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Speaker 1: I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about a mystery. Yeah, this one's a little out
Speaker 1: of my norm. Although no, I guess that's not true,
Speaker 1: because the other thing that I like, other than like
Speaker 1: middle aged men who die under weird circumstances, is weird
Speaker 1: noises that we don't totally know what's going on with
Speaker 1: you do I have a pattern? It's true, It's it's
Speaker 1: still disturbing to me. Yeah, this one should be less
Speaker 1: disturbing because it doesn't have to do with random deaths.
Speaker 1: Perfect you don't know, I mean, it could be the
Speaker 1: sound of someone dying. I guess that's true. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the blue Oh yeah, you talked to
Speaker 1: us about this one. Yeah. And you know, every time
Speaker 1: you kind of go anywhere and think about you know,
Speaker 1: it's on all the lists, every single top ten mysteries
Speaker 1: that nobody can explain on our favorite like black background
Speaker 1: white text websites. Yes, that's it's one of the mysteries.
Speaker 1: So I thought we'd just talk about it. Well, why not,
Speaker 1: let's take it on all right. Um, there's this thing.
Speaker 1: It's called the SOCAS, which stands for the Sound Surveillance System.
Speaker 1: It's a chain of underwater listening posts located all around
Speaker 1: the world. Um, there's one in Cou's Bay, Oregon, which
Speaker 1: is like really close to us. Yeah, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a bunch up and down the Pacific, you know, they're
Speaker 1: all over the place, literally all over the place. And
Speaker 1: originally they were set up during the Cold War to
Speaker 1: listen for submarines and things like that. Since the Cold War,
Speaker 1: instead of just you know, getting rid of them and
Speaker 1: scrapping them, they decided that this would be a great
Speaker 1: thing to use as a research tool to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't explored a lot of undersea anything,
Speaker 1: so being able to listen at least to the undersea
Speaker 1: world seemed like a good idea. I know it is, actually,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, I saw that in one of
Speaker 1: those articles, and yeah, the Navy still uses They didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't turn it over to private use. They just
Speaker 1: let a lot of access to the data. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's great. Um. One of the
Speaker 1: arrays is called the Equatorial Pacific Ocean Autonomous Hydrophone Array. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're welcome. Can't even hardly say it once fast. So
Speaker 1: this sound array is located in a remote point in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean that's just west of the southern tip
Speaker 1: of South America. They talk about it being in proximity
Speaker 1: to Chile a lot. Okay, yeah, okay, I got a
Speaker 1: reference for that all right in the source has picked
Speaker 1: up a sound that's referred to as one of the
Speaker 1: loudest sounds ever to be recorded by a lot of sources.
Speaker 1: Most of those are not particularly reputable sources, but they're
Speaker 1: pretty interesting sources. And we call it the bloop because
Speaker 1: it sounds like a bloop. Did you guys want to
Speaker 1: hear it? Okay? I have two versions of it. One
Speaker 1: is the version which it's only ever officially been released in,
Speaker 1: which is sped up sixteen times. So well, listen to
Speaker 1: that one. First does sound like a blue Well, it
Speaker 1: sounds like a giant way I just sort of. And
Speaker 1: then the second one, but we'll listen to is it's
Speaker 1: just the little bit we're talking about, but it's been
Speaker 1: slowed down from the released sixteen sped time sped up version. Wait,
Speaker 1: so let me just let me make sure I get
Speaker 1: this right in my head, because this is this is
Speaker 1: a word problem. So it's released, it's sixteen times, it's
Speaker 1: the original recorded speed, yes, and then somebody else has
Speaker 1: gone ahead and taken it slowed it back down. So
Speaker 1: what this is like? Uh, somebody releases a picture and
Speaker 1: it's zoomed really really far in and somebody says, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I want to zoom this picture out a little bit
Speaker 1: so I can kind of see what it might have
Speaker 1: actually been supposed to be about. But you've only got
Speaker 1: so many pixels it's gonna it's gonna be grating. So
Speaker 1: the sound quality on this one is grating. So the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to give that disclaimer was because you know,
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be metallic. It's supposed to just
Speaker 1: be more of significant of the duration of it. And um,
Speaker 1: it's totally possible. And I don't know the answer to this.
Speaker 1: They probably changed the sound range that it's in because
Speaker 1: it's really low frequency range, so I don't know, to
Speaker 1: my own discredit, I don't know what the human ear
Speaker 1: can hear. And actually that might have been the reason
Speaker 1: for changing the sound range, because it didn't sound that
Speaker 1: much lower in frequency in the in the slowed down
Speaker 1: version of it, and what you would think that it
Speaker 1: would be if you slowed it down that far, it
Speaker 1: should be much much lower and pitched. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what the situations, what kind of adjustments were done,
Speaker 1: but I do know, Um, the bloop rises quote rises
Speaker 1: lap rapidly in frequency over about one minute and was
Speaker 1: a sufficient amplitude to be heard on multiple sensors, which
Speaker 1: ranged from over five thousand kilometers away. That's a little
Speaker 1: bit of distance. That's a big, big distance. So for
Speaker 1: kind of a frame of reference. One of the things
Speaker 1: they talked about is that a blue whale or a
Speaker 1: humpback whale is the loudest recorded aquatic mammal ever their
Speaker 1: songs um and the lot of the biggest distance whale
Speaker 1: sound has ever traveled is eight hundred kilometers, so this
Speaker 1: is what like little five times more. Okay, that's that's
Speaker 1: really loud. So it's really loud, but lower frequency, little
Speaker 1: frequency sound ways traveled further in the ocean too. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's true. So the analysis initially concluded that it was
Speaker 1: not a man made noise, so it wasn't bomb or
Speaker 1: something some kind of machinery or something weird you know,
Speaker 1: tip yeah, or anything like that, Nor was it consistent
Speaker 1: with any kind of geological activity, like there wasn't an
Speaker 1: underground earthquake that had happened or volcano erupting or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Loud, right and travel far, but they said
Speaker 1: that the sound wasn't consistent with that, and the record
Speaker 1: of geological activity was also not consistent with that. At
Speaker 1: that time. So there's this guy named Dr Fox when
Speaker 1: he was in charge of analyzing this stuff, and he
Speaker 1: said initially he said it might be an ice shift,
Speaker 1: and then later he updated his opinion to say it
Speaker 1: was probably of animal origin. But again, we've talked about
Speaker 1: how big a thing would need to be to create
Speaker 1: a noise that loud. If a humpback whale, which are giant,
Speaker 1: only creates you know, eight d kilometers unless unless it
Speaker 1: was a somewhat small sound was closer to the to
Speaker 1: the hydrophones. Well, so the thing about that was is
Speaker 1: that it was recorded at that kind of similar frequency
Speaker 1: just you know, thousands of kilometers apart just one Mike.
Speaker 1: It was a bunch of Mike's recording a super loud
Speaker 1: noise that were really far away from each other, you know.
Speaker 1: And I remember reading in one of the articles that
Speaker 1: I found, they were talking about that if it was
Speaker 1: an animal that had made that noise, it would have
Speaker 1: to be an order of magnitude larger than a whale,
Speaker 1: or at least be something that had some crazy huge
Speaker 1: sound making apparatus in its bodies on the way to
Speaker 1: say it's got he's got to have some kind of
Speaker 1: crazy vocal chamber. Nothing is built with that, I mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Well, it's kind of like the aquatic version
Speaker 1: of the Howler monkey. Yeah, maybe maybe there are such
Speaker 1: things that it could be. But if that was the case,
Speaker 1: and they used to be getting picked up on hydrophones
Speaker 1: all of it all the time. And that's the other
Speaker 1: big question mark about this is that it's the only
Speaker 1: time that a sound like this has recorded. Actually, but
Speaker 1: addressing the whole issue of this is the only time,
Speaker 1: I mean, most of most of those sound recordings there's
Speaker 1: there's sometimes listened to in real time by by navy guys,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is just saved. It's just
Speaker 1: saved a hard drives, saved the tapes whatever, and later analyzed.
Speaker 1: And so is it possible as anybody actually made a
Speaker 1: concerted effort to go through the record and see if
Speaker 1: there are analyzed to see if there are similar noises,
Speaker 1: and just because it's such a loud anomaly, and actually
Speaker 1: they are five other sounds that are they're all classified
Speaker 1: as unidentified sounds that have been recorded by these arrays
Speaker 1: around the world that I'd love to also kind of
Speaker 1: talk about a little it in conjunction with the plunk
Speaker 1: and actually it's um, it's the Julia, the Train, the slowdown,
Speaker 1: the whistle, and the up sweep, and they're they're all released.
Speaker 1: So we should just like listen to each one of
Speaker 1: them who comes up with these names. Well you'll listen
Speaker 1: to them and you'll hear why they're Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So here's the Julia. Do you hear how it kind
Speaker 1: of sounded like a muffled Julia's almost something. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: definitely a weird noise. I mean, you know, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. I'm okay, what's calling it? Julia? I don't
Speaker 1: So Julia was heard on March on in the same
Speaker 1: general location as the Blue was heard. Okay, so the
Speaker 1: next one is the Train, which was heard on March five,
Speaker 1: which was the same year that the Blue was heard
Speaker 1: um in the raw Sea near Cape Andrea, Antarctica. So
Speaker 1: the n O A A, which are the only people
Speaker 1: who released these recordings, only released them at sixteen times
Speaker 1: sped up of any anomaly. What are they trying to hide?
Speaker 1: I think it's that's just like the Witching Hour for
Speaker 1: all these that like they actually sound like they don't
Speaker 1: really sound like much of anything that their actual, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like it's really long drawn out whatever.
Speaker 1: So the next one is the slowdown. The slowdown was
Speaker 1: heard May couple of hundred miles north of Easter Island.
Speaker 1: Now that one sounds like Julia. Actually, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a have you ever been in a subway and you
Speaker 1: hear the train coming and it slows down? That's exactly
Speaker 1: been the train. Should have called that the subway train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I get the train, I hear the whistle, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: except for the next one. It's called the whistle. And
Speaker 1: where did the whistle come from from? J um And
Speaker 1: it's just southwest of Mexico City. It's like a couple
Speaker 1: hundred miles southwest of that. The whistle to me just
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like wind. It does sounds a little
Speaker 1: weird underwater, right like I understand, but it just kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like that's probably just a fast current over
Speaker 1: a hydrophone, a lot of hydrophones. And then there's one
Speaker 1: more and it's called the up sweep and it was
Speaker 1: recorded on August slightly southwest of New Zealand. That, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was like being in a swamp with frogs.
Speaker 1: What this one's called the up Sweep, but it's in
Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean, in between New Zealand and Antarctica.
Speaker 1: So these all happened in the all in the southern
Speaker 1: hemisphere right between. Yeah, and you know, I guess the
Speaker 1: thing is is that not all of them, actually half
Speaker 1: of them are close to Antarctica, but half of them
Speaker 1: are kind of spread out through the rest of the ocean,
Speaker 1: more close to the equator and things like that, So
Speaker 1: they're kind of all over the place, all right. So
Speaker 1: there are a couple of theories here. One, of course, animal.
Speaker 1: We've kind of talked about it a little bit, that
Speaker 1: it would be the vocalization of some kind of living organism,
Speaker 1: which still seems it would have to be a big
Speaker 1: living organism, like really big, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: because I swear in the research when we were going
Speaker 1: through things, I swear I saw something that one of
Speaker 1: the one of the articles was talking about. Like I
Speaker 1: said before, it would have to have something that just
Speaker 1: had some huge noise making chamber on it, or it
Speaker 1: was potentially something that lived super far down where the
Speaker 1: water is a denser and be colder so that the
Speaker 1: sound travels farther yea, so those are actually those were
Speaker 1: absolutely the two kind of theories. One was that it
Speaker 1: was a sort of like a giant squid type thing
Speaker 1: using um like kind of a gas filled sack and
Speaker 1: that it would have like exploded or whatever. So that
Speaker 1: was one theory. And then the other theory was that
Speaker 1: it would have been something that was really that was
Speaker 1: a deep dweller, but this would have been like really
Speaker 1: uncomfortably shallow area for something like that to be existing.
Speaker 1: These microphones are not particularly deep down well. And and
Speaker 1: first again because these just sped up sixteen times, so
Speaker 1: the original sound would be very very low frequency, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't it's hard to imagine any
Speaker 1: animal that could actually usefully use such a low frequency
Speaker 1: For example, your perception of this sound. How big would
Speaker 1: your ear drum have to be to pick up something
Speaker 1: that low and frequency if you're trying to communicate using
Speaker 1: sounds like that, I suppose, but I guess you know,
Speaker 1: the argument is that it may not be the sound,
Speaker 1: but the vibration that's important, vibration that that noise makes,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what kind of vibrations. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't have a way to imagine that because we hear
Speaker 1: in the air, not underwater. But then again, if you
Speaker 1: you know, we've all been swimming, you've been underwater, and
Speaker 1: you've heard things and they're very muffled. High frequencies really
Speaker 1: get dropped down underwater. So it would make sense theoretically
Speaker 1: that lower frequencies would be a better form of communication
Speaker 1: because you can do them up easier. Yeah, I mean definitely.
Speaker 1: And and that's another thing about these sounds is that
Speaker 1: they're inherently distorted by the distances because because higher higher frequencies,
Speaker 1: and if you have if you have any particular events,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be high and low frequencies, like take let's
Speaker 1: take an explosion for example, there's gonna be low frequency
Speaker 1: and high frequency parts of that whole thing. But in
Speaker 1: the water, the high frequency part of that is going
Speaker 1: to be attenuated by the distance. Only the low frequency
Speaker 1: part is going to carry through the entire way to
Speaker 1: the hydrophone. So we're not you know, so we're just
Speaker 1: hearing a bit of this sound and now not necessarily
Speaker 1: actual representation of right. So on top of the animal theory,
Speaker 1: also is the theory is actually what about the trip
Speaker 1: of Chabra one? No, well, listen the Casula theory. If
Speaker 1: we can suspend disbelief enough to say Casu is real
Speaker 1: this instant, it only happened one thousand, seven hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty kilometers away from the location of the sunken city
Speaker 1: where Cathulu was imprisoned. Can nope? Can you? I cannot
Speaker 1: show No, I can't. I'm not even sure that we're
Speaker 1: pronouncing correctly. Who knows I mean in his language for
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't know who is Oh, Cathulu is a
Speaker 1: mythical beast written about by HP Lovecraft. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: just want to make sure everybody gets on board so
Speaker 1: they know what we're talking about. This isn't just a
Speaker 1: random term because we tend to almost do that. We
Speaker 1: do sometimes it's true. So you know, I think that
Speaker 1: if we can get to the point of Cthulhu is real,
Speaker 1: that's a totally viable theory because he lives like not
Speaker 1: very far away. He's giant, right, he could totally swim
Speaker 1: that far. It wouldn't It would be like no thing
Speaker 1: for him. And you know, he's just exploring, so he's
Speaker 1: just checking out his hood. Yeah, and he he would
Speaker 1: definitely fit the ill of a creature that's can make
Speaker 1: that kind of noise and travel that kind of distance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see this. I don't I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just suspend my disbelief of Cthulhu for the moment and say, yes,
Speaker 1: you're right. It would be a large enough creature to
Speaker 1: get away with making that noise. So if if Cthulhu
Speaker 1: is real, it was Cthulhu, But Becauthulu isn't real. Probably
Speaker 1: that's as far as I'm aware. Unfortunately, unless he is. Unless,
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go, okays be so again more We're
Speaker 1: just gonna like delve deeper and deeper into the weird
Speaker 1: outlandish theories. Yes, the next weird outlandish theory is Mermaids.
Speaker 1: I this can I can I stop for a second
Speaker 1: and just everybody, including our listeners. I was reading this
Speaker 1: story and going through this, and I got so excited
Speaker 1: I threw my arms in the air and I shouted
Speaker 1: in my house. It's Cathulhu in the Killer Mermaids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I think is a great band name. Did Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean mermaid voices are kind of high pitched. You know.
Speaker 1: They had that sirens song thing that they used to
Speaker 1: marriners to their death or something like that I don't
Speaker 1: think there's the sirens anyway, so I forget that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but they don't have that those kind of deep streaty voices.
Speaker 1: So it was mermaids. No, no, no, you only you
Speaker 1: have to assume. And I think this is fair that
Speaker 1: they built an enormous gong and they were wapping it
Speaker 1: with their tails in Unison. Well, so that actually is
Speaker 1: that brings up my biggest problem with the mermaid theory,
Speaker 1: aside from the like mermaids exist part right, is that
Speaker 1: mermaids are ostensibly about human size, and if a humpback
Speaker 1: whale can't make a noise loud enough to travel more
Speaker 1: than eight hundred kilometers, how's a mermaid gonna do it?
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe some kind of technology, But then why
Speaker 1: aren't we picking up like way more of these things? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a problem with that one to me.
Speaker 1: So okay, next outlandish awesome theory is that it was
Speaker 1: trans dimensional travel entering or leaving our dimension deep blow
Speaker 1: the sea? What what? What is that based on? You know,
Speaker 1: I think the theory that if you were going to
Speaker 1: travel trans dimensionally, it would rip a loud whole in
Speaker 1: whatever fabric of time space we have and that might
Speaker 1: be allowed thing. Okay, but that's literally all that's all
Speaker 1: you found. That's all I found. Okay. So there's that.
Speaker 1: Traveling a little back into the more valid theories are well,
Speaker 1: a few um that it would be what's called a
Speaker 1: U s O an unidentified submerged object, so like a UFO, right,
Speaker 1: but it's a U s S aentually aliens of alien
Speaker 1: of nature or some black ops sub that we don't
Speaker 1: know about that's being tested. My next theory, which is
Speaker 1: Soviet Russia. Oh so specifically Soviet Russia doing what exactly. No,
Speaker 1: I you know, it probably wasn't Soviet right in the nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were kind of gone by that time. But you
Speaker 1: know it could have been a bomb. I mean, it
Speaker 1: probably wasn't. The analysis says it wasn't. But those people
Speaker 1: are also paid by the Navy. True Navy saying no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound anything like a bomb. You guys are crazy,
Speaker 1: But it was actually a bomb detonating that would be
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the place in the sea where
Speaker 1: you would want to detonate a bomb. There's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of well, you know, that is one thing
Speaker 1: that arena and have to assume The Soviets that the Russians,
Speaker 1: excuse me, have been a bit experimenting around with is
Speaker 1: active sonar, and we've had active sonar for many decades,
Speaker 1: but submarines don't actually use it. It's been because because
Speaker 1: it gives away your position. And well, active sonar is
Speaker 1: when whenever you're watching the movies or TV and they
Speaker 1: show a submarine and you hear that noise. Active sonar
Speaker 1: and so active centers when you send out a burst
Speaker 1: of energy and it can be generated by your sonar,
Speaker 1: electronic la or can be generated by an explosion and
Speaker 1: they can echo that way, but active energy and then
Speaker 1: you get a return signal and that allows you to localize,
Speaker 1: you know, your opponent another submarine. Typically submarines don't use that.
Speaker 1: They use passive center, which is they only use their
Speaker 1: hydrophones and they never use their active center because it
Speaker 1: will give away your position. It's like looking for somebody
Speaker 1: in the dark field in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: with a flashlight. They're going to see your flashlight long
Speaker 1: before your flashlight picks them up. And so the problem
Speaker 1: with passes sonar, it's have been very effective, it's used
Speaker 1: not only by submarines, but also by the socist nets
Speaker 1: to to detect all kinds of objects out there. But
Speaker 1: the problem is that submarines are getting much quieter, and
Speaker 1: they're they're not they're now considering the problem of how
Speaker 1: do we if they get to the point where our
Speaker 1: hydrophones can't reliably pick up enemy subs, how are we
Speaker 1: going to find them? And so they're they're returning to
Speaker 1: the idea of active sonar. The idea would be very
Speaker 1: powerful active sonars in your own submarine or uh an
Speaker 1: energy source that's not actually localized in your submarine that
Speaker 1: transmits a lot of energy and basically it's like setting
Speaker 1: off a flash like a flash bowlb in a in
Speaker 1: a huge dark room. You know, they get this big
Speaker 1: flash of energy and suddenly it's all illuminated and you
Speaker 1: can see who's there. And so they have been experimenting
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff. So it insconceivable that we
Speaker 1: were talking some sort of like massive active sonar experimenting.
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Yeah, that if that somebody just
Speaker 1: miscalculated where all these microphones were right, and they just
Speaker 1: the plan that it would be able to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that would make sense if it if it
Speaker 1: were giant and it went off, that would hit all
Speaker 1: of those mics at about the same time. It would
Speaker 1: be really fast. Okay, I'm sing into this theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. And here I thought I had to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm sorry, okay, but I mean it's like,
Speaker 1: you know again, it's like I had no idea the
Speaker 1: exact strength of when with their active soner experiments that
Speaker 1: the Navy has been doing, the exact strength of the
Speaker 1: signal they've been sending out. Uh, something that massive would
Speaker 1: would send what you know, it's hard to say if
Speaker 1: you could if there's a point of sending sending out
Speaker 1: something that huge, because after all, you know, you're not
Speaker 1: trying to identify targets a thousand miles away, You're trying
Speaker 1: to identify targets, you know, miles away. You know, if
Speaker 1: that even? Do you guys have any theories you want
Speaker 1: to talk about before I dropped the bomb on this,
Speaker 1: all right, An, I'm sorry to tell you I've brought
Speaker 1: a mystery that they're pretty sure resolved. They're pretty sure there. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that it's these people
Speaker 1: who are in charge of these systems covering things up. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to go the conspiracy theoryst route, which
Speaker 1: at this podcast we try to keep an open mind
Speaker 1: to all possibilities. You know, the people who are telling
Speaker 1: us what has happened here are also the people who
Speaker 1: are in charge of telling us everything that's happening. And
Speaker 1: the Navy is paying them and intelligence agencies are paying them,
Speaker 1: and there could be you know, as Joe was just saying,
Speaker 1: it could have been a massive stone ar blast something
Speaker 1: like that. But there's this guy named Robert Dazak. He's
Speaker 1: a seismologist at the Oregon State University, but he also
Speaker 1: works for the n O a A. And he said
Speaker 1: the bloop was an ice quake. Yeah, is that like?
Speaker 1: So is it like instead of tectonic sheets shifting, it's
Speaker 1: ice sheets shifting and grinding against one another. Okay. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing is that Julia was an iceberg that
Speaker 1: ran aground in Antarctica. The train was probably generated by
Speaker 1: really large iceberg grounding in the raw sea. The slow
Speaker 1: down was moving ice in Antarctica. The whistles hard. It
Speaker 1: was detected off you know, kind of more in the
Speaker 1: Northern Pacific area, and they don't have an ice related
Speaker 1: theory for it, although we were listening to it and
Speaker 1: it just does kind of sound like wind, like a
Speaker 1: high current or something like that. Although one would assume
Speaker 1: that this is what these people listen to all the
Speaker 1: time if it were just the current the up sweep,
Speaker 1: it turns out they hear a lot and it's seasonal
Speaker 1: and they think it's I smelt all right, So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and rail against this
Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, all but one of
Speaker 1: these so far that we've gone over, we're all detected
Speaker 1: in the southern hemisphere, right, yeah, okay, do socis is
Speaker 1: in the northern hemisphere as well, And we only heard
Speaker 1: these things so far, it's about five six times. But
Speaker 1: iceburgs do stuff and I shifts constantly, So why have
Speaker 1: we not heard these before and continue to hear them,
Speaker 1: and why aren't they in the north. So that that's
Speaker 1: that's my problem, because I read the I read the
Speaker 1: ice theory and and it was Okay, it's justifiable. It
Speaker 1: makes sense. I can I can see it being a
Speaker 1: viable solution, except it only happens in one hemisphere, and
Speaker 1: it's only been recorded in these couple of times. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't you know that it's a valid point, but
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know exactly which a raise researchers
Speaker 1: have been granted access to, maybe not necessarily all of them.
Speaker 1: So researchers don't have access to everything that so picks up.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? It's my impression is that they do
Speaker 1: have access to all that stuff. But I will say
Speaker 1: that apparently that they have picked up sounds really spectrographically
Speaker 1: similar to the bloop quite allowed, but similar in their
Speaker 1: range and tone and all that stuff. You know, they've
Speaker 1: been doing this constantly. I mean, you know, in the
Speaker 1: in two thousand they picked one up that was near
Speaker 1: Georgia and they actually got to watch the iceberg like
Speaker 1: sink into right where the array was, and you know,
Speaker 1: they seemed to kind of be picking this stuff up.
Speaker 1: The only thing is is that the magnitude is ginormous
Speaker 1: compared to what they pick up usually. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it was just a really big iceberg. I guess
Speaker 1: I could see if it was a series of abnormally
Speaker 1: warm seasons and things are starting to shear for some
Speaker 1: and I hate to say it, but global warming is
Speaker 1: the term everybody throws out but if there's some temperature
Speaker 1: fluctuations going on, and okay, I can see that being possible,
Speaker 1: but it's just seems weird to me that we suddenly
Speaker 1: had so many in such a short period of time
Speaker 1: and they've never really heard it before. That's you know,
Speaker 1: it was a question mark for me. You know. But
Speaker 1: if you if you think about a large number of
Speaker 1: arrays and and massive amounts of years of data, and
Speaker 1: you have to set through the data because this is
Speaker 1: not something that the Navy is not going to pick
Speaker 1: this stuff up, probably because they're not listening at these
Speaker 1: incredibly low frequencies. You know, they're listening for the sounds
Speaker 1: of submarines and stuff like that. So it might be
Speaker 1: the stuff that's been going on for years, and the
Speaker 1: Navy guys who've been listening to it for all this time,
Speaker 1: I haven't really picked up on it because they're not
Speaker 1: really interested in those frequencies. And you know, I'm about
Speaker 1: to ask something really horribly silly, but when did the
Speaker 1: Cold War finally end? Uh? I think so in the
Speaker 1: first sound that we have that was recorded was a
Speaker 1: nice to anyone, which would have been about when they
Speaker 1: were getting around to actually getting to use these are raised, right,
Speaker 1: it's andy and and I mean, you know, the war
Speaker 1: doesn't end and then eat They're like, actually, let's give
Speaker 1: the scientists all this data. You know it takes a
Speaker 1: year or two. Yeah, but it's it all. All this
Speaker 1: has happened around the you know, the turn of the century,
Speaker 1: and we is there anymore that they've talked about that
Speaker 1: have happened in recent years? And maybe that's because they
Speaker 1: haven't had enough time to sift through all that data.
Speaker 1: Is Joe was saying, But you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound, you know, as if I'm throwing
Speaker 1: a conspiracy, but it just it seems hinky to me
Speaker 1: that that's the exact answer that we've got. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: The thing to add on to that is that this
Speaker 1: guy Dr Fox right, he said, yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was a nice quake, and then he said, oh no,
Speaker 1: actually it's a is an animal. And then a bunch
Speaker 1: of other people were like, no, it's a nice quake. No,
Speaker 1: it's totally a nice quake. No, dude, dude, it's an
Speaker 1: ice quaked. Who knows what they're Is it possible? The
Speaker 1: Dr Fox and all these other people, their servants up
Speaker 1: to Tolu and yeah, they're helping to cover up it
Speaker 1: could be the cover up here absolutely right. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but my my answer to here to which is a
Speaker 1: valid point that you may, but my answer would be
Speaker 1: that that's just they haven't maybe gotten around of sifting
Speaker 1: through that data yet, and they might not have been
Speaker 1: given access to some of the northern hydrophone networks too.
Speaker 1: That's my big question. Yeah, you don't know what you
Speaker 1: don't know what networks they've been allowed to get data from.
Speaker 1: And you're right, you're you're right on that. It's just still,
Speaker 1: like I said, something smells a tad off. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that it's not the right answer. He just
Speaker 1: not everything is there for me to put the fossils together.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm not convinced. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure at least one of our listeners is, you know,
Speaker 1: working for the Navy and listening on the Socist network,
Speaker 1: so you know, if you know what Socist arrays civilians
Speaker 1: being allowed access to and which ones they're not, please
Speaker 1: Cloe us in. Yeah, that'd be awesome, that'd be great. Well,
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