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Speaker 7: I'm here so someone can take a gd stance in

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Speaker 7: this room. Listen both muffins. I would be satisfied if

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Speaker 7: I made one of these at home, I'd be happy

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Speaker 7: with either. That being said, Spencer's.

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Speaker 3: Takes the cake.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, honestly, on every single level, it's what I want,

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Speaker 7: Like like the the boys have already insinuated. It's a

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Speaker 7: little bit doughier. It was thicker, but the way Spencer

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Speaker 7: and then you got to that when we bread that

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Speaker 7: wasn't undercooked, the chee the shoe was very satisfying. And

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Speaker 7: on top of that, Spencer's butter was better as well.

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Speaker 2: So that's how much better.

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Speaker 3: Screwed up in shaking the butter off of Spencer's because

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Speaker 3: there was there was butter pooling.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have the crators in it to absorb.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, Back to what I was saying is it was

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Speaker 7: incredibly important. Spencers muffin was better and this may. I

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Speaker 7: mean the fact that you guys were using the same

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Speaker 7: disqualifies for me from being a food judge a capacity.

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Speaker 6: But I think that just.

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Speaker 7: Speaks to the quality of Spencer's muffin. Yes, that's all

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Speaker 7: I'll say.

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Speaker 4: I just will not be buying them all.

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Speaker 3: Sorry. I liked Spencer's muffin a lot, but as I

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Speaker 3: ate it, I thought to myself, this isn't what I

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Speaker 3: think of when I think of an English muffin. It

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Speaker 3: was like a treat.

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Speaker 5: So you know that hasn't been settled yet. Yeah, it

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Speaker 5: sounds like Randall's voting for mine and Phil's voting for you.

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Speaker 2: I will just take a time, Max, I'd be satisfied

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Speaker 2: with that. I did enjoy your English muffin. I felt

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Speaker 2: a little hurt though, that you said the one I

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Speaker 2: liked it was a six out of ten and your

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Speaker 2: in laws didn't. As we all know, in laws have

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Speaker 2: the worst taste imaginable and they didn't even like it. Tough.

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Speaker 3: What does the chat think? I think we're ready to

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Speaker 3: put this one to bet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the English muffin war wages on, all right, joining

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Speaker 2: us on the line. First is taxidermy historian and author

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Speaker 2: Brant McDuff Brandt. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: Hey, thank you for having me. Absolutely, I've never had

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Speaker 8: my work have to compete with debates about bread, but

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Speaker 8: I'm honored for it to be the first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Brant, what is a taxidermy historian? And how does

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Speaker 2: one become a taxidermy historian?

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Speaker 9: You know, it's a thing if you make it a thing.

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Speaker 8: I do work for museums, and I had always loved animals.

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Speaker 8: I'd always loved taxidermy because I felt like taxidermy were

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Speaker 8: into my house. It's really difficult to have live elk

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Speaker 8: just been a fan of the animals and taxidermy and

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Speaker 8: Mostly it's just a catchy tagline that gets people interested,

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Speaker 8: So that I would consider more the villain side. The

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Speaker 9: This was a time where.

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Speaker 8: Some towns had eighteen taxidermists in one town.

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Speaker 8: So something I'm a big fan of that I don't

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Speaker 2: I not seen anything like that either. You can see photos.

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Speaker 9: It can be up on the wall.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. Now. You spend a lot of

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 8: I kind of flipped them into two different groupings so

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Speaker 8: I could cheat and get one more. Okay, great, far

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Speaker 8: as traditional natural history museums are concerned, you're not going

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Speaker 8: Mammals was finished up and around the nineteen forties, and

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Speaker 8: they are excellent examples of tax dermy and habitat Dioramas

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Speaker 8: the Wonders of Wildlife Museums Springfield at the bass Pro

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Speaker 8: unbelievable museum, unbelievable, insane museum. And if you want really

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Speaker 8: out the Fairbanks Museum and Planetarium in Saint Johnsbury, Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bucket list places. I wrote down all four of those, Brant.

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Speaker 2: If people want to know more about your work in

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Speaker 8: My website is Immortalanimals dot com. My instagram is Stuff

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Speaker 8: me there. I give all kinds of lectures. I travel

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Speaker 8: the Kinfolk Hunting Collective in the New York area.

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Speaker 2: Okay, brand book, The Shotgun Conservationist is available right now. Brant,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining.

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Speaker 9: Us, Thanks for out any guys have a good one.

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Speaker 2: American Museum Natural History in New York, Natural History Museum

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Speaker 2: Do you say in Georgia? In Vermont? I'm sorry? How

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Speaker 2: many of those places have you been to?

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Speaker 3: Randall three?

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Speaker 2: Okay, not the Vermont?

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Speaker 2: How about you, Max? Have you been to any?

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Speaker 3: My favorite museum for tax dermy is as a world traveler,

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Speaker 3: It's like the hot springs at White Sulfur, just like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I did say that in a private tax exchange.

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Speaker 3: No. No, of all the things that have blushed about

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Speaker 2: enhancing recovery, and bolstering health, preparing you for any challenge. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this week it is James Chapman versus Lane Are. They

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Speaker 2: are competing for a one hundred dollars meat eat your

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Speaker 2: gift card, take it away, Phil.

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Speaker 9: Wayne Acre.

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Speaker 10: And there's Lane Acre and I got a hot tip

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Speaker 10: for making sure your decoys don't get tangled all next season.

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Speaker 10: So you needed some para cord, PVC pipe, a couple

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Speaker 10: of carabiners. So what you do is you cut your

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Speaker 10: PVC down a little bit shorter than your lines and

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Speaker 10: your decoys, and you cut.

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Speaker 11: Your hair qord a little bit longer than that.

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Speaker 10: Exactly what you got finished product pain of black. The

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Speaker 10: line runs through it from the top and from there

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Speaker 10: you can hook the dcoys on. Holl you got a

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Speaker 10: bigger carabiner here, cook it on. You got a hand

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Speaker 10: decoy carrier. So I've got a few of these in

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Speaker 10: my boat when I carry in, I can carry a

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Speaker 10: couple of these pretty easily, about fifteen decoys per keep

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Speaker 10: them from getting tangled.

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Speaker 3: And you know I have to worry.

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Speaker 10: About buying those expensive decoyl on that just he's like

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Speaker 10: one hundred pound amount of fila in it.

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Speaker 11: First grade hot tip.

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Speaker 4: I like it, change shopping.

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Speaker 12: I've solved the problem for hunting here and protection.

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Speaker 11: Hoodies.

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Speaker 12: Got these daggum things on them end of your string

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Speaker 12: ties These reusable plastic earplugs right there right there. You

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Speaker 12: just jam them on the end and they're literally right

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Speaker 12: on your hoodie, right in your ear all the time.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 2: Two very hot tips there from James and Lane, Max,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to really rely on you here for

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Speaker 2: that custom decoy carrier of a tip?

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Speaker 5: Was that?

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Speaker 2: And before you answer, Phil is going to put this

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Speaker 2: pole in our chat too for them to vote as well,

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Speaker 2: and our listeners are going to decide who gets that

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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars meat eater gift card. Get in there,

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Speaker 2: all right, Maxwell?

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Speaker 5: In my experience, they get tangled either way, no matter what.

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Speaker 5: I would love to try that out and see if

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Speaker 5: they actually don't get tangled.

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Speaker 4: But I would use it for sure and give it

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Speaker 4: a shot.

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Speaker 2: Even if not tangling.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 2: Is that not like a convenient way just to carry

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Speaker 2: them three hundred yards to the water hole?

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Speaker 4: Oh? For sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot better than putting the actual

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Speaker 5: string on your shoulder and then the string or the

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Speaker 5: decoy lines are digging into your shoulder.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I would love to try it sometime.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Randa, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: What was the second gentleman's name?

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Speaker 2: We have Lane who had the custom decoy carrier, and

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Speaker 2: we had James who had the hearing protection hoodie strings.

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Speaker 3: I think Lane's tip was maybe more. I liked james delivery,

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Speaker 3: and I also would love to just bump into someone

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Speaker 3: at a gas station who's got stuck on Like I love.

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Speaker 3: My heart wants to go with that, but I think

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Speaker 3: ultimately my head tells me that it's the it's the

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Speaker 3: PVC pipe plus anything that you can do with PVC

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Speaker 3: pipe for a non traditional use. I'm all in rod tubes, potato.

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Speaker 2: Cannons, both very hot tips. I liked that James is

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Speaker 2: one with the hearing protection on hoodie strings. That's like

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Speaker 2: a ten second project. Yeah, and Lanes, you're probably spending

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Speaker 2: like a Saturday morning rigging that thing up, but it's

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Speaker 2: not very cheap or excuse me, it's not very expensive

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Speaker 2: or very difficult to make that custom decoy carrier. You

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Speaker 2: can see the video of what he's doing there on

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Speaker 2: the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel. We're gonna give the

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Speaker 2: chat like twenty more seconds. I think I would also

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Speaker 2: vote though with Lane, with any custom decoy care.

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Speaker 3: It's never occurred to me to put hoodie strings ear

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Speaker 3: plugs on my hoodie strings me either. It's just fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I love this so much.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a good.

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Speaker 4: If you're not wearing a hoodie with strings though, because.

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Speaker 3: They I'm wearing now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go death.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people like taking those strings off because

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Speaker 5: they're scared they're going to get caught into something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah if you're yeah, I mean it depends if it's

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Speaker 3: like you wear the same hoodie all the time, you know.

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Speaker 4: Or if you have like a hunting hoodie or working hoodie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, work yeah. I mean that's great for

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Speaker 3: the job site.

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Speaker 2: Too, real real blue collar hot tip. All right, Phil,

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Speaker 2: what's the chat? I have to say?

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Speaker 7: All right, Well, with about fifty nine fifty eight percent

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Speaker 7: of the vote, the winner is laying with the decoy.

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Speaker 2: All right, we gratulations you earned that one. We're a

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Speaker 2: podcast producer is going to reach out to you about

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Speaker 2: how to get that gift card. And again, if you

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Speaker 2: want to submit a hot tip, send it to radio

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Speaker 2: the medieater dot com with the subject line hot tip off.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil,

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Speaker 2: what's the chat A have to say?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just full transparency here. There was some sort of

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Speaker 7: like I don't know if it was like a static

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Speaker 7: short that just reset something with our computer or so.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't the internet. I think I might have just

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Speaker 7: you know, rubbed my shoes on the carpet a little

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Speaker 7: too hard.

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Speaker 6: Or something like that.

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Speaker 7: But in when that happened, it completely borked up the

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Speaker 7: resolution of the TV I use in the TV that

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Speaker 7: the guys see in the studio, so it's a little

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Speaker 7: bit harder to read the comments. I can only read

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Speaker 7: about two at a time, so I've been scrolling through there.

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Speaker 7: But we've got we've got a few that I can

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Speaker 7: pull from. So Christopher asks Spencer who's sent in a

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Speaker 7: gas can? While he's asking the live chat who sent

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Speaker 7: in a gas can? For Spencer? If mine doesn't at

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Speaker 7: least get an honorable mention, I'll be disappointed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Two episodes ago, I asked for our listeners to send

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Speaker 2: in their recommendation for the world's best gas can because

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Speaker 2: I have yet to be satisfied with one in the

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Speaker 2: last decade. You guys really provided. I think I have

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Speaker 2: one hundred fifty emails as of this morning to go through.

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Speaker 2: I'm still going through them.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There are two brands though that seemed to be ahead

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Speaker 2: of everyone else. On a future episode, we'll go through

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Speaker 2: them and tell you what the Meat Eater listeners recommended.

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Speaker 2: In Love Cool, this.

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Speaker 7: Is another question for Spencer from Spencer crew held the

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Speaker 7: Milwaukee store opening.

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Speaker 6: Go Spencer, I think you were the you. Mark and

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Speaker 6: Chester were there.

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Speaker 2: And Chester it was awesome. We had I think a

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Speaker 2: thousand people show up was the number that they guessed.

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Speaker 2: The store looks awesome. When when you're inside the Milwaukee store,

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Speaker 2: you feel it, You're like I am in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: just like I think if you're in the Bozeman store. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's it's very clear to you that you are in

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Speaker 2: a Mediator store in Bozeman. So the people we talked

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Speaker 2: to were awesome. I love Milwaukee, I love Wisconsin. A

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Speaker 2: lot of good people. There was a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: thanks to everyone who showed up there and the Madison

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Speaker 2: tailgate too were the next day.

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Speaker 4: Any cheese curds we did have cheese curds.

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Speaker 2: Ye ascot we had there. We had multiple I think

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Speaker 2: we had three people bring us a case of spotted cow.

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Speaker 2: So Wisconsin really glided. They brought their best.

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Speaker 7: On the heels of the taxidermy conversation, Isaac's asking if

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Speaker 7: if the crew has any unique or interesting piece tax

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Speaker 7: army that you haven't talked about on the show before.

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Speaker 2: Maxwell anything.

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Speaker 4: My first ever duck mounts looked like crap Oka.

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Speaker 5: And the next I asked for like a dead mount

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Speaker 5: hanging by the feet, and I got them back and

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Speaker 5: they were hanging by the neck and the neck was

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Speaker 5: about like a foot long on each duck. And so

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Speaker 5: it's like throughout college is just like a running joke.

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Speaker 5: It was like, oh, yeah, do you want to see

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Speaker 5: my shitty ducks? You know, that's the only interesting and okay,

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Speaker 5: really the only tax dream I've ever had done. Everything

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Speaker 5: else has just been your euromounts and beetle cleaning.

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Speaker 4: So that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Randal anything exciting.

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Speaker 3: The first bear I shot, I got a shoulder mount,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like that's a little uncommon to do

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Speaker 3: a shoulder mounted black bear. It's not like weird or anything.

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Speaker 3: But it's also funny because it's not a very big bear.

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Speaker 3: That's in Chili's office one along with my old couch,

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Speaker 3: and then at your office. Actually the most recent, the

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Speaker 3: most recent bear I killed when I was up in

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Speaker 3: Alaska with Steve. I got that into a half. They

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Speaker 3: call it a wall pedestal, which is essentially like a

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Speaker 3: shoulder mount, but it has more of the chest coming

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Speaker 3: out of the wall. And very happy with that, but

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Speaker 3: I do sometimes chuckle to myself that my only two

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Speaker 3: and I have a bear rug. But my only like

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Speaker 3: tax neermy other than some fish when I was little.

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Speaker 4: Or bears bears.

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Speaker 2: I think the most unique taxidermy in my house is

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Speaker 2: probably Clay Nucombe gave me a couple of raccoon baculums,

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Speaker 2: which is a penis bone, and so we have those

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Speaker 2: on a nice frame on the wall.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then I haven't had this one in about a decade,

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Speaker 2: but when I was in college, my buddies and I

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Speaker 2: would heavily sue the Keystillope, which was the hunting season

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Speaker 2: promotion that Keystone Light did with the gold can or

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Speaker 2: exactly Bush Bush Light did one where I think it

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Speaker 2: was a gold can, and Keystone did one where.

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Speaker 4: It was either gold or orange orange. I think orange.

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Speaker 2: I think it was the orange can Hunter's orange for it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then if you were to get one, you have

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Speaker 2: like a box cutout where you put it on the

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Speaker 2: wall and there's like a keystallope and I think there

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Speaker 2: was a Keysta fish or a Keysta trout something like that.

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Speaker 2: So when we had we had a couple of orange cans.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Those used to be up in my college apartment, but

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Speaker 2: now that I'm an adult, just don't have.

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Speaker 4: And no more keys.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to bring it back though. I put that

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Speaker 2: in Chili's.

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Speaker 3: Office and liquor bottle. Home decor has really gone away

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Speaker 3: for me in recent years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like once you turned like thirty four. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: moving on, we have the Meat Eater Movie Club this week.

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Speaker 2: We're reviewing the twenty ten documentary Elephant in the living Room.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Phil. Although that sound effect rings hollow in

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Speaker 3: my ears since our Bennegan's review, and I've lost all

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Speaker 3: confidence in this bit.

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Speaker 2: Peaked then Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. I'm basically a heavily concussed Brett Favre playing

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Speaker 3: for the Vikings at this point year two. It's got

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Speaker 3: a straightforward review, but I think there's the film is

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Speaker 3: right for discussion. We're reviewing The Elephant in the living Room,

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Speaker 3: so I'll begin my commentary. The order winning twenty ten

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Speaker 3: documentary The Elephant in the living Room plums a fundamental

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Speaker 3: mystery of the human condition, the capacity of people to

658
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Speaker 3: do things that are completely inexplicable to other people, and

659
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: how those inexplicable things somehow make perfect sense to the

660
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: people doing them. It's the type of film that forces

661
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: you to con in front the unsettling reality that the

662
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: mind is capable of justifying nearly anything, and that rationality

663
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: itself might be nothing more than a shared hallucination we've

664
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: all agreed to participate in. Your neighbors might well be

665
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: living entirely different lives that follow logic so alien it

666
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: might as well be from another planet. The film follows

667
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 3: Tim Harrison, a public safety officer who specializes in exotic

668
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: animal emergencies, as he responds to calls that sound like

669
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: a five year old wildlife enthusiast filled out some mad libs,

670
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: escaped lions and Walmart parking lots, pythons trapped in suburban basements,

671
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: bears held captive and backyard sheds, and cougar this is

672
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 3: my favorite, and cougar's prowling next to pretzel bakries, which

673
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: actually is a thing from the film. Mister Harrison serves,

674
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: or Officer Harrison, I should say, serves as our guide

675
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 3: through this parallel universe where owning a four hundred pound

676
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: tiger is somehow not only worth considering, it's worth fighting for.

677
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 3: He has the thousand yard stare of a man who's

678
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: seen too many things that shouldn't exist but absolutely do.

679
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: But the real enig star of the show is the

680
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: late Terry Brumfield, a truck driver who keeps a pen

681
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: full of African lions in his mud spattered Ohio backyard.

682
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: Watching Brumfield interact with these animals, you're struck by how

683
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: completely normal this seems to him. He feeds them, he

684
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: talks to them, He worries about their health, exactly like

685
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: any pet owner, except his pets could horribly maim him

686
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: in a moment. The cognitive dissonance is staggering. Terry has

687
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: decided that sharing his property with apex predators from another

688
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: continent is a rational choice, and scoffs at those who

689
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: have called him quote brain dead, selfish, and immature. The

690
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: documentary doesn't try to bridge this gap for the viewer.

691
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: It lets you chew on the electrifying discomfort of knowing

692
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: that human beings can arrive at completely opposite conclusions about

693
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: what constitutes reasonable behavior. This extends to everyone in the film.

694
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: There's the woman who sees some measure of irony in

695
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: escaping the tutalitarian regime behind the Iron Curtain, only to

696
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: find that keeping tigers in perupt Nevada is unnerving to

697
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: her names. There's the dealers who trade in poisonous snakes

698
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: that they coil up inside of empty potato salad containers.

699
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: Director Michael Weber wisely avoids trying to explain these people

700
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: to us. Instead, he lets their own words reveal the

701
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: vast gulf between how they see themselves and how the

702
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: rest of us see them. There's something anthropological about the film,

703
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: like studying a culture whose basic assumptions about risk, responsibility

704
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: and sanity are so different from mainstream society that meaningful

705
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 3: communication between the two becomes nearly impossible. So that's my take.

706
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: But I have a whole list of things before we

707
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: get into the discussion. I tried to check up on

708
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: some of the folks from this well. Then Terry, the

709
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: man who kept the lions, actually died died the same

710
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: year as the film's release.

711
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it kind of felt like it was trending

712
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: that direction.

713
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy, the giant guy that U the wrestler,

714
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: he looks like gold birds. Yeah, he also passed away.

715
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: I looked up the Animal Finder's Guide the classify you.

716
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: It was like the Auto Trader, but for exotic pets.

717
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: That stopped publishing in twenty eighteen. I went to the website. IP.

718
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: I went to the web because I when I saw

719
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: that on the screen, I wrote down I should get

720
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: animal Finder. I wrote Animal Finder Guide? Can we get it?

721
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: And Sydney turned to me and said, I'm surprised you

722
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: don't have that. There are some articles still in the website,

723
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: including advice on what to do if your large animal escapes.

724
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: He says, my standing rule is if an animal of

725
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: danger leaves my compound, there shall be no effort to capture,

726
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: but only to destroy. Wow, because no single animal is

727
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: worth the harm it does to all the other exotic pets.

728
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: When someone is mulled, Oh okay, I thought that was insightful.

729
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: I feel like that's usually not the take these people have. Yeah, well,

730
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: it's like animal above human. I think that this person

731
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: has a larger review because they're part of the trade.

732
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: And then finally I tried to look up the folks

733
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: from perump Nevada who were sort of political, and so

734
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't remember their names, and I didn't want to

735
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: go back and watch the film, so I googled exotic

736
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: Pets perump Nevada, big Cats, and I found a guy

737
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: who very recently claimed his seven tigers were emotional support

738
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: animals so that the government couldn't take them away. But

739
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: the government still took them away, and I thought, surely

740
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: that's got to be the same people that were in

741
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: this film. And no, Scott Shoemaker and Susannah Cookole are

742
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: not the people involved in this. That guy was named

743
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: like like cal something. I don't know, So I don't know.

744
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: I guess I've got a lot of thoughts here. The

745
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: final thought was the I mean, this movie is actually

746
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: darker and more disturbing than I imagine than I remembered.

747
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: You had declared this is one of your favorite documentaries.

748
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: I watched it a bunch. This probably is the documentary

749
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: of most I've watched, third, mostly behind Grisly Man and

750
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. But I hadn't

751
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: watched in a very long time, and it's darker than

752
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: I remember, and so I have some dark The worst

753
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: part of the movie is seeing the lion die. Uh.

754
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 3: And then second most is when they have they take

755
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: the starving elephant away from that woman. And the elephant's

756
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: name is Twiggy. And I wrote down in my notes.

757
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: If I were starving an elephant to death in my backyard,

758
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't name it twiggy. I wouldn't like to make

759
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: a joke about it. So I don't know what are

760
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: your thoughts, guys, your thoughts.

761
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Well, paw Rump, Nevada. The only thing I have any

762
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: awareness about of that place is that is where lamar

763
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: odom overdosed on. That's right at a what do they

764
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: call it, like a bunny house? Just a brothel.

765
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like forty or fifty miles outside

766
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: of Vegas, I believe.

767
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they they really like their brothel and they're

768
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: big tigers and lions.

769
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: Yep.

770
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: My takeaway watching this was why is this Ohio's culture?

771
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: As are token?

772
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: It's just Ohio mainly.

773
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Our token Ohio in Randall? Why are your people like this?

774
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: I see? This is one of those questions. This is

775
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: one of those questions you have about any work of art.

776
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: Is it just Ohio? Or is the film just in Ohio? Sure?

777
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: Because if you watch Chimp Crazy, I don't think any

778
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: of those chimps are in Ohio.

779
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: Is that Connecticut?

780
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: No, that was miss There's Yeah, it's all over the country. Oregon, Connecticut.

781
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: I think this is also one of those things where

782
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: it's like this doesn't exist until you look for it. Sure,

783
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: and then when you're this officer, you see it everywhere.

784
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: I love the officer.

785
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 4: He's great, he's got a great heart.

786
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it reminds me of like the old Dare

787
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: like anti drug campaigns. But if if marijuana was like

788
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: hm as bad as it was in the nineties. Yeah,

789
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: because he's like he's like sort of he's like, I,

790
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: you know, I have this connection to it, but let

791
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: me tell you it's bad. Kids. You don't want to

792
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: get into you don't want to get into tigers, you

793
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: don't want to get into lines. And they're sort of

794
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: walking around on the neighborhood on this crusade like and

795
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: going and shot, like showing the cameras how bad this is.

796
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. The casting for this documentary was very strong, Like

797
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: the cop looked like a cop. The exotic pet owners

798
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: looked like exotic pet owners, the exotic pet rescue people

799
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: looked like exotic pet rescue people. They nailed it for

800
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: bringing us those characters. Max.

801
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: Did you notice how Tim was wearing a live strong bracelet?

802
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: I did not know.

803
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of massioac and real tree in this.

804
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 5: But then also like at one point, like Tim had

805
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: this hat it said ambulance on it, but it was

806
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 5: like instead of spelled left right, it was spelled right

807
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: the left, which I thought it was extremely awkward, and

808
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 5: like I just thought it was like, oh, just like

809
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 5: looking into a mirror. But then I read his shirt

810
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: and his shirt was reading perfectly fine.

811
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: Well, you can't see his shirt if you're looking in

812
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: your ear of your mirror, but you may be able

813
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: to see his hat.

814
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: No, it was just like just I'll find it. I'll

815
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: send a picture to you guys later. But it was

816
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 5: just like it wasn't even looking in a mirror.

817
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: Weird.

818
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: There were also a weird government agency of first responders

819
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: where it's like the police officers were the firemen and

820
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: the firemen were the EMTs. I didn't know that it's

821
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: all across.

822
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: Is that just because it was a small community.

823
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: Well, he said it was very rare. He did say

824
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: it was very rare. I enjoyed my One of my

825
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: favorite moments in the film is when he's walking through

826
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: the woods. Max pointed out that it seems like it's

827
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of a set up cheesy, but he's

828
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: walking through the woods and he describes it as a

829
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: little slice of heaven, and he's like very genuine about it. Yeah,

830
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: And it's just sort of like dark. There's nothing that's like,

831
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: it's Ohio, it doesn't see yeah, like there's nothing about

832
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: it on the spectacle. It's like this gray, gray woods.

833
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: But you could tell that guy was like, this is

834
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: a piece of heaven. Yeah, And I love that.

835
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: I think he just needed some quiet in his life.

836
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: That was something he was missing. I had when I

837
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: used to think about SeaWorld. I was like, it's probably bad,

838
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: but I imagine there's like a lot of nuance with

839
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: keeping whales and dolphins in a place like that. And

840
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: then I went whale watching for the first time and

841
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: saw how like a pod of Orica is very quickly

842
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: could move miles like you would see them here. They

843
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: disappear for a minute or two, and then all of

844
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: a sudden they are miles away, and I was like, oh,

845
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: never mind, it's actually not nuanced. It's just pretty evil

846
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: to have those things in captivity like that. There's no

847
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: there's no reason, probably almost no reason where that should

848
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: be okay, where you can have whales and dolphins in

849
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: a place like SeaWorld. I think I had a similar

850
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: experience with this documentary that I was probably beforehand, Like

851
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: I imagine there's some real nuance and owning a lion

852
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: if you live in Texas is cool. You know, it's

853
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: just not for me. But then when they go to

854
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: the Exotic Pet show and you see all those critters

855
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: just yeah, like a nine foot snake in a rubber

856
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: or a rubber maid container with an alligator in it.

857
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: It was awful to watch.

858
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: I wrote down this the market like there's a there's

859
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: sort of a like an Mission Impossible or James Bond.

860
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: You always see like the scene where there's an Arms

861
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: Bizarre and there's like arms traders selling weapons to terrorists. Yeah,

862
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 3: and that was like, that was the vibe I got

863
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: from that scene, Yes, except instead of selling weapons to

864
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: like fanatical murders. It's just that but for people wearing

865
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: tank tops going oh that's cool, how much? Yeah? I

866
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: like the guy that was buying the alligator for his

867
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: kid or something.

868
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh the kid was so pumped up.

869
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kid was so pumped up, and I'm just like,

870
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: it's not gonna end well.

871
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 5: Like I in twenty twenty five right now, how prevalent

872
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 5: do you think the reptile trade is or like exotic animals?

873
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: Do you think it's like still a thing.

874
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: I imagine in parts of the country it very much is.

875
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: Well, there's been a there's been a big crackdown in

876
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: recent years. I think I think, uh, you know, there's

877
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: obviously like an organized movement to bring an end to

878
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: this stuff, and tiger Kings certainly brought popular attention to it.

879
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

880
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: There was also the infamous Zanesville massacre where the guy

881
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: another Ohio and released all of his animals and they

882
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: ended up shooting.

883
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: Did he kill himself too?

884
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he killed himself and they ended up shooting like

885
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: all but four There's lions, tigers, bears, wolves, and that

886
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: that also brought like national attention to it, where you

887
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: know they have like you see a CNN broadcast and

888
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: they're talking to some expert and they're like, well, actually

889
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: there's no rules about this, so I don't know what

890
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: do we do? Yeah, So I bet I bet this

891
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: scene has changed somewhat since this, but I think it's

892
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 3: I think it's still thriving in certain place.

893
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: A tough watch you see some like very beautiful animals

894
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: who are like tortured situation.

895
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in the movie.

896
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: But the part about it is like the they talk

897
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: to someone who loves having animals, and then they talked

898
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: to like that old guy who's just sitting in the cherries,

899
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: and he's just like, I don't understand these people. Yeah,

900
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: Like there's just such a disconnect. There's something that's just

901
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: very compelling to me about that. One final note here.

902
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time we have, but I

903
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: paused when they showed the Animal Finder Guide when he's

904
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: flipping through it. I paused it and I looked at

905
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 3: what was on the page, and there was an ad

906
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 3: that said where it says need one hundred shooter bucks

907
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty inches to two hundred and fifty

908
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: inches call Jerry.

909
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: It's like, did you call him? No?

910
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: But it's like a big half page classified ad in there,

911
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: just like I need a hundred for the fall? Can

912
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: you get can you get some shoe bugs for me?

913
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: Fun?

914
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: So Yeah, where I grew up, there was a free

915
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: newspaper you'd find in any gas station that was called

916
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: The Green Sheets, and it's basically agriculture advertisements where people

917
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: saying I'm in need of twenty hay bales, or I

918
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: have a nineteen eighty six Chevy pickup for sale. I

919
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: would like us to bring something like that to meet

920
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: eat a radio called the Meat Sheets where we do

921
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: advertising for people. Someone in Mississippi is looking for a

922
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: buddy to go fishing with. Someone in Iowa would like

923
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: a twenty acre deer lease near Des Moines.

924
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can, if we can drop an ironclad

925
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: liability waiver for this, I think it's a great idea.

926
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just like doing Tinder for some folks who

927
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 2: need some outdoor projects or hunting buddy or whatever. Yeah,

928
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: I like it really quick.

929
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 6: Max.

930
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 7: People are talking about it in the chat, but they

931
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 7: print ambulance backwards on the front of ambulances.

932
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 6: Oh really, so that when you look at that, when

933
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 6: you look at mirror. Every day show show was up,

934
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 6: you know written.

935
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, chat very good. Our last segment today is

936
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty five Sasquatch Calling contest. But before

937
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: we do that interview, I want you to hear what

938
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: it sounds like to be there. Here is a thirty

939
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: second clip of the twenty eighteen competition. The final Call

940
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: You Hear is from the winner play the clip, Phil.

941
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: I thought Randall was gonna make noises. Wow, she's got

942
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: some lungs on it.

943
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: She did.

944
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: She was the winner. Good, all right, Joe us On

945
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: the line now is Cheryl Pattorti and Paul Bartholomew from

946
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Festival and Calling Contest in Whitehall, New York.

947
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: Cheryl and Paul, welcome to the show.

948
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: Hi, thanks for having us.

949
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. All right, we're going to talk

950
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: to Cheryl first. She is the organizer of the Sasquatch Festival. Cheryl,

951
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: I have to get this question out of the way.

952
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Do you believe in Bigfoot?

953
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 11: Yes?

954
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: You do? Okay? Have you ever seen or heard a bigfoot?

955
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: I have not, okay, So why then do you believe

956
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: in bigfoot?

957
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Well, we have all our researchers who bring us all

958
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: this information. There's castings of footprints, so I think there's

959
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: one out there somewhere, at least one, if not.

960
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: A lot more excellent. I would be disappointed if the

961
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: person organizing this festival did not believe in bigfoot. So

962
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. All right, Cheryl, what is

963
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Festival.

964
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: Well, it's just a big event in our community here

965
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: in Wyhall, New York. There has been sightings of sash

966
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: squatch a few years back in our community, so people

967
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: got together and decided this would be a great fun

968
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: festival to bring people into our community. So here we

969
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: are nine years later, bigger. It grows bigger every single year.

970
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: It's got attention of people all over the country. So

971
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: White Halts a very small community with only about three

972
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: thousand people, and we bring in at least three thousand

973
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: to four thousand people just for this festival.

974
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: Amazing. And what is there for people to do there?

975
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: Well, we have one hundred and fifty vendors that come

976
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: in all down, up and down the streets. We have

977
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: lecturers and researchers who start all day long. There's eight

978
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: of them and they come in and bring us all

979
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: kinds of information so people can listen to all their

980
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: electures all day.

981
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 11: We have live.

982
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: Entertainment, we have a beer garden, we have all kinds

983
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: of fun things, children's areas, so it's.

984
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 9: A fun day.

985
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: And the festival is best known for its Sasquatch calling contest.

986
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: It takes place this Saturday, at five pm, Cheryl, how

987
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: many competitors do you expect to have this year?

988
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: Well, generally in the past we have two divisions, as

989
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: children's division and an adult division, So up till age

990
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: fourteen we probably get about twenty five or thirty kids

991
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: that do it, but the adult we could have sixty

992
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: to eighty or maybe one hundred this year.

993
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: Callers great, and what are they competing for?

994
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: Just to have the title I'm the winner of the

995
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: Sashquatch calling contest.

996
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that is very meaningful. I would say, who are

997
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: the judges of the competition?

998
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: We bring some people in from out of town, people

999
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: who want to have fun, people who want to be involved.

1000
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: So we have some business, a couple of business people.

1001
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: We have a high school guidance counselor, we have the

1002
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: chairman of the tourism division for our county. We have

1003
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: a high school student. So we get a little variety

1004
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: of everybody, and they're all very supportive of the festival.

1005
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: Have some of those folks heard a bigfoot before? Do

1006
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: they know what they should be listening for.

1007
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. I don't

1008
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: think they've heard one. Okay, maybe they've gone online and

1009
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: heard some calls.

1010
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: There we go. Okay, Now I want to talk to Paul.

1011
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: Paul is a bigfoot researcher and the author of the

1012
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 2: book Bigfoot Encounters in New York and New England. Paul,

1013
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: do you believe in Bigfoot?

1014
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 13: Whatever this phenomenon is, it's real and it has been

1015
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 13: cited by reputable people, and so yes, I believe that

1016
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 13: whatever is being cited out there, there's something being cited,

1017
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 13: and it's not the normal culprits such as bears and

1018
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 13: things like that. This creature does different things. It crosses

1019
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 13: the road and three steps and that was witnessed by

1020
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 13: police officers outside of Whitehall back in nineteen eighty two.

1021
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 13: There was a major incident involving various police agencies back

1022
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 13: in nineteen seventy six out on a bear road. So

1023
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 13: we've got a lot of respectable witnesses who have seen

1024
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 13: this creature or some of these creatures.

1025
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 2: How about you. Have you seen or heard a bigfoot?

1026
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: I have not.

1027
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but you've been studying bigfoot for over forty years

1028
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: and in that time you've interviewed dozens of Sasquatch eyewitnesses.

1029
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: When is the last time you investigated a sighting. Paul.

1030
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 11: Sightings are continual.

1031
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 13: They're basically broken down into three categories, which are eyewitness sightings,

1032
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 13: track fines, and vocal reports. And it's just a continual

1033
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 13: process of reports. And if you go to the BFRO site,

1034
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 13: which is Matt Moneymaker's Bigfoot Field Research Organization site, you

1035
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 13: can actually just track where you want to look to

1036
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 13: see if there have been sightings. You know what counties

1037
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 13: and what states.

1038
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 11: So it's a great grass roots thing to check out.

1039
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 13: In Washington County, which is where Whitehall is here in

1040
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 13: upstate New York, we have hundreds of sightings on record.

1041
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: Wow. So when is the last time you investigated a sighting?

1042
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: Though?

1043
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 11: Last year?

1044
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: Okay? Now a Bloomberg article stated that bigfoot sightings peaked

1045
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands and have been on a

1046
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: decline ever since.

1047
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 4: Have you witnessed the same trend?

1048
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 11: No, not at all.

1049
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 13: In fact, back when I started, of course, I would

1050
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 13: be considered ancient because I can remember typing a manuscript,

1051
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 13: you know, with carbon paper. But you know, now we

1052
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 13: have social media and instant messaging, and so the information

1053
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 13: flow is is really instant, And as far as I'm concerned,

1054
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 13: what I've seen is more reports than ever and reported faster,

1055
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 13: And so you have now a loose network of researchers

1056
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 13: connected through social media that constantly put their information forward.

1057
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 13: You know, back in my day we had to look

1058
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 13: for news clipping services and things.

1059
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 11: Like that and mail things out. Now everything's instant.

1060
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: Good. Good. I'm glad to hear that the bigfoot sightings

1061
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: are still strong. What percentage of the time do you

1062
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: walk away from an interview and come to the conclusion

1063
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 2: that that person saw a genuine bigfoot?

1064
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't know what the percentage would be, but

1065
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 13: there are certain things what I call confirmation moments, and

1066
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 13: that's like what Cliff Sparks was a family friend and

1067
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 13: the former owner of the Skiing.

1068
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 11: Valley country Club in Whitehall.

1069
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 13: He had a sighting back in May of seventy five

1070
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 13: out on the Greens And the only reason we got

1071
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 13: that sighting is because we were friends with Cliff Dan

1072
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 13: Gordon his name private for twenty years. He didn't want

1073
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 13: to be known as the Bigfoot cop, and then finally

1074
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 13: he came forward with his information publicly. So there's information

1075
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 13: like that that seems to confirm that these are our

1076
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 13: reputable witnesses who have everything to lose in nothing to gain.

1077
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 13: And there was a fascinating incident back in the early

1078
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 13: two thousands up in the Dresden area, which is just

1079
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 13: outside of Whitehall, and a couple of Hong Kong nationals

1080
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 13: were fishing and he saw this creature wading through the

1081
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 13: water at chest level.

1082
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 11: They described it as ape like and I said to him,

1083
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 11: I said, well, what did you do? And he says, well,

1084
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 11: we want fishing.

1085
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 13: In other words, in their cultural expectation, they weren't all

1086
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 13: that surprise.

1087
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 9: They just didn't know that we had.

1088
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 11: Primates in this area. So you get in a case

1089
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 11: like that and you're like, wow, that's very.

1090
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Speaker 2: Interesting, fascinating, amazing. What are some things that those credible

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Speaker 2: eyewitnesses have in common when it comes to the details

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Speaker 2: of their story?

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Speaker 11: Well, what's being cited here?

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Speaker 13: If I gave out a general description and you're talking

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Speaker 13: about seven to eight feet tall, it's fairly common, dark

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Speaker 13: colored usually, But you know, you can go back into

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Speaker 13: New York Times articles and there was a case in

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Speaker 13: the eighteen hundreds on the front page of New York

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Speaker 13: Times and Paul no Vermont where the creature was red

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Speaker 13: in color and only five feet tall, but you have

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Speaker 13: these various descriptions, making a sound like a squealing or

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Speaker 13: a high pitched scream, being a photo sensitive, light sensitive, photophobic, having.

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Speaker 11: A gait like a.

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Speaker 13: Man, but looking more like a gorilla, with long swinging

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Speaker 13: arms down at knee level. So it's I guess you'd

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Speaker 13: be your traditional Harry and the Henderson's type of creature

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Speaker 13: being cited in a lot of the cases. Occasionally, like

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Speaker 13: down in Kinderhook, New York, where Bruce Hellnbeck is an expert,

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Speaker 13: these creatures were seen in groups.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, now we know what to look for. Paul,

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Speaker 2: you literally wrote the book on bigfoot in New England,

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Speaker 2: so I want to ask you some question, and specifically

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Speaker 2: about sasquatch in that region. Does a New England bigfoot

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Speaker 2: differ from a bigfoot that lives in Tennessee or Montana

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Speaker 2: or California.

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Speaker 13: That's that's an excellent question because this is a global enigma.

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Speaker 11: Whatever is going on here is going on around the world.

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Speaker 13: If you go to the Nepal and the Himalayas, we

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Speaker 13: call these creatures of the Yeti or the Obombo snowman,

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Speaker 13: whether they're a cousin, but they're they're closely described the

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Speaker 13: same type of you know, unknown primate type creature. If

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Speaker 13: you go to Australia, where my brother was at for

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Speaker 13: many years, it's called the Yahwe or the Yahoo or

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Speaker 13: the Devil's devil.

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Speaker 11: If you go to the former.

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Speaker 13: You know, Soviet Union, it was the Chachuna or the Almeisti. So,

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Speaker 13: and then we talk about the States. You can go

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Speaker 13: down to Florida which racks up a lot of sightings

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Speaker 13: and it's called the skunkate down there, Momo in Missouri,

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Speaker 13: the falk Monster.

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Speaker 11: In Arkansas, and so forth.

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Speaker 13: Now the Honey Island swamp monster appears to be a

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Speaker 13: little more aggressive, and that may be because it's in

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Speaker 13: an environment which has you know, you know, alligators, reptiles

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Speaker 13: and things, and it just may be more aggressive in

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Speaker 13: that regards. So we do have these regional differences, but

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Speaker 13: they seem to be some sort of they seem to

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Speaker 13: be related in some way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think a New England bigfoot eat?

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Speaker 13: Doctor Cook who I studied with at Castle in State College.

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Speaker 13: He was a Pulitzer Prize nominee and an anthropologist, and

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Speaker 13: he wrote flood Tide of Empire through Yale University, and

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Speaker 13: he had studied this with myself, and he felt that

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Speaker 13: whatever these creatures were, they were probably opportunistic and omnivorous,

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Speaker 13: meaning you know, plants and animals.

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Speaker 11: They are often seen in swampy areas and things.

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Speaker 13: Like, you know, maybe a down deer that would be

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Speaker 13: edible as well, and down in Kenderhook it was actually

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Speaker 13: seen going through garbage, so or at least a group

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Speaker 13: of these creatures. So yeah, it's I think actor Cook's

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Speaker 13: observation of being opportunistic would be probably.

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Speaker 11: The best answer.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Randal is a bigfoot dangerous?

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Speaker 13: It looks like, well, I mean, any wild animal or

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Speaker 13: creature in the wild that you're not used to, you

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Speaker 13: should obviously use caution. But in my span of research,

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Speaker 13: I haven't come across very many negative encounters. One encounter

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Speaker 13: that I have heard fairly frequently is people say, well,

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Speaker 13: it started to chase me, and then they say, well,

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Speaker 13: it seemed like it could have caught me at any time,

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Speaker 13: and I'm not. I'm wondering if that might be some

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Speaker 13: sort of a bluffing display to you know, to get

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Speaker 13: rid of the danger near it.

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Speaker 2: If someone in New England wanted to see a bigfoot today,

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Speaker 2: where would you send them and what would you tell

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Speaker 2: them to do.

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Speaker 11: It's like hitting the lottery.

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Speaker 13: The most common sighting of a creature is driving around

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Speaker 13: at night and the creature crosses the road in front

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Speaker 13: of you.

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Speaker 11: That was the Dan Gordon, a police officers sighting.

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Speaker 13: He was with another officer at the time, and the

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Speaker 13: creature crossed the road in three steps.

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Speaker 11: They were stunned.

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Speaker 13: He gets out of the car, draws his weapon, tries

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Speaker 13: to follow, but it's long gone. And you know, Dan

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Speaker 13: took a polygraph regarding this incident, and there was no deception.

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Speaker 13: Of course we knew, we weren't. I went to school

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Speaker 13: with Dan, very honest person, brutally honest person, and so yeah,

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Speaker 13: you just have to be lucky. I mean, obviously there's

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Speaker 13: certain areas that they have had a lot of sightings,

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Speaker 13: like Kenderhook, chitten and Vermont, the Whitehall, New York region,

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Speaker 13: the Rutland Vermont region and so forth.

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Speaker 11: But there's different hot spots all over the place.

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Speaker 13: You know, if you look on a national level, you

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Speaker 13: go to like the ranch in Utah, which has been

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Speaker 13: studied by George Knatt, the investigative journalist, and that has

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Speaker 13: a plethora of paranormal phenomena occurring there routinely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, circling back to the Sasquatch calling competition, what do

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Speaker 2: we know about foot vocalizations?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can.

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Speaker 13: Actually look up online, look up Ron Moorehead and you

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Speaker 13: look up the Sierra Sounds from nineteen seventy two, and

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Speaker 13: he put them right out there, and these were sounds

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Speaker 13: he and Alan Berry and a group had gone up

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Speaker 13: into the Sierras and recorded these incredible vocal displays and

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Speaker 13: they've been studied by various institutes and scientists and they're

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Speaker 13: right open for everybody to listen to and to study.

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Speaker 13: And I think those are the real thing. I think

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Speaker 13: that's and it's a it's an assortment of sounds raging

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Speaker 13: from guttural noises to high pitched screaming to what sounds

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Speaker 13: like a wild you know, violent.

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Speaker 11: Type display to more more more like.

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Speaker 13: Grunting and things. So yeah, you can actually hear them

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Speaker 13: right online Ron Moorehead.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I just pulled it up and it's got

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Speaker 5: one point three million.

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Speaker 2: We will check that out. After the interview. You can

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Speaker 2: hear Paul speak about bigfoot in Whitehall's role in the

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Speaker 2: unexplained at the Sasquatch festival this Saturday at ten thirty am.

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Speaker 2: The Sasquatch calling competition starts at five. Cheryl and Paul,

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Speaker 2: good luck with the event and thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 11: Thank you for having us. You really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Fun guys, Randal, do you believe in Bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I like that there are people

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Speaker 3: who do.

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01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: Yes. I like.

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Speaker 3: I like to think, and I feel fairly certain that

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: we don't know everything about everything right. The size of

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01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 3: Bigfoot gives me pause.

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to hide all those skeletons, and I just

1222
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: feel like, get them on trail camera.

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Speaker 3: But I liked I liked it. I like that people believe.

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Speaker 7: We're getting a lot of requests in the chat for

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Speaker 7: a Randall bigfoot vocalization.

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01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 2: Oh, Max is gonna Max is gonna tell us if

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Speaker 2: he believes in bigfoot. Randall, you think about what vocalization

1228
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: would sound like. We'll get that in a minute.

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Speaker 3: I've got it.

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01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 4: A minute, ponder it. I personally don't.

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 5: My biggest thing is like you out in the woods

1232
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 5: and you run into dead critters all the time.

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 4: A dead deer, dead whatever, dead birds.

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01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 5: Why haven't we ran across a dead bigfoot yet?

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: I ain't never found a dead wolf. I believe in wolves.

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 6: Confirmed saying.

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: Sorry, supposed to go.

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 6: That is a cat giving birth.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: That was great. I do not believe in Bigfoot. I've

1241
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: never believed in Bigfoot. I think there's a zero percent

1242
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: chance he's real. But I love the folks that are

1243
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: dedicated to finding them, and I love the folks who

1244
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: are dead catered to, you know, making this a thing

1245
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: and keeping this a thing. If if I was at

1246
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: the Madison, Wisconsin Tailgate tour and two people came up

1247
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: to me at the same time, and one of them's like,

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01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: I have a story about the time I killed one

1249
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty inch white tail, and then the other

1250
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: guy said, I have a story about the time I

1251
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: saw Bigfoot. I would say, Bigfoot story, give me that

1252
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: one first. I'm very interested in that. That that is

1253
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: something that I will always be entertained by, despite not

1254
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: ever going to believe in it until, like, you know,

1255
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: the thing shows up as a carcass.

1256
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: And I think, like just being being outside, there's an

1257
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: element of it that's like mysterious. You never know what

1258
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna see, you never know what's going to happen,

1259
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 3: good or bad. And so the Bigfoot is like the

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: embodiment of that. It's the distillation of all of the

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Speaker 3: unknown of the outside. And I like for that reason,

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm glad that Bigfoot exists in our culture.

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: I like the culture aspect of it, and I like

1264
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: that it gets some people outdoors who seem to be

1265
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: like singularly interested in that thing that's that is their

1266
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: outdoor activity. Good for them, all right. That brings us

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01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: to the end of the show, Phil. Let's get some

1268
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: final feedback from the chat.

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01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 7: People who devour all of our content on the YouTube

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 7: probably know this, But Tim Allen asks, what does Max

1271
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 7: do it?

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Speaker 6: Meat eater? Max?

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 4: Well, Tim, I run around chasing people with cameras. Yes, so,

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Speaker 4: videographer photography.

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Speaker 3: And you do a little waterfowl hunting content.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do a little duck hunting on the side when

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 5: I'm not working. But yeah, this is only my second

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01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 5: time on radio live.

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Speaker 7: Right on on on that does anyone here? Is anyone

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Speaker 7: here an upland person?

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Speaker 6: Max?

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01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, sort of, I mean cal would be better.

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, we had we had a pheasant question. I'm just

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Speaker 7: not even gonna bring it. Yeah, then will I know?

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 7: Randall and Spencer are not my advice.

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Speaker 3: Is if you shoot a pheasant with Cal, you give

1287
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Speaker 3: it to Cal and you have Cal cook dinner for Okay,

1288
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 3: it works every time. Never been disappointed.

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Speaker 4: What is the pheasant question?

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 6: Oh, just just the meal, meal prep.

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01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure he respond he made a lovely pu a pheasant.

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Speaker 3: He made a pheasant fa last year with some birds

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Speaker 3: we shot, and it's delightful. Sounds great.

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Speaker 6: H let's see I think a Leland question. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Leland says I just learned Randall was a fellow Eagle scout,

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 7: makes me even more of a random all. How many

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01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 7: eagles are there in the meat eater crew?

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Speaker 2: Probably one.

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Speaker 4: I was a cub Scout scout. That's about it.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even make it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just rand.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Janis was in Loftfian Scouts, Scouts some

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01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: sort of fraternal organization.

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Speaker 7: Red Duval says, we should do a sasquatch calling at

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Speaker 7: on the live tour, so put that together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last live tour it was a burd owl calling contests.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The problem is Steve will be there so it will

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Speaker 2: not happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we actually had another person say to Steve, know

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Speaker 7: what you're talking to Bigfoot people on the podcast today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I also think he still does not know we played

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Speaker 7: d n deal on his podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait till he finds out a few months from now, but.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't know.

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Speaker 7: This is a question from Nate. If hunting and fishing

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Speaker 7: was banned tomorrow, what would keep you outside? I think

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 7: we know that the answer from Spencer.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the ground for rocks and mushrooms. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: that's what I would do. How about you boys?

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Speaker 4: Walking my dog?

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Speaker 3: Oh dogs is a good one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Dogs got me to the river yesterday. I like just

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Speaker 3: seeing animals and I like just being outside. Yeah, Like

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01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 3: it would be great this weekend to be outside at sunrise.

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Speaker 3: There you go, That's like, that's enough for me.

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Speaker 2: I spent some time on the coast this summer in

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Speaker 2: southern Oregon in northern California, and I started doing tide

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Speaker 2: pooling where I'd get up right at sunrise and go

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Speaker 2: out when the tides are very low. And I had

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Speaker 2: so much fun doing that. I had it all to myself,

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Speaker 2: and I also liked that it felt like I wasn't

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Speaker 2: consuming anything. I didn't like walk away from that with

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Speaker 2: a bag full of rocks or mushrooms or sheds or meat,

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Speaker 2: and I kind of realized that it was one of

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Speaker 2: the few things I do outside where I'm not consuming something,

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Speaker 2: but I'm still thrilled to do it. It was it

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: was so much fun. I wish I'd lived closer to

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: a place where I could go tide pooling. I fail

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Speaker 2: anything else.

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Speaker 7: Noah says, if someone were to harvest a bigfoot, how

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Speaker 7: would a typical state wildlife management agency treat that harvest?

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01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 7: An illegal harvest right? He also says he doesn't have

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Speaker 7: to say how hypothetical he's.

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Speaker 2: Some states I believe have outlawed it. Where our last

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Speaker 2: two guests came from Whitehall, New York, they have a

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 2: bigfoot sanctuary where they have made it illegal to kill

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Speaker 2: a bigfoot within city limits. So some states have outlawed

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: straight up killing a bigfoot Oklahoma, it's on one side

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Speaker 2: of it. Either they've outlauded or they maybe they offer

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Speaker 2: a take.

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Speaker 5: That's what I just someone I read someone's comment, yeah,

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 5: said that, so.

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Speaker 3: And I if you see a big foot in the

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Speaker 3: wild and you shoot it, you're killing a man in

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Speaker 3: a big foot suit.

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Speaker 2: You're probably going to So I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just it's not it's not a wildlife management issue. You're

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Speaker 3: talking about homicide.

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Speaker 7: If they have a legal bigfoot season and someone shoots

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 7: a man in a big foot suit, they.

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Speaker 6: Go to prison.

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Speaker 3: If I go out in my don't think they'd be

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Speaker 3: going to prison. If I go out in my black

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01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: bear costume. No one's going to say it's a good

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 3: idea during spring bear season. But if somebody takes a poke,

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Speaker 3: they're probably going to the match.

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Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, can we hear the

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01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: bigfoot call that our guest Paul was referencing. This is

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01:11:52,439 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: the official sound of the bigfoot a m.

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01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot of background noise, but there is a

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: lot of background noise that's just nature.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, now we know we know what to listen for.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us this week on me Eater Radio.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys here next week, same time and

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Speaker 2: place by now. Thanks gang Bie