Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories of things
Speaker 1: we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Steve, as always,
Speaker 1: joined by my lovely co host Joe and Devin. He
Speaker 1: was obviously talking about Devin, not Joe. Joe is the
Speaker 1: lovely one man, you know. I mean you're not bad looking.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't take it too personally. Yeah, you're just
Speaker 1: not as pretty as me. It's that really went off
Speaker 1: the rails fast. Ye okay, oak. Well, today, as always,
Speaker 1: we have another mystery to look into, and unfortunately, Joe,
Speaker 1: we are not going to solve this. I'm pretty positive
Speaker 1: right off the top. You do think so, I don't
Speaker 1: think so well, I don't know. I think we will. Well,
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about is we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the Randelshom Forrest incident. Randelshom Forrest incident. No, you're
Speaker 1: not saying right what I am not doing an accent?
Speaker 1: Yeah you have to you have to do your best
Speaker 1: English accent. My accents are herod, you know, they always
Speaker 1: they always end up sounding Irish or Asian and it's awesome. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it not doing it? Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: before we get into this episode, I do want to
Speaker 1: send out a thanks to Ali who sent this in.
Speaker 1: And he sent this in months ago and I kind
Speaker 1: of called DIBs on it. But this is one of
Speaker 1: those stories that I have to sit on for a
Speaker 1: long time because there's a lot of conflicting information. It's
Speaker 1: an unsolved mystery egg being a being a UFO story.
Speaker 1: It's not just conflicting information, but also a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. There's a lot of fantastic retelling,
Speaker 1: and so it was it took me a long time
Speaker 1: to kind of boil things down and and figure it out.
Speaker 1: But it's a great story, and I'm really glad I
Speaker 1: got sent in because I really enjoyed it once I
Speaker 1: got my head buried in and really started digging into it.
Speaker 1: In Ostrich got it. Wow, what okay? Well, our story
Speaker 1: takes place in England, as Devon briefly alluded to there
Speaker 1: in the beginning with her request of my terrible accents,
Speaker 1: and it's in an area called the Rendals from Forest,
Speaker 1: which is on the east coast of England. It's I
Speaker 1: believe about sixty miles south of London, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of in that region. Now, before we get into the story,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of details that are important to know,
Speaker 1: which is this happened in nine eight and since nineteen
Speaker 1: forty one, the United States Air Force has had an
Speaker 1: agreement with the British government UH and they maintain air
Speaker 1: bases in the UK. The number of air bases have fluctuated,
Speaker 1: but they've been going down for like thirty years. But
Speaker 1: at the time, the U. S. Air Force was using
Speaker 1: what they referred to as the Twin Bases, and those
Speaker 1: were bent Waters and Woodbridge and they're about two miles apart.
Speaker 1: On the night of December so Christmas, which is in
Speaker 1: a couple of days for everybody listening to this, if
Speaker 1: you listen to it first comes out, lights were reported
Speaker 1: in the area of Reynoldshom and other places in the country.
Speaker 1: There were streaking lights in the sky, well there were
Speaker 1: people didn't know exactly what they were at first, but
Speaker 1: they were streaking lights that morning the December at about
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. And if you do the
Speaker 1: research on this, this is gets a little confusing because
Speaker 1: you'll see the first incident reported as the t and
Speaker 1: and we'll get into why that is here shortly, but
Speaker 1: strange lights were reported by the security patrols at the
Speaker 1: east gate of the R. A. F. Woodbridge, which is
Speaker 1: the Royal Air Force Base. Evidently these lights were descending
Speaker 1: into Rentalsom Forest and at first the airman thought that
Speaker 1: it was a down airplane, but after they went to
Speaker 1: investigate it, they saw, and this is according to the
Speaker 1: official documents, a strange glowing object that was metallic in
Speaker 1: appearance with orange colored lights. And as they approached the object,
Speaker 1: it moved through the trees and the animals quote and
Speaker 1: this is a quote, the animals in the nearby farm
Speaker 1: went into a frenzy. So this is at three am.
Speaker 1: They go to check this out. At four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. The effect police are called in and there
Speaker 1: the local jurisdiction and they reported that the only light
Speaker 1: that they saw in the area was from the Orford
Speaker 1: Nest Lighthouse, which is five miles away. It's actually right
Speaker 1: on the coast obviously because the lighthouse and being a lighthouse,
Speaker 1: it's light is meant to be seen from far far away. Correct,
Speaker 1: very true in the morning, so this is in the
Speaker 1: daylight hours of the December. These airmen returned to the
Speaker 1: clearing where they had seen the lights, and they find
Speaker 1: these three small impressions that are in kind of a
Speaker 1: triangular pattern on the ground. They also reported that there
Speaker 1: were burn marks on the trees and that there were
Speaker 1: broken branches from those trees on the ground. What they
Speaker 1: did is they took plaster casts of these impressions that
Speaker 1: they found on Yeah it makes sense, Hey, this is
Speaker 1: a weird hole in the Let's just take a cast
Speaker 1: of the impressions. By the way, they're very shallow, very
Speaker 1: very shallow. As a matter of fact, at like ten
Speaker 1: thirty that morning, the local police came out again, uh,
Speaker 1: to see these supposed impressions in the ground, and they
Speaker 1: were like, uh, yeah, that's totally made by a digging animal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the rabbitis They thought it was like a rabbit or
Speaker 1: something was digging in the ground. So this happens, and
Speaker 1: then the next day, so now we move forward to
Speaker 1: the December and this goes between Thember. A group of
Speaker 1: servicemen and their commanding officer, whose name is Lieutenant Colonel
Speaker 1: Charles Halt. They returned to the site and they attempt
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on because evidently the lights
Speaker 1: had come back, and so they go out to check
Speaker 1: it out. These lights were slightly different than the guy
Speaker 1: saw the first night, because they were not only orange,
Speaker 1: there were white and blue lights as well. Did the
Speaker 1: guys who were out that first night go out the
Speaker 1: second night too? You know, I cannot find any description
Speaker 1: that says so the guys that went out on the
Speaker 1: first night they are, oh gosh, what's their names? It is, uh,
Speaker 1: Peniston and Burrows. I can't. I find all kinds of
Speaker 1: information about Peniston and Burrows on the first night. I
Speaker 1: find nothing about them the second night, So I can't say.
Speaker 1: But Halt went out with a whole troop of guys,
Speaker 1: so they may have been there, but I can't corroborate that. Okay,
Speaker 1: you would think the Peniston at least would have been there.
Speaker 1: You would think that, hey, I saw this before. You
Speaker 1: want me to go with you and see if it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, because of what he reports he saw,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about a little later, I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think you'd be interested in going on seeing it again.
Speaker 1: You would totally think so. At this point, they're out there,
Speaker 1: and this is where the confusion about the dates comes from.
Speaker 1: And this is all Lieutenant Colonel Halt's fault. He evidently
Speaker 1: didn't write his report for two weeks, so when he
Speaker 1: wrote the actual official report that he turned in, people
Speaker 1: speculate that he got the dates wrong. So he said
Speaker 1: that the first incident happened on the twenty seven and
Speaker 1: not the six, So he his dates. So that's why
Speaker 1: when you read it and I I see these dates
Speaker 1: mixed up all over the place. When I was researching this,
Speaker 1: some would say it started with seven. Others would say
Speaker 1: started on the twenty six, So it goes back and forth.
Speaker 1: What what Halt did those when he went out into
Speaker 1: the woods and he took all these guys with him,
Speaker 1: he also took a bunch of equipment with him. Part
Speaker 1: of that equipment was radiation detectors and big floodlights. I
Speaker 1: believe they're referred to as light halls, which I'm guessing
Speaker 1: from what I've seen. And this is the hard part.
Speaker 1: If any buddy goes out and looks us up on
Speaker 1: the internet, you're gonna find a bunch of videos. One
Speaker 1: of those videos is from Unsolved Mysteries, and they show
Speaker 1: these giant generator units, but they also make a lot
Speaker 1: of claims. So I don't know exactly what kind of
Speaker 1: lighting equipment they took, but they did take big lights
Speaker 1: supposedly with them to kind of illuminate the area to
Speaker 1: see where they were going. Their radiation detectors when they
Speaker 1: were out there picked up radiation in those depressions that
Speaker 1: they had spotted on the morning of the six and
Speaker 1: they also found radiation on the trees that were around
Speaker 1: those depressions. So what Halt did, and this is a
Speaker 1: little unprecedented but actually great for this case, is he
Speaker 1: took with him a cassette recorder that a micro cassette
Speaker 1: recorder that he was talking into the whole time, recording
Speaker 1: all of the conversations. So, Okay, I'm sorry, but he
Speaker 1: got the dates wrong when he wrote a report two
Speaker 1: weeks later. Evidently he didn't say the dates. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember him saying the dates. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: screwed it up. Maybe he just didn't listen to the tape.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he bungled this the date, but
Speaker 1: he did somehow he did. The great thing is that
Speaker 1: tape is out there and anybody can listen to it.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube, you can, and it's transcribed, so you
Speaker 1: can find that I've listened to some of it. It's
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of dudes walk into the woods talking,
Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of hard to follow. But he
Speaker 1: did that, which is really great. But was there anything
Speaker 1: significant that they say, like, well, they they they talk
Speaker 1: and they describe as they're seeing these lights, which is
Speaker 1: interesting and it actually comes up when we get into
Speaker 1: some of the descriptions and the theories as to what
Speaker 1: they might have been seeing. So it actually gives that
Speaker 1: one clue that we normally don't get when somebody says
Speaker 1: I saw this thing, this guy and it did this.
Speaker 1: You can actually hear them talking about it and saying,
Speaker 1: I see it now, I see it now, there it
Speaker 1: is there. It goes that kind of stuff. They did
Speaker 1: have a bunch of equipment problems when they were out there, though,
Speaker 1: the light als, those big generators on wheels, the floodlights,
Speaker 1: those things kept malfunctioning and I don't know how many
Speaker 1: they took, but they died. And they were having all
Speaker 1: kinds of issues with their radios. And we're getting tons
Speaker 1: of interference and static, well we get interference on work
Speaker 1: radios all the time, totally normal. A lot of it
Speaker 1: is probably, yeah. Yeah. Where Halt eventually takes his men
Speaker 1: leads him to the edge of the forest, on the
Speaker 1: eastern edge of the forest, and in the tape you
Speaker 1: can hear him talk about I can see it, and
Speaker 1: I see a farmhouse below us, and there's the flashing light.
Speaker 1: So he kind of gives some descriptions of where he's
Speaker 1: going as in the tapes. So they they're on the
Speaker 1: edge of the forest, so they eventually they eventually end
Speaker 1: up on the edge of the woods. Yes, so the
Speaker 1: light that he sees the is not in the forest,
Speaker 1: it's off in the distance or something. That's one of
Speaker 1: the problems with this story is you hear that the
Speaker 1: light is traveling around and through the trees just up ahead,
Speaker 1: and you hear the light is off in the far
Speaker 1: distance and moving around through the trees. So it's it's
Speaker 1: an issue, very big issue with this particular story, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what the correct answer is. Halt and
Speaker 1: his men follow the light, and they follow the light
Speaker 1: for about an hour, at which point they say that
Speaker 1: it shot up into the sky, it was flying around,
Speaker 1: it was sending lights to the ground, and then it
Speaker 1: took off and just zipped away. Why. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: and this was all on his official report. Well that's
Speaker 1: the great thing. They're they're all in the military, so
Speaker 1: they got to write reports. So they all reported this,
Speaker 1: And I haven't read his report. Where's Honestly, I listened
Speaker 1: to parts of his tape and I listened to some
Speaker 1: of his testimony that he's given over the years. He
Speaker 1: he says that it went up into the sky. He
Speaker 1: says they were following it. He lists off during the
Speaker 1: On the tape, you can hear him talking about the
Speaker 1: radiation and calling out the levels that they're picking up,
Speaker 1: which are really small levels of radiation, but he calls
Speaker 1: these things out. So he's calling out all this stuff
Speaker 1: as he's going along. But I don't know exactly where
Speaker 1: he ended up, and I don't know exactly what was
Speaker 1: in his report, but he's he supposes is supposed to
Speaker 1: have put all this in the reports. That's the bare
Speaker 1: bones version of the story. This as any potential UFO story.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit in the beginning,
Speaker 1: grows and changes end. Yeah, that's why I often stare
Speaker 1: away from UFO stories because they're just that's for the
Speaker 1: And I sat on this so long as I had
Speaker 1: to work through all these de variants of the story. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, they seemed to truly believe that
Speaker 1: they saw some kind of craft of unknown origin. And
Speaker 1: the Ministry of Defense, the m o D or the
Speaker 1: MOD as people refer to it, got involved because it
Speaker 1: was on British soil. Well, technically the jurisdiction of the U. S.
Speaker 1: Air Force ended at the gates of the base, so
Speaker 1: when they were out in the woods they couldn't take
Speaker 1: guns or anything like that because they were on UK soil.
Speaker 1: So when all this happened, technically they were on UK soil,
Speaker 1: not American soil. So they're the ones who have the
Speaker 1: file about the incident, and the MOD has a file
Speaker 1: on the incident, and people have pointed to the fact
Speaker 1: that the MOD wouldn't disclose what was in that file
Speaker 1: as proof that something happened and tell us what happened.
Speaker 1: It's got to be real because you recorded it. And
Speaker 1: of course, you know, the man just said whatever. There
Speaker 1: are so many reasons to like not make that stuff public.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, you know, it might just be
Speaker 1: spite or just for the fun of it. You know,
Speaker 1: if you got this file, you let them know there's
Speaker 1: a file. It's a fat little file, but we're not
Speaker 1: gonna let you see it and then go crazy, you know. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: The other part is that the MD works at the
Speaker 1: British business and government. Mostly. The British government works at
Speaker 1: a completely different pace than what we're used to hear
Speaker 1: in the States. Our our government, by no means moves fast.
Speaker 1: But the brids move much slower than we do, and
Speaker 1: so that exasperate. It's because they put a very old
Speaker 1: woman in charge of it. They were like, Okay, your majesty,
Speaker 1: it's time to sign a thing. Okay, after my tea,
Speaker 1: I will do the dogs by this very expensive glove. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's very cute. Okay, what was I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Oh I'll do it tomorrow. I'm so sorry. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry our British listeners, Yes, we we apologize. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I apologize to everybody. Yeah. Well, the thing about this
Speaker 1: what makes this story so interesting to me is twofold
Speaker 1: one is, like I said just before, is how it's
Speaker 1: evolved and grown, is all of these UFO based stories do.
Speaker 1: And then what's even crazier to me is how the
Speaker 1: stories of the individuals who were involved in it have
Speaker 1: just continued to grow and expand, and I want to
Speaker 1: go through two of those. I want to go through
Speaker 1: what I consider one of the most fantastical versions of
Speaker 1: this story that I found on the Net, and then
Speaker 1: I want to go through some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: is put out there by one of the men involved.
Speaker 1: So the first that we're gonna start with is the net. Yeah, aliens, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about the two guys that went out
Speaker 1: on the first night. It was Peniston and Burrows. Okay,
Speaker 1: according to this story, after they chased the object through
Speaker 1: the forest, they were able to get up close with
Speaker 1: it and they saw that it was a craft that
Speaker 1: was triangular in shape, so basically a little pyramids. It's
Speaker 1: that kind of shape. Yes, absolutely, They, according to this
Speaker 1: saw small bodied, large headed being suspended from the bottom
Speaker 1: of the craft by some kind of beam. So they
Speaker 1: were underneath the car working on it. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: working on the craft and they didn't care that these
Speaker 1: silly humans were standing around staring at them. They had
Speaker 1: a killer bot in spaceship that's gonna like vaporize something.
Speaker 1: More US airmen arrived and this is supposedly unofficially reported
Speaker 1: that the people who ventured close to this craft encountered
Speaker 1: strange and omalies. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Those included
Speaker 1: mind bending of a reality bending effects excuse me, time displacement,
Speaker 1: and surreal atmosphere conditions. I'm experiencing that right now. I
Speaker 1: don't even get that. That doesn't matter. Do you have
Speaker 1: to get it? This craft supposedly appeared from a type
Speaker 1: of low flying clouds low lying cloud? Did I say?
Speaker 1: Flying right? A low lying cloud? And these same reports
Speaker 1: say that senior men of the group were able to
Speaker 1: approach and communicate with the aliens, but only the senior
Speaker 1: members of the group. Well, aliens understand military hierarchy, of
Speaker 1: course they understand. Hierarchy of all kinds is stuck up.
Speaker 1: Aliens just stuck up. They don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: a mirror enlisted man. Only colonels and lieutenants or lieutenant
Speaker 1: colonels or you know, dogs, dogs, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: dogs might be in charge. You don't know, true cat
Speaker 1: might be in charge. You don't know. You know. That's
Speaker 1: a great thing. Can can we diverge for a second?
Speaker 1: An alien comes to this planet. I think we've had
Speaker 1: this conversation. How do they know who's in charge. They
Speaker 1: may be considering this planet just rife with bright, bright minds,
Speaker 1: and they happen to be furry and sleep a lot
Speaker 1: and have tails because they think the cats are the
Speaker 1: most intelligent species on this planet. We don't know observed us.
Speaker 1: They was noticed that the cats get you know, taken
Speaker 1: care of, you know, the people we serve them. Yes, apparently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they must be in charge, right exactly. This is why
Speaker 1: there's so many cat videos on the internet. It's the aliens. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: back to back to another version that I found, and
Speaker 1: it says that the object that Peniston and Burrows saw
Speaker 1: it was metallic in appearance and again triangular in shape.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a constant in this story. It
Speaker 1: is it is in this particular story. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: about two to three meters across at the base, and
Speaker 1: it illuminated the entire forest in white light and had
Speaker 1: a pulsing red light at the top and a bank
Speaker 1: or a series of blue lights on its bottom. A
Speaker 1: cop car. It was basically got it. And yet another
Speaker 1: version says that on the second night, so this is
Speaker 1: the night that Halt and his men went out, a
Speaker 1: unnamed female base security officer and her partner went out
Speaker 1: to investigate the mysterious lights and they were following it
Speaker 1: in their car when the craft shot a beam of
Speaker 1: light at their vehicle, which de deactivated it. Now it's
Speaker 1: it's alien. LoJack, totally shut that thing out. No, no,
Speaker 1: you're just no fun. Come on. Actually, the there are
Speaker 1: military has is working out a similar thing which is
Speaker 1: directed and e m people's and so maybe that's what
Speaker 1: it was. Of course, you know what I want to
Speaker 1: know is today get a towed back to the base
Speaker 1: like the mechanics accident mechanics look at it and determined
Speaker 1: that the electronics have been fried. I I found nothing
Speaker 1: else about that particular section, this last bit. I know
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe, but on the internet us. Now
Speaker 1: let's go to the version of the story that is
Speaker 1: told by Penistin. Peniston and Burrows have both over time
Speaker 1: expounded on their story, but I'm just going to focus
Speaker 1: on one of them, just to try and keep this
Speaker 1: as as close as possible, because otherwise this will sprawl
Speaker 1: and just get out of hand. Hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: sar a wiki for this Peniston guy page or now
Speaker 1: there's no actual wiki page for him, but he's just
Speaker 1: part of the Reynalshoan Forrest incident, WICKI in general, and
Speaker 1: all the other articles that you'll find out there on
Speaker 1: the net. Now again, just to back up, this is
Speaker 1: his His full title at the time was Sergeant Jim Peniston.
Speaker 1: And he said that it was a craft of unknown origin,
Speaker 1: which is fair, which is fair. And he also he
Speaker 1: says that in his report he wrote detailed notes about
Speaker 1: the features of the craft, and he touched its surface
Speaker 1: and it was warm, and that surface was covered in
Speaker 1: kind of hieroglyphics. And now, like like, let's get this straight.
Speaker 1: So I the way I read the story is he
Speaker 1: had a pad and a pencil and on the spot
Speaker 1: and they made detailed sketches and notes. And well, I
Speaker 1: mean that I'm not concerned about that. I mean, like
Speaker 1: a little like little pocket notebook and a pencil, like
Speaker 1: you would have that if you were out on duty.
Speaker 1: I have a notebook and a pencil in my purse
Speaker 1: right now. I mean I'm concerned about like the convenience
Speaker 1: of him having a note book. Yeah, I just he
Speaker 1: just happens to have a notepad with him. I mean
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. I know plenty of people
Speaker 1: who just carrying out paths with them, especially if you're
Speaker 1: in uniform and you've got lots of pockets. He's supposedly
Speaker 1: did these drawings and he turned them in with his report,
Speaker 1: which is in the possession of the US Air Force.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not the Brits. No, no, no, no, technically
Speaker 1: he's still you a serviceman. He still reports to the US,
Speaker 1: so they maintain all of it from him. Okay, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: according to Peniston's version of it, as he and John Burrows,
Speaker 1: that's the other guy went into the forest, and there's
Speaker 1: a third airmen listed in his version by the name
Speaker 1: of Edward Cabin sag. I hope that's how you say
Speaker 1: it could be. Well, you know, it's actually it's really
Speaker 1: easy because this guy disappears from the story from this
Speaker 1: point forward, like you never here mentioned of him. God
Speaker 1: farewell and unpronounce laugh. As they walk into the woods
Speaker 1: to investigate the light that they're seeing, they saw a
Speaker 1: nine foot by six ft triangular craft with swirling yellow
Speaker 1: and blue lights hovering they say, two feet off the
Speaker 1: ground approximately. Supposedly they could both feel static in the air.
Speaker 1: That's not weird, not weird at all. No, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: it's not the walk outside right now, I'm just saying there,
Speaker 1: but but, but their radios were malfunctioning his version of
Speaker 1: the events that might be related to it. And after
Speaker 1: they observed the craft for about ten minutes, they decided
Speaker 1: that it didn't pose any threat, and they decided to
Speaker 1: approach it. They got close to it, and this is
Speaker 1: where they could see those hieroglyphic symbols that were etched
Speaker 1: into the exterior of the ship. And then at some
Speaker 1: point not too long after that, the ship suddenly emitted
Speaker 1: an explosion of light that knocked all of them off
Speaker 1: their feet. I've seen that listed as anywhere from five
Speaker 1: to ten minutes to forty five minutes. The time that
Speaker 1: they were just chilling checking it out, copying notes about
Speaker 1: it could have been anywhere from five minutes to forty
Speaker 1: five Well, didn't they say earlier that like one of
Speaker 1: the side effects of being near the craft was like
Speaker 1: time distortion. So it's possible that like they didn't know
Speaker 1: that is true. It's also I mean, like it's also
Speaker 1: possible that, like I have a really horrible sense of time,
Speaker 1: Like if you were, like, hey, how long were you standing?
Speaker 1: I could not tell you. You You know, I could be like, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a half an hour probably, but it might
Speaker 1: have been. I don't know. I mean that they're yeah.
Speaker 1: Peniston also claims to have seen triangular landing here on
Speaker 1: the craft meets up with this thing where or when
Speaker 1: they went in the woods in the morning and they
Speaker 1: found those three that triangular shape set of impressions. But
Speaker 1: I guess, like the question I would have is like
Speaker 1: when did he report that? Like did he report that
Speaker 1: before the halt incident where they saw those things? And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, that's weird because I saw landing
Speaker 1: here that looked as like a day later, right, But
Speaker 1: when did this, like when was that reported? Was that reported?
Speaker 1: That was? It was in the initial reports. So because
Speaker 1: remember they went out at about three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: the local cops come out at about four, and then
Speaker 1: they go back out in the daylight morning hours, and
Speaker 1: then the cops come out at ten thirty again to
Speaker 1: check out this set. So this is all in that
Speaker 1: first morning. Is that's when he wrote this report? Correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: And this is from that report. It's not from him
Speaker 1: like theater like, it's from what he has written and
Speaker 1: said he saw because this is again, this is his story,
Speaker 1: and what we're hearing now is the most evol version
Speaker 1: of his Let's just remind that, right, because that you know,
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, okay, so like he's recalling ten
Speaker 1: years later what he quote unquote saw and then he
Speaker 1: knows that they found these prints, and it's very convenient
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, well, supposedly he was one of the
Speaker 1: ones who found that first set of impressions. Sure, and
Speaker 1: that's again fair but easy to just fold it one
Speaker 1: tiny detail from something later into your story conveniently. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I say that word in capitals. All of this
Speaker 1: extra information from Peniston he recalled while under regression hypnosis
Speaker 1: to makes sense, no, no reason to any that he
Speaker 1: claims that the craft that he encountered was actually you're ready,
Speaker 1: from our future and not extraterrestrial, So it was human
Speaker 1: time travelers and not space aliens were Listen. Here's the
Speaker 1: only thing I want to say is that, like, look
Speaker 1: at the most evolved technology that we have, just look
Speaker 1: at it. We don't make things in triangles, Okay, Like
Speaker 1: we don't, so like, well, no, we're never going to
Speaker 1: because triangles are dumb. We did back in the past
Speaker 1: the alien did back in the past. But I digress.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we make tubes because tubes are aerodynamic,
Speaker 1: that's what we do. We don't make triangles white. So
Speaker 1: there might be some reason for making a pyramid shape craft. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe a project is you know, if you
Speaker 1: make them out of it what was it special titanium
Speaker 1: or whatever it was it was supposedly that pyramid underground
Speaker 1: was made out of. Maybe they warp and bend the
Speaker 1: atmosphere and you could make it in whatever sheep I guess.
Speaker 1: Or maybe triangles are actually more conducive to ripping holes
Speaker 1: in the space time continuum. I guess that's fair through
Speaker 1: time that squares and tubes don't. That's why we're when
Speaker 1: we don't build triangles. You're right, okay, fine, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: they found out they were like, oh, actually triangles not
Speaker 1: great for space travel, great for time travel. Here's the
Speaker 1: problem that. Here's here's the big problem. Pattistan's reports from
Speaker 1: the real the investigation that's been done. None of his
Speaker 1: reports support any of this, of course, not sat He
Speaker 1: didn't say he'd physically contacted the craft and burrows and
Speaker 1: common sock or camon sag or however, you say that
Speaker 1: guy's name, that other airman that was with them. Their
Speaker 1: reports don't support this either. Now, I I will say
Speaker 1: that Burrows, like I said before, his story has involved
Speaker 1: evolved and it diverges from Peniston's. But they've both they've
Speaker 1: both grown over time. Okay, so it's been some there's
Speaker 1: been some flame wars between these guys about what they
Speaker 1: say they didn't and didn't see. I just like to
Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate, not Devil's advocate Peniston's advocate. I guess, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: your want to like appear really normal, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, especially if you're an airman and you've just
Speaker 1: seen some weird stuff, like your report isn't necessarily going
Speaker 1: to be like oh, and also they were time travelers,
Speaker 1: and also there were lots of weird higher glyphs, you
Speaker 1: are going to be like, I'm totally normal and totally
Speaker 1: cool to keep serving. Don't worry about me, this is
Speaker 1: cool in reality. Do I think that's what happened? No,
Speaker 1: I don't actually, but that's an extremely valid point. And
Speaker 1: you know why. Why is when you're a low ranking officer,
Speaker 1: you write a report that you know your superiors are
Speaker 1: going to read and not call you a nut job
Speaker 1: and not kick you out and not get you in trouble.
Speaker 1: Thank you. He is actually a known phenomenon in military structures.
Speaker 1: But how when he recalled all this and he was
Speaker 1: talking about the craft and how it was from the future,
Speaker 1: did he ever say how he knew it was from
Speaker 1: the future? No intuition, Yeah, there's there's nothing to explain
Speaker 1: how he knew that. We don't know. They weren't aliens.
Speaker 1: I think like that's part of it, right. It looked
Speaker 1: totally human, but it was a technology that you've never
Speaker 1: seen before, So therefore from the future. I guess so,
Speaker 1: But so isn't he also the one that said that
Speaker 1: there were people with tiny little bodies and huge heads. No, no,
Speaker 1: that is that is the fantastical internet version that I found,
Speaker 1: my favoritest one on the internet that had the great
Speaker 1: illustrations of this triangular craft shooting a little starlight beams
Speaker 1: out of it. It was also on a black background.
Speaker 1: There's illustrations there was on this one. It was it
Speaker 1: was a total photoshop job, but it wasn't like painted
Speaker 1: on velvet velvet. But but just to clarify this guy's
Speaker 1: version of story, he didn't actually see any creatures, any
Speaker 1: human beings from his reports, I can't tell he somehow
Speaker 1: knows that they're from the future, but it does I
Speaker 1: can't get a clear bead on if he did or
Speaker 1: did not see people. And this is the problem, is
Speaker 1: that his story has changed over time, and it's evolved,
Speaker 1: and details slip in and out of it. So it's
Speaker 1: really you know, and and I'm using him. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for kind of making him the whipping boy here,
Speaker 1: because he's just one of the ones whose story has changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, Burrows has evolved, Halt himself has gone on
Speaker 1: record and made a lot and made some claims about
Speaker 1: this whole incident. And so I mean, these things just
Speaker 1: keep going. But but we're not done with Penistin. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: his story keeps going. Okay, So within three weeks of
Speaker 1: their encounter with this craft, both Penistin and Burrows are
Speaker 1: reportative and experienced difficulty walking and this was from an
Speaker 1: inner ear and eye problems evidently. And Peniston's gums turned white.
Speaker 1: No big deal, My gums are white all the time,
Speaker 1: which which according to the article that I found this
Speaker 1: particular bit in is a sign of heavy radiation exposure.
Speaker 1: I will tell you right now. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much time I spent trying to verify if heavy radiation
Speaker 1: exposure would change your the color of your gums. I
Speaker 1: found stuff saying well, yeah, if you're getting chemo and radiation,
Speaker 1: your gums are going to be tender, but nothing said
Speaker 1: they would turn white. Yeah. I think that if you've
Speaker 1: gotten enough radiation at scums white, then he probably would
Speaker 1: be dead. I was just gonna say, there's like very
Speaker 1: limited research on intense radiation exposure because most of those
Speaker 1: people just kind of die. You die from heavy radiation
Speaker 1: poisoning typically. Okay, well, let's go to two days after
Speaker 1: Burrows and Peniston encounter this craft. They get whisked away
Speaker 1: to Langley by the c I A. That's not suspicious
Speaker 1: at all. They were interrogated for days and they were
Speaker 1: told to give written accounts of what they saw and experienced.
Speaker 1: They then were given back those written accounts, and those
Speaker 1: accounts were altered or sanitized, depending on how you want
Speaker 1: to want to describe it, and then they were told
Speaker 1: to memorize them and only tell those versions or else.
Speaker 1: I also have come across some stuff that says that
Speaker 1: while Peniston was at Langley he was given truth serum
Speaker 1: and I can't back that up. Why not? But it does.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Okay, let's just for a second, let's
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of the c I A
Speaker 1: grabs these guys from a base in the UK, brings
Speaker 1: him back home and interrogates him and pumps them full
Speaker 1: of drugs to try and find out what they know. Okay, boy,
Speaker 1: if you're full of those drugs and you're high z
Speaker 1: a kite for days on end and you're being super interrogated,
Speaker 1: your mind is gonna kind of go off kilter for
Speaker 1: a bit, which to me is kind of an explanation
Speaker 1: of why he's suddenly in regression therapy has these revelations.
Speaker 1: I saw these bright lights and there was these people.
Speaker 1: Well it was because there was some dude with a
Speaker 1: lamp shining in your face while you were on all
Speaker 1: you know, sodium penthe penththol. Although it did just occur
Speaker 1: to me that, um, the stealth bombers that they developed
Speaker 1: are what are those they? Yeah, they are triangular sort
Speaker 1: of kind of they're they're a big wing they're they're flat, yeah,
Speaker 1: horizontally or vertically for the most part. Right, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it just occurred to me. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's like one thing to be like, oh, well, crap.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, actually it was Langley testing some you know,
Speaker 1: super secret something they want usually but like if they
Speaker 1: needed to take it across the sea or whatever, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it was the Brits testing company. But
Speaker 1: also it's a good thing to remember that this is
Speaker 1: we're still in the Cold War. Things are still going
Speaker 1: on a lot of slanting. It would be nai Bell. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I know that the stuff technology was being developed back then,
Speaker 1: and it could have been prototypes. But even the B
Speaker 1: two bomber is pretty huge six to nine there, six
Speaker 1: to nine feet and then and the stealth fighter also
Speaker 1: is far bigger than that. Honestly, when I see these
Speaker 1: reports and I've listened to them, I have a couple
Speaker 1: of those little remote control quad copter drones and they're
Speaker 1: covered in l e ed s and those things go
Speaker 1: all over the place and they flash and they are
Speaker 1: super agile, and it makes me think of those when
Speaker 1: I hear the reports about how these things moved and
Speaker 1: people are chasing them through the trees. And if you've
Speaker 1: ever watched somebody who's got one of those that's got
Speaker 1: the live camera on it flying it. No, I don't
Speaker 1: have the fancy one. I've got the cheap Oh I
Speaker 1: bought mine on Amazon for way cheap dollars. But what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, yeah, I know that was a
Speaker 1: great phrase. But what I'm getting at is I've watched
Speaker 1: these guys. I watched videos and these guys with really
Speaker 1: expensive ones, and this is today. Those things are fast,
Speaker 1: and they're agile, and at night you have no idea
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, because I've flown one at night
Speaker 1: in a field and I could see how somebody would go,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's a UFO. Yeah, but the military
Speaker 1: is always playing around with that stuff, so it could
Speaker 1: have been something like that sort of little drone thing,
Speaker 1: awesome radio control drone. Yeah, and we're kind of spilling
Speaker 1: over into the theories, which is great. Maybe we just
Speaker 1: need to yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we just need
Speaker 1: to keep going to do it. We jumped down the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, so we're gonna keep going. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: we on the theories. Now. The first theory that we've
Speaker 1: got is the orford Ness Lighthouse. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: one I'm leading towards. So we talked about this before.
Speaker 1: The lighthouse is five miles away from bed Waters. It's
Speaker 1: out on the coast. Now all of the everything start
Speaker 1: to Woodbridge, which is the southernmost of the Twin Basis,
Speaker 1: but Bentwaters. It's from Bentwaters. The lighthouse is directly east.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry, I've got that backwards. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's directly east from Woodbridge and it's southeast from Bentwaters.
Speaker 1: Got him reverse. There. There's there's a local forester and
Speaker 1: this guy's name is Vince third Kettle. That's an awesome work.
Speaker 1: It is. It's kind of a Viking name to me
Speaker 1: for some reason, the way it's spelled. But he says
Speaker 1: that he's pretty adamant about the fact that the lights
Speaker 1: that these guys saw were at the edges of the
Speaker 1: forest and appear to hover slightly above the ground and
Speaker 1: move are from that lighthouse. At the time, the orford
Speaker 1: Nest Lighthouse was the second brightest lighthouse in Britain and
Speaker 1: it had and if anybody's into lighthouses, you get this.
Speaker 1: But basically this means it's super bright. Is it was
Speaker 1: five million candles? That's extremely bright. Uh. The lighthouse had
Speaker 1: a shield on the back side of it so that
Speaker 1: it didn't, you know, light up the town constantly at night.
Speaker 1: But that shield only went so far so from the forest,
Speaker 1: when you're to the south, you still see your south
Speaker 1: of the lighthouse, You're gonna still see the light. You
Speaker 1: just can't block it everywhere. I got like, my mind
Speaker 1: is going on this theory now, and like, was was
Speaker 1: the weather particularly different? I mean, would it explain why
Speaker 1: like on these two particular nights they would see these
Speaker 1: lights versus like not after before. I mean, presumably it's
Speaker 1: not just like it's not the weather. You just go
Speaker 1: out and you're just like, oh, wow, that's weird. We
Speaker 1: never noticed that light before. Oh it's totally normally. Get
Speaker 1: the feeling that these guys didn't go into the forest
Speaker 1: a whole lot. And the problem is this lighthouse is
Speaker 1: five miles away, so if you're in a depression, don't
Speaker 1: see it. Well, the other thing is in a region,
Speaker 1: it's dancing through the trees, it's it's flashing by. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing we don't know is how long these
Speaker 1: guys have actually been at the base, so if they
Speaker 1: were kind of new arrived. They were all young men,
Speaker 1: so I think the oldest of them was in his
Speaker 1: I think Halt was the oldest, and he was in
Speaker 1: his early thirties. Were like, those are the only two
Speaker 1: nights that they were ever in the forest? Is that
Speaker 1: what we're saying? That the only way that I could
Speaker 1: see this theory being plausible. They had no reason to
Speaker 1: go in the forest otherwise. Well, but did they not
Speaker 1: like go back? I mean, was it not like everybody
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hey, you know what, let's go see
Speaker 1: if those lights are still there. I mean, that's for me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, Okay, if if we're gonna say
Speaker 1: they were only there for two nights, that's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to go with this theory. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: If we're If what we're saying is that literally the
Speaker 1: only time in the entire time that they were stationed
Speaker 1: at the base were the two nights, those were the
Speaker 1: only two nights there in the forest, then that's all.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I can see this plausible. They
Speaker 1: have no reason to go in the forest, they have
Speaker 1: no reason to leave the base, and these guys are security,
Speaker 1: So their US Air Force security. Their job is to
Speaker 1: patrol the defence. So we are saying that these would
Speaker 1: be the only two nights that they'd be in the forest. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: I am. I'm on them. Now. Here's here's more damning
Speaker 1: evidence against them that it might have been the lighthouse
Speaker 1: is if you listen to the Halt tape, somebody in
Speaker 1: the background you can hear him say there it is again,
Speaker 1: there it is, And there's a there's that break that
Speaker 1: I just kind of simulated there of five seconds, which
Speaker 1: is the same frequency that the orford Ness lighthouse flashes
Speaker 1: that because of course every lighthouse has a unique pattern
Speaker 1: so that you know which lighthouse you're looking at from
Speaker 1: the sea, and the orford Ness was a steady light
Speaker 1: at every five seconds. If if there was a UFO
Speaker 1: in the area, they should have said, there's a consistent
Speaker 1: blinking light off in the distance, and here goes that
Speaker 1: other crazy light you see where I'm heading here, Like
Speaker 1: you should have described two lights at the same time.
Speaker 1: And in the tape, Halt describes the light as seeming
Speaker 1: to be red. Yeah, that's not a problem, the color red. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: potentially it's not a problem except for when I did
Speaker 1: the research on the lighthouse, the bulb that was in
Speaker 1: the lighthouse at that time gave off a reddish orange glow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, and they've they've replaced it since them
Speaker 1: with that's a mercury vapor bulb. But I think is
Speaker 1: what it doesn't matter what kind, but it actually still
Speaker 1: kind of has an orange. I think it's part of
Speaker 1: the class. And when you see lights at that distance,
Speaker 1: often they look red. I mean you just look at
Speaker 1: stars for instance, right, Often the stars look right because
Speaker 1: of the way that the atmosphere. The atmosphere also, you know,
Speaker 1: it might depend on how often they clean the glass,
Speaker 1: so exactly. Here's here's another bit. Halt normally worked out
Speaker 1: of Bentwaters and not Woodbridge. So from Bentwaters, where he
Speaker 1: is normally located, the lighthouse would have been to the southeast.
Speaker 1: But when he's at Woodbridge and he heads east into
Speaker 1: the forest, the lighthouse is going to be directly east
Speaker 1: of him. So whereas he's expecting to see the lighthouse
Speaker 1: south of him, it's not there. He's a little confused
Speaker 1: and thinks this foreign object is something crazy when it's
Speaker 1: actually something he should have recognized. Got it. I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm on board. Yeah, I'm going to the lighthouse. And
Speaker 1: we don't have to do any of the other ones,
Speaker 1: do we, Well, we kind of and actually I've got
Speaker 1: one more nail to put into the coffin of this.
Speaker 1: There is a guy by the name of Ian Ridpath
Speaker 1: and he does has done a boatload of research about
Speaker 1: this incident, and he using the details that he could
Speaker 1: pick up from the case, uh, from the tape and
Speaker 1: from the records, he kind of tried to retrace their
Speaker 1: path through the forest and he came upon what seems
Speaker 1: like a likely location because there's a farmer's field and
Speaker 1: house directly in front of him, and it's in winter time,
Speaker 1: so there's no leaves on the tree and oft in
Speaker 1: the distance through a break in the trees, guess what
Speaker 1: you see? The lighthouse. That is exactly right. Here's one
Speaker 1: other thing in the tape and some of the stuff.
Speaker 1: They also report seeing multiple stationary red lights. Well. Also
Speaker 1: out on the coast is the Orford Nest Transmission Station.
Speaker 1: It's it's two miles up the coast from the lighthouse.
Speaker 1: It's five tall radio towers with red lights on them.
Speaker 1: Of course, I didn't know those radio towers aren't UFOs.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't know the lighthouse. For that matter,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't know. I mean that lighthouse could
Speaker 1: be just a figment of your imagination. We gotta stop
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. Well, let's go to another theory, which
Speaker 1: is that it is real aliens. I didn't equally as plausible.
Speaker 1: I think more plausible. Sorry, Okay, if it's real aliens,
Speaker 1: then what were they doing there? Dude, doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: they're aliens. They kind of does because this is kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. They do what they want. They were zapp
Speaker 1: at our nukes. That makes sense because they had nukes
Speaker 1: at that base. So they did because at that base. Uh,
Speaker 1: the eighty first Fighter Interceptor Wing was housed there. The
Speaker 1: eighty first Fighter Wing included. If you're into airplanes, you're
Speaker 1: gonna dig this. It is the F one A one
Speaker 1: a C Voodoo fighter. Okay, it's a it's a really
Speaker 1: fast plane with missiles. The jet cool with missiles. This
Speaker 1: jet was set up to carry nuclear warheads and they
Speaker 1: had a couple. They had two missiles that I found
Speaker 1: information about, which is the low angle draft delivery and
Speaker 1: the low altitude bombing system. Basically, these are not high orbit.
Speaker 1: They are low altitude bombs, so basically they're meant to
Speaker 1: be dropped from a jet. Yeah, it sounds like kind
Speaker 1: of suicide for the pilot though. Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1: These guys trained for long runs out from England could
Speaker 1: potentially get into Russian airspace. In a retaliatory response, they
Speaker 1: would go and drop their nukes and beat feed and
Speaker 1: hope to get out of the way. Not but note
Speaker 1: that they might not. Well that's that's probably the point
Speaker 1: of the low angle drug delivery. So because that would
Speaker 1: that would slow as to send. Give you a tend
Speaker 1: because it's it's parachute. Well, it's like the Osta Hogan key.
Speaker 1: This doesn't matter. It's a nerd reference. People will get it.
Speaker 1: It's like the Osta Hogan key. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: like humanities last or America's last, like salvation? Right, is
Speaker 1: that like during the Cold War. The theory would be
Speaker 1: that if, for instance, for whatever reason, the Soviets were like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're nuke in America, America could send their
Speaker 1: last signal to their people in England and do that
Speaker 1: retaliatory thing. Right, it's not meant to be survivable, it's
Speaker 1: meant to be correct. Kind of compose. It's it's a
Speaker 1: last less ditch effort. Okay, So we know that there
Speaker 1: are nukes on this space. Halt and his men when
Speaker 1: they give their reports of this craft shooting up into
Speaker 1: the sky and taking off, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember I talked about they reported it shooting laser like
Speaker 1: beams towards the ground. I don't know if I mentioned
Speaker 1: that part or not, but they did. And at one
Speaker 1: point those those beams that they were shooting hit the
Speaker 1: base or near the base. We don't know which it is,
Speaker 1: because this is just again, this is one of those
Speaker 1: weird gray areas in the story. And like we just said,
Speaker 1: we know there are nukes on the base. There have
Speaker 1: been reports since the nineteen sixties of unidentified objects in
Speaker 1: the sky beaming lights in two sites that are known
Speaker 1: to house nuclear weapons all over the globe. So the
Speaker 1: aliens are trying to protect us from ourselves, interra totally
Speaker 1: protecting us from ourselves so that we don't murder ourselves
Speaker 1: like dingbats. Are there any reports of this happening in Russia?
Speaker 1: There are there are reports all over the globe. So
Speaker 1: I did, I did look around for some stuff, and
Speaker 1: there is on US soil, and evidently there's some on
Speaker 1: Soviet soil, so it's not just us. Okay, So it's
Speaker 1: not them doing it to us either, So we should
Speaker 1: probably those things out of storage and test them. That
Speaker 1: was the one thing that I just kept wondering going.
Speaker 1: So would they admit that their nukes weren't working anymore?
Speaker 1: Probably don't tell us. Well, there's there's another aspect to this, uh,
Speaker 1: this the aliens real theory, and that would be the
Speaker 1: craft itself. Remember we talked about it's that triangular shape
Speaker 1: craft that Devon was so up in arms about. It
Speaker 1: turns out not the only time that kind of craft
Speaker 1: has been described. We all know, we've all seen the
Speaker 1: stuff that their saucers shape, they're flying saucers, But this
Speaker 1: pyramid shape has been described before. Yeah, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered by a pyramid shape as aliens. I'm
Speaker 1: bothered of a pyramid shape as time traveler. Ah, good clarification.
Speaker 1: That's that that that makes it all okay. Actually it
Speaker 1: doesn't really bother me for time travel. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's for something that's gonna like move through the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: They really wouldn't be too aerodynamic. Well haven't you did
Speaker 1: you ever watch the TV show Stargate? Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: all of their spaceships were pyramid shaped. All of them
Speaker 1: were pyramid shaped. I can't even believe I went there,
Speaker 1: but I did. I did. So let let's get back
Speaker 1: to this. There's a reported case. This is in uh In,
Speaker 1: a village in Cyprus, which is the island in the Mediterranean.
Speaker 1: A man said he saw a UFO at close range,
Speaker 1: hovering outside his front door, and when he went up
Speaker 1: to the upper story of his house and he looked
Speaker 1: down on it, he described it as three ms per side.
Speaker 1: It was a low pyramid, and initially the side of
Speaker 1: the craft looked like hundreds of very small yellow lights
Speaker 1: which turned to red before it gained altitude and shot
Speaker 1: upward like a bullet. So the point that I'm making
Speaker 1: is the pyramid is not unique to this story. Only
Speaker 1: start get aside. And then there's the theory that, well,
Speaker 1: this just might set our conspiracy theory friends into fits,
Speaker 1: because this whole thing could be one giant mix up,
Speaker 1: could be could be some guys on mushrooms. Also, could
Speaker 1: be could be let's let's break through this or walk
Speaker 1: through this thing, and and look at the pieces of
Speaker 1: the puzzle that are here in front of us, because
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. Okay, absolutely does. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about the landing site. There were those three impressions
Speaker 1: left on the ground, right, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I mentioned, but I looked at the photos that were
Speaker 1: taken of the casts of those impressions. They look like nothing.
Speaker 1: They are just amorphous blobs in the ground. So were
Speaker 1: they at least consistent? No, not at all. No, they
Speaker 1: didn't look consistent to me at all. They look maybe
Speaker 1: an inch or so deep. They're very shallow, they're they're
Speaker 1: scallop shaped on the bottom, there's pull of full of
Speaker 1: pine needle impressions. And the thing is is that the
Speaker 1: photos of it are really hard to tell what they
Speaker 1: are because they're black and white photos. I've seen stuff
Speaker 1: that says that these impressions were made in frozen ground.
Speaker 1: I did look up the weather at that time in England,
Speaker 1: and the lows at night did go into freezing, So
Speaker 1: it's possible that the ground could have been frozen or
Speaker 1: at least hard or at least hard, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like anything. But I've also seen stuff that said
Speaker 1: that those three impressions were equally spaced from one each
Speaker 1: other one another, so you know, one point something meters
Speaker 1: apart feet apart, so they're perfect triangle, which if that's real,
Speaker 1: if that's really the distance is amazing for it to
Speaker 1: have been animal diggings, but it does kind of look
Speaker 1: like it was just squirrels digging into the dand or
Speaker 1: trying to find something to eat. Yeah, it could have been,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it could have looked roughly triangular,
Speaker 1: but just random animal stuff. Just very lucky. The other
Speaker 1: things about the landing site is I talked about the
Speaker 1: the that there were some burn marks on the trees.
Speaker 1: They they weren't burn marks because what the locals would
Speaker 1: do is when they would mark trees to be felled
Speaker 1: and harvested, they would take an axe and they would
Speaker 1: scrape the bark and part of the tree, the trunk
Speaker 1: of the wood away. Well, if you let enough time
Speaker 1: pass enough, sap is gonna turn come out, and that's
Speaker 1: going to discolor in the air, and it's gonna give
Speaker 1: kind of a burned look. And if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: a tree that's got a big scab on it and
Speaker 1: it's put out a bunch of sap and it gets
Speaker 1: kind of dirty and it gets cold. It doesn't look
Speaker 1: like it's just part of the tree. It looks like
Speaker 1: something else. And if they're harvesting trees in that area,
Speaker 1: that explains why there's so many broken branches. It's a
Speaker 1: very simple answer there, you know. And looking at the
Speaker 1: pictures of that area, it's like this very convenient open,
Speaker 1: little field area in the middle of a forest. Right,
Speaker 1: It's it's just a natural opening in the tree. It's
Speaker 1: just a nice little convenient you know, nine ten it's
Speaker 1: probably eleven feet by eleven feet wide. It's perfect for
Speaker 1: the eight nine point eight foot triangle to like just
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, it's it's very convenient. Scope that spot
Speaker 1: from across the galaxy. Yeah, that looks like the perfect there.
Speaker 1: It is right there, fits like a glove. I had
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that some of the soldiers had reported strange noises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were burrows reports. Actually, he says there was a
Speaker 1: noise like a woman's screaming, and that you could hear
Speaker 1: the farm animals making a lot of noise on those nights. Oh,
Speaker 1: you mean like animals do, like actual animals. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the best part in that forest. One of the creatures
Speaker 1: that is known to be in that forest, and I
Speaker 1: am going to butcher this pronunciation, so please help me out.
Speaker 1: Is them jack deer. That's how I would say that
Speaker 1: the mud jack deer, which is known for having a strange, loud,
Speaker 1: shrill bark when it's startled. Kid you not, they call
Speaker 1: it the barking deer. Yeah, I mean, elk make those
Speaker 1: like really terrifying, like loud wine noises. Deer do something
Speaker 1: kind of similar sometimes. If you weren't used to it,
Speaker 1: and it was in the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: you were already a little creeped out, you're a yank.
Speaker 1: You know, you live around there, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: fresh and you know, fresh off the boat probably and
Speaker 1: you're seeing weird lights, you hear a noise. Speaking of
Speaker 1: speaking of strange animal noises, if you ever heard a
Speaker 1: howler monkey, Yes, holy crap, that's a scary sound. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's off the subject, Off the subject totally. Onto the
Speaker 1: subject is the next bit. We talked about radiation a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. I said, I told you in the
Speaker 1: story that Halt took the radiation detectors with him when
Speaker 1: he was out and about in the woods. He reported
Speaker 1: a bunch of readings on the tape. The issue though,
Speaker 1: is that even though he's taken these readings, he was
Speaker 1: using and this is this is the model and a
Speaker 1: n DASH PDR survey meter which detects evidently, it detects
Speaker 1: gammon and beta radiation. The highest level reported by Halt
Speaker 1: is seven tents, which when you translate that corresponds to
Speaker 1: point zero seven. Again, I'm gonna have a hard time
Speaker 1: with this word. Yeah, that word per hour, which is
Speaker 1: the lowest reading on the bottom range of that meter,
Speaker 1: which is also known as the point five scale. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you guys, there's zero present radiation here. It's
Speaker 1: so high. Background radiation is everywhere. Yeah, and that's the
Speaker 1: problem is background radiation. What they're picking up his background radiation.
Speaker 1: But the radiation detector that he took with him was
Speaker 1: not meant to pick up background radiation. It was meant
Speaker 1: to be used around nuclear equipment. So it's normal base
Speaker 1: reading should have been about ten times that. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't a valid piece of equipment to be setting a
Speaker 1: baseline of abnormality against. So there's a problem with what
Speaker 1: he used. Yeah, absolutely, there's a problem with what he
Speaker 1: found here because exactly radiation. So the next thing we've
Speaker 1: got is in this whole mix up theory is the
Speaker 1: lights in the sky. If you remember, at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this, which has been a while now, we talked
Speaker 1: about that there were lights in the sky and a
Speaker 1: lot of people, not at the base but just people
Speaker 1: in the country were reporting lights in the sky. That's
Speaker 1: why they initially went out to the forest, right, because
Speaker 1: they were they only saw something. Yes, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. At nine o'clock on December PM in England,
Speaker 1: the upper stage of a Russian rocket, which had evidently
Speaker 1: launched the Cosmos seven four nine satellite, re entered the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: That rocket broke up. Two people report over two people
Speaker 1: reported this thing coming through the atmosphere. It came in
Speaker 1: in six pieces, which then fragmented into over twenty pieces
Speaker 1: that people watched streaming through the atmosphere that night. Then
Speaker 1: at two forty five in the morning on the six AM,
Speaker 1: a meteor was also recorded as coming into the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: and witnesses said it was as bright as the moon
Speaker 1: and was had an unusually long duration of three to
Speaker 1: four seconds. Because shooting stars are usually they're gone and
Speaker 1: they're high to really high. This one evidently burned hard,
Speaker 1: came low and burned long. Yeah, that does happen. I
Speaker 1: saw a fireball once when I was a teenager. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of Yeah. You immediately kind of think like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's nope, that's not No, that's too close.
Speaker 1: It's burning. Yeah, it was. It was weird. Luckily I
Speaker 1: was with some other people, because you know, otherwise I
Speaker 1: would have doubted my sanity. But well, we're going, whoa man. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've experienced something similar, you know, just
Speaker 1: during like meteor showers, even normal meteor showers. You see
Speaker 1: that one and you're just is it a space alien
Speaker 1: or no? No, it's fine. It's strange to watch them
Speaker 1: when you can actually see them disintegrate. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: there's one more piece to the mix up story. Remember
Speaker 1: I talked about the m o D file all right.
Speaker 1: Under the Freedom of Information Act in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: the m O D file was released. The m O
Speaker 1: D file prove provided a whole bunch of internal correspondence
Speaker 1: about the event and also oh oops, responses to media
Speaker 1: requests about the incident. There was nothing there, which you know,
Speaker 1: actually wonder why they held onto it for so long
Speaker 1: that they have to they have to. Well what I
Speaker 1: mean is that I I don't mean why because they're
Speaker 1: the m o D and they don't disclose anything if
Speaker 1: they don't have to. Yeah, it is and probably for
Speaker 1: set for them again, it was more fun to just
Speaker 1: sit back and watch the conspiracy. That's probably why I
Speaker 1: will never be able to work for the government is
Speaker 1: because I would do that. I would be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys want this file sor it's classified, it's it's
Speaker 1: People have gotten a little upset because this kind of
Speaker 1: proves and the skeptics are pretty happy about it. It
Speaker 1: proves the m o D never took this thing seriously,
Speaker 1: didn't do any investigations. You Yanks are idiots. Go home.
Speaker 1: So that is the mix up theory. There's one final
Speaker 1: theory and I know you can't believe this is still
Speaker 1: going on. Devin has given me the we're not done yet.
Speaker 1: But there is one final theory, which is the whole
Speaker 1: thing was a hoax. Okay, that makes sense, I guess,
Speaker 1: or what it was a U. S Airman. There is
Speaker 1: a U. S Airman by the name of Kevin Condie's conde. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: he was also a security detail. He was also on
Speaker 1: security detail, just like Peniston and Burrows. And what he
Speaker 1: says is on the night that Halt and his men
Speaker 1: went out into the woods, he says, I drove my
Speaker 1: patrol car out of sight from the gatehouse, turned on
Speaker 1: the red and blue emergency lights, and pointed the white
Speaker 1: flashlights up through the mist into the air. He then
Speaker 1: supposedly drove around the edge of the forest to mess
Speaker 1: with his buddies, which I gotta tell you, I can
Speaker 1: actually see a military guy who's a young guy screwed
Speaker 1: with his buddies doing sounds the only the only thing
Speaker 1: about his story is he put out the story and
Speaker 1: then not too long after he retracted it. I would too,
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I mean, like really truly, like
Speaker 1: I would too. Like if your bosses were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're responsible for this. Hey, maybe that's not a great idea.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should just let everybody think it's aliens, like seriously,
Speaker 1: like you were just like gooping off on like company
Speaker 1: time with company material, like his report he gave it
Speaker 1: to the media. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, though, Is
Speaker 1: that like if he released it to the media and
Speaker 1: then his boss was like, so, really you're screwing around,
Speaker 1: he would be like, actually, yeah, maybe media just kidding.
Speaker 1: I was just kidding me. He released his report, it
Speaker 1: was like two thousand three or two thousand eight or something.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like even then, like if Langley called
Speaker 1: you up and was like, hey, maybe no, and he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, just kidding. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think Lanely or the Air Force would have
Speaker 1: called up and said, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I would could envision that more of them calling him
Speaker 1: and saying you need to retract that, and you need
Speaker 1: to do it now, or there's gonna be some negative repercussion.
Speaker 1: But I'm territorial and well no, my description is just
Speaker 1: like the way that I would say it. But why
Speaker 1: would they want him to retract it? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it makes a jackass out of everybody in the
Speaker 1: US Air Force who was involved in this thing. So
Speaker 1: and it makes a jackass out of the US Air Force.
Speaker 1: Not the Air Force really, I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's just just a handful of guys on a on
Speaker 1: a base in Britain, that's true, but some of the
Speaker 1: parts make the whole, so one leads to the other.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's probably the lighthouse. What
Speaker 1: do you think, Joe, I'm leaning towards it. Maybe a
Speaker 1: combination of the lighthouse. It's in a prankster. It's always
Speaker 1: a possibility, and I personally just I have to lean
Speaker 1: towards the giant misunderstanding because of all the parts and pieces.
Speaker 1: So this is one of the fewer were completely divide,
Speaker 1: which is well, I think I think any of those
Speaker 1: those things, aside from the aliens zapping our new because
Speaker 1: I think they're funniest, I think it's good. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I think the I think the aliens want us to
Speaker 1: nuke each other so that way they can move in
Speaker 1: and you know, build new subdivisions here, new alien subdivisions,
Speaker 1: have all this. If they if they like radioactive housing,
Speaker 1: then yeah themselves. How do you know the aliens don't
Speaker 1: like radiation? Maybe yeah, maybe That's what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: if they like radiation and they would just bomis themselves necessarily,
Speaker 1: I mean it's they might they might have this thing
Speaker 1: going where they feel like, well, we knew ourselves, We're
Speaker 1: gonna feel kind of guilty. Oh my god, what is
Speaker 1: happening right now? Yeah, that is okay, that's weird. Those
Speaker 1: are our thoughts. That's all the theories. Let's let's let's
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