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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, it's James here. If you don't listen to

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Speaker 2: pops onto this feed every few months to tell you

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm here today. A terrible earthquake struck me

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Speaker 2: and Ma today the day I'm recording this, which is Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of March, it was seven point seven

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Speaker 2: on the Rigter scale. We know of more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred deaths, but it's likely the death toll is much

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Speaker 2: much much higher. Lots of the telegraph and internet infrastructure

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Speaker 2: has been taken out by the earthquake, and the Hunter

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Speaker 2: imagine it will be very high. As one of the

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Speaker 2: areas most affected was Mandalay, which is the second largest

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Speaker 2: city in Meammah. I've spoken to half a dozen sources

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Speaker 2: They're all okay, but they all shared how terrible things were.

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Speaker 2: the time of Cyclonnagus, which would say terrible disaster in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. If you would like to support

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Speaker 2: the people of Burma who are currently fighting against tyrannical

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Speaker 2: dictatorship as well as dealing with the consequences of this

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Speaker 2: do so. I was actually already running a fundraiser on

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Speaker 2: my Patreon for MOBIAPDF. They are a casualty evacuation team

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Speaker 2: in southern chance State right at the fiercest part of

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Speaker 2: the fighting right now. They don't fight. What they do

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Speaker 2: and they provide medical services to internally displace people. They've

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Speaker 2: been doing this since twenty twenty one. They're incredibly brave

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Speaker 2: people and they've saved more than three hundred lives. You

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Speaker 2: can read more about them by going to my Patreon post,

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Speaker 2: which also includes all the links for donation. The website

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Speaker 2: for that is TinyURL dot com slash help hyphen Meanmar.

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Speaker 2: Burma Rangers dot org. They're a fantastic endio. They've been

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Speaker 2: doing a lot of medical work in the liberated zones

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Speaker 2: of BMR for a very long time. They've also worked

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Speaker 2: in Java and lots of other place around the world

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Speaker 2: He's well and he told me that they're already starting

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where you

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Speaker 1: know Mengesh our great guests for today. You know that

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Speaker 1: you ever heard that that that quote come at the

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's a quote people say, and I'm saying

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Speaker 1: it now because I've decided. I had a dream last night,

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Speaker 1: you and I on you when I was not. Excuse me, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: let's cut that out. No cometh the time cometh the Man.

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Speaker 1: And I had a vision last night while I was dreaming.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I had a vision while I was dreaming

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Speaker 1: about how to save America. And so I'm gonna. I've

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Speaker 1: decided I'm running in twenty twenty eight, and I'm running

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Speaker 1: Uh So, let's get back into this less happy story

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Speaker 1: of medicine. The Autism Research Institute and our buddy doctor

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Speaker 1: Rimland wrote in to defend doctors Usman and Carrie after

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Speaker 1: A subsequent statement put out by Dan claimed that chelation

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Speaker 1: we might want to administer chelation therapy. You're not a doctor, mangesh,

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Speaker 1: The way you give these blood is, first you chilate

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Speaker 1: you know, like holy fuck. They tried dozens of treatments

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Speaker 1: that claim to have recovered children with autism, including numerous

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Speaker 1: vitamin supplements, topical ointments, restrictive diets, chillation, hyperbaric oxygen therapy,

431
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: brain scans, a so called detoxification system, and stem cell therapy.

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Speaker 1: In other words, she went through all the con therapies

433
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Speaker 1: we've covered in these episodes and a bunch more. She

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Speaker 1: describes her mind state after each failure as I thought,

435
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do it right, Let me do it again.

436
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: And this is the consequence of this. It's not unreasonable

437
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: to say they're like, well, if if your kid has

438
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Speaker 1: a condition or an illness, part of treating it properly

439
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: is the parent needs to be an advocate for their

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00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: kid and involved in the treatment. Not an unreasonable statement,

441
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Speaker 1: but there's this attitude that that means that like the

442
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: it's the parent is responsible for figuring it out. And like, well,

443
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: but you're like a you're like a fucking accountant or something,

444
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 1: like you don't know how to you you're not a

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00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: medical expert. You know what you're doing, Like you know

446
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be diagnosing your kid here.

447
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Also you can see how like you you like slip

448
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: from one to the next and next because you're increasingly desperate.

449
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, once you're dealing with like a shaman,

450
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Speaker 3: and like it feels like someone in.

451
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Speaker 1: A psychic shaman knows how to curas. The ultimate result

452
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Speaker 1: of all these specialty diets was that Emma shed body

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Speaker 1: weight at a dangerous pace, loosening fifteen percent of her

454
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Speaker 1: weight in six weeks. Now, Emma's mom had by this

455
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Speaker 1: point come to believe that her daughter had something that

456
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: is another common line in biomedical HUI that GI problems

457
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: like leaky gut might help cause symptoms of autism. It doesn't.

458
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: None of her attempts to fix Emma's microbiome worked. Arianne

459
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Speaker 1: kept going quote, I thought any treatment was better than

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Speaker 1: doing nothing at all. It's this, I can't think of

461
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: anything else to do better press the gas, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's just not it's not smart, sometimes outbreaking. I have

463
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: a friend who's in er news. She says, sometimes the

464
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: best thing to do with the site of a disaster

465
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: is like smoke a cigarette and just kind of think

466
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Speaker 1: things out for a second before you get in there, right,

467
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: And that sounds horrifying to a lot of people, but

468
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Speaker 1: this is a person who deals with emergencies every day.

469
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Speaker 1: Sometimes your best bet is like give it a sec. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially Threw.

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Speaker 3: Everyone in the autism community is telling you that, like

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Speaker 3: there's a ticking clock right, like you're trying to raise

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Speaker 3: and beat the clock.

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Speaker 1: And this is also it's another thing. It's the thing

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Speaker 1: that gets people killed in war zones. You know, I've

476
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: seen it like this, this desire, this feeling, a need

477
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: to do something. When again, the people who are the

478
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Speaker 1: real veteran, it's the people number one, they also do

479
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: react when they need to, but they also don't react

480
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: all the time when they don't need to. They tend

481
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Speaker 1: to keep to watch shit to think, you know, because

482
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Speaker 1: otherwise you die horribly anyway, her kid loses a disastrous

483
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Speaker 1: amount of weight, and none of these attempts to fix

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Speaker 1: emma work at all. This is the state of mind,

485
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Speaker 1: this idea, I've got to do something. That's most of

486
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Speaker 1: what these parents find themselves in. And the market for

487
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: quack cures has only grown. I stated in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and nine about seventy five percent of parents of children

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Speaker 1: with autism reported using alternate medicine. Today's about eighty eight percent,

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Speaker 1: nearly all of them if you have the money. They

491
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Speaker 1: are a truly dizzy number of options available, like spect,

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Speaker 1: a thirty five hundred dollars treatment that scans a child's

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Speaker 1: brain to diagnose them and derive targeted treatments for their

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Speaker 1: individual autism. This is in spite of the fact that

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Speaker 1: brain scans like spect can't reveal autism. They don't, you

496
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Speaker 1: don't see it that way, and of course they can't

497
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: like figure out this specific treatment has how to help

498
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: your kid, right, But parents love that shit, like the oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get the exact kind of therapy for

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Speaker 1: my individual kid. No, that's just you're not doing it

501
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: this way. Sorry, maybe the therapy your kid needs is

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00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: for you to just like them.

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Speaker 3: Well. Also, also, once your kid has autism and then

504
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: you get a skin, you can point to anything and say, like, sure,

505
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: the cost of this thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but it says autism,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably the most costly of these new interventions

508
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Speaker 1: of stem cell therapy. And this might actually be there

509
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Speaker 1: might be treatment derived from this in the future. It's

510
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Speaker 1: very far from clear at this point. Right at the moment,

511
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: it is not approved as a treatment in the US.

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Speaker 1: There are several trials gathering data on whether it's safer effective.

513
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: But again, the parents who think their kids have this

514
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: ticking clock before their life is ruined don't want to wait,

515
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: and as The Atlantic reports quote, several foreign clinics offer

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Speaker 1: it for around ten thousand dollars. Sarah Collins credits the

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Speaker 1: adult stem cell injections her two children received in Panama Seti,

518
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Speaker 1: Panama with the recovery of her older son and improvement

519
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: in her younger son. Both of them were diagnosed with autism.

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00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: Her experience led her to co found the stem Cell

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Autism Facebook group. She says one reason parents

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Speaker 1: might not want to take part in clinical trials in

523
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Speaker 1: the US is that their child might wind up in

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Speaker 1: the placebo arm of the trial. They won't mess with that,

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Speaker 1: They'll go right to Panama instead. Again, you get both

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Speaker 1: the psychology of life. Well, I don't want my kid

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Speaker 1: to be I want them to get the medicine now.

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00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: But it's like, ultimately, your desire to do something now

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00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: is making your kid and everyone else you love everywhere

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Speaker 1: in the world less safe. Because good medicine relies on

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Speaker 1: good double blind studies with placebos. That's how you do

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Speaker 1: medical studies. And by delaying this number one, you are

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Speaker 1: slowing down the process by which science will get done.

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Speaker 1: But also by going to Panama to get whatever the

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Speaker 1: fuck shot into your kid, will say that clinic doesn't

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Speaker 1: have good standards. Say your kid gets hurt, and maybe

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00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: it's not even because of actual stem cell therapeages, because

538
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: something else fucked up happened, but there's this horrible public

539
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: death or illness associated with it, and that shuts down

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Speaker 1: research into a thing that may one day lead to

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Speaker 1: treatments that help people right, that alleviate some symptom or something.

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00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: You are doing nothing but harm by doing this out

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00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: of this desire that like, well, but I got to

544
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: focus on my kid, and it's like, no, it's this

545
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: fucking no, no no. Emma's mom eventually made the right decision,

546
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Speaker 1: after about seven years of trying this carousel of treatments,

547
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Speaker 1: to reach out to an adult with autism and talk

548
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Speaker 1: to them about her kid. This adult was Julia Bascomb,

549
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Speaker 1: who has a blog called Just Stemming This. Talking to

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Speaker 1: Julia Keeter her in on the fact that well, maybe

551
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: autism isn't like, doesn't mean my kid has no life.

552
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they could be happy as a person with autism,

553
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Speaker 1: and I should focus on that because it's just the

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Speaker 1: way they are, Emma's mom wrote, quote, my entire focus changed.

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00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Instead of fighting against Emma's neurology and trying to cure

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Speaker 1: this heinous disorder, I started finding ways to help her flourish.

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00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: And that's it, really right, Like that's the ball game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just to just robbing yourself of like the

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: joy of being able to enjoy your kid and see them,

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00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: you know, is stunning because you're so worried.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I mean, and it's it is tragic, like

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Speaker 1: the amount of the wasted years you're so obsessed doing

563
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: this that you're not actually having a relationship with your

564
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: kid as your kid. You're having a relationship with your

565
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: kid as a sick thing you need to fix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a guinea pig.

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00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: It's sad now in this case. So one of the

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Speaker 1: first things she does when she has this shift in mindset,

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Speaker 1: she realizes, like, Emma's not great at talking. This is

570
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: a big problem for her, that like, your kid can't

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Speaker 1: really talk and like communicate verbally. And so instead of

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00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: trying and shooting her up with more drugs and shit,

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00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: she tries a different kind of intervention. She gives your

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Speaker 1: kid a keyboard setup so Emma can type out her thoughts,

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Speaker 1: and suddenly Emma starts communicating very clearly with people and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world. She gets on track to

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Speaker 1: get her high school diploma. The fact that she now

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00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: they figured out how she individually needs to communicate gives

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Speaker 1: her a chance to advocate for herself and to live

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Speaker 1: a life. While Zurchier told The Atlantic that she now

581
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Speaker 1: views the money she wasted on quack treatments as insane,

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Speaker 1: and Emma herself insists that only occupational therapy provided her

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Speaker 1: with any benefit, and occupational therapy is a real thing

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Speaker 1: that can help. She also insists she's not angry at

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Speaker 1: her mom. Quote, you thought my autism was hurting me

586
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: and that you needed to remove it, but you did

587
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Speaker 1: not understand that it is a neurological difference. Fear caused

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Speaker 1: you to behave with desperation.

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Speaker 3: What an incredibly mature way to.

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Speaker 1: Type on Jesus. Yeah, and that would be a beautiful

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00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: note to end on. Mangesh, this is behind the bastards,

592
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna end on that uplifting note. Instead,

593
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a whole nother story about one

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Speaker 1: of these quack bastards, one of the worst of these

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00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: sons of bitches, an asshole named James Jeffrey Bradstreet. Three names,

596
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: real serial killer. Shit for James Jeffrey Bradstreet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this episode and part one just the names.

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Speaker 1: The name always the worst. Born in July nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: four in Florida, Bradstreet was at one point a Christian

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Speaker 1: preacher who got a medical degree from the University of Florida.

601
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: We're doing great, knocking it out of the park so far.

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00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: His postgraduate research was an aerospace medicine, and his actual

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00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: career was as a family doctor. But In nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: after he'd been practicing for a little over a decade,

605
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: his son was diagnosed with autism. As Fitspatrick writes, Jeff

606
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Bradstreet abandoned his career as a family doctor to become

607
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: a radio talk show host. Great Great start, Great start.

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Speaker 1: He immediately met up with the biomedical activists and founded

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Speaker 1: the International Child Development Resource Center in Florida, or the ICDRC.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and one. He appointed Andrew Wakefield to

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Speaker 1: be head of research there. Brad Street was a big

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Speaker 1: believer in merging his evangelical Christian faith with his treatments

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00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: for autism, and so he created the Good News Doctor

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Speaker 1: Foundation Now again. Bradstreet's training was two years of residency

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Speaker 1: in obstetrics and some added training in aerospace medicine. He

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00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: was not board certified in any specialty, yet he advertised

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Speaker 1: himself as a biomedical expert in autism treatment who specialized

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Speaker 1: in correcting biochemical imbalances as well as detoxification. Wow, again,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who's like qualified to help your

620
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: kid with the flu. You know, right, not to like

621
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: downplay family medicine, but this is not a guy who's

622
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: qualified cure among other things nobody is. It's not a thing.

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Speaker 1: That's not a thing that happens. In the book Deadly Choices,

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00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Paul Offatt describes Bradstreet's clinical approach this way. Bradstreet had

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Speaker 1: promoted several cures for autism, including secret in chellation, immunoglobulin

626
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: administered by mouth and by vain, and PREDDA zone, a

627
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: potent steroid that suppresses the immune system. He also prescribed

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Speaker 1: dietary supplements he sold in his office. As one expert

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Speaker 1: put it, the nutritional supplements prescribed by doctor Bradstreet were

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Speaker 1: also sold by doctor Bradstreet.

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Speaker 4: That's fine, cool, and this is we're like the late nineties, right,

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: this is yeah, yeah, this guy would be on TikTok.

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00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh my, oh he might have been. Actually, you know what, Sophie,

634
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: good news. We're gonna talk about what this guy ends

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: up doing in the present era. It's actually the best

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00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: part of the story. So in nineteen ninety nine, Bradstreet

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: began treating Colton Snyder, ultimately examining him more than one

638
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty times and ordering a number of invasive

639
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: lab tests that were not approved by the FDA. Among

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00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: these were multiple spinal taps. If you've had spinal tap.

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: That's not a thing you fuck around with. They're just

642
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: stabbing this kid in the spine with needles. See that

643
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: makes it better.

644
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: One hundred and sixty times. Feels very, very feels.

645
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Like a lot of visits. Feels like a lot of visits.

646
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: They also insert a fiber optic scope into Colton's stomach

647
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: and colon as off. It writes all these tests and

648
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: procedures were expensive, potentially dangerous, and, according to the opinions

649
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: of expert witnesses, of no value to the child.

650
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

651
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Now, Brad streets. This is not said directly, but his

652
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: parents have money. This is not cheap. That's why Bradstreet's

653
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: doing this. His medical documentation of Snyder ultimately runs to

654
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: some six hundred and fifty pages. He diagnoses the boy

655
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: over the years with autism, yeast overgrowth, a funk infection unspecified,

656
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: and sepalopathy unspecified, unicaria, and a shitload of other things.

657
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: And it's so many different things that it is clear

658
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: that what's going on here is Brad Street has this

659
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: is like a munchausends by doctor syndrome, right, And he's

660
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: not doing it because he's deluded. He's doing it because

661
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: he is a mercenary with the goal of keeping Colton's

662
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: parents paying for very expensive tests and treatments for forever. Right,

663
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: none of Colton's mercury tests wherever high, but still Bradstreet,

664
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: who believed mercury contributed to autism, prescribed numerous rounds of

665
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: chelation therapy. A rite up in Quackwatch summarizes broad Street

666
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: conceded that Colton did not respond well to chelation. The

667
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: medical records, including reports from missus Snyder, reflected that Colton

668
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: did poorly after every round of chelation therapy. The more

669
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: disturbing question is why chelation was performed at all in

670
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: view of the normal levels of mercury found in the hair, blood,

671
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: and urine. It's apparent lack of efficacy in treating Colton's

672
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: syndroms and the adverse side effects that apparently caused. That's

673
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: another thing you encounter where these parents and these practitioners.

674
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Practitioners will convince the parents, oh, yeah, if your kids

675
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: having there, if they're responding negatively, that's the toxins leaving.

676
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: Of course, it's ugly, you know.

677
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's so hard, that's awful.

678
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: It's real fucked up these people should all have god

679
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: to prison. They should all still go to prison. Yeah,

680
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: but you know who shouldn't go to prison? Our sponsors?

681
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing. I'm saying they shouldn't, Sophie,

682
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: what do you want from me? We're back. So. In

683
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: one conference in the early aughts, after Bradstreet had become

684
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: a DAN affiliated doctor, he referred to parents who didn't

685
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: blame their kid's condition on vaccines or subject them to

686
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: dangerous bio medical experimentations as apids or autism. Parents in denial. Right,

687
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: if you just accept your kid and try to help

688
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: them live their best life, you're in denial. You should

689
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: be poised. Fitzpatrick notes that other experts in the field

690
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: speak in similar ways. Quote Jenny McCarthy is dismissive of

691
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Woe is Me moms, though she is not above moaning

692
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: about how shitty her own life is and reminding her

693
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: readers that celebrities suffer like everyone else. Still, she finds

694
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: it difficult to accept that other parents don't simply believe

695
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: in alternative treatments. Was it she asked herself, that they

696
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to hope or that they enjoyed the victim role?

697
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they're just trying to do what's

698
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: best for their kids. Yeah. When the Chicago Tribune interviewed

699
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: Bradstreet about his use of ivy immunal globulin or IVIG

700
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: as an autism treatment, he told them every kid with

701
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: autism should have a trial of IVIIG if money was

702
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: not an option and if IVIG was abundant. Bradstreet also

703
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: became a vocal advocate for hyperbaric oxygen therapy, although he

704
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: did later publish research arguing it was ineffective, perhaps because

705
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't a big money maker for his clinic. In

706
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, more than five thousand families enmeshed

707
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: in the biomedical movement launched a lawsuit seeking compensation for

708
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: vaccine related harm in the US Court of Federal Claims.

709
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Brad Street was one of their major witnesses. He provided

710
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: expert testimony, which ultimately failed because the special Masters, which

711
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: is the title name to the people who are like

712
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: evaluating this claim, look into brad Street in part to

713
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: determine if there's credible evidence to support the idea that

714
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: vaccines cause autism. They conclude it doesn't. They reject the case,

715
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: and one major reason is the case of Colton Snyder,

716
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: which they examine at length and hold up as like

717
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: this is an example of how the malpractice is coming

718
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: from inside the house. It's guys like Brad Street. Right, yeah. Still.

719
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: By two thousand and nine, Bradstreet had been in practice

720
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: so long that he claimed his institute has records on

721
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: more than four thousand patients. He got a California medical

722
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: license in May of that year and established a branch

723
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: of the ICDRC. Two years later, he got a Georgia

724
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: state medical license and opened to clinic in Buford. Because

725
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: staying competitive in the industry of fake autism treatments required

726
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: constant innovation, Brad Street became an add the kit for

727
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: a new autism cure late in his career. GcMAF. This

728
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: stands for globulin component macrophage activating factor. And this is

729
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: a thing. It's a protein and healthy blood that you

730
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: can remove and concentrate and use it to treat certain

731
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: kinds of illnesses. Some kind of people are sick in

732
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: a way that injecting them with this concentrated factor can

733
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: help them.

734
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: Right.

735
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: It's a real thing for stuff, not for this, but

736
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: for stuff. In August of twenty twelve, he gave a

737
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: presentation in England in which he described injecting forty patients

738
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: with autism with this shit, declaring I shouldn't call it shit. Well,

739
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: but the stuff he is selling is shit. There's a

740
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: legitimate version of this, that's not what he's selling, declaring, quote,

741
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: it's extremely potent in terms of its ability to work

742
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: for children. He announced, many from this experiment have gone

743
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: into basically lose the label of autism. They don't have

744
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: autistic distinctions anymore. After sometimes as littlest twenty weeks of therapy. Yeah,

745
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: this just isn't the way this works.

746
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: It's through the works.

747
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: But Bradstreet tended to show up up in the kind

748
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: of crowds where he wouldn't be questioned. He claimed that

749
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: doctors in Japan and Italy were working on the same therapy,

750
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: and he also cited a guy named David Noakes, the

751
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: head of an Immuno Biotech, which manufactures GcMAF, and he

752
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: in fact, he shouts this guy out and then offers

753
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: attendees to the speech of twenty five percent discount on GCMAL.

754
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Sounds like medicine to me, bro I love it. Gives

755
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: me a fucking cupon for Blood Factory.

756
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's coming from honestly because he's a radio host.

757
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, of course it does come right right absolutely

758
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Pearl Washington Post piece by Michael Miller quote. What he

759
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: did not disclose, however, was that much of the research

760
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: he cited had already been discredited and retracted the journal,

761
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: considering Bradstreet's paper was the scientific equivalent of self publishing,

762
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: and Bradstreet had close ties to Noakes and Immuno Biotech.

763
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: During the same UK trip, Bradstreet and Noakes made what

764
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: was essentially a promotional video for Immuno Biotech and its

765
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: brand of GCMF called First Immune. Quote. I'm here with

766
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: doctor Jeffrey Bradstreet from the USA, the autism expert in

767
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the first Immune GcMAF laboratories. Nookes set on camera. Doctor

768
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Bradstreet has been using our GcMAF for in eighteen months,

769
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: and we'd like to thank you for I think you've

770
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: treated nine hundred children. Now not just children, Bradstreet boasted,

771
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: So the spectrum of my parent patients with autism ranges

772
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: from somewhere around eighteen months to goodness somewhere around close

773
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: to forty. So we've treated many adults with autism, as

774
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: well as chronic fatigue patients, cancer patients, So we found

775
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: application for a fairly broad number of disorders for the

776
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: product The Truth. The two trading compliments for four minutes straight,

777
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: just gasing each other up for four minutes. Again, this

778
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: sounds like medicine. Now. The transcripts for this are just

779
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: impossibly fucking cringey, with Noakes saying We've never met a

780
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: doctor with such an understanding at the microbiological level of

781
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: how autism and cancer and other diseases work. Autism and

782
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: cancer not really related, not alike, not at all alike

783
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: other diseases. Again, not that I'm not saying autism is

784
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: a disease, but like that's the way this guy's talking.

785
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is this isn't medicine. I know

786
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: doctors are never like, yeah, we figure like this thing

787
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: helps with the flu and I don't know.

788
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: Probably lunt cancer fucking and gout, yeah, gout.

789
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: And one of the things, like Brad Street goes back

790
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: to after Noakes gases him up. He's like, this is

791
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: the most sterile lab I've ever seen, the best equipment,

792
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: the best people. This is the perfect like environment for

793
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: doing good medical science. Brad Street then pivoted to make

794
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: the pitch that the greatest thing about GcMAF was that

795
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: you could use it without the presence of a doctor.

796
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: In other words, regular parents could just buy the stuff

797
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: and shoot their children up with it. Quote it's accessible

798
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to anybody around the world through your internets. You've made

799
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: it available very broadly. We've used it in South Africa, China, India,

800
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, South America and all over. That's been a

801
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: wonderful experience to see parents have access to a therapy.

802
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: And like, so there's this this this drug that's a

803
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: cousin of Benzo's that was like Soviet Union xanax that

804
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: they gave to their astronauts that is like unregulated in

805
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: the US. You can order it by the kilogram like that,

806
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, okay, but what if we just did that

807
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: for children's medicine? You know? Oh man, it is so funny.

808
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

809
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't understand, Like how like it's so shameless,

810
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: like going from children to like help people with autism,

811
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: to like everyone with cancer to like.

812
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. And again, the people selling Soviet xanax

813
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: to strangers on the internet fundamentally an honest business. You know,

814
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: by that shouldn't know what they're getting. You know, so

815
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: this that like and you can give it to your kids.

816
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: DIY was the ultimate pitch to the parents in the

817
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: biomedical treatment community and the ultimate evolution of the founding

818
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: principles that parents should be actively engaged not just in

819
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: caring for their child, but in diagnosing and treating them. Meanwhile,

820
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: there was no real evidence that GcMAF benefited children with

821
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: asd as Baylor's skill, a School of Tropical Medicine dean

822
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: Peter Hotez told the Post. And by the way, doctor

823
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Peter Hotez also is the parent of a child with autism.

824
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: An initial safety test of GCMF injections had not even

825
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: been completed. It was still trying to recruit participants. So like,

826
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: the actual doctors are being like, we don't even know

827
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: if this is safe. We haven't been able to get

828
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: enough people to volunteer to prove that this isn't dangerous,

829
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: not even to show that it works, and they're just

830
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: selling this over the fucking internet. Even so, Bradstreet bragged

831
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: about dosing more than two thousand children and claimed eighty

832
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: five percent of them improved and fifteen percent had their

833
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: autism eradicated. The initial hype was massive, but the actual

834
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: comments from parents who use the treatment were standard. Some

835
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: claimed small positive while others claimed hard to rate changes

836
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: like while he's talking more. Many though, recorded disappointment. Quote

837
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: we have recruited twenty shots of GcMAF so far, I

838
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: am still waiting for the wow that everyone talks about.

839
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: One person wrote even worse. They described side effects including

840
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: crying and pains in his chest and stomach. For at

841
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: least the first three we are doing GCMA of injections,

842
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: I have not seen any gains at all. Another person wrote,

843
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: I have seen worse behaviors in tantrums. So after spending

844
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred for no gains and living in hell, I'm

845
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: done with this wow.

846
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: I can't imagine, Like, I can't imagine ordering something online

847
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: and being like, yeah I should, I should send to

848
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: my shot with a needle twenty times.

849
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that child will be a So

850
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know you you quote unquote love your kid,

851
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: but that sounds like child abuse to me. Yeah, I like,

852
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: obviously little kids don't understand. Sometimes you have to if

853
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Speaker 1: they're sick. You have to give the medicine that they

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Speaker 1: don't like that may have negative side effects, because that's

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Speaker 1: just necessary sometimes, right, I get it, But like to

856
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Speaker 1: do that for no reason, none at all.

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Speaker 3: Also, like, like, I'm sure some of this was causing

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Speaker 3: some sort of delirium and the kids were talking as

859
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Speaker 3: a result of that.

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Speaker 1: Kid's not doing nothing because by the way, Mango, we're

861
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Speaker 1: about to talk about where this blood came from. Oh God,

862
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: because I know, I know, I know. The first thing

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Speaker 1: I thought was like, Wow, Christ, this is fucked up.

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Speaker 1: This is not fucked up because they're like shooting kids

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Speaker 1: full of blood that doesn't do anything, or maybe it

866
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: hurts them. But also, like blood is rare, there's not

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Speaker 1: enough of any of these blood factors. People need this,

868
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: and you're not getting this stuff to people who need it.

869
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Speaker 1: The good news is that's not an issue here.

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid, so so nervous.

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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of these episodes talking about what

872
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: a bad idea it is to make parents with that

873
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: medical training part of the diagnostic and treatment process in

874
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: this way. But the brad Street story does have a

875
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: positive ending due to a mom of two sons with

876
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Speaker 1: autism named Fiona O'Leary. She came upon his scam and

877
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Speaker 1: she gets angry. Right, she is not one of these

878
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: moms who buys him the bullshit. She's like, oh, this

879
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: is fucking dangerous. Fuck this guy. She looks into his

880
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: business and the web of shady, undisclosed financial interests he

881
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: had with Immuno Biotech. She files complaints with regulators. I

882
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: think this is over in the UK. I believe she lives.

883
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's in the UK proper Northern Ireland,

884
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: given the named Fiona O'Leary, but she fought. This leads

885
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to the UK's equivalent of the FDA does an investigation

886
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: that culminates in a raid on a First Immune g

887
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: CMF production facility near Cambridge. This is the lab where

888
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: he filmed that video where Bradstreet films the video with noakes,

889
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: where they casting each other up.

890
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: I heard was pristine you.

891
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: So while Brad praise the Labis sterility, UK regulators described

892
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: it as making g c MF out of quote Blad

893
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: blood plasma labeled not to be administered to humans or

894
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: used in any drug products. They're getting this out of

895
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: the shit, But does that make it better? Because at

896
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Speaker 1: least regular like people who need blood aren't losing it.

897
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what

898
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: we say here?

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00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so sad.

900
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Speaker 1: Eventually she succeeds. It's so fucked up right, Oh my god,

901
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: where was this blood coming from? She succeeds eventually in

902
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: getting US regulars to look into Brad Street, which brought

903
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: the Feds to his door in Buford on June eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Had he been indicted properly, Bradstreet might have

905
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: faced twenty years in prison according to the suspected charges

906
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: of the search warrant. Rather than endure that, Bradstreet fled

907
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: town the next day, driving to North Carolina. As he

908
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: checked into his hotel. Swiss papers reported a story from

909
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Switzerland that he Firststmune clinic in that country, run by Noakes,

910
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: had been shut down after five patients being treated with

911
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: GcMAF had died. Some had paid almost as much as

912
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: six thousand euros a week for treatment. And to be clear,

913
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: we don't know that the GcMAF killed those people. These

914
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: were terminal patients, right, But this was billed as helping

915
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: terminal conditions and it didn't, right. So there's a big

916
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: raid on his partner, Noakes, that and the raid on

917
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: his own facility in Buford probably contributed to Jeffrey's decision

918
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: to take his own life on June nineteenth. His body

919
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: was found by a fisherman that afternoon, floating like a river,

920
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: and the gun he used was found nearby in the water.

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00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: This immediately became a conspiracy for biomedical advocates, including the

922
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: CEO of him you Know Biotech, who insisted that Jeffrey

923
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: was murdered by pharmaceutical companies for stating that the MCAR

924
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: vaccine causes autism and hurting their profits with his GCMFA therapy.

925
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: And unfortunately what happens here is kind of the best

926
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: case scenario in this world. One major agent of harm

927
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: faces a teeny bit of justice and then makes a

928
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: choice to take himself out of the the picture. Right

929
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Speaker 1: to this day, though, Bradstreet remains a focus of vaccine conspiracists.

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00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: And I found this in a Reddit post on the

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00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: our Conspiracy Commons board from twenty twenty two, and it's

932
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: like a picture of this guy in a suit. This

933
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Bradstreet. He found the cure for autism using

934
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: oxygen chamber therapy, chillation, and protein shots for tea cells.

935
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: After having cured thousands, he was shot in the back

936
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Speaker 1: twice at his mansion, and the FBI raided and destroyed

937
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: his cure center the day after. Now, none of that's accurate.

938
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Speaker 1: They raided his center the day before. He's not at

939
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: his mansion. He tries to check into a hotel and

940
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: can't check in, and then he goes to the river,

941
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: Like this is just all wrong.

942
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: But it's also like such a hydra right, Like it

943
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: feels like you cut off the head and like all

944
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 3: these others emerge. It's awful.

945
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Speaker 2: Yep.

946
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's our story for the week. Great stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's super uplifting.

948
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Speaker 1: Betrails everybody. They you know, you got any plugs to plug?

949
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I did a show called Skyline Drive, which

950
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: is about a skeptical look at astrology.

951
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's really good and.

952
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: I would love for people to check it out if

953
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: they had the time. But uh, honestly, Robert Sophie, this

954
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: is just so fun. I know, I was like just

955
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: shocked and saying, oh my god, more than I probably

956
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: should have. But it was both horrifying and and I

957
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 3: don't know, really enlightening.

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Speaker 1: Yep, well, glad to be horrifying and enlightening, horror enlightening.

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00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: And now I see that Snickers bars.

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00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: X that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

962
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: Now again, this is the the solution to all of

963
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: our problems is the seven dollars snickers bar of xanax right. Look,

964
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: yeah again, vote vote Evans Snickers b x X in

965
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: every pocket. And honestly, none of us is gonna know

966
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: what happens next, but that's of the benefit rights. And look,

967
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: are some people gonna die? Absolutely, And we're going to

968
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: knock down the Washington Monument and replace it with a

969
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: monument that's just a four bar four bar in the

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00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: sky problem solved.

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