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Speaker 2: You like him?

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Speaker 2: Do you know who's really uh fetishizing and sexualizing my

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Speaker 1: Sydney Washington loves your legs.

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Speaker 2: Every time I see her in the summer and the

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Speaker 1: Perd It's okay, Sydney's a free that means the world

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Speaker 2: I want that, and I'm on my knees, my legs

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Speaker 1: Beautiful legs. I work hard on you bike for real.

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Speaker 1: I biked over here today, which is how long was that?

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Speaker 1: So when you sent me that picture, I was like

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Speaker 2: Well? I brought the shirt because I knew I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Well, that just feels like, come on, Kala, back to

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Speaker 1: Proodcasters, podcasters, comedians, comedians, actors. Wait, I need to do

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Speaker 2: it is. Of course, I get that upset with children.

436
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,560
Speaker 2: Children are very fucking annoying. They don't listen, they don't

437
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,520
Speaker 2: know anything, They've barely been here. They are too loud.

438
00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,160
Speaker 1: I've barely been here.

439
00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,720
Speaker 2: Been here, you know nothing. You are being too loud,

440
00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,960
Speaker 2: Like I get that upset with them, But you're an adult,

441
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 2: like you have the responsibility to go like that is

442
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,040
Speaker 2: a dumb small person who knows nothing. Extreme it them

443
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,399
Speaker 2: what I mean? They don't know how to work.

444
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,640
Speaker 1: A bowl big. I'm a big adult person and this

445
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: is little person. Do anything about what was your relationship

446
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,240
Speaker 1: like over time with your dad? Did it sort of

447
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,960
Speaker 1: stay in this tense place or no?

448
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,680
Speaker 2: We got to a really good place. Actually, I feel

449
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 2: very grateful before he passed, like we we He never

450
00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 2: went to therapy, which I think would have really broken

451
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,879
Speaker 2: things open for us. And that is a sadness that

452
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,879
Speaker 2: I have about his life. But we got to a

453
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,159
Speaker 2: really good place where we were able to be really

454
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,080
Speaker 2: honest with each other. And actually, thank God he told

455
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 2: me all the things he ended up telling me about

456
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,280
Speaker 2: his mental health. I developed a lot of empathy for

457
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 2: him and I was able to be like we also

458
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,600
Speaker 2: it was just this funny thing where my dad was

459
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 2: extremely mentally ill, but he was, in my estimation, kind

460
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,600
Speaker 2: of obsessed with being a victim to it. And that

461
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 2: can be pretty tough language. But like I just feel like, well, yeah, man,

462
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're like forty. You are gonna have

463
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 2: to figure out how to deal with your depression. I guess, like, yeah,

464
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: we're all sad. Life is hard for everybody. But we

465
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,719
Speaker 2: got to a place where I was like, I do

466
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 2: understand why that would make you act in X, Y

467
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 2: and Z ways, And I do understand how having a

468
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,679
Speaker 2: kid would trigger a lot of those things. Yeah, that

469
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 2: you feel you're in the shame spiral of like I'm

470
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 2: no fun, I'm a sad person who stays in the house.

471
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 2: Now my kid's here, I'm sad and in the house

472
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 2: around my kid. Like I understand the shame kind of

473
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 2: tornado that would create. Yeah, but we got to a

474
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,399
Speaker 2: pretty understanding place where I was like, damn, you really

475
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,159
Speaker 2: just kind of had a kid on accident. Because him

476
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,880
Speaker 2: and my mom were not even together really, they were friends.

477
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 2: They hooked up one time.

478
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 1: They hooked up their friends and they hooked up one time, and.

479
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 2: My mom got pregnant, got pregnant with a legend, got

480
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: pregnant with a fucking icon. I gave virtual a goat.

481
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I tell my mom all the time,

482
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 2: like totally one hundred thousand percent should have had an abortion, didn't.

483
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 2: And then my dad was like, oh, I have a

484
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 2: kid now I feel for him. That must really suck.

485
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So when they hooked up friends, was he

486
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 1: in obviously more of a social place or like what

487
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: was a friendship? Like?

488
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: This is actually the scariest thing my dad ever said

489
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 2: to me. Is I remember so vividly when I was like,

490
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 2: I've always been very like outgoing in social and when

491
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: I was like fifteen, my dad was like, I used

492
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 2: to be just like you. And I was like, hey,

493
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 2: so put that on the list of things you don't

494
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 2: say to me, because now your life does not look

495
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: appealing to me at all.

496
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: And you were like, are you suggesting I'm going to

497
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,239
Speaker 1: be looking like this?

498
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: The implication, yeah, implication. Yeah, it was really scary. He's like, yeah,

499
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: one day something just a switch just flipped and I

500
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: couldn't do it anymore.

501
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, son, do you ever worry

502
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: that that's gonna happen to you.

503
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 2: No, because the switch that flipped did happen to me,

504
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: and it's called depression, and it happens to a lot

505
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: of people, and then I dealt with it. So that

506
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: was a place that we were able to get to

507
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: where I was like, the switch that flipped that you're

508
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 2: referring to is untreated mental health problems and actually you

509
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: just needed like coping mechanisms and help and God love you.

510
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: You were a straight man, and like the eighties and nineties,

511
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: like I'm assuming it was a much different thing to

512
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: try and navigate. Yeah, but yeah, the switch that flipped

513
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: was just you didn't deal with your depression and anxiety?

514
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 1: Right? Did your and your mom making the choice to

515
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: give birth to an icon? You said she should have

516
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: had an abortion. I mean I would have been deprived

517
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: of a friend. Absolutely would have been her choice. We

518
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: would have supported it, sure, girl, Why did she choose

519
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 1: not to?

520
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: Well, she already had my brother. My brother's four years

521
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: older than me. That is like the most obvious abortion

522
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 2: she should have had. It's like, you're like, what you think.

523
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Kelly shouldn't have had kids at all?

524
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 2: Girl? She threw her life. I mean not, I mean

525
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: she's seventeen, she had like was gonna go to college

526
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: and play softball, Like would have her life would have

527
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: been fundamentally different. Am I glad she didn't? Of course?

528
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: I love being alive. It's got to be one of

529
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: my top five favorite things.

530
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: I have to find out the other four.

531
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: A thank you. I've been thinking about my thank you,

532
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, being alive love obsessed, never wanted to end,

533
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: kind of addicted to it. But yeah, I think if

534
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 2: you're seventeen years old and single and like about to

535
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: go to college, would I have told her, as her friend,

536
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: like go ahead and see the doctor about that baby, Yeah,

537
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: for sure I would have. Then she didn't, and then

538
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: she had my brother. He turned out fine, But then

539
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: she had me and that was a really good one.

540
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: So she had twenty one.

541
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, when she was twenty one.

542
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: Yet you were the really good one because you're you.

543
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just amazing. My brother's like fine, My brother's

544
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: like totally fine, not a complete dud, but like I'm

545
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: definitely like my mom, like the second time we got

546
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 2: it right?

547
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: Does your brother know you think he's kind of a dud?

548
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: Oh totally yeah?

549
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: Does that get along? Not really okay? So that's he

550
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: won't watch this. By the way, are you sure, Caleb?

551
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it to I couldn't get him to watch.

552
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

553
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

554
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: It's not about you. It's not about you. No, my

555
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: brother's school. He's fine. It's just I think my mom

556
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: and I are much more alike, and so you know

557
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: we're that's my girl.

558
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your What traits of your dad? Do

559
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: you believe you have? Uh?

560
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: Unfortunately depression when ahead and took that one from him.

561
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

562
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: I like to think I'm my dad was very funny,

563
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: and I like to think that part of so is

564
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: my mom. I like to think that part of my

565
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: humor is from my dad, and my dad's really smart.

566
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: I would like to think I'm smart and like critical,

567
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: like critical thinking about things and not just My dad

568
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 2: questioned everything, which was a really annoying trait of his,

569
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: but also I think an admirable one in some ways.

570
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: And I also feel like I have that and I

571
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: got it from him. I don't know my dad really.

572
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: I think his best quality was he was obsessed with fairness.

573
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: He was really obsessed with fairness, which can be a

574
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: tough thing to be obsessed with.

575
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: In this life, in life, because life simply is not fair.

576
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: Not really shaking out that way, but he was really

577
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: obsessed with fairness in a way that I thought was

578
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: very admirable.

579
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you close to anyone from his family?

580
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 2: All of them?

581
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: All of them?

582
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: Okay, all of them. That's actually the thing is my dad.

583
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: So my mom when she gave birth to me, my

584
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: dad was like, that's not my baby. And my mom

585
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: was like, I haven't had sex with anyone else, and

586
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: my dad was like, that's crazy. Anyway, I'm out of here.

587
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: So he was like, I'm not going to be involved,

588
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: which honestly, huge fucking mood. Totally get it. I'm like, seriously,

589
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean, tough for my mom, but I'm like, yeah,

590
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 2: I understand the impulse to be like, I'm actually not

591
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: trying to raise a kid with you right now.

592
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: You're my homegirl.

593
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, we're buddy. You're gonna have to handle that one. Yeah.

594
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: And then he pieced out of my mom. She heroically

595
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: had me anyway, gave me her last name, didn't put

596
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: him on the birth certificate icon legend.

597
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So Haron is mom's last name, Okay, and it's

598
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 1: got it. Brother, and it's in lights. It's in the

599
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: title of this podcast.

600
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: She said, hey, baby, if you don't want to do it,

601
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: that's all good.

602
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: He gets my name, okay.

603
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: And then my dad's mom, my grandma Lillian. Basically when

604
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: I was I think like one, she was like, this

605
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: is fucking ridiculous. The kid looks like you like this,

606
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: come on. And then so basically they were like, we're

607
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: just gonna help out. So her and my aunt and

608
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: my uncle on my dad's side, they were all participating

609
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: with my mom. And then my dad was like, all right,

610
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: that's my.

611
00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: Kid claim him. I was really trying to. I was like, baby,

612
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: has your face truly?

613
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: So he was like, okay, he can come sit in

614
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: the house while I play video games.

615
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: You said you had a lot in common with your mom.

616
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: You have a lot in common with your mom? What

617
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: are you too similar?

618
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: You haven't met my mom, have you?

619
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've heard wonderful things about her from you.

620
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: You and my mom are going to key.

621
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait. You're is she coming to the city sometimes? Suit?

622
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: I hope soon, dude, she's the best?

623
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Or should I go to Kansas City because I'm supposed

624
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: to go see Heidi, and maybe I can go see

625
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: your mom.

626
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: It really is crazy that Heidi and I both live

627
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: in Kansas City and you haven't come and done like

628
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: a week with us both there. We need to the

629
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: three of us get on the phone.

630
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: We're going to get on the phone. We're going to

631
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: get on the horn. Happen. It's going to happen.

632
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Is a gorgeous home in Kansas City.

633
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: It's on the internet.

634
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: It's on the internet. Even, Yeah, it's just beautiful. I

635
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: will say, how do you be posting that house?

636
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: How do you feel about posting house?

637
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: You're not posting.

638
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm not posting my house. But it's even I don't

639
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: want to put I don't want my house on the internet.

640
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: She has a gorgeous home, but it's beautiful. I'm not posting.

641
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm not posting my.

642
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: You don't want an arc digest to come?

643
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: Do I don't. Actually, I don't want anything.

644
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: What is your aversion to it? For you?

645
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: What's my aversion?

646
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Person?

647
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: This job is I am very very grateful for but

648
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: it's very exposing and I feel like I like to

649
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: share about myself. It's it's comfortable and easy to me.

650
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: At this point, there are just like a few final,

651
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: like last bastions of private life that I have. One

652
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: is my love life. I'll talk about my sex life

653
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: all day, but my love life is very different.

654
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.

655
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: And my home life and my family, those are things

656
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: that I just like, I don't post my like my

657
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: little cousins on on Maine. I don't want to post

658
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: my home. I don't. I just really really really want

659
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: like tiny little areas of life where I can be

660
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: like a regular person.

661
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: Yea.

662
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: And my home is very sacred to me.

663
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: I get that because I feel like my I feel

664
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: that way about my home and my family yea. And yeah,

665
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: I try to just maintain a boundary there because how

666
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: do you do it by not posting sharing and then

667
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: people like we don't really feel like we have a

668
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: sense of who you are on the internet, Like you

669
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: want me post my house, I'm not gonna do that. Yeah.

670
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: And it is nice to get to share what you

671
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: want to share, but to have some things that are

672
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: just for you and like you the human, not the performer,

673
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: feels really important and special to me. So yeah, I

674
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: just had like I'm not gonna don't have to share

675
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: all that. Now back to you and your mom having

676
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: traits in common. Yeah, because I haven't met her. I

677
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: want to meet her. We're gonna make it happen.

678
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: There doing really good at keeping this episode about me.

679
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, I slept four hours. Thank you, somaching a

680
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: really good job. I guess who the fuck wants to

681
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: hear about me?

682
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: Me? And usually I'm usually I'm better at but I'm

683
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: because I'm so comfortable with you, I'm actually talking a

684
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: lot about myself.

685
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, I came into your podcast, which

686
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: i'd love to do again. I haven't heard back.

687
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call back.

688
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: No. I had so much fun with you. But because

689
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: this is this episode is dedicated to you, and it's

690
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: devoted to you, I want to know what you and

691
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: your mom have in common.

692
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my mom is My mom is the funniest, nicest.

693
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: If I have anything in common with my mom, it's

694
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: like the biggest gift in the world. I hope that

695
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: I have a lot in common with her. She's the

696
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: coolest person ever. Everybody loves my mom. She's so funny,

697
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: she's so nice. She literally loves everybody. She's like she's

698
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: the type of person that like makes you well you

699
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: are Christian, but she makes me want to She makes

700
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: me feel better about Christianity. I grew up around so

701
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: many Christians that made me feel like it was a

702
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: very negative faith. And my mom just genuinely loves everybody.

703
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: They can't get her not to like she's around you know,

704
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: she's in Kansas, in Missouri, like there are a lot

705
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: of like regressive kind of like I don't know. I

706
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: just the way that my mom, even as a woman

707
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: from a certain time in Missouri, Misseruri's about twenty years

708
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: behind everything, so you can imagine, you know what I mean. Okay,

709
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: but she just doesn't she doesn't dislike anybody. They can't

710
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: get her to. And I feel she's so surrounded by

711
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: a kind of like opportunity. I just the way that

712
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: she loves people is so inspiring to me.

713
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's loving, she's open hearted, she's funny, she's smart.

715
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: One thing quality my mom has that I don't have

716
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: is that she can party. My mom can like drink

717
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: anyone under the table. I'm a total I'm like.

718
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: Home, do you wish you could drink more?

719
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a lot of addicts in

720
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: my family, So I get scared of substances in general.

721
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: But it would be I think, you know when I

722
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: don't like alcohol at all. Do you know when someone's like, oh,

723
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: I just want a cold beer right now?

724
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, can't relate feel that? Oh so you

725
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: want to feel that, I can. I don't want to

726
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: feel it. I can't. I just like I can't relate.

727
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: I can't relate to that, even like I need a

728
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: glass of wine. I've heard that maybe there's a point

729
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: in life where I will start to feel like that,

730
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Like I have kids and I'm just like, give me

731
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: a glass of wine. I don't really give a fuck

732
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: about wine. I don't really care about wine. I don't

733
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: drink beer. I don't know too much about it.

734
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be nice, though, to have

735
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: that feeling of like the cold beer would just like

736
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: fix this day for me right now.

737
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: But does it ever?

738
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. They happy.

739
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: They seem happy for all of like an hour with

740
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: the beer if that, and then they wake up and

741
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: it's like, fuck, I'm possibly hungover, and now it's a

742
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: new day and I don't have beer.

743
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you.

744
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: Could have a beer, but I know I eat and

745
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: the endorphins pop off. I I love. We went to

746
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: dinner and I ordered everything on the menu.

747
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, people listening, you're gonna think like, oh,

748
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: it goes being a little like like exaggerating a bit

749
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: for the She ordered everything on the menu, and you're thinking, oh,

750
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: maybe it was like one of those restaurants in New

751
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: York that has ten No, it was a big menu.

752
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: And he go ordered everything to the point where the

753
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: server went, are you guys sure?

754
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: And I said, and I go, I believe in indulging. Yeah,

755
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: that's my kind of that's my stance. I'm like, we're here,

756
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna indulge, We're gonna enjoy. It's a memory. And

757
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: and then I went, I'm like, we can take it home.

758
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Anything we don't eat we can take home. Someone's gonna

759
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: want to take home. I'll take it home. I have

760
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: no qualms about a doggy bag.

761
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, God, bash you You were right.

762
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, an amazing time. We had an amazing time. We

763
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: parted the food, we rationed it. People, did you take

764
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: anything home?

765
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: I don't think I took anything home, but I really

766
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: I did my part at the table.

767
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: You did your part of the table also. I just

768
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: saw a viral clip of yours. I was on the

769
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: plane the other day and I saw a viral clip

770
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: about the girls eating butter noodles and they think that's

771
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: a dinner. That's not you, and I when I saw that,

772
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when your friend is you know, a

773
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: public a figure, and they do an interview or they

774
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: have a podcast and they're talking about something and it's

775
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of unbecoming. They're telling a story and the friend

776
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: they're describing sounds unbecoming. Yeah, and you're like, I hope

777
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't me. I hope I've never done that to them.

778
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I saw. I said, when Caleb is talking about the

779
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: girls who think that dinner is butter noodles, I said,

780
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: he's not talking about me.

781
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: I just knew he knew.

782
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: No way, he's talking about me.

783
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: Mark Safe, Mark Safe, not about you.

784
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Me and a butter noodle and that's dinner. No way.

785
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: Do you ever get text, by the way, about things

786
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: you say on here? Do you ever get text from

787
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: people being like hey felt like that was maybe? No?

788
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: Have you gotten text about things you say on you?

789
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: Pretty much every hour of my life really, because I talk,

790
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: I never use names. I feel like I'm good at

791
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: protecting people's you know, Yeah, whatever I'm going through, I'm

792
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 2: gonna talk about it.

793
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Has someone ever been upset with you for bringing up

794
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: an anecdote even without their name on the podcast? Uh?

795
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: There was one time that I stepped in it a

796
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: little bit, and I I, I this, actually this. I

797
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: want to talk more about this later because I have

798
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: a thing about it for the questions, but I stepped

799
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: in it. I was wrong. I apologized. Okay, I apologize.

800
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: I try to be really responsible because I know, you know,

801
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: people listen to this shit, which is it really was

802
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: more when I started the podcast, because when I started

803
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: the podcast, I didn't have a huge following. I didn't

804
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: have like a I didn't it wasn't it wasn't expected

805
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: that people were actually going to listen. Yeah, and then

806
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 2: the podcast really blew up in a way that I

807
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I actually have a responsibility, like millions

808
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: of people hear this. That's actually crazy. Yeah yeah, and

809
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: then I felt like whoa, I need to like be cool.

810
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: I need to actually not be You weren't giving you

811
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: were never doing names though.

812
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: I've never been a names person, but even just even

813
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: just I don't want people to in my life to

814
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: feel like I'm pimping them out for content. But you know,

815
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: you say, like, oh, I have this. I'm going through

816
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: this thing with a friend right now where I was

817
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: in the wrong in this way, and I thought that

818
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: was kind of interesting. You know who knows where the

819
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: line is on that.

820
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say. Are you offended when you

821
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: hear anecdotes about you on the podcast Native Nyah?

822
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: Never I'm because I also I feel I feel okay

823
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: about everything I do know that's right. I feel fine.

824
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I feel like even if I'm wrong, I'm like, that's okay.

825
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: You're allowed to be wrong to.

826
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: You are allowed to be listen, that's a fact. Let

827
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: that be the episode title. You're allowed to be in

828
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: a moody, You're allowed to be wrong, to be in.

829
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: A mood, You're allowed to be wrong sometimes.

830
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: That's okay, Okay, Caleb Le's we're going to take it back.

831
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: Let's go back.

832
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Who or what do you want to say thanks to?

833
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: I really have been thinking about this and I have

834
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: a couple that I just want to if I can

835
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: just like think a couple of different things.

836
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: This is like someone doing multiple subway takes now, But

837
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I like this.

838
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: Fine with me.

839
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: Okay, have you been on subway takes?

840
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: I have not.

841
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you have takes on subway takes, don't you?

842
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: I have no takes on subway takes. Okay, understood, Okay,

843
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: my thank you.

844
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: Yes.

845
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: First of all, I want to say thank you to

846
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: Turkey Bacon. Love her work.

847
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: I just ate four pieces of her yesterday.

848
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: Say more, play four pieces of her this morning.

849
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me why you want to thank turkey Bacon.

850
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: Turkey bacon is we figured it out, understand Like regular

851
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: bacon is good. I like regular bacon, especially thick cut restaurants. Oh,

852
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: don't play with me. If the restaurant has thick cut bacon,

853
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm playing. I'm getting in there. Turkey bacon light, easy, filling, delicious.

854
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: I just love turkey bacon. It's so special to me.

855
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: It tastes amazing. It tastes almost as good as regular bacon,

856
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: and it doesn't make me feel bad. And it doesn't

857
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: smell as bad when you cook it. It doesn't crackle so

858
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: much and pop up on your forearm while you're touching

859
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: the pan. I don't like that.

860
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: I know it's the getting hurt when you're making bacon

861
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: for me where I'm like that'll deter me quick.

862
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't have my grandmother's arms.

863
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how just grabbing hot things bare hands.

864
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: They're they're taking fries out of the oil with their

865
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: hands and then just tossing over here, rubbing it on

866
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: their mumu grandma.

867
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And going on with their day.

868
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: They've got their whole hands and arms are like I

869
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: don't know, like leathered from coke.

870
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, cut from a different cloth and that cloth is leather.

871
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Just grabbing steaks on the fucking pan or something like that.

872
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's crazy. No, we're doing turkey bacon.

873
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: It's not popping being respectful.

874
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: The regular bacon grease. One drop pops up and hits

875
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: my neck. I'm ah, I'm on the ground. I'm crying, screaming,

876
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: throwing up. So Turkey Bacon, I love you, Okay, I

877
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: want to say thank you to Turkey Bacon. Second, fat Girls,

878
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: I want to shout out fat girls. Fact girls. You

879
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: mean the world to me. I love especially in summertime

880
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: when fact girls put on their teeny tiny shirts. Oh

881
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: I love bellies and a little shirt.

882
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: Let's go.

883
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: Every ounce of confidence that I have in my life

884
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: is because of fact girls. Namely Monique Monique, I want

885
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: to shout you out more Legend Monique Baltimore, Legend. I

886
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: love fat girls. I appreciate fat girls. Rosie O'Donnell. You

887
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: used to be fat. Now you're talking about gop ones

888
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot kind of on main. That's your journey girl,

889
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: that's your journey girl. But when you were fat, you

890
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: meant everything to me. When you were fat, you meant

891
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: everything to me. And now I still have love for you.

892
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: He's of love. But that she's not meaning everything to you. Now.

893
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 2: When fat people lose weight on ozimpic, that is totally

894
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: fine in their business. But when theyve been on ozempic

895
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: and then start talking about how much they love ozimpic

896
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot, they love this one particular phrase where they're like,

897
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: it really quieted the noise. I'm like, well, I'm falling asleep.

898
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm so fucking bored. Yeah, let's get some noise back

899
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: in the room, because what you're saying is boring the

900
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: fuck out of me. I'm and I liked you when

901
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: you were fat. So fat girls, I want to shout

902
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: you out. Also gotta say thank you to sunsets, in

903
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: particular the pink and orange ones. A pink and ooh,

904
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry the pink and orange. I fucking love

905
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: pink and orange sunsets. And if there's a little purple

906
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: in it, oh my god, I love. I'm pulling out

907
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: my phone.

908
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: What does it mean for you?

909
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful to look at what else is there?

910
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: And also people a thousand years ago could watch pink

911
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: and orange sunsets, and a thousand years from now, well,

912
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: we won't be here. But if there were people that

913
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: were gonna be here in a.

914
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: Thousand years, it's so over and it makes me souse.

915
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: It will not be I would say, like either my

916
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: kids or my kids kids are gonna be the last

917
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: ones to look at a pink and orn sunset. It's

918
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: just not looking good. No, But the time that we've

919
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: had it has been so beautiful. I hope you had

920
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: the time of your life green Day, and I did.

921
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: I did enjoy the pink and orange sunsets. I cry

922
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 2: every third sunset that I see, Okay, love, I cry

923
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: almost every bike ride and I cry every third sunset.

924
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: Your bike ride photos are iconic. Can I get a

925
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: photo album of just your bike ride photos for my birthday?

926
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: For Christmas? I'm telling your bike ride photos make me

927
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: want to ride a bike in New York City. Granted

928
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: I have done that one time three summers ago. Yeah,

929
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: that city bike is heavy as fuck, and people keep

930
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: being like, you gotta get the right one. I don't know.

931
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I just went to the fucking thing and a bike.

932
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: I grabbed a bike. Why does everyone know which bike

933
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: to grab?

934
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well city bike. The city bike community were very

935
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: in the no.

936
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: You are though, because genuinely everyone keeps going, you got

937
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you got the wrong one? It was you got you

938
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: need to get an e bike or what you had

939
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: was an e I don't are you riding e bikes

940
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: because you look easy, breezy, beautiful cover girl.

941
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: I ride e bikes most of the time.

942
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Now that somebody you're doing the heavy one?

943
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: Only when I have you to that heavy?

944
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: How did how did I go wrong?

945
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: Like?

946
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: What am I? What am I supposed to be looking for?

947
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: I feel that you probably want one of the great

948
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: e bikes. They are heavier than the blue bikes, but

949
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: they're they're a pedal assisted. You're still gonna have to pedal,

950
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: especially since they turned the speeds down. Okay, turn the

951
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: speeds down was ultimately good because not everyone's responsible with it,

952
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: like I am. Okay, but it has killed my joy

953
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: a little bit on the bridge.

954
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: So then was it so heavy because it's an e

955
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: bike and I was using it wrong.

956
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: I feel that you had a malfunction, is what I'm more.

957
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: Is what I'm want when I tell you this ride

958
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: to Park Slope is seared into my mind and my heart.

959
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: I want to give my friend a gift, and I thought, oh,

960
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I have a city bike credit. I'm gonna I'll ride

961
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: a bike there.

962
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.

963
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: Fucking hell, like eighty six degrees and I was like,

964
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: that's okay because the breeze I was an hell.

965
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: No, you had a mouthfunk. You had a malfunctioning bike.

966
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't want you to write off the city bike

967
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: based on the time that you had. I'd like to

968
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: me and you go to a station together.

969
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: So you're saying, some city bikes are good, and I

970
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: should not write off all city bikes.

971
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: City bikes are bad.

972
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: Most city bikes are good.

973
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Most city bikes are good, and.

974
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: I just had an experience with one city bike and

975
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: I should not allow.

976
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: It to You got a bad apple that has spoiled

977
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: the bunch for you. Unfortunately, I'm gonna get you on

978
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: a good city bike and I'm going to take you

979
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: on streets with the best bike lanes. That's the other thing.

980
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: We're not biking on any old street.

981
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.

982
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: We're staying on the ones with really good lanes. Okay,

983
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: We're getting on Willoughby in Brooklyn.

984
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: That's where we will.

985
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Be one way street quiet, a lot of it shut

986
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: down to traffic, bike lane. That's the kind of shit

987
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: I like to see.

988
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: As that shit. I like, can we do this next

989
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: week or something? Are you okay?

990
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 2: I'm moving next week and we can do a thing again. Yeah,

991
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: I can't stop.

992
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: Is because the mold.

993
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the mold. Okay, I shouted out.

994
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: But you shouted out fat girls girls. You shouted out

995
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: sunsets about turkey bacon.

996
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh.

997
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand, Andre three stacks.

998
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: Andre three stacks specifically for his verse on party.

999
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: We liked himpun Hey, hey.

1000
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: A thousand degrees. He is so I love him.

1001
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: He's amazing. I just went to an event. I wore

1002
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: an Andre three thousand shirt yesterday. If only I have

1003
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: worn it to the podcast today. He has a film

1004
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: a silent film. And yes, yes, he has a silent film.

1005
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: I think it's called Seven Pianos. Yeah, and a sketch

1006
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: maybe is the name of the film. He has a

1007
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: silent film and you should watch it. And basically I

1008
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: took Q and A with him last week at the

1009
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: drawing center.

1010
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1011
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: It was incredible. He's so cool. He said, he's obsessed

1012
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: with ants. Yeah, and that's kind of what like the

1013
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: inspiration sort of the film was born of. He's obsessed

1014
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: with watching YouTube's about ants and thinks that humans can

1015
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: learn a lot from ants. And I'm like facts, He's.

1016
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: One of our true great living artists. He's an artist

1017
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: to his bones. You can't peg, you can't put him

1018
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: in a box. He really is Andre three thousand. I

1019
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: love his mind. I think he's so clear and connected

1020
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: to the source, and I just love I love him

1021
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: and he's so unique and special. I really, really really

1022
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: love And I was thinking about it on the way

1023
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: over here because I was listening to Party and I

1024
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: love that verse. But I love his verse on everything.

1025
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: I just love him. Yeah, I just love it.

1026
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: Incredible. How did you when it was announced that he

1027
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: was dropping another album after it'd been x number of years,

1028
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: a long time. Were you in anticipation and how did

1029
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: you feel once you heard it was the Flute?

1030
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: So the Flute Album was tough for me, not because

1031
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: it isn't beautiful, sure, but because of course I wanted

1032
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: Andre three thousand, vote like I wanted like I wanted

1033
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: Andre three thousand, and I got Andre three thousand. But

1034
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: this is actually something I love about him, is he

1035
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: he does what feels I think artistically fulfilling to him

1036
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: without regard for what's expected from him. And I that's liberty,

1037
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: that's liberty, and that's actually bravery, that's really deep bravery,

1038
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: and we're actually lacking that so severely and distinctly in

1039
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: the culture right now. The culture right now is like

1040
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: completely cowardly and manufactured, an algorithmic and just like a

1041
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: lot of the culture right now is boring losers. And

1042
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: so when you have someone who will make brave, interesting choices,

1043
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: even if I'm not gonna listen to the Flute album

1044
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: every day, I really love and respect it.

1045
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: You know what, that's a perfect answer, and it is

1046
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: PC PC politically correct, politically correct. But I believe you,

1047
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: I the but you because your acknowledged the fluid album

1048
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: was tough for you, but he did what he wanted

1049
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: and that is admirable.

1050
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: That's huge and thank god an artist doing what they want. Yeah,

1051
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: thank god for an artist doing what they want. Thank

1052
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: God is not another artist giving us whatever they can

1053
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: cash in on the most.

1054
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also something that's on my mind while we're

1055
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: on the topic of music is last summer when we

1056
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: were shooting Little Brother, you asked the group it was

1057
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: me you, Sherry ben favorite song on Justin Bieber's what's

1058
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: the name of the US swag Swag or swag too?

1059
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it had just come out.

1060
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it had just come out, and I said Zuma House.

1061
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1062
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: I just want to amend my answer because I hadn't

1063
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: listened to the whole album, and I wasn't saying zoom

1064
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: my House because I was like trying to seem cool

1065
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: and like I had listened to the whole album. I

1066
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: sadly listened to albums in a very like piecemeal manner

1067
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm just taking little bites here and

1068
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: their nibbles here and there. Yeah, rarely all at once. Okay,

1069
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: So I hadn't given Yukon a proper listen and I've

1070
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: thought about this so much that I just need to

1071
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: tell you. I'm amending my answer to yukon wow and

1072
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: what did you say at the time? Do you remember?

1073
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: Well? It's funny because I believe at the time I

1074
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: probably would have said Daisy's you did say Daisy's yes,

1075
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: And now I would amend mine as well to say

1076
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: devotion devotion. Devotion has really really really come into play

1077
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: for me, and I can't I Swag one and Swag

1078
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: two have gotten very jumbled up to me. I can't

1079
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: remember what's on what yeah? But also I ain't you

1080
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: love song? Baby? Do you know that one come on voice?

1081
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Yes?

1082
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: On love song? I think it's called love song it

1083
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: might be, and that one is I'm almost certain on

1084
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: Swag two, but that one has come big into play

1085
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: with me.

1086
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: Do you I pop in my shit?

1087
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: I don't know that song.

1088
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: It's it's justin Bieber. It's on Swag one or Swag Too.

1089
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know which swag is.

1090
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: It's on yesh it has not.

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00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: It is on Swag one or Swag Too. Like I'm

1092
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna just confirm which of the swag and confirm.

1093
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: It and why you do. I'll just tell the listeners.

1094
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: Something I loved.

1095
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: Swag uh for Justin. I thought it was a really

1096
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: great album for this point in his career. Those Drew

1097
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: Ski in herwards pissed me the fuck off?

1098
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Oh did they?

1099
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: Those Drew Sky innerwards pissed.

1100
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Me the fun Do you feel like it messed with Why?

1101
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: Why it messed with the album? I don't. I don't

1102
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: want clowns like I don't want comedians in the mix

1103
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: of the record. I don't want to hear from Drew

1104
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: ski is very funny, and I'm a huge fan of

1105
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: Drew Skis. I do not want him or any other

1106
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: funny person doing little talkbacks in between the songs.

1107
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: I used to love them on old albums like when,

1108
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: like when I was in high school, like there I

1109
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: think of I think College Dropout had a bunch of

1110
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: skits and I think d Ray was doing them. I

1111
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: thought it was very funny, but I do think it

1112
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: suited that album, and I feel like since then, it's

1113
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: happened so frequently with albums where it's like now there's

1114
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: a comedian doing a little a bit in between I

1115
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: hear you on this.

1116
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: I want my interludes to be artistically driven. I want

1117
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: my interludes to be miseducation of Lauren Hill.

1118
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: I've heard so many people try to mimic that. There

1119
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: are albums I've heard where I'm like, they're trying to

1120
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: do the miseducation of Lauren Hill. How do you define love? Moment? Hello, Icon,

1121
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: talk about it. Icon.

1122
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: Let's be very clear that Warren Hill put out one

1123
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: solo album, and the sons and daughters that she has

1124
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: are innumerable.

1125
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Innumerable, more than the sand at the beach, more.

1126
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Than the grains of sand at the beach. Innumerable sons

1127
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: and daughters. Yes, And let's talk about another artistic approach

1128
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: to interludes. Frank Oshan Bond, Oh yeah, now, this is

1129
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: an artistic approach to interludes. Absolutely beautiful. Drew Ski talking

1130
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: about whether or not Justin Bieber is a little bit

1131
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: black and should have some black and Miles. I'm gonna

1132
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: skip it.

1133
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: You know, I must have skipped those interludes so hard.

1134
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with any of them. And if you

1135
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: I've listened to so much, I must be skipping mindlessly

1136
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: because I tell you, I'm like, don't know. The interludes

1137
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: never really hurt them And by the way, popping my

1138
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: shit is swagged too, pink pink cover, like black cover,

1139
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: pink cut.

1140
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Black cover, pink cover. Yeah, Jusky interludes on swag. There

1141
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: was also one of him like kind of comedically dissecting

1142
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: Justin's like viral standing on business moment. But I was like,

1143
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: this cheapens the work. Yeah, this record is beautiful.

1144
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: It's stunning. And also I've rewatched Justin's Yukon performance at

1145
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: the Grammys a thousand times.

1146
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: It's like, balm, is that where he was in his boxers?

1147
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's that That's not why I'm That's not

1148
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: why I'm watching Justin as a child. To me man,

1149
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: he is a girl man, which is what he was

1150
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: trying to tell paparazzi. So of me, I do need

1151
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: to listen to the dru Ski skit so I could

1152
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: hear that dissection, because I'm like.

1153
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: Oh, paparazzi your scum. They all go to hell, you'd

1154
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: think so, paparazzi and Ice agents all hell immediately.

1155
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: Anyone else you think goes to hell?

1156
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 2: Off off rip, all Ice agents, all paparazzi, all people

1157
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: who park in the claim. Who else goes to hell?

1158
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: Off rip?

1159
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: This is if Caleb was God go.

1160
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: We be grateful. Y, we better all be grateful that

1161
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm not. You want to talk about jealous and vengeful.

1162
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: You haven't seen it yet. No, I think those are

1163
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: a few groups of people who all go to hell. Okay,

1164
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: I don't believe in hell.

1165
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of you, don't, do you believe in heaven.

1166
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: I've been experimenting with the idea recently that everybody goes

1167
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: to heaven. Okay, yeah, and it's been really nice for me.

1168
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it. What do you think of

1169
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: the notion that, no, that's that's a crazy question. Heaven

1170
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: is on earth? Uh?

1171
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: The notion that we are jobs are to create heaven

1172
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: on earth, or that heaven is a place on earth.

1173
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Another song heaven, heaven is a place on earth.

1174
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: I find it challenging because life on earth is hell

1175
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: for so many undeserving people. I don't so I find

1176
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: that really tough. And I find my own love for

1177
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: life sometimes to be complicated because life is so bad

1178
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: for so many people who don't deserve it. So I

1179
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: find that really tough. And I think that's why the

1180
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: idea of a like a afterlife reward for goodness is

1181
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: so appealing to a lot of people because their lot

1182
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: in life is so unfair, and my Latin life is

1183
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: also unfair, but in a positive way. It's not fair

1184
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: that I have the life that I do, but I'm

1185
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: obviously quite pleased with it. I think that what I've

1186
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: been experimenting with recently in my mind is that maybe

1187
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: everyone goes to heaven, and maybe when you get to

1188
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: heaven you come to a perfect understanding of what happened

1189
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: on Earth during your time there, and that if you

1190
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: were bad to people, if you did bad things, if

1191
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: you mistreated people, if you were callous, you know, evil,

1192
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: that you are miserable in heaven because you have to

1193
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: live with the weight of what you did while you

1194
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: were on Earth, and that it actually is a perfect

1195
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: place and your being there makes you very guilty, and

1196
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: that in that way it would function as hell for you,

1197
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: but it's not burning in a lake of fire for eternity.

1198
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: That instead, it's like you're in a good place and

1199
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: the universe is beautiful and and just. But yeah, you

1200
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: feel very, very, very bad the whole time you're there

1201
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: because of the way you behaved.

1202
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, low key. If God Caleb

1203
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: was God for real, you know I am mad at that.

1204
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: That's yeah.

1205
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: I would love to talk with God. If God, God,

1206
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: if you can hear me, if you want to reach out,

1207
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: we could say something.

1208
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: God, just my God listens to the podcast.

1209
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: If God listens to any podcast, I know that it's yours.

1210
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: I know that it's your imagine. I'm certain of that.

1211
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: Imagine. God's listening to Thanks Dead God.

1212
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: God's like God's like on the couch with like a

1213
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: fuzzy blanket.

1214
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: Okay, you said speaking of jealous and vengeful, which made

1215
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: me think about what you might be like in relationships.

1216
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: What would you say your flaw in relationships is and

1217
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: as your friend, I feel like I know what you

1218
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: might say, but what would you say?

1219
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've you've got a pretty front seat to my romance,

1220
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: my romantic life. What do I think my flaw is

1221
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: in relationships? Hmmm? I like a very separate life. I

1222
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: think I'm bad at giving up things I want to

1223
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: do for my partner. I don't want to not see

1224
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: my friends to go see your friends type of thing,

1225
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: and I do. It's something I've really worked on. I

1226
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: don't think that's a positive quality, but that's the thing

1227
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: I struggle with. What did you think I was going

1228
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: to say.

1229
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: I thought you might. No. No, I thought you might say, like,

1230
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: it's not unlike what you said, but career prioritizing career

1231
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: maybe over the relationship. I don't think that that's because

1232
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: I relate to the way you engage with your career

1233
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and your passion for it and for showing up to

1234
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: do things when you want to do them. Yeah, but

1235
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: I know that it can be hard in a relationship

1236
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: to like to negotiate like, Okay, how much of this

1237
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: am I sacrificing? How much of my time am I

1238
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: devoting to partnership? How much am I going to devote

1239
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: to career?

1240
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, my job is going to be at the center

1241
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: of the thing. I don't oftentimes control. I can't cancel

1242
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: a tour because you want me to. I can't change

1243
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: the shoot of a movie because you'd like me to

1244
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: be somewhere. So my job, whether either of us likes it,

1245
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: is going to be at the center of the thing.

1246
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: That's just how it is, at least for now. And

1247
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: a lot of are a lot of Yeah, a lot

1248
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: of my life is just directed by job. What do

1249
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: you think you're what is your big fun relationships?

1250
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I think I struggle to be in partnership because I

1251
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: was raised by a single mom who just got it done.

1252
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I think I have a hard time

1253
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: being like I don't have a up close and personal

1254
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: model like lots of people in my life aunts and uncles, married,

1255
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: my grandparents, but I don't have this like up close

1256
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: and personal, day to day model of what it looks like.

1257
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: And then some of the relationships I do see people

1258
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: I love, like not even elders in my family, I'm like, well,

1259
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: that seems like a mess, and that seems like that

1260
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: person's sacrificing more than is appropriate, and I don't ever

1261
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: want to be that. So it's for me the negotiation

1262
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: of like how to integrate someone properly into your exist

1263
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: very full life and world.

1264
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, my ex and I talked about this a lot,

1265
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: and it's an understanding that I was really glad that

1266
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: we had because it felt like a really beautiful connection

1267
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: and agreement that I was like, I actually don't need you,

1268
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: and I don't want to need you. I actually think

1269
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: it's not romantic to need your partner. When people are

1270
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: like I don't know what I would do without you,

1271
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: I do know what I would do without you. I

1272
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: would have a big, beautiful, full life I did before you,

1273
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: and I would after this. I just I want you, Yes,

1274
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: I actually want you. And I think that's so beautiful.

1275
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: I think that's way cooler than needing you. I actually

1276
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: think needing you is this like I don't know. It's

1277
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: just I think so many of the people in my

1278
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: life growing up that needed their partner. It was like

1279
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: a financial need or like an emotional deficiency that without you,

1280
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: I would like fall apart. I will not fall apart

1281
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: without you. I would be very sad. Yea, But I

1282
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: want you, and I think that's so much more romantic

1283
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: than needing you. Yeah, but a lot of people don't

1284
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: feel the same way.

1285
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I think that is romantic. I think that's incredibly romantic.

1286
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: That feels imagine someone being like me. Being with you

1287
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: is a choice and not a function of any deficiency

1288
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: I feel I have in my life, or desperation or insecurity.

1289
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm happy to be here? Are you? Anxiously

1290
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: which I don't think the answer avoidant towards secure, securely attached.

1291
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't know those things. What anxiously avoidant is when

1292
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: you push.

1293
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: Anxiously yeah, it is like. Anxious attachment is like I

1294
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: need answers. I want to be close to you. If

1295
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: I sense you pulling away from me, I'm freaking out.

1296
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out, and I need us

1297
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: to be close. Securely attached is sort of what you described.

1298
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: You know they like I want to want you, and

1299
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: like you can you understand your partner is their own person.

1300
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: You understand you are your own person, responsible for yourself.

1301
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: And avoidant is a little like when intimacy is happening

1302
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: and budding, you tend to get a little like, oh,

1303
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: I need to step away.

1304
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: Anxious, secure and avoidant are the options. Yes, you want

1305
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: to call my ex really quick?

1306
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: Let's call your ex? Is this who I think it is? Okay?

1307
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: He might not answer. He has a job. Okay, one

1308
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: of the coolest things about him.

1309
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: I thought you were pulling out your phone like we're

1310
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: going to deep dude, the answers.

1311
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: I know this is sick.

1312
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: You might get a callback, so leave it on the table.

1313
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: He'll call me backward coward.

1314
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: Let me.

1315
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: Let me text him. I just had dinner with him

1316
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: last night. Dude, I'm on a podcast and I need

1317
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: to know if you think I'm anxious, secure or avoidant

1318
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: or avoidant? Le's see what he text back. Okay, that's

1319
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: really funny. I don't know which one I am. I

1320
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: it would be really nice to be secure it It

1321
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: would be so nice.

1322
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: That sounds completely that's a very healthy per cuban.

1323
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, I'm trying to think. I don't know.

1324
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: You're honest, Michelle.

1325
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: What do you think? Michelle? Come on, you've been prepared

1326
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 2: for these things. I keep asking Michelle to answer questions

1327
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: about me.

1328
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michelle, what do we think?

1329
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,240
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1330
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: I would say it like it was secure? It's secure,

1331
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: anxious or avoidant. It's definitely between.

1332
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: Nice because that's.

1333
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Okay, secure leaning, so between secure and avoidant leaning secure.

1334
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: I do feel that way. I won't text me back.

1335
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: This is sick.

1336
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, why why stay friends with your ex?

1337
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: They're not going to ask about I want to know

1338
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: your take on that.

1339
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: Why stay friends with your ex? Oh?

1340
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: I love him so much. He's one of my favorite people.

1341
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: We just didn't work out romantically. I think it's an

1342
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: incredible human being. I want to be his friend forever.

1343
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: I just yeah, relationship wise, something wasn't clicking. I'm friends

1344
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: with pretty much everyone I've ever dated.

1345
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever hope, especially in the case of like

1346
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: one of the coolest people you've ever met, who you're

1347
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: you just think is amazing you want in your life forever.

1348
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: Is any part of you hope that maybe we could

1349
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: get together against one day?

1350
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a total Yeah, I think there's a

1351
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: total world for that. I think like love. I just

1352
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: think like love is such a beautiful special connection and

1353
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: it can manifest in many different ways. Yeah, someone I

1354
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: dated in the past, like totally might end up being

1355
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: my person eventually.

1356
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I think Caleb is secure. I think Caleab is secure.

1357
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: I would love to be it's giving secure. But I

1358
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: think Michelle answered perfectly because I do know more so

1359
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm going secure lead, I'm going avoidant leading secure, but

1360
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: like really leaning secure.

1361
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: What are you?

1362
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: I can be all things through Christ to give me

1363
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: I've seen and I've seen me be many And when

1364
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: you ask my friends, I think each friend would be

1365
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: like a different thing. I remember showing a friend I

1366
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: was in this awful relationship and showing one of my

1367
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: close friends a chart where I was like, oh, I

1368
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: think this like explains the issue we're having from this

1369
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Instagram therapist, but who's actually a therapist. And I was like,

1370
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: this describes the issue we're having perfectly. My friend immediately

1371
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're the avoidant one. I see. It

1372
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: was like, no, actually, in this context, I'm the anxious one,

1373
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: and this demon I'm with is the avoidancy. I don't

1374
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: speak as eloquently and graciously about my exes. Well, I

1375
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: dated a demon. Yeah, and if you dated a demon,

1376
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: you don't have to be like, I'm not gonna say

1377
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: anything bad about my ex because sometimes your ex is bad.

1378
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes your ex is bad. I don't. There's no don't.

1379
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't see, I don't. Being friends with your ex

1380
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: to me is not like a virtue. If I meet

1381
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: someone and they're not friends with their exes, I'm like,

1382
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure you had a reason. Yeah, Like there's no judgement.

1383
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: By the way, there are people I've dated who I'm like, oh,

1384
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. I think they were a nice

1385
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: person and also a good person, but I'm not their

1386
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: person and they're not mine. Yeah, but I dated a Demon's.

1387
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: Just way different with men and women. Yeah, men and

1388
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: women like by and large, don't like each other much,

1389
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: is the reality. Like men, men really mostly want the

1390
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: respect and company of other men and don't really enjoy

1391
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 2: our respect or love women that much. And so yeah,

1392
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: a lot of my girlfriends are not friends with their exes. Yeah,

1393
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: with lesbians and game, and it's different because it's like, well,

1394
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: we have a lot of the same stuff going on.

1395
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that makes sense, thank you. And also I've

1396
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: just had people I'm not gonna say anything bad about

1397
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: my ex and some of them are the also the

1398
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: worst people I've ever met. They know, they know they

1399
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: know to say, they know. That's a good textbook answer.

1400
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: Are you upset? He hasn't texted back now.

1401
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: He's at work, but I am like, I do want

1402
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: to know what he thinks about I think, and I

1403
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: want to give it to you.

1404
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell the audience later because I'm gonna get

1405
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: a substack eventually one day. Are you maybe I keep

1406
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: teasing the substack that doesn't exist. This is like the

1407
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: twentieth episode where I've said, we'll put it on the substack, just.

1408
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: Get a substick. I will be honest my substack subscribers.

1409
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: I feel bad because I really started with this big

1410
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: head of steam that I was like, I'm gonna write

1411
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: something every week, like a little roundup. And I was

1412
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: doing it for a while, like I was writing, like

1413
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: what's going on with me? What am I reading? Listening

1414
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: to shout outs to friends of the pod, and like

1415
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: what shows that they have coming up, or like how

1416
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: can you support them? It just got so overwhelming. Yeah,

1417
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: because last year was crazy. Yeah, and I really have

1418
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: reduced my substack offerings by a lot because I was

1419
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: burnt out to a degree that I could not sustain. Luckily,

1420
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: they're all so lovely and I offered refunds and stuff,

1421
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: of course, but like, honestly, just doing a little something

1422
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: on there is nice.

1423
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: I have a substack that I read other people's things villa,

1424
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: but I would like to I would love to do

1425
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: a substack. So maybe we first first entry will be

1426
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: about what your ex says concerning your attachment style, dude, Let's.

1427
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: Let them know there are some people on substack. I

1428
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: got on substack because Samantha Rbie and Hailey Williams were

1429
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: doing really cool stuff on there, and I was like,

1430
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: and then I think z Way and I actually had

1431
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: a conversation too, where she was maybe starting substack before

1432
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: me or right around the same time. I love substack.

1433
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do too. I really enjoy it in

1434
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: that little corner of the internet. We have to play

1435
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: a game now.

1436
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: I would also play a game with you anytime.

1437
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: Hey, Okay, we're gonna ride bikes off the podcast and

1438
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: then we're gonna play a game. And I don't know

1439
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: what that breath I just did with. It's four hours

1440
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: of sleep, impress, four hours of sleep.

1441
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: And also we've been talking for a long time.

1442
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: Well, I had to get four hours asleep because I

1443
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: took out my micro braids last night. I told you, right, Okay,

1444
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: see now I'm repeating myself. It's giving Kim. I think

1445
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: you told me that giving get some it's giving gets

1446
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: some rest. Okay, we're playing a game. It's called Thanks

1447
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: no Thanks. Okay, here's the prompt. Would you be saying

1448
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: thanks or no thanks if you received one of each

1449
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: of the following gifts.

1450
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: Okay, let me walk in.

1451
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: I'll lock in the latest trendy self help book.

1452
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: No thanks, don't piss me off. That would piss me off.

1453
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: Don't piss me off. That would piss me off. Really quick,

1454
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna give me a self help book. I will

1455
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: smack the shit out of you. That's crazy more than

1456
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: I know.

1457
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: Thanks is a slap as well. No thanks, all expense

1458
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: paid vacation to something called the ORB.

1459
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: No thanks. I don't want to go to something like that.

1460
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 2: You're not paying to send me somewhere. I'm not gonna

1461
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: be on your dime. I don't want to beholden to

1462
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: your thing. I feel like if you paid me to

1463
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: go somewhere, then it's like, by the way, we have

1464
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: like a nine am photo shoot. Huh.

1465
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: No thanks, there's always a little caveat there's a catch.

1466
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: Always nothing in this world is free. I'd rather pay.

1467
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: I'd rather pay as well.

1468
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pay pay and the ORB. I don't

1469
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: want to go anywhere with like a cryptic haunting name

1470
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: where I think only rich people.

1471
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: Have you been to the sphere? Is that Vegas? That's Vegas?

1472
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: That's Vegas?

1473
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: Have you been?

1474
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going?

1475
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: Okay, me either, not going? All right? If you see

1476
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: me at the sphere, just know someone paid me to

1477
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: be there. Hello, all right, goes for Las Vegas as

1478
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: well as.

1479
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: Frank of the State.

1480
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: Okay, bumper sticker that says keep honking, I'll come c um.

1481
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks. I think that's nice. I'd like a little

1482
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: a little humor in the.

1483
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Pumper stickers on your cards at Kansas City. No.

1484
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: When I was in college, I had a Bernie bumper

1485
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: sticker on my car. And I went to college in

1486
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: southern Missouri, and it kept getting scratched off, and I

1487
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: kept replacing it. I had like a battle with whoever

1488
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: kept scratching it off my car. That was fun. But

1489
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: since then, and that was fun burned.

1490
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. A gorgeous oil painting of yourself.

1491
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Yeah, I'll put it over my mantle. I

1492
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: think that's deeply funny. Yeah, I love that.

1493
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: Wait, and lastly, more time.

1494
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: More time, Yes, if someone gave me more time? Oh thanks, O,

1495
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: I love more time.

1496
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: What'd you do with it?

1497
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: Anything? Dude? You mean are we talking more time? My

1498
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: being alive?

1499
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: More time? However you intend to?

1500
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm obsessed with being alive. I love it. I

1501
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: never want to leave. I can't believe it's going to end.

1502
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: That's so crazy to me. More time anywhere, if I'm

1503
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: having a good time, if I'm having a bad time,

1504
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: no things.

1505
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: You're obsessed with being alive to scare Does aging scare

1506
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: you at all? No?

1507
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: No, I love every year I get older, I feel

1508
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: more myself and of course, by the way, i'm thirty one,

1509
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: so that's a very presumptuous and funny thing to say. Aging.

1510
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: I know gets scary. I know our bodies change on us.

1511
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: But I don't desire to be young. I don't think

1512
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: young people are compelling.

1513
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: You don't like we kind of established that earlier.

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01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm not compelled by twenty. When people are like, oh

1515
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: I wish I was twenty, I'm like, are you fucking insane?

1516
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get out of my twenties.

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: My twenties were fine, But I don't desire to be young.

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01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing even bad happened. I just was like, I

1519
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: want to be grown.

1520
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: I was broken, anxious and worried that things weren't going

1521
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: to work out.

1522
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.

1523
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't a great friend, and I wasn't

1524
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: a good at dating. So no, I'm not interested.

1525
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: You're better at dating now, though, aren't you.

1526
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: I'm better at everything though. Life is very very funny.

1527
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: Around for a while, eating until I get sick.

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01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, last segment, Caleb is thank you. Next it's I

1529
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: have a question from our previous guest for you. Okay, Yes,

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: Chris Maloney, who's also in Little Brother.

1531
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: Can I just say I love that guy?

1532
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1533
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: I love that guy.

1534
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

1535
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: He is a real sweetheart.

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: I love him and very funny, very very funny. And

1537
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know because I think some people are intimidated

1538
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: by him and scared. But I'm like, that guy is

1539
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: very warm and funny.

1540
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: He's devilish. Yeah, there's something devilish about him. You'll you'll

1541
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: be talking to him and he'll just look at you like, yes, yes,

1542
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: there's just something about him.

1543
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: Yes, many times.

1544
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: I love Chris Molony. Do you know something funny? I'll

1545
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: tell this and then maybe we'll ask Chris if he

1546
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: minds it. I said it Chris, after like maybe a

1547
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: week of working on a Little Brother together.

1548
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: He might have told this on the podcast Go Ahead?

1549
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: Did he was it about his knees.

1550
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not just funny funny, You're getting You're not

1551
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: just getting you're funny funny.

1552
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: Well that, but also that he Chris sent me this

1553
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: video of him in a car, like on one of

1554
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: our days off from filming, and he was like, Caleb,

1555
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: I knew I was lucky to be working with you,

1556
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: but I guess I didn't realize how lucky my my

1557
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: nieces are obsessed with you. And then he turns the

1558
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: camera and it's like some of the most lesbian people

1559
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your life. And I was like, well, yeah,

1560
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, brother, and I was sorry. It

1561
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: warmed my heart so much. I was like, I love

1562
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: those girls. Yeah, I love those girls. That's very f

1563
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: I love Chris.

1564
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: Chris is the best. Chris Maloney wants to know who

1565
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: will be the twenty twenty eight presidential nominees.

1566
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty eight presidential nominees will be either jdve

1567
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: Ans or Marco Rubio. On that side of things, that's

1568
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: the side I've went.

1569
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: On that side of things.

1570
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm imagining. I'm imagining Marco Rubio would be the smarter

1571
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: choice for him because he has enough plausible deniability about

1572
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: this administration's downfalls. He could kind of separate himself from the.

1573
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: You'll give them ideas.

1574
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: Though it's not gonna work though, because he has the

1575
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: chrisma as Salting Cracker. I mean, Marco Rubio wouldn't would

1576
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: you like to listen to him talk ever?

1577
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: At all?

1578
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: If Ted Kruz has more chrisma and that guy's the

1579
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: most boring fucking person I've ever seen, So that's not

1580
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: gonna work. It'll probably be JD. Vans, one of the

1581
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: Trump kids will try, for sure, and they will get

1582
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: like laughably destroyed because they don't have what Dad has.

1583
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,479
Speaker 2: None of them are funny. Yeah, And on the left

1584
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: side of things, AOC is gonna make a really compelling run,

1585
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. I don't think Kevin Newsom's gonna try.

1586
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: That's gonna be one of the most boring things we've

1587
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 2: ever watched to play out. Kevin, if you're listening, please

1588
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: just don't do it like we're just not interested. It's

1589
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: not you, brother. You've got a great haircut and your

1590
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: policy suck.

1591
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: Kayala.

1592
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: Who do I think is gonna do it?

1593
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: Do it?

1594
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: I really think for the left side of things, I

1595
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: think that uh mom Donnie style, there will be a

1596
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: compelling populist, left leaning person who will come sort of

1597
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, and I think we might not even

1598
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: know their name. Somebody who's gonna make a really compelling

1599
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: run I think is Dybasher, the governor of Kentucky. He's

1600
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: really interesting to me. He's I think we might want

1601
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: boring next, and he is boring, but in a.

1602
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: Nice way, Like after you date an insane person, you're like,

1603
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: give me the boring.

1604
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's find accountant we dated like like somebody

1605
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: who puts you through the mattress and is like a sociopath.

1606
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: Let's date like an accountant who doesn't know how to fuck,

1607
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, Like that's nice, and that's what the country

1608
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: has been through. So I don't know, we'll see, we'll

1609
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: see what happens.

1610
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: And the last it was a two part question. Will

1611
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: Celine Dion be part of the government.

1612
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: In the way that she's a part of everything that

1613
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: we do, but not not in any official capacity.

1614
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: And what's a question you'd like to ask our next guest.

1615
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: I want to ask your next guest, what's something you

1616
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: were wrong about recently?

1617
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 1: Ooh, I like that one.

1618
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: I really am interested in that. I think being wrong

1619
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: is so exciting.

1620
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I like apologizing. I like the discomfort

1621
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: for me around it.

1622
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1623
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: I get excited to be like because I think it

1624
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: requires bravery to apologize and courage to apologize, and because

1625
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: it's our instinct is always to defend our stances people

1626
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: and defend our actions. I think that's our instinct. But

1627
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm like to go, I'm gonna get uncomfortable here and

1628
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: do the thing that my mom like. I'll be like,

1629
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: I'll be kind of annoying to my mom at times.

1630
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1631
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: We went on a road trip to Hilton Head years ago,

1632
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, where's the closest gas station?

1633
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: And this woman took me so damn far. This cannot

1634
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: be the closest gas station to your home. We need

1635
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: to get on the road to South Carolina. And then

1636
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: I was like that was unnecessary. How annoyed I got

1637
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: by that, And so then the beginning of the car ride,

1638
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, I need to apologize, but I'm like,

1639
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: my mom also isn't gonna expect me to or need

1640
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: me to. She is being quiet right now, she's taking

1641
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: a break. He was also there, but I was taking

1642
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: a break. Yeah, and that's okay. But I was like, no,

1643
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: you owe her an apology. You owe her an apology,

1644
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: So you need to apologize. You need to apologize. And

1645
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm driving and I'm like, but she's

1646
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: also gonna just kind of like Okay, yeah, it's not

1647
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: going to be a big moment, and you won't know

1648
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: how she accepted the apology or not, because that's just

1649
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: not her vibe of communication. But I was like, but

1650
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: you will her an apology, so you don't need someone

1651
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: to need ask you for an apology or initiate a

1652
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: conversation about how they'd like one. In any way, I'm loving.

1653
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: The idea of you in the driver's seat, silently going

1654
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: through this whole way. But you are an apology.

1655
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to be the kind of person who apologizes?

1656
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: And were you hurt, were you in her shoes, you

1657
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: would want the apology regardless of how you apologize.

1658
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what she took you to a far ass

1659
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: guess station, But I like this question for our next guest.

1660
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: Being wrong is a thrill. Being wrong is a complete thrill,

1661
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: and being able to admit you were wrong, realizing you

1662
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: were wrong, apologizing for being wrong, and getting to that

1663
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: place where you get like a new level of intimacy

1664
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: with even a stranger. Like I've had interactions with strangers

1665
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: where I'm like, God, damn it, I was wrong, and

1666
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: then you apologize. You know, it's so I love being wrong.

1667
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a thrill. Yeah, it's fun, And we

1668
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 2: don't have to demonize and be so scared of it.

1669
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: We have a real cultural problem around being wrong.

1670
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: The instinct is I'm right, and I stand by what

1671
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: I did, and I stand by what I said, and

1672
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if you apologize? What if what you

1673
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: said was not right because you are but a human? Yeah,

1674
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: and you were wrong, which is okay.

1675
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: We've all been wrong, So what if it was actually

1676
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: a beautiful way to connect.

1677
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong some more.

1678
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: I will.

1679
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: You want to live forever? And shit, you about to

1680
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: be wrong a lot?

1681
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, save a long life. You're gonna be wrong

1682
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: a lot.

1683
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: There it is, And guys, I'm not gonna say anything

1684
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: else except for that was Caleb Harron. I loved my

1685
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: time with you. Thank you for doing this. I love you,

1686
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: and we really do need to write bye.

1687
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

1688
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: Thanks Dad. Is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money

1689
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: Players and iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host Ago wodem Our

1690
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: producer is Kevin Bartelt, and our executive producer is Matt Appadaka.