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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A suspect being questioned at this hour as a miss

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Speaker 2: USA Hopeful seemingly vanishes into thin air from work tonight.

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Speaker 1: Where is Cada?

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Speaker 2: We are being alled to believe that there is a

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Speaker 2: chance Cada is still alive. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours.

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Speaker 2: Ellie Law enforcement making a public statement in the disappearance

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Speaker 2: of Cada, the miss USA Hopeful and they are on

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Speaker 2: the search for a nineteen ninety nine gold Toyota Camry.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we will ask for your help and locating of

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Speaker 3: this vehicle, which you'll get a little more information. It's

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Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety nine metild gold Toyota Camery with a

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania tag of MSA X zero seven nine seven.

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Speaker 4: But we need to know where this car is. We

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Speaker 4: need to find this car.

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Speaker 5: It's a gold colored Camera nineteen ninety nine. It has

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Speaker 5: heavy front end damage on the left front bumper, all right,

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Speaker 5: that's been described that way several times. We know it's

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Speaker 5: been in the mount AIRYA area. We have photos of

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Speaker 5: it in Center City, we have pictures of it in

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Speaker 5: Grace Ferry area and in southwest Philadelphia, so it's possible

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Speaker 5: that it could be anywhere.

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Speaker 2: There is a very strong belief within LA law enforcement

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Speaker 2: that Kita has been in that Toyota camera, that gold

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Speaker 2: colored Toyota camera. This will not be the first time

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Speaker 2: a case has been sold because of damage to a car.

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Speaker 2: Let me refer you to the case of co Ed

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Speaker 2: Molly Tibbets, who was kidnapped. Her case cracked because of

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Speaker 2: damage to the kidnapper slash killers car. Can we find Cada.

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Speaker 2: I'll take you back into that press in just one moment.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm being joined by.

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Speaker 2: Special guest Joe Holden, Chief investigative reporter and anchor, CBS

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Speaker 2: News Philadelphia. Joe, thank you for being with us. A

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Speaker 2: suspect is being questioned right now. But what the public

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Speaker 2: can do, what we can do is look for that

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Speaker 2: gold colored Toyota camray. What else did we learn in

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Speaker 2: the press or.

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Speaker 6: Joe, Philadelphia Police essentially asking everybody in this city to

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Speaker 6: stop and remember if they've seen that car, or if

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Speaker 6: they're seeing it right now, to give them a call.

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Speaker 6: We also learned about a suspect now being held in

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Speaker 6: the case by the name of Keon King. He is

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Speaker 6: charged with Cada's kidnapping. They have the homicide unit on

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Speaker 6: this not because they believe that she is dead, but

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Speaker 6: they are using every experienced detective to try to locate

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Speaker 6: this sparkling, beautiful, twenty three year old and who went

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Speaker 6: missing on October fourth. One more thing. Keon King has

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Speaker 6: allegedly done this before. He was charged in January with

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Speaker 6: the abduction and strangulation of another woman. That woman did

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Speaker 6: not appear for the first court hearing, and then in

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Speaker 6: May the District Attorney's office withdrew the charges against Kon King.

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Speaker 6: They say this man is following a pattern of behavior.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 2: Joe Holden joining me, Chief investigative reporter and anchor, CBS

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Speaker 2: News Philadelphia, you were reminding me of a case I

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Speaker 2: prosecuted where the killer had strangled women before they lived.

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Speaker 2: They lived, He walked just like in this case, and

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Speaker 2: he ended up killing my victim. I'm not sure why

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Speaker 2: that strangulation victim did not go forward with the case,

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Speaker 2: but I guarantee you, Joe Holden, there's more in his

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Speaker 2: than that. You don't go from kindergarten to a law

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Speaker 2: degree overnight. There's something else lurking in this guy's background.

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Speaker 2: Kean King, Okay, I want to go through how she

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Speaker 2: went missing. From what we know, Joe, she goes missing

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Speaker 2: from where she was working. There's a lot of confusion

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Speaker 2: about what time she clocked out. This is a facility,

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Speaker 1: What is it, Joe? From where Kita goes missing.

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Speaker 6: So it's an assisted living facility in the Chestnut Hill

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Speaker 6: section of Philadelphia, beautiful part of town. We learned from

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Speaker 6: police just moments ago. She's at work for at most

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Speaker 6: twenty minutes. This is ten o'clock on a Saturday night,

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Speaker 6: October fourth. She clocks in and then she clocks out.

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Speaker 6: Police say, now she is in communication with this Keon

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Speaker 6: after that. Nancy, there are no cameras. There are no

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Speaker 6: cameras in the parking lot. Tell us that of all

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Speaker 6: of the evidence they could have, they are missing the

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: October fourth, Joe Holden, I do not believe that there

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Speaker 2: is not a scintilla a trace.

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Speaker 6: She literally vanishes, she vanishes, She's not I mean, how

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Speaker 1: First of all, Joe Holden, let me call you on something.

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Speaker 2: I find it very difficult to believe that it missed

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Speaker 2: at USA hopeful went willingly anywhere with Kean King.

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Speaker 1: You said they left together.

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Speaker 2: That may be true, but I don't know whether it

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Speaker 2: was willingly. Joe, I lived in the Chestnut Hill area

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Speaker 2: and this is not, uh the worst area of town.

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Speaker 4: Not in the least.

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Speaker 6: It is one of the nicer parts of Philadelphia. This woman,

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Speaker 6: we don't know how long she was interacting with this

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Speaker 6: know her phone goes dead not long after she leaves

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Speaker 6: her place of employment. It has not been on since,

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Speaker 6: according to investigators. But guess what. What information they did

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Speaker 6: and that other phone they then used to go all

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Speaker 6: over and track around her whereabouts. And then last week

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Speaker 6: there was this massive search at an arboretum three miles

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Speaker 6: that place upside down. Today we found out they really

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Speaker 6: didn't find anything useful in their investigation, but they've tracked

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Speaker 6: phones in and out of that property a few time since.

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Speaker 4: Police announced just last Wednesday that.

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Speaker 6: They were searching for this twenty three year old woman

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Speaker 6: and then boom, there are phones coming and going from

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Speaker 6: this property. They're tracking technology has police right on their tails.

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Speaker 6: And then today they make this arrest the charge of kidnapping,

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Speaker 6: and we got to wonder they wouldn't say, but what

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Speaker 6: statements or comments is mister King providing to investigators to

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Speaker 6: possibly lead them to Kata Scott.

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Speaker 4: Where is she?

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Speaker 2: Joe Holden is with US Chief Investigative Reporter anchor CBS

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Speaker 2: News Philadelphia. Joe, what I'm saying is when I was

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Speaker 2: living in the Philly.

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Speaker 1: Area, and this is way back after my.

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Speaker 2: Fiance was murdered, that was a safe, a very safe

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Speaker 2: area where that assistant living facility is. And what I'm

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Speaker 2: getting at is along that route there has to be

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Speaker 1: And that gold Camri, that Toyota.

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Speaker 2: Camray and that is why we got to find that

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Speaker 2: seven to all our trucker friends listening now, please help

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Speaker 2: us find this Toyota Camry A ninety nine gold in color. Again,

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Speaker 2: Joe Holden, I guarantee you somebody has a doorbell cam Now,

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to what you were saying

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Speaker 2: about the phones traveling together. I've seen that in a

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Speaker 2: lot of investigations. Specifically, just an example, I'll throw out

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Speaker 2: Alex Murdock. He was traveling along with his wife Maggie's

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Speaker 2: phone until it was thrown out the window. All right,

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Speaker 2: so that tells me she was in the car for

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Speaker 2: that period of time, but very quickly, according to the parents,

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Speaker 2: her phone started going straight to voicemail. What can you

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Speaker 2: tell me about the route the two phones traveled together?

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Speaker 6: So the route we know from leaving the assistant living facility.

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Speaker 6: Police are guarded in providing specific fix on that we

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Speaker 6: know that it is with then another phone, but they're

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Speaker 2: The fact that they're not saying anything, Joe Holden tells

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Speaker 2: me it's critical. They're probably looking all around this route

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Speaker 1: Did you get the.

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Speaker 2: Oppressure from law enforcement, Joe that they believe there's a

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Speaker 2: chance Kada is still alive.

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Speaker 6: That's how they're operating that we need to find Kata Scott.

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Speaker 6: We need to find miss Scott. We heard from the

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Speaker 6: District Attorney's office. They have so much manpower looking for

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Speaker 6: this beautiful, young, vibrant lady who competed in beauty pageants.

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Speaker 6: Her father told me last week she was sort of

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Speaker 6: new to it, but loved it, and they supported her.

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Speaker 6: They wanted her to go far, and her dreams were

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Speaker 6: find her, and they have a man that they believe

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Speaker 6: to be central to her disappearance sitting in the homicide

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Speaker 6: unit here in Center City Philadelphia, who has to answer

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Speaker 6: for what happened after they met up on Saturday, October.

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Speaker 1: Fourth, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I'm still not buying into the phraseology of meeting up.

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Speaker 2: I'm not down with that because this is a guy

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Speaker 1: What is she doing with him?

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Speaker 2: I also know that she said she had been being

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Speaker 2: there's absolute evidence that that is true. But I want

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Speaker 2: you and I are talking about Kada because we've been

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Speaker 2: investigating her. We've been researching her, We've been watching her,

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Speaker 1: Her all one.

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Speaker 2: I want everybody else to meet her. Joe, don't move,

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Speaker 2: Joe Holden. Everyone, here's Kada.

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Speaker 4: My name is Kita, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's up of content.

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Speaker 8: I want to do it.

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Speaker 7: Lifestyle fish and girl talks, but this is the same

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Speaker 7: thing for today's is pretty pretty pretty cendrius and also

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Speaker 4: With these pretty.

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Speaker 7: Perfect glass space pretty much.

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Speaker 9: Just going outside to look pretty, like, go to cafe

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Speaker 2: But that is from at one dash Cada on YouTube

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Speaker 2: Joe Holden. I swear I think I'm going to be sick.

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Speaker 2: She is so beautiful and vibrant, and she reminds me

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Speaker 2: so much of my daughter, you know, planning her outfits,

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Speaker 2: in her makeup, in school. This girl has just turned

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Speaker 2: twenty three. She's a little baby Joe.

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Speaker 4: Charming, beautiful, lovely.

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Speaker 6: She had plans, she had education plans, she had fashion plans.

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Speaker 6: And I know you're not buying that this whole meetup,

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Speaker 6: and maybe police are being guarded about the interactions, but

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Speaker 6: they're apparently now uncovering that she must have fallen into

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Speaker 6: the arms of a monster, of a predator, of a

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Speaker 6: still alive? They're asking the entire city to look around,

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Speaker 6: essentially for that Toyota Camery. Police said it had been

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Speaker 6: in Center City, Grace Ferry, all of these different neighborhoods

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Speaker 6: they're not even close to together. This car has been

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Speaker 2: Is he keeping her alive somewhere? Where is Kada?

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Speaker 2: Him driving all around does not give me a good feeling.

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Speaker 6: My thinking is that last week when police were crawling

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Speaker 2: Okay, explain to everyone what that is? And did law

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Speaker 6: The dogs were there, the cadets were there just to

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Speaker 6: Today they're saying was really not really successful in terms

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Speaker 1: Look at it. This is dance as a Jungle. Thank god.

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Speaker 7: Hi, everybody, my name is Kita.

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Speaker 10: And.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's up at concent. I want to

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Speaker 9: I think I want to do.

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Speaker 9: Perfect, glorious, pretty much just going outside to look pretty,

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Speaker 9: see what the day brings us.

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Speaker 10: Kata was building a life. She loved running businesses, volunteering,

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Speaker 1: At an LA law.

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Speaker 2: Enforcement press conference regarding Cada, they seem to indicate they

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Speaker 2: believe Kada is still alive. The miss USA hopeful vanishes

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Speaker 2: She is absolutely gorgeous. Let's dip into that pressor and

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Speaker 5: Our evidence is pretty clear that she was in communication

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Speaker 4: That individual appears to meet.

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Speaker 4: Off of the footprint.

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Speaker 5: We have a lot of digital evidence, video and other

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Speaker 2: Chion King recently tried to strangle a woman. She lived

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Speaker 2: then dropped the prosecution. She was at FTA failure to appear.

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Speaker 2: Why joining me an all star panel? But I want

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Speaker 2: to go straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons. You're joining us

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Speaker 2: Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading a team of expert

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Speaker 2: like that he is driving around all around town because

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Speaker 2: when I've seen that happens, it's off a normal route.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not like you going to work.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to your your site where you're working

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Speaker 1: It's none of that.

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Speaker 2: This is just driving aimlessly around Philadelphia and the suburban area.

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Speaker 1: Look, I lived in Philly.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of places you could hide a

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Speaker 1: They need to be doing right now, mis Gibbons.

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Speaker 11: As you saw in that Philly police press or Nancy,

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Speaker 11: They are tracking that vehicle all over the city. Now,

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Speaker 11: So right now, the public's role is to help find

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Speaker 11: that vehicle. What police are doing is everything at their disposal,

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Speaker 11: license plate readers, ring cameras, security cameras, any footage of

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Speaker 4: With Keon King's cell phone. That's what they're tracking right now.

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Speaker 2: Guys were showing you the car again. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: look at it. This is a ninety nine golden color

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Speaker 2: Looks like he sideswiped somebody at some point. That may

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Speaker 2: be the key to finding Cada. I'm also curious about

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Speaker 2: the moment they took him into custody for questioning where

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The reality is Derek Smith is joining me a criminal

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Speaker 2: defense attorney website dwsmith Legal dot com. Very often we

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Speaker 2: can get in a jousting competition with local carriers like

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Speaker 2: When there is an emergency, an emergency request by police

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Speaker 2: those records a lot more quickly. Agree disagree Derek Smith Absolutely, Nancy.

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Speaker 12: I mean in cases of emergencies, there's laws, there's statutes

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Speaker 12: in this situation, such as cell phone carriers, in order

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Speaker 1: Well, hold on, Derek Smith, don't go to com four

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Speaker 2: Listen, you throw out the phrase triangulate, Explain to everyone

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Speaker 12: So these cell phone providers, can you know, with the

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Speaker 12: They can use the pains off local cell phone towers

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Speaker 5: They may have gone.

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Speaker 2: Joining me as you met at earlier Bryan Fitzgibbons, USPA

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Speaker 1: I find that to be very primitive. In other words,

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Speaker 2: Like, if you got up from that seat and that

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Speaker 2: I would assume there was an emergency similar to what

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Speaker 1: She had never done that before, well out of the

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Speaker 11: Nancy, and we also see in the videos that she's

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Speaker 11: She's got a prayer wall hung up on an on

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Speaker 2: Now this is a warming but looks can be desaving.

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Speaker 3: Making it very clear that the case was shifted to

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Speaker 2: Very often we see a case go from kidnapping to

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Speaker 11: You're going to have more detectives in that work homicide

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Speaker 11: country number of.

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Speaker 2: Times, guys, the case has been it's been declared now

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Speaker 2: a joint effort between kidnapping and homicide. Homicide has a

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Speaker 2: lot lot more resources, detectives, power.

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Speaker 1: Expertise, you name it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why that's the cream of the crop that

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Speaker 2: goes to homicide. I want to go to doctor Jerlyn

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Speaker 2: Utter joining as clinical psychologist specializing in psychological evaluations and

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Speaker 2: risk assessments for people involved in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 2: She's the author of main lining Philly. Doctor, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. I would like to get in

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Speaker 2: your mind just a moment to discuss the psychopathy behind

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Speaker 2: someone that kidnaps a young woman and then keeps her hostage.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so when you talk about somebody like Kean King,

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Speaker 8: you want to keep a couple of things in mind.

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Speaker 8: The first thing is we know that he has engaged

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Speaker 8: in kidnapping and strangulation in the past, and unfortunately, what

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Speaker 8: happened with that case is that he was not rimanded,

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Speaker 8: he was not charged. And when you think like that,

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Speaker 8: when you're somebody that has gotten a way with hurting somebody,

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Speaker 8: with kidnapping a woman, and there's been absolutely no type

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Speaker 8: of repercussion. What happens is we tend to see an

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Speaker 8: escalation of violent behavior. There's complete disregard, and there's also

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Speaker 8: a sense of entire when you look at psychopathy, that

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Speaker 8: he keeps getting away with it. I'm smarter, They didn't

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Speaker 8: catch me this time. I'm bold and boldened to continue

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Speaker 8: to escalate behavior and do what he wants to do,

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Speaker 8: essentially in order to you know, like feed his own needs,

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Speaker 8: wants and desires. Because there hasn't been an opportunity where

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Speaker 8: he has been checked by the law or checked by anyone,

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Speaker 8: his behavior from a risk assessment perspective, will continue to escalate.

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Speaker 2: You know what I find interesting about what you just

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Speaker 2: said so many things, jerlen Utter.

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 2: Look at the fact that when he strangled the last victim,

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Speaker 2: it was apparently to subdue her.

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Speaker 1: She lived.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean again, when you talk about something you know,

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Speaker 8: like strangulation, and him trying to do that in an

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Speaker 8: effort to quiet her or to keep her. The intention

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Speaker 8: may not have initially been to kill her, but to

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Speaker 8: quiet her. However, there's a lot of other things that

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Speaker 8: are at play. You know, this is somebody that's putting

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Speaker 8: their hands around someone's neck and they're strangling. Then he

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Speaker 8: doesn't know, he's not a medical professional, he doesn't know

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Speaker 8: how far he can go before he can actually kill

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Speaker 8: her or really, you know, hurt someone. The other thing

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Speaker 8: that we really want to think about, and I understand

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Speaker 8: that it's really easy to be angry, rightfully, so at

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Speaker 8: somebody with such a violent history and then has such

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Speaker 8: violent behavior, is is there another severe mental illness at

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Speaker 8: play here? Yes, we're talking about somebody that can be

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Speaker 8: a sociopath that has no respect for women. You know

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Speaker 8: that he perhaps wanted to assault her and hurt her. However,

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Speaker 8: is there something else that's happened on her? We don't

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Speaker 8: know that.

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Speaker 2: You are not in any way suggesting just because someone

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Speaker 2: is a violent criminal that they have a mental illness.

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Speaker 2: I hope that's not where you're going, because we have

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Speaker 2: no indication at all Kean King has any type of

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Speaker 2: mental illness, just that he's mad as hell.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well you can be that. You can be a

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Speaker 8: total scumbag, you can be mean as hell, you can

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Speaker 8: be in evil person. My suggestion is that both of

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Speaker 8: these things can happen at the same time. One of

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Speaker 8: them can happen, and you can just be pure evil.

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Speaker 8: So it would be very interesting as homicide continues to

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Speaker 8: question this individual to see if there's also anything else

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Speaker 8: at play, not as an excuse, but to gain more

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Speaker 8: of an understanding of perhaps why he engaged in this behavior.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think right now, doctor Utter, that what we

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Speaker 2: need to focus on is finding Kada as opposed to

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Speaker 2: answering the fundamental question of what the hell is wrong

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: I don't really care what's wrong with him. I want

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Speaker 1: to find this girl alive.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exploring or splunking whether he is mentally ill.

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Speaker 2: He's driving around town and a ninety nine gold prior

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Speaker 2: to Camery with this girl in it against her will?

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Speaker 1: Why why ask why? I want to focus on would.

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Speaker 2: He keep her alive? Is she alive tonight? His last

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Speaker 2: victim chapt alive.

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Speaker 1: So I've got two choices.

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Speaker 2: Either that's his mo motus operandi, method of operation, that's

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Speaker 2: what he does, which indy case Katea.

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Speaker 1: Could be alive, Or that's him with his baby.

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Speaker 2: Training mills on and he's graduated to something worse.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm going take a listen to this.

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Speaker 6: She was last seen a week ago tomorrow night, shortly

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Speaker 6: after arriving for her shift at an assisted living facility

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Speaker 6: in Chestnut Hill. She was at work for a brief

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Speaker 6: period of time, and that's it. That's the last trace

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Speaker 6: of her, according to police. Her workplace three miles from

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Speaker 6: where the search is underway right now. Police wouldn't say

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Speaker 6: how long their investigation may take here.

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Speaker 13: She came home at nine forty five pm Saturday night

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Speaker 13: on October the fourth, and then left out that five

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry, left out at nine to fifty that night

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Speaker 13: to go leave for work and the normal any other

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Speaker 13: night she came in. She says, she got a little

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Speaker 13: word ten and six am, and then she needed to

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Speaker 13: use the cause. Okay, she lef out.

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Speaker 2: Some of that from our friends at CBS Philadelphia. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get to the bottom of her exact

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Speaker 2: movements and what happened that night. We also learn that

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Speaker 2: a lot of investigative work was done at that arboretum

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Speaker 2: that you keep hearing about, and we're showing you video

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Speaker 2: of that. It's very densely forested area. It covers over

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Speaker 2: fifty six acres it's vast, it's huge.

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Speaker 1: It's been there for over one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: This video from our friends at Philly CBS. There's a

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Speaker 2: million places that she could be within this arboretum. This

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Speaker 2: is from our friends at CBS three and ky W TV.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what we know of what happened

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Speaker 2: that night.

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Speaker 14: Listen, Elise are desperate lease searching for miss Pennsylvania hopeful

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Speaker 14: twenty three year old Kata Scott, a reason penns day grad.

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Speaker 14: Last scene at the terrace at chest Nut Hill. Shortly

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Speaker 14: after clogging in for an overnight shift at the nursing Homeaturday,

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Speaker 14: October fourth, Kada did not return home, her car found

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Speaker 14: still part of the facility. Kata five foot six, one

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Speaker 14: hundred and twenty pounds long, black hair, wearing black scrubs.

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Speaker 14: Anyone with information Philadelphia PD at two point five six

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Speaker 14: eighty six tips.

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Speaker 13: Never came back on Sunday morning at all. She supposed

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Speaker 13: She supposed it out off at six am.

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Speaker 4: I'll regover.

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Speaker 13: Around ten thirty am, she nod in the room the

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Speaker 13: way to we found I still calling the phone straight

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Speaker 13: the voicemail.

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Speaker 4: She will always come home regardless, and.

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Speaker 13: Then she would never have her phone off that lone

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Speaker 13: ever shell always find her charge lead Kiah, Something's wrong,

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Speaker 13: CBS Philly.

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Speaker 10: Kato worked overnight shifts at a senior care facility on

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Speaker 10: the night she disappeared. She left her ship early, something

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Speaker 10: completely out of character. She didn't call her family, didn't

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Speaker 10: check in, and hasn't been heard from since.

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Speaker 2: Right now on APB out for a gold Toyota Camra.

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Speaker 2: It has a lot of much to the driver's side

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Speaker 2: front along the entire driver's side.

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Speaker 1: Look at it.

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Speaker 2: Tag number M mother s sirius x X ray zero

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Speaker 2: seven nine seven msx zero seven nine seven.

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Speaker 1: Well more do we know? Listen?

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Speaker 14: Kata's mother says the nursing home, giving conflicting information on

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Speaker 14: how long Kata stayed. They first report Kata works her

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Speaker 14: entire shift, but later say she went on break around

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Speaker 14: ten forty and did not return. Another employee says Kata

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Speaker 14: clocked in to relieve a co worker, but walked out

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Speaker 14: with that coworker ten fifteen. There are no security cameras

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Speaker 14: in or outside the building.

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Speaker 6: So Philadelphia Police detectives are asking the public for any

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Speaker 6: information that may help them locate twenty three year old

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Speaker 6: Kata Scott. The young woman last seen at work on

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Speaker 6: Saturday night around nine forty five at the Area Nursing

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Speaker 6: Home in chest Out Hill, where she had clocked in

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Speaker 6: for a shift. Now here's what detectives are telling us.

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Speaker 6: Scott clocks in and then clocks out rather quickly and

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Speaker 6: did not work a full shift.

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Speaker 4: Scott's mother reported her missing.

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Speaker 2: The following deck that from our friend Joe holding it

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Speaker 2: Cemius Philly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the mother calls.

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Speaker 2: Kata's mother calls when she doesn't hear from Kata, and

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Speaker 2: this is what she says happened.

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Speaker 1: Conflicting stories.

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Speaker 13: So I called on Sunday one around eleven am. Whoever

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Speaker 13: answered the telephone stated that she checked with the supervisor

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Speaker 13: and Kata worked her full shift from ten pm to

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Speaker 13: six am, and she wasn't there currently. So I said, okay,

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Speaker 13: you know, and then I left her. I saw calling

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Speaker 13: the hospitals and everything around in the early afternoon because

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Speaker 13: I was concerned. I was thinking, maybe we said car

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Speaker 13: accident something, you know, she just not not going to

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Speaker 13: come home and sleep, and even if she went somewhere else,

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Speaker 13: she's still would have came home first. So or afternoon

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Speaker 13: I was calling the hospital. So at that point the

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Speaker 13: phone contact with her father and then he said he

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Speaker 13: didn't hear from us.

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Speaker 4: So we start calling nine one.

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Speaker 2: One CBS Philly straight out of Sydney Sumner Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter. The mom got conflicting stories and the first thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, Sydney, that must be done is to nail

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Speaker 2: down the timeline.

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Speaker 1: What do we know?

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Speaker 15: So she left home at nine to fifty pm to

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Speaker 15: make it to her ten PM shift. The nursing home

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Speaker 15: is not far from her home at all, just about

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Speaker 15: a mile and a half. So Tata arrives around ten

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Speaker 15: PM for her shift, she clocks in, and she's gone

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Speaker 15: by ten twenty. This according to Philadelphia PD. Now, first,

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Speaker 15: the nursing home said that Taita worked her entire shift

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Speaker 15: and didn't leave until after six am. But we call

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Speaker 15: back and we learn, oh, well, maybe she left on

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Speaker 15: break at ten forty and that's the last time we

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Speaker 15: see her. No, maybe she walked out with an employee

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Speaker 15: at ten fifteen. So lots of conflicting information, but it's

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Speaker 15: been confirmed she was there for just about twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I find that.

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Speaker 2: Very disturbing that for the first time she leaves work early.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to circle back to what we know

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Speaker 2: about Keon King and his quote similar transaction.

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Speaker 16: When I picked up this investigation, one of the things

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Speaker 16: that our office also learned was that he did have

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Speaker 16: a previous case. It was a twenty twenty five case

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Speaker 16: for very similar conduct strangulation and kidnapping. That case had

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Speaker 16: been withdrawn by our office based on the witness failing

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Speaker 16: to appear at court.

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Speaker 1: I pulled that file.

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Speaker 16: And after an extensive review of it, our office made

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Speaker 16: the decision to refile those charges.

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Speaker 2: Now they're thinking of refiling those charges. That is a ploy.

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith joining me veteran at criminal defense attorney. When

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Speaker 2: you suspect somewhat of wrongdoing and this is completely constitutional,

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Speaker 2: so don't tune.

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Speaker 1: Up on that. Smith.

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Speaker 2: You find another offense you know they did, and you

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Speaker 2: charge them.

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Speaker 1: Then they're stuck.

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Speaker 2: They're behind bars and you have a chance to find cada.

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Speaker 1: You see where I'm going with this. Explain what they're doing.

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Speaker 12: Well, Nancy. They're trying to put heat on this guy.

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Speaker 12: I mean, why why would he talk? He has no

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Speaker 12: reason to talk. I mean I tell a lot of

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Speaker 12: my clients, you know, if you don't have any present

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Speaker 12: or another council there with you, it's probably not in

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Speaker 12: your best interest to talk because you're going to incriminate

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Speaker 12: yourself or give them information that can lead to a

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Speaker 12: possible other issue that you might have. So they're going

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Speaker 12: to need to find something on this guy and whether

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Speaker 12: it was a previous indictment that they dismissed without.

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Speaker 2: Press Excuse me, put him up, Derek Smith, what do

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Speaker 2: you mean they're going to need to find something? It

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Speaker 2: fell on their head, please on a silver plat the

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Speaker 2: top of a Christmas tree. They don't have to go looking,

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Speaker 2: and me, Sherlock Holmes. He's already strangled one woman and

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Speaker 2: she dropped charges. Hello, they don't have to go searching.

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Speaker 2: It's right there there. And Diet the case of the

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Speaker 2: other strangulation.

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Speaker 12: Well, well the problem with that is why do they

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Speaker 12: drop it in the first place. I mean, if there

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Speaker 12: was no substance on the problem to bring the case

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Speaker 12: forward without the victim, that's why they had to drop

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Speaker 12: the case initially. But I understand, you know, bring in

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Speaker 12: the case back up, Get this man in this system,

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Speaker 12: get him back behind bars, put some heat on him

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Speaker 12: to question him as to where Kada is find this girl?

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Speaker 4: Is what is happening right?

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Speaker 12: Now is they're going to question him and what evidence

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Speaker 12: do they have besides right now the cell phone that

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Speaker 12: he has, and he does have a prior but that

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Speaker 12: prior was dropped, so he does not have a prior

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Speaker 12: charge right now. He is a prior dismissed without prejudice indictment,

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Speaker 12: meaning that the state can bring it back. And I

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Speaker 12: believe that they are now from what you've told me,

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Speaker 12: and that will help to put the heat on him

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Speaker 12: to make him talk about what he knows about Kada.

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Speaker 12: How can we find it hurt?

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Speaker 2: Darry Smith, I don't like anything that you just said.

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Speaker 1: Number one.

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Speaker 2: I guess you what looked in your defense attorney Crystal Ball,

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Speaker 2: and you could divine why the charge was dropped last time.

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Speaker 1: It was very clearly.

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Speaker 2: Dropped because the victim was afraid to go forward. It's

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Speaker 2: not that the case didn't the state didn't have evidence.

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Speaker 2: The victim was an FTA failure to appear. That's why

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Speaker 2: the case did not go forward. All this requires is

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Speaker 2: a little drive over to her house and and ask

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Speaker 2: her what happened, get her on recording, and go and

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Speaker 2: dit it. That's what is required right now. So you

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Speaker 2: acted like the state didn't have the evidence. The evidence

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Speaker 2: didn't want to testify.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have an.

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Speaker 2: Initial police report and we have the witness, if she's

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Speaker 2: still alive. Now let's talk about what exactly happened in

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Speaker 2: that case. Now, one thing you said I agree with.

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Speaker 2: They're going to put the heat on him, and I

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Speaker 2: mean red hot, so they can find Cada and they're

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Speaker 2: going to use this prior aggravated assault on another female victim.

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Speaker 2: He probably looks a lot like Kada. In my experience,

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Speaker 2: a particular type of victim is picked out and they're

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Speaker 2: going to use that case and they're going to find

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Speaker 2: out where kDa is. That's my hope. But let's hear

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Speaker 2: some more about those particulars. Listen, Derek Smith.

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Speaker 16: That case is then an individual that was known to

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Speaker 16: him a domestic aniere. And what I can say is

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Speaker 16: the allegations in that case are that he kidnapped a

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Speaker 16: woman in front of her house, threw in her car,

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Speaker 16: assaulted her, and then eventually let her out of the car.

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Speaker 16: There is some video evidence I believe that'll be plays

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Speaker 16: of preliminary hearing, But that was domestic in nature.

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Speaker 2: And do you have a time about when that happened?

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Speaker 1: It was this year.

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Speaker 16: In twenty twenty five, the case was with John and

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Speaker 16: May Dear Lord in Heaven.

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Speaker 2: This is a fingerprint crime, Fitzgibbons, help me out. Did

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Speaker 2: you hear what Ellie just said in the other case

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Speaker 2: and this was not that long ago, it was in.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It is a female victim domestic in nature. In other words,

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Speaker 2: he knows the female. They're having some kind of a relationship. Listen,

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Speaker 2: he kidnapped her in front of her house. Here Kate

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Speaker 2: is taken in front of her workplace. We believe throws

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Speaker 2: her in a car, ringing a bell the gold Toyota carry,

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Speaker 2: assaulted her, which I assume to be a sex assault.

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Speaker 1: Can't yell and maybe maybe he beat.

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Speaker 2: Her and then eventually let her out of the car.

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Speaker 1: It's a fingerprint crime, fits Gibbons.

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Speaker 11: It sounds almost exactly like what could be happening here,

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Speaker 11: except the added echelon that maybe he only knew Kada

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Speaker 11: through social media and that this subject has gotten more

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Speaker 11: aggressive as time has got on. So you know, certainly

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Speaker 11: we have to find that. You know, police are going

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Speaker 11: to find that us victim and hopefully be able to

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Speaker 11: move forward with those charges.

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Speaker 4: So they stick that too.

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Speaker 2: Our renowned psychologist joining US doctor darryln Utter. She's a

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Speaker 2: producer of Utter Nonsense, an exploratory documentary. It's on Apple

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Speaker 2: streaming and Prime Video. Doctor Jerry, if I may call

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Speaker 2: you that, I know this is a fundamental question you

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Speaker 2: ask yourself every day.

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Speaker 1: What is wrong with him? Did he not learn from

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Speaker 1: the first time he strangled a woman.

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Speaker 2: Assaulted her, threw her in a car, assaulted her, kidnapped

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Speaker 2: her in a place where she thought she was secure,

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Speaker 2: and then throws her out. It's the same thing all

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Speaker 2: over again. I just pray to God Kita is still alive.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not about him learning anything, because he's clearly

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Speaker 8: a disturbed individual. Actually this part of my language. But

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Speaker 8: this turned him on even more. This kind of turned

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Speaker 8: up his barometer for violence and for testing the limits

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Speaker 8: and whatever other type of de v and t's going on.

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Speaker 8: We don't know if she was sexually assaulted the other

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Speaker 8: female or beaten, you know, to your point, but whatever happens,

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Speaker 8: it kind of wet his appetite even more so. Hence

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Speaker 8: him then you know, perhaps going and going after somebody

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Speaker 8: like Kata, who made your point, be similar in a

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Speaker 8: lot of ways. To the other female that he had

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Speaker 8: assaulted earlier this year.

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Speaker 4: She disappeared off social media, so it's concerning.

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Speaker 5: You know, any young people today that can't live without

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Speaker 5: having a phone in her hand, So that's that's a concern.

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Speaker 5: You left her car behind it. It's certainly something that's

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Speaker 5: not usual of somebody who's missing voluntarily. It's a troubling

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Speaker 5: missing person report. It's certainly troubling. So we don't know

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Speaker 5: if foul play was involved, but we certainly see some

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Speaker 5: signs that this person wasn't voluntarily missing. So because of that,

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Speaker 5: we're doing everything we can to figure out who she

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Speaker 5: contacted and where she is now.

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Speaker 9: Cata, she's a really postal cards thing like SU's marcoson

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Speaker 9: than I am and let's say kay when not times

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Speaker 9: to heart and deliver.

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Speaker 13: I got even more worthy even hearing it was scary,

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Speaker 13: but when I talked to her and I didn't get

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Speaker 13: take bait.

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Speaker 1: We definitely confer name.

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Speaker 2: CBS Philly multiple reports that Kata was being harassed just

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Speaker 2: before she went missing.

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Speaker 6: Earlier this week, police said Kata Scott had been harassed

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Speaker 6: by someone. I asked police if they've been able to

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Speaker 6: identify who that person may be. A Deputy Commissioner said

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Speaker 6: he wouldn't comment on any possible interviews. The department has conducted.

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Speaker 13: Haras threat and so we're a little concerned because she

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Speaker 13: didn't tell us, of course, but other her friends and

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Speaker 13: you know, she didn't mention it to them. We didn't

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Speaker 13: give any names, any names or anything like that. So

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Speaker 13: we're trying to piece everything together to find out, Issachy,

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Speaker 13: who lease people.

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Speaker 2: Are, who was harassing Kata? Was it Keon King? We

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Speaker 2: wait and pray tonight as justice unfolds. That sound from

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Speaker 2: our friends at CBS Philly and now we remember an

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Speaker 2: American hero, Deputy Sheriff Charles Riley, Parish Sheriff's Louisiana, shot

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Speaker 2: in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife

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Speaker 2: and two beautiful daughters. American hero Deputy Sheriff Charles Riley

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend