1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: think you never know stories of things we simply don't 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: know the answer to. Hi, welcome to Thinking Sideways the podcast. 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and we're here to 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: talk about a mystery. Yeah, this one's a little out 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of my norm. Although no, I guess that's not true, 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: because the other thing that I like, other than like 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: middle aged men who die under weird circumstances, is weird 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: noises that we don't totally know what's going on with 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: you do I have a pattern? It's true, It's it's 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: still disturbing to me. Yeah, this one should be less 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: disturbing because it doesn't have to do with random deaths. 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Perfect you don't know, I mean, it could be the 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: sound of someone dying. I guess that's true. So we're 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the blue Oh yeah, you talked to 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: us about this one. Yeah. And you know, every time 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: you kind of go anywhere and think about you know, 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: it's on all the lists, every single top ten mysteries 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: that nobody can explain on our favorite like black background 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: white text websites. Yes, that's it's one of the mysteries. 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: So I thought we'd just talk about it. Well, why not, 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: let's take it on all right. Um, there's this thing. 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: It's called the SOCAS, which stands for the Sound Surveillance System. 37 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: It's a chain of underwater listening posts located all around 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: the world. Um, there's one in Cou's Bay, Oregon, which 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: is like really close to us. Yeah, there's a there's 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: a bunch up and down the Pacific, you know, they're 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: all over the place, literally all over the place. And 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: originally they were set up during the Cold War to 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: listen for submarines and things like that. Since the Cold War, 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: instead of just you know, getting rid of them and 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: scrapping them, they decided that this would be a great 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: thing to use as a research tool to kind of 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, we haven't explored a lot of undersea anything, 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: so being able to listen at least to the undersea 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: world seemed like a good idea. I know it is, actually, 50 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, I saw that in one of 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: those articles, and yeah, the Navy still uses They didn't 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: they didn't turn it over to private use. They just 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: let a lot of access to the data. Yeah, yeah, 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: I think I think that's great. Um. One of the 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: arrays is called the Equatorial Pacific Ocean Autonomous Hydrophone Array. Yes, 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: you're welcome. Can't even hardly say it once fast. So 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: this sound array is located in a remote point in 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean that's just west of the southern tip 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: of South America. They talk about it being in proximity 60 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: to Chile a lot. Okay, yeah, okay, I got a 61 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: reference for that all right in the source has picked 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: up a sound that's referred to as one of the 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: loudest sounds ever to be recorded by a lot of sources. 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: Most of those are not particularly reputable sources, but they're 65 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: pretty interesting sources. And we call it the bloop because 66 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like a bloop. Did you guys want to 67 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: hear it? Okay? I have two versions of it. One 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: is the version which it's only ever officially been released in, 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: which is sped up sixteen times. So well, listen to 70 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: that one. First does sound like a blue Well, it 71 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: sounds like a giant way I just sort of. And 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: then the second one, but we'll listen to is it's 73 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: just the little bit we're talking about, but it's been 74 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: slowed down from the released sixteen sped time sped up version. Wait, 75 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: so let me just let me make sure I get 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: this right in my head, because this is this is 77 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: a word problem. So it's released, it's sixteen times, it's 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: the original recorded speed, yes, and then somebody else has 79 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: gone ahead and taken it slowed it back down. So 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: what this is like? Uh, somebody releases a picture and 81 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: it's zoomed really really far in and somebody says, oh, well, 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: I want to zoom this picture out a little bit 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: so I can kind of see what it might have 84 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: actually been supposed to be about. But you've only got 85 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: so many pixels it's gonna it's gonna be grating. So 86 00:04:53,960 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: the sound quality on this one is grating. So the 87 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: reason I wanted to give that disclaimer was because you know, 88 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be metallic. It's supposed to just 89 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: be more of significant of the duration of it. And um, 90 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: it's totally possible. And I don't know the answer to this. 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: They probably changed the sound range that it's in because 92 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: it's really low frequency range, so I don't know, to 93 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: my own discredit, I don't know what the human ear 94 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: can hear. And actually that might have been the reason 95 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: for changing the sound range, because it didn't sound that 96 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: much lower in frequency in the in the slowed down 97 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: version of it, and what you would think that it 98 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: would be if you slowed it down that far, it 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: should be much much lower and pitched. So I don't 100 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: know what the situations, what kind of adjustments were done, 101 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: but I do know, Um, the bloop rises quote rises 102 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: lap rapidly in frequency over about one minute and was 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: a sufficient amplitude to be heard on multiple sensors, which 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: ranged from over five thousand kilometers away. That's a little 105 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: bit of distance. That's a big, big distance. So for 106 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: kind of a frame of reference. One of the things 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: they talked about is that a blue whale or a 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: humpback whale is the loudest recorded aquatic mammal ever their 109 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: songs um and the lot of the biggest distance whale 110 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: sound has ever traveled is eight hundred kilometers, so this 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: is what like little five times more. Okay, that's that's 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: really loud. So it's really loud, but lower frequency, little 113 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: frequency sound ways traveled further in the ocean too. Sure, 114 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: that's true. So the analysis initially concluded that it was 115 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: not a man made noise, so it wasn't bomb or 116 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: something some kind of machinery or something weird you know, 117 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: tip yeah, or anything like that, Nor was it consistent 118 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: with any kind of geological activity, like there wasn't an 119 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: underground earthquake that had happened or volcano erupting or anything 120 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: like that. Loud, right and travel far, but they said 121 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: that the sound wasn't consistent with that, and the record 122 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: of geological activity was also not consistent with that. At 123 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: that time. So there's this guy named Dr Fox when 124 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: he was in charge of analyzing this stuff, and he 125 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: said initially he said it might be an ice shift, 126 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: and then later he updated his opinion to say it 127 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: was probably of animal origin. But again, we've talked about 128 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: how big a thing would need to be to create 129 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: a noise that loud. If a humpback whale, which are giant, 130 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: only creates you know, eight d kilometers unless unless it 131 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: was a somewhat small sound was closer to the to 132 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: the hydrophones. Well, so the thing about that was is 133 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: that it was recorded at that kind of similar frequency 134 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: just you know, thousands of kilometers apart just one Mike. 135 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: It was a bunch of Mike's recording a super loud 136 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: noise that were really far away from each other, you know. 137 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: And I remember reading in one of the articles that 138 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: I found, they were talking about that if it was 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: an animal that had made that noise, it would have 140 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: to be an order of magnitude larger than a whale, 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: or at least be something that had some crazy huge 142 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: sound making apparatus in its bodies on the way to 143 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: say it's got he's got to have some kind of 144 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: crazy vocal chamber. Nothing is built with that, I mean, 145 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Well, it's kind of like the aquatic version 146 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: of the Howler monkey. Yeah, maybe maybe there are such 147 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: things that it could be. But if that was the case, 148 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: and they used to be getting picked up on hydrophones 149 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: all of it all the time. And that's the other 150 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: big question mark about this is that it's the only 151 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: time that a sound like this has recorded. Actually, but 152 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: addressing the whole issue of this is the only time, 153 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean, most of most of those sound recordings there's 154 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: there's sometimes listened to in real time by by navy guys, 155 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of it is just saved. It's just 156 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: saved a hard drives, saved the tapes whatever, and later analyzed. 157 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: And so is it possible as anybody actually made a 158 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: concerted effort to go through the record and see if 159 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: there are analyzed to see if there are similar noises, 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and just because it's such a loud anomaly, and actually 161 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: they are five other sounds that are they're all classified 162 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: as unidentified sounds that have been recorded by these arrays 163 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: around the world that I'd love to also kind of 164 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: talk about a little it in conjunction with the plunk 165 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: and actually it's um, it's the Julia, the Train, the slowdown, 166 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: the whistle, and the up sweep, and they're they're all released. 167 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: So we should just like listen to each one of 168 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: them who comes up with these names. Well you'll listen 169 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: to them and you'll hear why they're Okay, all right, 170 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: So here's the Julia. Do you hear how it kind 171 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: of sounded like a muffled Julia's almost something. Yeah, it's 172 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: definitely a weird noise. I mean, you know, don't get 173 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: me wrong. I'm okay, what's calling it? Julia? I don't 174 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: So Julia was heard on March on in the same 175 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: general location as the Blue was heard. Okay, so the 176 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: next one is the Train, which was heard on March five, 177 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: which was the same year that the Blue was heard 178 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: um in the raw Sea near Cape Andrea, Antarctica. So 179 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: the n O A A, which are the only people 180 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: who released these recordings, only released them at sixteen times 181 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: sped up of any anomaly. What are they trying to hide? 182 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: I think it's that's just like the Witching Hour for 183 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: all these that like they actually sound like they don't 184 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: really sound like much of anything that their actual, Yeah, 185 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like it's really long drawn out whatever. 186 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: So the next one is the slowdown. The slowdown was 187 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: heard May couple of hundred miles north of Easter Island. 188 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: Now that one sounds like Julia. Actually, that sounds like 189 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: a have you ever been in a subway and you 190 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: hear the train coming and it slows down? That's exactly 191 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: been the train. Should have called that the subway train. Yeah, 192 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean I get the train, I hear the whistle, right, Okay, 193 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: except for the next one. It's called the whistle. And 194 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: where did the whistle come from from? J um And 195 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: it's just southwest of Mexico City. It's like a couple 196 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: hundred miles southwest of that. The whistle to me just 197 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like wind. It does sounds a little 198 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: weird underwater, right like I understand, but it just kind 199 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: of sounds like that's probably just a fast current over 200 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: a hydrophone, a lot of hydrophones. And then there's one 201 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: more and it's called the up sweep and it was 202 00:13:47,640 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: recorded on August slightly southwest of New Zealand. That, yeah, 203 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: I think that was like being in a swamp with frogs. 204 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: What this one's called the up Sweep, but it's in 205 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean, in between New Zealand and Antarctica. 206 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: So these all happened in the all in the southern 207 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: hemisphere right between. Yeah, and you know, I guess the 208 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: thing is is that not all of them, actually half 209 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: of them are close to Antarctica, but half of them 210 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: are kind of spread out through the rest of the ocean, 211 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: more close to the equator and things like that, So 212 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: they're kind of all over the place, all right. So 213 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: there are a couple of theories here. One, of course, animal. 214 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: We've kind of talked about it a little bit, that 215 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: it would be the vocalization of some kind of living organism, 216 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: which still seems it would have to be a big 217 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: living organism, like really big, and correct me if I'm wrong, 218 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: because I swear in the research when we were going 219 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: through things, I swear I saw something that one of 220 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: the one of the articles was talking about. Like I 221 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: said before, it would have to have something that just 222 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: had some huge noise making chamber on it, or it 223 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: was potentially something that lived super far down where the 224 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: water is a denser and be colder so that the 225 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: sound travels farther yea, so those are actually those were 226 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: absolutely the two kind of theories. One was that it 227 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: was a sort of like a giant squid type thing 228 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: using um like kind of a gas filled sack and 229 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: that it would have like exploded or whatever. So that 230 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: was one theory. And then the other theory was that 231 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: it would have been something that was really that was 232 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: a deep dweller, but this would have been like really 233 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: uncomfortably shallow area for something like that to be existing. 234 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: These microphones are not particularly deep down well. And and 235 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: first again because these just sped up sixteen times, so 236 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: the original sound would be very very low frequency, and 237 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't it's hard to imagine any 238 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: animal that could actually usefully use such a low frequency 239 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: For example, your perception of this sound. How big would 240 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: your ear drum have to be to pick up something 241 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: that low and frequency if you're trying to communicate using 242 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: sounds like that, I suppose, but I guess you know, 243 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: the argument is that it may not be the sound, 244 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: but the vibration that's important, vibration that that noise makes, 245 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know what kind of vibrations. Yeah, we 246 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: don't have a way to imagine that because we hear 247 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: in the air, not underwater. But then again, if you 248 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been swimming, you've been underwater, and 249 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: you've heard things and they're very muffled. High frequencies really 250 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: get dropped down underwater. So it would make sense theoretically 251 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: that lower frequencies would be a better form of communication 252 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: because you can do them up easier. Yeah, I mean definitely. 253 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: And and that's another thing about these sounds is that 254 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: they're inherently distorted by the distances because because higher higher frequencies, 255 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: and if you have if you have any particular events, 256 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: there's gonna be high and low frequencies, like take let's 257 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: take an explosion for example, there's gonna be low frequency 258 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: and high frequency parts of that whole thing. But in 259 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: the water, the high frequency part of that is going 260 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: to be attenuated by the distance. Only the low frequency 261 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: part is going to carry through the entire way to 262 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: the hydrophone. So we're not you know, so we're just 263 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: hearing a bit of this sound and now not necessarily 264 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: actual representation of right. So on top of the animal theory, 265 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: also is the theory is actually what about the trip 266 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: of Chabra one? No, well, listen the Casula theory. If 267 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: we can suspend disbelief enough to say Casu is real 268 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: this instant, it only happened one thousand, seven hundred and 269 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: sixty kilometers away from the location of the sunken city 270 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: where Cathulu was imprisoned. Can nope? Can you? I cannot 271 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: show No, I can't. I'm not even sure that we're 272 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: pronouncing correctly. Who knows I mean in his language for 273 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't know who is Oh, Cathulu is a 274 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: mythical beast written about by HP Lovecraft. Okay, all right, 275 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: just want to make sure everybody gets on board so 276 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: they know what we're talking about. This isn't just a 277 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: random term because we tend to almost do that. We 278 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: do sometimes it's true. So you know, I think that 279 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: if we can get to the point of Cthulhu is real, 280 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: that's a totally viable theory because he lives like not 281 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: very far away. He's giant, right, he could totally swim 282 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: that far. It wouldn't It would be like no thing 283 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: for him. And you know, he's just exploring, so he's 284 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: just checking out his hood. Yeah, and he he would 285 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: definitely fit the ill of a creature that's can make 286 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: that kind of noise and travel that kind of distance. Yeah, 287 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: I can see this. I don't I'm gonna I'm gonna 288 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: just suspend my disbelief of Cthulhu for the moment and say, yes, 289 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: you're right. It would be a large enough creature to 290 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: get away with making that noise. So if if Cthulhu 291 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: is real, it was Cthulhu, But Becauthulu isn't real. Probably 292 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: that's as far as I'm aware. Unfortunately, unless he is. Unless, 293 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah there you go, okays be so again more We're 294 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: just gonna like delve deeper and deeper into the weird 295 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: outlandish theories. Yes, the next weird outlandish theory is Mermaids. 296 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: I this can I can I stop for a second 297 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: and just everybody, including our listeners. I was reading this 298 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: story and going through this, and I got so excited 299 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: I threw my arms in the air and I shouted 300 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: in my house. It's Cathulhu in the Killer Mermaids. Yeah, 301 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: which I think is a great band name. Did Yeah, obviously, 302 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: I mean mermaid voices are kind of high pitched. You know. 303 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: They had that sirens song thing that they used to 304 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: marriners to their death or something like that I don't 305 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: think there's the sirens anyway, so I forget that. But anyway, 306 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: but they don't have that those kind of deep streaty voices. 307 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: So it was mermaids. No, no, no, you only you 308 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: have to assume. And I think this is fair that 309 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: they built an enormous gong and they were wapping it 310 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: with their tails in Unison. Well, so that actually is 311 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: that brings up my biggest problem with the mermaid theory, 312 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: aside from the like mermaids exist part right, is that 313 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: mermaids are ostensibly about human size, and if a humpback 314 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: whale can't make a noise loud enough to travel more 315 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: than eight hundred kilometers, how's a mermaid gonna do it? 316 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe some kind of technology, But then why 317 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: aren't we picking up like way more of these things? Right, Yeah, 318 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a problem with that one to me. 319 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: So okay, next outlandish awesome theory is that it was 320 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: trans dimensional travel entering or leaving our dimension deep blow 321 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: the sea? What what? What is that based on? You know, 322 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: I think the theory that if you were going to 323 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: travel trans dimensionally, it would rip a loud whole in 324 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: whatever fabric of time space we have and that might 325 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: be allowed thing. Okay, but that's literally all that's all 326 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: you found. That's all I found. Okay. So there's that. 327 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: Traveling a little back into the more valid theories are well, 328 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: a few um that it would be what's called a 329 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: U s O an unidentified submerged object, so like a UFO, right, 330 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: but it's a U s S aentually aliens of alien 331 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: of nature or some black ops sub that we don't 332 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: know about that's being tested. My next theory, which is 333 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: Soviet Russia. Oh so specifically Soviet Russia doing what exactly. No, 334 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I you know, it probably wasn't Soviet right in the nineties. Yeah, 335 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: they were kind of gone by that time. But you 336 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: know it could have been a bomb. I mean, it 337 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: probably wasn't. The analysis says it wasn't. But those people 338 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: are also paid by the Navy. True Navy saying no, 339 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound anything like a bomb. You guys are crazy, 340 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: But it was actually a bomb detonating that would be 341 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the place in the sea where 342 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: you would want to detonate a bomb. There's not a 343 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: whole lot of well, you know, that is one thing 344 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: that arena and have to assume The Soviets that the Russians, 345 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: excuse me, have been a bit experimenting around with is 346 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: active sonar, and we've had active sonar for many decades, 347 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: but submarines don't actually use it. It's been because because 348 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: it gives away your position. And well, active sonar is 349 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: when whenever you're watching the movies or TV and they 350 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: show a submarine and you hear that noise. Active sonar 351 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: and so active centers when you send out a burst 352 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: of energy and it can be generated by your sonar, 353 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: electronic la or can be generated by an explosion and 354 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: they can echo that way, but active energy and then 355 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: you get a return signal and that allows you to localize, 356 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, your opponent another submarine. Typically submarines don't use that. 357 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: They use passive center, which is they only use their 358 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: hydrophones and they never use their active center because it 359 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: will give away your position. It's like looking for somebody 360 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: in the dark field in the middle of the night 361 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: with a flashlight. They're going to see your flashlight long 362 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: before your flashlight picks them up. And so the problem 363 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: with passes sonar, it's have been very effective, it's used 364 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: not only by submarines, but also by the socist nets 365 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: to to detect all kinds of objects out there. But 366 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: the problem is that submarines are getting much quieter, and 367 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: they're they're not they're now considering the problem of how 368 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: do we if they get to the point where our 369 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: hydrophones can't reliably pick up enemy subs, how are we 370 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: going to find them? And so they're they're returning to 371 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: the idea of active sonar. The idea would be very 372 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: powerful active sonars in your own submarine or uh an 373 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: energy source that's not actually localized in your submarine that 374 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: transmits a lot of energy and basically it's like setting 375 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: off a flash like a flash bowlb in a in 376 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: a huge dark room. You know, they get this big 377 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: flash of energy and suddenly it's all illuminated and you 378 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: can see who's there. And so they have been experimenting 379 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff. So it insconceivable that we 380 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: were talking some sort of like massive active sonar experimenting. 381 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Yeah, that if that somebody just 382 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: miscalculated where all these microphones were right, and they just 383 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: the plan that it would be able to go. Yeah, 384 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that would make sense if it if it 385 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: were giant and it went off, that would hit all 386 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: of those mics at about the same time. It would 387 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: be really fast. Okay, I'm sing into this theory. Yeah, 388 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting there. And here I thought I had to 389 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm sorry, okay, but I mean it's like, 390 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: you know again, it's like I had no idea the 391 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: exact strength of when with their active soner experiments that 392 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: the Navy has been doing, the exact strength of the 393 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: signal they've been sending out. Uh, something that massive would 394 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: would send what you know, it's hard to say if 395 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: you could if there's a point of sending sending out 396 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: something that huge, because after all, you know, you're not 397 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: trying to identify targets a thousand miles away, You're trying 398 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: to identify targets, you know, miles away. You know, if 399 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: that even? Do you guys have any theories you want 400 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: to talk about before I dropped the bomb on this, 401 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: all right, An, I'm sorry to tell you I've brought 402 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: a mystery that they're pretty sure resolved. They're pretty sure there. Well, 403 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that it's these people 404 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: who are in charge of these systems covering things up. Well, 405 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: if you want to go the conspiracy theoryst route, which 406 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: at this podcast we try to keep an open mind 407 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: to all possibilities. You know, the people who are telling 408 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: us what has happened here are also the people who 409 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: are in charge of telling us everything that's happening. And 410 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the Navy is paying them and intelligence agencies are paying them, 411 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: and there could be you know, as Joe was just saying, 412 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: it could have been a massive stone ar blast something 413 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: like that. But there's this guy named Robert Dazak. He's 414 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: a seismologist at the Oregon State University, but he also 415 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: works for the n O a A. And he said 416 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: the bloop was an ice quake. Yeah, is that like? 417 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: So is it like instead of tectonic sheets shifting, it's 418 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: ice sheets shifting and grinding against one another. Okay. And 419 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing is that Julia was an iceberg that 420 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: ran aground in Antarctica. The train was probably generated by 421 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: really large iceberg grounding in the raw sea. The slow 422 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: down was moving ice in Antarctica. The whistles hard. It 423 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: was detected off you know, kind of more in the 424 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Northern Pacific area, and they don't have an ice related 425 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: theory for it, although we were listening to it and 426 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: it just does kind of sound like wind, like a 427 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: high current or something like that. Although one would assume 428 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: that this is what these people listen to all the 429 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: time if it were just the current the up sweep, 430 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: it turns out they hear a lot and it's seasonal 431 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: and they think it's I smelt all right, So I'm 432 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and rail against this 433 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, all but one of 434 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: these so far that we've gone over, we're all detected 435 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: in the southern hemisphere, right, yeah, okay, do socis is 436 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: in the northern hemisphere as well, And we only heard 437 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: these things so far, it's about five six times. But 438 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: iceburgs do stuff and I shifts constantly, So why have 439 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: we not heard these before and continue to hear them, 440 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: and why aren't they in the north. So that that's 441 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: that's my problem, because I read the I read the 442 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: ice theory and and it was Okay, it's justifiable. It 443 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: makes sense. I can I can see it being a 444 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: viable solution, except it only happens in one hemisphere, and 445 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: it's only been recorded in these couple of times. You know, 446 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: I don't you know that it's a valid point, but 447 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, you don't know exactly which a raise researchers 448 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: have been granted access to, maybe not necessarily all of them. 449 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: So researchers don't have access to everything that so picks up. 450 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: Is that correct? It's my impression is that they do 451 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: have access to all that stuff. But I will say 452 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: that apparently that they have picked up sounds really spectrographically 453 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: similar to the bloop quite allowed, but similar in their 454 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: range and tone and all that stuff. You know, they've 455 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: been doing this constantly. I mean, you know, in the 456 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand they picked one up that was near 457 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: Georgia and they actually got to watch the iceberg like 458 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: sink into right where the array was, and you know, 459 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: they seemed to kind of be picking this stuff up. 460 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: The only thing is is that the magnitude is ginormous 461 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: compared to what they pick up usually. And you know, 462 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: maybe it was just a really big iceberg. I guess 463 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: I could see if it was a series of abnormally 464 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: warm seasons and things are starting to shear for some 465 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: and I hate to say it, but global warming is 466 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: the term everybody throws out but if there's some temperature 467 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: fluctuations going on, and okay, I can see that being possible, 468 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: but it's just seems weird to me that we suddenly 469 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: had so many in such a short period of time 470 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: and they've never really heard it before. That's you know, 471 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: it was a question mark for me. You know. But 472 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: if you if you think about a large number of 473 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: arrays and and massive amounts of years of data, and 474 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: you have to set through the data because this is 475 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: not something that the Navy is not going to pick 476 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: this stuff up, probably because they're not listening at these 477 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: incredibly low frequencies. You know, they're listening for the sounds 478 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: of submarines and stuff like that. So it might be 479 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: the stuff that's been going on for years, and the 480 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Navy guys who've been listening to it for all this time, 481 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: I haven't really picked up on it because they're not 482 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: really interested in those frequencies. And you know, I'm about 483 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: to ask something really horribly silly, but when did the 484 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: Cold War finally end? Uh? I think so in the 485 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: first sound that we have that was recorded was a 486 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: nice to anyone, which would have been about when they 487 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: were getting around to actually getting to use these are raised, right, 488 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: it's andy and and I mean, you know, the war 489 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: doesn't end and then eat They're like, actually, let's give 490 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: the scientists all this data. You know it takes a 491 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: year or two. Yeah, but it's it all. All this 492 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: has happened around the you know, the turn of the century, 493 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: and we is there anymore that they've talked about that 494 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: have happened in recent years? And maybe that's because they 495 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: haven't had enough time to sift through all that data. 496 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Is Joe was saying, But you know, I don't I 497 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: don't want to sound, you know, as if I'm throwing 498 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, but it just it seems hinky to me 499 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: that that's the exact answer that we've got. Yeah, I agree. 500 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: The thing to add on to that is that this 501 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: guy Dr Fox right, he said, yeah, it was it 502 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: was a nice quake, and then he said, oh no, 503 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: actually it's a is an animal. And then a bunch 504 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: of other people were like, no, it's a nice quake. No, 505 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: it's totally a nice quake. No, dude, dude, it's an 506 00:31:53,400 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: ice quaked. Who knows what they're Is it possible? The 507 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: Dr Fox and all these other people, their servants up 508 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: to Tolu and yeah, they're helping to cover up it 509 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: could be the cover up here absolutely right. Well yeah, yeah, 510 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: but my my answer to here to which is a 511 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: valid point that you may, but my answer would be 512 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: that that's just they haven't maybe gotten around of sifting 513 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: through that data yet, and they might not have been 514 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: given access to some of the northern hydrophone networks too. 515 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: That's my big question. Yeah, you don't know what you 516 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: don't know what networks they've been allowed to get data from. 517 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: And you're right, you're you're right on that. It's just still, 518 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: like I said, something smells a tad off. And I'm 519 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: not saying that it's not the right answer. He just 520 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: not everything is there for me to put the fossils together. 521 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm not convinced. Yeah, I mean, 522 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure at least one of our listeners is, you know, 523 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: working for the Navy and listening on the Socist network, 524 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: so you know, if you know what Socist arrays civilians 525 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: being allowed access to and which ones they're not, please 526 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: Cloe us in. Yeah, that'd be awesome, that'd be great. Well, 527 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: we'll be give in our email at the end of 528 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: the show that seems like a perfect segue to me. 529 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Unless anybody else has anybody else anything else to say, Well, 530 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: then if you do have that information, please email us 531 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Visit our 532 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: websites Thinking sideways podcast dot com. You can find links 533 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: to the story. 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