1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is part two of a six part series. If 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: you missed episode one, go back and listen to it. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It'll give you a good sense of who these people 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: are and what they're up against. In today's episode, we're 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: going to look at twenty fifteen and what happened that 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: year to change these people's lives and their industry forever. 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Previously on drilled, So what's happening now lately? Three out 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: of the last four years, we're asking these guys to 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: sit around and either make no money or make hardly 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: any money doing part time jobs. But they have to 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: be on call because we never know when the season 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: is going to start, so it's really hard for them 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: to work during these closures, and our boats are sitting 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: idle for three, four or five months at a time. Now. 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: When we left off, it was two fifteen and a 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: giant patch of warm water had just appeared off the 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Pacific coast. It was huge and weird, and scientists and 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: locals were calling it quite ominously the Blob. 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: Then on, there's no stopping the Blob as it spreads 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: from town to town. 21 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Maybe not quite as melodramatic as the nineteen fifty eight 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: movie by the same name, but pretty scary. All the 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: same scientists, including several who actually worked for Big oil, 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: had been predicting since the nineteen sixties that warming oceans 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: could shift the marine food web, redistributing fish and plankton 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: in ways that would cause various fisheries to wither and 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: eventually crash. In nineteen sixty eight, the American Petroleum Institute 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: commissioned a study on the impacts of climate change from 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Stanford University. In it, scientists warned that quote changes in 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: ocean temperature would change the distribution of fish. 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: This is the story of two industries, one fighting for 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: its survival, the other the most powerful in human history. 33 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: The outcome of their battle could very well determine how 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: and whether we act on climate change. 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: I Meani Westervelt. 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Smile because you 51 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 6: can profit off of it. 52 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: For real. 53 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 6: There are a bunch of parents on deepop looking for 54 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 6: the stuff your kid just grew out of. Download Deepop 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 6: to start selling early. 56 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: And scientists understanding of climate change, there was an assumption 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: that oceans could act as large carbon sinks, as though 58 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: it would be a good thing if the oceans just 59 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: absorbed the bulk of human CO two emissions. It turns 60 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: out they do and it's not a good thing at all. 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Over ninety percent of the warming generated by clean house 62 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: gases is absorbed by the oceans. That's why we're seeing 63 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: the impacts of climate change there. First. Here's Stanford scientist 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Ken Caldera to explain. 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 7: Department of Energy said, oh, well, we're not going to 66 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 7: do any more oceans research. The only thing we're going 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 7: to look at with regard to oceans is really the 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 7: possibility of ocean carbon sequestration, of storing carbon in the ocean. 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 7: So we submitted a paper to Nature magazine, which is 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 7: a leading science magazine. We pointed out for the first 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 7: time that what we would expect would happen under a 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 7: business as usual snares over the next decades was largely 73 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 7: geologically unprecedented, except perhaps in times of major mass extinctions, 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 7: but sort of in the ordinary stretches of geologic time. 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 7: There's been no time when the ocean has changed so 76 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 7: much so rapidly. 77 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: The blob created a spike an algae that led to 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: an increase in a dangerous neurotoxin, tomoic acid and crab 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: The toxic outbreak delayed the start of the twenty fifteen 80 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: crab season. It was the first time something like that 81 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: had happened, and crabbers like Ben Platt. 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: Were on edge summer before that. I decided not to 83 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: sam control, and I had spent the whole summer basically 84 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: trying to make this a better crab boat, and also 85 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: for summertime fisheries. I gutted the fishole, I did a 86 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: bunch of major would work on the boat. I spent 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: the whole summer doing that and a bunch of money. 88 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: And then right after that we had the Dumok acid closure. 89 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: You know, we do our gear work. 90 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 5: In the fall. 91 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: So I had a crew that was a new crew 92 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: that year. 93 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: Not everyone had taken the summer off like Ben to 94 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: work on their boats, but it is typical for there 95 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: to be a month or so of gear prep before 96 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: the season starts, and the work is usually unpaid for deckhands, 97 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: they're compensated later with a percentage of the hall whenever 98 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: they're outfishing. Deckhands in California make between forty thousand and 99 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars a year, depending on whether the season 100 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: is good or not. Captains can make around two hundred 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: thousand a year more in a really great year. They 102 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: all save up for lulls between seasons or months off 103 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: to deal with boat repairs, but they also all work independently. 104 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: There is no health insurance, no sick days, no paid 105 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: time off. The years leading up to that twenty fifteen 106 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: season had been especially great for these fishermen, plenty of crab, 107 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: good prices. The old timers knew not to trust it, 108 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: but the younger guys not so much. Just taking a 109 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: little break here to tell you about a show that 110 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I have in regular rotation, Latina to Latina profiles a 111 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: different woman each week, touching on everything from their personal 112 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: histories to their professional triumphs. You might recognize host and 113 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: ace interviewer Alicia Menandez from PBS's I'm On Portant Company. 114 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: She does a great job on this show too. Listeners 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: of Drilled should particularly check out the recent interview with 116 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: climate scientist turned environmental justice advocate Nicole Hernandez. She's really 117 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: fascinating on everything from how her background has informed her 118 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: work and how the Latino community in particular understands and 119 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: is responding to climate change. Hernandez has been instrumental in 120 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: getting people to understand what happens during quote unquote sunny 121 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: day floods in Miami, and she's just really really interesting 122 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: to listen to, So check that out. Rest The episodes 123 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: are great too. You can subscribe on Apple, Spotify, Radio, Public, 124 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: really wherever you get your podcasts, and it's great to 125 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: check it out. I also want to recommend a website 126 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: that does a great job of keeping track of all 127 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the various climate lawsuits happening right now. Climate Liability News 128 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: sent me to the courtroom claim. I'm at science tutorial 129 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: where I first got the idea to do drilled. Their 130 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: reporters are really on top of this stuff in a 131 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: way that no one else is, So it's a great 132 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: one stop shop if you want to know what's happening 133 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: with these cases. Okay, back to the show. A couple 134 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: of years before that fateful twenty fifteen season, permitting for 135 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: the fishery had changed and a new, lower cost permit 136 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: had been introduced. It enabled younger fishermen to strike out 137 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: on their own, and after two good seasons in a row, 138 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: several had just decided to do exactly that. 139 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: You know, you could get a low tier permit and 140 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: a smaller boat, maybe not for a ton of money 141 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: and start fishing. Was a really good thing. 142 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 7: In some ways. 143 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: We've been complaining about the graying of the fleet for 144 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: a long time, so I was really encouraged. There was 145 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: a lot of younger guys getting into it, but a 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 2: lot of people weren't as able or willing to go 147 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: through that rough patch. They had cut their teeth for 148 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: a few years when it was pretty easy. You could 149 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: fish out at half in Bay or even Santa Cruz 150 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: or Moss Lne and you make living and if you 151 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: were in deckhand, you could think about buying your own boat. 152 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: If you had just bought a small boat a small permit, 153 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: you were doing pretty well. And you know, then all 154 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: of a sudden, those of us had been in the 155 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: fishery for a lot longer, it was just reality kicking 156 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: in and we were even telling them, hey, this doesn't 157 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: ever last forever, so you know, save your money. But 158 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: it's hard even for us to do that. We get 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: overextended too. I've done it myself over and over again 160 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: in my career, you know. 161 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: When we met for dinner and more. Obey Lourie French 162 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: also talked about what happened to the younger guys that season. 163 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Lourie's family, like Ben, has been fishing these waters for decades. 164 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 6: They put all their money into going out on their own, 165 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 6: which is that's what you do. 166 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: So they had no reserves. When the season delay was 167 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: first announced, fishermen were concerned, but they figured it would 168 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: just be a week or maybe two. They'd still be 169 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: able to make the San Francisco Thanksgiving market, when fishermen 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: typically south thousands of crab, and they'd get holiday sales 171 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: to make up for lost time, too. But the blob 172 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: remained in its spread. By December twenty fourteen, it reached 173 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: all the way from Alaska to Mexico, and it was 174 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: killing marine mammals in record numbers. Dead whales were washing 175 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: up on shore, seals were starving, and scientists were alarmed. 176 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: The combination of warming oceans, melting Arctic ice, and shifting 177 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: wind patterns had disrupted the ocean's upwelling. That's a natural 178 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: mixing process that brings cold water and nutrients up from 179 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: the ocean's depths and pushes warm water from the surface 180 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: down below. Without it, algae was blooming like crazy, and 181 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: fish and marine mammals were running out of food. Although 182 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: algae mint, demoic acid was persisting too, and the crab fishery, 183 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: already vulnerable to nature's whims, was getting its first taste 184 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: of the volatility that climate change will bring. It was 185 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: pretty compressive. It's like, you know what this is getting serious? 186 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're thinking all will be open by December 187 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: first decands, who really only get paid when they're out fishing, 188 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: were hit particularly hard. 189 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: So then my crew had to go get part time 190 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: jobs or whatever, and you know, those kind of jobs 191 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: never pay like Cravin does if it's a good year. 192 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: Lorie's son Lauren, who had started fishing just a few 193 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: years before, had to move home with his parents because 194 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: he couldn't afford not to. She was hearing story after 195 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: story of people losing everything, cars, homes, boats, So she 196 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: did whatever American does these days when people they love 197 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: are in dire financial streets. She started a gofund me, 198 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: and she raised nearly seventeen thousand dollars and divvied it 199 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: up into one hundred dollars grocery gift cards that she 200 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: sent out to anyone who got in touch. Almost immediately, 201 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: there was a wait list. Food banks opened up in 202 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: most coastal towns. 203 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: The old guys, you know, we've we've been around and 204 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: if you're a commercial fishon and you know, bad times 205 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: are always coming, so you save your money and you're 206 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: really careful. 207 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: That's Larry Collins, people call him Duck. Duck started the 208 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Fisherman's co Op in San Francisco several years ago and 209 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: runs the dock there. A younger man captain's his boat 210 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: for him now, but Duck and his wife fished it 211 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: for decades. He's a big guy in his sixties. He 212 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: speaks his mind about most things. Says he's been working 213 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: since he was five years old. One of the many 214 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: terrible impacts of that season was that it dashed the 215 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: Crabber's hopes of reinvigorating an aging fleet. 216 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: I think we lost a contingent out of the fleet 217 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: of young guys which we really need to come along. 218 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: As the closure wore on, it was clear that this 219 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be a momentary or fleeting loss. It 220 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: was just awful. 221 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: I mean, we couldn't pay the bills. 222 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 5: It was just a nightmare. 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 6: We almost lost equity because we couldn't pay anything. 224 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: I mean, we took a pretty hard hit, and that's 225 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: money that we'll never make up again. 226 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: Guys with families, the deckhands had no backup. 227 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 7: It's kind of an example of the worst case scenario 228 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 7: that you could ask for. 229 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: But also they realized it'd be silly to try to 230 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: rush the opening. We didn't want to make anybody sick, 231 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: because if a taint of product is getting out there. 232 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: I mean that we needs our market forever. 233 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 5: You know, you use all customer base. 234 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: We're not stupid with that. Finally, on March twenty sixth, 235 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: long after Thanksgiving and Christmas and more than four months 236 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: after the usual start date, the season opened. 237 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: We missed all of our markets, all the holiday markets. 238 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we make our money on. Nobody 239 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 3: wants to buy crabs tax Day, and then by then 240 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: there was only the production wasn't very good. If you 241 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: wait into the year, then the crabs crawl away. They 242 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: don't bite it as good as they do in November, 243 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: so it was just bad. 244 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Still, crabbers were happy that the closure was over, and 245 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: they figured twenty fifteen was just a one off, but 246 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: their troubles were just beginning. Next time on drilled, the 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: crabbers find themselves embroiled in two lawsuits at once. 248 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 7: Well, it was warm water and no krill and high 249 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 7: concentrations of crab gear. 250 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: It was the perfect storm. 251 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: Fossil fuel companies knew about the warming of the climate, 252 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: they knew the effect it would have on the ocean, 253 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: and they had all this information a long time ago, 254 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: and they didn't share it with the public because it 255 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: would have affected their bottom line. 256 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: It goes against my little Pollyanna war. 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