1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: What younger players in the league reached out to you 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: that it caught you off guard. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Kyrie. 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 3: If there was ever footage of me and him going 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 3: at it, Oh my god, it was crazy. 6 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: Who won? 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 5: I knew a pig, big big, compell me to win. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 5: I knew we're. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 4: Pig, big big sing it Agig. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 5: I do a big, big big come pull me to win. 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 4: I knew a big, big, big sing it again. 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 5: I knew a pig. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: I knew a big, big, big sing it again. 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 5: I knew a big What is up? 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: What is good? How you living, how you're feeling, how 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: you're doing it? 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Is the big podcast with Shack, where we always do it. Hey, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: we finally got it, and today I am proud to 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: introduce from Seattle, Washington, a man that played for two 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: decades on nine teams with three six Men of the 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Year trophies. No one has more four point plays in 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: NBA history. No one has a bag of moves like him. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 5: Checks that time out. Oh, you played longer than me, 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 5: your Shack, You. 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Don't know our teammate from TNT. Would you ever think 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: Hold on you play? You played longer than me I did, 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: and you got you got. 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: More rings and points and everything else though, more money everything. 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: He was always on my list of dudes you don't 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: touch upon. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 5: You told me that Shack, it's. 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: A vaunted list you. It's Alan Iverson, It's Vince Carter 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: and white Chocolate and white chocolate people he liked to watch. 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: When I first saw Shack. Of course, everybody knows about 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 3: shock when you see him in person. And he was last. 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 5: This is like the vaunted Lakers and he's last. 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about like coming out to. 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: Start out team, to start the game and they start 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 3: playing the undertaking music. 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 5: Dom dom, don't walk own ship? 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: How old were you? 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: Nineteen? And I can't stop looking at him. I keep 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: looking like this is but that's not the first time 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: I mention, what was the first time we met you? 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: And a couple of guys are standing outside and I'm like, y'all. 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: Couldn't get in, that's true, that's the fact. And they 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 4: couldn't get in, and I walked up and I was like, 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 4: let him in. That shot was like when I say 51 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: let him in, they let him in. That's a fact. 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: That's a long story. I know who he was, I 53 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: know he was. I'm I'm I'm a fan. Like I 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: had a couple of so called defense players on my team, 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: but they always relied on me, like you know, they 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: you know, they would they would do the fake pressure 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: and then try to bring them so I could block 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: the shot. But I'm like, no, no, no, no, three guys, and 59 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 4: when they come into town, I'm not helping at all. Yeah, 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 4: Vince Carter t Michaels on that list when AI, Oh 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: they but they used to be you gotta you know 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, no guard them. You're talking all 63 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: this ship in the locker room, but you can guard them, garden. 64 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: So I just used to And then, like you know, 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: sometimes in the game, I wonder this is the point 66 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: shaped not like we make eye contact and like go 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: just be like hey, Jamal, yes all the time I 68 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: just go like, hey, man, go. 69 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 5: To work, and I gotta free I gotta free passion. 70 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah you noticed that. Yeah, absolutely, I told you I 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: couldn't stop looking at him. 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: So is this now you have me like a whole 73 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: nother thing. Like so are there times where like there's 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: a battle that's happening on the court and everyone's like, 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: let's just get the hell out of the way. 76 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: And let these dudes the game within the game. M 77 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: those happen all the time. You don't hear about it, No, 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: you know it's it's like unspoken you know what I'm saying. 79 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: How how could I figure it out? Like if I'm 80 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: watching a game, like what are the things to look 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: forward to see? If that's starting to bloom? 82 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: You'll never be able to figure out. You just know 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: you got two intense players going at each other. 84 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: Now, like like Wemby and Chet, like that felt different. 85 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 5: That's a game within the gay. 86 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: Okay, but when when you promote that, that's what that's 87 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: what I want to see as a fan, Like if 88 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: it's Winby versus Chet, don't send no double Chet, you 89 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: guard Wenby, you guard him. So you know they'd be like, oh, 90 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 4: show on the screen you got trapped. No, I ain't 91 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: doing none of that. Ship get over you got him? 92 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: You got him? Man, I cannot to say it again. 93 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 5: You can't got him. 94 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: And especially in our era, to his point, used to 95 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: have to guard your matchup. There was no running, there 96 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: wasn't no hiding, there wasn't no okay, I for a 97 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: pick comsy switching like he said, you're gonna get over 98 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: you're gonna get through that period there's no offense. 99 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 5: But so you had to take that matchup. 100 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: I'll ask this one first. Was there anyone because your 101 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: bag is ridiculous. Was there anybody that you're like, oh, 102 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: that's actually kind of a tough cover. 103 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 5: Oh shit, no, no, no, no, no guarding you. 104 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: I'll guard me Tony Allen because he didn't give he 105 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 3: didn't give a shit about scoring him scoring was getting 106 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: a stop. 107 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 5: So he took pride in that. 108 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: That was he was never expending any energy or none 109 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: of offense. 110 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: It was all defense. And the thing about is every 111 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: defender has a weakness. You just got to figure it out. 112 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: And it took me time and time. Like, Okay, as 113 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: good as he is on the ball, he starts ball 114 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: watching if you get the ball up. So I would 115 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: pass and just stand, stand, move and he would still 116 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: be looking at the ball. 117 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 5: I'll be over there. So I figured that out about him. 118 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: Now that's how I started getting more points because he 119 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: was so good like when he was actually guarding me. 120 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 5: Just you would be under ps. 121 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: What up, y'all? 122 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Whether I'm doing the big podcast, hanging with the family, 123 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: or covering the big game on TNT, you can't be 124 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: at your best if you're not wearing clothing that feels great. 125 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: American Giant, they make clothing that fits into your life, 126 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: an impressive selection. 127 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: To choose from. 128 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: When I'm at home, it's the crew T shirt. 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I've seen the Pistol Pete tapes where 138 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: he used to his dad used to drive and he'd 139 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 4: be dribbling about the car like he's doing all these drills. 140 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: So asked White Chocolate what he used to do. He 141 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: used to put weights on his on his hands and dribble. 142 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 4: Were there any special techniques that you use, because, like, 143 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: like you said, you have a bag, so give me, 144 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: give me some techniques for the kids. That's watching stuff 145 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: that you used to do. So you and Louisiana. 146 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: I'm in Seattle and it rains a lot in the rain, 147 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: I'm outside. You know how they'd be like, oh, man, 148 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: if you don't work on your game, there's somebody out 149 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: there in the country outside right now. 150 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: It was me and in Seattle. That's why I dribble silk. 151 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: I've never done a cone drill my life, but the rain, 152 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: the snow, I'm learning how to dribble in the rain 153 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: the snow. So I'm like, if I can control the 154 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: ball in this in these conditions, it's easy when I 155 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: get in the court. So that was the best training 156 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: math that I ever had, was dribble in the rain, 157 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: because the ball gets slippery, it gets slicked, and he's 158 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: still trying the same moves and shit, and you don't 159 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: have total control of it, but you learned how to 160 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 3: control different things. 161 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: Flow pace well, Seattle, I've ever heard of this entire life. 162 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 5: I was in the rain, I was, I was. 163 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: I see the way that you parent JJ and I 164 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: see the way that like you teach, and I'm curious 165 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: who taught you, because it sometimes it sounds like you're 166 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: self taught, like you're out there on the court. But 167 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: then I also know that you probably had like amazing 168 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: teachers that like instilled like how much was just you 169 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: and how much was somebody else? 170 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: It was both, But I was like even now, like 171 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: I've always paid hommachel OG's. But what I learned about 172 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: myself is I love being around older people. I love knowledge, 173 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: I love wisdom. I love to learn, you know what 174 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I used to always be the dude 175 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: that would go skip class sometimes to go in the 176 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: barbershop and just listen to old guy's talk. 177 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 5: And I got some knowledge from them. So my whole. 178 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: Community, if you ask anybody about me when I was 179 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: a kid, they're like, oh, he has some candy in 180 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: one hand and a ball and another That was me. 181 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: Like I to a tea, I always had a basketball 182 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: with me. I used to sleep with my basketball. Literally, 183 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: I'm sleeping here. The balls right here. Every car on 184 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: right now got a ball in it. So I just 185 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: always it became one with me, Like you know what 186 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I just when you walking out thinking 187 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: left foot, rightfle you just walking when I'm dribbling, I'm 188 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: never thinking about it, breathing. It's breathing, I can lose 189 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: the ball and it put me into another move. 190 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: So not thinking about it when I did my two 191 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: cross Officer, I thought about it before I did it. Yeah, 192 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: your moves like the moves that you did, like the 193 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: one you just posted. Did you actually think about that 194 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: but you did? Did you say, Okay, I'm coming down, 195 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna give it to him this way 196 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: and then throw behind the back. 197 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: You just do and you can respect this because you 198 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: know how you wrap. I just freestyle. 199 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 5: Seriously. 200 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was a box, I'll be counter punching 201 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: you three times. 202 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: Okay, sow do you know what to bring your handle? 203 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: Like like that movie you did, I would have to say, Okay, 204 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go this way, throw it behind the back, 205 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: and if he come, I'm gonna do it again and 206 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 4: then shoot the jonker. 207 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: I would have to I set it up. You've never 208 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 5: seen me do it? Yeah, I've never seen do it. 209 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying like you never seen me do 210 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking this on the on the fly to 211 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: move on, Kirk Hinrich, I'm literally coming down the court. 212 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: Is that you around the back one? This one I 213 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: went over his head went over his head. 214 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm thinking, like Dann we played I'm thinking 215 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 3: this when I got the ball. 216 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 5: Okay, we played together. He knows behind the back, what 217 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 5: am I gonna do? 218 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 4: It? 219 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 5: Boom and it just happens. That's why you never see 220 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 5: it again. 221 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: I've never practiced that shit, but I just feel like 222 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: with a ball, I could do anything because I, like 223 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: you said, I've kind of mastered that's my flow. I've 224 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: mastered my flow of randomness in being you know, instinctual. 225 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: All right, so we are best buddies the general. 226 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: Don't be love the general. 227 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 5: Yes we do. 228 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: We love the general. 229 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 5: Uh. 230 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: We need to break up a roster, okay, And so 231 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: which player from that team could benefit the most from 232 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: a clean break and joining another squad? And I've been 233 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: given two teams, all right, let's do it, the Golden 234 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: State Warriors and the LA Lakers. 235 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Okay? Is it? 236 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: Who needs to be set free? So we're gonna break 237 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: up the current roster. Who which team could benefit the 238 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: most from breaking up the roster? The Lakers the Warrior? 239 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 4: Oh well, I'm gonna choose Lakers because Golden State have 240 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: been there and done that, and I don't want to 241 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: say they're over, but Lebron is trying to add some 242 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: more to his legacy, so I'm gonna help him out. 243 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: Got to get rid of Reeves. Give me another guy 244 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 4: that can do that. But a guy is a little 245 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: more consistent. I'm not saying Read is inconsistent, but when 246 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: you're playing and win for a championship, you can have 247 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 4: no inconsistency. I can remember maybe one or two games 248 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 4: that my big Shot Vibe or my Brian Shaws off, 249 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: but when I needed him, they were already there. So 250 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: I'm getting rid of him. I like the young cat 251 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 4: who dunked on Wimby the tall Cat. He's cool. Get 252 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: from Golden State. Jase Jackson, GA like Trey Jackson, but 253 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: he's a rookie. I'm gonna use Reeves because Reeds is 254 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: a talent. I'm gonna get me one more veteran, and 255 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 4: I gotta get three or four shooters. I got to 256 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: get three or four bona fide knockdown shooters, and I gotta. 257 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: Get buy those two rosters if you'd have a really 258 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: nast team. 259 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 4: And I got to get a Jamal Croft for the 260 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: guy that can come off the bench and just give 261 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: me buckets. Cast yes, yes, no cares a verse two 262 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: up and down, like you got what I'm saying. When 263 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: you win the championships, there is no up and down 264 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: like when I'm eighteen a game, when I'm in the playoffs. 265 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: Forget my free throw percentage. I got the average forty, 266 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 4: not thirty five, not thirty two. I got the average forty. 267 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: If I don't averge forty, we don't win. And in 268 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 4: one game I didn't average forty in Indiana, I had 269 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: like twenty nine. Kobe looked at me and said, I 270 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: got it. That's when you fouled out. Yeah, And he 271 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: looked at me. 272 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 5: Is like, I got it. 273 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: If you're breaking up, breaking up Lakers and warriorsks. 274 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 5: I'm with sh I. 275 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: They don't have enough to even compete right now. And 276 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: my thing is, if Lebron is still your best player 277 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: at this point, I'm looking at trading Anthony Davis. Wow, 278 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 3: I'm just telling you can get four or five pieces 279 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 3: to go with him that fit Lebron. If Lebron is 280 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: still gonna be the best player, I can't trade ay Day. 281 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: But really, if I can get a Kyrie Irvin type, 282 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: they need another wing, a dominant wing score. If they 283 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: can get like a Kyrie Irvin type who can just 284 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: take over his quarters and be that Kobe to Shack 285 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 3: when stuff's in trouble, I gotta take it over. 286 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: That's what Lebron needs real quick. Does a D thing. 287 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: So you're saying you'd move them for pieces, you're saying 288 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: absolutely not. 289 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: No, because you need you definitely need a one two 290 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: punch like historically one two or one two three as well. 291 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: So I know, I know if you like, when I 292 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 4: challenge a D, he don't call me, don't say nothing. 293 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: He steps up to the It's not as talent. It's 294 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: just the fact that roster constructs roster construction. So him 295 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: and Lebrown is I want two punch now, I need 296 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: two shooters. I need a rebounder. Yeah that's true in 297 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 4: season Tom boun no but no, but okay, so even 298 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: let's go to n ceason time. I was there, the 299 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: others played, they were great. Austin Reid had Cam Reddish 300 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: was bawling. Yeah, the flu game. We had the Michael 301 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 4: Jordan Flu game. You had thirty something points. So but 302 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: you have to do that all the time. Consistency, who 303 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: you who are you breaking up? 304 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: Of those two teams? 305 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: The same to you asked us about Yeah, those twos. 306 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: So what I'm looking at is who is the star 307 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: player that needs new pieces for the Warriors. We know 308 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: that it's deph for the Lakers. It is the question, 309 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: are you building around Lebron or are you building around 310 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: a d I know we have a lot of Lebron 311 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: sexuals in the media. There was a fight recently between. 312 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 5: About who loves them more and who loves them more? 313 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 5: But like, that's what that means? Like, but I saw 314 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: the word, I was like, what does that even mean? 315 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 5: Got it? 316 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: You just thought those people that maybe had sex with Lebron? 317 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: I don't know what I thought. What was your thoughts 318 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 5: on that though? Shot? What when you saw that? 319 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 4: You're talking about what Shannon and Kendrick Norman who loved 320 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 4: him longer in the train and Shannon loves him from Lebron? 321 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 4: Lebron could do no wrong with Shannon. That's fine, that's 322 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: understand them. I mean, listen, you we all we all 323 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: got our guys. Doctor j is my guy. Yeah, run guy, 324 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: who's your guy? Michael Jordan? But my thing would be, 325 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 4: I know that like what you said there I thought 326 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 4: was very poignant. If Lebron's still your number one. That's 327 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: really your problem. And people start arguing about how good 328 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: Lebron is. 329 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: But if you look back at the playoffs last year, 330 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: if you look back at the playoff, Lebron will win 331 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: you game one and he's not going to be a 332 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: big part of game too. 333 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 5: But that's okay. He's going to need the others to 334 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 5: step up. 335 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: Totally get it. I think it's though, But he's thirty nine. 336 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: I don't care. 337 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: He's still give him twenty points totally. Let's talk analytics. 338 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: You do twenty a D thirty, that's fifty. 339 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 5: There we go that he trusts Ad to do thirty 340 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: all the time. 341 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: That so what I'm saying he has to. I've seen 342 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: him do it when he was with the Pelicans that 343 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: he went I know. But still, so you got to 344 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: do it? 345 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I want Lebron to enter as 346 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: Andre you goadala Era, you're talking. 347 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: About you talking about Stephanie other pieces. No, Clay needs 348 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: to step up. Clay needs to be Clay. The episode 349 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: of Big Podcast with Shack is brought to you by 350 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: the General, and you know, Shaq loves the General before 351 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 4: the league and all my championship rings. The General was 352 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: there for me when I needed them the most. They 353 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: gave me my big break. On insurance, the General has 354 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: been offering quality coverage for sixty years with low rates 355 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 4: and flexible options to keep you covered. If you're ready 356 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,479 Speaker 4: for your big break, you know what to do. Visitorgeneral 357 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: dot com today to get a quote. That's the General 358 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: dot com to get a quote today. And it wouldn't 359 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: be the Big podcast without the General. 360 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Old heads always talk about the younger generations not being 361 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: tough or maybe not wanting it as much. You're talking 362 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: about like being on the court in the rain in Seattle. Yeah, 363 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: you recently had a post that went very viral talking 364 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: about true AAU basketball parents are overbearing. You got you 365 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: gotta teach these kids toughness and all that stuff. Will 366 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: we ever get the kid on in the in the 367 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: rain in Seattle training by himself or has it gotten 368 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: to a point now where everything is content and everything 369 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: is team play. 370 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: I think we'll get there, but it's gonna be OG's 371 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: that set that foundation for them to get there. Like 372 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: even JJ you brought him up, he's very blessed. Like 373 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: we have a court at the house. When I was 374 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: looking at my court. I'm looking at shacks shack, how 375 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: you do it? 376 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 5: What did you do? Like I'm watching everything right. 377 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: So he's comfortable in that situation, but I got to 378 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: make it uncomfortable for him in other situations. 379 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 5: So he understands that this isn't it ain't sweet. You 380 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 5: got to do it. And so for me, I'm probably 381 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: hard on him. And you have a cheat Coode like 382 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 5: I did it. 383 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see. I can give you a blueprint 384 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: how to do it. And sometimes I know I'm just dad, 385 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: but I have a blueprint to how you can do it. 386 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: So you have a cheat Coote. Same with Shaq that 387 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: message you're talking about me and Shaq talked about that. 388 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: He's like, man, I was coaching my son and Bobo 389 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: and his parents is I'm like, damn, this is a 390 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,359 Speaker 3: this is really epidemic. 391 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 5: This has been going on forever. This is Shaq. 392 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: And the problem is is they see this through their children. Yes, 393 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: and you have to let living through them. You have 394 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: to let like inspect. 395 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: They're looking at their children as they're going to give 396 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: them the lifestyle they've always. 397 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 5: Wonted exactly, And so happens when the child goes viral. 398 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 5: That's the first. Yeah. 399 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: Second, these rankings, like I had a guy who told 400 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: me that my my son is the number one fifth 401 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: grade and I'm like, like, bro, okay, and he should be. 402 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 4: I said, no, you should fucking let him be a kid. 403 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: What do you mean, I said, bro? Sixth grade seventh Like, bro, 404 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: see how it pans out. What you should do is 405 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: always encourage them, don't you know? The camps and it 406 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: so again these parents, these rankings, the'se going virals, and 407 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 4: then these these AAU coaches that got deals with these 408 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: big programs and you know they're you know, they're problemsing 409 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 4: and stuff. And then the killer the n I L Yeah, 410 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: that's a whole difference, whole it's just it's just killing 411 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: the game. I I spoke at L s U the 412 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 4: other day and I said, what do you think about 413 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: inn Al said, well, I can see both sides. For me, 414 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: college was a place high learning. Nobody in my family 415 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 4: had ever graduated. My parents that you're going to graduate, 416 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: and I'm thinking about it, so I wasn't even thinking 417 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: about money. And then you know, I had this conversation 418 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 4: with Sharif. He said, hey, man, they want to offer 419 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: me a shoe deal. It's like, son, your father owns 420 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 4: two very wealthy shoe companies. Like you're gonna you want 421 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: to come do this, you want to come like it, 422 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 4: do what you like, but you know, no know who 423 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: you are. No, you want to you want to get 424 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: the less money now like me and if I was 425 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 4: in college. If we're going to do a deal, we're 426 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: gonna do a deal. Okay, rebuck, you want to sign me. 427 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: I want fifty for ten right now. Don't give me 428 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: no one hundred thousand. Fuck that hundred dollars. Because my 429 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 4: dad told me something one time. They kind of fucked 430 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: me up my sophomore year. Is said, we fucking going 431 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 4: pro He said nope, And I said wow. He said, 432 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: bro we've been broke for seventeen years. We can be 433 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: broke ege years. Three hundred days and then now and 434 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: so now and those three hundred eight. Because when I 435 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: came up my sophomore year, my mother, after me and 436 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 4: my father argument, my mom said, come on because me 437 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 4: and he was about to go to blows the first 438 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 4: time and look he like, he's like, you're fucking you 439 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 4: stand up to me. I like that shit, but you're 440 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 4: not going pro like, mother fuck, I'm going pro fuck that. 441 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: My mom was like, come on, because y'all be cause 442 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: y'all gonna start fighting. And my mom said, balance a 443 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 4: check book, and I couldn't. I couldn't balance a fucking 444 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: check was right there, yeah, she said, baby, she said, listen, 445 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 4: you can do what you want to do, but you're 446 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: not ready. So now, my junior year, when my dad 447 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: said we've been broke eighteen, I was like, okay, and 448 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 4: these next day, in the days, I'm gonna learn a 449 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: little bit about business. So I fucking took accounting. I 450 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 4: took all my market I took all that shit. So 451 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 4: my junior year, when I came well, she said, balance 452 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: that check book. My ship was pretty than the motherfucker 453 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: my mother plus yeah and fifteen percent, oh my ship. 454 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: She's like, okay, you're ready. 455 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: So well, so now you're bringing up something else, which 456 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: is parenting a child after you've achieved a dream and 457 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: then they have a dream that sounds really fucking hard, 458 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: like how has it been for you? 459 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: Guys? You just have to be real. 460 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: Like I told my boys, I said, hey, it's only 461 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: two people that accomplish what you're trying to accomplish. It's 462 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: more now, but I would say three now. Grant Hill 463 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 4: grew up like you grew up, Kobe grew up like 464 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: you grew up, and Steph Curry grew up like you 465 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 4: grew up. The difference between them and us and Pat mahomes, 466 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: but the difference between us and them is the motherfucker's overwork. 467 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: They overwork. So with that, with that name on the back, 468 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: you're gonna have to overwork. But good thing about me, 469 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: I never want any of my kids play basketball. I 470 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 4: don't if you want to play cool if you don't 471 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: find me, I want them to be like I got 472 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: got seven children. I wouldn't mind a fucking vetinarian doctor, 473 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: music exect, you know. Make up line like I want 474 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: to and I don't want to be able to. So 475 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: that's why I put it out to the world. Before 476 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: you get some of this cheese, you need two degrees. 477 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 4: And like I tell them now, because they're starting to 478 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: get old, say you want to get a business and 479 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: you want me to fund it, write it down? What 480 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: do you mean they broke business fucking plan? 481 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the version of your mom's saying balance. 482 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: To yes, business plan. But so I have look man, 483 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 4: I got seven. I don't like business word. I ain't 484 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 4: never had no problems with none of my baby. So 485 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: I'm blessed. 486 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: And for me it's dope because he's obsessed with it, 487 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: like he really wants this on his own. Well, I 488 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: have a video. He's never been seen this. It's gonna 489 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: be the first time he hears it. I have a 490 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: video of him. My wife put like a court in 491 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: his room, like a little court and that big. No, 492 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: it ain't nothing. It's a little old doctor j court. 493 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: It's a low court. Right, it's a little what's your 494 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: man court? 495 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: What? Yeah? 496 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: But he's okay, it's like six it's like the size 497 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: of this tape probably. But she made it a play 498 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: school hoop. Yes, and she made a school court for 499 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: the floor. You got a sport court and stopped that. 500 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: He's on there, he broke the rim. I have video 501 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: on the show it to you. He he's on there 502 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: playing basketball with no hoop. He owns some nuts. 503 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: So shit, I'm like, all right, this is why we 504 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: build in the gym, right, because then COVID hits and 505 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: everything else. But he's obsessed with it. Twelve o'clock at night, 506 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: New Year's he's in the gym. He's obsessed with being 507 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: good and being great, and that's what stuffe about it. 508 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: I see him at the top of lists. How do 509 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: you not let that ego creep it? 510 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: We told I told him before, I said, don't care 511 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: if you're ranked one or one thousand. Tunnel vision, We're 512 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: not worried AboutUs. Let's kids. Shit, We're not worried about that. 513 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: You're gonna have haters, you gonta people that love you, 514 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: and you're gonna have everything in between. We're on a mission. 515 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: And if you're on this mission, then let's go. But 516 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: you got to have tunnel vision. And so for him, 517 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: he's locked in until his credit. He doesn't get caught. 518 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 5: Up in that. 519 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: And I'm thinking for that. I had a serious proud 520 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 4: moment the other day. My son made the Dean's lists 521 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 4: at Texas. Other congrats, Yeah, yeah, here my twin like that, 522 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: Like as a dad, I felt something like you was 523 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 4: more proud of that than anybody, because you know me, 524 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: I'm thinking, fuck, I could put him with this company 525 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 4: like you I'm already coo, that's what like? Yeah, like 526 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 4: he could run the rebound, he can run. Yeah, Like 527 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: I'm already thinking like it was a great moment. 528 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: That is awesome. What did you think of Jamal when 529 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: he first joined us on Tuesday nights as a TV person? 530 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: I knew he was good. 531 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 4: That's why certain people had to go upstairs and say 532 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 4: make sure he's here or I'm not gonna be here. 533 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like every time we would do the show with Jamal, 534 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: when he would fill in if like Candice was out 535 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, we'd always be like, man, that was fucking fun. 536 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 5: Because you got to understand, because you got to understand, 537 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 5: Like it's a lot of. 538 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: I talked a lot of shit behind your back, but yeah, 539 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: of course, Jack, of course. 540 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: It's a lot of people talking now on podcasts and 541 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: all this. But if I'm listening, I want somebody that's 542 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 4: been there and done that. I've seen him in the trenches. 543 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 5: I know he is. 544 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 4: So as a fan. If you know basketball, you know it. 545 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 4: So I think that's what makes our show work because 546 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, even though we're seeing me do all that stuff. 547 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: G fourteen classification, Yeah, I'm on the top fucking floor. 548 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 4: Yeah he's in the building. You know what I'm saying, 549 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: Like he from. 550 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: He's on the top. In terms of like if we're 551 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: talking guard handles and stuff like that. 552 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: Like overall, he's the top of the top. I'm in 553 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: the building that he's in the building. So he's in 554 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 5: a building, kingdict. 555 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: So I'm on the Walmart greeter outside, Welcome to shacks building, 556 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: would you like Jamal? 557 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: No? 558 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 4: But no, but you you and Ernie and Matt. You 559 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: guys have administrative access because I got it. Because if 560 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 4: you he's putting it together, that's business, you know what. 561 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: Because when it comes to communications and you don't have 562 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: this thing was always been. In order to be this 563 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: you have to have a communicators degree. You guys did that. Yes, 564 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 4: so you're in the building. 565 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 5: You don't. You don't get the weapons that we get. 566 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: But you're you have a hall in the We have 567 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: a wing in the Hall of Fame. 568 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: Yes you do. 569 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: How has it been doing TV now that you've been 570 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: doing it for life? 571 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 5: I think I've asked you this in a while. 572 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: A still mad at me because he pranked him. 573 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: I didn't prank him. I said a million money I 574 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: gave you, bro, I said a million dollars. I've heard 575 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: of Starbucks. Nah, I want all about the Benjamins. I 576 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: want some real Benjamin Well you investment O'Neil. 577 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 5: You didn't. You didn't read the fine print. I just 578 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 5: said you were there. 579 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: I didn't hear the fine print. No, but I said 580 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: I bet you a million dollars. Yeah, but I said 581 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: a thousand. Then you went ten thousand, and you went 582 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: big boy million. Then you give me the shack Bucks. Yeah, 583 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: but that was a million in big Chicken. Yeah, you're right, 584 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: big Chicken, Big Chicken. Oh that's the idea, Big Chicken. No, no, 585 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 3: shack Bucks, thank you. 586 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 587 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'll get some money off of that, like 588 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: a reward. 589 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: American. So you ordered a shack Buck and. 590 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: Then I love it though, and then you like, I 591 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: love it, and you think of the world of TV 592 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: and basketball and the people that talk about it. 593 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 3: And I was about to ask Shack that, like, how 594 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: do we not get more people with like the G 595 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: fourteen classification? But how do we clean some of this 596 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 3: ship up? Because some of it's crazy. 597 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: I think I don't want to say this. I think 598 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 4: they get mad at us because you got the wrong 599 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 4: People talk like if you're not great, I don't want 600 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 4: you speaking on my greatness. That's real period. So you 601 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: know there's a lot of guys on TV. Just just 602 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 4: you know, like if you were a mediocre player, you 603 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 4: can't talk like a great player is a bad game. 604 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 4: Just say he has a bad game. Don't start talking 605 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 4: about he's done this and that, like because now it's unauthentic. 606 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 4: Like me, I have G fourteen classifications said, unless he's 607 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: averaging twenty eight to fifteen, I don't see him as 608 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 4: a dominant big man. I can say that. Now if 609 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 4: I'm averaging six points, I can't say that. So that's 610 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 4: the problem with fans they have with some of these guys. 611 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: Again our show, I think you know that we're allowed 612 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: to say some of you know the stuff we said, 613 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 4: but other shows, and I think that's why people hate 614 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: us commentators every now and then. But like when I 615 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 4: and I've exposed my secrets, if I talk about you, 616 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 4: I like you. The reason why I'm talking about you 617 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 4: because I get in player mode. I got to see 618 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: what type of play you are. Like I already know 619 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: I could come at him, and I already know what 620 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 4: he gonna do. Some guys, you come at him away, 621 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 4: they shine away and you gotta leave alone. Like all 622 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 4: these people that I've tried to help is big man, 623 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: just try to help him like, and then if you 624 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: can't take that criticism and turn into motivation, you don't 625 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: deserve to be in the building. Like all I said 626 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: about young fellow was he need to average twenty eight 627 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 4: and fifteen, and I don't know how to get to 628 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: he don't like me. I'm like, that has nothing to 629 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 4: do with like I'm telling you how to get to 630 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 4: Superman status, like this is all you gotta do every time. 631 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: But I just so I kind of had to leave 632 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: him alone, you know, kind of have to, you know, 633 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 4: stay off him. 634 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 5: But did he ever reach out to you? 635 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: No? I don't bro you know, I mean, I mean 636 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 4: if I don't need conversations like, I don't know, but 637 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: for him shock. 638 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: So I'm saying, like, if I'm trying to be one 639 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: of the best cars and AI is willing to help 640 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: me if I reach out to him Michael Jordan or whoever? 641 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 5: Did he ever reach out to you? De wif's never 642 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 5: reach out? 643 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: No, But if I put the information out, you don't 644 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 4: need to reach out likes good excuse me, miss camer 645 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 4: lady to take the picture here. We don't need to 646 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 4: have a conversation because I put it out in the world, 647 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: right you know, and you know, she could probably say, motherfucker, 648 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 4: don't tell me how to take pictures. I've been doing 649 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: that and she could probably do all that. But we 650 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: don't need to have that conversation because it's not a 651 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 4: conversation thing. I'm like, I'm giving you free information and 652 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: then sorry. And then when I did my special, I 653 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 4: talked about it. I thought it was the rights to 654 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 4: passage thing because Kareem and Will did the same shit 655 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 4: to me. I'm in a restaurant one time. True story. 656 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: I'm here, Will's right there. That motherfucker even speak to me. 657 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 5: Right this close. No, I was just at a restaurant. 658 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 5: He was in there. 659 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 4: Guy said, hey, man, well mister, you know Chamberlain is there. 660 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: So I walked in front of the table. Motherfucker looked 661 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: at me like this, and I'm sitting this like this. 662 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: He's saying that he never looked and I love it. 663 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 5: Look. 664 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: So instead of going oh, Wildington, I said, Okay, I'm 665 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: gonna make this motherfucker remember my name. And a couple 666 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 4: of years later, I'm doing my thing in LA and 667 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 4: we're getting swept. Because my mom always told me, if 668 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 4: you can find truth and criticism, don't be like the 669 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: little bitch she told me that one. 670 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 5: Yes. 671 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: Still yeah, So I'm I'm putting up numbers and they say, 672 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: oh god, mister Kareem Shack, is you know, putting up 673 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: no numbers way bigger than yours? And Kareem says yeah, 674 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 4: but he gets swept all the time. So is he 675 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 4: really that great? That shit fucking hurt me. I was, 676 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 4: but instead of all Kareems hating and it's like, that's 677 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 4: fucking Kareem. So he put the information out. 678 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. 679 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: I don't want to go Jerry West get me. Kareem's 680 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: like he fucking put it out there. He put it 681 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 4: out there for the world. So now, mister Shack, if 682 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 4: you want to be bad, and that's all I try 683 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 4: to do, so like you get all that. Oh yeah, bro, 684 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 4: I'm fifty years old. I don't want no beef. I 685 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 4: don't want no problems. We didn't we didn't. We don't 686 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: lived in LA when it was crazy, We didn't win 687 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: to pass out. We donet been into that. When I 688 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 4: put out information, I'm trying to help me. If you 689 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: don't like my help, just say you don't like my help, 690 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: and I won't mention in that ever again. 691 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: Take take yourself out and I've never heard you say this, 692 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: but I just saw It's funny you said, will I 693 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: saw what he threw like a fake jump ball with 694 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: you and Pat. Yeah, who's your Mount Rushmore big all time, 695 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: not including yourself? 696 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, nine two months at five or four four four 697 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. You gotta go with mister Russell. Uh. For championships, 698 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 4: you gotta go with Kareema du Jabbar. Yes, you gotta 699 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: go with the kim Olzron because I couldn't stop that motherfucker. 700 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: And you gotta go with the other most dominant player 701 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: ever world Chamberlain. I wanted to pass him up in 702 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: points so bad because I was gonna arrogantly say I'm 703 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: the most dominant big man ever. I don't want to 704 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 4: fucking hear nobody else. 705 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: When you play. 706 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: Yes, No, when I start, you know, yeah, when I 707 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 4: started passing people in point like, I know, he had 708 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 4: two championships, so if I get two, I'm in a conversation. 709 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 4: But when I got three and then I got four, 710 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 4: and I was edging up to him in points. That's 711 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 4: why I signed a two year deal in Boston. Need 712 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: to average like ten points for two years. I already 713 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 4: know I need to average like ten points for two years. 714 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 4: And I was gonna pass my because I was gonna 715 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 4: have a fucking press conference. I'm gonna be suiting and 716 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 4: be like, I don't want to hear him fucking name 717 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 4: ever again. So now they say most dominant, Yeah, him, 718 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 4: him and me. 719 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 5: I can live with that. 720 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 4: But you know, somebody asked me the other day it's like, 721 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: hey man, another guy wants to get his jersey retired 722 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: and in Orlando and all that. And my father told 723 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 4: me this long time ago. So my father told me 724 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 4: this a long time ago. If it has to be discussion, 725 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 4: then maybe you're not that great. 726 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: All right, So Jamal just did this thing. I heard it. 727 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 5: I heard it. Yeah, but you're not going to answer. 728 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: That means no, we've done this discussion. 729 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Then I say a player saying like Alonzo morning and 730 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: you go see and then I say, he goes, Kobe, 731 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: do you have to say anything? But the real thing 732 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: here is this is the second time Jamal has been 733 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: on this podcast. It's the second time where he turns 734 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: into the interviewer and it's this move that he does, 735 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh my, that like he doesn't answer question. 736 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: You see what he did to you. 737 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 5: I don't like no, no, no. 738 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: So now Jamal has to answer your questions the world. Okay, 739 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: so you asked him about Mount Rushmore. Who's on your 740 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore? 741 00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Of ball him? 742 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: Oh? Nothing? 743 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: Follow up question? 744 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: Not including yourself? 745 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: Kyrie? Okay, Isaiah? Which is original Detroit Piston? White chocolate? 746 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: You better have to say what? Yeah, white chocolate? 747 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: You're usually the fourth. So I'm curious how you put 748 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: in this spot, Alan Iverson, I'm doing them for Tim Hardaway. 749 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: Timmy was cold, but hey, I just mess Marad. You 750 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: asked Shaq and he told a story about Kareem insulting 751 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: him and it motivated. Have you ever been insulted and 752 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: it's stuck with you for a very long time? 753 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: Insulted or motivated? Or someone's guys? Is Gary Payton's story? 754 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: I'm never told. My name's ringing to sea out. I'm 755 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: in high school. We see Gary Payton at the mall. 756 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: He has Marty Tree of all his boys, about ten people. 757 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm in high school. I'm with his nephew and a 758 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: friend of mine. We see him in the food court. 759 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 5: It is packed. 760 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: Gary Payton is the glove. It's after they went to 761 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 3: the finals, and I didn't know this that he had 762 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: been hearing about me. So he goes down the line. 763 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: He goes with my one friend, you terrible. I already 764 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: played you. He points to his nephew. You ain't shit, 765 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 3: already beat you, and he points to me. I'll never 766 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: say hello to him. You you come see me because 767 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: I don't hear about all these moves and all these 768 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: tricks and shit you're doing. 769 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: This is what we gonna do. The bigger crowd GP 770 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: gets louder and louder. 771 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 5: Shack knows this. 772 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 2: Louder and louder. We gonna play one on one. 773 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: If you beat me, I give you a million dollars, 774 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: a real million, not the Shack million. 775 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: I give you a million dollars. If I beat you. 776 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: I want you to walk around neked in your neighborhood. 777 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: I'm runn around in one of my trucks, and I 778 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: hear about all the shit you're doing. 779 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 5: Let's ride. 780 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: He pointed, like Denzel on Malcolm Mexican. When he went 781 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: like this, all fifteen people in the uthurage went that way. 782 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: I didn't back down. I'm like all these people came 783 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: frough a're screaming, going crazy before social media. 784 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: That was my introduction to Gary Payton was motivation. What happened? 785 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: Did you play? We never played? When I went through 786 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: the draft. 787 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: A year later, I went and stayed with him in 788 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: Oakland and then he worked me out, and uh, that 789 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 3: was dope. 790 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 5: This the experience of GP like a big brother. 791 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: All right, you talked about how you because you then 792 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: asked Chuck all these questions about how you liked. 793 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: You're taking my questions or remixing them. Yes, so you 794 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 5: this is my joke. Can't stop the ring too. 795 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: You talk to old people and you said, you know, 796 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: why not reach out and get some gems? 797 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 5: For sure? 798 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: What is a gem that an og vet gave to 799 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: you that is buried in your chest? 800 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan when I was working out with him in Chicago, 801 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 3: and he said, a lot of people love what comes 802 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: with the game, but don't actually love the game. And 803 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 3: that's stuck with me because the game. Everything else comes 804 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: from the game. You know what I'm saying, Like, no 805 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: matter what you do after that comes from what you 806 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 3: provide on the court and which you bring. 807 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 5: So that stuck with me forever. 808 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: It's honestly, why Okay, I'm going to say something, and 809 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't get clipped out like ever. That 810 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: phrase message more than an athlete, which I think was 811 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,479 Speaker 1: important because it came at the foot of that shut 812 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: up and dribble and that happened, and then it turned 813 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: into more than an athlete, and then from that I 814 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: think athletes were like, oh, I'm not just an athlete. 815 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 2: I'm also this, this and this. 816 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: But they also forgot that the athlete part opens up everything. 817 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: You can do all of that, but like you have 818 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: God given ability, You've worked for fifteen straight years to 819 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: get to this point. Don't abandon it now, and don't 820 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: feel guilty. I feel like some athletes feel guilty about 821 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: being an athlete. 822 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: I knew Shack for shack. I knew Shack for that. 823 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 3: I knew Shack for the dominance on the court. 824 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: First. 825 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 3: That was the introduction to Shaq, and then we learned 826 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 3: he can do all these things at the highest level. 827 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 3: But I knew him as a basketball player first. 828 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 4: Athletes has been a question a long time. But how 829 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 4: you do all at First of all, you gotta play 830 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 4: and play. 831 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: Good dropped thirty and fifteen, and. 832 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 5: You gotta win's that's first of all and you got 833 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: to win all. 834 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: The time think about was this mystery guy now he's 835 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: doing hotel commercials, because once you win, all that other 836 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: shit comes with it. You also talked about why would 837 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: a younger guy reach out what younger players in the 838 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: league reached out to you that it caught you off 839 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: guard of their maturity and their willingness to learn, because 840 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: I know you have a bunch. 841 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, Kyrie, he came and stay with me in Seattle. 842 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: He's last year in Boston, so probably three or four 843 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 3: years ago, and we worked out every day for a month. 844 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: But I was surprised to hear from him. And then 845 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 3: what's crazy? As he told me the story if he 846 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: used to come watch me in Seattle when he was 847 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: eleven years old in the pro ams, and he'd be 848 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: the kid dribbling and doing stuff in between timeouts, so 849 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: you never know who's. 850 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: That was little kids. You're like, if I hit this shot, 851 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: someone's watching, they're gonna think that I'm great. 852 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: Sweet. What was like, what was a typical day of 853 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: Kyrie staying at your house? 854 00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 5: Like? 855 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 3: How did stay at my house became a state in 856 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: the city as a long setup? But a typical day 857 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 3: is We would meet at different gyms, University of Washington 858 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: or Seattle Pacific, whatever workout. I make sure I had 859 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 3: all the movies, all the vibe was right for everything. 860 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 3: If he wanted to go work out and not shoot 861 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 3: that day or not work out that day, I have 862 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 3: a gym set up for him, but he had family up. 863 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 5: There as well. How many shots, Oh bunch we have? 864 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 5: We had some. 865 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: If there was ever footage of me and him going 866 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: at it, oh my god, it was crazy. Who want 867 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 3: you to do a move? We actually at the end 868 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 3: of it, I think he won six wins. I had 869 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: six Yeah, yeah, not one on one. The one on 870 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: one is sure we need a game thirteen? 871 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 5: Then yeah, we did need game thirteen. Yeah. 872 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 3: Here something else I've never said I was supposed to 873 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: be Uncle Drew. I was supposed to be Uncle Drew, 874 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: Uncle Drew with you whatever. I just got traded to 875 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 3: Minnesota and Thibodeau when we're gonna shoot. Thibodeau had off 876 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 3: season workouts. I didn't want to be Hollywood coming from 877 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: l A workouts. You know, tib ain't got an off switch, 878 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 3: like they're doing training camp type workouts right September that 879 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 3: area August September Area when y'all was real because y'all 880 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 3: were shooting. 881 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 5: You shot in Atlanta, right, know what I'm saying. I 882 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 5: used to make your work on the summer. Yeah too. 883 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 5: So I'm going to a new team and I'm like Shack, 884 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 5: Shack's like summer workout. What's that? 885 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 4: What is that? 886 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: That's when Shack was going his hair jumping. Yeah all right, someone, 887 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 3: but no, I was supposed to be an uncle Drew 888 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 3: as well. 889 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: I have an idea that I'd like to pitch. You 890 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: talked about Shaq walking out to the Undertaker theme. We 891 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: see this in baseball when the closer comes out. They 892 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: play music, and it's this big thing. If you're a 893 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford, a sixth man of the Year. Should a 894 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: six Man of the Year get an entrance song for 895 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: when they come into the game? 896 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Like what should the song be? 897 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 2: Well, everyone know, you get your own. 898 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 5: I know. But he's the one that thinks six million 899 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 5: ways did choose one? We got to play? That's that 900 00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 5: Cypress Hill? 901 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's what would be cool if like the 902 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: lights go off for a second, now entering the game, 903 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah said what now entering the game? 904 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 2: Two times? Six Man of the Year Brown six ways today, 905 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 2: choose one want. 906 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 3: All time Cipher. If you had a birthday party, dead 907 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: or alive, you can have any five. 908 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 2: Rappers and turning into a host again, you could. 909 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 5: Have any five rappers in history. Big your birthday party, Big, 910 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 5: Big Daddy Kane. 911 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: You do that, Big Daddy Kane like comments on all 912 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: of our posts. Big Daddy, how does that make you feel? 913 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: It makes me feel great. 914 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: It's it makes me feel great. And I've never met 915 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: BG Daddy Kane. 916 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, so Dad, Big Daddy Kine. Oh he's never been 917 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 5: asked this. 918 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 4: I like red Man, Red Man, red Man, five Dog, Oh, Biggie, 919 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 4: you got one slot left and Puck. 920 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 5: So I used to see Puk and we always used 921 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 5: to you've seen no, I seen that? 922 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 4: No, when was this he wore in the video he wore? 923 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 4: And shoot, I used to see him. I used to 924 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 4: see him all the time at the Member of the 925 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 4: Comedy Store on Tuesday. 926 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 927 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 4: I would always see him there, but like he'd me 928 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 4: be old and I got always like I wish I 929 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 4: could have just shook his hand and Nipsey's hand. 930 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 2: You never did. 931 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 4: No, we'd like we see him and you know respect 932 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 4: because like my thing is when I see another superstar, 933 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 4: I know how it is to be bothered. 934 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 5: I don't want to bother, you know what I mean? 935 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 2: So why you leave me alone? 936 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 5: Like you know what? 937 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 4: Like for example, if I wouldn't have had you hook 938 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 4: me up with Jason, I would have never tried to 939 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 4: meet Taylor Swift. But because I had the hook up. 940 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 4: But even when I met her, I said, this's gonna 941 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 4: be three minutes. 942 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 2: Hey, how did that go? We never talked about that? 943 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 4: So I went the first time. This is at the 944 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 4: super Bowl. Security said wait to halftime. So now I'm like, 945 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 4: the shack just got yeah, yeah, the shack just got 946 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 4: big down. 947 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 5: So I go. 948 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 4: But the crazy thing, luckily is I don't know if 949 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 4: the numbers are correct, but I was in one eighty 950 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: eight and she was in one ninety two, so it 951 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 4: was just walk out, boom boom, She's right there. So 952 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 4: I didn't want to bother during the game. So I 953 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 4: went down and the guy I was like, I said, hey, 954 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 4: tell Jason shag and when I want to see Taylor 955 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 4: just it was just me, me by myself. So a 956 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 4: guy comes out, you gotta wait to havelftime. So now 957 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, so I go to halftime. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 958 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 4: So me and my partner Jamie Salter, we go down. 959 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 4: We take a picture and I see her Ice Spice 960 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 4: as fine as fuck by the way, she's yes, we'll 961 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: get back to Yes, she's she's really hot, so just 962 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 4: take a picture. 963 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 5: I just come. But she was nice, very nice. 964 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: What did you guys talk about? Nothing? 965 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 5: Yes? 966 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: How did that feel like? 967 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 5: I used to that now? 968 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 2: No, I'm curious how been like. 969 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 4: I saw it in and I don't know if it's 970 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 4: sure or not. Say, I'm the third most recognizable face 971 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 4: in the world. It's Pope Barock than me. That is crazy. 972 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 5: I saw it. I don't know how accurate it is. 973 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: I'm not like when people I just don't know if 974 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 2: Barack's ahead, are you like when people see me? 975 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: Like, if I'm being honest, like the Pope, he's wearing 976 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: a hat, it's a dead giveaway. 977 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 2: You take the hat off the Pope. Shack's more famous 978 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 2: than the Pope. 979 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 4: I member she was nice, and that just made it 980 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 4: real quick. And then when I was I asked her, 981 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 4: I said, if we ever met before? 982 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 5: Said no? 983 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 4: And then the reason why I put out the post 984 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 4: with Ice spice, not because I was trying to flirt. 985 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 4: But I didn't really blow off, but I just wanted 986 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 4: to show her some respect to That's why I put 987 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 4: the post out, because I was in there. It was 988 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 4: all about oh shack, my Taylor, and she was in 989 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 4: the picture. So I had to come back and say, oh, yeah, 990 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 4: by the way, this this this little woman is fine too. 991 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 4: But you gotta understand the shack, don't. I don't flirt 992 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 4: like that. You slide the d ms. 993 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 5: My blow my. 994 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 4: Flirting, My flirting is unorthodox. Oh hold on, just because 995 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 4: I say hi, I don't mean I'm sliding in the DM. 996 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 2: But I know that you slide. 997 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 5: You know I'm not. I'm just saying hi. 998 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: I I was drinking with Chuck last night and he 999 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: goes one. He goes, man, I can't believe Shack. I 1000 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 2: mean with that OnlyFans. He's like, what is it? 1001 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: And I had to explain to him what OnlyFans was. 1002 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: And and then I was talking to him and I said, 1003 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: do you really still get called shack? He said, I 1004 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: get called shack twenty five times a week. She said, 1005 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 1: twenty five times a week. People come to me and go, oh, Shack. 1006 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, really, I go be your Charles Barkley. 1007 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 5: He goes. Everybody thinks I shack, No, Charles is not 1008 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 5: this fucking good looking at all. 1009 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 2: Do you ever get called? Ever get mistaken? He got 1010 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 2: mistaken for George Foreman the other day he got really 1011 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 2: it looked like George his fucking head. 1012 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 5: Both of them got big hits. 1013 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 3: Did y'all think y'all be at the front like you 1014 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 3: and him? Especially, like of the whole movement for athletes 1015 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 3: going to TV and ever? Because yeah, I never thought 1016 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 3: about it like that. 1017 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like no, because because when I came 1018 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 4: in I wanted to be on the Brian Gumbelt the 1019 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 4: professional tip I did fucking terrible and fresh air and 1020 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,399 Speaker 4: shout out to TK. He say, if you keep doing 1021 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 4: this ship, you ain't gonna be working in long I said, 1022 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 4: what do you mean? 1023 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 5: He said, be who you are. I said, oh, you 1024 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 5: want that? 1025 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 4: And again the reason why it works for us because 1026 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 4: we realize if we're going all the hard working people 1027 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 4: in the world, we keep you up at twelve midnight. 1028 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 4: One two got to make a fun like if I 1029 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 4: if I watch a game, it's not a good game, 1030 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 4: but I still want to watch Adam Jamal and Shock 1031 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 4: please make me fucking laugh so I can go to 1032 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 4: bed happy, Like who wants to watch a shitty game 1033 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 4: and then watch three shitty guys talk about break down 1034 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 4: the breakdo. 1035 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 5: Nobody wants to. Nobody wants to see that. 1036 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 2: But you guys, You guys know when something's clicking, it 1037 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 2: feels good. 1038 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 5: Their shit is magic. No, our ship magic. We also 1039 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 5: want to. 1040 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 2: We've won an Emmy every year, but we don't get 1041 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 2: any because we're talent. 1042 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 5: What do you mean who made that rule? This sw Yeah? Sure, yeah, 1043 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 5: But I'm just saying y'all are like fucking ma bro. 1044 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 5: But this show that we created, we we we got. 1045 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 5: We're gonna do some big things. Trust me all that. 1046 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 2: You're I want to talk about some NBA about and be. 1047 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 4: Like, show me the money, those real dollars, not those shallas. 1048 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 5: If I go, my boys go, we'd be when you 1049 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 5: when you don't get flustered, you. 1050 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: Have your your finger on the pulse of all the 1051 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: young players in the NBA. 1052 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: And the thing that fans don't see that you guys 1053 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: will see is you know who has the mentality and 1054 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: who has the work ethic. And you talk to the 1055 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: coaching staffs and all of that. If you were to 1056 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: buy stock in any young player right now, let's say 1057 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty five years and under. Who is the first stock 1058 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: that you're buying under twenty f so s g A, Yeah, 1059 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: that's that's one of your big stocks. Let's go back 1060 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: and forth. 1061 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay and Edwards, Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton. 1062 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, Paulo, benk Carroll Boys, both and both boys. 1063 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 5: I'm going to split the stock price. Yes, boys is 1064 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 5: on that list. 1065 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot the fact that Luca hasn't been said. 1066 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 3: Luca, Luca, Luca. I'm thinking about what can we say 1067 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 3: this like we talk about these guys was underrated. Kevin 1068 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 3: Durant went to the finals at twenty three. 1069 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,479 Speaker 5: Wow? 1070 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 2: Did yeah with that against. 1071 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 5: We see our young players doing what they do them 1072 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 5: he went to the finals. 1073 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: That's why I say with Luca, if Luca wins one 1074 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: like this year, with the numbers he's putting up, there 1075 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: will be a conversation to be had that will be bunkers. 1076 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 5: Really why not? Really? 1077 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 4: Right now he's the second best in Dallas mavericacy only 1078 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 4: because of the championship. Now, if he wins one, you 1079 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 4: can put him in that conversation with Dirk. He ain't 1080 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 4: over here yet, He's still in Dallas. He's a great player, but. 1081 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,240 Speaker 2: Let's I want to have this conversation. 1082 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: Who are the NFL NBA players no matter the age 1083 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: that you would legitimately buy a ticket for to go 1084 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: watch because you find them entertaining. 1085 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 4: Ben Simmons, I would want to learn how you can 1086 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 4: make eighty million, then play fifty five games. 1087 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 5: Teach me. 1088 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 4: Teach me how you can fucking play to play fifty 1089 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 4: five games in three seasons and we get thirty million, 1090 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 4: forty million, and get another forty million just by saying 1091 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 4: your back here. Get some fucking icy hot man up. 1092 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: I saw a meme that said he's the NBA representative 1093 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: of the McDonald's ice cream machine. 1094 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, move right along, but who would you buy it. 1095 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 5: It's a new movie coming out of Ocean Rob the luk. 1096 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 2: At Me is at the top of the I would 1097 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 2: pay to watch him play. 1098 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 3: I would pay to watch Booker and Katie because if 1099 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 3: you watched the Sons, you're getting both of them. 1100 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 5: Those two. I still feel like they're gonna surprise people 1101 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 5: in the West. 1102 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you well, Katie's on a terror as we're 1103 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: recording this. He's got seven straight games of thirty five 1104 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: plus the. 1105 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 2: Horse Street he's doing. 1106 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 4: Nobody is beating my vice president of the Big Man Alliance. 1107 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 4: It's not going to Yes, he's the vice president. 1108 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 2: Would you pay to go watch yo? 1109 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 5: Yeah I would. 1110 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 2: I would too. 1111 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 5: We need to fly down there and watch him play. 1112 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 5: Let's do it. Get him on the Big Podcast. You 1113 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 5: probably want to do it because because. 1114 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 2: I promise, you'll only do it in Serbian. 1115 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 4: You'll only only if the first ten minutes is about horses. 1116 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 4: Oh boy, ask him to be on podcast. 1117 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 5: You told him? Yeah, I think we got to pull 1118 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 5: up on him. Shot. Yeah, we got to pull up 1119 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 5: on him. 1120 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 2: Shot. 1121 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't like. Let's go Denver on fire job. 1122 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 5: I'm ed. 1123 00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 4: Oh he's Arab. Oh so I'm gonna like him. Brother, 1124 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 4: I apologize. I thought it was Mexican. You got there, Yeah, 1125 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 4: I thought he was Mexican. No, that's his job to 1126 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 4: get people like I don't like ADK. Some people appreciate it, 1127 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 4: so I need to go. Yes, you got to get 1128 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 4: out of. 1129 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 5: Here, all right. 1130 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: I want to say this. Uh, it's it's been a 1131 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: blast to work with Jamal, and I want to give 1132 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 1: him as props there. It's hard to come into a 1133 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 1: system and then fit right in and then make everyone bloom. 1134 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: And I want to say that all the listeners to 1135 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: The Big Podcast has now had two examples of how 1136 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: he can sit in the chair and then interview t 1137 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: I and then sit down today and make the content great. 1138 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: You're an amazing team player. But at the same point, 1139 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: when it's time for you to go, you have the 1140 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: bag in handles and with the microphone, and so I 1141 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: just want to say it's a it's an honor being 1142 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: your teammate, brother, and we really. 1143 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 4: Appreciate it teammatemate. Yeah, and I hope you'll and I 1144 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 4: hope you all stick with me in the future. 1145 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: Jamal, you're the fucking man you are. For Shaquille O'Neill, 1146 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: for Jamal Crawford, I am leftco. Thank you as always 1147 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: as watching the Big Pod. 1148 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, all about the benjamins. I want some real benjamins. 1149 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 3: You game, Benjamin O'Neill,