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Speaker 1: Sideways the podcast. I am Devin, joined as always by
Speaker 1: who already looks bored and Steve, sorry, I was looking
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Speaker 1: the face of somebody who's been caught expression of that, like, oops,
Speaker 1: I just I'm serious for super serious episode. This is
Speaker 1: a serious topic here, Okay, about that that continent at
Speaker 1: the bottom of our world that keeps us right side
Speaker 1: up and it weighs a lot. It's true. It's the
Speaker 1: center of it's our ballot, it's our ballast. Another term
Speaker 1: at the center of gravity in the middle of the Earth.
Speaker 1: That's the North Pole. Yeah, right, obviously, Sorry, we've already divulged.
Speaker 1: It's fine. This is going to be good, devolved, not divulged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should be sharing some Yeah, you got it. That's great.
Speaker 1: Today's episode was recommended by Colton, So thanks Colton. Yeah, guy, guy, buddy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we are going to talk about Operation high Jump
Speaker 1: and the many weird conspiracy mysteries that surround it. By
Speaker 1: mystery kind of, it's kind of a lot of different
Speaker 1: mysteries put together. There's a lot of weird stuff going
Speaker 1: on here, It's true. Including me. You were likely that's
Speaker 1: nothing weird about you, weird sight. I totally dropped the ball. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're likely unfamiliar with Operation high Jump, which was officially
Speaker 1: called the United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program nineteen nineteen
Speaker 1: forty six to nineteen seven, and rightfully so, because why
Speaker 1: would you know about this? Operation High Jump was one
Speaker 1: of twenty eight expedition SANS made to Antarctica, which is
Speaker 1: the South Pole for you people who don't know what
Speaker 1: that graphically confused. Yeah, five of these twenty eight were
Speaker 1: taken on by the United States. Unsurprisingly, Brittain holds the
Speaker 1: record because they just like to colonize everything they do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they visited Antarctica eleven times, and visits are still happening.
Speaker 1: These are just these like grand expeditions. Yeah, these expeditions
Speaker 1: and discovery. Yeah, yeah, there actually were a lot of
Speaker 1: the Argentines, for example, have been have been sort of
Speaker 1: poking around Antarctica since like the early nineteenth century, very early,
Speaker 1: much closer than we are. Yeah, they definitely it's them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: This specific expedition took place, If you were paying attention,
Speaker 1: you may already know, took place from nineteen forty six
Speaker 1: to nineteen forty seven and involved four thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: men and lots of boats and aircrafts. Officially, there were
Speaker 1: six submissions of this mission expedition up the primary mission
Speaker 1: of the expedition being establishing Little America. For yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't remember Roman numeral. It was like Ivy IVY Little
Speaker 1: America for America form, which was just the base of
Speaker 1: operations for Operation High Jumps, so literally the jumping off point. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. They were like, well, our primary
Speaker 1: goal is to establish the base of the operations for
Speaker 1: our expedition. Where our primary goal is to establish the
Speaker 1: base of operations for our primary expedition goal. I really
Speaker 1: feel like I'm watching a Leslie Nielsen movie. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's like we were at a part of
Speaker 1: town they called Little Italy. Did you ever see that episode?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah. Anyway. The submissions, not to be confused
Speaker 1: with submissions submissions were one training personnel and testing equipment
Speaker 1: in frigid conditions. To consolidating and extending the United States
Speaker 1: sovereignty over the largest practicable of practice I think, participal
Speaker 1: area of the Antarctic continent. This was publicly denied um
Speaker 1: even before the expedition ended. Always it's always been denied
Speaker 1: to the three Determining the feasibility of establishing, maintaining, and
Speaker 1: utilizing bases in the Antarctic for investigation and investigating possible
Speaker 1: based sites. Number four, Developing techniques for establishing, maintaining, and
Speaker 1: utilizing air bases on ice, with particular attention to later
Speaker 1: applicability too, of such techniques to operations in interior Greenland,
Speaker 1: where conditions are comparable to those of the antarctics. So
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing living there? All the fifty
Speaker 1: listeners we have in Greenland? Yeah? How many people live
Speaker 1: in Greenland anyway? And all of them listen to us? Yet? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fifth submission was amplifying existing stores of knowledge of electromagnetic, geographic, geological,
Speaker 1: hydrographic and meteorological propagation conditions in the area. This is
Speaker 1: fancy talking, guys, I'm sorry. And somebody printed the script
Speaker 1: like front to back, so it's like it's fine and
Speaker 1: cheap paper. And six is supplementary objectives to the Ninook Expedition,
Speaker 1: a smaller which which was a smaller expedition to Greenland
Speaker 1: off of the east of Greenland. But yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: Greenland is rather inhospitable from what I've heard. Not the people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're wonderful, but the climate. Well, no, that
Speaker 1: was God. Who was it the discovered Greenland? Do either
Speaker 1: of you remember? Because they named it Greenland in an
Speaker 1: attempt to encourage people to move there, to make it
Speaker 1: sound more hospitable and nicer. It's a greenland Vikings, I think,
Speaker 1: but it was. But but actually that was I think
Speaker 1: in the medieval warm period or something like that. Before
Speaker 1: then it was actually and it actually wasn't all iced over,
Speaker 1: not nearly as much. It was kind of greenish. It
Speaker 1: was a lot greener that is today. Yeah. So, in
Speaker 1: an effort to try to summarize, as many of you
Speaker 1: have been asking for are lately, uh, in like five
Speaker 1: sentences or less, what this mystery is. The mystery here
Speaker 1: is that, um, a lot of people think that this
Speaker 1: is just a big cover up for one of many
Speaker 1: different reasons, and I want to play it a little
Speaker 1: close to the chest and not tell you sure, um,
Speaker 1: but basically that the Navy was sent to battle with
Speaker 1: like UFOs, or like Aliens, or or Nazis, or or
Speaker 1: to hide some stuff from public consumption. Um. So that's
Speaker 1: our mystery, is what really was Operation High Jump and
Speaker 1: what was what were their actual missions? First of all,
Speaker 1: when the military wants to hide something, they just take
Speaker 1: it to area. I've got to shoot that one down
Speaker 1: right away. But they can't get all of Antarctica in
Speaker 1: the temperature is totally different. Yeah, but well maybe they could,
Speaker 1: because if you just melt it down, who I don't
Speaker 1: know how much there is. Let's talk about Operation High
Speaker 1: Jump for a minute. We're going to talk about who
Speaker 1: was involved and like what ships were involved, and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Joe knows some things about some of these ships.
Speaker 1: I don't know not. Operation High Jump was organized officially
Speaker 1: organized by Rear Admiral Richard E. Bird, Jr. The United
Speaker 1: States Navy retired. He was the officer in charge of
Speaker 1: Task Force sixty eight, which was not retired at He
Speaker 1: was not retired at the time he was retired. Eventually
Speaker 1: he was still active, but he was the officer in
Speaker 1: charge of Task Force sixty eight, which is what Operation
Speaker 1: High Jump. All of the people who were a part
Speaker 1: of it, they were part of Task Force, and uh
Speaker 1: a lot of them were like Task Force sixty eight
Speaker 1: point one. Why not? Yeah, And it was led by
Speaker 1: Rear Admiral Richard H. Kruzen because Bird wasn't there on
Speaker 1: the ground per se the whole time. He showed up
Speaker 1: pretty late and left pretty early. Yeah, that was kind
Speaker 1: of his gig, but he was not actually the point man.
Speaker 1: It was kind of his gig because you may may
Speaker 1: not know this about bird. He claims to have been
Speaker 1: the first person to reach both the North and South poles.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of contentions about this claim he did.
Speaker 1: It is documented he reached the South pole, fine, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people think he didn't actually reach the
Speaker 1: North pole. There's a lot of contention about people who
Speaker 1: reached the poles. Every time somebody says that, they're like,
Speaker 1: and if you can't easily prove it, as in, you
Speaker 1: took a hundred people or film the whole thing, it
Speaker 1: was always contesting if it took a hundred people. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult sometimes. Well, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if you use the right if you have the right instrument,
Speaker 1: but it's hard. I mean, there's not our listeners I
Speaker 1: think probably know this, but maybe not. There's not actual
Speaker 1: polls just like sticking out of the ground that say
Speaker 1: like this is the North Pole, and this is this
Speaker 1: outpoll and we congratulations, you've made it. Yeah, technically, there
Speaker 1: have been people who have gone figured out their location
Speaker 1: said I am at the pole, stuck a pole in
Speaker 1: the ground and if you wait twenty five minutes, that
Speaker 1: poll is no longer at the north because of the
Speaker 1: ice shelves moving, and to be fair, I meant like
Speaker 1: naturally occurring poles. It's not like everybody could say, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you get to that pole, you're at the North Pole,
Speaker 1: because it's the North pole. Tops got that little thing
Speaker 1: sticking off the top of it that you used to
Speaker 1: spin with your fingers, right, Yeah. It is a little
Speaker 1: known fact that God does not the Earth does not
Speaker 1: spin because God is just like whipping us around like
Speaker 1: a top every once in a while. That's not that's
Speaker 1: not how it works. Sorry, um no, but we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that on a different episode. Anyway. Bird had been
Speaker 1: previously on a funded expedition, The first United States expedition
Speaker 1: to the Antarctica was actually it was called like Birds
Speaker 1: Expedition or something like that, and he led it and
Speaker 1: he was that was his big thing, was leading these
Speaker 1: extravagant expeditions because these things always turn out so well, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why he was like in charge of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I think he convinced some some lawmakers and
Speaker 1: the president that it was worth it, or somebody said, hey,
Speaker 1: that guy, we should bring him in. He's done it before.
Speaker 1: The impression I have is that he brought it to
Speaker 1: their attention actually that he was like, you know what
Speaker 1: we should do again, go to the South Pole. That's
Speaker 1: a good idea. And again you know, actually probably did
Speaker 1: say something in the order if you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people going down there and setting a basis,
Speaker 1: we better go down and just sort of stake a claim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about a lot of the actual reasons
Speaker 1: um a little bit later. There were five different groups
Speaker 1: on the expedition, and they went different ways. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys got a chance to look
Speaker 1: at the map, um, there were different like approaches that
Speaker 1: people they did, and I mean one of the it
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting actually they kind of they ended
Speaker 1: up kind of completely coming from totally opposite directions to Antarctica,
Speaker 1: and basically the Navy just kind of circumvented the entire circucumnavigate,
Speaker 1: circumnavigating um, the entire continent of Antarctica. They made like
Speaker 1: a big circle um and kind of simultaneously around it,
Speaker 1: which again has a lot of people scratching their heads.
Speaker 1: The East group was three ships, which was the uss
Speaker 1: Pine Island back up here. It was this entire expedition
Speaker 1: was broken into how many groups, five groups total. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's what we're describing each of the groups. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: just make sure I was on board where we were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: super important to the whole story. Um, the USS Pine Island,
Speaker 1: which was a seaplane tender, and there were over thirty
Speaker 1: aircraft aircraft, aircraft, over thirty aircraft that also participated in
Speaker 1: this expedition, both seaplanes and pontoon helicopters, which I think
Speaker 1: there's an actual term for, but I could not remember
Speaker 1: what it was. Um, I don't know, it's a good question.
Speaker 1: A little floaty helicopters. Yeah, yeah, with pontoons on they land. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the USS Brownson, which was a destroyer, and the U
Speaker 1: S S. Canisteo, which was a tanker. And these were
Speaker 1: all like kind of state of the art ships by
Speaker 1: the way, as we're going through this, Um, a couple
Speaker 1: of them were actually like the most state of the
Speaker 1: art ships of the time, but most of them were
Speaker 1: pretty new. Well this is like the year after World
Speaker 1: War two in the US. Yeah, oh yeah, we built
Speaker 1: a lot of ships and so hey, that's probably what
Speaker 1: was this was all about. It's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: got some board sailors, okay, something to do. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh sorry. The central group was the USS Mount Olympus,
Speaker 1: which was in charge of all of the communications for
Speaker 1: this expedition and later become became kind of the floating
Speaker 1: communications hub once they got to the space where they
Speaker 1: were going, which was the Ross Ice Shelf right off
Speaker 1: the Ross Sea. So you know, those of you, yeah,
Speaker 1: those of you who know the ant art, the landscape
Speaker 1: of the ant art, know what I'm talking about, but
Speaker 1: probably no one else does. So talk about the second.
Speaker 1: If you look, if you look at a map of Antarctica,
Speaker 1: and you see like there's what else which is to
Speaker 1: the east of the Antarctic Peninsula that stretches up towards
Speaker 1: South America, and then on the and then go way
Speaker 1: around that peninsula in the's a ross ice shelf, and
Speaker 1: and there's all sorts of ceas and there's just every
Speaker 1: like every every regular intervals like this season there's a
Speaker 1: different yeah, and then and it's like, I don't see
Speaker 1: any particular reason why you should call this a c
Speaker 1: because there's nothing like sticking out and kind of defining
Speaker 1: it as a bay of c or anything else. It
Speaker 1: is my understanding that the reason that those are named,
Speaker 1: and please feel free to emails of us if this
Speaker 1: is wrong, But it was my impression that the reason
Speaker 1: that they're all named different things. Um, the lots of
Speaker 1: the landmasses are named different things too, and that's because
Speaker 1: a bunch of different countries have common been like this
Speaker 1: is our c it's this thing, okay, and this is
Speaker 1: where ore, this is our We claim this whole area here.
Speaker 1: Everything we can see is ours. You can get all
Speaker 1: yours over there, and this is whatever we're doing. That's
Speaker 1: my understanding at least, so I think so. Yeah. And Argentina,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's it's illegal in Argentina to sell
Speaker 1: a map of the country that does not include their
Speaker 1: chunk of Antarctic. I believe that. And they have a
Speaker 1: pretty substantial chuck. Yeah, and that's a waste of paper. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: So back to our ships. The U S S. Yancey
Speaker 1: was also part of the central group. The USS Merrick
Speaker 1: Uh and the Yancy We're both on supplies, that's all
Speaker 1: they were. The U. S. S. Senate, which is sc
Speaker 1: N an E E T not like Senate like our
Speaker 1: like this Congress in the Senate, which was a submarine,
Speaker 1: and the USS Burton Island and the U S. C.
Speaker 1: G C, so the United States Coast Guard craft car
Speaker 1: whatever cutter, UH north Wind, the Barton Burton Island and
Speaker 1: the North Wind. We're both ice for akers, and the
Speaker 1: north Wind was it was the only non naval vessel
Speaker 1: that was sent on this expedition. But who killed it? Um?
Speaker 1: But it was also literally state of the art. It
Speaker 1: was part of the Wind class. It was her and
Speaker 1: her sister ship, which was called the south Wind UM
Speaker 1: I believe south Wind, and they were like state of
Speaker 1: the art, right off the line ice breakers, and they
Speaker 1: were in service for a really, really really long time.
Speaker 1: This was one of the first expeditions that they were
Speaker 1: sent on, so again we're sending fancy tools down here.
Speaker 1: There was the Carrier Group, which was just one ship.
Speaker 1: It was the U S S Philippine Sea. And then
Speaker 1: the West Group, which was the U S S, the
Speaker 1: U S S. Current Tuck, which was another seaplane tanker,
Speaker 1: the U S S Henderson, a destroyer, and and finally
Speaker 1: the USS Casapon which was another tanker. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: more ships do we have? This list is huge. I
Speaker 1: told you there was a lot of ships. They had
Speaker 1: a lot of ships to go through. Yeah, the Western
Speaker 1: Group ships reached the Marquesis Islands, which is part of
Speaker 1: French Polynesian Islands or French Polynesia. Yeah. Here, that's a
Speaker 1: nice place, like all that stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna go someday,
Speaker 1: probably not as soon as you. Yeah, the Polynesian Islands
Speaker 1: are super nice French Polynesian Islands. There's also US Polynesian
Speaker 1: I think, so there's a bunch of different Polynesians. We
Speaker 1: keep tracking at the moment. These islands are parallel with
Speaker 1: Northern Peru, kind of um close to the equator. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: not exactly a great place for as your as to
Speaker 1: set up as your base of Antarctic operations. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: basically halfway up the world. Yeah, they think they wanted
Speaker 1: to just stop off and like party for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Maybe that was like it really is. It
Speaker 1: was funny as I charted the court, you know, just
Speaker 1: because I have Google Earth opening and I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out which. By the way, figuring out north
Speaker 1: on the South Pole is really pain in the butt.
Speaker 1: But the point is I was looking and saying, okay,
Speaker 1: so where is this relation to the United States, And
Speaker 1: if you went from if you left California and you
Speaker 1: went on a degree angle. It is almost exactly halfway
Speaker 1: between the US and Antarctica, and it seems to be,
Speaker 1: as you said, kind of a stop off, a little
Speaker 1: bit out of the way. That well, one thing I
Speaker 1: will say is that it is it's not my understanding
Speaker 1: that all of these ships were coming from the same ports,
Speaker 1: you know, especially like even in the same group, right,
Speaker 1: the Western group was all coming from different ports, and
Speaker 1: they had to have someplace where they were like, all right,
Speaker 1: meet there and then we'll all go through the dangerous
Speaker 1: part together, because that's why we're in a group, is
Speaker 1: so that we can, you know, all work as a
Speaker 1: team to go down. So I think that it was
Speaker 1: probably a pretty convenient spot. I suspect that some of
Speaker 1: the ships were not coming from America, so I was like,
Speaker 1: let's just all meet here in the party for a
Speaker 1: little while and then go down. Yeah, it was very
Speaker 1: probably something coming from who knows where, Japan, you know,
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor and god knows where. So they didn't actually
Speaker 1: reach that um set of islands until December twelfth, nineteen six.
Speaker 1: So this when when we're talking about this expedition running
Speaker 1: from nineteen to ninety seven, I know you have the
Speaker 1: impression that it was like a year, but it was
Speaker 1: really like less than six months. It was like a
Speaker 1: couple of months. Yeah, but less than it was less
Speaker 1: than a half a year. And keep in mind because
Speaker 1: I actually had this question initially, it's like, why are
Speaker 1: you going there in the winter. That's so dumb, But
Speaker 1: it's actually it's actually the summer in Antarctic the best
Speaker 1: time to be there, if there is a good time.
Speaker 1: There's a little confused that part of the world. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one they all got there, a bunch of the seaplanes
Speaker 1: started exploring southerly just to make sure, you know, conditions
Speaker 1: are good, you know, is are there islands that we
Speaker 1: should stop at, because they think, you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that was still uncharted. I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't have satellites back in those days. We we
Speaker 1: were pretty sure we knew where things were. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you can't take pictures from space, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think there might be an island there,
Speaker 1: but that could be from one of those fake maps
Speaker 1: that's you know, to test us. We did. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was on December is when they launched those So
Speaker 1: after twelve days they launched all of these seaplanes to
Speaker 1: explore down in the South regions. The eastern group of
Speaker 1: ships reached Peter the First Island in late December. There's
Speaker 1: not really a date attached to this um late December
Speaker 1: of forty six. The Peter the First Island is just
Speaker 1: about two hundred and eighty miles away from Antarctica. That's
Speaker 1: kind of closed. That's to four and fifty KOs for
Speaker 1: you folks who don't use the smart measurements. It's currently
Speaker 1: claimed by Norway along with our favorite little island, Bouvet Island.
Speaker 1: One of the way, is the boat still there? I
Speaker 1: think so. I don't know. I haven't done our national monument. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the Norwegian National Monument. Actually, is this real weird
Speaker 1: boat on a tiny little island on the totally other
Speaker 1: side of the world. You go away had half a
Speaker 1: sense of humor. They would like take the boat away
Speaker 1: and replace it with another boat that like a sailboat
Speaker 1: or god knows what. You know. They really should just
Speaker 1: best what the world's head. You know what we should
Speaker 1: do is we should start a Kickstarter campaign or go
Speaker 1: fund me campaign to get all of us to go
Speaker 1: down to Bouvet Island to just the three of us
Speaker 1: and just replace the ship our Don't you think I
Speaker 1: will go. I will take that challenge higher standing. I
Speaker 1: believe it's gonna be rather cold. Yeah, that's what Parker
Speaker 1: is there for. I don't like the coal. That's what
Speaker 1: ton Tons are for. I don't like the coal kind.
Speaker 1: And it's not that bad in the summertime. Their summertime,
Speaker 1: not ours. Famous last words. Uh. Now, Arctica has that
Speaker 1: kind of peninsula that Joe was talking about a little
Speaker 1: earlier that runs north towards South America. I've granted every
Speaker 1: peninsula off of Antarctica runs north, but this one like
Speaker 1: really runs north. It's it's the only peninsula. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there are two kind of like gulfs. There's the one
Speaker 1: gulf that's like inside the peninsula and gulfs on the outside,
Speaker 1: both of which have ice shelves over the gulf's ross
Speaker 1: the Ross ice shelf, which is where Little America is once.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still there or not. Probably
Speaker 1: still there. There were a lot of Little America's. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like south of New Zealand kind of on
Speaker 1: the other side, it's hard, like like Steve was saying,
Speaker 1: like it's almost impossible to say, like, it's not like
Speaker 1: there's nout. Yeah, you can't say, well, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like north, it's like east. It's like you need to
Speaker 1: go by longitude. I mean that's the only way to
Speaker 1: do it. So starting at zero degrees and just working
Speaker 1: your way around, that's kind of way to do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. So's so realistically, what you have
Speaker 1: to do is if you really care about where the
Speaker 1: Ross ice shelf is is just google it. It'll pop up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's white. You have to seem out a lot
Speaker 1: before you can see anything about white. But then it'll
Speaker 1: show up and it's fine. Just I was just to
Speaker 1: help you get a little bit of bearings. The Eastern
Speaker 1: group arrived at the Bay of Whales, which is a
Speaker 1: seaport for the Ross ice Shelf. Actually was it went away? Okay?
Speaker 1: Was it kind of disappeared when an iceberg was melted
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, So they got to the Bay of Whales,
Speaker 1: like I said, um on January of forty seven. A
Speaker 1: little more than like a month later, Yeah, in late
Speaker 1: February of nineteen forty seven, they were ordered to return home.
Speaker 1: Mission success go home. Yeah, so that's another reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the going on of the actual time on the Ross
Speaker 1: ice shelf aren't particularly well documented for a public consumption,
Speaker 1: which is why we get to do an episode on it. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that was not They didn't have like a documentary film
Speaker 1: cruise along for the whole. They did have some journalists,
Speaker 1: but since it was an active mission of the military,
Speaker 1: plus the journalists all died, didn't They four men did die,
Speaker 1: but none of them were journalists. But they they you know,
Speaker 1: the Navy got to say what they got to review
Speaker 1: when they wrote and approving, right, I mean, the only
Speaker 1: form of communication was on a naval ship. Did you
Speaker 1: read how some of these guys died? Though? That was
Speaker 1: a plane crash for three of my thing, but the
Speaker 1: other four that was horrible. So if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: the big thing that you know they pour asphalt to
Speaker 1: make a road and then they've got the big the
Speaker 1: big steamroller job that goes across it had one of
Speaker 1: those to pack the ice to make runways. He was
Speaker 1: like Wiley, a coyote on many occasions sucked under the wheel.
Speaker 1: So it's actually interesting. I've read two different accounts of
Speaker 1: how he died. Both of them are horrific. There was
Speaker 1: that one, and then there was another one where they
Speaker 1: were using a fork, like a giant forklift to unload
Speaker 1: some of these other big pieces of machinery and he
Speaker 1: just happened to be in the way, so he got crushed.
Speaker 1: They like put down the tractor on top of it there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is also really rough whenever there's unloading a big things.
Speaker 1: I'm far away. Yeah, me too, as far aways possible.
Speaker 1: The worst move I was gonna say. They're like, Devon,
Speaker 1: come help, and I'm like i can't my back. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll take some pizza. The four men die and then
Speaker 1: then what happens? Yeah, but they were called in February.
Speaker 1: So where does that leave us? Great question, Steve, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, so the thing is is like these four
Speaker 1: men died, but that wasn't the reason that they were
Speaker 1: called back. They were called back because the weather was bad.
Speaker 1: That was an acceptable amount of casualty s apparently, or
Speaker 1: I mean, actually a much higher number would have been acceptable.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there there are numbers about that. But out
Speaker 1: of four deaths, say you know, I mean, but especially
Speaker 1: in a hostile, dangerous environment like Antarctica, is it's kind
Speaker 1: of to be expected that at least a few people
Speaker 1: are going to die. Yeah, I mean, but that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, like we don't really know what happened down there.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be building this base and they
Speaker 1: were kind of paving away for an airway, but that
Speaker 1: kind of didn't really pan out. And then they were
Speaker 1: supposed to be like training on combat, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the ships were there for like two weeks, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of training
Speaker 1: you can do in two weeks, but it seems like
Speaker 1: not a lot of stuff happened, which is kind of weird. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that they were probably doing stuff
Speaker 1: like just testing their new their new toilets on sean
Speaker 1: board the ships, just to make sure that they truly
Speaker 1: didn't freeze up like they were supposed to not do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably that's why it was stuff like that, checking the plumbing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that is making sure the heaters worked. That
Speaker 1: was one of the stated missions, was just to see
Speaker 1: how well some of the gear and stuff held up
Speaker 1: in those kind of conditions. And so I guess a
Speaker 1: month is long enough to do that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Yeah. Um Bird gave an interview
Speaker 1: in March of that year. Admiral Bird retired, gave an
Speaker 1: interview in March off on his return. I think he
Speaker 1: was in Argentina. I can't remember, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: what I think it was South America, somewhere in I
Speaker 1: was I was taking Oh, yeah, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're basically he it was this kind of weird interview,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how accurate it is, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to read part of it because it kind of
Speaker 1: adds yeah, and it adds to the intrigue. Actually, Joe,
Speaker 1: do you want to read This'll put on my admiral voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I'll just give the whole thing here. Admiral
Speaker 1: Richard E. Bird Warren today that the United States that
Speaker 1: measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of
Speaker 1: the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions.
Speaker 1: The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone,
Speaker 1: but the cruel reality is that in case of a
Speaker 1: new war, the United States could be attacked by planes
Speaker 1: flying over one or both Poles. This statement was made
Speaker 1: as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience
Speaker 1: in an exclusive interview with International News Service, talking about
Speaker 1: that recently completed expedition, Birds said that the most important
Speaker 1: result of his observations and discoveries is the potential the
Speaker 1: fact that they have in relation to the security of
Speaker 1: the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world
Speaker 1: is shrinking, recalled the Admiral is one of the most
Speaker 1: important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have
Speaker 1: to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when
Speaker 1: we were able to take refuge in our isolation and
Speaker 1: rely on the certainty that the distances the oceans and
Speaker 1: the poles were a guarantee of safety. So that leaves
Speaker 1: a lot of people questioning, well, yeah, especially I mean
Speaker 1: I can totally see actually flying over the poles. I mean,
Speaker 1: actually he was a little bit prescient because of course,
Speaker 1: now what we're looking, We're always watching. We're always watching
Speaker 1: for those those i CBMs come come flying over the
Speaker 1: pole from the pole from Russia. I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: about the South Pole, Ya, Russia or anybody else. Frankly,
Speaker 1: even if Australia wanted to attack US, I think there's
Speaker 1: better ways than flying over the South Pole to get
Speaker 1: to US. Yeah, I was gonna say the other things
Speaker 1: that a lot of people read, and and much as
Speaker 1: you have stated, I always took this, at least initially,
Speaker 1: I took it the way you said, like flying over
Speaker 1: the poles, coming from somewhere, going over the pole and
Speaker 1: hitting us. But he could have also meant something akin
Speaker 1: to what we were trying to do, which is someone
Speaker 1: establishes a base, so they're flying from the pole, so
Speaker 1: it's it's technically it's kind of over the pole to us,
Speaker 1: but that's that cuts down the distance required greatly. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like, if you think about the situation then,
Speaker 1: because the Cold War is starting where we're looking at
Speaker 1: prop potentially catastrophic war with the Soviet Union, and think
Speaker 1: about you know that with all these planes and everything
Speaker 1: they have left over from World War Two, if they
Speaker 1: wanted to say, fly up to the North Pole, established
Speaker 1: temporary basis for supplies of fuel, etcetera, and just refuel
Speaker 1: their planes. They're all their bombers and stuff for an
Speaker 1: invasion of the US. You know, that's that's entirely a
Speaker 1: feasible thing. Well, and they would have to have some
Speaker 1: sort of base of operations because I actually looked into
Speaker 1: this is that bombers of you know, large caliber planes
Speaker 1: like that that are able to carry that kind of
Speaker 1: equipment had a range of about two to three thousand miles,
Speaker 1: so they would have had to have started. They couldn't
Speaker 1: have made the trip in one feld. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I say, just established temporary basis where they can stop, refuel.
Speaker 1: Everybody goes to the bathroom and then serious. And I
Speaker 1: still wonder about those guys like you know, like flying
Speaker 1: those those long missions and like F you know F
Speaker 1: fifteen s and B two bombers and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you guys do? There was a bucket?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? I've I've read accounts there
Speaker 1: was a bucket. God help you. If there was turbulence
Speaker 1: and the buckets spilled and you were the low man
Speaker 1: on the totem pole, you had to clean the bucket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more of the guys that are like sitting
Speaker 1: in there, like I say, an SR seventy one, where
Speaker 1: you're in a titlett com cockpit. You can't stand up
Speaker 1: and walk back to the bucket and urinated. No, that's
Speaker 1: a diaper situation. I guess a diaper or maybe a
Speaker 1: coffee can they give you a coffee? Can you? Guys?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you guys are treading. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: treading into theories category. Actually yes week, next week our mystery.
Speaker 1: What are those guys do? Yeah? Um no, But I
Speaker 1: mean there there are some questions, you know, the stuff
Speaker 1: about flying over the poles, especially in the South Pole,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1: But I do you know when one of the questions,
Speaker 1: right is like why would why did they call this
Speaker 1: high jump? Like they're going to the most southern point
Speaker 1: of the world and calling it high jump? Actually why? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's suspicious. But I can answer that question. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can. Can Can you do it in theories? Yeah? Yeah? Great? Perfect.
Speaker 1: So bird you may remember I said he didn't show
Speaker 1: up until like way late. He showed up on January,
Speaker 1: and the evacuation orders were sent in like the middle
Speaker 1: of February. So that's the way I would do it.
Speaker 1: If I was going to well, I would do it too.
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of efforts to put into
Speaker 1: basically what was like a month of photographs, because that
Speaker 1: was really the only takeaway that that happened from this mission,
Speaker 1: and they did take about seventy photographs, about half of
Speaker 1: which was selfies, you know, but most of them were
Speaker 1: useless because there was no ground control on any of them.
Speaker 1: And what that means for people who don't know is
Speaker 1: is you fly in a grid pattern so that you
Speaker 1: can line things up, and they didn't do that. You
Speaker 1: just kind of flew around and took some pictures. They
Speaker 1: had white stuff together. Yeah, yeah, this is what's white. Hey,
Speaker 1: it goes with the rank next to it, which is
Speaker 1: kind of ad I don't know why they didn't have
Speaker 1: some sort of more disciplined effort for that. They should have,
Speaker 1: But but that also raises questions for people, is like,
Speaker 1: we are they doing something else? Maybe they're just flat
Speaker 1: around like looking for you secret stuff, or were they
Speaker 1: hiding something? Right, Maybe they did find something and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, what do you mean, we didn't take
Speaker 1: any pictures of that grid part. Whoops. They just pull
Speaker 1: them out and took the notes off of them totally.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna talk about some theories, yeah, because like chomping
Speaker 1: at to talk about what I just told him that
Speaker 1: he had to wait about to talk about. So it's
Speaker 1: theory number one. Theory number one is that the Navy
Speaker 1: did it for the reasons the Navy did it, they
Speaker 1: were telling the truth. One does that happened all the time.
Speaker 1: So they said they were going to like win World
Speaker 1: War two, did they Yeah, we get to write the
Speaker 1: history books. So yeah, never mind, we've won all the
Speaker 1: wars that we've been involved in. Okay, uh um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we just assumed that the Navy is telling
Speaker 1: the truth that they sent more than four thousand troops
Speaker 1: too and several resources down to Antarctica to establish a
Speaker 1: base for a month, to establish a base for a month,
Speaker 1: to establish a base for a month, and do the
Speaker 1: like ten other things they said they were going to um,
Speaker 1: okay six whatever. I mean, you know, and there is
Speaker 1: I know, this was the thing you want to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: is like why Operation high Jump might have been called
Speaker 1: Operation high Jump. Yeah, because there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: suspicion about that. There has. Yeah, but this is on
Speaker 1: the heels of World War two and the military, the
Speaker 1: US military burned to all the operational names. They have
Speaker 1: a huge list, and there's there's a whole office in
Speaker 1: the Penticon that maintains this lip and they pretty much
Speaker 1: burned through the entire thing. There are only a couple
Speaker 1: of kind of crappy names left. Wait, wait, is their
Speaker 1: list the equivalent to our not brought to you by list.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, it's running out. That new petition change
Speaker 1: dot org. Somebody make this um petition to make Team
Speaker 1: Sideways the official namer of operations from now on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that'd be kind of cool. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: have to tell us what they are. They can just
Speaker 1: be like, we just need like a new name for
Speaker 1: an operation, and we hug operation free Hug. That's about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that's not suspicious at all.
Speaker 1: They just they were stuck with the lame name because
Speaker 1: that was about all that was left over. I mean,
Speaker 1: they did there was an operation that was fairly simultaneous,
Speaker 1: which was Operation a Nook, right, which was also an
Speaker 1: ice based one. Like why why didn't they call it
Speaker 1: like Polar Bear Hug Operation Polar Bears. I'm stuck on
Speaker 1: the hugs right now. Yeah, that's a good question. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the nook kind of makes sense. Yeah, although that today
Speaker 1: that would be probably cause cultural appropriation, so culturally insensitive appropriation.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, though, I actually, to a degree,
Speaker 1: this expedition being taken on at this time makes sense
Speaker 1: when you actually again we've got to look back a
Speaker 1: year or three to World War Two, and there is
Speaker 1: that whole time when the Russians and the Germans are
Speaker 1: going at it and men are Germans mostly are dying
Speaker 1: in droves because they're freezing to death because they are
Speaker 1: ill equipped and you're ill prepared for this kind of terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible cold. And so in a way it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're there's some things, you know, Russian and
Speaker 1: Us we're kind of giving each other the stink. I
Speaker 1: maybe we should just gain a little bit more information
Speaker 1: just to make sure we don't get caught in action,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, when you're when you're out there
Speaker 1: fighting in the snow and you're fringing rifle doesn't work,
Speaker 1: you know, what does that kind of and thanks your
Speaker 1: jeep doesn't whatever. I mean. The thing the other thing
Speaker 1: to think about, yes, is this is on the heels
Speaker 1: of World War Two, and that will feed into some
Speaker 1: of our other theories. But it's also on the beginning
Speaker 1: of the Cold War, um, and you know, and it's cold, right,
Speaker 1: but also like with Russia, right, And there's some saying
Speaker 1: I think it might be in Russia. I don't know
Speaker 1: really where it's from, but it's like, um, all all
Speaker 1: Russia has to do is make it to the winter
Speaker 1: and then yeah maybe yeah, well so I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know, like the better quote or whatever, but
Speaker 1: basically it's basically that, yeah, all I Russia has to
Speaker 1: do is get to the winter, and then Russia the
Speaker 1: land mother Russia will fight the war itself, because every
Speaker 1: every single time somebody has tried to invade Russia or
Speaker 1: otherwise wage war, wage war on Russian land, they've just
Speaker 1: died in the winter. And with the winter is like
Speaker 1: the years too, I mean, and that was the French
Speaker 1: under Napoleon, and Naves suffered badly. Everybody whould tries this. Yeah. Granted,
Speaker 1: Napoleon I think tried to take like elephants, which maybe
Speaker 1: not the right choice, but okay, listen, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of issues trip, but no, so that's something to
Speaker 1: bear in mind as well. Um, but let's go to
Speaker 1: more fun theories theories. Um, this one's less still not
Speaker 1: super fun, but still a little more fun. Um that
Speaker 1: that the main, the main reason of it was actually
Speaker 1: just to claim more land. And as we mentioned that,
Speaker 1: I think it was listed that was a claim of
Speaker 1: some sort. There wasn't specific a specific parcel of land. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the submission number two that we listed before.
Speaker 1: But again it has been publicly denied the entire time,
Speaker 1: basically that that was actually a reason, which is weird
Speaker 1: because like that was a one of the reasons we
Speaker 1: wanted to get to get to the Moon first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to claim it as ours. Yeah we well
Speaker 1: not necessarily we own the moon. We just a we
Speaker 1: probably do, but we most especially didn't want anybody else
Speaker 1: itt up there and stick of a claim to it.
Speaker 1: We wanted the cheese, yeah, all the trees and whatever,
Speaker 1: the cow that jumps over and all that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My one of my favorite things is this like thought
Speaker 1: process of what if like China or Russia went to
Speaker 1: the Moon and went up and just like knocked our
Speaker 1: flag over? What would you do? And I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that America would spend the millions of dollars that it
Speaker 1: would take to send another man to the moon. We
Speaker 1: could do it for millions of dollars to have trillions
Speaker 1: of however much money it would take. We would be
Speaker 1: petty enough to send another man to the moon or woman,
Speaker 1: another person to the moon to knock their flag over
Speaker 1: and be like what the current yahoo would either do
Speaker 1: that or go on a Twitter tirade one of the two. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Like I am fully supportive of NASA doing that in
Speaker 1: the instance that China or Russian goes for sure, we
Speaker 1: should go back to the moon anyway, or at least
Speaker 1: hire somebody like Stanley Kuber to fake it, fake it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Elon Musk is going so take it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: al must Anyway, that was that was the long version
Speaker 1: of the this extra theory is that also it was
Speaker 1: for this theory or this mission that of course it
Speaker 1: was we had to claim a little piece of land wine.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was running down there and stake of the claim.
Speaker 1: And I've seen this take to take their claims kind
Speaker 1: of seriously, like Norway or Argentina, which is the one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you have to have from the map. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like but Argentina does. But a lot of
Speaker 1: the other countries do too. Uh. They've sort of officially
Speaker 1: declared that even because some of their claims kind of
Speaker 1: overlap a bit, and so they officially declared that even
Speaker 1: though their claim is the right one, they're not going
Speaker 1: to make a huge stink over it. Smart decide. Everybody's
Speaker 1: signed a treaty. So everybody's decided, Yeah we're right, but
Speaker 1: we're just gonna like just not you know, shoot anybody
Speaker 1: over it. Okay. So yeah, this next theory is that
Speaker 1: it was a response to aliens or a battle over
Speaker 1: a Nazi sanctuary. Yeah, this is really the UFO theory, right, Um,
Speaker 1: it's a good one, actually, the secret Nazi base. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is that's one of the big proponents are
Speaker 1: one of the big parts of this theory is there
Speaker 1: is a theory out there that there was a Nazi
Speaker 1: base that was established on Antarctica, and that's where like
Speaker 1: you know, Hitler, because he didn't actually die, he was
Speaker 1: he was taken down German shepherd Antarctica. Yeah, had a
Speaker 1: German shepherd. He had a German shepherd that he loved, right, No,
Speaker 1: I took her with him. He left it bron He
Speaker 1: had a bullet hole in her head, I think, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean that's it's a It is a big
Speaker 1: theory that they had this thing down there and that
Speaker 1: we knew about it, and so we sent a bunch
Speaker 1: of naval ships down there to once and for all
Speaker 1: obliterate the Nazis down there. I guess is the way
Speaker 1: that that goes. Jerry basically that in this theory, it
Speaker 1: was not storms that forced them to retreat. It was
Speaker 1: UFOs again, either trustrial, either terrestrial or non terrestrial. That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Nazi UFOs or alien UFOs altogether in
Speaker 1: one coherent theory. Yeah. Take that. No, I like it now.
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. I have some questions about that, but
Speaker 1: I'll wait till you get to the end of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here are some other things that people present as evidence.
Speaker 1: You might be able to hear my air quotes around
Speaker 1: that evidence for this theory. Apparently some of the ships
Speaker 1: were lost. Yeah, the US it was after the mission.
Speaker 1: The USS Pine Island was struck from the Naval register
Speaker 1: in an unknown date. Her title was transfer or to
Speaker 1: Maritime Administration for layup at the National Defense Reserve Fleet.
Speaker 1: She was actually re registered in Portland, Oregon. Do you
Speaker 1: know where? Uh, yeah, right here in Portland, Oregon's yeah,
Speaker 1: a stone So from where we sit right now. But
Speaker 1: oh my god, we are We're the product, were the
Speaker 1: product probably, but yeah, but but I believe it was
Speaker 1: given to Zydell just to be chopped up for Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was actually well. I saw an aerial photos of
Speaker 1: Zydell and huge acres and acres of land right next
Speaker 1: to the Willam and they had like at least a
Speaker 1: dozen Navy ships tied up there in the river, and
Speaker 1: online acres and acres are just piles of scrap and
Speaker 1: they had it all sorted out in the various things,
Speaker 1: but just piles and piles of it. Really cool photo.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I was supposed to have seen it
Speaker 1: or not. It might have been classified, but people don't know.
Speaker 1: Zidell was a scrappy, yeah, ship scrap yard mostly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't think it's any coincidence that this
Speaker 1: ship went down and participated in this and then and
Speaker 1: then right after that or one of years after thirty
Speaker 1: years after it was chopped up, you know and scrapped.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was in two I think officially
Speaker 1: they've done that to a number of ships, right, but
Speaker 1: it was it was struck from the register before it disappeared, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it came back just to be scrapped. I
Speaker 1: have no idea how that happens, but you know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a big meraucracy the Navy is, and I
Speaker 1: imagine they misplaced ships all the time. Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you could have just called them up
Speaker 1: and been like, hey, did you know that the uss
Speaker 1: Pine Island was like missing from these dates on your
Speaker 1: registry and they'd be like, oh, look at that, we'll
Speaker 1: fix it. Cool. Thanks. Guy. You call him up and
Speaker 1: you tell them that, and there's a scream and the
Speaker 1: phone drops, hear them running away, and then pretty soon
Speaker 1: they come. Somebody else goes decide, never mind, it's all okay,
Speaker 1: take care of taking care of It's fine. What's your
Speaker 1: thank you? We want to send you a thank you package?
Speaker 1: What's your address? Where? What are you? Where are you located?
Speaker 1: Right now? Then in suits and sunglasses will be delivering
Speaker 1: thank you. Another thing that people say to back up
Speaker 1: their Nazi sanctuary a slash alien technology theory sanctuary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what it is. It's a retirement home
Speaker 1: for Hitler. I'd call that a Nazi sanctuary. Nazi Hills,
Speaker 1: Nazi Hills, Nazi Hills, Nazi Hills, the Nazi sanctuary in
Speaker 1: Antarctica States anyway. Um, sorry, So apparently there's a claim
Speaker 1: that Bird's remarks in the newspaper the one that Joe
Speaker 1: read a couple of minutes ago was actually a bitter reality.
Speaker 1: In the case of a new war, the continental US
Speaker 1: would be attacked by flying objects which would fly from
Speaker 1: poll to pull at incredible speeds, which leads these researchers
Speaker 1: to believe that Bird himself was trying to warn people
Speaker 1: about the UFOs he'd en counter down there without like
Speaker 1: trying to trying to circumvent use that word, right, his
Speaker 1: gag order from the Navy. Yeah, already just saw the
Speaker 1: speed at which missile technology was moving and thought or
Speaker 1: the one that Joe red was a good translation and
Speaker 1: this one was a weird translation. I think the one
Speaker 1: that I read was actually it wasn't actually a direct quote.
Speaker 1: It was more like a summary of his remarks, and
Speaker 1: it could have been misrepresented as the idea of things
Speaker 1: coming over both poles. Maybe they met the North Pole,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I mean, so the big
Speaker 1: question here is like, why would the Nazis be hiding
Speaker 1: down yonder because nobody else would go there, well except
Speaker 1: for tons of people were going there all the time.
Speaker 1: That's why they're on the moon. Yeah yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 1: but a contest the size of Antarctica even if even
Speaker 1: if hundreds of people go are there at any given time,
Speaker 1: you're still pretty unlucky to run into them. True. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, as long as you put yourself kind
Speaker 1: of as long as you use some white camo around
Speaker 1: your base, you're probably good. On The question is how
Speaker 1: do you feed them natural resources? Being snow and oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the Nazis have absolutely perfected greenhouse technology. Of course they have,
Speaker 1: right well, and maybe they don't need to because maybe
Speaker 1: they actually have alien technology, because the other theory is Nazis.
Speaker 1: You know, again, this isn't an r isn't an episode
Speaker 1: about that necessarily, but we've talked a little bit around
Speaker 1: the idea that the Nazis might have had like flying
Speaker 1: saucer UFOs and also had some kind of weird technology
Speaker 1: of you know, laser guns and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: think it would have won the war if they had
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but maybe, or just maybe the Nazis,
Speaker 1: in creating their base in Antarctica encountered the Aliens, and
Speaker 1: the Aliens were like, sure, you can have our technology.
Speaker 1: You seem like good people. I don't know, uh so, yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: what if the Nazis stumbled across the Aliens and their
Speaker 1: secret base, and they blackmailed them. They said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to skip your secret you know you will,
Speaker 1: you will hand us your devastating weapons otherwise we'll rat
Speaker 1: you out. And the ali said, oh you got us
Speaker 1: good there, Okay, here you go, rather than just using
Speaker 1: our deadly weapons to obliterate you. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: actually no rule. I mean, the Aliens might have some
Speaker 1: fantastic technology, but that doesn't mean that they're actually not morons. Totally.
Speaker 1: They totally could. I mean, if you look at there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people I see walking around today who
Speaker 1: have the most fantastic technology in their hands, you know,
Speaker 1: like an iPhone and their complete bone heads. Yeah, try
Speaker 1: to explain to your like, you know, if you ever
Speaker 1: somebody came from the past, from the fifties, like, try
Speaker 1: to explain to them that you hold in your pocket
Speaker 1: a device that could access every single bit of knowledge
Speaker 1: that's ever been held in the entire world. They use
Speaker 1: it to like look at cavidios, Like that's where we
Speaker 1: use it for, right. Yeah. I have a question if
Speaker 1: if so, this theory is saying that we there were
Speaker 1: UFOs and either they were Nazi driven or they were
Speaker 1: little green men driven okay, or grace the neutral ones.
Speaker 1: So my question is why and and of course the
Speaker 1: theory goes on to say that these little guys at
Speaker 1: least obliterated at least one ship on the expedition by
Speaker 1: you know, going pup pew and just blowing it out
Speaker 1: of the water. Why are they not destroying any other boats?
Speaker 1: Because maybe they're actually just scientific observers who were just
Speaker 1: trying to protect their anonymity. You're saying they're shy. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying there, maybe they're scientists who were just sent
Speaker 1: to observe and the only reason they attacked was because
Speaker 1: they were being attacked. And then once we left, they
Speaker 1: were like great, cool they probably Yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. I'm sorry, I cannot defend this theory particularly well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a dumb theory, but I like it
Speaker 1: because it's fun. It's it's fun. The next two are dumb, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're they're real quick. Um. The next one is that
Speaker 1: the Navy went down there to further protect the secret
Speaker 1: of the Hollow Earth. How would they further protected, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, they circumvented the entire They're com navigated the
Speaker 1: entirety of Antarctica. So they were really just securing the perimeter,
Speaker 1: making sure that no one else was down there, and
Speaker 1: then may and then like you know, putting somehow deterrence
Speaker 1: of some kind. I don't know, bid electric sense maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what. I definitely don't want people
Speaker 1: discovering that entrance because, yeah, a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of unclaimed real estate. And it's true or your own
Speaker 1: plot alternately very claimed. There's two two groups of people
Speaker 1: who may have claimed already the hollow Earth. One is Nazis,
Speaker 1: because that's the other theory, right, is that Nazis are
Speaker 1: actually living inside of the Hollow Earth. That was the entrance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the entrance, and the U. S. Navy was
Speaker 1: really going there to be like, all right, you can
Speaker 1: live down there, but don't come up. If I see
Speaker 1: you step foot out the door. We're just telling them
Speaker 1: they did just blast the whole shot. Yeah, it's possible
Speaker 1: you're staying in there and enjoy yourself. But alternately, it
Speaker 1: is where the lizard people who secret secretly run our lives.
Speaker 1: That's it's where they live. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Lizards are cold blooded. I've never got that well, but
Speaker 1: they live inside. That's just where the whole out to
Speaker 1: the out of that would that would discourage them from
Speaker 1: trying to come out here through the one of the
Speaker 1: coldest areas of our planet. I'm sorry, we're not. Let's not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to entertain this too much. If your
Speaker 1: lizard people, though, I mean, there's no reason you can't
Speaker 1: have you know, parks places, all kinds of stuff like that,
Speaker 1: thermal socks. They are shape shifters, you know. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what Hillary Clinton is. You go, right,
Speaker 1: because it's a better theory, right somehow? Okay, great. The
Speaker 1: next theory is that they were actually doing this to
Speaker 1: part at the secret of the flat Earth, because for
Speaker 1: some reason, that's a big conspiracy that like nobody everybody's
Speaker 1: trying to trick the trying to trick all of the
Speaker 1: like intellectuals, the like higher thinking beings people of our yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, um trying to somehow trick them
Speaker 1: into thinking that the world is a sphere because I
Speaker 1: don't know why, I don't know who that benefits. I
Speaker 1: don't understand this very much, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have seen these maps lately, of the flat
Speaker 1: Earth it is. Yeah. So the very center of the
Speaker 1: of the what is it circle plate? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's a plate. The very center, Yeah, the very center
Speaker 1: of the plate is the North Pole, and then the
Speaker 1: outer rim is Antarctica. And so they were really just
Speaker 1: going to you know, further secure the perimeter and for
Speaker 1: some reason keep it a secret. I think that I
Speaker 1: don't understand the flat earth thing. Don't understand it. I'm sorry. Well, no,
Speaker 1: actually I like it because um, well not really but
Speaker 1: and the but the kind of tells you where it
Speaker 1: came from though, because you know, the North Pole is
Speaker 1: the center of the whole thing. So obviously the people
Speaker 1: who invented it must live in the northern and then
Speaker 1: they must yeah, obviously, Um, but no, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's it would be interesting because it calls all of
Speaker 1: our physics, and it basically the question. It really does,
Speaker 1: and and if our physics have been called in the
Speaker 1: question that calls you know, the existence of things like
Speaker 1: nuclear bombs and laser beams and gravity and god knows
Speaker 1: what else. Yeah, and since people depend on those those
Speaker 1: those things, it's like it's like, for example, like for
Speaker 1: example of paper currency, we all think a hundred dollar
Speaker 1: bills worth something. It's because it is worth it is
Speaker 1: worth nothing. What if people were to similarly to discover
Speaker 1: that gravity doesn't exist, then poof, off we go to
Speaker 1: the space. You know. That's how it works. If you
Speaker 1: just stop leaving in a thing, it stops being real.
Speaker 1: You're right, a stop believing in my bill collectors. For
Speaker 1: years they kept coming around. I was gonna say, really,
Speaker 1: the moral of the story is a hundred dollars means
Speaker 1: nothing to you listeners, so send it to us. It's
Speaker 1: really true that that that's it's not worth the papers prints. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this recently, but you
Speaker 1: guys should go look at Neil de grass Tyson or
Speaker 1: actually maybe it was Elon musk even who tweeted at
Speaker 1: the Flat Earth Society and there he was like, why
Speaker 1: is there no more Flat Mars Society? And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: because that's been proven to be a sphere. Apparently the
Speaker 1: Earth is the only one that's flat. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. I like the flat earthers,
Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, why is that because of
Speaker 1: their MAXI isn't it? It's not just their moxie or anything.
Speaker 1: And I don't agree with I don't agree with everything
Speaker 1: to say. But what I like about them is there
Speaker 1: very civil about the whole thing. They you know, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are very self righteous about the things
Speaker 1: that they believe. And if you post something they don't
Speaker 1: like on the Internet, they'll destroy you on Twitter, Facebook, whatever.
Speaker 1: They'll even try to get your fired from your job,
Speaker 1: destroy your business whatever. The flat earthers are, you know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a model of civility. And that's why,
Speaker 1: even though I don't, I don't buy into their theories,
Speaker 1: I had to give them. I had to give them.
Speaker 1: I think flat earthers, in the Church of Satan, those
Speaker 1: are the two most civil people on the Internet, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish people would behave more like them,
Speaker 1: not necessarily what they believe in the flat earth, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be nice anyway. That's the end of our theories.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, I think that, you know. One of my
Speaker 1: one of my things is I really do think there
Speaker 1: was a good reason to go down there to just
Speaker 1: you know, stick acclaim and test a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: in the cold and It's also possible that this was
Speaker 1: right after World War Two and they were probably probably
Speaker 1: at some point they've just been transporting men back from
Speaker 1: Europe and and you know, the Western Pacific and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and huge teaming hordes. At some point, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody probably said, hey, you know, we can only absorb
Speaker 1: are so many soldiers coming back all at once. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just slow to slow it down just a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, and meantime, I gotta find something
Speaker 1: for these guys to do. So let's come up with
Speaker 1: some make work. You know, everybody said, make your proposals,
Speaker 1: and admiraalbers like, okay, let's take like, let's guys to
Speaker 1: the Other thing though, is that if they're going to
Speaker 1: if they if they are indeed testing things in frigid
Speaker 1: conditions to make sure they work, you can't take them
Speaker 1: north because that's putting you very close to an ally
Speaker 1: who is currently under great tension with you. You can't
Speaker 1: go to the North Pole because then it's construed as
Speaker 1: maybe you're trying to make a move on on the
Speaker 1: Eastern block, so it's the only safe move or the
Speaker 1: safe place to go. That's yeah, that's another way to do,
Speaker 1: but also to the you know, Antarctica actually is land.
Speaker 1: I mean you wouldn't know it. It's not covered with ice,
Speaker 1: but yeah, where is just you know, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I also kind of wonder if you know, the war ended,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of looking like there might be
Speaker 1: another war, and I you know, it almost kind of
Speaker 1: seems like instead of saying, all right, you guys can
Speaker 1: go home and start your lives, it just made more
Speaker 1: sense of like, yeah, make war, you know, just let's
Speaker 1: send them to do this thing. Let's go, let's go,
Speaker 1: just send them on you know, what is equivalent to
Speaker 1: a busy work paper. Just have fun with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is that bureaucracies have a tendency
Speaker 1: to defend their turf. And it might have been the
Speaker 1: Navy was just trying to come up with all kinds
Speaker 1: of missions to justify a larger budget and justify not
Speaker 1: chopping up all of its ships. They mean, they even
Speaker 1: do that today and they and so that may have
Speaker 1: been part of this too. So I think we can
Speaker 1: all agree that this was just kind of like a
Speaker 1: weird mission that the Navy did not not the UFOs.
Speaker 1: It's actually not an unreasonable thing to do is send
Speaker 1: a much of guys to Antarctica for you know, miscellaneous purposes.
Speaker 1: Why not? I actually think that this might have accident
Speaker 1: at least spawned another little submistery that I've seen floating
Speaker 1: around on the internet. Why the heck did Thinking Sideways
Speaker 1: do an episode on this because it's so small? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's such a teeny tiny I'm sorry, meant that this episode. No.
Speaker 1: The thing I'm thinking of, I cannot remember the name
Speaker 1: of it. But there are these weird these images of
Speaker 1: these weird objects over the ocean, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that they're basically balloons, you know, for target practices, but
Speaker 1: they're odds shaped and so they don't move and regular patterns.
Speaker 1: But there's these old photos of it. I bet that
Speaker 1: that is one of the things that they were doing,
Speaker 1: is going down there and not only looking around, but
Speaker 1: you know, doing practice, target practice and stuff like that
Speaker 1: in in windy crappy. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 1: go somewhere's got a lot of wind, you go down there.
Speaker 1: It's crappy conditions. That's good point, you know, and you
Speaker 1: probably want to see if you they took some destroyers
Speaker 1: that the destroyers have some fairly decent sized guns on something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they might want to see how the guns perform
Speaker 1: when they're that kind of condition. How accurate are you
Speaker 1: in this kind of weather? Yeah? How's your gunpowder hold
Speaker 1: up in you know, sub zero below or something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad this is like the first time we've all
Speaker 1: agreed on something, so good job we've done it once
Speaker 1: or twice. Yeah, I mean we've got to the same
Speaker 1: restaurant before we've agreed on something before. That's true, right, fair? Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: there might have been there might have been a few
Speaker 1: Nazis hiding that down there. They were probably just still
Speaker 1: haven't found them. Well no, actually, when they showed up,
Speaker 1: the Nazis are probably saying, oh, thank god you're here.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go somewhere even thank you, thank you. Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: that having been said, we're going to float on out
Speaker 1: of here. Okay insert ice joke here. It's kind of blustery, okay,
Speaker 1: but didn't work. This guy got cold feet. He's got
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