WEBVTT - We Are Living In the Stupidest Time with Jemele Hill 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.520 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're eating 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.440 ice cream for breakfast, doing our most intense rage burning workout, 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.640 mobilizing to support the most vulnerable among us, and doing 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.639 whatever the hell else we need to do to make 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.680 it through today's inauguration. It's Monday, January twentieth, and on 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.720 today's show, we'll be talking to writer, author, podcast host, 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.040 and my personal career fairy godmother Jamel Hill about the 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.560 dumpster fire ahead, how a second Trump presidency could impact 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.280 the women's sports landscape, and how to hold space when 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.120 things get bleak. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.080 That conversation with Jamal is coming up right after this 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:39.839 joining us. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.280 She's a staff writer for the Atlantic, co founder of 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.640 Lodge Freeway Media, author of the memoir Uphill, host of 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.280 the new iHeart podcasts, politics, and host and executive producer 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.600 of the new sports magazine style show Above the Fold 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.440 on True TV. I was present for her first date 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.840 with her now husband. The pins we put in our 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.280 imaginary voodoo dolls are intended for the same person. She's 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.920 my career fairy godmother and one of my all time faves, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.120 and she's with us from Bora Bora. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.679 It's Jamel Hill. What's up, Jamel? 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.679 Everything is good. I mean, obviously I'm in Bora, Bora, 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.720 and I guess if you see the video of this, no, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.520 I have not been kidnapped and put in a beach sheck. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.560 So if everybody's wondered, like, what is the bamboo that 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.920 is behind you? That is? That is why. So yeah, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.520 you're the celebrate a friend's birthday, but always always happy 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:28.319 to take time for you. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.840 I appreciate it. I like how you went to kidnapped. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.680 I was like, you look like in your cabana having 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.080 a fruity drink. So I went positive on the visual 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.039 for that one. You have been a mentor to me, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.880 an inspiration and example a friend. I'm so glad you're 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.400 here today because we're recording this a few days ahead 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.400 of Monday, which we're bracing ourselves for. It's going to 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:50.520 be a tough day for a lot of us, and 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.840 I think we'll really benefit from hearing your wisdom and 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.000 your insight, your sense of humor, your ability to balance 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.520 all things in life as we steal ourselves for what's 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.240 to come. Before we get to that, I do want 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.800 to ask you about how you and your friends and 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.240 your house and everything are doing in LA. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.120 So you know, it is a very harrowing time, even 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.280 though obviously right now I'm not in LA, but I've 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.600 just been gone for a few days. And it's hard 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.040 to describe to people the level of anxiety because even 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.880 if you don't live in an area that has been 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:28.280 directly impacted, it's hard not to imagine all these doomsday 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.240 scenarios where you will be directly in that situation. You know, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.720 we live in an area. We're right on top of 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.480 Englewood and so we're very close to the airport. But 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.240 the heroing part for us is that we live right 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.800 by a state recreation area and also a huge oil field. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.320 And there was a fire that was put out as 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.000 the other fires were ranging that was less than five 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.880 miles from a house. It's probably three miles that would 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.720 probably be our guests. Thankfully the fire department, God blessed them. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.440 They put this out. They got on it quick, a 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.240 transformer blue. So far as we know, it was an arson, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.280 but that could have been extremely bad given the conditions 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.320 of the wind conditions and everything else. But everybody I 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.400 know that lives in LA knows somebody who lost their home. Everyone, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.760 And so that's how close it is to you. I 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.240 know people who've had to evacuate, I know people who've 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:24.280 lost their homes. So it's just really it's really a 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.040 dark time. And I can say what doesn't help is 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.120 that it actually it's made me more mindful and self aware, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.840 because certainly I have been guilty of chiming in on 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.760 disasters that are happening in other parts of the country 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.960 because I see people affected, I see people who are 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.080 suffering or that kind of thing, and so you automatically 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.720 want to rush jump in and say like, hey, this 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.360 is messed up, Hey whatever, whatever. And while certainly everybody's 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.080 allowed their opinions, I'm not saying that, but the level 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.480 of criticism and frankly you feel it is like the 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.600 level of hatred being directed at LA is crazy. I 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.360 need people to understand. And this is not to say 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.560 that they are just di biding their homes being lost either. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.120 If you're a celebrity and lost their house, those are 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.360 your things, those are your possessions. You're a human being, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.080 so I feel for them as well. But because the 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.480 narrative that only celebrities are losing their homes has been 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.200 the dominant narrative in the media. It has allowed you 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.280 see the disday that people have and there's like, who 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.360 gives about these rich people that lost their house? Let 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.440 me let me tell you the majority of people losing 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.520 their homes are not rich. They're not millionaires. There's beloved 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.960 communities Pasadena, Altadena, especially Altadena, this is a historically black 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.200 area where you have generations of black folks that have 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.880 been there that this was their American dream because a 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.719 lot of other places in Los Angeles. I know LA 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.479 has this sort of liberal narrative, but LA was just 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.320 as racist as a lot of cities in America, you know, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.680 when it came to migration patterns, and there was a 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.920 lot of places that would not rent or or allow 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.400 black people to own homes. So this was an area 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.559 that a lot of black folks settled and it became 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.520 their American dream. And that place is destroyed. And so, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.520 you know, people need to understand that it's not just 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.680 rich people losing things. And you know, people have this 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.600 whole idea of like Hollywood is as much love and 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.000 hatred for so feeling the hatred from certain parts of 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.160 the nation and certain people, and you know what I'm 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.839 talking about has been very tough to, it's been hard 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.760 because it just there's no empathy there for people, and 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.600 I'm like, man, this is kind of pocked up. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.400 Yeah, it's the pain of all the loss and the fear, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.120 combined with the hatred and the ridiculous idea that there 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.960 would be some sort of regulation on how much support 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.479 you would get based on whether you're agreeing with political 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.279 ideas as opposed to humanity coming through, and that's where 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.640 we send our help and our love, and also the 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.520 time it will take to rebuild. As someone who lived 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.599 in LA for six years, and I have lots of 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.280 friends who have been affected, including a few who lost 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.280 their homes, one who lost the rental home they were 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.440 in and the future home they were moving into, both 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.800 of them and all of the things they had. It 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.680 is a place that's full of all different kinds of 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.520 people and it's just going to take such a long 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.480 time and so many things are lost forever, and it's 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.680 really it's been really heartbreaking to watch. So I'm feeling 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.120 for you and feeling for all the people I know 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.080 out there, and it's part of what's been a very 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.440 inauspicious start to twenty twenty five from the violence in 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.440 New Orleans, to the fires in LA, to a different 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.920 kind of weather pattern in DC, which I'll just call 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.000 a shit storm. Is what we're seeing so far. We 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.839 are dealing with a lot. I always try to spend 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.159 things positive. I always try to find a way to 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.640 see the best in things. I'm trying not to presume 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.360 that this could potentially be the highest point of an 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.800 even deeper slide and we might just be facing these 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.599 things over and over again all year long. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:38.960 But it's hard to be positive right now. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.720 And I feel like you always seem to balance your 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.359 personal joy and your light inside with your coverage of 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:45.360 really tough topics. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.400 Do you have any tips or tricks for people on 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:49.640 how you manage to do that? 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.159 The biggest thing I've clung to because all those emotions 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.800 you just expressed, I felt the same way after the election. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.719 I was like everybody, that was my thought process, right. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.360 I am like, yo, man, I can't keep doing this 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.400 to myself, right, And I think a lot of people 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:15.800 who just were I think mostly we were invested in 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.120 turning the page. It felt like, dog, we have an 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.560 opportunity to turn this horrible page and get this man 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:26.440 about our lives forever. Let's do that. Okay. You might 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.360 have your issues. You might be like, I don't like this. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.560 Bigger picture is let's get this dude up out the 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.680 pay forever. We could argue about some shit later, all right, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.920 All up, we can argue about it later, all right. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.600 So that was sort of my main focus kind of 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.320 going into it, in addition to obviously the respect that 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.240 I have for the Vice president. Not perfect again, nobody, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.920 no politisic is gonna be perfect. I can take imperfections, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.600 but it's just a certain level of I don't know, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.200 just integrity I just need in this job. So at 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.000 any rate, you know, I felt that way, and I 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.720 literally I wanted to check out and for a few weeks, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.120 but I was just like, you know what, it just 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.000 it's gonna be what it's gonna be. I can't. I 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.360 can't get this invested only to feel this way, you know, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.000 when it's all over. But then I remember something, and 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.200 this is when I had to check myself and re 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.680 direct my energy and understand. History is such a great teacher, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.360 and we have to be mindful of the fact that 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.360 there are people who have faced really much more awful 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.400 circumstances than what we're looking at. Right now, it's bad, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.600 Like I'm not gonna pretend that it isn't. But then 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.240 I think about all the people, all the women, all 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.760 the people of color, all the black women who before 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.439 I ever was a thought bubble, how they fought what 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.720 they were up against, and they didn't even get to 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.839 fight from the position I'm in. I'm fighting this from 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.040 the position of somebody who's a media personality, who's been 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.560 able to write a book, who's been able to do 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.160 all these great things. They weren't fighting from that position. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.320 They didn't have shit, and they were still fighting and 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.520 invested every single time time, And so I felt like 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.880 I would be letting them down if I checked out. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:07.840 I was like, I can't do that. Harry Tubman, did 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:08.480 she check out? 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:08.839 No? 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:09.640 Check out? 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.680 Like she did not, And so I have to think 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.400 about it in those terms. And I know that seems 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.520 dramatic because obviously we're not still in slavery, But the 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.120 whole point is that, like if Harriet found a way, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.600 if she can look at the North Star, what am 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.720 I doing? Right? So I think all needs to remember 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.040 that is that there were you know, women or you know, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.640 even people that you admire in history that really fought 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.040 through some sludge, so we can preserve the fight today. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.760 And we have to remember it's a consistent battle. An 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.160 election is not lost in an election, it's not one. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.040 It's like every single step matters. And so that has 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.960 been my north star since I'm on some herriots. That 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.360 has been my north star throughout all of this is 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.640 just remembering the sacrifices that people have made, and even 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.360 the sacrifices of people that made in current times, not 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.920 just in the past. I have friends who are organizers. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.480 Organizers are the most positive people I have ever met 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.040 in my life, and I love them dearly because they 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.720 find a way to keep going all the time despite 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.480 tremendous setbacks. As seeing their energy, that's what inspired me. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.920 Organizers are the embodiment of this principle, this motto that 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.920 I hold. That's invincible summer, which is in the darkest 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.720 and coldest winters, I have within me an invincible summer. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.679 And I feel like those people somehow hang on to 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.040 hope no matter what's around them. They still are like, no, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.640 we can do this, no matter how many times they 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.360 get punched back. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.040 I love what you just said. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.040 It is so important to hang on to and remember, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.520 and I do not want to ruin it, but I 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.400 do want to tell you we are living in such 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.720 a stupid time that a Hollywood executive suggested that Julia 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.120 Roberts should play Harriet Tubman in a biopic, and then 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.840 when they said Harriet Tubman was black, the person said, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.760 it was so long ago, no one will know that. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.959 I just want you to know that we are dealing 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:55.320 in unprecedented times when it comes to freaking stupidity. So 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.800 I love your Harriet Tubman example, and I also just 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:58.800 want to remind us. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.479 Like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah? 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.600 Right, I mean, but I can't I can't excuse that 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.520 because I have seen that same story. Yeah, but you know, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.240 and I'm not champing. I'm not saying she should have 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.960 done it, but I say, wow, Julie Roberts, I love 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.840 her man ranged until she got ranged. Man, It's like 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.640 she might have voted off. I don't know, Like, no, 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.319 if they can't mix that in a romantic comedy. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.480 Type of way, yeah, Queen of the rom coms. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.240 Runaway Bride would have taken on a totally different meeting. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:29.800 That's all I know. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.679 That is so true. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.000 That is so true, and Honestly, Hugh Grant would make 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.160 a believable slave owner. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.360 So throw him in there's something. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.800 Run Away Bride but with slaves, and then see, I 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.160 can make that joke, Sarah can't. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.600 That's that's right. I mean, you have a production company. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.400 What are we waiting for. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.319 I mean, I'm saying this this now that I know 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.760 that we're doing that in Hollywood, and it's funny you 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.199 should say that because I just saw that the President 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.360 elect has now created because you know, the Party of 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.640 Small Government loves to create more government, and so he's 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.760 created a a Hollywood liaison. Oh no, oh yes, with 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.400 three favorites, John Boyd, Sylvester Stallone, and mel Gibson. They 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.560 will be They will be the Hollywood envoy too, to 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.240 bring back I guess, apparently to bring life back to Hollywood. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.560 So Donald Trump has appointed them to a made up office. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:20.880 Yeah. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.720 No, probably to prevent Marvel and Disney from putting black 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:24.640 people in their movies. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.560 That's probably the yes, so. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.240 Fully expect that when they do. You know, the story 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.120 of Laura Zillhurston or the story like there's gonna be 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.520 some white women like yeah, it's just it's what it is. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.920 Honestly, we'll be lucky if they do those stories at all, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.920 even with white women. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.440 So like, y'all really don't have to worry about black 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.920 people being in movies the next feur years. Like thankfully 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.560 Black Panther three has already been green lit, that's happening. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.680 That might be the most Black people y'all see in 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.280 any movie the next four years. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.280 And then maybe I don't know, Stacy dash big comeback 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.040 for her Now, I'm. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.840 Somewhere happy right now, Like, yes, I knew it would 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.840 come back. I knew it would. But you know, sir, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.400 it is hard to deny the fact that the level 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.120 of critical thinking is at a low point in this country, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:17.200 and that's that's my design. But even even still, even still, 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.920 I'm going to cling to the fact that despite then 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.120 we are living in, we are living in the stupidest 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.400 time we could ever possibly imagine. I'm going to cling 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.960 to the fight that the will of the people, the 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:35.560 real will of the people, will be heard and throughout Again, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.680 history has shown this throughout even darker times. And granted 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.080 they have ship like Twitter, they didn't have they didn't have. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.120 That misinformation the same way. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.080 Yeah, yeah, they didn't. They didn't have that, but I would. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.479 I will say that I think there's something in us 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.560 that will allow for a fight to happen. And so 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.040 if this is what the wake up call that sometimes 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.319 that people need, they do need a wake up call 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.439 sometimes to like, hey man, you can't just sit every 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.360 you can't sit shit out like we have to pay 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.640 attention all the time and know who's minding the store. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.880 So I'm hopeful that that will, that need for something 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.560 better will take over in this stupid moment. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.400 Yeah, it does feel like a bit of a cruel 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.560 joke that Trump's inauguration will happen on Martin Luther King 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.960 Junior Day. What are your plans for Monday? Are you 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.880 ignoring it? Are you hate watching it? Are you watching 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.200 do to work commitments? What's what's Monday looking like? 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.040 So but in a way, though, Sarah, if you look 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.880 at history, it's actually pretty on brand that this would 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.920 happen on the observed day of Martin Luther King Junior's birthday, 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.360 like it is the story of this nation. To be honest, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.080 is that you know, the hovering of white supremacy, the 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.160 ability for it to regenerate and reinvent has always been 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.560 a part of American history, and so we need in 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.720 some respects, we do need the reminder. We need the 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.240 reminder that, like, hey, everything we died he died for 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.680 we're still fighting for. Like we need that reminder to 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.080 bring it in the focus. But as for my personal plans, honestly, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.040 I really hadn't. I have a lot of work to 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.200 do Monday, I'll be doing that work, and I don't 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.720 really I didn't have any plans whatever to watch, to commentate, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.600 to really be invested in it. I guess having been 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.200 through this spend cycle before, you sort of know what 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.520 to expect. I'm just glad I know the bit DC 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.200 anymore and have to witness this up close. But no, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.680 I mean, I don't think it's something that we need 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.120 to It's gonna be triggering, but I don't think we 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:37.520 need to. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:39.240 Look. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.560 I would say to people, give yourself permission to say 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.000 I'm good, I'm good on that day, I'm taking that 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.000 day off, or I'm just not gonna ignore it or 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.560 pay attention to it. And sometimes, as you know, especially 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.600 in our positions and because of who we are and 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.520 because of the opinions that we have the fighters brought 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.840 to us, we will necessarily even have to engage. But 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.680 we don't have a thousand people sending us messages like 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.480 Trump is your president and all this. I'm like, what 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.040 do y'all think? I just want to ask those people 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.000 so much, like who do you think you're owning in 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.520 this situation? Because it's not me? 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.120 And I mean, why are you here? 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.720 Like the one star reviews on podcast that just say Trump. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.400 I'm like, but you're spending your time finding out that 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.840 I have a podcast, going to it, reading it, and 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.360 just writing Trump like who won? 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.200 Here? I'm living in your brain, like just go enjoy 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.560 the shit, Like. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.920 Yeah, don't enjoy that's your mans Go hey, go celebrate him, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:27.800 Like I stop with you. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.400 I agree with you that I was wrapped with attention 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.840 the entire last four years, feeling like I needed to 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.600 understand and know every single detail, out of fear, out 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.520 of curiosity, out of hoping that we would come to 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.360 our senses at various points throughout And now that it 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.360 has happened again with intention and the knowledge of what 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.960 happened last time, I just don't need to know every 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.760 single thing. I need to stay alert, I need to 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.240 stay informed. I don't need to watch this shit I 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.960 will not miss Carrie Underwood. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.640 My favorite meme from that. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:58.560 Has been the meme that was basically like, so to summarize, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.920 if he cheats Carrie underwe it will take a baseball 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.760 back to his car. But if he cheats and rapes, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.639 then she will sing at his inauguration. So yeah, that 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.120 about sums it up. So we won't be missing much 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.320 on Monday, but we will have to pay attention over 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.399 the next four years because we're all wondering and worrying 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.639 about what another Trump administration will do to everything. But 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.040 for the sake of this discussion investment and support for 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:27.000 women's sports, there are minor things like extending White House 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.560 invites to winning women's teams, to major things like Trump 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.560 wanting to dismantle the Department of Education, which enforces Title nine. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.360 What are your concerns about the next four years when 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.040 it comes to stunting this incredible growth that we've seen 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.719 over the last couple of years for women's sports. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.119 My biggest concern in general and is that there's no 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:53.160 guardrails because everything all his worst instincts. There's nobody to say, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.760 you know what you probably shouldn't right. There's there was 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.480 at least one person in the room to do that 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.479 before because they he had people in there who'd actually 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.440 had experience in government. But see now it's different. They're 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.359 people who sole purpose is to make sure his worst 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.320 fantasies come true. And so as it relates to women's sports, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.960 I don't think a lot of people understood that the 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.320 Department of Education is an enforcement office. Okay, and a 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.359 lot of the issues because I see it all the 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.560 time on social media, people are like cheering it on, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.200 destroy the Department of Education because those people don't realize 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.880 the states already run your education. Okay, they already do, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.160 so this whole idea of giving it back to the states, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.320 like the state born of education. They're in charge of 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.879 your curriculum, They're in charge of all those issues that 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.680 you have. And as someone who's a public school kid, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.320 I am heartbroken about this because the assault on public 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.680 education is real and this will have a very real 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.280 It already has had a real impact in sports the 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.600 way they tried to dismantle public education. Because notice now 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.440 when you look at where the top high school prospects 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 are coming from, Notice the schools they're coming from. It's 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.640 like they're not coming from a lot of the public 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.800 schools anymore. They're coming from academies, they're coming from private schools. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.879 And that is always the plan is to take the 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.520 best and the talented, weed them out, put them in 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.640 specialized situations, and leave behind everybody else. 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:15.120 You don't want. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.480 That is the entire idea. Now when it comes to 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.920