Speaker 1: Warning today's episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, spoilers for the shocking, shocking episode of AGAs All Along,
Speaker 2: Dark and stour Wakni.
Speaker 3: Power gets spoiled. Don't get spoiled.
Speaker 1: Spoiled folks, watch that, then listen to this.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion.
Speaker 3: And I'm Rosey Nike, and welcome back to X Ray.
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Speaker 3: In today's episode. In the previously on, James Gun finally confirmed.
Speaker 3: Some LANs. So many space cops, so many space corps,
Speaker 3: I feel. Let's we'll talk about that a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what the hell happened with Uza Mark? The Internet's asking it,
Speaker 3: We're asking it. We've been asking it in our group chat.
Speaker 3: Everybody's feeling sad. We've got a bit more info about that.
Speaker 3: And in the airlock it's the darkest hour of Agatha
Speaker 3: All Along yet and somebody's power awoke and another croaked.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about which is which is which
Speaker 3: is Witches and of course that big final moment revealed.
Speaker 2: But first previously on Lots of Cops cast Green lanternsting,
Speaker 2: James Gun spent the weekend of Joker Fallout trying to
Speaker 2: take your eye off the ball by dragging you.
Speaker 3: Very clever.
Speaker 2: What of news about Green Lantern casting? Gun is officially
Speaker 2: confirmed that Kyle Chandler, everybody's favorite football coach, will be
Speaker 2: portraying Hell in the HBO drama and good casting for
Speaker 2: how I think it's a great casting. They've announced that
Speaker 2: rebel Ridge and old star Aaron Pierre rebel.
Speaker 1: Ridge awesome, watch, Wow, We'll.
Speaker 2: Play John Stewart. Wonderful news. I think this is great casting.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Rosie, Okay, great casting.
Speaker 3: But I gotta say, look, I am not a fan
Speaker 3: of the Green Lantons just being space cops. I think
Speaker 3: it is not the most imaginative version of their power.
Speaker 3: I think that there is. Look, for example, John Stewart
Speaker 3: was originally an architect, which is like the best vision
Speaker 3: you could have for being a Green lantin your will
Speaker 3: can create anything. You're an architect. Then Jeff John's reimagined
Speaker 3: him and suddenly he is a military guy a cop.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not exactly like chomping
Speaker 3: at the bit for like a true detective style Green
Speaker 3: Lantin show. But you know what, I'm gonna give James
Speaker 3: Gunn the benefit of the doubt. I believe it is
Speaker 3: Damon Lindlaugh and Tom King. So you take that as
Speaker 3: you will. That could be a positive or a negative
Speaker 3: depending on how you feel about them. But it is
Speaker 3: all star casting. And I gotta say I think Kyle
Speaker 3: Chandler how Jordan is like one of the top tier
Speaker 3: DC castings.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think that is like up there.
Speaker 3: And I think Aaron Pierre, He's great, needs more work.
Speaker 3: It makes so much sense. I feel like the timing
Speaker 3: of like I know that James Gunn said he was,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously casting as an arduous process and Aaron
Speaker 3: Pierre were only went through it apparently did a lot
Speaker 3: of casting. But also I'm like, after rebel Ridge comes out,
Speaker 3: if you're doing this version of The Green Lanterns where
Speaker 3: they have to solve a dark Earth based murder mystery,
Speaker 3: I feel like rebel Ridge, You're like, this man is
Speaker 3: John Stewart, Like give just cast him now? So Yeah,
Speaker 3: fantastic casting on both sides. I hope I can be
Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised by the Space Cops. But let's see, I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be very interesting. And Jason, I think
Speaker 3: you made a very good point that this was the
Speaker 3: castings had been rumored for quite a long time, though
Speaker 3: that Aaron Pierre one had not been confirmed, so I
Speaker 3: think this was very much like The timing was great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the timing was very hilarious, so good. And also can
Speaker 3: we mention that I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Nathan
Speaker 3: Fillian's Guy Gardner, my favorite Green Lantern will be not
Speaker 3: only in Superman twenty twenty five, but also in this
Speaker 3: Green Lantern Corps show. I'm not sure which one will
Speaker 3: come first, but that will be an interesting tone shift
Speaker 3: for a series like this. So yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm
Speaker 3: color be intrigued, Colorie Green Lantern up next?
Speaker 2: Who's a Marquis the the fantastic first episodes of the
Speaker 2: of the legendary Horror manga, and we were raving about
Speaker 2: the animation style.
Speaker 3: And production nig And then, by the way, can I
Speaker 3: just say we were only sent the first episode? Understand why.
Speaker 1: Two eager to get back in.
Speaker 2: I see it in my up next Q on Max
Speaker 2: and I'm like, we just what I found my Like,
Speaker 2: my my resolution on my app was set to what
Speaker 2: happened and go online And it turns out a lot
Speaker 2: of people are complaining about this Rosie what happened?
Speaker 3: Okay, So we have yet to have like an official
Speaker 3: Max statement, and we probably won't get one, but it
Speaker 3: sounds like as usual, it was exacts not understanding how
Speaker 3: time consuming an expensive great animation is. The first episode
Speaker 3: was produced by Production IG, who made Ghosts in the
Speaker 3: show and the recent very critically acclaimed Terminate Zero anime,
Speaker 3: which is obviously stunning from what we're seeing and reporting
Speaker 3: from Polygon and Uza Maki Usamaki is telling us this
Speaker 3: virals are telling us and Gizmoto. Basically, what happened was
Speaker 3: the execs saw the first episode, saw how expensive and
Speaker 3: how long it took, even though by the way, this
Speaker 3: was a five year production even with the time cutting,
Speaker 3: so I feel like we could have just waited a
Speaker 3: bit longer. But they saw the first episode and they say, oh,
Speaker 3: we can do this for cheaper and for better, cheaper, quicker,
Speaker 3: and nobody will notice the difference, of course, that was
Speaker 3: not the case, and the only kind of real confirmed
Speaker 3: statements we have is from Adult Swim executive producer Jason DeMarco,
Speaker 3: who posted on Blue Sky before deleting.
Speaker 1: It, which means it must be, which means.
Speaker 3: Truth definitely true if they made him delete it. So
Speaker 3: he said, I can't talk about what went down, but
Speaker 3: we were screwed over. The options were A not finish
Speaker 3: and air nothing and call it a loss. B just
Speaker 3: finish an air episode one and leave it incomplete. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say, I think you should have just done that.
Speaker 3: It would gone down as one of the most legendary
Speaker 3: like why wasn't it finished?
Speaker 2: But at least we've got that done that and it
Speaker 2: leaves you the option to finish it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and see run all four wat's and all
Speaker 3: out of respect for the hard work we chose. See.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the hard work. I want these animators to
Speaker 3: get paid. But like you say, do I think that
Speaker 3: if they had just released episode one on Max and
Speaker 3: everyone had gone, oh my god, this is so incredible,
Speaker 3: we want it and it got millions of views, or
Speaker 3: however they mysteriously and enigmatically judge success at streaming spaces.
Speaker 3: I think there is a world where you would have
Speaker 3: got to finish it at potentially that high level if production.
Speaker 3: I still wanted to work with you. I mean I
Speaker 3: literally watched that first episode with Oliver Ono, my artistic
Speaker 3: collaborator in Ohio, at like one in the morning on
Speaker 3: his massive, like seventy inch HDTV, and we were watching
Speaker 3: it and we were like, this is so unbelievable, Like
Speaker 3: our minds are blown. How did they do it?
Speaker 1: Man like?
Speaker 3: And to see an artist responding in that way, like
Speaker 3: I knew I was watching something that was very special,
Speaker 3: like it wasn't just my fandom of Ginginito. And I
Speaker 3: just think I feel really sad for the people who
Speaker 3: put in a lot of work, and especially because of
Speaker 3: the nature of the Internet, it was very easy for
Speaker 3: fans to quickly make, you know, comparative side by sides.
Speaker 3: And I also hope that this is a lesson to
Speaker 3: an exec somewhere whoever was the person who did this.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna blame David Zaslav, but he is in charge.
Speaker 3: People care about animation and Warner Brothers has for many years.
Speaker 3: As Jason put it on a podcast, we will be
Speaker 3: guesting on Soon. They've been cleaning Marvel's clock, They've been
Speaker 3: cleaning everyone's clock. When it comes to making interesting animated programming,
Speaker 3: whether it's on Rick and Morty, whether it is uh
Speaker 3: DC movies that they're still releasing that people still go
Speaker 3: out and buy on DVD, whether it's Apocalypse or whether
Speaker 3: it is this first episode of Ozumaki. Don't lose that
Speaker 3: legacy because of cost cutting. And I think the episode two,
Speaker 3: I'm not looking forward to seeing episode three and four.
Speaker 3: Let's say that, because I think if that's the second episode,
Speaker 3: it probably only gets worse from here.
Speaker 2: Next up, your former Superman Henry cavill is joining the
Speaker 2: live action Vultron movie, coming to you on Amazon Prime Video.
Speaker 3: This is a mad Libs headline. I was like, sure,
Speaker 3: really is okay?
Speaker 2: Also starring in the live action Vultron is Daniel Quintoy,
Speaker 2: who is Tom Holland's understudy for Romeo and Julian in
Speaker 2: the West End.
Speaker 1: Mad Libs excited to see what this is. Big fan
Speaker 1: of Voltron when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: I'm interested that this is on Amazon because, if I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken, the most recent and very beloved at comic
Speaker 3: cons and in Fantom spaces version of Voltron was the
Speaker 3: Netflix animated version that I think was maybe made by DreamWorks.
Speaker 3: But that is like an unbelievable show that completely recontextualized
Speaker 3: the fandom. So I find it interesting that Amazon's doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's not going to have anything to do
Speaker 3: with that, even though I would assume that the IP
Speaker 3: is by the same person. But yeah, this will be interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like giant robots and I love space.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what will Henry Carve will be doing. I
Speaker 3: don't know, because I feel like Vultron Like people who
Speaker 3: fly Vultrons and are in this are usually like kids.
Speaker 3: But maybe he's the boss of the Vaultrons. Please please
Speaker 3: put your critiques of how I just talked about Voltron
Speaker 3: in the x ray Vision Goggles channel, because I'm sure
Speaker 3: that you don't drive a Vultron. I'm sure there's like
Speaker 3: a correct way of talking about But yes, this is
Speaker 3: a very mad Libs headline. Did not see it coming,
Speaker 3: but sure will. I would love to see it, and
Speaker 3: Amazon has enough money to make a very pretty robot,
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Up next Agathon.
Speaker 2: AGAs episode five, Darkest Our Week Ye Power are directed
Speaker 2: by Rachel Goldberg, written by Laura Monty. We open in
Speaker 2: the woods with various animals emerging from the mist and
Speaker 2: from the from the dewy grass and dirt, and from
Speaker 2: behind the trees a fox, a raven, a snake, and
Speaker 2: it's the Seven Witches. They turn into their human forums
Speaker 2: and they be in searching for.
Speaker 3: Very James, wandj.
Speaker 2: Lilia then wakes from a dream. They've all been napping
Speaker 2: on the road and she has apparently seen this arrival
Speaker 2: of the Seven, and she warns the coven that the
Speaker 2: Salem Seven are coming for revenge against Agatha because when
Speaker 2: she killed her original coven, apparently she spared the children.
Speaker 2: What a what a wonderful, magnanimous.
Speaker 3: Wow, she's so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the children of the of the witches who she slayed,
Speaker 2: and now they are here in their help for blood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not a mistake that we've seen happen in
Speaker 3: many I mean, like, that's like the Bride leaving a
Speaker 3: fox's kid dead and kill Bill one he make that movie,
Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2: They're hot on the heels of our coven and so
Speaker 2: the gals plus teen need a way to flee, so
Speaker 2: they decide, okay, brooms and they pull up these roots
Speaker 2: that are huge roots from the trees that are kind.
Speaker 3: Of sounds like a very funny esthetic choice because it's
Speaker 3: definitely not your usual vision of a broomstick, but you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm into it.
Speaker 2: And after a bit of kind of cultural critique about
Speaker 2: why brooms fell out of favor with modern day, which
Speaker 2: they take to the air.
Speaker 3: Okay, important thing to note here, Billy gets a broom.
Speaker 1: Billy gets a broom.
Speaker 3: He and Alice, they do the little hex have to
Speaker 3: have that, and they give it. They trade you have
Speaker 3: to have the broom given to you. And he says,
Speaker 3: do I really get one? And she's as well, if
Speaker 3: you give one to me. So this is kind of
Speaker 3: a hint of where teen slash Billy's story is going
Speaker 3: to be going this episode, because remember he has only
Speaker 3: been seen as a familiar until this point. He hasn't
Speaker 3: gone to do any magic, so.
Speaker 1: No magic of his own until this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no magic of his own. And I love seeing
Speaker 3: them flying in the sky. They were all very invigorated.
Speaker 3: It's like very empowering for them.
Speaker 2: I love flying in front of this blood red moon,
Speaker 2: huge moon with the seven hot on their tails. But
Speaker 2: then the road. The magic of the road forces them
Speaker 2: back down to basically just above ground level, and the
Speaker 2: Witch of the Salem seven appears before them, but turns
Speaker 2: into a cloud of insects.
Speaker 1: They fly through the cloud.
Speaker 2: Of insects, ry and seeing the next trialhouse, this kind
Speaker 2: of spooky cabin in the woods up ahead, they rush
Speaker 2: inside and close the door and they are all transformed
Speaker 2: into basically like cast members of an eighties summer camp
Speaker 2: slasher film.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a slasher movie. I was feeling very cater
Speaker 3: too here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very evil dead, very Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, very
Speaker 2: evil dead.
Speaker 3: And super producer Aaron did mention that we also get
Speaker 3: here one of the best Aubrey moments. I mean, when
Speaker 3: is she not the best? But as they go down
Speaker 3: towards the being taken down by the Witch's Road, she
Speaker 3: does this cackle that is like up there with the
Speaker 3: best witch's cackles that we've seen, and it is whoo
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 1: So they know they know.
Speaker 2: The deal by now where's the clue? They got to
Speaker 2: find the clue? Can the spell book help?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: The teen says teen, who recently showed that he has
Speaker 2: some magic in him, If you can run room and
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden like, oh, my Spellbook's gone.
Speaker 2: I must have lost it when we were flying. Let's
Speaker 2: put a pin in this. But I just want to say,
Speaker 2: on second watch, after yes, watching the entire thing, I
Speaker 2: now wonder if I believe him that he would have Oh.
Speaker 3: You don't even think he lost it. I like that
Speaker 3: read because I will say, Look, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 3: wonder apologist, and that makes me a Billy apologist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, Billy has a lot to be mad about. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are right if he is Billy Tea, you know, but.
Speaker 3: We'll know by the end of this step.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I will also say in the Billy theory camp,
Speaker 3: he is wearing Billy's clothes. He's basically wearing exactly the
Speaker 3: same Halloween costume we saw kid Billy wear in Wonder Vision.
Speaker 3: So they're really giving us some hints here. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I watched it again this morning,
Speaker 3: and I think he's lying. I think he has the
Speaker 3: spell book. I think he started to realize, and he
Speaker 3: really gets this kind of horrible realization by the end
Speaker 3: of the episode, but I think he started to realize
Speaker 3: that to survive the witch's road to survive this coven,
Speaker 3: even though yeah, you have to work together, you have
Speaker 3: to look out for yourself. And I think he started
Speaker 3: to realize that.
Speaker 2: So this is Agathu's trial, they realize, and they realize
Speaker 2: that she will have to communicate with the dead. And
Speaker 2: on cue, a wija board pops out of a little
Speaker 2: magazine holder and flops out onto the table, and the
Speaker 2: team goes in, takes out the Parker Brothers rule book
Speaker 2: and begins to read it down the various rules.
Speaker 1: Don't troll the dead, don't tease them.
Speaker 3: Can we put a pin in this? I gotta ask
Speaker 3: as an english person, right, yes, what is it with
Speaker 3: Americans and wigia boards? Because you can't just go into
Speaker 3: like a Woolworths in England and buy a wija board.
Speaker 3: You have to make that yourself. You cannot just that
Speaker 3: is not just like a kid's game in England, Like
Speaker 3: it has never been that way. I find it. It
Speaker 3: blows my mind every time I see it and Target
Speaker 3: and I just I really love that they use it
Speaker 3: here because I'm like, scare those kids. I'm like, don't
Speaker 3: be doing a wigia board, Like, just don't do it,
Speaker 3: guys And don't make it a kid.
Speaker 1: Is it a game?
Speaker 2: I think you know, we love our entertainment here in
Speaker 2: the States, and the after life is just another form
Speaker 2: of entertainment.
Speaker 3: Just another step to be another place to be entertained.
Speaker 2: So the team reads the rules and among them are
Speaker 2: don't make fun of the dead, don't talk about death, don't.
Speaker 3: Which is also very funny. Now we're kind of hearing
Speaker 3: these rumors about certain things. So that was a great line.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 2: Let each other speak, don't talk over each other, which
Speaker 2: is going to be a problem for this group. And
Speaker 2: end every session, end every session with goodbye. And also
Speaker 2: never take your hands off of the plant chet because
Speaker 2: if you're in the middle of a phone call with
Speaker 2: the spirit and somebody takes their hand off, then the
Speaker 2: spirit is out loosed from the bottle and is just
Speaker 2: running around in the real world. Okay, so they start
Speaker 2: what spirit they wonder, we'll present themselves.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 2: Something appears to take over Agatha. She's like spinning her
Speaker 2: hair and and it's missus Hart it spells heart and
Speaker 2: and Agatha is speaking doing it is she speaking and.
Speaker 1: Through missus Hart voice?
Speaker 2: Or is an oppression She's talking about? Like how she's
Speaker 2: upset that she's dead and she had this very normal
Speaker 2: life and it was boring.
Speaker 3: And then we rude about her. That's when we know.
Speaker 1: She's like, I was drinking before noon.
Speaker 3: And then Jen's like, this is just Agatha.
Speaker 1: Agatha is just improving.
Speaker 3: She's just improving. And also I just want to say
Speaker 3: I love everyone in our discord who when it was
Speaker 3: spelling this out, did not think about missus Hart. They
Speaker 3: thought it said mister Sharp, and I love all of
Speaker 3: you because.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious, and mister speak to us.
Speaker 3: To us, and as as somebody you know teen, as
Speaker 3: Teen rightfully points out, another reason you know it's not
Speaker 3: missus Heart is because that's not her name. That's the
Speaker 3: name Agatha gave her. That's the name Wanda gave her.
Speaker 3: So it's just not her. It's not mister sh either.
Speaker 3: Sorry to that man, sadly not, it's not.
Speaker 2: John and what just needs to talk about it.
Speaker 3: He's got to talk about it. And also I want
Speaker 3: to say this is, I mean, we get so much
Speaker 3: great Katherine Hahn in this season, but this little performance
Speaker 3: she does here where she's Agatha pretending to be Missus
Speaker 3: Hart to trick the rest of her coven. This just
Speaker 3: shows how lucky they are to have Catherine Hahn like there.
Speaker 3: This whole episode is just a golden just just proof
Speaker 3: of why they lucked out with this casting and also hilarousy.
Speaker 3: I realize now, after watching many incredible videos of Aubrey
Speaker 3: plas are talking about living with Patti Lapoon, I now
Speaker 3: realized that Patty obviously just did this because she loves Aubrey.
Speaker 3: So I'm like a huge fan of this. The Aubrey
Speaker 3: was probably just like Patty, I want to do this,
Speaker 3: and Patty is like, yes, darling, you're on the stage now,
Speaker 3: and I will support you in whatever you want, including
Speaker 3: this Marvel TV show. Like, I absolutely love this, and
Speaker 3: I just think this cost is a blessing. But yes,
Speaker 3: Catherine Hahn, she's doing her best. Agatha's doing her best. Obviously.
Speaker 3: Agatha is actually terrified of speaking to the dead, and
Speaker 3: will realize there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2: So they started again, and now the punchet starts moving
Speaker 2: again and they ask who is there, and it spells
Speaker 2: out death, which they're not supposed to talk about. So
Speaker 2: this is a little bit of a gray area here.
Speaker 2: Death keeps spelling out punish p U n I s
Speaker 2: h p un as punished, pune punish.
Speaker 1: Who do you want punished? They ask Agatha.
Speaker 2: It spells out, but before it could really get to
Speaker 2: the final a and Aga, the Agatha is like.
Speaker 1: No, stop it, and she takes her hand off the
Speaker 1: plunch jet.
Speaker 3: I get that, come on, supposed to do that.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 2: And now the spirit is free. There's a lot of screaming.
Speaker 2: There's screeching of spirit Wailey, and there's chaos, and Jin
Speaker 2: gets the kind of spirit to kind of settle down
Speaker 2: by yelling, you know, punish Agatha this very serious way
Speaker 2: that sounds very sincere. And it seems like now the
Speaker 2: coven is discussing various ways that they could punish Agatha
Speaker 2: to fulfill the trial. And I think they're all like
Speaker 2: pretty excited about the.
Speaker 3: Proper like, wait a minute, this sounds we get to
Speaker 3: do this officially. This is like and I think that
Speaker 3: all kind of like, well, we know that she would
Speaker 3: do it to us, like if this is the only
Speaker 3: way to continue, like I.
Speaker 2: Guess we have to tire to a chair and make
Speaker 2: it happen, you know. Like so they start throwing around
Speaker 2: various ways, very violent ways, that they could punish Agatha.
Speaker 2: But then the lights But then the lights drop and
Speaker 2: Agatha has disappeared.
Speaker 1: Where is she? She's hanging on the ceiling like a ghoul.
Speaker 2: And then you get all these various incredible so much
Speaker 2: Farr references from the from excises to like, uh, it's
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, Agatha or whatever is possessing Agatha is pallorous white
Speaker 2: with the wrinkled face, very exorcist like. She begins to
Speaker 2: strangle gen like hard strangling or lifting her.
Speaker 1: Feet off the ground. Uh.
Speaker 2: Lilya gets the lights back on, which stops the strangling.
Speaker 2: But now Agatha has disappeared again. And then a ghost appears.
Speaker 2: It is Evanorah Harkness, Agatha's mom. We just and mom
Speaker 2: is quite quite quite upset at Agatha and the coven
Speaker 2: for helping her unfaithful and treacherous daughter and to fix things.
Speaker 2: She tells the coven that they have to abandon Agatha
Speaker 2: and continue on the road by.
Speaker 1: Themselves, leave Agatha in the cabin so I can deal
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 3: She says, yeah, I want to say, sure, okay, is
Speaker 3: Agatha a villain?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: But as and I love that it's We start to
Speaker 3: get to see this relationship between Rio and Agatha. Here,
Speaker 3: Rio is like her mom tried to kill her, Like
Speaker 3: her mom is bad, Like Agatha just responded to that badness,
Speaker 3: you know, that that awfulness her mom. We hear her
Speaker 3: mom say you were evil ever since you were born.
Speaker 3: There's obviously like a she says she.
Speaker 1: Killed you when you were a baby, which is a
Speaker 1: terrible thing, horrible.
Speaker 3: Thing to say, awful thing to say. And Rio is
Speaker 3: obviously very very protective of Agatha. So we're getting more
Speaker 3: about that relationship. But yeah, it's I don't blame the
Speaker 3: coven for considering leaving her there, but Tine is actually
Speaker 3: very upset and Tin.
Speaker 2: Does not t wants everybody to stay together Agatha, for
Speaker 2: them to not leave her. But then mom possesses Agatha again,
Speaker 2: and it becomes quite violent when Alice then casts a
Speaker 2: Knight of wand's this kind of fiery spell.
Speaker 3: Which is unbelievable and we've never seen her do this,
Speaker 3: and suddenly.
Speaker 2: Now evanra Now we don't know if it's evanor controlling
Speaker 2: Agatha or Agatha or.
Speaker 3: Whiting gets I think gets Agatha.
Speaker 1: I think so I think it sadly might be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we see, we see Alice cost this power
Speaker 3: that kind of costs out evanor or seems to. And then,
Speaker 3: just like we saw Agatha do to Coven all those
Speaker 3: years ago, as she said, she can't steal your power
Speaker 3: unless you blast her with it, and so she begins
Speaker 3: to steal Alice's power and just suck the life out
Speaker 3: of her. And Catherine again just sells this so well.
Speaker 3: It's it's just heartbreaking the moment she gets that taste
Speaker 3: of power.
Speaker 1: Whoof uh so as this has had so Alice is having.
Speaker 2: Her energy drained by Agatha. And and as this is happening,
Speaker 2: Nick's trying to stop it. He sees that another spirit
Speaker 2: is like moving the planchet on the Wigia board and
Speaker 2: it appears.
Speaker 1: To be Nick Scratch who is trying to come through.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Nicholas Scratch seems to be coming through the board.
Speaker 3: And this is where we have to say sorry to
Speaker 3: those of you who thought that Teen was maybe Nicholas Scratch,
Speaker 3: because Teen says the name Nicholas Scratch, and seeing as
Speaker 3: he has the sigil on him, he wouldn't be able
Speaker 3: to say that if that was who he was.
Speaker 2: One other aspect of this confuses me, Does this mean
Speaker 2: that Nicholas Scratch is therefore not the cat and.
Speaker 3: Is dead like dead day, not the rabbit. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: not the rabbit.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's true.
Speaker 3: She may have been keeping the rabbit because she thought
Speaker 3: he was transmuted into an animal, but actually he really
Speaker 3: did die. That would be interesting. Or maybe he's in
Speaker 3: some kind of limbo. This could also, of course, be
Speaker 3: the spirit or the Salem Seven trying to you know,
Speaker 3: manipulate Agatha or you know, we're about to have this
Speaker 3: conversation about Teen in a couple of minutes. Perhaps this
Speaker 3: is something Teen did to help bring her back, because
Speaker 3: after he says the words Nicholas Scratch, we then hear
Speaker 3: a baby's voice saying like mom stop, like come back,
Speaker 3: kind of like what we heard at the end of
Speaker 3: Multiverse of Madness when Wanda's kids saw her, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to kill poor old America Chavez. So very interesting stuff,
Speaker 3: and that seems to break Agatha out of her magical
Speaker 3: power stealing. Now was she in some where she's still
Speaker 3: kind of in the trance of Evanorra. Could she control it? Unclear?
Speaker 3: She does actually seem kind of upset when she sees
Speaker 3: our I mean, she.
Speaker 1: Does, but she's also like, hey, let's give it.
Speaker 3: She's also like, let's keep it going, baby.
Speaker 1: She let's keep it going. So uh.
Speaker 2: The opening to the trial chamber flips down and Alice
Speaker 2: is there on the ground. She's drained of all her energy,
Speaker 2: she drained of her life for she looks terrible.
Speaker 1: She's dead.
Speaker 2: Tine is very, very, very angry, and he's trying to
Speaker 2: figure out, like, Jen, can you do anything. No, we
Speaker 2: use that spell. It's not work anymore, Lilia, There's got
Speaker 2: to be a way. No, there's no Sadly, she's gone.
Speaker 2: She's gone, and he turns on Agathy. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: she died protecting you and you don't deserve it, Like
Speaker 2: how could you?
Speaker 1: Agatha leaves, She goes up the ladder and she leaves,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Realize as she gets outside that she has Alice's power
Speaker 2: sparm see the.
Speaker 3: And she and she smiles like she wanted that. She
Speaker 3: wanted that power, and Tene says to this is what
Speaker 3: you always wanted, right, this is what it was always about.
Speaker 3: It was always about power. Is that what being a
Speaker 3: witch is about? Like, I don't want that life, And
Speaker 3: in a very fateful choice, a very resigned Lilia and
Speaker 3: Jen come out, and they kind of say, actually, this
Speaker 3: is what it's about, like we're all here for power
Speaker 3: and we're depressed, but actually there's this is what it's about,
Speaker 3: like we want all power back, you know. And I
Speaker 3: think that was a terrible choice.
Speaker 1: So he rejects this.
Speaker 2: He says, well, I don't want any part of this
Speaker 2: if that's what it means to be a which I
Speaker 2: don't want it, and I think gets very intense. She
Speaker 2: comes up to him very close, and she puts two
Speaker 2: fingers under his chin in this kind of scratching motion,
Speaker 2: and she says, very intensely, very scarily, are you sure
Speaker 2: that you know? Being like, are you sure you don't
Speaker 2: want the power? That's not why you're hearing really, And
Speaker 2: then she says you're so much like your mother, which
Speaker 2: I took to mean you hate what you are, but
Speaker 2: you love what you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You claim that you don't want the
Speaker 3: power and you don't want to be a villain, but
Speaker 3: look at what Wonda did in Westview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tina is an emotional turmoil.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden we see his crackling
Speaker 2: of blue wickan colored energy, we should say, very very
Speaker 2: wicked coated energy.
Speaker 1: And Lily and Jen you see it in their eyes.
Speaker 1: He's got control of them.
Speaker 2: They grab Agatha under her arms and I was like,
Speaker 2: what she realizes Tina is doing this?
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, stop, stops up.
Speaker 2: They throw her into the swamp. She swinks, She sinks
Speaker 2: down and disappears. And then the teen does another gesture
Speaker 2: with his hand and with that same energy, throws Lilia
Speaker 2: and Jin into the swamp.
Speaker 1: They sink and disappear.
Speaker 3: He that was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: And as the camera zooms out, Tina is wearing the Wickan.
Speaker 2: He's wearing a very specific kind of head dress helmet.
Speaker 3: Which they've nicely redesigned it.
Speaker 1: To look looks very much like Wanda.
Speaker 2: This is very nate and you have to wonder, now
Speaker 2: has he seized the power of the coven? And indeed
Speaker 2: was he behind this the whole time?
Speaker 4: Was this his plan?
Speaker 1: We must talk about this now, Rosie. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, so, I, as I said wickan apologist. Also, I
Speaker 3: want to say guys Ockham's raiser. Sometimes when it seems
Speaker 3: like it's an obvious reveal, the right answer is the
Speaker 3: most obvious answer, And of course now Marvel has confirmed
Speaker 3: that Billy is being played by Joe Locke, who's doing
Speaker 3: such a fantastic job and we love him. He is delightful.
Speaker 3: And also we got to say, as this moment happens,
Speaker 3: we get one of the top tier Marvel needle drops
Speaker 3: where they play Billie eilishes you should see me in
Speaker 3: a crown, and we really understand like ah, Billy ah,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, we realize in this moment like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's the next He's the next one. So yeah. I
Speaker 3: think in pre pro we were kind of talking about
Speaker 3: like is Joelle was asking this, Aaron was asking this,
Speaker 3: like is Billy the big Bad of the show.
Speaker 1: I think, like we, I think big bed is the
Speaker 1: wrong way.
Speaker 3: I think big bad is the wrong way thing about
Speaker 3: it because he is dark side coded like so many
Speaker 3: of our favorite characters. But I would say, like we
Speaker 3: just saw Agatha kill one of the coven. I think
Speaker 3: Agatha is still your complex anti villain here where you
Speaker 3: sometimes are gonna side with her and you're sometimes gonna
Speaker 3: feel like she's villainous. But I do think that from
Speaker 3: now on we are going to see what Billy's real
Speaker 3: aims were, which I think are going down the road
Speaker 3: bring back his mom. And again, I think I brought
Speaker 3: this up last week, but one of our discord users
Speaker 3: did say they thought Billy put the sigil on himself
Speaker 3: so he would be able to get Agatha to do
Speaker 3: this without revealing who he was. And maybe in this
Speaker 3: moment his fury or his anger allowed him to kind
Speaker 3: of take over because we see him potentially like the
Speaker 3: lillan Jen's eyes go blue, so we see him kind
Speaker 3: of puppeting them, and I think that it's going to
Speaker 3: be very interesting to see where we go next. I
Speaker 3: don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're all dead. I have a
Speaker 2: slightly different take one. I do think to some extent,
Speaker 2: this is Billy's story and that he set this up.
Speaker 2: We open this cabin is about communing with the dead.
Speaker 2: Episode one is centered around, through the rules of a
Speaker 2: fake television show, a mysterious dead body that is his
Speaker 2: mother we can strongly assume, right, So I think this
Speaker 2: is all about him and who he was, who he's
Speaker 2: looking to communicate with and commune with.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: What did they say about the sigul? It can't be destroyed,
Speaker 2: it can only be it can be lifted it can
Speaker 2: only be destroyed when it's no longer needed. I think
Speaker 2: Agatha identifying Billy.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's yeah, because she says, you're so much like
Speaker 3: your mother, so she knows.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good point identifying him destroyed it
Speaker 2: and showed that it wasn't necessary anymore and allowed him
Speaker 2: to then be able to take his full power in
Speaker 2: that moment, because I think he was severely restrained with
Speaker 2: the sigil on him. Now, whether he placed it there
Speaker 2: in order to go under cover, so to speak, or
Speaker 2: whether she did it and doesn't remember, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I think that it was that it was saying
Speaker 2: you're so much like your mother and basically saying I
Speaker 2: know he.
Speaker 3: I thinkly it happens immediately, really great. Cool. Also, I'm
Speaker 3: very interested to see how they explain Billy's existence because,
Speaker 3: as we know, Westview, Wonder just created the kids, right,
Speaker 3: and then she found out that in every other universe
Speaker 3: apart from her universe, she really did have the kids
Speaker 3: and they did exist. But Marvel seems to be moving
Speaker 3: away from the multiverse. I don't know if this is
Speaker 3: going to be a multiversal version. I think that somehow
Speaker 3: in the comics, obviously Wonder use like there was like
Speaker 3: a fragment of Mephisto's soul, so we could be getting
Speaker 3: back into the Mephisto agenda. But I think that this
Speaker 3: is the westview Billy, Like, I think this is going
Speaker 3: to be like a I think so Billy who remembers
Speaker 3: Wonder and that's how he knew Agatha, And I think
Speaker 3: that's going to be a really interesting wrinkle to kind
Speaker 3: of smooth out as the show goes.
Speaker 1: I agree, we're here and now warning for.
Speaker 2: You potential folks who haven't read comic books and aren't
Speaker 2: comic notes, here's some comic book bullshit. I agree with you,
Speaker 2: and I think that whatever comes next for Billy, whether
Speaker 2: it's in a television show that you know comes after this,
Speaker 2: or it's in a movie, or it's in whatever movie
Speaker 2: Mephisto does show up in, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: Billy's the conflict around Billy is going to be centered around.
Speaker 1: The fact that he shouldn't exist. He shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: He doesn't.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: He's not of this realm and shouldn't exist here in
Speaker 2: the way that he does.
Speaker 1: Much like.
Speaker 2: Certain plot lines that happened in the comics in which
Speaker 2: it's revealed that the kids were total creations of Wanda
Speaker 2: and that they shouldn't be here and that their souls
Speaker 2: are stolen.
Speaker 1: Comic book.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm gonna throw out a different thing now. Look,
Speaker 3: I love Elizabeth Olsen. I believe and this is not
Speaker 3: different to you. It's just that a different version of
Speaker 3: what we've kind of been saying about. He's there to
Speaker 3: get his mom back. He loves Wonder. I wonder, not wonder,
Speaker 3: I wonder if actually he's there to get back Tommy
Speaker 3: and he actually wants rather back and instead, and then
Speaker 3: we end up with both of them with speed a
Speaker 3: Wickan in the world. We're setting up more of that
Speaker 3: Young Avengers. We have the fantastic Kate Bishop, we have
Speaker 3: the incredible Kamala Kahan. You know, we're in a space
Speaker 3: we obviously they're looking, I think, to make Elena some
Speaker 3: kind of mentor for them. We're in a space we
Speaker 3: did meet a version of Patriot, So maybe that's something
Speaker 3: we're going to get to return to. I would love
Speaker 3: to see if that was his will instead of Wonder,
Speaker 3: because look, I love Elizabeth Olson, and I want to
Speaker 3: reassure the discord some of the Discord members, some people
Speaker 3: online they're worried they're never going to bring back Elizabeth Olson.
Speaker 3: They are going to bring her back. Wonder never really dies.
Speaker 3: Nobody dies in comics except for Uncle Ben. So I
Speaker 3: think that TV wise, if we're talking about what feels realistic,
Speaker 3: I think that him going for his brother than his mother,
Speaker 3: who is obviously massive superstar and we're not sure when
Speaker 3: she's gonna come back, would be more akin to like
Speaker 3: the relative scope of this show, and I think it
Speaker 3: could also be very emotional and quite a good twist.
Speaker 3: I will also say something that we have noticed while
Speaker 3: watching the show, is they the way that the credits
Speaker 3: are spaced out. It does seem like there are two
Speaker 3: spots where they will add two more credits as things
Speaker 3: are revealed. So I could say we're gonna probably get
Speaker 3: two more big reveals, or at least two more reveals.
Speaker 3: Has characters, Thomas, could you be one of them? I
Speaker 3: hope Nicholas also, just want to throw out there, very
Speaker 3: interesting to see if and when Nicholas comes back. Will
Speaker 3: it be old Nicholas who was working with the Salem seven,
Speaker 3: Will it be young Nicholas as Agatha remembers him. We
Speaker 3: don't know when she gave him up to get the
Speaker 3: Dark Hold. We don't know where he's been, and I'm
Speaker 3: very in trusted. You know, maybe Billy already knew that name.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's in khoots with Nicholas. You know, you never know. Also, Jason,
Speaker 3: what are the odds that we will get People love Billy?
Speaker 3: They love him. He's a gay icon, He's a queer
Speaker 3: babe in the Marvel universe. We did see a moment
Speaker 3: where he looked at his phone and said it was
Speaker 3: his boyfriend. Do you think we're gonna get a Hulkling
Speaker 3: reveal mention moment in this season? Like you don't think?
Speaker 2: I don't think we get it in this show. No,
Speaker 2: I think we get it in something else. But I
Speaker 2: don't think we get it in the show.
Speaker 3: Because it's a big reveal that would be like a
Speaker 3: good one for another show.
Speaker 1: I agree, What a fun episode.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how they land this one
Speaker 2: on the next couple of episodes of X ray Vision. Folks,
Speaker 2: we're ramping it up. We're in we're going into the
Speaker 2: factory and production is ramping and we're we're pulling down
Speaker 2: on that big lever that says speedier like fast, quicker, more,
Speaker 2: and we're pumping out more episodes. Wednesday, Aaron and Abou
Speaker 2: are recapping episodes one through three.
Speaker 1: Of Arcane season one.
Speaker 2: On Thursday, Rosie and Joel are going to talk about
Speaker 2: horror with comic book writer Inscha Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
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