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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories of things

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Speaker 1: we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Steve, as always,

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Speaker 1: joined by my lovely co host Joe and Devin. He

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Speaker 1: was obviously talking about Devin, not Joe. Joe is the

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Speaker 1: lovely one man, you know. I mean you're not bad looking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't take it too personally. Yeah, you're just

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Speaker 1: not as pretty as me. It's that really went off

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Speaker 1: the rails fast. Ye okay, oak. Well, today, as always,

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Speaker 1: we have another mystery to look into, and unfortunately, Joe,

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Speaker 1: we are not going to solve this. I'm pretty positive

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Speaker 1: right off the top. You do think so, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so well, I don't know. I think we will. Well,

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about is we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Randelshom Forrest incident. Randelshom Forrest incident. No, you're

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Speaker 1: not saying right what I am not doing an accent?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you have to you have to do your best

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Speaker 1: English accent. My accents are herod, you know, they always

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Speaker 1: they always end up sounding Irish or Asian and it's awesome. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it not doing it? Okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: before we get into this episode, I do want to

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Speaker 1: send out a thanks to Ali who sent this in.

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Speaker 1: And he sent this in months ago and I kind

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Speaker 1: of called DIBs on it. But this is one of

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Speaker 1: those stories that I have to sit on for a

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Speaker 1: long time because there's a lot of conflicting information. It's

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Speaker 1: an unsolved mystery egg being a being a UFO story.

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Speaker 1: It's not just conflicting information, but also a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. There's a lot of fantastic retelling,

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Speaker 1: and so it was it took me a long time

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Speaker 1: to kind of boil things down and and figure it out.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great story, and I'm really glad I

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Speaker 1: got sent in because I really enjoyed it once I

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Speaker 1: In Ostrich got it. Wow, what okay? Well, our story

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Speaker 1: takes place in England, as Devon briefly alluded to there

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Speaker 1: and it's in an area called the Rendals from Forest,

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Speaker 1: which is on the east coast of England. It's I

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Speaker 1: believe about sixty miles south of London, so it's kind

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of details that are important to know,

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Speaker 1: which is this happened in nine eight and since nineteen

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Speaker 1: bases in the UK. The number of air bases have fluctuated,

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Speaker 1: but they've been going down for like thirty years. But

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Speaker 1: On the night of December so Christmas, which is in

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Speaker 1: a couple of days for everybody listening to this, if

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Speaker 1: in the area of Reynoldshom and other places in the country.

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Speaker 1: There were streaking lights in the sky, well there were

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Speaker 1: people didn't know exactly what they were at first, but

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Speaker 1: the Royal Air Force Base. Evidently these lights were descending

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Speaker 1: They go to check this out. At four o'clock in

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Speaker 1: But Halt went out with a whole troop of guys,

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Speaker 1: so they may have been there, but I can't corroborate that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you would think the Peniston at least would have been there.

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Speaker 1: You would totally think so. At this point, they're out there,

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Speaker 1: And this is all Lieutenant Colonel Halt's fault. He evidently

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Speaker 1: What what Halt did those when he went out into

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Speaker 1: see where they were going. Their radiation detectors when they

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Speaker 1: I don't remember him saying the dates. But yeah, he

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Speaker 1: remember they went out at about three o'clock in the morning,

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00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: the local cops come out at about four, and then

428
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: they go back out in the daylight morning hours, and

429
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: then the cops come out at ten thirty again to

430
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: check out this set. So this is all in that

431
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: first morning. Is that's when he wrote this report? Correct, Okay,

432
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: And this is from that report. It's not from him

433
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: like theater like, it's from what he has written and

434
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: said he saw because this is again, this is his story,

435
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: and what we're hearing now is the most evol version

436
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: of his Let's just remind that, right, because that you know,

437
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, okay, so like he's recalling ten

438
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: years later what he quote unquote saw and then he

439
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: knows that they found these prints, and it's very convenient

440
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, well, supposedly he was one of the

441
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: ones who found that first set of impressions. Sure, and

442
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: that's again fair but easy to just fold it one

443
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: tiny detail from something later into your story conveniently. Yes,

444
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: and I say that word in capitals. All of this

445
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: extra information from Peniston he recalled while under regression hypnosis

446
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: to makes sense, no, no reason to any that he

447
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: claims that the craft that he encountered was actually you're ready,

448
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: from our future and not extraterrestrial, So it was human

449
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: time travelers and not space aliens were Listen. Here's the

450
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: only thing I want to say is that, like, look

451
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: at the most evolved technology that we have, just look

452
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: at it. We don't make things in triangles, Okay, Like

453
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: we don't, so like, well, no, we're never going to

454
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: because triangles are dumb. We did back in the past

455
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: the alien did back in the past. But I digress.

456
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we make tubes because tubes are aerodynamic,

457
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: that's what we do. We don't make triangles white. So

458
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: there might be some reason for making a pyramid shape craft. Maybe,

459
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: I guess maybe a project is you know, if you

460
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: make them out of it what was it special titanium

461
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it was it was supposedly that pyramid underground

462
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: was made out of. Maybe they warp and bend the

463
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: atmosphere and you could make it in whatever sheep I guess.

464
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Or maybe triangles are actually more conducive to ripping holes

465
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: in the space time continuum. I guess that's fair through

466
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: time that squares and tubes don't. That's why we're when

467
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: we don't build triangles. You're right, okay, fine, all right, fine,

468
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: they found out they were like, oh, actually triangles not

469
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: great for space travel, great for time travel. Here's the

470
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: problem that. Here's here's the big problem. Pattistan's reports from

471
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: the real the investigation that's been done. None of his

472
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: reports support any of this, of course, not sat He

473
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: didn't say he'd physically contacted the craft and burrows and

474
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: common sock or camon sag or however, you say that

475
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: guy's name, that other airman that was with them. Their

476
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: reports don't support this either. Now, I I will say

477
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: that Burrows, like I said before, his story has involved

478
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: evolved and it diverges from Peniston's. But they've both they've

479
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: both grown over time. Okay, so it's been some there's

480
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: been some flame wars between these guys about what they

481
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: say they didn't and didn't see. I just like to

482
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate, not Devil's advocate Peniston's advocate. I guess, um,

483
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's something to be said for

484
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: your want to like appear really normal, you know. I mean,

485
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I think, especially if you're an airman and you've just

486
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: seen some weird stuff, like your report isn't necessarily going

487
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: to be like oh, and also they were time travelers,

488
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and also there were lots of weird higher glyphs, you

489
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: are going to be like, I'm totally normal and totally

490
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: cool to keep serving. Don't worry about me, this is

491
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: cool in reality. Do I think that's what happened? No,

492
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't actually, but that's an extremely valid point. And

493
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: you know why. Why is when you're a low ranking officer,

494
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: you write a report that you know your superiors are

495
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: going to read and not call you a nut job

496
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: and not kick you out and not get you in trouble.

497
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. He is actually a known phenomenon in military structures.

498
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: But how when he recalled all this and he was

499
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: talking about the craft and how it was from the future,

500
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: did he ever say how he knew it was from

501
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: the future? No intuition, Yeah, there's there's nothing to explain

502
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: how he knew that. We don't know. They weren't aliens.

503
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: I think like that's part of it, right. It looked

504
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: totally human, but it was a technology that you've never

505
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: seen before, So therefore from the future. I guess so,

506
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: But so isn't he also the one that said that

507
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: there were people with tiny little bodies and huge heads. No, no,

508
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: that is that is the fantastical internet version that I found,

509
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: my favoritest one on the internet that had the great

510
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: illustrations of this triangular craft shooting a little starlight beams

511
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: out of it. It was also on a black background.

512
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: There's illustrations there was on this one. It was it

513
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: was a total photoshop job, but it wasn't like painted

514
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: on velvet velvet. But but just to clarify this guy's

515
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: version of story, he didn't actually see any creatures, any

516
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: human beings from his reports, I can't tell he somehow

517
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: knows that they're from the future, but it does I

518
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: can't get a clear bead on if he did or

519
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: did not see people. And this is the problem, is

520
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: that his story has changed over time, and it's evolved,

521
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: and details slip in and out of it. So it's

522
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: really you know, and and I'm using him. I feel

523
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: bad for kind of making him the whipping boy here,

524
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: because he's just one of the ones whose story has changed.

525
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Burrows has evolved, Halt himself has gone on

526
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: record and made a lot and made some claims about

527
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: this whole incident. And so I mean, these things just

528
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: keep going. But but we're not done with Penistin. Unfortunately,

529
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: his story keeps going. Okay, So within three weeks of

530
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: their encounter with this craft, both Penistin and Burrows are

531
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: reportative and experienced difficulty walking and this was from an

532
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: inner ear and eye problems evidently. And Peniston's gums turned white.

533
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: No big deal, My gums are white all the time,

534
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: which which according to the article that I found this

535
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: particular bit in is a sign of heavy radiation exposure.

536
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: I will tell you right now. I don't know how

537
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: much time I spent trying to verify if heavy radiation

538
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: exposure would change your the color of your gums. I

539
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: found stuff saying well, yeah, if you're getting chemo and radiation,

540
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: your gums are going to be tender, but nothing said

541
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: they would turn white. Yeah. I think that if you've

542
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: gotten enough radiation at scums white, then he probably would

543
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: be dead. I was just gonna say, there's like very

544
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: limited research on intense radiation exposure because most of those

545
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: people just kind of die. You die from heavy radiation

546
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: poisoning typically. Okay, well, let's go to two days after

547
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: Burrows and Peniston encounter this craft. They get whisked away

548
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: to Langley by the c I A. That's not suspicious

549
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: at all. They were interrogated for days and they were

550
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: told to give written accounts of what they saw and experienced.

551
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: They then were given back those written accounts, and those

552
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: accounts were altered or sanitized, depending on how you want

553
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: to want to describe it, and then they were told

554
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: to memorize them and only tell those versions or else.

555
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I also have come across some stuff that says that

556
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: while Peniston was at Langley he was given truth serum

557
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: and I can't back that up. Why not? But it does.

558
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Okay, let's just for a second, let's

559
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of the c I A

560
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: grabs these guys from a base in the UK, brings

561
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: him back home and interrogates him and pumps them full

562
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: of drugs to try and find out what they know. Okay, boy,

563
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: if you're full of those drugs and you're high z

564
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: a kite for days on end and you're being super interrogated,

565
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: your mind is gonna kind of go off kilter for

566
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: a bit, which to me is kind of an explanation

567
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: of why he's suddenly in regression therapy has these revelations.

568
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: I saw these bright lights and there was these people.

569
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: Well it was because there was some dude with a

570
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: lamp shining in your face while you were on all

571
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, sodium penthe penththol. Although it did just occur

572
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: to me that, um, the stealth bombers that they developed

573
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: are what are those they? Yeah, they are triangular sort

574
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: of kind of they're they're a big wing they're they're flat, yeah,

575
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: horizontally or vertically for the most part. Right, I'm just

576
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: saying it just occurred to me. I mean, you know,

577
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: I think it's like one thing to be like, oh, well, crap.

578
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, actually it was Langley testing some you know,

579
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: super secret something they want usually but like if they

580
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: needed to take it across the sea or whatever, I

581
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it was the Brits testing company. But

582
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: also it's a good thing to remember that this is

583
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: we're still in the Cold War. Things are still going

584
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: on a lot of slanting. It would be nai Bell. Yeah, well,

585
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: I know that the stuff technology was being developed back then,

586
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: and it could have been prototypes. But even the B

587
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: two bomber is pretty huge six to nine there, six

588
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: to nine feet and then and the stealth fighter also

589
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: is far bigger than that. Honestly, when I see these

590
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: reports and I've listened to them, I have a couple

591
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: of those little remote control quad copter drones and they're

592
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: covered in l e ed s and those things go

593
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: all over the place and they flash and they are

594
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: super agile, and it makes me think of those when

595
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: I hear the reports about how these things moved and

596
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: people are chasing them through the trees. And if you've

597
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: ever watched somebody who's got one of those that's got

598
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: the live camera on it flying it. No, I don't

599
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: have the fancy one. I've got the cheap Oh I

600
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: bought mine on Amazon for way cheap dollars. But what

601
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, yeah, I know that was a

602
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: great phrase. But what I'm getting at is I've watched

603
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: these guys. I watched videos and these guys with really

604
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: expensive ones, and this is today. Those things are fast,

605
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: and they're agile, and at night you have no idea

606
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, because I've flown one at night

607
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: in a field and I could see how somebody would go,

608
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's a UFO. Yeah, but the military

609
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: is always playing around with that stuff, so it could

610
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: have been something like that sort of little drone thing,

611
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: awesome radio control drone. Yeah, and we're kind of spilling

612
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: over into the theories, which is great. Maybe we just

613
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: need to yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we just need

614
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: to keep going to do it. We jumped down the

615
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, so we're gonna keep going. So yeah, so

616
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: we on the theories. Now. The first theory that we've

617
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: got is the orford Ness Lighthouse. That's kind of the

618
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: one I'm leading towards. So we talked about this before.

619
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: The lighthouse is five miles away from bed Waters. It's

620
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: out on the coast. Now all of the everything start

621
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: to Woodbridge, which is the southernmost of the Twin Basis,

622
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: but Bentwaters. It's from Bentwaters. The lighthouse is directly east.

623
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry, I've got that backwards. It's not.

624
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: It's directly east from Woodbridge and it's southeast from Bentwaters.

625
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: Got him reverse. There. There's there's a local forester and

626
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: this guy's name is Vince third Kettle. That's an awesome work.

627
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: It is. It's kind of a Viking name to me

628
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: for some reason, the way it's spelled. But he says

629
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: that he's pretty adamant about the fact that the lights

630
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: that these guys saw were at the edges of the

631
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: forest and appear to hover slightly above the ground and

632
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: move are from that lighthouse. At the time, the orford

633
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Nest Lighthouse was the second brightest lighthouse in Britain and

634
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: it had and if anybody's into lighthouses, you get this.

635
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: But basically this means it's super bright. Is it was

636
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: five million candles? That's extremely bright. Uh. The lighthouse had

637
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: a shield on the back side of it so that

638
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: it didn't, you know, light up the town constantly at night.

639
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: But that shield only went so far so from the forest,

640
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: when you're to the south, you still see your south

641
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: of the lighthouse, You're gonna still see the light. You

642
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: just can't block it everywhere. I got like, my mind

643
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: is going on this theory now, and like, was was

644
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: the weather particularly different? I mean, would it explain why

645
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: like on these two particular nights they would see these

646
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: lights versus like not after before. I mean, presumably it's

647
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: not just like it's not the weather. You just go

648
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: out and you're just like, oh, wow, that's weird. We

649
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: never noticed that light before. Oh it's totally normally. Get

650
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: the feeling that these guys didn't go into the forest

651
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: a whole lot. And the problem is this lighthouse is

652
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: five miles away, so if you're in a depression, don't

653
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: see it. Well, the other thing is in a region,

654
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: it's dancing through the trees, it's it's flashing by. Well,

655
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: the other thing we don't know is how long these

656
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: guys have actually been at the base, so if they

657
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: were kind of new arrived. They were all young men,

658
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: so I think the oldest of them was in his

659
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I think Halt was the oldest, and he was in

660
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: his early thirties. Were like, those are the only two

661
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: nights that they were ever in the forest? Is that

662
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: what we're saying? That the only way that I could

663
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: see this theory being plausible. They had no reason to

664
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: go in the forest otherwise. Well, but did they not

665
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: like go back? I mean, was it not like everybody

666
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hey, you know what, let's go see

667
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: if those lights are still there. I mean, that's for me,

668
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, Okay, if if we're gonna say

669
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: they were only there for two nights, that's fine. I'm

670
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: willing to go with this theory. I like it a lot.

671
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: If we're If what we're saying is that literally the

672
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: only time in the entire time that they were stationed

673
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: at the base were the two nights, those were the

674
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: only two nights there in the forest, then that's all.

675
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: That's the only way I can see this plausible. They

676
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: have no reason to go in the forest, they have

677
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: no reason to leave the base, and these guys are security,

678
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: So their US Air Force security. Their job is to

679
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: patrol the defence. So we are saying that these would

680
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: be the only two nights that they'd be in the forest. Yeah, alright,

681
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: I am. I'm on them. Now. Here's here's more damning

682
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: evidence against them that it might have been the lighthouse

683
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: is if you listen to the Halt tape, somebody in

684
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: the background you can hear him say there it is again,

685
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: there it is, And there's a there's that break that

686
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: I just kind of simulated there of five seconds, which

687
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: is the same frequency that the orford Ness lighthouse flashes

688
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: that because of course every lighthouse has a unique pattern

689
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: so that you know which lighthouse you're looking at from

690
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: the sea, and the orford Ness was a steady light

691
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: at every five seconds. If if there was a UFO

692
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: in the area, they should have said, there's a consistent

693
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: blinking light off in the distance, and here goes that

694
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: other crazy light you see where I'm heading here, Like

695
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: you should have described two lights at the same time.

696
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: And in the tape, Halt describes the light as seeming

697
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: to be red. Yeah, that's not a problem, the color red. Yeah, well,

698
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: potentially it's not a problem except for when I did

699
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: the research on the lighthouse, the bulb that was in

700
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: the lighthouse at that time gave off a reddish orange glow. Yeah,

701
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense, and they've they've replaced it since them

702
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: with that's a mercury vapor bulb. But I think is

703
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: what it doesn't matter what kind, but it actually still

704
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of has an orange. I think it's part of

705
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: the class. And when you see lights at that distance,

706
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: often they look red. I mean you just look at

707
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: stars for instance, right, Often the stars look right because

708
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: of the way that the atmosphere. The atmosphere also, you know,

709
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: it might depend on how often they clean the glass,

710
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: so exactly. Here's here's another bit. Halt normally worked out

711
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: of Bentwaters and not Woodbridge. So from Bentwaters, where he

712
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: is normally located, the lighthouse would have been to the southeast.

713
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: But when he's at Woodbridge and he heads east into

714
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: the forest, the lighthouse is going to be directly east

715
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: of him. So whereas he's expecting to see the lighthouse

716
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: south of him, it's not there. He's a little confused

717
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: and thinks this foreign object is something crazy when it's

718
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: actually something he should have recognized. Got it. I like it.

719
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm on board. Yeah, I'm going to the lighthouse. And

720
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: we don't have to do any of the other ones,

721
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: do we, Well, we kind of and actually I've got

722
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: one more nail to put into the coffin of this.

723
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: There is a guy by the name of Ian Ridpath

724
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and he does has done a boatload of research about

725
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: this incident, and he using the details that he could

726
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: pick up from the case, uh, from the tape and

727
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: from the records, he kind of tried to retrace their

728
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: path through the forest and he came upon what seems

729
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: like a likely location because there's a farmer's field and

730
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: house directly in front of him, and it's in winter time,

731
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: so there's no leaves on the tree and oft in

732
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: the distance through a break in the trees, guess what

733
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: you see? The lighthouse. That is exactly right. Here's one

734
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: other thing in the tape and some of the stuff.

735
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: They also report seeing multiple stationary red lights. Well. Also

736
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: out on the coast is the Orford Nest Transmission Station.

737
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: It's it's two miles up the coast from the lighthouse.

738
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: It's five tall radio towers with red lights on them.

739
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: Of course, I didn't know those radio towers aren't UFOs.

740
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't know the lighthouse. For that matter,

741
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't know. I mean that lighthouse could

742
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: be just a figment of your imagination. We gotta stop

743
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. Well, let's go to another theory, which

744
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: is that it is real aliens. I didn't equally as plausible.

745
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: I think more plausible. Sorry, Okay, if it's real aliens,

746
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: then what were they doing there? Dude, doesn't really matter

747
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: they're aliens. They kind of does because this is kind

748
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: of interesting. They do what they want. They were zapp

749
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 1: at our nukes. That makes sense because they had nukes

750
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: at that base. So they did because at that base. Uh,

751
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: the eighty first Fighter Interceptor Wing was housed there. The

752
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: eighty first Fighter Wing included. If you're into airplanes, you're

753
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna dig this. It is the F one A one

754
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: a C Voodoo fighter. Okay, it's a it's a really

755
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: fast plane with missiles. The jet cool with missiles. This

756
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: jet was set up to carry nuclear warheads and they

757
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: had a couple. They had two missiles that I found

758
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: information about, which is the low angle draft delivery and

759
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: the low altitude bombing system. Basically, these are not high orbit.

760
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: They are low altitude bombs, so basically they're meant to

761
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: be dropped from a jet. Yeah, it sounds like kind

762
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: of suicide for the pilot though. Well that's the thing.

763
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: These guys trained for long runs out from England could

764
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: potentially get into Russian airspace. In a retaliatory response, they

765
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: would go and drop their nukes and beat feed and

766
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: hope to get out of the way. Not but note

767
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: that they might not. Well that's that's probably the point

768
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: of the low angle drug delivery. So because that would

769
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: that would slow as to send. Give you a tend

770
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: because it's it's parachute. Well, it's like the Osta Hogan key.

771
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: This doesn't matter. It's a nerd reference. People will get it.

772
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: It's like the Osta Hogan key. I mean, it's it's

773
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: like humanities last or America's last, like salvation? Right, is

774
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: that like during the Cold War. The theory would be

775
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: that if, for instance, for whatever reason, the Soviets were like,

776
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: all right, we're nuke in America, America could send their

777
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: last signal to their people in England and do that

778
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: retaliatory thing. Right, it's not meant to be survivable, it's

779
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: meant to be correct. Kind of compose. It's it's a

780
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: last less ditch effort. Okay, So we know that there

781
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: are nukes on this space. Halt and his men when

782
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: they give their reports of this craft shooting up into

783
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: the sky and taking off, I don't know if you

784
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: remember I talked about they reported it shooting laser like

785
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: beams towards the ground. I don't know if I mentioned

786
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: that part or not, but they did. And at one

787
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: point those those beams that they were shooting hit the

788
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: base or near the base. We don't know which it is,

789
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: because this is just again, this is one of those

790
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: weird gray areas in the story. And like we just said,

791
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: we know there are nukes on the base. There have

792
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: been reports since the nineteen sixties of unidentified objects in

793
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: the sky beaming lights in two sites that are known

794
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: to house nuclear weapons all over the globe. So the

795
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: aliens are trying to protect us from ourselves, interra totally

796
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: protecting us from ourselves so that we don't murder ourselves

797
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: like dingbats. Are there any reports of this happening in Russia?

798
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: There are there are reports all over the globe. So

799
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: I did, I did look around for some stuff, and

800
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: there is on US soil, and evidently there's some on

801
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: Soviet soil, so it's not just us. Okay, So it's

802
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: not them doing it to us either, So we should

803
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: probably those things out of storage and test them. That

804
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: was the one thing that I just kept wondering going.

805
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: So would they admit that their nukes weren't working anymore?

806
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Probably don't tell us. Well, there's there's another aspect to this, uh,

807
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: this the aliens real theory, and that would be the

808
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: craft itself. Remember we talked about it's that triangular shape

809
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: craft that Devon was so up in arms about. It

810
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: turns out not the only time that kind of craft

811
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: has been described. We all know, we've all seen the

812
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: stuff that their saucers shape, they're flying saucers, But this

813
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: pyramid shape has been described before. Yeah, I'm you know,

814
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered by a pyramid shape as aliens. I'm

815
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: bothered of a pyramid shape as time traveler. Ah, good clarification.

816
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: That's that that that makes it all okay. Actually it

817
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really bother me for time travel. It's just like

818
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: it's for something that's gonna like move through the atmosphere.

819
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: They really wouldn't be too aerodynamic. Well haven't you did

820
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: you ever watch the TV show Stargate? Yeah, all of

821
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: all of their spaceships were pyramid shaped. All of them

822
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: were pyramid shaped. I can't even believe I went there,

823
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: but I did. I did. So let let's get back

824
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: to this. There's a reported case. This is in uh In,

825
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: a village in Cyprus, which is the island in the Mediterranean.

826
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: A man said he saw a UFO at close range,

827
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: hovering outside his front door, and when he went up

828
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: to the upper story of his house and he looked

829
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: down on it, he described it as three ms per side.

830
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: It was a low pyramid, and initially the side of

831
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: the craft looked like hundreds of very small yellow lights

832
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: which turned to red before it gained altitude and shot

833
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: upward like a bullet. So the point that I'm making

834
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: is the pyramid is not unique to this story. Only

835
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: start get aside. And then there's the theory that, well,

836
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: this just might set our conspiracy theory friends into fits,

837
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: because this whole thing could be one giant mix up,

838
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: could be could be some guys on mushrooms. Also, could

839
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: be could be let's let's break through this or walk

840
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: through this thing, and and look at the pieces of

841
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: the puzzle that are here in front of us, because

842
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. Okay, absolutely does. So let's

843
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: talk about the landing site. There were those three impressions

844
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: left on the ground, right, And I don't know if

845
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned, but I looked at the photos that were

846
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: taken of the casts of those impressions. They look like nothing.

847
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: They are just amorphous blobs in the ground. So were

848
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: they at least consistent? No, not at all. No, they

849
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: didn't look consistent to me at all. They look maybe

850
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: an inch or so deep. They're very shallow, they're they're

851
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: scallop shaped on the bottom, there's pull of full of

852
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: pine needle impressions. And the thing is is that the

853
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: photos of it are really hard to tell what they

854
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: are because they're black and white photos. I've seen stuff

855
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: that says that these impressions were made in frozen ground.

856
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: I did look up the weather at that time in England,

857
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: and the lows at night did go into freezing, So

858
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: it's possible that the ground could have been frozen or

859
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: at least hard or at least hard, but it doesn't

860
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: look like anything. But I've also seen stuff that said

861
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: that those three impressions were equally spaced from one each

862
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: other one another, so you know, one point something meters

863
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: apart feet apart, so they're perfect triangle, which if that's real,

864
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: if that's really the distance is amazing for it to

865
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: have been animal diggings, but it does kind of look

866
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: like it was just squirrels digging into the dand or

867
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: trying to find something to eat. Yeah, it could have been,

868
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it could have looked roughly triangular,

869
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: but just random animal stuff. Just very lucky. The other

870
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: things about the landing site is I talked about the

871
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: the that there were some burn marks on the trees.

872
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: They they weren't burn marks because what the locals would

873
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: do is when they would mark trees to be felled

874
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: and harvested, they would take an axe and they would

875
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: scrape the bark and part of the tree, the trunk

876
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: of the wood away. Well, if you let enough time

877
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: pass enough, sap is gonna turn come out, and that's

878
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: going to discolor in the air, and it's gonna give

879
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: kind of a burned look. And if you've ever seen

880
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: a tree that's got a big scab on it and

881
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: it's put out a bunch of sap and it gets

882
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of dirty and it gets cold. It doesn't look

883
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: like it's just part of the tree. It looks like

884
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: something else. And if they're harvesting trees in that area,

885
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: that explains why there's so many broken branches. It's a

886
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: very simple answer there, you know. And looking at the

887
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: pictures of that area, it's like this very convenient open,

888
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: little field area in the middle of a forest. Right,

889
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: It's it's just a natural opening in the tree. It's

890
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: just a nice little convenient you know, nine ten it's

891
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: probably eleven feet by eleven feet wide. It's perfect for

892
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: the eight nine point eight foot triangle to like just

893
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, it's it's very convenient. Scope that spot

894
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: from across the galaxy. Yeah, that looks like the perfect there.

895
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: It is right there, fits like a glove. I had

896
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that some of the soldiers had reported strange noises. Yeah,

897
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: there were burrows reports. Actually, he says there was a

898
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: noise like a woman's screaming, and that you could hear

899
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: the farm animals making a lot of noise on those nights. Oh,

900
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: you mean like animals do, like actual animals. Well, here's

901
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: the best part in that forest. One of the creatures

902
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: that is known to be in that forest, and I

903
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 1: am going to butcher this pronunciation, so please help me out.

904
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Is them jack deer. That's how I would say that

905
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: the mud jack deer, which is known for having a strange, loud,

906
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: shrill bark when it's startled. Kid you not, they call

907
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: it the barking deer. Yeah, I mean, elk make those

908
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: like really terrifying, like loud wine noises. Deer do something

909
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of similar sometimes. If you weren't used to it,

910
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: and it was in the middle of the night and

911
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: you were already a little creeped out, you're a yank.

912
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: You know, you live around there, you know, if you're

913
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: fresh and you know, fresh off the boat probably and

914
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: you're seeing weird lights, you hear a noise. Speaking of

915
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: speaking of strange animal noises, if you ever heard a

916
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: howler monkey, Yes, holy crap, that's a scary sound. Anyway,

917
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: that's off the subject, Off the subject totally. Onto the

918
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: subject is the next bit. We talked about radiation a

919
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. I said, I told you in the

920
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: story that Halt took the radiation detectors with him when

921
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: he was out and about in the woods. He reported

922
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of readings on the tape. The issue though,

923
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: is that even though he's taken these readings, he was

924
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: using and this is this is the model and a

925
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: n DASH PDR survey meter which detects evidently, it detects

926
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: gammon and beta radiation. The highest level reported by Halt

927
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: is seven tents, which when you translate that corresponds to

928
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: point zero seven. Again, I'm gonna have a hard time

929
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: with this word. Yeah, that word per hour, which is

930
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: the lowest reading on the bottom range of that meter,

931
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: which is also known as the point five scale. Oh

932
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: my gosh, you guys, there's zero present radiation here. It's

933
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: so high. Background radiation is everywhere. Yeah, and that's the

934
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: problem is background radiation. What they're picking up his background radiation.

935
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: But the radiation detector that he took with him was

936
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: not meant to pick up background radiation. It was meant

937
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: to be used around nuclear equipment. So it's normal base

938
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: reading should have been about ten times that. So it

939
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: wasn't a valid piece of equipment to be setting a

940
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: baseline of abnormality against. So there's a problem with what

941
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: he used. Yeah, absolutely, there's a problem with what he

942
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: found here because exactly radiation. So the next thing we've

943
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: got is in this whole mix up theory is the

944
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: lights in the sky. If you remember, at the beginning

945
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: of this, which has been a while now, we talked

946
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: about that there were lights in the sky and a

947
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of people, not at the base but just people

948
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: in the country were reporting lights in the sky. That's

949
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: why they initially went out to the forest, right, because

950
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: they were they only saw something. Yes, that's absolutely correct.

951
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. At nine o'clock on December PM in England,

952
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: the upper stage of a Russian rocket, which had evidently

953
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: launched the Cosmos seven four nine satellite, re entered the atmosphere.

954
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: That rocket broke up. Two people report over two people

955
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: reported this thing coming through the atmosphere. It came in

956
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: in six pieces, which then fragmented into over twenty pieces

957
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: that people watched streaming through the atmosphere that night. Then

958
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: at two forty five in the morning on the six AM,

959
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: a meteor was also recorded as coming into the atmosphere,

960
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: and witnesses said it was as bright as the moon

961
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: and was had an unusually long duration of three to

962
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: four seconds. Because shooting stars are usually they're gone and

963
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: they're high to really high. This one evidently burned hard,

964
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: came low and burned long. Yeah, that does happen. I

965
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: saw a fireball once when I was a teenager. Oh,

966
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of Yeah. You immediately kind of think like, no,

967
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: that's not that's nope, that's not No, that's too close.

968
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: It's burning. Yeah, it was. It was weird. Luckily I

969
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: was with some other people, because you know, otherwise I

970
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: would have doubted my sanity. But well, we're going, whoa man. Yeah, No,

971
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've experienced something similar, you know, just

972
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: during like meteor showers, even normal meteor showers. You see

973
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: that one and you're just is it a space alien

974
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: or no? No, it's fine. It's strange to watch them

975
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: when you can actually see them disintegrate. Yeah. So that's

976
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: there's one more piece to the mix up story. Remember

977
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: I talked about the m o D file all right.

978
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: Under the Freedom of Information Act in two thousand and one,

979
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: the m O D file was released. The m O

980
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: D file prove provided a whole bunch of internal correspondence

981
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: about the event and also oh oops, responses to media

982
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: requests about the incident. There was nothing there, which you know,

983
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 1: actually wonder why they held onto it for so long

984
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: that they have to they have to. Well what I

985
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: mean is that I I don't mean why because they're

986
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: the m o D and they don't disclose anything if

987
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: they don't have to. Yeah, it is and probably for

988
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: set for them again, it was more fun to just

989
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: sit back and watch the conspiracy. That's probably why I

990
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: will never be able to work for the government is

991
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: because I would do that. I would be like, oh, yeah,

992
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: you guys want this file sor it's classified, it's it's

993
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: People have gotten a little upset because this kind of

994
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: proves and the skeptics are pretty happy about it. It

995
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: proves the m o D never took this thing seriously,

996
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't do any investigations. You Yanks are idiots. Go home.

997
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: So that is the mix up theory. There's one final

998
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: theory and I know you can't believe this is still

999
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: going on. Devin has given me the we're not done yet.

1000
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: But there is one final theory, which is the whole

1001
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: thing was a hoax. Okay, that makes sense, I guess,

1002
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: or what it was a U. S Airman. There is

1003
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: a U. S Airman by the name of Kevin Condie's conde. Okay, well,

1004
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: he was also a security detail. He was also on

1005
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: security detail, just like Peniston and Burrows. And what he

1006
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: says is on the night that Halt and his men

1007
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: went out into the woods, he says, I drove my

1008
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: patrol car out of sight from the gatehouse, turned on

1009
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: the red and blue emergency lights, and pointed the white

1010
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: flashlights up through the mist into the air. He then

1011
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: supposedly drove around the edge of the forest to mess

1012
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: with his buddies, which I gotta tell you, I can

1013
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: actually see a military guy who's a young guy screwed

1014
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: with his buddies doing sounds the only the only thing

1015
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: about his story is he put out the story and

1016
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: then not too long after he retracted it. I would too,

1017
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I mean, like really truly, like

1018
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: I would too. Like if your bosses were like, oh, yeah,

1019
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: you're responsible for this. Hey, maybe that's not a great idea.

1020
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: Maybe we should just let everybody think it's aliens, like seriously,

1021
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: like you were just like gooping off on like company

1022
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: time with company material, like his report he gave it

1023
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: to the media. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, though, Is

1024
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: that like if he released it to the media and

1025
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: then his boss was like, so, really you're screwing around,

1026
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: he would be like, actually, yeah, maybe media just kidding.

1027
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: I was just kidding me. He released his report, it

1028
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: was like two thousand three or two thousand eight or something.

1029
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like even then, like if Langley called

1030
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: you up and was like, hey, maybe no, and he

1031
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, just kidding. See, that's the thing.

1032
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Lanely or the Air Force would have

1033
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 1: called up and said, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.

1034
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: I would could envision that more of them calling him

1035
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: and saying you need to retract that, and you need

1036
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: to do it now, or there's gonna be some negative repercussion.

1037
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: But I'm territorial and well no, my description is just

1038
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: like the way that I would say it. But why

1039
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: would they want him to retract it? I don't know,

1040
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: because it makes a jackass out of everybody in the

1041
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: US Air Force who was involved in this thing. So

1042
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: and it makes a jackass out of the US Air Force.

1043
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: Not the Air Force really, I mean, it's it's just

1044
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: it's just just a handful of guys on a on

1045
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: a base in Britain, that's true, but some of the

1046
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: parts make the whole, so one leads to the other.

1047
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's probably the lighthouse. What

1048
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: do you think, Joe, I'm leaning towards it. Maybe a

1049
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: combination of the lighthouse. It's in a prankster. It's always

1050
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: a possibility, and I personally just I have to lean

1051
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: towards the giant misunderstanding because of all the parts and pieces.

1052
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: So this is one of the fewer were completely divide,

1053
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: which is well, I think I think any of those

1054
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: those things, aside from the aliens zapping our new because

1055
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: I think they're funniest, I think it's good. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I think the I think the aliens want us to

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Speaker 1: nuke each other so that way they can move in

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Speaker 1: and you know, build new subdivisions here, new alien subdivisions,

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Speaker 1: have all this. If they if they like radioactive housing,

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Speaker 1: then yeah themselves. How do you know the aliens don't

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Speaker 1: like radiation? Maybe yeah, maybe That's what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: if they like radiation and they would just bomis themselves necessarily,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's they might they might have this thing

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Speaker 1: going where they feel like, well, we knew ourselves, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna feel kind of guilty. Oh my god, what is

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Speaker 1: happening right now? Yeah, that is okay, that's weird. Those

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Speaker 1: are our thoughts. That's all the theories. Let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: end this now before we get even farther down the

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Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Obviously, you're listening to this show right now,

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Speaker 1: and you have probably founded on iTunes, as the majority

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Speaker 1: of people do. When you're on iTunes, If you could

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Speaker 1: take the time to leave a comment and a rating,

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Speaker 1: that would be great. Helps other people find the show.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the not all of it, because there's

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Speaker 1: just so much of it, but a lot of a

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Speaker 1: number of research links are going to be on the website,

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Speaker 1: and you can also listen to this episode on the

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Speaker 1: website as well or any past episode. Website, of course,

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Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. If you wanna be

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Speaker 1: friends with us and you want to see any of

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Speaker 1: the other stuff that we put out, you can find

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Speaker 1: us on Facebook. So we've got the Facebook page and

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Speaker 1: we've got the Facebook group. We are also on Stitcher,

1084
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Speaker 1: so if you're on the go and you want to listen,

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Speaker 1: you can listen to us through Stitcher. We're also on

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Speaker 1: tune in and a number of the apps that are

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Speaker 1: out there. We also, though we don't use it a

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Speaker 1: whole lot, we have the Twitter account which is Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways so you can find us on Twitter. Oh and

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Speaker 1: I almost forgot. I just talked about the website and

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Speaker 1: it just dawned on me. Uh. There is a link

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Speaker 1: on the right hand side of the website for brief survey.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got a couple of minutes, if you

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Speaker 1: could take that survey, that would be great, great, would

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Speaker 1: you please? Yeah, we've all If you want to send

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Speaker 1: us an email because you've got a story, idea, you've

1097
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Speaker 1: got thoughts, you've got disagreements, you want to tell us

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Speaker 1: how awesome we are for you're an alien, Yeah, send

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Speaker 1: us an email. That email address is Thinking Sideways podcast

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And I believe that's all the

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Speaker 1: important details that are our lovely listeners need to need

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Speaker 1: to know. Is that you guys have any other Did

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Speaker 1: I miss anything here? Oh? I think we're good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think we're all right. I guess with that we

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Speaker 1: should probably wrap this up. Yez sort of going on

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Speaker 1: long good If you if you're a triangular alien spacecraft,

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Speaker 1: please contact us if you're listening in the future. Our

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Speaker 1: our email address will stay live forever. So if you're

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Speaker 1: finding us in the future and you are a time traveler,

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Speaker 1: if this is the year twenty three thousand, fifty two,

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Speaker 1: but that's one we'll have time travel right. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's a real date. Actually, I was contacted by

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Speaker 1: a guy from the future. But he told us that

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Speaker 1: thinking sideways is huge in the future. We are considered

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Speaker 1: we were almost like Aristotle and Socrates in the future. Okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you respond to that? The just shows you

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Speaker 1: how far the human race is going to degrade? All right, well,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a bad Kina Rees movie With that,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get out of here, so we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you next week. And thanks a lot, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen to the little strange things are afoot at

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Speaker 1: the Circle. K Dude,