1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks. DJ. Bucky back with you. Buck. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: How you doing, man, man, I'm good man. Look it's 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 3: a great day. We've got a good football weekend. I 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: know you got stuff all weekend, so it should be fun, 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: should be excited weekend. 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm as you can tell, I'm not at home. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: I'm in a hotel room in Las Vegas as we're 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: recording this on Thursday. We've got the Chargers Raiders Thursday night, 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: and then I'm heading out to I'm heading out to Dallas. 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: My daughter is graduating Dallas Baptist on Friday. So life 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: comes at you fast. A lot of stuff going on, 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: squeezing it all in here this week. But I'm excited 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: about this episode because, speaking of Las Vegas, I want 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: to bring in our guest here. We've got Dave Ziegler's 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: going to join us, coming off his tenure as a 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: general manager of the Raiders, but a long time personnel 19 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 2: executive working most of the time with the New England Patriots. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: A lot of success, a full trophy case. I'm sure 21 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: he's got the a safety box full of some jewelry. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: But we're excited to bring in Dave. We get a 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: chance to talk to him about you know, team building, 24 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: some of the things he's learned throughout the years and uh, 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 2: and see if we can't learn us a little something ourselves. 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: So let's bring him in here. We got Dave join us. Dave, 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time, man. 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: How are you doing outstanding? Thanks for having me, guys. 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 5: I'm excited to be on and it's it's always good 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 5: to talk some football. 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: It's great to it's great to have you. 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: Man. 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to go and go through and you know, 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: everything that went right or everything that went wrong, or 35 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: and all that stuff with your time with the Raiders. 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: A lot of other things I want to get to, 37 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: but I do want to start from the standpoint of, 38 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, I've been in a situation. 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: Bucks has been in a stasion. 40 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: A lot of people listening have been in this situation 41 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: where things change abruptly. You think you you know, you 42 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: think you're going to be going on in a job, 43 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it abruptly comes to an end. 44 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: How did you deal with that in the immediate aftermath? 45 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: And what have you been able to learn since Yeah. 46 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 5: I think, you know, and I've always said this, I think, 47 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: you know, life's all about perspective. And so, you know, obviously, 48 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: when you lose one of these jobs, it's it's it's 49 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 5: very public, it's it's all across social media, and so 50 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 5: you know, you really worry about the you know, your family, 51 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 5: you know, my mom and dad, my kids, my wife. 52 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: And how they were going to handle things. 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 5: I know, I felt blessed to have been in that position, 54 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 5: just blessed in life to to you know, we're we're healthy, 55 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 5: we're happy. I was doing something that I love to do, 56 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: and so, you know, I I think you have to 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 5: put things in perspective. And so while there's some disappointment living, 58 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 5: you know, living bitter, holding onto a lot of a resentment, 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 5: it's just not. 60 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 4: A healthy way to go. Life's too short to live 61 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: that way. 62 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 5: And so while I was disappointed, you know, I was 63 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 5: also thankful for the opportunity, and it was really a 64 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 5: focus on making sure everybody around me was okay and 65 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: that you know, that they that they knew that I 66 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 5: was okay. And so you know, that's kind of how 67 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: I handled you know, the the immediate aftermath, and then 68 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 5: I think it's time to it's time to self reflect. 69 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: You know, you have to look at yourself in the 70 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: mirror and say, you know, there were some mistakes that 71 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 5: I made, there were some things that I would have 72 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 5: done differently, And I think I think it's good to 73 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 5: go through that inventory and too, because that's how you learn, 74 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 5: and that's how we all learn and grow is by 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 5: making mistakes and looking at some of those things and 76 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 5: also identifying the things that went well and the things 77 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 5: that you know, we are proud of that we were 78 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: doing there and pairing those things along with you. And 79 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: so I think those are the you know, those are 80 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 5: kind of a little bit of the gamut of emotions 81 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 5: that you go through. And then you've got to step 82 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: back and seeing what you can learn from the process 83 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 5: to apply in the future. 84 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: You know, and thinking about learning from the process, like 85 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: how you occupying your time now, Like you've been in 86 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: the grinder for so long, now that you're out of it, 87 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: how are you feeling. 88 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 6: How you feeling those time blocks on your calendar? 89 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's different. 90 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 5: My golf game has improved, you know, immensely here in 91 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 5: the last month, not that it was ever good. But 92 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 5: but my golf games have improved, and you know, being 93 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 5: out here in Vegas, obviously the weather's great, so you 94 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 5: can outside, but you know, invest invest in a lot 95 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: of time back in with my family and my kids 96 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 5: and spending more time with them. You know, they would 97 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 5: only get to see their dad maybe an hour a day, 98 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: you know, throughout the week a lot of times, and 99 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 5: so a lot more chauffeurring back and forth from school 100 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 5: to practices, things like that, staying healthy, you know, working out, 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 5: staying in shape, and also doing some football work, staying 102 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 5: up on what's going around in the league. Like I said, 103 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 5: kind of doing some work on myself, keeping in contact 104 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 5: with people throughout the league. But I'd say mostly, you know, 105 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 5: it's focusing on family, focusing on those relationships and getting 106 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 5: out there and playing a little golf. 107 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: I want to touch on that a little bit in 108 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: terms of this is really kind of getting to the 109 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: thing about balance. And I look, I think we've all 110 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: probably been in situations and especially early on your career 111 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: where there is no balance is not a word that's 112 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: that works in the NFL. It is very very dominant 113 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: of your time and thought process. Is there a way 114 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: to do that job and really just you know, think 115 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: about coaching as well as personnel and maintain a positive 116 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: home life because I know it's a big challenge for 117 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: a lot of folks. 118 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's never going to be I think the 119 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: one thing is there's never going to be an equal 120 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 5: balance because the job just takes so much time and 121 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 5: it takes so much effort, and so it is always 122 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 5: going to be a little bit slanted towards the lifestyle 123 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 5: and to the job. You know that you that you're 124 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 5: working in, and so you have to have someone that 125 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 5: understands that. And I think you try to create balance 126 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 5: the best way that you can. You know, for us, 127 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 5: in my family, we always try to live close to 128 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: the facility, and oftentimes what I would do is just 129 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 5: to give my kids some normalcy in terms of seeing 130 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: their dad. 131 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: Every day. 132 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: I would come home around six o'clock in the evening, 133 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 5: I would eat dinner with my kids. My kids are young, 134 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 5: so I get them shower, get them cleaned up, give 135 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 5: my wife a little break, and then once everything was settled, 136 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: I would head back to the office. And you know, 137 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: and so if I was home from six to seven thirty, 138 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 5: maybe I was back at the office, working from you know, 139 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 5: eight to ten thirty or eight to eleven, and so 140 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 5: I had to sacrifice some sleep on my end to 141 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: kind of create. 142 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 4: That balance and make that balance happen. But I thought 143 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 4: it was really important for. 144 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: My kids to know, like, Okay, I see my dad 145 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 5: every evening. I might take them to a practice and 146 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: then go back to work. And so that was the 147 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 5: way that I tried to create it during the week, 148 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 5: was you know, have some flexibility that way. And that's 149 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 5: what I would encourage my staff to do too, you know, 150 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 5: is let's not you know, let's not miss every practice, 151 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 5: Let's not miss the important things at school, let's not 152 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: miss birthdays. There's ways that you can whether you're coming 153 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 5: in early, you're staying a little later, or you're working 154 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 5: remotely from home, Like we can manufacture more of that 155 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 5: flexibility than we probably could have when we all first 156 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: started it scouting and it was just a different atmosphere. 157 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 5: And so those were the ways that we tried to 158 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 5: create it here in my house, and that I tried 159 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 5: to encourage our staff to create it too. 160 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 6: I'm really fascinated by that last part of it. 161 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: You talked about, like remotely whatever we all had to 162 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: adjust during the pandemic when it came to working and 163 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: working differently or whatever. Coming out of the pandemic, what 164 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: are some of the things that you learned in terms 165 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: of how you had to work around the challenges that 166 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: may have allowed you to kind of create a better 167 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: environment for your staff where they can get some of 168 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: that balance and stuff that everybody wants. 169 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 170 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 5: Well, I think the biggest thing is, like before the pandemic, 171 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 5: we all felt that all the work had to be 172 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 5: done at the office, that you had to be sitting 173 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 5: at your desk, you know, that you. 174 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: Had to be in the building to get all of 175 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: your work done. 176 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 5: And I think coming out of the pandemic, you know, 177 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 5: there was so much time we were all working from home, 178 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 5: We were all working. 179 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: On zoom and lo and behold. 180 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 5: People were still getting their work done, you know what 181 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 5: I mean, and in a lot of ways more efficient 182 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: and also in a healthier lifestyle in terms of like 183 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 5: we talked about creating more balance, and so I think 184 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 5: that there was just that stigma that was kind of 185 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: stripped away after the pandemic that you can work from home, 186 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: we can have a meeting and you don't have to 187 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 5: be in the office. You know what I mean, we 188 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 5: can still get together, we can still be productive. 189 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: You can you can. 190 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 5: Have a system at home where you have your cowboy, 191 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: you have your computer, you know, and we can still 192 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 5: interact and you can still get work done. 193 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: So I think there was a lot of a stig stigma, 194 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: Bucky that was stripped. 195 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 5: Away that we had to be in the office and 196 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 5: you had to be you know, present there to get 197 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 5: work done and be efficient. And we've found ways that 198 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: you don't have to necessarily do that if you embrace 199 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: it the right way. 200 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 201 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: So it turns out you can find out who the 202 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: L four is on kickoff and the team you're playing 203 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: next week from home, just. 204 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: As easily as you came from the office. 205 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was you. 206 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 5: Know, it's funny, but that was the thing that you know, 207 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: I would tell a lot of guys in our office. 208 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, I'm not going to tell you 209 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 5: when you have to stay at the office, like you 210 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: guys are twenty five, thirty forty years old. Like what 211 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 5: we're going to judge you on is the quality of 212 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 5: your work. 213 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, get your work. 214 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 5: That's what you'll be and that's what you're going to 215 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 5: be judged on. So if you're going to stay till 216 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 5: six thirty at night and then you're working at home 217 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: from wherever to get work, then and your work. 218 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: Is good than great, you know, and you can create 219 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: a balance that way. That's great. 220 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 5: But like we don't need to all be sitting in 221 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 5: you know, four cubicles next to each other necessarily to 222 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 5: get all our work done and be efficient. 223 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: I want to go back in time here and we'll 224 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: get to the New England stuff in a minute, which 225 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: is everybody's always trying to learn from what you guys 226 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: were doing there. But I want to go back to 227 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: John Carroll. I you know so many guys from there, 228 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: Buck does as well. It is like a mafia of 229 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: NFL guys, coaches and personnel like that have come out 230 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: of John Carroll. What is it about that place that's 231 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: made it such a football hotbed? 232 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, as you guys know, first, let's start off 233 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 5: with Division III football as non scholarship and so you 234 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 5: know you're going there because you love the game. You're 235 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 5: not going there to play in front of fifty thousand people, 236 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: and you know, schools getting paid for and you two 237 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,479 Speaker 5: guys know better than anyone the passion for this lifestyle 238 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 5: or the passion for football and everything that comes along 239 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 5: with it. You have to love it, you know, to 240 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 5: do what we do and to sacrifice the time that 241 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 5: we sacrifice. And so I think you have a collective 242 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 5: of people that one love the game and then two, 243 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 5: John Carroll is also a place where you win a 244 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 5: lot of football games, and so you're around winners and 245 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: you're in you're experiencing winning and you're seeing what that 246 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 5: looks like, and you're seeing what you know, accountability looks 247 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 5: like and what high demands look like. 248 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 4: And then the school's not easy either. 249 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 5: And so there's the academic setting of having to prioritize time, 250 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 5: how you balance you know, how you balance tasks, how 251 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 5: you create a plan to be efficient each day. 252 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: And you guys know that those are a lot. 253 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 5: Of the key things that make people successful in personnel too. 254 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 5: And then obviously there's a pipeline that's been created and 255 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: that's very helpful too, because people that have gone from 256 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 5: John Carroll that are in the league are going back 257 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: and looking for people maybe with similar ideals. It's that 258 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 5: similar work ethic, and now you've created this kind of 259 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 5: cycle of people that are come through there. 260 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: For me personally, it was the first place I went. 261 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 5: I went and was really around a lot of winners, 262 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 5: people that had won in high school. My coaching staff 263 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 5: at John Carroll, they were used to winning, and I 264 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: wasn't from a high The high school I went to, 265 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: we didn't have like ungodly success, So it was really 266 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 5: the first time I was around people that had won 267 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 5: and had a winning attitude and have these high expectations, 268 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 5: and it was something that shaped, you know, shaped me 269 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 5: to have success here in the league. 270 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's so funny that you bring 271 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: that part up about winning. I've worked for organizations. DJ 272 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: worked for organizations where it was a priority to bring 273 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: a bunch of winners in because you kind of felt 274 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: like when you had winners and team captains, when you 275 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: have a successful organization, they kind of already understand the 276 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: secret sauce. So in transitioning to New England, I do wonder, like, 277 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: when you're around a bunch of winners like that, what 278 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: kind of people, what kind of traces are you're looking 279 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: at in people not only just the players, but the 280 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: people around to make sure that the winning can continues. 281 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: I think the one thing is of people with low ego. 282 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 5: You know, I think you know, when you have people 283 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 5: with low ego, you have people that are focused on 284 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 5: being great at the tasks that they're given, and they're 285 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 5: not focused on you know, some ulterior motive or another 286 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 5: angle or you know, how am I going to get 287 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: from point A to point B. They're just focused on 288 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: being great in their role and I think that's really 289 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 5: critical and having, you know, a winning organization is having 290 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 5: a collective of people that are just trying to be 291 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 5: great right now where their feed are. And that was 292 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 5: something that was really you know, important in New England. 293 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: And I think winners, you know, in general, embody, that embody, 294 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: that mindset. I think also a high attention to detail. 295 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 5: You guys know how how the details in this game? 296 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: All these games we watch them every week. The games 297 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 5: are it's two or three plays, do you know what 298 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 5: I mean? And so you're winning on the margins and 299 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 5: I think you're winning on the margins and scouting too, 300 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 5: and so a high attention to detail I think is 301 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: a really critical piece of being a. 302 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: Winner and being in a winning organization. 303 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: And then I think open communication, you know, the ability 304 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 5: to disagree, the ability to feel confident as a young 305 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 5: scout or a young coach, to disagree with someone that's 306 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 5: you know, in a higher platform than you and have 307 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 5: fruitful conversations and be able to you know, you guys 308 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 5: know a lot of those disagreements you have to come 309 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: to a resolution and so you dig a little deeper. 310 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 5: There's a little bit more that goes into it. And 311 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 5: whether that's on the coaching side or the scouting side, 312 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 5: I think those are three. I could keep going, but 313 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: I think those are three critical pieces to you know, 314 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 5: having this winning culture and having a winning organization. 315 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: I want to stay on that in terms of what 316 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: you're looking for in the person, because it feels like 317 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: at least when I go back and try and self scout, 318 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: I go back and find the majority of the misses 319 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: or not what you saw on the field. It's it's 320 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: the person, not the player that you end up missing on. 321 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: In New England, you guys were you know, knowing. I 322 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: don't know how much of it was public, but just 323 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: from having buddies that have gone through there a very 324 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: small draft board. Everybody else's got one hundred and fifty 325 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: plus names in New England might be seventy five to 326 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: one hundred names on. 327 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: There was a very narrow pathway to get there. 328 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: And we always start from the outside. Okay, smart, tough, 329 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: and they can do one thing really well and they're 330 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: going to just focus on that and they'll put them 331 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: in a position to do that. But from the inside 332 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: of those walls, is there something that we were missing there? 333 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you hit on two of them. 334 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 5: You know, I think the foundation for what I've been 335 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 5: taught and what I continue to look for and you know, 336 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: something that was instilled in me from my time with 337 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: the Patriots. First, let's start with just the intelligence piece 338 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: and being smart, and we're talking about football intelligence, you 339 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: know for the most part here. But I think that 340 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: guys that can come in quickly not only learn their 341 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 5: task and learn what their job is in the fundamental level, 342 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 5: but guys that can learn new things every week or 343 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 5: in game and apply them on the field, because, as 344 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 5: you guys know, there's a lot of adjustments that happened 345 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: during the game. And so I think, uh that that 346 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 5: level of intelligence we just talked about it gamed are 347 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: decided by three or four plays every week, and a 348 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 5: lot of those things that maybe the fans don't see 349 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 5: it a lot of them are mental busts. A lot 350 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 5: a lot of them are miscommunications that result in negative 351 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: plays that impact winning. And so I think being able 352 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 5: to be have a high football intelligence is really is 353 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 5: really important. You hit on the second one, toughness, And 354 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 5: when we talked about toughness, it was physical, but even 355 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 5: more importantly, it's mental toughness. It's it's the ability to 356 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: bounce back from the mistake. It's the mental toughness to 357 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 5: be able to handle a lot of volume in your job. 358 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 5: It's the mental toughness to be able to handle the 359 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 5: pressure of your job and be able to understand that 360 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: you know, I have Bucky behind me. He's he's you know, 361 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 5: nipping at the nipping that you know, my heels, trying 362 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 5: to take my job. And I still stay mentally tough 363 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: in those situations and remain focused on how I'm going 364 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 5: to be getting better each week and not worrying about 365 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: the man behind me. So smart and tough were two 366 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 5: really instrumental pieces. I think the other one was dependability, 367 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: being dependable on the field, but also being dependable off 368 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 5: the field. It's so hard to win, and I'll talk 369 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 5: about the off field piece really quick it's so hard 370 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 5: to win in the league that anything that's a distraction, 371 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 5: anything that takes away from winning, whether it's you know, 372 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: having to worry about somebody what they're doing off the field, 373 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 5: or are they studying enough, are they learning their craft enough? 374 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 5: Like those different types of things are all little bits 375 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 5: of energy that go away from focusing on winning. So 376 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 5: you want guys who are going to be dependable and 377 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: a dependable to be a professional, you know quite frankly, 378 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 5: and then be dependable on the field to execute their job. 379 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 5: So the guy next to them knows that they can 380 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 5: count on this guy on third and six in a 381 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 5: critical moment of the game and that and that they 382 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: can depend on them, because that builds that that builds, 383 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 5: you know, into the whole I would say culture of 384 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 5: the team and being able to believe that everybody's going 385 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: to execute, you know, on on on the same level 386 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 5: and on the same page. 387 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: So smart, tough, you know, dependable. 388 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 5: I think another part that we added that I you know, 389 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 5: we've talked about, you know, in Vegas's explosiveness and you 390 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: know it goes away from the person, but just players 391 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 5: that can you know, have an explosive, an explosive aspect 392 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 5: to their game that can disrupt the game, whether it's 393 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: disrupting the game, you know, making explosive plays on offense 394 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 5: and disrupting the defensive portion the game, or being able 395 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 5: to disrupt the pocket, be able to being able to 396 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 5: disrupt at the catch point if you're a defensive back 397 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 5: or cornerback. But just like that explosive you know, that 398 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: explosive mentality is I think really important. And lastly, a 399 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 5: passion for football. You have to love the game to 400 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 5: really be great at it. And you know, guys are 401 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 5: motivated by different things. And that's one thing that I learned, 402 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 5: i'd say in the last few years, especially when you're 403 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 5: getting more into the contract sides of things. 404 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: You know, some people, some players are. 405 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 5: Motivated by legacy, and I think that's a really good 406 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 5: player to have because they're motivated about being great. 407 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 4: And you have other players. 408 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 5: That are money motivated, and I don't think that's necessarily 409 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 5: a negative thing. You know, maybe their passion for football 410 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 5: they love, they maybe they're they're desire and their love 411 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 5: for football is a little bit less, but they are 412 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 5: motivated by the financial side to be great. And you know, 413 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 5: I think you have to be a little bit careful 414 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 5: with those guys when it comes contract time and when 415 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 5: you're going to extend somebody. But I think finding out 416 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 5: what players are motivated by, but ideally them having a 417 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: high passion for just the love of the game. I 418 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: think if you just take those things smart, tough, dependable, 419 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 5: and have a high passion for football and you I 420 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 5: think that's a good platform that we felt to start from. 421 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, Dave, because I love all those 422 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: traits and I think they're really really common with all organizations, 423 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: whether it's football, basketball, whether it's the workplace, and those things. 424 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: My my thing that you would be like, if I'm 425 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: an outsider and I'm coming in, but I want to 426 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: take some of that, how can I take some of 427 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: that and still be myself within that? So as you 428 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: transition and went to the Raiders, how do you take 429 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: those things that you learn but still try to be 430 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: Dave of the Raiders of Las Vegas as opposed to 431 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: Dave that was. 432 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 6: Back there in New England. Is that a challenge to 433 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 6: kind of carry that on? 434 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 435 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: Well, I think part of the challenge, Bucky is there's 436 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: there's a stigma that that comes with coming from New 437 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 5: England and that stigma hasn't always necessarily been positive because 438 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 5: a lot of guys have left New England and haven't 439 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 5: you know, haven't had you know, I'd say maybe the 440 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 5: success that you know was desired. 441 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 4: So I think, like I think they're there. I think 442 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 4: this is the key. 443 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 5: You have your ideals and the hait they you have 444 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: the things that you believe in. You also have to 445 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: be open minded and flexible to other ideas coming from 446 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 5: people from other organizations and not be afraid to instill 447 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: some of those things and not be afraid to maybe 448 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 5: adjust some of your ideals. And I think also Bucky, 449 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 5: when it comes to just team building, you have to 450 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 5: understand where you're at as a team. And you know, 451 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 5: we couldn't have a draft board, and we didn't have 452 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 5: a draft board of seventy players, you know. 453 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: With with with the Raiders, we were in. 454 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 5: A position where, you know, when we got there, there 455 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 5: was only thirty eight players under contract, and so you know, 456 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 5: we had to have a little bit more flexibility on 457 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: who we were going to bring in, really focus on 458 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more on how are we going 459 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 5: to develop these players, how are we going to maybe 460 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: bring players along and develop their mental toughness or you know, 461 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 5: pour into them to grow them. 462 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: Into a more dependable person. You know, we couldn't. 463 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 5: We weren't going to maybe have as many as the 464 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 5: finished products that we had in New England because we 465 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 5: had this infrastructure that was so strongly built, you know, 466 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 5: in New England where we were really looking to find 467 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 5: maybe five or six guys a year, you know, to 468 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 5: plug in certain holes and things of that nature. Where 469 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 5: with the Raiders, we were really building it from scratch. 470 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 5: And so I think there's an open mindedness to it. 471 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 5: I think there's a little bit of understanding where you're 472 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 5: at organizationally, and you may have to have some more 473 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 5: flexibility and you may have to adjust some things. So 474 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 5: again also for the conference that you're playing in too, 475 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: let's not forget about that. Like we're playing against Patrick Mahomes, 476 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 5: we're playing against Herbert you know, we were playing against 477 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: Russell Wilson. I think just from a team building philosophy too, 478 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: how you're going to build a defense, how you're going 479 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: to build an offense based on who you're playing twice 480 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 5: a year was different than when we were in New England, 481 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 5: and you have to be mindful of that too. 482 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: And we'll be back right after this break. Did you, 483 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: by the way, when you saw the show Heo Tani contract, 484 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: did you have a little Brady thought in your head 485 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: when you saw that number come across and then actually 486 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: saw how it was laid out. 487 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, once I saw the deferment of payments, you 488 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 5: know that was something I could get behind, you know, 489 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 5: a little easier pill to swallow when you see that 490 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 5: sixty eight millions in two thousand and forty three, and 491 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 5: you know those immediate payments are only two. But you know, 492 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 5: obviously when we had Tom, you know Tom was Tom 493 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 5: was very unique and that he wasn't focused on being 494 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: the highest paid player at his position, or he wasn't 495 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 5: focused on Okay, like these three guys are making this 496 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 5: amount of money, and I'm better than these three guys, 497 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 5: so I need to be making that. And I don't 498 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 5: fault players for thinking that way. That's a competitive aspect 499 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 5: that players have too, you know that that they want 500 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 5: to be paid based on how good they think they are, 501 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: and that's part of their motivation. Tom was very unique, 502 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 5: you know the way that he saw the game and 503 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 5: the way that he saw roster building, and he had 504 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 5: a really good understanding for for hey, if I'm going 505 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 5: to take you know, below market value, that's going to 506 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 5: help other parts of the team, and ultimately that's going 507 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 5: to lead us to winning championships and being highly successful, 508 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 5: which which leads to all the other things. It leads 509 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 5: to bigger contracts for you. When you're winning, other team 510 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 5: see you as desirable. You know, it may lead to 511 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 5: more endorsements, it may lead to, you know, more money. 512 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 5: You get a lot of great things that we all 513 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: prosper when we win. And sometimes you have to sacrifice 514 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 5: at the at the front end to you know, reap 515 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 5: those benefits at the end when you're standing, you know, 516 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: with that trophy at the end of the year. 517 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 4: And so you know, we were. 518 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: All blessed for Tom to have that mindset because it 519 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: impacted all of us in our careers in a really 520 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: positive way. You Know. 521 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: It's funny you talk about Tom hevn talked to a 522 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: bunch of former patriots, like they talk about the sacrifice 523 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: that was made and so you talk about the stigma 524 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: that comes with the Patriot way or whatever. But in 525 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: talking to them, I never got the sense of the 526 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: negative connotations. When I talk to Willie McGinnis anothers. They 527 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: talked about how the team really bought into being to 528 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: playing for one another, and so how hard is it 529 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: as you're trying to build the team to dig a 530 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: little deeper for the players that you're thinking about bringing 531 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: in for them to have that attitude that a man, 532 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: I really want to win and I prioritize winning over 533 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: the other stuff, and I'm willing to whatever step back 534 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: monetarily or even in a role to make sure that 535 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 3: the team wins. 536 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 5: Really difficult, and it's really difficult on the pro free 537 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: agency side specifically because you don't get to spend all 538 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 5: the time with the pro free agents that you do 539 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: in college. You know, all the all the interviews that 540 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 5: you're able to have at all Star Games and the 541 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: Combine and the and the thirty visits, and and you're 542 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: going into the schools, you're talking to their academic advisors, 543 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 5: you're talking to their position coaches. I feel like, you know, 544 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 5: you're you're you're able to get a bigger a better 545 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: sense of the whole person. And as you guys know, 546 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 5: guys change, And yeah, you have that information and free agency, 547 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: but guys, you know, guys change when they get in 548 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 5: the lead grow and they're maturing, money becomes involved, a 549 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 5: lot of things change, and so you also you often 550 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: don't know exactly what that player is motivated by anymore 551 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 5: in free agency, and one thing we focused on this 552 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 5: last year specifically was recruiting or looking at guys in 553 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 5: free agency that came from good programs and came from women. 554 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 4: We talked about winning environments. 555 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: If you look at Robert Splaine, who we signed in 556 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: free agency from the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin loved Robert Splaine. Really, 557 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: that's all I needed to know. They might did not 558 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: want Robert Splaine to come out of the building. That 559 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 5: told me a lot about who Robert Splaine was. Or 560 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 5: Marcus Epps coming from the Eagles organization and us having 561 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 5: a lot of respect for you know, what they've done 562 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 5: and how they build their team and what their expectations are. 563 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 5: And so we focused tried to focus a lot on 564 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 5: guys coming from winning cultures, coming from programs in the 565 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 5: league that we really respected, and along with other research 566 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 5: that we would do to try to find these players 567 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 5: that we felt were team first guys. And you know, 568 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 5: that's a lot of the digging that we do in 569 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 5: the college process too. 570 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 4: And it's not easy. 571 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: You can't find fifty three of those guys, but if 572 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 5: you can find a core of those guys, and I 573 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 5: think you know, this is one thing that Bill taught 574 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 5: us when it came to roster building. Ideally, and this 575 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 5: isn't something that's always perfect, but ideally, you want your 576 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: best players to be your best leaders, to be your 577 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 5: hardest workers, and to be your highly most compensated players. 578 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 5: And when you do that, you can build a healthy 579 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 5: culture in the locker room. Because guys are looking like 580 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 5: and I'll use the Raiders as an example. Max Crosby 581 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 5: is one of our hardest work It is our hardest 582 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: It was the hardest worker with the Las Vegas Raiders. 583 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 5: He's also one of the best players and is also 584 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: a great leader, and he's compensated. 585 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 4: You know, he's compensated highly too. 586 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 5: And so when the other guys look at this guy's 587 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 5: getting paid all this money and he's still here at 588 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 5: five point thirty in the morning, he still works consistently 589 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: hard in practice every week. And you have a collection 590 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 5: of those types of guys, it bleeds down to the 591 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 5: roster and it creates a really healthy locker room environment 592 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 5: for yourself. 593 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 2: I was going back through them, seem I can pull 594 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: it up right now, But I went back and I 595 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: did this a long time ago. But we had Lionel 596 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: vitals with us with the Ravens for feyears and it 597 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: could come from Bill. And he did a Scout School 598 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: presentation one year at training camp and he gave us 599 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: Bill's notes on players, you know, position specifics and just 600 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: nuggets on what he was looking for going back to 601 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: the early night. I think it was like nineteen ninety 602 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: three or something like that, And so I posted it 603 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: and then literally you start looking. You start looking for 604 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: the new England roster through this prism and you're like, gos, 605 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: I think there's some absolutes in here, like there were 606 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 2: some non negotiables that Bill was looking for at positions. 607 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: So I'm going to read one. This is again, this 608 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: is from the early nineties, and tell me if this, 609 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: if this maintained throughout your time there is let's just 610 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: do quarterbacks. The number one is to make good decisions. 611 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: Then arm size, physicality, toughness, leadership. Guys look up to 612 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: and have confidence in a real competitor, accurate rather than 613 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: a guy with a cannon emphasis on our game will 614 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: be on decision decision making, timing, and accuracy. Guy needs 615 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: to be confident. Intelligent is intelligence is important, but not 616 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: as much as on field awareness and judgment. Can't be sloppy, 617 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: fundamentally unsound. Guy with ball handling techniques, et cetera, footwork, drops, release, 618 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: et cetera. QB has to be able to throw the 619 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: ball with accuracy. And then so this is the offense, 620 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: the goals of the offense. This is again in the 621 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: early nineties. Run the ball, pick up, the blitz, pick up, 622 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: third down score that was going back, nothing change. 623 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and you can go through it. 624 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: You can go through every position, especially I don't have 625 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: the defensive one here. But like we talk about non negotiables, 626 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: like we can talk about okay, we can work with this, 627 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: but like a corner that can't find and play. 628 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: The ball, like don't touch him, We're done with him. 629 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: And he talked about different sizes, He was okay with 630 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: different sizes, things like that, safeties that were dumb. He's like, 631 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't care how athletic is if you have a 632 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: dumb safety, he can't play. Were there were there? Did 633 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: there continue to be kind of the non negotiables in 634 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: certain position groups as you guys were adding to your rosters. 635 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'll hit a couple on each side, but 636 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: just taking the secondary for example, like you have to 637 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 5: be able. 638 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: To tackle, yeah, you know, there has to be and 639 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: you don't have to be a you know, a trained you. 640 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: Know, get him on the ground. 641 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: There has to be a willingness to tackle both at 642 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 5: let's talk about at the corner position. There's so much 643 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 5: run force, you know, there's so many edge runs, especially 644 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: the way that you see the game being played now, 645 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 5: there's a lot more jet sweeps, there's a lot more 646 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 5: getting receivers and different people not just the running back, 647 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 5: but different people to the edge of the defense. And 648 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: so if your corners can't come up and force and tackle, 649 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 5: it's a liability. And so that was, you know, that 650 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 5: was one of those non negotiables. If you put on 651 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 5: a corner and you watched a corner with Bill and 652 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 5: he may be able to cover pretty well, but if 653 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 5: tackle after tackle's coming up where he's not showing up 654 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 5: because there's no willingness to there's not that innate toughness 655 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: to even want to do it. He was going that 656 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 5: guy was not going to be lasting long on the 657 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 5: draft board or he was sliding down. Safety is the 658 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 5: same thing. You know, Bill always talked about the safeties 659 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 5: are the last line of defense. 660 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: The reason they're called. 661 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 5: Safeties is they need to make sure like they they're 662 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 5: this safety outlet to make sure that like that guy 663 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 5: gets on the ground, you know, before he gets into 664 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 5: the end zone. And so safeties that didn't run for 665 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 5: safeties that didn't tackle, those were some non negotiables there 666 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 5: on the defensive back position. Going back to the quarterbacks, 667 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: you know, you hit on a lot of those things. 668 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 5: But you know one thing that we talked a lot 669 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 5: about is a quarterback has to be able to problem solve. 670 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: You know, you have to be. 671 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 5: Able to you're you're out on the field, you have 672 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 5: to be able to problem solve in the moment. Okay, 673 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 5: what happens when the defense gives a look that wasn't 674 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 5: a scouted look during the week. Can you problem solve 675 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 5: and get us in the right play? What happens when 676 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 5: you know the extra receiver all of a sudden has 677 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 5: lined up on the wrong side of the formation and 678 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 5: you don't have time to make that adjustment. Can you 679 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 5: problem solve in the moment and get us into the 680 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: right play or make an adjustment on the fly to 681 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: make that place still successful. And so there's so much 682 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 5: problem solving that takes place pre snap, but then there's 683 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 5: the problem solving that takes back. And this is why 684 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 5: the position is so hard. I don't know if everybody 685 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 5: understands this. When you think about being under center and 686 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 5: taking five steps and a defense scattering in a bunch 687 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 5: of different directions and being able to process what's happening 688 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 5: and then problem solved in a split second to put 689 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 5: the ball in the right place. We talked often about 690 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 5: problem solving and the ability of the quarterback to do 691 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 5: that an efficient way. And I think the other thing 692 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 5: that you hit on that's really important is you have 693 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 5: to have a guy that can learn. We forget that 694 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 5: this is a This is the hardest position to play 695 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: in sports. You're walking into a calculus class. You step 696 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 5: in as an NFL as a rookie into an NFL building. 697 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 5: Can you learn? Can you study? Can you retain information? 698 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 5: And then can you go apply it on the field 699 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: or in practice? 700 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: Can you take it? You hear it all the time? 701 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 5: Can you take it from the board to the field 702 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 5: and I think those are a lot of things that 703 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 5: you know that to that has to apply to the 704 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 5: quarterback position. 705 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 4: But one thing I'd add that's new now. I think 706 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 4: with problem solving. 707 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 5: A lot of it was often cerebral when it came 708 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 5: from the brain, and I think that's still but now 709 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 5: guys can problem solve with their legs. You know, it's 710 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: not the perfect play, it's not the perfect look, but 711 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 5: I can get out of trouble with my legs and 712 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 5: make a bad call, whether it's a bad offensive call 713 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 5: or just a bad call versus a defensive look. 714 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 4: And I can problem solve with my feet. 715 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: And I think that's something that we're seeing more and 716 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 5: more with quarterbacks today. 717 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: So as interesting, I'm gonna take you out of the 718 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: Patriots when but I'm talking about right now in quarterbacks 719 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of debate about rock Pert and 720 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 3: so everything that I hear you talk about problem solving 721 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: a calculus class, smart in those things. When I go 722 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: back and I look at rock Pert, now, I'm just 723 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: gonna use him as an example. Played a significant number 724 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: of games in college, was very successful as a winning quarterback. 725 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: We had a chance to see that on tape year 726 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: after year after year after year. Do you think the 727 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: Rock pretty example, is going to change a little bit 728 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: in terms of what we're looking for at that position 729 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: because he's been able to have so much success coming 730 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: from a low round draft status. 731 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think there's I think 732 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 5: it will. 733 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 7: But I still think as scouts were still often in 734 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 7: coaches and things like that, enamored by size, you know, 735 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 7: enamored by arm strength, and enamored by athletic talents, and 736 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 7: when you when you look at you know, Rock doesn't 737 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 7: maybe stand out on all of those different areas, but 738 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 7: he does stand out, Like you said it, Bucky stands 739 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 7: out as a winner. 740 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: He stands out as someone that worked in a pro 741 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 5: style offense. You know, was State had about. I felt 742 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 5: like sometimes they had like seven tight ends on the 743 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 5: field when when they were out there. But what I 744 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 5: think it does is it's going to have some people 745 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 5: pause and look at more of the intangibles, really focus 746 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 5: more on. 747 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 4: The neck up. And I still think you're going to 748 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 4: find those. 749 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 5: Guys at at a value place in the draft because 750 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 5: they're not going to have maybe the size and those 751 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 5: types of things that drive them up the draft board. 752 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 5: But it you know, we looked at Aidan O'Connell for example, 753 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 5: coming out of Purdue. 754 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 4: We saw a lot of those. 755 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 5: Traits, you know, that that that you know, Brock had 756 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 5: that he was successful with. 757 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: Now, you know, Brock has a little bit more athleticism than. 758 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 5: I think people you know, maybe gave him credit for 759 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 5: because you didn't see it at Iowa State all the time. 760 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 4: It was much a. 761 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 5: Three step or a five step in boom, get the 762 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 5: ball out. You didn't see a lot of you know, 763 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 5: maybe creativity or loose plays. 764 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 4: And he's done a little bit more of that. 765 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 5: But I think Rock's success can't stop you know, the 766 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 5: scouting world from you know, pausing a little bit and 767 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 5: looking a little bit deeper at those neck up traits 768 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 5: and making sure that we're not you know, just putting 769 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 5: a guy to the side and pushing him down the 770 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 5: draft board because maybe he isn't six four to twenty 771 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 5: five and can't throw at sixty yards. 772 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's that's great stuff. 773 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 5: Man. 774 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: This has been so fun, Dave, going going through all 775 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: these different topics. I've got one more for you, and 776 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: we appreciate your time. But uh, we're talking about, you know, 777 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: learning about players and evaluating players. One of the things 778 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 2: that's always fascinating to me is what are the right 779 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: questions to get the right answers, especially in a process 780 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 2: where in the draft, especially, these guys are so trained 781 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: up and they're so programmed. Did you have a go 782 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: to Was there a go to question when you're a 783 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 2: meeting with a free agent or maybe when you get 784 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: a chance to meet with some of these guys going 785 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: through the draft that you thought could have listened a 786 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: real answer that could help you. 787 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, it's a good question. And one 788 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 5: thing that we tried to do with Las Vegas. When 789 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 5: we're going to interview a player, too, is the interview 790 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 5: very specific to that player, And so we put a 791 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 5: lot of time on the front end, you know, understanding 792 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 5: instead of just having every interview the same understanding, what 793 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 5: were the things on this specific player that we needed 794 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 5: to dig out. What is our game plan? We had 795 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 5: a game plan, if you will, for each individual interview, 796 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 5: and you have your stop questions, but you also have 797 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 5: an individual game plan. 798 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 4: You know. One thing that we were always. 799 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 5: Curious about that I thought was that elicited some really 800 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 5: good answers and some really good insight when we talked 801 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 5: to players. It was it was kind of around the 802 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 5: It was kind of around the bigger picture of emotional intelligence. 803 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 5: And what we asked was, you know, what was what's 804 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 5: been the most difficult thing that you've experienced in your 805 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 5: athletic career, but also what's the most most difficult experience 806 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 5: that you've went through in your personal life? And how 807 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 5: did you handle that emotionally? Who did you lean on 808 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 5: in that process to get through it, how did you 809 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 5: come out the other end, and what did you learn 810 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 5: from it? And I think that quote in general, in 811 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 5: both of those areas, you can find a lot one 812 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 5: about someone's mental toughness, someone's general maturity, someone's. 813 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 4: How they look at life. Are they a pessimist, are 814 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 4: they an optimist? Did they use tools? And sometimes it's 815 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 4: you know, I really struggled mentally with this. I went 816 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 4: and sought some resources and you know, I talked to 817 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 4: a counselor and I worked with someone professionally to help 818 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 4: me get through that. To me, that's that was a positive, 819 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 4: you know, like looking at guys that use tools and 820 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 4: used resources and you know, and not that this is 821 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 4: a negative, but the bigger cause of concern was when 822 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 4: you had a guy that didn't have anything, you know, 823 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 4: that hadn't went through anything. 824 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 5: That didn't have something that they had really struggled with 825 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 5: or a tough thing to go in your personal life, 826 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 5: because you guys know, when you go into the league, 827 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 5: there's going to be adversity, there's going to be struggles 828 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 5: and challenges. And I was we were more concerned about 829 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 5: the guys that maybe they were very blessed to have 830 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 5: that lifestyle, but that that didn't have maybe some things 831 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 5: that they had to overcome, whether it was an injury 832 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 5: or whether it was something in their personal life, because 833 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 5: you didn't know how that was going to equate when 834 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 5: you know they're going to face challenges once they get 835 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 5: to the NFL. 836 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: I love it Buck another example of you know, you know, 837 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: as he didn't say, tell me how tough you are 838 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 2: on a scale of one to ten. Okay, cringe every 839 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: time I hear it. Hey gred this on a scale 840 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: of one to five, How would you grade this? Well 841 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: if you don't say, I mean, what are we doing here? 842 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: Anyways? 843 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: That's a great one. By the way, my mine and 844 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 2: we talked about this topic all the time. One of 845 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: the ones we've talked about together. That's a listening to 846 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: good answers going forward is is tell you, tell me, 847 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: walk me through your plan for a week. You played, 848 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 2: you played TCU on Saturday, it's Sunday morning. Walk me 849 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: through your week. 850 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: What was your plan? And the whole point being there's 851 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: no right plan. There's no wrong plan. Either you care 852 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: enough to have a plan or you don't. 853 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, per Sam, that was a staple for us too, 854 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 5: And that's a great question to you know, understand a 855 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 5: lot about someone's maturity, someone's passion for football. 856 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 4: Was it something where they were. 857 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 5: Kind of let on a leash, if you will, and 858 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 5: their plan was dictated by the staff, or was it 859 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 5: something that they created on their own. And that was 860 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 5: a great question to really dig on a person's, like 861 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 5: you just said it, their mindset, how they prepare, what 862 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 5: their maturity is, how much they care and all those 863 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 5: things from just a simple open ended question like. 864 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: That, no doubt. Well, Dave, this has been fun, man. 865 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: The time has flown by. 866 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 2: We kept you longer than we intended to, but it 867 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: was it was a blast. 868 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 5: Man. 869 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: It's just anytime you get scouts together, uh, you know, 870 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 2: we get a chance to have a lot of different 871 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: guests on here. But it just there's like some magic 872 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: that happens when you get guys that have that have 873 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: had that cheap coffee and pulled those long nights. 874 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: As I sat there and. 875 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 5: Well, any chance I can get on to talk football 876 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 5: with you guys, I would. 877 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 4: I'd love the opportunity. 878 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 5: It was fun and I appreciate, appreciate both of you 879 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 5: and what you guys do for for for the league too. 880 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 5: You guys, like I told these guys before I came 881 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 5: on for the for the listeners U when I was 882 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 5: on the pro side, these were two guys that I 883 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 5: would listen to to hear what was going on on 884 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 5: the college side and hear what you guys were seeing 885 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 5: and the prospects that you liked and things of that nature. 886 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 5: Because you guys have done it and so you guys 887 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 5: do a great job and it was, you know, fun 888 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 5: coming on. 889 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you taking the time for today. We'll 890 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 2: definitely do it again. There's a lot more ground we'd 891 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: love to cover in the meantime. Keep your head down, okay, 892 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 2: and then miss just keep that front arm block that. 893 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to do. 894 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 5: It's easier said than done, as we all know. 895 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 896 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 7: To Dave. 897 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: We appreciate you man big time. 898 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 4: All right, fellows, take care all right, Buck. 899 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: That was a fun conversation, man, Dave. I didn't I 900 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: didn't really know them going into that conversation. I didn't 901 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 2: want to go through all the Raiders stuff, but I 902 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 2: thought it was. It was fascinating, especially getting some of 903 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: that New England knowledge that we got there. 904 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 3: J I'm not gonna lie like like for me, it's 905 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 3: always a selfish project when we have guys from the Patriots, 906 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 3: because as a coach, you're always trying to figure out 907 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 3: what's the secret sauce to their long term success. 908 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 6: And just to hear him articulated one, it's. 909 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: Not only like what Bill Belichick does in terms of 910 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: on the field, but it's everyone clearly understanding what the 911 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 3: ideals of the organization are, what the values are, everyone 912 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 3: understanding their role and how clearly it was communicated. The 913 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 3: way that he was able to kind of spit that back. 914 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 3: You can tell that that has been hammered time and 915 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 3: time again. And I think that's what the good organization, 916 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: the good leaders do. They make sure everyone clearly understands. 917 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 3: Here's the mission, here's the vision, here's what we're about. 918 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 3: We talked about the non negotiables. I think it was 919 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 3: clear and a parent that they resonated with him. 920 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again a couple of things that we've talked 921 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 2: about in the past, like court corners. We've been talking 922 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 2: about that for years. Hey, you can't tackle, you can't 923 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 2: play anymore. Man, You're gonna get brought into the run fits. 924 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: It's hard. 925 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 6: You can't no more cover corners in our league. 926 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 3: Like if you want a good tackling defense, you got 927 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 3: to bring about good tacklers, and so everyone, all eleven 928 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 3: have to be able to get people. 929 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: Now, I have no doubt. 930 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 2: Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that one. It was 931 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: a fun one. Hope you have a wonderful weekend. 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