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Speaker 1: for the first time. Edward Black twenty year career as

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Speaker 1: I stumbled across your book. I can't even remember how,

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Speaker 1: how it went in the In the beginning of the book,

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Speaker 1: you also talk about something else I thought was interesting

429
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: about you know, you sign up to be a small

430
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Speaker 1: town cop and you think your job is to, you know,

431
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: enforce the law, but you end up having to be

432
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: like all of these other things. You have to be

433
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: like a social worker, a psychic, a grief counselor uh,

434
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, a security guard, like all these other Roles.

435
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: I just wonder if you could talk about just what

436
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: you meant by that and all these different things you

437
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: end up having to do as a small town cop

438
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: that maybe the average person doesn't expect when you know,

439
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: you strap on a gun in a badge. Sure. Well,

440
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: you know people who live in larger cities, you know,

441
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: they would never think about calling the cops, uh, to come.

442
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Let's say, light their pilot lad on their water heater

443
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: or they're stove. And for some reason, in small towns,

444
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: if you have any kind of a problem, they call

445
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: the cops. They call us for it would blow your mind. Um,

446
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: I've been called, of course, you know moms who can't

447
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: get their kids out of bed to go to school

448
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: and call to go over there and get them out

449
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: of bed, get them to the school. Uh. I've been

450
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: I've been called. There's one story in my book being

451
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: called because the lady I thought she smelled a dead

452
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: mouse in her wall and wanted me to knockohol in

453
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: the wall to get the mouse out. Uh. I mean,

454
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: this is totally different than being you know, a New

455
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: York City cops as you were saying, and that you know,

456
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you call a New York City cop

457
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: for these minor complaints, they probably hang right up on

458
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: you and rightfully, so oh yes, yes, sure, you know.

459
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean we were I've been called because people needed

460
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: to ride to the grocery store, you know, so what

461
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: do you do? Do you get them? Do you give

462
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: him a ride to the grocery store? Though I didn't

463
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: mean a ride to the grocery store if they were

464
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, most of were older citizens than and you know,

465
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm not busy what they're gonna give him ride than

466
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: grocery store. So yeah, I mean, we do all kinds

467
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. It's just kind of interesting in that.

468
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it helps, you know, keep that

469
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: good relationship between the police officers and the community and

470
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: a small community like that, but I mean, I just

471
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine it. And it's a totally different way of living,

472
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I guess. Um. I think I've mentioned on the show before,

473
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: but like when I was in South Dakota and saw

474
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: Badlands and National Park, was the first time I went

475
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: to a gas station and I tried to pay them

476
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: for gas and they were like, no, no, no, you

477
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: just fell off. You pass later. It's just a very

478
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: different mentality than being here in you know, New York

479
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: City or Long Island where I live. Where, like I said,

480
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they would hang right up on you,

481
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: elderly or not disabled or not if you asked for

482
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: a ride to the grocery store. Oh yeah, I mean,

483
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: it's it's so different. Uh. You know, we have certain

484
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: characters that were we always deal with in smaller towns,

485
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: and in Kauchman, especially for some reason, we have more.

486
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: But for instance, we had an elderly lady who had

487
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: some mental issues and for some reason she felt the

488
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: need about two or three times a month to come

489
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: over and just sit random items on the on the

490
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: porch outside the police department's door. And uh. These could

491
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: be anything from shoes or dirty clothes or or food. Uh.

492
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: She would just set them outside, and she would leave

493
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: a note in the bag saying you need to watch these.

494
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Uh license plate numbers. They're selling drugs. And she'd have

495
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: some random license plate numbers down there. And uh, I

496
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: remember one time I came in early and I saw

497
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: the bank sitting there. I knew immediately who who had

498
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: come from. And uh, I go over and pick up

499
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: the bag and it's got a loaded nine mill mere pistol.

500
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: We we go over and talk to her, and uh

501
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: so she just stuck it in a Walmart plastic bag

502
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: and brought up there and set it on the board.

503
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: And is always weird stuff like that that goes on

504
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: in small towns. You also talk about some stories in

505
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: here that are, you know, beyond the curious and the

506
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: weird the funny. I mean, there's some pretty serious stuff too,

507
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Like you relate that one story about how you almost

508
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: got clambered by a guy who was a murderer and rapist. Yeah, yeah,

509
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: which time? Oh though, I was thinking about the one

510
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: where the guy escaped from from the county lock up.

511
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that that gentleman. Yeah, he's since

512
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: been sent to meet his maker by Texas, the state

513
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: of Texas. He had raped and murdered an eighty seven

514
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: year old woman. And uh when one night, when it

515
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: was just me and another rookie officer on duty, he

516
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: managed to escape from the county jail. And uh that,

517
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much of the story

518
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: you want me to tell, but it's that was one

519
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: that really made me stop and think about what how

520
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I needed to be when I'm out on some of

521
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: these calls. But because it really woke me up, Go ahead,

522
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: can you tell that story? I think that people will

523
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: be interested. Yeah, okay, one night, I don't I hadn't

524
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: been on the force very long. I'm not even sure

525
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: if i'd had my first year down. But I ended

526
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: up being the officer in charge. And there was another

527
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: officer was a rookie, and it was just work in

528
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: the streets at night, and it was lucky. It hadn't

529
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: out of a movie on a horror movie. It was dark, quiet,

530
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: and as foggy as it could be. And we never

531
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: we never had a lot of fags around here, but

532
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: that night it was just friendly farting. You couldn't see

533
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: probably oh three hundred yards. I mean, it was just

534
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: really dark. And uh we got a call about a

535
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: prowler at a residence. So we go over there and uh,

536
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention to the name all on who

537
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: it was, just trying to sign it out is there

538
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: a prowler on? Just get spooked and uh, saw stopped

539
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: talked to her and to spind out I know who

540
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: she is. She's the mother of this guy that had

541
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: murdered the relating His name is William Murray and it's

542
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: his mom and she said, yeah, somebody was jiggling the

543
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: doorhanded and trying to get in. And when I asked

544
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 1: who it was, they they took off. And now right

545
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: about that time, we get another call which was on

546
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: the other side of the tong and of a prowler

547
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: trying to get in the house. So I seen the

548
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: other Austin over there, and uh, I stayed with Mrs

549
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Murray there talking to her. So a few minutes later,

550
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: he gives me a call and he says, uh, this

551
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: is William Murray ex wife, and she says someone's trying

552
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: to get in the house that we're here, and I'm

553
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: thinking and that that's kind of strange. It's a holiday

554
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: to come meet with me. And we met up and

555
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, you know, surely he didn't get

556
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: out of jail. I mean, you know, he's in for

557
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: capital murder. And about that time, my dispatcher, h Robin Smith,

558
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: she calls me, and Robin, you know, she she had

559
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: a way on the radio and she was always smooth, professional,

560
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, didn't really get excited on the radio or

561
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: anything like that. And she calls us and she says,

562
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: you need to come to station right now. And I thought,

563
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, he got out of jail and he's

564
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: in this town somewhere. Can we run up to the station.

565
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: We're walking the door, and sure enough, she tells me

566
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: William Murray has escaped from the jail, and the county

567
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: jail was in in our town. So I called my lieutenant,

568
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: wake him up. He's the one that actually worked the

569
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: case on Murray. And I tell him, nicety, Lieutenant William

570
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Murray has escaped from jail. He's in town somewhere. He

571
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: keeps trying to get in houses and I all I

572
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: hear from him is I, oh ship, and he slams

573
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: down the phone. So we started calling every cop in

574
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: the county get over here. We need some help, and uh,

575
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: of course, you know, help comes from every direction. And uh,

576
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: we're just looking for him. We're trying to find him.

577
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have a we don't know where

578
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: he's at. I mean he's been on both side of

579
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: the town. Uh, we don't know if he's got a weapon.

580
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: We just don't know. But we know he's loose in

581
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: town somewhere for during this this time period. Uh, there's

582
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: a train of part and across the street and trade

583
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: parks and stilled. Uh had a bunch of lumbit piled

584
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: up in it, and I mean the graph of probably

585
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: knee high. And I thought, well, I go out and

586
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: check this field, you know, see if he's hiding out here.

587
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: So I started on one side of the field and

588
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: working my way across it, and I saw what they

589
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: thought a hundred fifty yards out in this in this field,

590
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: and my flasch flight goes dead, I mean no warning,

591
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: just instantly goes dead. And it's darkness night I had

592
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: ever seen. With the fall and the darkness and everything

593
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. So I'll make my way

594
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: back out of the field those stays and get me

595
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: a new flashlight. About this time, we were setting up

596
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: a perimeter around town h and I ended up not

597
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: going back to the field. I went over and met

598
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: up with a deputy. So a little bit later one

599
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: of the deputies thinks that he saw somebody run across

600
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: this road from the pastor that I was. I was

601
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: in to another pastor, a much bigger pasture, and depputy

602
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: swears he saw somebody run across there. So we're setting

603
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: up a perimeter around this gigantic past and I'm sitting

604
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: there on one of the streets with a deppy and

605
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: we're just sitting there talking, waiting on some dogs from

606
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: the prison to come up, some bloodhounds, see if we

607
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: can't track this guy down. And standing here, talked to

608
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: this guy probably about twenty minutes, and suddenly he just

609
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: jerks to attention, I mean, scared of me. He stops, he's,

610
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, kind of squats a little bit. He takes

611
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: off running through this field or to this field, towards

612
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: a tree line, and so I take off with him.

613
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm like, what the hell we're in where?

614
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: And sure enough, right out probably thirty yards from this

615
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: this this asshole had crawled under a blanket, a dark blanket,

616
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: and was hiding there in the grass, and for some

617
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: reason he looked up and right at that moment that

618
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: deputy was looking there and saw him. And uh so

619
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: we run over there and I put the imprint of

620
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: my six hour and liddly his forehead, dared him to move,

621
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: and we hooked him up. Sheriff gets on the radio,

622
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: bring him to my office. So he went over there,

623
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: and everything would kind of calm down, and I know

624
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a long story, but it's got a little good

625
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: in The sheriff gets him over there and and you know,

626
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: they do whatever, they interview him and find out how

627
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: he got out of jail and all this stuff. Well,

628
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: he told that he told the sheriff and some of

629
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: the other deputies over there that, uh, that one cop,

630
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: one of them cops real lucky. He said, that son

631
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: of a bitch got within about fifteen feet of me,

632
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: and I had a two by four and my hand

633
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: was fixing to lay him out because I needed his gun,

634
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: and his flashlight went dead, so he turned around went

635
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: the other way. That's crazy, but nothing will and this

636
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: gentleman was put to death by the good state of Texas,

637
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Yeah, the state Texas solved this problem

638
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: for him. Well, said man. That the uh, the story

639
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: that caught my eye the most, honestly was, um, you know,

640
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: you catching that pedophile. The guy was flashing kids at

641
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: the school. And the thing that I really like about

642
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: your writing style, too, is is I think you set

643
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: the scene very well of that every day at the

644
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: police station for you, it seems like it was a monotonous,

645
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: same thing a lot of days and then someone will

646
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: come in and it will change the course of everything.

647
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: And I really feel the excitement as you're going out

648
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: and finding this guy, you know, in the days that followed,

649
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: and you taking the initiative to say, you know, hey,

650
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I'll use my own car because you know, this guy

651
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: is not gonna get caught if we're in the area

652
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: with a police vehicle. I thought that was just a

653
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: great story. And I can I could just feel the

654
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: rush from you as as you finally caught this guy

655
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I got to put your hands on

656
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: him and put them away. Oh yeah, that that's that

657
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: was That's one of my proudest moments out there in

658
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: my career. Uh, because that guy and it was going

659
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: to go from bed to worse with him. It was

660
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: just a matter of time. And uh but yeah, he

661
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: he was driving around and flashing kids from this elementary school,

662
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: a little girl, and he would he would rather he

663
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: would wait until school let out and they're all walking

664
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: down the street and then he would drive real slow

665
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: past them and he'd raise himself up so that they

666
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: could see his his packer basically, and uh, it's one

667
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: little girl told her parents, her mom about it, and

668
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: of course, mom runs her up to the station and

669
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: we're talking to her. And something that struck me about

670
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: this little girl is I mean she was probably oh

671
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: seven eight years old, and this child she had details.

672
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: I mean she told us exactly what that truck looked like,

673
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: and I mean her memory was just I knew immediately

674
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: that this child is not making anything up. She's telling

675
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: the truth. And we gotta get this guy. So of

676
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: course I go over there. I spent a while looking

677
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: for him. Can't find any any truck the match of

678
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: that description. And and then we had another child come

679
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: forward and say basically the same story and the same description.

680
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: But she said it was it was a blue that

681
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: turned out the big blue Mustang. She said, not his

682
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: blue car wasn't a truck. And uh so now we've

683
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: got two vehicles that we can look for and and

684
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: and I tell the text. I said, look, you've got

685
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: me over here driving up down the street in this

686
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: squad car. I mean, he's not going to do it

687
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: with a cop sitting there. So I went to my

688
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: sergeant and said, you know, I'm gonna take my own

689
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: car over here and see if I can't catch this asshole.

690
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, small town. There's only two or

691
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: three of us on duty at a time. Okay, but

692
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: let's do the radio. And you know, if you get

693
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: a bad car or something, you gotta come back. Okay. Yeah,

694
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: have you got someone who needs to get groceries, you know,

695
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: go leave this very important operation you're pursuing. Turn up.

696
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't only the fifteen minutes in my car, and

697
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: I see his truck coming up the street. That is

698
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: it exactly what that child had described. And so he

699
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: gets closer and I can see that it's it's an

700
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: older guy with a white hair, just like she described.

701
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: So I pulled out and follow him. And by the way,

702
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: just to had dropped here real quick, you said it

703
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: was the white van this time, right, it wasn't as

704
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: a white truck, but the guy had white hair. Yeah, no, no,

705
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: but I from what you were saying, how there was

706
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: two different girls who had two different vehicle descriptions. Yeah. Yeah,

707
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: once said it was a truck, a white truck, and

708
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: one said it was a blue Mustin or a blue

709
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: sports car. Uh. And this guy was in a white

710
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: truck and the boat of the girls had said that

711
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: he had white hair like Santa Claus. One of them said,

712
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: and sure enough, this guy has had bull of white hair.

713
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: And he come up the street. He turned, so I

714
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: pulled out by find him. Mean he just that, he

715
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: makes the block, goes down, coming back up, and as

716
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: he's approaching this group of little girls and up with

717
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: me right behind him, he does it. I mean I

718
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: can see him do it from my car. And to

719
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: say I got mad and excited all the same time,

720
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that would that wouldn't really cover how I felt I was.

721
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I got on the radio, started screaming, get over here,

722
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: get over here. He did he did, right, you gonna

723
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: be get over it something. Um, they come over there,

724
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: they get him out of the truck and you got

725
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: on just some pair of short short like three prizes

726
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: too big for him. Uh to make it you know,

727
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: of course he's wearing that to make it easy for him. Uh.

728
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: But yeah. Wait. Took him back to station and took

729
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: pictures of him, and then the next lady that day

730
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: or the next day or something, the detectives got arrestaurrant

731
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: for him, and I'm like, I'm serving this warrant. I'm

732
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: going to get this asshole. And I go over there

733
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and from the door and as soon as he opened

734
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: the door, I snatched him out there. He don't have

735
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: a clothes on. That don't have a shirt on pants. Uh,

736
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: he's just in his underwear. And I'm I'm like hooking

737
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: him up. I'm like, come on, you're going to jail, asshole.

738
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: Wait man, let's let's let him get his clothes on first.

739
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't think he deserved his clothes, but they didn't.

740
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: They outranked me. So but yeah, he ended up going

741
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: to jail, and uh and what happened next was was

742
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: a part of this job that is so hard for

743
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: guys like me to accept and cops everywhere big city,

744
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: small city or whatever. And uh, I found out the

745
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: next day that the sheriff knew this guy and had

746
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: led him out on a PR bond. They he walked

747
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: into jail, walked out. I never never even spent any

748
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: time at all in that jail. Uh. And for me,

749
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: that that was just I couldn't understand how that could

750
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: happen with what he was charged with. And and uh,

751
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: you know it that that was one of the first

752
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: lessons of how politics worked for me. Uh, that's when

753
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: I learned how how things you know can be in

754
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: the world of politics. And small towns and in counties

755
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: like that eventually picked me off. I think you said.

756
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: Eventually the guy served a few years though, right, Yeah, yeah,

757
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: eventually he went to prison and done some time. But

758
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, when you put somebody in jail for flashing

759
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: little girls, you expect him to stay in jail a

760
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: day or two, you know, But could could you lapt

761
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: read on the on a little bit more as far

762
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: as the small town politics and the impact that has

763
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: on being a small town cop, Well, small town politics

764
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: they run rampant into every small town and it's it

765
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: could be hard to deal with. You know, You've got

766
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: to make a decision when you become a small town cop.

767
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, are you are you going to go through

768
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: your career the easy way, and that's you know, letting

769
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: these people who think they're important or they're better than

770
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: anybody else, you know, let them slide on things, or

771
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: are you going to enforce the law equally to everybody?

772
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: And then with the consequence and uh me being the

773
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: type of person I am, I chose the latter, and

774
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: uh you know, for instance, we had a lady in town,

775
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: very very wealthy lady uh in in Kaufman and she

776
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: had the habit of getting intoxicated, and she likes to

777
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: take her clothes off and you know, hang out when

778
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: when she got intoxicated, and uh, she would she was

779
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: just she could just get away with anything. And one

780
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: night I end up putting her, locking her up, bring

781
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: her to the station, and before I think it was

782
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: public intoxication is why I hooked her up. And before

783
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: I could even even get her booked in, the chief

784
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: at the time come up there and and uh made

785
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: me release her to some family members or hers and uh.

786
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, another time, there was a kid driving reckless

787
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: through town and extremely reckless, and everybody knew him and

788
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: his dad was another wealthy person, and I think he

789
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: had been on the city council before I end up

790
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: hooking him up for reckless driving, and you know, basically

791
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: is his attitude of you know, screw you, You're not

792
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: touching me. And uh again, before I got him booked in,

793
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, chief was on the phone, made me release him.

794
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: Uh those were early in my career, and and it

795
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: did get a lot better as my career went on. Uh,

796
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: it weren't quite that that bad there, you know. Last half, Yeah,

797
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I put the mayor's son in jail and that didn't

798
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: go over too well. Um, it's small town politics, you know.

799
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: For some reason, people in these small town elms who

800
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: decide there that they're gonna be on the city council,

801
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: it will be there. They think that they're entitled, you know,

802
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: what's for special treatment, and it's not. It's not just

803
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: the town I worked in, but it's all small towns.

804
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: You've got these people who just think they're untouchable because

805
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: of who they are or what they do. And it

806
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: can be hard on officers, it really can. Uh. I've

807
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: seen so many officers struggle with you know, should I

808
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: put this person in jail? Should I should I write

809
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: him a ticket? You know? And my answer was always

810
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: the same, what would you do if this was some

811
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: stranger from out of town? You do the same, how

812
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, you treat everybody the same. And uh, it

813
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: can really sour you on on your career and law

814
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: enforcement if if you let that stuff get to you

815
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: too that you know, my my, what you're thinking was

816
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the right thing, and if I

817
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: get in trouble for doing the right thing, then I'll

818
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: deal with that then. And but lucky for me, you know,

819
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: I only had to raise Hill a few times and

820
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: then they got a lot better. It strikes me that, uh,

821
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: and correct me if if you think I'm wrong that

822
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: there's something special about our rural politics in America and

823
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: that there aren't so many local newspapers that cover, um,

824
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: let's say, small town corruption. Um. You know, we're here

825
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: in New York City. I mean, yes, there's absolutely plenty

826
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: of corruption in this city, but we also have some

827
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: pretty big institutions that try to keep it in check

828
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: that exposed that kind of behavior. I feel like in

829
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: small town America there's just fewer and fewer, Uh let's say,

830
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: let's say small town newspapers or other organizations that kind

831
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: of try to hold the local government to account. Yeah,

832
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Uh, it's all towns. Everybody knows everybody,

833
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: even the people that run the local newspaper. Uh. You know,

834
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: they're they're friends with these people in town that they're

835
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: reporting on, So you know, they're gonna pick and choose

836
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: how big a wave they make. And Uh, I've had

837
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: local reporters come to me and asked me about certain things,

838
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: or certain people, or or a certain crime that we

839
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: were investigating. M And I would tell them the exact

840
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: information that I tell the reporters from Dallas, you know,

841
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: when it came to it. And it's amazing the difference

842
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: in the article in the Dallas paper and the article

843
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: in the local paper. Um, you can really tell, oh,

844
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: there's self there's self censoring area. I'm sorry that they're

845
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: they're self censoring. Oh yes, yes, absolutely big time. And

846
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: uh in today's you know what I call the anti

847
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: cop climate. Uh, I'm I'm still seeing it in these

848
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: small town newspapers too. You know, there's been some small

849
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: town officers and chiefs of police around this area in

850
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: North Texas that have been uh busted doing you know,

851
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: illegal things. And you can can compare the articles from

852
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: from that town's little newspaper to the ones from Vallas

853
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: or Fort Worth, and it's so obvious that you're still exactly,

854
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: like you said, self censoring. Since you mentioned, you know,

855
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: as you put at the anti cop climate, I'd kind

856
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: of like to hear your take on it, because you

857
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: are a guy, you know, for people read the book

858
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: who treats everybody equally that that you arrest as you

859
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of just described, whether a high profile or not. Um.

860
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: But I think in this day and age. Yeah, there

861
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: is that movement of of just all cops are bad,

862
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: that you know, we don't need this in the community.

863
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there there's definitely been a

864
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: bunch of cases of people exposing racial profiling, police brutality,

865
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: and there's been some notable things that people have caught

866
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: on video that may not have been brought to people's attention.

867
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Um And I think the unfortunate thing is it then

868
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: gets treated that this is what goes on every day.

869
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: But you know what, what's your take on it, because

870
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I think on some level there's also more accountability for

871
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: the bad cops out there. Yeah, you know, no cop

872
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: will tell you that there's not bad cops. No, no

873
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: officer that you talked to will say, you know, none

874
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: of us are quickly they're just f is. There's bad

875
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: cops all over the country, just like there's bad firefighters,

876
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: there's bad preachers, there's bad you know, you name it.

877
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: It's just that when one the way law enforcement is different.

878
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: When one officer in one instantent across the country gets

879
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: caught doing something wrong, then every cop in America is

880
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: doing that and that's how we're treated, That's how we

881
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: feel like we're treated and you know, and and a

882
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: little small town Kaufman, we would catch hell as officers.

883
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: Anytime an officer, you know, in California or New York

884
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: where he got caught, you know, beating on somebody or

885
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: or you know, stealing money from people, things like that,

886
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: and we'd have that throne in our face in in

887
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: small town Kaufman. And you know, that's just fall of it.

888
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: You just have you know, that's something that is never

889
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: gonna change. You just have to accept it. And uh.

890
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: But the frustrating part for me, and in a lot

891
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: of officers that I know, the frustrating parties we are

892
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: not allowed to stand up and defend ourselves. We're not

893
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: allowed to answer these people on on Facebook, you know. Uh,

894
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: and anybody can get on Facebook or the Internet and

895
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: accuse uh, you know, Captain Black from the Coffin Police

896
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Department of anything, you know, and I just have to

897
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: take it. I can't get on there and defend myself.

898
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: The department won't allow it, the city won't allow it.

899
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: And uh, that's the most frustrating part is that people

900
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: can get out of here and throw out anything they

901
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: want to say about any officer. And and the fact

902
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: that the fact is they know we can't defend ourselves.

903
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: They know that they can make us look like a

904
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: fool or look like make us look like anything. Really,

905
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, as far your imagination can take you to

906
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: be sorry, I was just gonna say to be objective here.

907
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: You know about this situation, and you know, since since

908
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: you brought it up, I think that people on the

909
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: other side of the spectrum, these groups like Black Lives Matter,

910
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: would say that it's more than just you know, bad

911
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: cops and good cops, and they'll always point to statistics

912
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: of that police officers are more likely to draw a

913
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: weapon on a person of color or you know, a

914
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: rest person of color, or pull someone over. I mean,

915
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I just like to hear your take on that, because

916
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: do you think that's true? Do you think there is

917
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: a systemic problem there. I don't think there's a systemic

918
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: problem of officers m targeting any one minority as far

919
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: as are there other Are there individual officers out there

920
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: doing that? Absolutely, of course, but is it systemic? Is it?

921
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: Is it such a huge problem? The stats we'll tell

922
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: you that that's not the case. And for instance, in Coachman,

923
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: we were accused of racial profiling um, you know, Hispanics

924
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: at one point, and and the the African American community

925
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: several times had had accused us of that. But when

926
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: you pull the stats, the racial profiling stats, it's overwhelmingly

927
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: Caucasians that are being stopped. And I'm talking about in

928
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: In Coughman, because I have the facts for Couchman, and

929
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: when you would present those facts, they throw them in

930
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: your face and say what you are the ones that

931
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: can change that? Y'ard manipulating the numbers? You know, I

932
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: don't think that. You know, out of out of New

933
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: York City, you know the police department, half their cops

934
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: are out here targeting, you know, all Hispanics just because

935
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: they're Hispanic. For one. In you know it sometimes it's

936
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: very difficult to see who's driving a car, and you know,

937
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: probably nine of cars or have tenant windows. You can't

938
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: see who's driving the car. And so when you stop

939
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: the car, you go up there, they rolled down the

940
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: tenant blacked out windows, and it happens to be you know,

941
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a Hispanic and they start immediately jumping on you. You're

942
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: targeting me because I'm Hispanic, because I'm Mexican, and you

943
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: had no clue who was driving. But unfortunately the areas

944
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: a few out there that make it harder on the majority.

945
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: And that's just the way it's always going to be.

946
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: And I don't want to I don't want to be

947
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to think that I'm standing here

948
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: saying that it's not happening, because it absolutely is happening.

949
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: I just think they blow each in the individual incident,

950
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: uh and make it so much more than it than

951
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: it is. And a somewhat lighter note, because I mean,

952
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: your book gets into some pretty serious topics, but also

953
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of really funny stories in there,

954
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: and it's laugh out lout. Yeah. I was wondering if

955
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: you could tell us a little bit about, um, you know,

956
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: the summer of public fornication that you became well known

957
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: for making busts uh of people having amorous encounters in

958
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: public spaces in your town. Oh my god, that that

959
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: that was just strangest thing. Uh, you know and uh

960
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: uh I caught so many people uh having sex in

961
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: public places during this one summer that they at the department,

962
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: all the dispatchers changed the code number to that to

963
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: my number. And it was crazy because I'd be like

964
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: nine oh five checking out on a nine o five

965
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: if they would know exactly what I was out on.

966
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: But it seemed like for some reason, I couldn't go

967
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: anywhere for about three months without rolling up on somebody

968
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: that was having sex in public. And but it was crazy.

969
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: And because it's a small town, you often knew these

970
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: people personally. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. You know a

971
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: small town, you get to know everybody, and you know,

972
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: for instance, Uh, there's a story in there about this

973
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: couple that I caught out one of the the lakes,

974
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: the parks at the at the lake out there, and uh,

975
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: there was an old pump house and uh, I drive

976
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: down in this way. There's only one little dirt road

977
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: down way back into this uh little boat ramp area,

978
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: and it's not really a park, it's just an area

979
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: where people would unload their boats. And uh pull back

980
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: up in there, and there's there's a local plumber truck

981
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: and then another car there and nobody's around. So I

982
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: get the looking and sure enough there's one of the

983
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: local plumbers and a young lady. H who are they're

984
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: both married, but unfortunately not to each other, and uh,

985
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: I knew both of them, knew both of their spouses.

986
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: So I get out there and I walk up and

987
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: this is this long pump houses and you gotta go

988
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: probably forty feet out and uh, all of their clothes

989
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: are down here on the end where I'm at, and

990
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: they're down on the other end at the pump house,

991
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: and they're going at it like I mean, I was

992
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: proud of them. I mean, it really was. They're out

993
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: there in this this pump house, this old pump house.

994
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: It's full of wasps and yellow jackets and stuff, and

995
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: they weren't concerned in the least bit. Uh. So I

996
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: yelled at him, but they can't hear me because the

997
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: wind is coming from behind me, blowing towards them, and

998
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: they can't hear me. So I yell and I yell,

999
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: and finally, after you know, I get up there and

1000
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: I finally get their attention. Uh. I mean, he he's

1001
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of a small guy, and she was not.

1002
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: She was a healthy lady. And I'm serious. It looked

1003
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: like a chihuahua going at it with a master for something,

1004
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: and he was giving it here a long things. I

1005
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: finally get their attention, and and they've got to come

1006
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: down to me to get their clothes and bless her heart,

1007
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: she was doing her damna to to hide what she

1008
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: had and and then it just wasn't gonna happen. And

1009
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: uh so she comes down there and the first words

1010
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: out of their mouth or please don't run us on

1011
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: the radio, and uh because everybody in town has scanners,

1012
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, in a small town, everybody's got scanners. Because

1013
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to know exactly what we're doing. And

1014
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: uh so they they begged me not to run them

1015
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: on the radio, and and I didn't because I know

1016
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: who they are and I don't need one of them all.

1017
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: They're not people I have to be concerned about. Get

1018
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: on the way, and uh after the lecture, you know.

1019
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: And of course they would get out here in these

1020
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: places where they didn't think anybody else would would show up.

1021
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: And that's where I like to show up. You make

1022
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot of drug dress, you know, sometimes you come

1023
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: across this kind of stuff. Well I like that story

1024
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: about how you even busted your mail woman. Oh yeah, yeah,

1025
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: that was actually in the same spot down there. But

1026
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: they were pulled back there in a car and U

1027
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: h he was. When I got him out of the car,

1028
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: I noticed there was a video camera. He had set

1029
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: up a video camera in the car and was recording it,

1030
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: and uh, of course I get him out of the

1031
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: car and everything, you know, and I asked her, I'm like,

1032
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: you're aware he's recording this, right, And he's like yeah,

1033
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: And uh of course she's asking me. Look, you know,

1034
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: is this going to go in the paper? You know,

1035
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: is my husband gonna find out here? I mean, you

1036
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: gotta be on your way, and uh yeah she Uh.

1037
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: My mail was never laid after that. My mail came

1038
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: my all time every day. I mean, if I was

1039
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: waiting on anything, I got it quick. Mhm h man.

1040
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: So it sounds like that there were times where you

1041
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: were lenient about things that, you know, weren't serious crimes. Well,

1042
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was once to you know, I was

1043
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: younger once kids, but you know, if they're not hurting anybody,

1044
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: I was, I was at to be a lot more lenient,

1045
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. But we had this one part, the

1046
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: main part for the city, and it's where the playground

1047
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: and all the kids went there. And uh, they had

1048
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: some some little a little small building that had restrooms

1049
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: in it. Had had a male restroom and a female restroom,

1050
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: and uh, I had I would go out and I

1051
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: would check the restaurants. You know, I never know what

1052
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna find. No, I started noticing one this this

1053
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: same summer, I started noticing a lot of writing on

1054
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the on the walls and the manage room. You know,

1055
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: meet me here. I'll be in this car, you know,

1056
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: meet me on this day. And uh so I'm like,

1057
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: all right, cool, our kids he's got. And I tried

1058
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: and tried and try for every kitch, whoever it was

1059
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: that was going out there. And uh so one day,

1060
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at the station. I'm eating lunch, I think,

1061
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: and we had a call and it's a welfare check

1062
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: and somebody at the park said, this guy went in

1063
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: the bathroom and he's been in there for a long time.

1064
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: You know. She said he'd been there for over an hour.

1065
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: And I immediately like, I know that's him. I know

1066
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: it is. I jumped my car and I'll fly out there.

1067
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: And sure enough I get there and there's two cars

1068
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: in the parking lot and you had to walk down

1069
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: from the parking lot to this this little building. And

1070
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: uh so I get there and get out and I

1071
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: turned my radio down real load, and I sneak up

1072
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: on this door, and I jerked it open, and sure enough,

1073
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: there's one guy standing against the wall and the other

1074
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: one's on leave and and you know, he was going

1075
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: to town, and I jerked him out of there. I'm like,

1076
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: get on this wall, you know, blah blah blah. And

1077
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: I rest them and uh empound their cars and I

1078
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: rest them and get him back to the station. And

1079
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: and the next day the chief calls me in. Huh.

1080
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: I go into the office and and the gentleman who

1081
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: was the giver, I guess he would say. He's sitting

1082
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: there in the Chief's office and hes, uh, Officer Black,

1083
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: Uh this is so and so, yeah, we've met. And

1084
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: he says, uh, he claims that there was a misunderstanding

1085
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: yesterday when when you opened the restroom door. And uh,

1086
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: of course he's sitting there shaking his head. Yeah, yeah,

1087
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: it's just a big misunderstanding. And the chief says, he's

1088
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: claiming that, uh, you know, he he dropped his keys

1089
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: and was was bent over in front of this other

1090
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: gentleman who was just standing there waiting to go to

1091
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and that's when you opened the door. What

1092
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: do you have to say about that? And I said, well,

1093
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they could could have happened, but how did

1094
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: this guy's pecker fall out into his mouth? That's the

1095
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: part I'm having problems with. And she just looks at

1096
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: me and goes Officer Black that that's in the year

1097
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: kick you can go ahead. So I left and I thought, okay,

1098
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: well this is done deal now. A little while later,

1099
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: here comes this guy's wife and she's she's like a big,

1100
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: tall english woman and uh She's like, uh, you know,

1101
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: I want to know what happened because I don't think

1102
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: he's telling me the truth. And I'm like, well, what's

1103
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: he telling you? And she says, well, she claimed he

1104
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: was in the bathroom, dropped his keys, blah blah blah.

1105
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: And I said, now, that's not what happened, you know.

1106
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: And then I told her, I said, you know he

1107
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: was doing what he was doing. She said, well, this

1108
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: is the second time he's been arrested in a public restaurant,

1109
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: and the first time was in Houston and he got

1110
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: arrested because with a bunch of other men, and he

1111
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: claims he had just walked in there to go to

1112
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: the restroom when they busted place. And that's what I

1113
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: can shure you, that's not what happened. So he uh,

1114
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: he comes at it turns out he's a local. Uh,

1115
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 1: he's he's a local big wig in one of the churches,

1116
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: and he was doing to leave the next week to

1117
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: go on a mission. Thrill and uh, Needles say that

1118
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Oh my god. And those are the type

1119
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: of stories you're going to get in this book. I mean, it's,

1120
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: like like you said to Jael, with some serious issues,

1121
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of laugh out loud, uh, just

1122
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: funny stories from being a small town cops. So people

1123
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: should really check it out. Um. You know, I liked

1124
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: in there that you did a dedication you know, officers

1125
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: that you've served with who have fallen. Uh. I want

1126
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: to ask you one last question actually really too, but

1127
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your take on kind of another

1128
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: serious thing. But you've since left the police department, and

1129
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: really since that time has grown the height and in

1130
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: I guess popularity or um or just the use of

1131
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: body cams. And uh, I just want to hear you know,

1132
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: because that plays into what you were saying before about

1133
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: the mentality out there. I've had cops actually have emailed

1134
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: the show before and have said they're glad that the

1135
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: body cams are being used because you know, now it

1136
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: shows that the story that they're telling is exactly went

1137
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: down and and you know, these guys can't just make

1138
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: up a story. Then after they get arrested, do you

1139
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing or a bad thing? I

1140
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to hear your take on that.

1141
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: I think body cameras are the greatest thing going. I mean,

1142
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: any comp who doesn't want a bodycam is crazy because

1143
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: bodycam can keep you out of trouble a hundred a

1144
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time. You know, if you're doing

1145
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: right and you've got a bodycam them, then you never

1146
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: have to worry about anything. And I can't tell you

1147
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: how many times I had citizens come in to complain

1148
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: about one of my officers. And we didn't have body

1149
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: cams at the time, but we had the cameras in

1150
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: the cars and uh then and of course the officers

1151
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: had the microphones on. And I can't tell you the

1152
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: amount of times that someone would come in and claim

1153
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: that that my officer had been road or my officer

1154
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: had custom or you know, anything else. And of course

1155
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: the first thing you do is golden Pool the video

1156
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: and my favorite thing of all time was bringing them

1157
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: in and setting them down and playing that video and saying,

1158
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: show me where this happened. And you know they would

1159
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: always suddenly get in a hurry leaves and uh, body

1160
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: cameras are are literally the greatest thing. And like I said,

1161
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: any cop that doesn't want it's just crazy. Uh. If

1162
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: I was out there now, I would not go on

1163
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: duty without a body camera if I had to buy

1164
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: my own. Yeah, So it sounds like the people doing

1165
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: the right thing are are happy with the new technology. Um.

1166
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: And then the last thing I was going to ask you,

1167
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: unless Jack is anything is that So the way that

1168
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: I was able to contact you because you're not You're

1169
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: actually a guy who's not out there on social media,

1170
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: not you know, trying to be high profile. And as

1171
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: I said, the book is relatively hard to fine. Hopefully

1172
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: we get it on apput anymore, it's not people are

1173
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: gonna look for it after this. Yeah, so hopefully if

1174
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: you can get it on an Amazon, but I will,

1175
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: I will shoot out the link. You know, it'll be

1176
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: in the description on Lulu where people could buy it. Um,

1177
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: since it's available on there. But the way I was

1178
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: able to contact was I made contact with the Coffin

1179
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: Police Department. They got in touch with you. So you

1180
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: know you're now retired. What are you sent to doing

1181
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: now that you're a retired police officer? Well, you know,

1182
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: I haven't been retired but just for a few months,

1183
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: and I'm still trying to figure out this retirement thing. Um,

1184
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm having a lot of a lot of people are

1185
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: asking me to write another book, and uh so I've

1186
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: been kicking that around, but so far, I've just been

1187
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: at a home, aggravating the hell out of my wife

1188
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to find something to do with myself.

1189
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: I would like to eventually, uh do some you know,

1190
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: maybe I was involved in all duty shooting a few

1191
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: years ago and uh that experience. I was not prepared

1192
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: for that experience at all. I had never had anybody

1193
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: tell me what's gonna happen. And I'm I would like

1194
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: to try to develop some type of corps or training,

1195
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, uh that and I can go around and

1196
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: tell these officers if you're ever involved in a in

1197
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: a critical incident or shooting, you know, this is what

1198
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: is going to have happened to you. And you know

1199
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: that experience, uh was you know three or four years ago,

1200
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, that whole saga for me

1201
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: came to an end last month. Uh. And you know,

1202
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: it can really it can really hurt families of officers

1203
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: and if they're not prepared for And I'd like to

1204
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: do something like that, Uh, you know, if you do.

1205
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I love to have you back on the

1206
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: show to talk about that. UM. I think the only

1207
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: other question. I mean, we could talk about the funny

1208
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: and stories in this book, and as I said, I

1209
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: have to finish reading it tonight. But I think the

1210
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: real question I wanted to ask you was about police

1211
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: work and policing. Um. Then I recall I believe it

1212
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: was the chief of police of Dallas actually who was

1213
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: talking um after one of those mass shootings, and he's like,

1214
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, every social problem we have, we're dumping on

1215
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: our police officers and we're asking them to deal with

1216
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: a drug problem, deal with you know, homelessness, deal with this,

1217
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: deal with us and all these things that policing was

1218
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: never meant to solve. And I just want to ask

1219
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: about your perspective as a small town cop. I mean,

1220
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: do you agree with that? Do you think that we

1221
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we ask a lot of our police officers.

1222
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: Do you think we're asking too much? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely,

1223
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: without without a doubt. Uh. The biggest example I can

1224
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: give you right off the top of my head are

1225
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: people with mental illness. I cannot tell you, and and

1226
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna piss a lot of people off, but

1227
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: it's truth. You know, there are times when we will

1228
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: deal with someone who is obviously mentally ill and just

1229
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: cannot find resources to do anything with them. I mean

1230
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: it's it's you damned if you do, damned if you don't.

1231
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: You know, um, for a long time, for the majority

1232
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: of my career, you know, when you picked up somebody

1233
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: like this or or somebody's suicidal or whatever. Uh, you know,

1234
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: you would call around to try to get them into

1235
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: a mental health facility. And you know, there's only you know,

1236
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: just a few around this area that that we could call.

1237
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: And if they were full or they said no, then

1238
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: what do you do with them? And the answer was

1239
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: most of the time, we take them back home and

1240
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: just put them up the grass. I mean, there's nothing

1241
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: else we could do. The problem is getting better, it's

1242
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: getting Uh, there's there's more resources today than I think

1243
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: there was two years ago. And uh, but you know,

1244
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: officers receive about forty hours of mental health training, uh

1245
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: to dealing with mentally ill and forty hours is nothing

1246
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: compared to you know, what you need to know to

1247
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: deal with these some of these people. Um. But you know,

1248
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: like you said when we first started here, you know,

1249
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: when you become a cop everywhere, but especially in small towns,

1250
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: you become everything. You become a psychologist, you become a nurse,

1251
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: you become you know, counselors, teachers, you name it. Because

1252
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times when you're you're presented with

1253
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: a situation that you've got somebody and the only thing

1254
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: you can do is trying to talk them down or

1255
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: talk them into a good place so that you can

1256
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: leave them and go back to work. H But yes,

1257
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: we're we're you know, we're we're dumping so much on

1258
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: officers today that they're just not trained for, they're not

1259
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: prepared for. And uh, then sometimes that's what ends up

1260
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: getting one of them in trouble, and you know, they

1261
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: end up playing the consequences for that because they weren't trained.

1262
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: So I agree with with everything that the chief said. Well, Edward,

1263
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: if you know you get that project off the ground, UM,

1264
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: please stay in touch with us and reach out. And

1265
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: I think it would be a great topic. I mean,

1266
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: we talked about PTSD and things like that as it

1267
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: relates to soldiers, UM, but we've never really gotten so

1268
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: much into that and how it affects law enforcement officers.

1269
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, maybe talking about your experience in a

1270
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, a work related shooting and going through that

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Speaker 1: whole process that might be very beneficial for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. Oh yeah, And and there's a hibsite organization

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Speaker 1: called Blue Help out there right now and they're tracking

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Speaker 1: law enforcement suicides and so far in this year and

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Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning of March, so far there

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Speaker 1: has been I believe the last number was forty three

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Speaker 1: police officers or ex officers that have killed themselves. And

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Speaker 1: uh so it's becoming a it's becoming more of a

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Speaker 1: priority now to get to get you know, guys like

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Speaker 1: me and all officers, uh, some help dealing with what

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Speaker 1: they see and what they deal with aren't daily basis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important. It's uh, it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: as a soldier, you have this experience where you deploy

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Speaker 1: to a place like Iraq, maybe you see some things,

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Speaker 1: do some things that are traumatic. Then come back home. Um,

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Speaker 1: at least you have some some some frame of reference

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Speaker 1: that you're in a different place. Maybe you're in a

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Speaker 1: safer place, you're back home in the United States. But

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Speaker 1: for a police officer, I mean, you live in the

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Speaker 1: community where you work, and whatever whatever craziness you're experiencing

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Speaker 1: on the streets, I mean, it's it's got to feel

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Speaker 1: like you can never get away from it. No, you

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Speaker 1: can never get away from it. And you know, in

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing with with small towns, it's like we've

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Speaker 1: we've it a couple of times, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: these people m h and uh. You know, I as

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Speaker 1: I tell a story in the book about a guy

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Speaker 1: named Dalian, who I talked to this guy two or

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Speaker 1: three times a week. You know, he'd be at seven

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01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: eleven getting coffee here and I'd swing in and get

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Speaker 1: a drink and and I talked to this guy all

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Speaker 1: the time. He was he was seemed like a great guy.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I pulled up one day I saw him

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Speaker 1: washing as he drove a truck. I saw him washing

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Speaker 1: his truck in the driveway, and I stopped my holiday

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01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: at he told him washing my squad car, you know.

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Speaker 1: And uh, next day he murdered his wife and daughter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh the daughter was the exact same age as

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Speaker 1: my my daughter was at the time, and and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: I was the one that that I had to go

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Speaker 1: in and find her body, her and her mother's body.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's not something that you just oh way,

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Speaker 1: let's go to lunch now, you know, it's not something

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Speaker 1: that you just did. And uh, you know, I can

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Speaker 1: remember the smell of that house. I can remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: every detail about that day, and that was many years ago.

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Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, you know, you know these people when

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Speaker 1: you get to know what's going on with them, and

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Speaker 1: then you never know, you know, the next day, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: something like this could happen. Is that in your book? Yes, okay, no,

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Speaker 1: I just haven't gotten that part yet. Yeah, that's in there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of hilarious stories in the books.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have told me that they're just

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Speaker 1: rolling reading the book, and and uh, of course every

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Speaker 1: time I hear that, it makes me feel good because

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Speaker 1: you know, I like, I like to inject humor in

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Speaker 1: the things that I do. And and this this career

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Speaker 1: that I was in. You know, you either laugh or

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Speaker 1: you cry, so so you know you gotta look at

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Speaker 1: it like that. But no, I really I'm really enjoying

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Speaker 1: that aspect of the book because it's it's very raw

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Speaker 1: and and it's very real. I mean, it's telling the

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Speaker 1: absurdity of the job as well as you know, the

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Speaker 1: horror of it at other times. You know, well, I

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Speaker 1: should appreciate you saying that that that that means a

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Speaker 1: lot to me because that's exactly what I was going for.

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Speaker 1: You know, tell it like it is, but you know,

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Speaker 1: be able to laugh at it too, for sure. Thanks

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01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: so much. The book once again is Captain Black, True

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Speaker 1: Stories of a Small Town Cop. And uh, the link

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Speaker 1: in the description here, I'll have to the store on

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Speaker 1: Lulu and hopefully you'll have it up elsewhere. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this audience could go right there and pick up the

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Speaker 1: paperback and uh yeah, yeah, I'll do my best to

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Speaker 1: get it on Amazon. Yeah for sure. I mean people

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Speaker 1: can order it there, but I think there's some people

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Speaker 1: who might want it digitally and all that, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: people who don't kindle. But it's a great book. Pick

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Speaker 1: it up and and thanks for making the time and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we're able to track you down. It's it's

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Speaker 1: cool that they you know, we're we're able to contact

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Speaker 1: you for me. Um, because like I said, but most

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Speaker 1: of the people we book on the show there and

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Speaker 1: in program, they're on Twitter. And you're a guy who's

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Speaker 1: you know, at this point enjoying life as a private citizen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I sure, I am gonna you know, I surely appreciate

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Speaker 1: you having me on and I've enjoyed it, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I wish you guys the best. Thank you, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: brings some new flavor to the show. And like we said,

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Speaker 1: there's a heavy law enforcement UM presence that listens to

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Speaker 1: the show, and hopefully you guys got something out of

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Speaker 1: that as well as people who want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about you know, the small town cop. It's a great book.

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Speaker 1: Pick it up. Um. Before we wrap things up, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention, uh, a lot of people have been

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Speaker 1: commenting on this because you know, Don Shipley's YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: is very popular among people like our audience who love

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Speaker 1: seeing the stolen valor stuff and exposing the fake Navy

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Speaker 1: seals and a lot of them are really just so entertaining,

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Speaker 1: and YouTube is shut down Don Shipley's channel. I know

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Speaker 1: he's kind of suspicious about the timing of it because

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Speaker 1: the last video that he did was exposing the you know,

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Speaker 1: alleged Vietnam veteran who went up to those bids in

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Speaker 1: the Make America Great Again hats uh and not a

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Speaker 1: Vietnam veteran, and and no one did fact checking. I mean,

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01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: he went on CNN and they called him a Vietnam

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Speaker 1: veteran and then he started saying, I'm a Vietnam Times veteran,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Don Shipley did his research and the

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Speaker 1: guy was not a Vietnam veteran, regardless of how the

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Speaker 1: news reported on it. And shortly after that last expose,

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Speaker 1: which got a lot of attention, he was shut down, uh,

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Speaker 1: and the platform said it was basically because of harassment

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Speaker 1: and information that he was giving out there that other

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Speaker 1: people could use. UM. But I mean, he's been doing

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Speaker 1: this for years and suddenly he gets shut down and

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Speaker 1: it does kind of suck for people who love his channel. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact offense was or alleged

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Speaker 1: defense was that that Don Shipley committed that got his

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel band. But yeah, if I if I find UM,

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Speaker 1: I could read their statement if I find it here,

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Speaker 1: because I think I set you an article, but it's

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Speaker 1: been covered like here. This one's from americanitary news dot com.

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Speaker 1: Who we know the guys behind UM. Let's see here.

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Speaker 1: So here's what he told PJ Media. He said this

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Speaker 1: time I was told or is there something before that? UM? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: says Previously, Shipley's videos were taken down for YouTube occasionally

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Speaker 1: UM for violations ranging from music or movie copyrights. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's normal. UM. Shipley knew it would be a matter

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Speaker 1: of time until his entire channel would be banned, which

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Speaker 1: is exactly what happened February twenty one. Fox reported last week,

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Speaker 1: UM and he was interviewed on PJ Media and said,

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Speaker 1: this time I was told that emailed that I was

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Speaker 1: banned from a video I posted several years ago about

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Speaker 1: a phony Navy seal. But after several years, I doubt

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Speaker 1: that caused that. If you asked me, it was because

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Speaker 1: I added Nathan Phillips, that Indian who masqueraded as a

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Speaker 1: Vietnam vett um. But there was another article I saent

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Speaker 1: you though, that had YouTube statement, which might be the

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Speaker 1: Fox News one. See if I could find that, if

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Speaker 1: you had already had a bunch of suspensions, maybe it

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Speaker 1: was like one of those three strikes you're out kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. Um, but here's what it says YouTube

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Speaker 1: and an email to Fox News said Shipley's account was

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Speaker 1: terminated because he was sharing too much information. The company

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Speaker 1: said that info could be used to identify other people,

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Speaker 1: and YouTube claimed Shipley sometimes enticed Internet users to reach

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Speaker 1: out to those people and his videos directly to criticize them.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why YouTube takes harassment and the sharing of

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Speaker 1: and we have strict policies against it in our community guidelines.

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Speaker 1: We review flagged content and remove inappropriate videos or terminate accounts,

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Speaker 1: um terminate channels according to these policies. Uh, you know

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Speaker 1: it is interesting timing. I don't know. I mean that

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Speaker 1: makes sense as well. I could also say that, uh,

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Speaker 1: or I could also see that for these guys who

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Speaker 1: pisses them off, then they can get their friends and

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: family members to report it to YouTube and and channel.

1480
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: Yet and his entire channel is dedicated to exposing phony veterans.

1481
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: So for every one of those videos, I'm sure that

1482
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of complaints and then those all

1483
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: pile up. And I'll tell you just a little personal anecdote. Um,

1484
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: there's this person on Twitter actually pretending they were pretending

1485
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: to be a seal actually and they were harassing me.

1486
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, so, I'm like, who the funk

1487
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: is this person? I was able to figure out who

1488
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: it was, and it's this woman who's just a total

1489
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: fucking psycho, like a well known psycho, Like people know

1490
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 1: she's nuts. Um, And um, I like said it publicly.

1491
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: I actually said it on Facebook and elsewhere and saying

1492
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: like this, here's this account, this person pretending to be

1493
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 1: a seal. It is actually this person she's a fucking psycho.

1494
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I said she was a fucking psycho,

1495
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: but I said something to that effect like this this

1496
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: person is whacked in the head. And um, A couple

1497
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: of years later, I got spend it. I got put

1498
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 1: in Facebook jail for like two whole weeks over that post.

1499
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: So I can only imagine that she must have gone

1500
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: back in time and found that and reported it and

1501
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: then yeah and and if um oh was that article

1502
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: I posted or or you can get um as you said,

1503
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: strikes on your account for different things. Because the more

1504
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: one of the more recent high profile d platform ngs

1505
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I know of um and he's back on because you know,

1506
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of fitness stuff on YouTube. There's

1507
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: this very controversial guy in the fitness community named Vegan

1508
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: Gains and he Vegan. He's this vegan guy and he's

1509
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: very into fitness and he's very into saying that, you know,

1510
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: eating meat is like the worst thing in the world,

1511
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: and you know, but anyway, he does these videos called

1512
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst of the fitness industry, and

1513
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: it'll you know, criticize a lot of people. Most of

1514
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: them who do eat meat or encourage the eating of

1515
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: meat and that type of thing. But anyway, he he

1516
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: did an interview with UM, my friend C works on

1517
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: that channel r X Muscle and by Dave Blombo and

1518
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: did an interview about it. And he says that yet

1519
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: it was like he had strikes from years ago for

1520
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: stuff that he said about other people and then it

1521
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: all added up YouTube platform them. But then he was

1522
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: able to get back on there is that happened. There's

1523
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: an article I can't remember off the off hand. I

1524
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: posted it on Twitter about who does this stuff for Facebook?

1525
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: And so Facebook outsources it too smaller companies and um,

1526
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: this journalist got a bunch of sources inside one of

1527
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: these companies UM to talk to her and they're they're

1528
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: basically just a bunch of kids working at minimum wage

1529
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 1: UM and kind of shitty conditions. And they have to

1530
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: sit there in front of the computer, very strict hours,

1531
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: very strict breaks they're allowed to take, and um, anything

1532
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: that's been flagged by users on Facebook, it shows up

1533
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: and they have to make the determination based on policy

1534
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: guidelines from Facebook. Do you what what action do you take?

1535
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Do you remove the content? Do bann the user like

1536
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: what you do. And so in a lot of these people,

1537
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: young people are like fucking traumatized because we're seeing like

1538
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 1: murders and ship all kinds of stuff every day. Um,

1539
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: and so they just fall into these like depressions and

1540
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: they start using drugs and stuff like that is not

1541
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: something it gives you. It gives you an insight into

1542
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: like what's really going on, um within these companies. And

1543
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean we're really there's a lot of accusations that

1544
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: it's political, that it's this and that, and I think

1545
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: if you read that article, you'll see that it's actually

1546
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: just a bunch of people working for minimum wage trying

1547
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: to make the best decision they can based on um,

1548
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: very opaque guidance from Facebook itself that doesn't make sense

1549
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: to them and contradicts itself. And so it comes down

1550
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: to some guys sitting behind a screen or girl sitting

1551
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: behind a screen that like has to make a determination.

1552
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: I would not want to do that job, as I said, um,

1553
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: because the one thing that it reminds me of is,

1554
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: uh so at my previous job, there were guys in

1555
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: my office who love to go on World Star Hip

1556
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Hop every day and see those like videos of and

1557
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: World Star, Hip Hop World Star yea, for those world

1558
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: it's way more um, just people behaving badly than anything,

1559
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: like it's like women fighting each other and McDonald's and stuff. Yeah,

1560
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: it's stuff like that, But then there's also stuff in

1561
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: there that's just really dark. I feel like where you'll

1562
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: see you know, someone some guy just minding his own

1563
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: business getting jumped by like ten people. And I saw

1564
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: on Facebook back in the day when the Syrian Civil

1565
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: War was starting up, and like the dicest stuff. I

1566
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: remember that the death squads were going around and I

1567
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: mean I saw a video of children being tortured on

1568
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Yeah, so I don't know, I've seen that.

1569
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: I've videos of entire families executed actually in Syria. I've

1570
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: seen some pretty crazy ship though, because the World Star

1571
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: and some other stuff, and it's like, I I do

1572
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: not like to look at that. I just block it

1573
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: out now. And it's not because I really do feel

1574
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: like everything you look at, everything you listen to, it's

1575
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna affect your mentality. And that's why I don't even

1576
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, watch mainstream news anymore. I try to watch

1577
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: things that are just more positive or interesting. And I

1578
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: mean I do stay informed. But I even think if

1579
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: you're the type of person who's on Twitter NonStop being

1580
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: outraged by everything, it's just not good for your mentality.

1581
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: So I really don't. And one of it's one of

1582
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: those things like are you looking at this for a reason,

1583
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Is you're trying to do something productive and helpful or

1584
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: are you just like glocking like people golck out a

1585
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: car crash? Yeah, you know, but well, and I think

1586
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: it's changed everything in that today. Um, you know, when

1587
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: someone jumps in front of a railroad and commit suicide,

1588
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: you literally see stories now people just whipping out their

1589
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: phones and taking video of it, and then you know,

1590
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: really irresponsibly major publications airing that type of thing. You know,

1591
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,759
Speaker 1: I I really thought it was a poor decision. For example,

1592
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: when those um news anchors were um shot and killed

1593
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: live on TV. Remember that my friend Amanda Kenny worked

1594
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: for that news station, knew those news anchors, and I

1595
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: thought it was a really poor decision by you know,

1596
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 1: I know, the New York Post had the cover was

1597
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: those news anchors being shot, And I think something like

1598
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 1: that should not be the the front page of a newspaper.

1599
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: The families of those those people who were just we're

1600
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: working in news, don't want to see that. Yeah, I

1601
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: mean it's one of those things like do you show

1602
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: people like literally exactly what happened or or not? And

1603
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, So I think just the way

1604
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: media is today has changed things, and I do hate

1605
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 1: to see that that more people, I think are less

1606
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: likely to help out during a terrible situation than to

1607
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 1: whip out their phones, take video of it and then

1608
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: send it to World Star hip hop or put it

1609
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I mean, that's not the way things should

1610
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: be now. It shouldn't be. Um, I don't know that.

1611
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like some psychological studies on that, like

1612
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: the phenomena where people act like mere cat you know,

1613
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: where it's like you know, like like you ever see

1614
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 1: those documentaries like National Geographic where like the alligator comes

1615
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: out of the water and hole and like grabs an

1616
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: animal and starts pulling it in and what do the

1617
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: other animals do? They stand there and watch like they

1618
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: look And that's what that's what I think we've become

1619
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: in any ways. I think that's what we've always been. Yeah,

1620
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: but now technology it's gotten work. Now now it's more obvious. Yeah,

1621
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: so anyway, I don't even know how we got onto

1622
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: that from from but but this has been an interesting episode.

1623
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Go pick up Edwards Black Edward Black's book. Next episode,

1624
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Jake's wig on. I haven't spoken to

1625
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Jake in a while. Jake actually texted me how to

1626
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: nowhere and he told me about this family that that

1627
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: needed help UM and they needed um a car and

1628
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, the single mother and everything. But the thing is,

1629
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't spoken to Jake in years, so I was like,

1630
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: who who is this? Then it as it was Jake's wig,

1631
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: and I checked out to go fund me and you know,

1632
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 1: helped out. Uh So maybe he'll talk about that because

1633
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: he's been very hands on with this family. He was like, there,

1634
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: you know, fans of Jude, you're screwed. And this woman

1635
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 1: reached out to me and he started this go funding

1636
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: up and I think it's cool when people do grassroots

1637
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that to help. And he raised a lot

1638
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: of money for this woman and then he's other things

1639
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: going on professionally. I think Jake's just an interesting guy

1640
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: because he became this like I noticed from the first

1641
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: time we had him on UM because I wasn't a

1642
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: guy watched Top Shot. He became like this villain uh

1643
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: in the community. When we would have him on for

1644
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 1: the first time, I got so many messages that were like,

1645
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: this guy's at Jerich Wide you have him on. And

1646
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: it turns out like a lot of that was done

1647
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: due to clever editing of the shows he was on

1648
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to make him kind of the villain of the show.

1649
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: That's what That's what those reality TV shows do is

1650
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: like somebody, they're like those different rules people have to fill.

1651
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 1: There's the hero, there's the villain. I remember talking to

1652
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: one woman who was on a on a reality TV

1653
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: show and it was like they needed a character to

1654
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: be the bitch, soy they edited it and made it

1655
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 1: out so that I was the bitch. Was like horrified

1656
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, I mean, be careful if you sign

1657
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: up for some type of reality show or something, because

1658
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: they could edit it however they wanted. I was on

1659
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 1: reality TV. I mean it was technically I got to

1660
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: be the hero characters. Yeah, do you still get hit

1661
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: up about that? I mean I thought it was cool,

1662
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: cool concept for a show. And someone at my daughter's

1663
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 1: school said, I saw your father on TV. He was

1664
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: building a death ray even though you technically were not

1665
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: the guy. I did not I did not build it.

1666
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 1: Now who was the guy again? He Aaron. He was

1667
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 1: a super talented guy. Aaron is. Uh yeah, he's he's

1668
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: like a mad scientist. He builds Tesla technology for a living.

1669
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: That's his whole job. Yeah. Um, you could probably still

1670
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,560
Speaker 1: watch um that show right now. You can find it

1671
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 1: on like video on demand discovery channel right. Uh. Yeah,

1672
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: it's I can't remember the name of it. I think

1673
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: it's like the Tesla Files are Murdered Declassified. I think

1674
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: that's the title of it. You should know. I mean

1675
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: it was your show. Yeah, they changed it several times

1676
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 1: while we were in production though. So yeah, next show,

1677
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 1: Jake's leg we have Mike Flitz coming back on. I'd

1678
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: love to hear what Mike's been up and several years

1679
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: since we've had him. And then, like I said, we're

1680
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna do this email show. So email any questions to

1681
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 1: softwarep dot Radio at softwarep dot com. We have a

1682
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 1: bunch coming in and we'll try to answer anything that

1683
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you can on and I'll forward it over to you.

1684
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: As we said, Jack, Yeah, I will. I'll put out

1685
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: some feelers on social media too, with an email if

1686
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: people want to email in absolutely, because you know, we

1687
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: don't get to answer as much as we'd like. Yeah,

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