WEBVTT - Agatha All Along Episode 5

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, spoilers for the shocking, shocking episode of AGAs All Along,

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<v Speaker 2>Dark and stour Wakni.

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<v Speaker 3>Power gets spoiled. Don't get spoiled.

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<v Speaker 1>Spoiled folks, watch that, then listen to this.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Rosey Nike, and welcome back to X Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Vision of the podcast where we dive deep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture coming

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<v Speaker 2>from iHeart Podcast where.

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<v Speaker 1>We're breaking you.

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<v Speaker 2>Two episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday. Sometimes three episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes three, sometimes fall Just keep an eye on your feet.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode. In the previously on, James Gun finally confirmed.

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<v Speaker 3>Some LANs. So many space cops, so many space corps,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel. Let's we'll talk about that a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what the hell happened with Uza Mark? The Internet's asking it,

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<v Speaker 3>We're asking it. We've been asking it in our group chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's feeling sad. We've got a bit more info about that.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the airlock it's the darkest hour of Agatha

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<v Speaker 3>All Along yet and somebody's power awoke and another croaked.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be talking about which is which is which

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<v Speaker 3>is Witches and of course that big final moment revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>But first previously on Lots of Cops cast Green lanternsting,

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<v Speaker 2>James Gun spent the weekend of Joker Fallout trying to

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<v Speaker 2>take your eye off the ball by dragging you.

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<v Speaker 3>Very clever.

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<v Speaker 2>What of news about Green Lantern casting? Gun is officially

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that Kyle Chandler, everybody's favorite football coach, will be

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<v Speaker 2>portraying Hell in the HBO drama and good casting for

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<v Speaker 2>how I think it's a great casting. They've announced that

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<v Speaker 2>rebel Ridge and old star Aaron Pierre rebel.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridge awesome, watch, Wow, We'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Play John Stewart. Wonderful news. I think this is great casting.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, Rosie, Okay, great casting.

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<v Speaker 3>But I gotta say, look, I am not a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of the Green Lantons just being space cops. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it is not the most imaginative version of their power.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there is. Look, for example, John Stewart

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<v Speaker 3>was originally an architect, which is like the best vision

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<v Speaker 3>you could have for being a Green lantin your will

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<v Speaker 3>can create anything. You're an architect. Then Jeff John's reimagined

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<v Speaker 3>him and suddenly he is a military guy a cop.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not exactly like chomping

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<v Speaker 3>at the bit for like a true detective style Green

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<v Speaker 3>Lantin show. But you know what, I'm gonna give James

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<v Speaker 3>Gunn the benefit of the doubt. I believe it is

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<v Speaker 3>Damon Lindlaugh and Tom King. So you take that as

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<v Speaker 3>you will. That could be a positive or a negative

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<v Speaker 3>depending on how you feel about them. But it is

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<v Speaker 3>all star casting. And I gotta say I think Kyle

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<v Speaker 3>Chandler how Jordan is like one of the top tier

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<v Speaker 3>DC castings.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I think that is like up there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Aaron Pierre, He's great, needs more work.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes so much sense. I feel like the timing

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<v Speaker 3>of like I know that James Gunn said he was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, obviously casting as an arduous process and Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>Pierre were only went through it apparently did a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of casting. But also I'm like, after rebel Ridge comes out,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're doing this version of The Green Lanterns where

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<v Speaker 3>they have to solve a dark Earth based murder mystery,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like rebel Ridge, You're like, this man is

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<v Speaker 3>John Stewart, Like give just cast him now? So Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic casting on both sides. I hope I can be

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<v Speaker 3>pleasantly surprised by the Space Cops. But let's see, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's gonna be very interesting. And Jason, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you made a very good point that this was the

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<v Speaker 3>castings had been rumored for quite a long time, though

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<v Speaker 3>that Aaron Pierre one had not been confirmed, so I

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<v Speaker 3>think this was very much like The timing was great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the timing was very hilarious, so good. And also can

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<v Speaker 3>we mention that I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Nathan

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<v Speaker 3>Fillian's Guy Gardner, my favorite Green Lantern will be not

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<v Speaker 3>only in Superman twenty twenty five, but also in this

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<v Speaker 3>Green Lantern Corps show. I'm not sure which one will

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<v Speaker 3>come first, but that will be an interesting tone shift

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<v Speaker 3>for a series like this. So yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>color be intrigued, Colorie Green Lantern up next?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a Marquis the the fantastic first episodes of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the legendary Horror manga, and we were raving about

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<v Speaker 2>the animation style.

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<v Speaker 3>And production nig And then, by the way, can I

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<v Speaker 3>just say we were only sent the first episode? Understand why.

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<v Speaker 1>Two eager to get back in.

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<v Speaker 2>I see it in my up next Q on Max

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, we just what I found my Like,

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<v Speaker 2>my my resolution on my app was set to what

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<v Speaker 2>happened and go online And it turns out a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are complaining about this Rosie what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we have yet to have like an official

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<v Speaker 3>Max statement, and we probably won't get one, but it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like as usual, it was exacts not understanding how

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<v Speaker 3>time consuming an expensive great animation is. The first episode

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<v Speaker 3>was produced by Production IG, who made Ghosts in the

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<v Speaker 3>show and the recent very critically acclaimed Terminate Zero anime,

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<v Speaker 3>which is obviously stunning from what we're seeing and reporting

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<v Speaker 3>from Polygon and Uza Maki Usamaki is telling us this

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<v Speaker 3>virals are telling us and Gizmoto. Basically, what happened was

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<v Speaker 3>the execs saw the first episode, saw how expensive and

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<v Speaker 3>how long it took, even though by the way, this

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<v Speaker 3>was a five year production even with the time cutting,

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<v Speaker 3>so I feel like we could have just waited a

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<v Speaker 3>bit longer. But they saw the first episode and they say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we can do this for cheaper and for better, cheaper, quicker,

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody will notice the difference, of course, that was

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<v Speaker 3>not the case, and the only kind of real confirmed

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<v Speaker 3>statements we have is from Adult Swim executive producer Jason DeMarco,

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<v Speaker 3>who posted on Blue Sky before deleting.

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<v Speaker 1>It, which means it must be, which means.

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<v Speaker 3>Truth definitely true if they made him delete it. So

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I can't talk about what went down, but

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<v Speaker 3>we were screwed over. The options were A not finish

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<v Speaker 3>and air nothing and call it a loss. B just

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<v Speaker 3>finish an air episode one and leave it incomplete. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna say, I think you should have just done that.

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<v Speaker 3>It would gone down as one of the most legendary

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<v Speaker 3>like why wasn't it finished?

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<v Speaker 2>But at least we've got that done that and it

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<v Speaker 2>leaves you the option to finish it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, and see run all four wat's and all

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<v Speaker 3>out of respect for the hard work we chose. See.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate the hard work. I want these animators to

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<v Speaker 3>get paid. But like you say, do I think that

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<v Speaker 3>if they had just released episode one on Max and

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<v Speaker 3>everyone had gone, oh my god, this is so incredible,

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<v Speaker 3>we want it and it got millions of views, or

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<v Speaker 3>however they mysteriously and enigmatically judge success at streaming spaces.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there is a world where you would have

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<v Speaker 3>got to finish it at potentially that high level if production.

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<v Speaker 3>I still wanted to work with you. I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>literally watched that first episode with Oliver Ono, my artistic

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<v Speaker 3>collaborator in Ohio, at like one in the morning on

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<v Speaker 3>his massive, like seventy inch HDTV, and we were watching

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<v Speaker 3>it and we were like, this is so unbelievable, Like

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<v Speaker 3>our minds are blown. How did they do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Man like?

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<v Speaker 3>And to see an artist responding in that way, like

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<v Speaker 3>I knew I was watching something that was very special,

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<v Speaker 3>like it wasn't just my fandom of Ginginito. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just think I feel really sad for the people who

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<v Speaker 3>put in a lot of work, and especially because of

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<v Speaker 3>the nature of the Internet, it was very easy for

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<v Speaker 3>fans to quickly make, you know, comparative side by sides.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also hope that this is a lesson to

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<v Speaker 3>an exec somewhere whoever was the person who did this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna blame David Zaslav, but he is in charge.

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<v Speaker 3>People care about animation and Warner Brothers has for many years.

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<v Speaker 3>As Jason put it on a podcast, we will be

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<v Speaker 3>guesting on Soon. They've been cleaning Marvel's clock, They've been

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<v Speaker 3>cleaning everyone's clock. When it comes to making interesting animated programming,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's on Rick and Morty, whether it is uh

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<v Speaker 3>DC movies that they're still releasing that people still go

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<v Speaker 3>out and buy on DVD, whether it's Apocalypse or whether

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<v Speaker 3>it is this first episode of Ozumaki. Don't lose that

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<v Speaker 3>legacy because of cost cutting. And I think the episode two,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not looking forward to seeing episode three and four.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say that, because I think if that's the second episode,

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<v Speaker 3>it probably only gets worse from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Next up, your former Superman Henry cavill is joining the

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<v Speaker 2>live action Vultron movie, coming to you on Amazon Prime Video.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a mad Libs headline. I was like, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>really is okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Also starring in the live action Vultron is Daniel Quintoy,

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<v Speaker 2>who is Tom Holland's understudy for Romeo and Julian in

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<v Speaker 2>the West End.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad Libs excited to see what this is. Big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Voltron when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested that this is on Amazon because, if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not mistaken, the most recent and very beloved at comic

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<v Speaker 3>cons and in Fantom spaces version of Voltron was the

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<v Speaker 3>Netflix animated version that I think was maybe made by DreamWorks.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is like an unbelievable show that completely recontextualized

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<v Speaker 3>the fandom. So I find it interesting that Amazon's doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing it's not going to have anything to do

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<v Speaker 3>with that, even though I would assume that the IP

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<v Speaker 3>is by the same person. But yeah, this will be interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I like giant robots and I love space.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what will Henry Carve will be doing. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, because I feel like Vultron Like people who

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<v Speaker 3>fly Vultrons and are in this are usually like kids.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe he's the boss of the Vaultrons. Please please

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<v Speaker 3>put your critiques of how I just talked about Voltron

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<v Speaker 3>in the x ray Vision Goggles channel, because I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you don't drive a Vultron. I'm sure there's like

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<v Speaker 3>a correct way of talking about But yes, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a very mad Libs headline. Did not see it coming,

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<v Speaker 3>but sure will. I would love to see it, and

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon has enough money to make a very pretty robot,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next Agathon.

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<v Speaker 2>AGAs episode five, Darkest Our Week Ye Power are directed

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<v Speaker 2>by Rachel Goldberg, written by Laura Monty. We open in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods with various animals emerging from the mist and

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<v Speaker 2>from the from the dewy grass and dirt, and from

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<v Speaker 2>behind the trees a fox, a raven, a snake, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Seven Witches. They turn into their human forums

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<v Speaker 2>and they be in searching for.

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<v Speaker 3>Very James, wandj.

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<v Speaker 2>Lilia then wakes from a dream. They've all been napping

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<v Speaker 2>on the road and she has apparently seen this arrival

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<v Speaker 2>of the Seven, and she warns the coven that the

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<v Speaker 2>Salem Seven are coming for revenge against Agatha because when

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<v Speaker 2>she killed her original coven, apparently she spared the children.

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<v Speaker 2>What a what a wonderful, magnanimous.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, she's so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the children of the of the witches who she slayed,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they are here in their help for blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely not a mistake that we've seen happen in

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<v Speaker 3>many I mean, like, that's like the Bride leaving a

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<v Speaker 3>fox's kid dead and kill Bill one he make that movie,

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<v Speaker 3>Quentin Tarantino.

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<v Speaker 2>They're hot on the heels of our coven and so

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<v Speaker 2>the gals plus teen need a way to flee, so

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<v Speaker 2>they decide, okay, brooms and they pull up these roots

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<v Speaker 2>that are huge roots from the trees that are kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of sounds like a very funny esthetic choice because it's

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<v Speaker 3>definitely not your usual vision of a broomstick, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And after a bit of kind of cultural critique about

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<v Speaker 2>why brooms fell out of favor with modern day, which

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<v Speaker 2>they take to the air.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, important thing to note here, Billy gets a broom.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy gets a broom.

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<v Speaker 3>He and Alice, they do the little hex have to

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<v Speaker 3>have that, and they give it. They trade you have

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<v Speaker 3>to have the broom given to you. And he says,

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<v Speaker 3>do I really get one? And she's as well, if

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<v Speaker 3>you give one to me. So this is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a hint of where teen slash Billy's story is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be going this episode, because remember he has only

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<v Speaker 3>been seen as a familiar until this point. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>gone to do any magic, so.

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<v Speaker 1>No magic of his own until this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no magic of his own. And I love seeing

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<v Speaker 3>them flying in the sky. They were all very invigorated.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like very empowering for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I love flying in front of this blood red moon,

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<v Speaker 2>huge moon with the seven hot on their tails. But

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<v Speaker 2>then the road. The magic of the road forces them

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<v Speaker 2>back down to basically just above ground level, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Witch of the Salem seven appears before them, but turns

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<v Speaker 2>into a cloud of insects.

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<v Speaker 1>They fly through the cloud.

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<v Speaker 2>Of insects, ry and seeing the next trialhouse, this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of spooky cabin in the woods up ahead, they rush

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<v Speaker 2>inside and close the door and they are all transformed

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<v Speaker 2>into basically like cast members of an eighties summer camp

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<v Speaker 2>slasher film.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's a slasher movie. I was feeling very cater

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<v Speaker 3>too here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very evil dead, very Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, very

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<v Speaker 2>evil dead.

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<v Speaker 3>And super producer Aaron did mention that we also get

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<v Speaker 3>here one of the best Aubrey moments. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 3>is she not the best? But as they go down

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<v Speaker 3>towards the being taken down by the Witch's Road, she

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<v Speaker 3>does this cackle that is like up there with the

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<v Speaker 3>best witch's cackles that we've seen, and it is whoo

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<v Speaker 3>so good.

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<v Speaker 1>So they know they know.

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<v Speaker 2>The deal by now where's the clue? They got to

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<v Speaker 2>find the clue? Can the spell book help?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>The teen says teen, who recently showed that he has

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<v Speaker 2>some magic in him, If you can run room and

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<v Speaker 2>now all of a sudden like, oh, my Spellbook's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I must have lost it when we were flying. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>put a pin in this. But I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>on second watch, after yes, watching the entire thing, I

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<v Speaker 2>now wonder if I believe him that he would have Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't even think he lost it. I like that

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<v Speaker 3>read because I will say, Look, I'm a I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>wonder apologist, and that makes me a Billy apologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, listen, Billy has a lot to be mad about. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are right if he is Billy Tea, you know, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll know by the end of this step.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I will also say in the Billy theory camp,

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<v Speaker 3>he is wearing Billy's clothes. He's basically wearing exactly the

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<v Speaker 3>same Halloween costume we saw kid Billy wear in Wonder Vision.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're really giving us some hints here. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. I watched it again this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think he's lying. I think he has the

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<v Speaker 3>spell book. I think he started to realize, and he

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<v Speaker 3>really gets this kind of horrible realization by the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the episode, but I think he started to realize

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<v Speaker 3>that to survive the witch's road to survive this coven,

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<v Speaker 3>even though yeah, you have to work together, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to look out for yourself. And I think he started

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<v Speaker 3>to realize that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Agathu's trial, they realize, and they realize

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<v Speaker 2>that she will have to communicate with the dead. And

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<v Speaker 2>on cue, a wija board pops out of a little

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<v Speaker 2>magazine holder and flops out onto the table, and the

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<v Speaker 2>team goes in, takes out the Parker Brothers rule book

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<v Speaker 2>and begins to read it down the various rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't troll the dead, don't tease them.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we put a pin in this? I gotta ask

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<v Speaker 3>as an english person, right, yes, what is it with

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<v Speaker 3>Americans and wigia boards? Because you can't just go into

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<v Speaker 3>like a Woolworths in England and buy a wija board.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to make that yourself. You cannot just that

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<v Speaker 3>is not just like a kid's game in England, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it has never been that way. I find it. It

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<v Speaker 3>blows my mind every time I see it and Target

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<v Speaker 3>and I just I really love that they use it

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<v Speaker 3>here because I'm like, scare those kids. I'm like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>be doing a wigia board, Like, just don't do it,

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<v Speaker 3>guys And don't make it a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a game?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, we love our entertainment here in

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<v Speaker 2>the States, and the after life is just another form

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<v Speaker 2>of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 3>Just another step to be another place to be entertained.

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<v Speaker 2>So the team reads the rules and among them are

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<v Speaker 2>don't make fun of the dead, don't talk about death, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is also very funny. Now we're kind of hearing

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<v Speaker 3>these rumors about certain things. So that was a great line.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let each other speak, don't talk over each other, which

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a problem for this group. And

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<v Speaker 2>end every session, end every session with goodbye. And also

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<v Speaker 2>never take your hands off of the plant chet because

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in the middle of a phone call with

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit and somebody takes their hand off, then the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit is out loosed from the bottle and is just

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<v Speaker 2>running around in the real world. Okay, so they start

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<v Speaker 2>what spirit they wonder, we'll present themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 2>Something appears to take over Agatha. She's like spinning her

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<v Speaker 2>hair and and it's missus Hart it spells heart and

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<v Speaker 2>and Agatha is speaking doing it is she speaking and.

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<v Speaker 1>Through missus Hart voice?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is an oppression She's talking about? Like how she's

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<v Speaker 2>upset that she's dead and she had this very normal

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<v Speaker 2>life and it was boring.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we rude about her. That's when we know.

0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I was drinking before noon.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Jen's like, this is just Agatha.

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha is just improving.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just improving. And also I just want to say

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<v Speaker 3>I love everyone in our discord who when it was

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<v Speaker 3>spelling this out, did not think about missus Hart. They

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<v Speaker 3>thought it said mister Sharp, and I love all of

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<v Speaker 3>you because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious, and mister speak to us.

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<v Speaker 3>To us, and as as somebody you know teen, as

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<v Speaker 3>Teen rightfully points out, another reason you know it's not

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<v Speaker 3>missus Heart is because that's not her name. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>name Agatha gave her. That's the name Wanda gave her.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just not her. It's not mister sh either.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry to that man, sadly not, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>John and what just needs to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got to talk about it. And also I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say this is, I mean, we get so much

0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 3>great Katherine Hahn in this season, but this little performance

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 3>she does here where she's Agatha pretending to be Missus

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Hart to trick the rest of her coven. This just

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<v Speaker 3>shows how lucky they are to have Catherine Hahn like there.

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<v Speaker 3>This whole episode is just a golden just just proof

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<v Speaker 3>of why they lucked out with this casting and also hilarousy.

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<v Speaker 3>I realize now, after watching many incredible videos of Aubrey

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<v Speaker 3>plas are talking about living with Patti Lapoon, I now

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<v Speaker 3>realized that Patty obviously just did this because she loves Aubrey.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like a huge fan of this. The Aubrey

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 3>was probably just like Patty, I want to do this,

0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 3>and Patty is like, yes, darling, you're on the stage now,

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.000
<v Speaker 3>and I will support you in whatever you want, including

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 3>this Marvel TV show. Like, I absolutely love this, and

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I just think this cost is a blessing. But yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Catherine Hahn, she's doing her best. Agatha's doing her best. Obviously.

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Agatha is actually terrified of speaking to the dead, and

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<v Speaker 3>will realize there's a reason for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So they started again, and now the punchet starts moving

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<v Speaker 2>again and they ask who is there, and it spells

0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.800
<v Speaker 2>out death, which they're not supposed to talk about. So

0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 2>this is a little bit of a gray area here.

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Death keeps spelling out punish p U n I s

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 2>h p un as punished, pune punish.

0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Who do you want punished? They ask Agatha.

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 2>It spells out, but before it could really get to

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<v Speaker 2>the final a and Aga, the Agatha is like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, stop it, and she takes her hand off the

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<v Speaker 1>plunch jet.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that, come on, supposed to do that.

0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.119
<v Speaker 1>You're not supposed to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And now the spirit is free. There's a lot of screaming.

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 2>There's screeching of spirit Wailey, and there's chaos, and Jin

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 2>gets the kind of spirit to kind of settle down

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.760
<v Speaker 2>by yelling, you know, punish Agatha this very serious way

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 2>that sounds very sincere. And it seems like now the

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 2>coven is discussing various ways that they could punish Agatha

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.119
<v Speaker 2>to fulfill the trial. And I think they're all like

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty excited about the.

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<v Speaker 3>Proper like, wait a minute, this sounds we get to

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<v Speaker 3>do this officially. This is like and I think that

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.440
<v Speaker 3>all kind of like, well, we know that she would

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<v Speaker 3>do it to us, like if this is the only

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<v Speaker 3>way to continue, like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess we have to tire to a chair and make

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<v Speaker 2>it happen, you know. Like so they start throwing around

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 2>various ways, very violent ways, that they could punish Agatha.

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 2>But then the lights But then the lights drop and

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Agatha has disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is she? She's hanging on the ceiling like a ghoul.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you get all these various incredible so much

0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Farr references from the from excises to like, uh, it's

0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Agatha or whatever is possessing Agatha is pallorous white

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:19.160
<v Speaker 2>with the wrinkled face, very exorcist like. She begins to

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>strangle gen like hard strangling or lifting her.

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.959
<v Speaker 1>Feet off the ground. Uh.

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Lilya gets the lights back on, which stops the strangling.

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.680
<v Speaker 2>But now Agatha has disappeared again. And then a ghost appears.

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 2>It is Evanorah Harkness, Agatha's mom. We just and mom

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is quite quite quite upset at Agatha and the coven

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 2>for helping her unfaithful and treacherous daughter and to fix things.

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 2>She tells the coven that they have to abandon Agatha

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 2>and continue on the road by.

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Themselves, leave Agatha in the cabin so I can deal

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:55.680
<v Speaker 1>with her.

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<v Speaker 3>She says, yeah, I want to say, sure, okay, is

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Agatha a villain?

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.679
<v Speaker 3>But as and I love that it's We start to

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 3>get to see this relationship between Rio and Agatha. Here,

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Rio is like her mom tried to kill her, Like

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 3>her mom is bad, Like Agatha just responded to that badness,

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, that that awfulness her mom. We hear her

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.920
<v Speaker 3>mom say you were evil ever since you were born.

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.320
<v Speaker 3>There's obviously like a she says she.

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Killed you when you were a baby, which is a

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 1>terrible thing, horrible.

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.919
<v Speaker 3>Thing to say, awful thing to say. And Rio is

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.640
<v Speaker 3>obviously very very protective of Agatha. So we're getting more

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>about that relationship. But yeah, it's I don't blame the

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:45.679
<v Speaker 3>coven for considering leaving her there, but Tine is actually

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 3>very upset and Tin.

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Does not t wants everybody to stay together Agatha, for

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 2>them to not leave her. But then mom possesses Agatha again,

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes quite violent when Alice then casts a

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Knight of wand's this kind of fiery spell.

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Which is unbelievable and we've never seen her do this,

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 3>and suddenly.

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Now evanra Now we don't know if it's evanor controlling

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Agatha or Agatha or.

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 3>Whiting gets I think gets Agatha.

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I think so I think it sadly might be.

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we see, we see Alice cost this power

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 3>that kind of costs out evanor or seems to. And then,

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.360
<v Speaker 3>just like we saw Agatha do to Coven all those

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 3>years ago, as she said, she can't steal your power

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 3>unless you blast her with it, and so she begins

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 3>to steal Alice's power and just suck the life out

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.360
<v Speaker 3>of her. And Catherine again just sells this so well.

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 3>It's it's just heartbreaking the moment she gets that taste

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 3>of power.

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Whoof uh so as this has had so Alice is having.

0:24:55.560 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Her energy drained by Agatha. And and as this is happening,

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Nick's trying to stop it. He sees that another spirit

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>is like moving the planchet on the Wigia board and

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 2>it appears.

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>To be Nick Scratch who is trying to come through.

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so Nicholas Scratch seems to be coming through the board.

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 3>And this is where we have to say sorry to

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 3>those of you who thought that Teen was maybe Nicholas Scratch,

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 3>because Teen says the name Nicholas Scratch, and seeing as

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 3>he has the sigil on him, he wouldn't be able

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 3>to say that if that was who he was.

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>One other aspect of this confuses me, Does this mean

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that Nicholas Scratch is therefore not the cat and.

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Is dead like dead day, not the rabbit. Yes, that's

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>not the rabbit.

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, that's true.

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 3>She may have been keeping the rabbit because she thought

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 3>he was transmuted into an animal, but actually he really

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 3>did die. That would be interesting. Or maybe he's in

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 3>some kind of limbo. This could also, of course, be

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 3>the spirit or the Salem Seven trying to you know,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 3>manipulate Agatha or you know, we're about to have this

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 3>conversation about Teen in a couple of minutes. Perhaps this

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 3>is something Teen did to help bring her back, because

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>after he says the words Nicholas Scratch, we then hear

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 3>a baby's voice saying like mom stop, like come back,

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of like what we heard at the end of

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Multiverse of Madness when Wanda's kids saw her, you know,

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 3>trying to kill poor old America Chavez. So very interesting stuff,

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 3>and that seems to break Agatha out of her magical

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 3>power stealing. Now was she in some where she's still

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of in the trance of Evanorra. Could she control it? Unclear?

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 3>She does actually seem kind of upset when she sees

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 3>our I mean, she.

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Does, but she's also like, hey, let's give it.

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 3>She's also like, let's keep it going, baby.

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>She let's keep it going. So uh.

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>The opening to the trial chamber flips down and Alice

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 2>is there on the ground. She's drained of all her energy,

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>she drained of her life for she looks terrible.

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>She's dead.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Tine is very, very, very angry, and he's trying to

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>figure out, like, Jen, can you do anything. No, we

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>use that spell. It's not work anymore, Lilia, There's got

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 2>to be a way. No, there's no Sadly, she's gone.

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>She's gone, and he turns on Agathy. He's like, you know,

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 2>she died protecting you and you don't deserve it, Like

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>how could you?

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Agatha leaves, She goes up the ladder and she leaves,

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and we.

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Realize as she gets outside that she has Alice's power

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>sparm see the.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 3>And she and she smiles like she wanted that. She

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 3>wanted that power, and Tene says to this is what

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 3>you always wanted, right, this is what it was always about.

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 3>It was always about power. Is that what being a

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 3>witch is about? Like, I don't want that life, And

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 3>in a very fateful choice, a very resigned Lilia and

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Jen come out, and they kind of say, actually, this

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 3>is what it's about, like we're all here for power

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 3>and we're depressed, but actually there's this is what it's about,

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 3>like we want all power back, you know. And I

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 3>think that was a terrible choice.

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:19.439
<v Speaker 1>So he rejects this.

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>He says, well, I don't want any part of this

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>if that's what it means to be a which I

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want it, and I think gets very intense. She

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>comes up to him very close, and she puts two

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 2>fingers under his chin in this kind of scratching motion,

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and she says, very intensely, very scarily, are you sure

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 2>that you know? Being like, are you sure you don't

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>want the power? That's not why you're hearing really, And

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>then she says you're so much like your mother, which

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I took to mean you hate what you are, but

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you love what you are.

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, exactly. You claim that you don't want the

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>power and you don't want to be a villain, but

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 3>look at what Wonda did in Westview.

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tina is an emotional turmoil.

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden we see his crackling

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>of blue wickan colored energy, we should say, very very

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>wicked coated energy.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And Lily and Jen you see it in their eyes.

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>He's got control of them.

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>They grab Agatha under her arms and I was like,

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>what she realizes Tina is doing this?

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>She's like, wait, stop, stops up.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>They throw her into the swamp. She swinks, She sinks

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>down and disappears. And then the teen does another gesture

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>with his hand and with that same energy, throws Lilia

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>and Jin into the swamp.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>They sink and disappear.

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 3>He that was kind of crazy.

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>That was crazy.

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>And as the camera zooms out, Tina is wearing the Wickan.

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>He's wearing a very specific kind of head dress helmet.

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Which they've nicely redesigned it.

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>To look looks very much like Wanda.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>This is very nate and you have to wonder, now

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>has he seized the power of the coven? And indeed

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>was he behind this the whole time?

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Was this his plan?

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>We must talk about this now, Rosie. What do you think?

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, so, I, as I said wickan apologist. Also, I

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>want to say guys Ockham's raiser. Sometimes when it seems

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 3>like it's an obvious reveal, the right answer is the

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 3>most obvious answer, And of course now Marvel has confirmed

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>that Billy is being played by Joe Locke, who's doing

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 3>such a fantastic job and we love him. He is delightful.

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 3>And also we got to say, as this moment happens,

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>we get one of the top tier Marvel needle drops

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 3>where they play Billie eilishes you should see me in

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 3>a crown, and we really understand like ah, Billy ah,

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and uh yeah, we realize in this moment like, oh,

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 3>he's the next He's the next one. So yeah. I

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 3>think in pre pro we were kind of talking about

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 3>like is Joelle was asking this, Aaron was asking this,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>like is Billy the big Bad of the show.

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, like we, I think big bed is the

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>wrong way.

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I think big bad is the wrong way thing about

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 3>it because he is dark side coded like so many

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.959
<v Speaker 3>of our favorite characters. But I would say, like we

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>just saw Agatha kill one of the coven. I think

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Agatha is still your complex anti villain here where you

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 3>sometimes are gonna side with her and you're sometimes gonna

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 3>feel like she's villainous. But I do think that from

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 3>now on we are going to see what Billy's real

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 3>aims were, which I think are going down the road

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 3>bring back his mom. And again, I think I brought

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 3>this up last week, but one of our discord users

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>did say they thought Billy put the sigil on himself

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 3>so he would be able to get Agatha to do

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>this without revealing who he was. And maybe in this

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 3>moment his fury or his anger allowed him to kind

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>of take over because we see him potentially like the

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 3>lillan Jen's eyes go blue, so we see him kind

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 3>of puppeting them, and I think that it's going to

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 3>be very interesting to see where we go next. I

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>don't think.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they're all dead. I have a

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>slightly different take one. I do think to some extent,

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>this is Billy's story and that he set this up.

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>We open this cabin is about communing with the dead.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Episode one is centered around, through the rules of a

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>fake television show, a mysterious dead body that is his

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>mother we can strongly assume, right, So I think this

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 2>is all about him and who he was, who he's

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>looking to communicate with and commune with.

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Two.

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>What did they say about the sigul? It can't be destroyed,

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it can only be it can be lifted it can

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>only be destroyed when it's no longer needed. I think

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Agatha identifying Billy.

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's yeah, because she says, you're so much like

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 3>your mother, so she knows.

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a good point identifying him destroyed it

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and showed that it wasn't necessary anymore and allowed him

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>to then be able to take his full power in

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>that moment, because I think he was severely restrained with

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the sigil on him. Now, whether he placed it there

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>in order to go under cover, so to speak, or

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 2>whether she did it and doesn't remember, I don't know,

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but I think that it was that it was saying

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you're so much like your mother and basically saying I

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 2>know he.

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I thinkly it happens immediately, really great. Cool. Also, I'm

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 3>very interested to see how they explain Billy's existence because,

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 3>as we know, Westview, Wonder just created the kids, right,

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>and then she found out that in every other universe

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 3>apart from her universe, she really did have the kids

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.479
<v Speaker 3>and they did exist. But Marvel seems to be moving

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>away from the multiverse. I don't know if this is

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 3>going to be a multiversal version. I think that somehow

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 3>in the comics, obviously Wonder use like there was like

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>a fragment of Mephisto's soul, so we could be getting

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 3>back into the Mephisto agenda. But I think that this

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 3>is the westview Billy, Like, I think this is going

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 3>to be like a I think so Billy who remembers

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Wonder and that's how he knew Agatha, And I think

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a really interesting wrinkle to kind

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 3>of smooth out as the show goes.

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I agree, we're here and now warning for.

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 2>You potential folks who haven't read comic books and aren't

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>comic notes, here's some comic book bullshit. I agree with you,

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and I think that whatever comes next for Billy, whether

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it's in a television show that you know comes after this,

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 2>or it's in a movie, or it's in whatever movie

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Mephisto does show up in, I think a lot of

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Billy's the conflict around Billy is going to be centered around.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>The fact that he shouldn't exist. He shouldn't be here.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't.

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>That makes a lot of sense.

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 2>He's not of this realm and shouldn't exist here in

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>the way that he does.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Much like.

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Certain plot lines that happened in the comics in which

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>it's revealed that the kids were total creations of Wanda

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and that they shouldn't be here and that their souls

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 2>are stolen.

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 1>Comic book.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I'm gonna throw out a different thing now. Look,

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 3>I love Elizabeth Olsen. I believe and this is not

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>different to you. It's just that a different version of

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 3>what we've kind of been saying about. He's there to

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 3>get his mom back. He loves Wonder. I wonder, not wonder,

0:35:56.080 --> 0:36:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if actually he's there to get back Tommy

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>and he actually wants rather back and instead, and then

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 3>we end up with both of them with speed a

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Wickan in the world. We're setting up more of that

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Young Avengers. We have the fantastic Kate Bishop, we have

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 3>the incredible Kamala Kahan. You know, we're in a space

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 3>we obviously they're looking, I think, to make Elena some

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of mentor for them. We're in a space we

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 3>did meet a version of Patriot, So maybe that's something

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 3>we're going to get to return to. I would love

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.720
<v Speaker 3>to see if that was his will instead of Wonder,

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 3>because look, I love Elizabeth Olson, and I want to

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 3>reassure the discord some of the Discord members, some people

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 3>online they're worried they're never going to bring back Elizabeth Olson.

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 3>They are going to bring her back. Wonder never really dies.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Nobody dies in comics except for Uncle Ben. So I

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 3>think that TV wise, if we're talking about what feels realistic,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 3>I think that him going for his brother than his mother,

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 3>who is obviously massive superstar and we're not sure when

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 3>she's gonna come back, would be more akin to like

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the relative scope of this show, and I think it

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 3>could also be very emotional and quite a good twist.

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I will also say something that we have noticed while

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<v Speaker 3>watching the show, is they the way that the credits

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<v Speaker 3>are spaced out. It does seem like there are two

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<v Speaker 3>spots where they will add two more credits as things

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<v Speaker 3>are revealed. So I could say we're gonna probably get

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<v Speaker 3>two more big reveals, or at least two more reveals.

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<v Speaker 3>Has characters, Thomas, could you be one of them? I

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<v Speaker 3>hope Nicholas also, just want to throw out there, very

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to see if and when Nicholas comes back. Will

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<v Speaker 3>it be old Nicholas who was working with the Salem seven,

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<v Speaker 3>Will it be young Nicholas as Agatha remembers him. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't know when she gave him up to get the

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<v Speaker 3>Dark Hold. We don't know where he's been, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very in trusted. You know, maybe Billy already knew that name.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he's in khoots with Nicholas. You know, you never know. Also, Jason,

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<v Speaker 3>what are the odds that we will get People love Billy?

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<v Speaker 3>They love him. He's a gay icon, He's a queer

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<v Speaker 3>babe in the Marvel universe. We did see a moment

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<v Speaker 3>where he looked at his phone and said it was

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<v Speaker 3>his boyfriend. Do you think we're gonna get a Hulkling

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<v Speaker 3>reveal mention moment in this season? Like you don't think?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we get it in this show. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we get it in something else. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we get it in the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's a big reveal that would be like a

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<v Speaker 3>good one for another show.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, What a fun episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see how they land this one

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<v Speaker 2>on the next couple of episodes of X ray Vision. Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>we're ramping it up. We're in we're going into the

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<v Speaker 2>factory and production is ramping and we're we're pulling down

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<v Speaker 2>on that big lever that says speedier like fast, quicker, more,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're pumping out more episodes. Wednesday, Aaron and Abou

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<v Speaker 2>are recapping episodes one through three.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Arcane season one.

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<v Speaker 2>On Thursday, Rosie and Joel are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>horror with comic book writer Inscha Fitzpatrick.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kisupsion and

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our

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<v Speaker 2>executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising

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<v Speaker 2>producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent

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<v Speaker 2>and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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<v Speaker 3>and Heidi on Disco Moderata