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Speaker 1: Hello again, everybody, and welcome to Big Blue kick Off

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Speaker 1: Live here on Giants dot Com. I am Paul to Tino.

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Speaker 1: He is super Bowl champion. Jeff Eagles, you know who

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Speaker 1: kick off this edition of the program by looking at

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Speaker 1: a story that Dan Solomon wrote on giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: It was a response story with a good story. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think anything Dan writes a good man. It comes

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Speaker 1: off of UH Pro Football focuses Top hundred in one

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Speaker 1: list of the season. Now you know how the NFL

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Speaker 1: UH network does its pole with the players and ask

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Speaker 1: for the top one. Well, apparently Pro Football Focus. And

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Speaker 1: you know how I feel about well, you know how

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Speaker 1: I feel about analytics people. I think that they are

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Speaker 1: they are the oregano on the pizza. They should never

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Speaker 1: be counted on as the dough or the sauce. There's

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Speaker 1: simply the oregano. I like that analogy. But having said that, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, I do think it was interesting and

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Speaker 1: Dan found it interesting and interestingly enough or interested enough

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Speaker 1: in the story to write, uh something off of it.

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Speaker 1: The Giants had three players on Pro Football Focuses Top

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Speaker 1: one oh one. I don't know why it's one on

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Speaker 1: have been on the last year. Correct. So this is like,

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Speaker 1: I guess the prelimb for what the NFL network is

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Speaker 1: gonna do. They'll have their own when they come out

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Speaker 1: later on in the year. Alright. So sa Gran Barkley

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Speaker 1: did make the list. Surprise, surprise, what's he doing on this? Uh?

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Speaker 1: seventy on the list. Those were the guys who made

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins did not make the list. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: But from from a grading perspective, he did pretty well. Right.

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Speaker 1: about anchovies. I'm not an anchovies fan. I'm a Ravioli fan.

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Speaker 1: from Dan Zeke Elliott and Todd Gurley did not make

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Speaker 1: fooling with me, right? And there's five and there's five

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Speaker 1: See folks wait. Dan Solomon is is producing for US today,

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Speaker 1: Uh taking the phone call, So say hi to Dan,

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Speaker 1: call us up at two to your calls on a minute.

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna beat you. We're gonna beat you that

424
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Speaker 1: way vertical. However, I am with you. I love the

425
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: back shoulder, especially on third down conversions, second and long.

426
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: Something that you can get move the chains with. It's

427
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: it's good. I mean that that nobody could stop plaques

428
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: a going the day with that back shoulder throw Key Knicks,

429
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: Kee Knicks exactly whose did it too? Yeah? And now

430
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: Keem Knicks was not big. He was only six one, right.

431
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: He had length though, and he also had great hands

432
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: and he and he was physically strong when he when

433
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: he went for the ball, it was gonna it was

434
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for a dB. I would fight him

435
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: for a ball. So I think they need one of

436
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: those two. So there's my sex. If you want to

437
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: say five and say the the edge rusher and you know,

438
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: and the the the end linebackers, one that comes out

439
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: to five. But so I'm saying, and I think if

440
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Speaker 1: they get those spots failed, this is this is a

441
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: playoff or maybe you know, I think the most important

442
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: thing is to fill those spots on the defensive side. Um,

443
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: if I had to give you the two, you only

444
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: have to you have one on offense and one on defense.

445
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: We already know on offense where we're going. We know

446
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: the right tackle position is the one. And on defense

447
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: it's going to be what it's gotta be the safety.

448
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: It's gotta be the safety. It's you know why. But

449
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: here here's what I don't know. I don't know. If

450
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm asking and then I'll tell you much, Okay, go ahead.

451
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do with Olivier Vernon,

452
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: because if Olivia Burnon becomes a cap casualty now you

453
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: gotta put the edge rushers number one. And guess what,

454
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna know that there's a lot of edge rushers

455
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yes, okay, so you should be able

456
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: to get one exactly. So let's just I'm gonna say

457
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: that Olivier is back in this scenario. Okay, Okay, I

458
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be back or not. But

459
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: in this scenario and James Betcher's defense, you look at

460
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: what the honey Badger did. I thought he was more

461
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: of a strong safety than a free safety. You gotta

462
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: have a guy back there that knows how to run

463
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 1: that defense in the right way. And and and if

464
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: Landon Collins is not here because of whatever the non

465
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: friend you know, no, they don't franchise him or he

466
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: leaves and create whatever it is, You've got to address

467
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: that position. No matter what. You gotta have a guy

468
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: back there because his defense is very complicated and he

469
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: wants to get this. He wants to Betcher's defense is

470
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: a blitzing defense, even though they didn't do it last year.

471
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: His story, that's what they want to do. I gotta

472
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: have a safety to safeties to understand the defense. See,

473
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: I've settled along that the edge rusher was the most

474
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: important part on defense. I still think I feel that way,

475
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of way run a little bit now

476
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know what's gonna happen with

477
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: both Vernon and with Landon Collins. Imagine this if if

478
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: for some reason neither guy is back. Now you have

479
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: huge holes in both spots. And and we've seen how

480
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: the Giants without quality safeties get hammered with big play

481
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: after big play after big play. We saw it last year.

482
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: And when where does where do you need those? Where

483
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: do you need to mention always you don't want that, Jeff,

484
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna. I'm I'm a racing I'm going back

485
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: to the edge of I And there's no argument. I

486
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: don't think there's a right or wrong answer here. But

487
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: and both of these. You gotta have both of these

488
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: to win games. And what the Giants didn't do last

489
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: year and many of their games was closed them out

490
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: by a big pass rush, strip, bumble sack or a

491
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: safety that makes a play right without questions, without question. Giants,

492
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: instead of winning five they could have on eight games

493
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: last year if they had pressure on the quarterback at

494
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: certain times, and they could cover and not give up

495
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: big plays on defense and and be able to hold

496
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: the lead when then the Giants offense gave the lead

497
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: to the defense so many times in the fourth quarter

498
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: last year. Without having these playmakers, You're you're at a handicap.

499
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: You gotta go get him, alright, So follow my math

500
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: for a second. If you're not a good math guy, no, no,

501
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you could do this. It's pretty simple. If you're gonna

502
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: go with me on, Let's say the six important contributors

503
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: that need to be acquired in the off season. Let's

504
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: assume you're on board with that. Okay, I think two

505
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: of them have to come be a free agency and

506
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: you've got to go get the other four in the draft.

507
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: He just got four this past off season in the draft.

508
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that's too much to ask to go

509
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: get four more in this draft because I see him

510
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: and this is why I keep telling people he's not

511
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: going to go into this draft naked of third round picks.

512
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: Right now, he's only got two in the first one hundred.

513
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: He will come up with. He's gonna wheel and deal.

514
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: He's going to get at least another pick in the

515
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: top hundred. If not the top seventy five. You gotta

516
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: do that because not only do you want the youth,

517
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: but you also want to keep the economics down. You

518
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: can't afford to go spending money for more important free agents.

519
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: They don't have it. They have some thirty million dollars.

520
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of money, right, So you you

521
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: like to make up and what I'm what I'm going for,

522
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: I do and I like the make up because the

523
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: math works. Because this this draft is a very defensive

524
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: heavy draft. So if you want to go and get

525
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: your free agencies on offense, go get them, maybe one

526
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: one on offense, one on defense. But you you can

527
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: be heavy handed on defense in this draft because they're there.

528
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of players in this draft, defensively good

529
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: players because there are so many of them that you're

530
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: to be able to get some in the second and

531
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: third round, which you've got to have a third round

532
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: pick to get one if you don't. You know what

533
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So there's this this kind of makes sense

534
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: to your point, is that there will be there because

535
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: of this such a rich defensive draft this year. What

536
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that because let's just say there's twenty

537
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: five guys this year that they are there, there's you know,

538
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe the top three or here, but the rest of

539
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: them are bunched in. You know that that eighth guy,

540
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: you could get him in a late second round or

541
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: top of the third, whatever it is. You never know

542
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: these guys are. This is how thick it is. Well.

543
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I think it was Ledyard from the Draft Network who

544
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: was on a show about a month ago and he said,

545
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: I believe that there are seventy percent of the first

546
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: three rounds are going to be defensive players. Yeah. There

547
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you go and say, okay, so if that's the number

548
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: your third round pick in this year's draft, because there's

549
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: so many good players, you're gonna be able to get

550
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: a really quality player at the third round pick that

551
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: maybe the next year or the year before would have

552
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: been a second rounder. You know, so in any event, Uh,

553
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at. Let's go back to the

554
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: phone lines to five one three, Matt. You are online

555
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: four your from Long Island. Hello, you want to trade

556
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: Long Island? Hi? All right, all right, I'm gonna throw.

557
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a trade out there after you guys,

558
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: what do you got? And before I go throw it

559
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: out there. I just want to be on the record saying,

560
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: even though I love se Kwan and every Giant fan

561
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: love seak One, I love him, I wanted Donal. So

562
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I just want to be out there saying I wanted

563
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's okay now that I said that. To me,

564
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: everything you guys are talking about is right on, except

565
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: we do need a quarterback. In my mind, if you

566
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: stay with the ELI one more year, so be it.

567
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm not an Eli hater. I love Eli. I'm a

568
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Chiant fan. Of course you gotta love Eli. But this

569
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: is the trade that makes sense to both teams. So

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: hear me out and tell me what you think. What

571
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: do you want to do. I think Oh b J

572
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: should be moved because I don't think you could keep

573
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: se Kuan. I think it will be j will get

574
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: very jealous as the Giant stands love se Quon and

575
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: they really get into the Sea Kwan thing. I think

576
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: that might erk O b J a little bit. So

577
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: this is how I think we can make some sense

578
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you if we took O b J and we traded

579
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: him to Arizona. I think Josh Rosen is a very

580
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I understands his stats this year, I don't

581
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: want to hear about he had a rookie coach that

582
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: already got caught. His offensive line was worse than our

583
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: offensive line, so you can't really look at his stats.

584
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: But he would have been a top a top five

585
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: pick possibly last year. They were worried more about his

586
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: mental than they were about his physical. But I think

587
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: if you put him a year behind Eli and you

588
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: trade O. B J for Rosen, but I also want

589
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: their first pick in the second round, So I want O.

590
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: B J and their number one pick in the second round.

591
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: You know which is the first pick second round. Then

592
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: you turn around. We got the nun a six pick,

593
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: which we could get in whatever we don't get in

594
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: free agency. We could either get an offensive tackle, we

595
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: could get an edge rusher, safety, what corner, whatever you want.

596
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: And then you've got two guys that you're getting in

597
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: the second round, the first pick, and then six weeks

598
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: later and all of a sudden, you keeping the value down.

599
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, we don't we don't have the money to spend.

600
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: So you've got three quality players in the tops and

601
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you got the quarterback of the future, which I believe

602
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Rosen could be. I'm a big USC fans. So I

603
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: watched Rosen and Darnel. I watched everything out and the

604
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Pact well forever. And I understand everyone worries about him,

605
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: but you know, people are talking about the Patriots are

606
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: looking at him. If the Patriots are looking at him,

607
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: they know what kind of quality is. He's not Brady,

608
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: but maybe he could sit behind Brady. Then he could

609
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: sit behind Eli. And I think it helps us in

610
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And when we have we

611
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: have people that we gotta plug in. We need an

612
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. We're gonna need to receive h to take

613
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: over for beckham Let alone. We probably need the skyscrape,

614
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: but that Paul's talking about, we need the edge Russian.

615
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: We need a safety linebacker. In a quarterback, I think

616
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: if you could get more draft picks, because if you

617
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: don't get Haskins at six, what are we gonna have

618
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: to give up to get happy? You know, to get

619
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback? Well, where are we getting this mythical quarterback?

620
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Because I don't see it. I don't know. We obviously

621
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: don't throw games, so we're not gonna be so low

622
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: next year to draft again. Um, we're gonna have to

623
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: mortgage everything we have. I think if they really want

624
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, this could be the best move for us.

625
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: They are now on their end, they get Kyler Murray

626
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: and they get an electric wide receiver to throw too

627
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: and ob Jack. So on their side they're saying, Wow,

628
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: we got this guy that gets out of the pocket

629
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: to throw to O B J. They'll sell tickets and

630
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: our on our our end where building up a lot

631
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: of spaces that we have open. All right, Matt, Well,

632
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go. Thanks for the phone call,

633
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You call again. Um I I could. I

634
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: could debunk that in so many ways, but I'm gonna

635
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: narrow it down to two very simple facts. A. If

636
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Speaker 1: you trade old Bill Beckham Jr. Right now, you're taking

637
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Speaker 1: a sixteen million dollar dead cap hit, which is a

638
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: vicious number to to strangle hold your general manager as

639
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: he tries to remake this roster. Number two Josh Rosen,

640
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: who I was never a huge fan of anyway, But

641
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: let's put that aside. The facts are medically speaking, his durability,

642
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: long term durability in this league is in question because

643
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: he did his drafted where he was he had he

644
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: had medical yellow flags, including concussions coming out of U

645
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Speaker 1: c l A. Okay, Uh, those two things right there

646
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: basically take that conversation and toss it out the window

647
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Speaker 1: for me. With all due respect Matt, good guy, appreciate

648
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: the creativity, But those two things right there immediately make

649
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: the conversation moved for me. How does how does it

650
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: make it for you? Well? I I got it. From

651
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, it just it just doesn't work. I

652
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't. I mean you're gonna have to You're

653
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to eventually pay Josh Rosen, right, I mean

654
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: if he last that long. Well, he also didn't say

655
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with with Eli Manning? If you're

656
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: making that deal for Rosen, are you are you cutting

657
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: Eli Manning or No? I think he wanted him to

658
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: sit behind Eli for a year. I think that's what

659
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: he wanted. You're gonna have to know pretty soon because

660
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 1: fifteen or seventeenth, whenever the league year starts, right, there's

661
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Speaker 1: players that start getting bonuses, and I know Eli has

662
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: got a big one coming then. So you're you're talking

663
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Speaker 1: about today is the sixteenth of February two. You got

664
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Speaker 1: another month to figure out what you want to do. There.

665
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Speaker 1: But with everything is said and down, it's it looks

666
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Speaker 1: to me like, you know, the Giants are going forward

667
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Eli Manning in two thousand nineteen, and they're gonna let

668
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: the chips fall where they made between now and the

669
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Speaker 1: draft and free agency and all that kind of stuff.

670
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Speaker 1: But it's always fun to talk about things like that.

671
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: But you know, Cliff Kingsbury, I know he came clean

672
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: Cleansberry is his name, Cliff Kleansberry double k anyway, so

673
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: you know he came out on record by saying that

674
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: he really liked Kyler Murray in college and he would

675
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: draft him, yes, in a minute. So it's a tough one. Well,

676
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: go ahead. It's it's fun to talk about all this stuff,

677
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and that's why it's it's it's it's it's what we do.

678
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: But in reality, there's a lot of this is what

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00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: makes that it's so difficult because there's so much behind

680
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff though none of us know about well,

681
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: you see, and I'm not talking about you specifically, Matt,

682
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: So please don't be insulting and feel free to call

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Speaker 1: again or hit us up on Twitter. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Jay F Eagels or at Giants w f A n

685
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Speaker 1: uh in a lot of these scenarios, I call them

686
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: comic book scenarios because they're not even science fiction. Science

687
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: fiction at least is based on some facts. Unfortunately, comic

688
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: book scenarios just throw everything out the window and become fantasy.

689
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: And they don't understand certain facts, are certain implications that

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00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: are truths, and our reality cap draft picks, medical medical,

691
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: There are facts here that you know, the great fantasy

692
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: football people of the world and the Madden players of

693
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: the world just don't understand. Analytics people of the world.

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Speaker 1: You got it, baby, Give me a fist here. So

695
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Speaker 1: there you go. Two oh one, three, four, five one

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Speaker 1: these calls a little bit quicker on the second half

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Speaker 1: of the show because the lines are burning up. Land

701
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Speaker 1: from Colombia is online. Three Good morning Land Man, Hey,

702
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how you doing. Hey? Um once for Paul,

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00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: one for Jeff, Uh Paul. I couldn't agree with you

704
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: more about the need to get back in the third round.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere between seventy five and eighty five. I keep having

706
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: nightmares about the Colins draft here when we try hit

707
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Speaker 1: it up in the second second round to get Collins,

708
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: we gave up a fourth we drafted come, we got Colins.

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: We drafted Collins. We got double Low in the third round.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember him? Yeah? Sure do boy, we had

711
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Speaker 1: nobody in the fourth round. We went sixty picks from

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Speaker 1: Double Low to the middle of the fifth round and

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Speaker 1: drafted Michel. I want to say, Thompson, is that right

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Speaker 1: d back from Texas? I mean, I'm sure you remember

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00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: him well. To think of the the epicenter of the

716
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Speaker 1: bad drafts, it was right there in the middle of

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Speaker 1: that draft, Paul, I keep having a nightmare about that.

718
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Speaker 1: To make it clear to everybodyself, get into the fourth round, Jerry,

719
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Speaker 1: get back in the fourth round. I'm sorry. We lend

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: to make clear what you're talking about. And the phobia

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00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: that you and I both have, and I think Jeff

722
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: has as well, is that as the draft stands currently constructed,

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00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: the Giants are picking six, which we all know thirty

724
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: seven overall, okay, and then they don't pick again because

725
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: of four for Sambiale, all the way into the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: which is number one O two overall one O two

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Speaker 1: and that's the same, that's the same sixty picks ball.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way, in my mind, there is no

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00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: way Dave Gentleman's gonna let that happen. I don't see. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're absolutely right, because I I when I

731
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Speaker 1: think back at the epicenter of the bed drafting, it

732
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Speaker 1: was that year, right in the middle of that, and

733
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Speaker 1: I remember sitting there watching all those players come, sixty

734
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Speaker 1: five players come off the board, and then the big downer,

735
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, God bless him, the big downer.

736
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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for a big name in round round five,

737
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Speaker 1: and and and we get Michail Thompson thinks about this land,

738
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Speaker 1: think about if the draft, if the draft is sold,

739
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. If the draft is so fertile

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Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, which is what we are

741
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Speaker 1: all being led to believe, then then if you're Dave

742
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Gentleman and you know you need defense, then you've got

743
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: to get more picks in the first three rounds. You

744
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: already right on that. Hey, Jeff, I got one for you.

745
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Speaker 1: I want to stick up. I want to stick up

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Speaker 1: for all guys in your introduction, you were talking about

747
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: different type of personnel. Uh, you know, and I think

748
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Speaker 1: you mentioned my name, But I want to tell you

749
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Speaker 1: when the team comes. When the Giants come up to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, Jeff, the first thing I'm looking

751
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: at how many running backs? And I really think running

752
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: back first, how many running backs? And then I look

753
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Speaker 1: and see how many tight ends. I don't think when

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Speaker 1: I see one running back, one tight end, I don't

755
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: think eleven personnel first. I think one running back, one

756
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Speaker 1: tight end. So you're right. I don't use the number system,

757
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: but I am the sen of the number of players

758
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: that are onund the that's around the field. So if

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00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: you come up and you see one running back and

760
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: two tight ends, then you're thinking what now in the

761
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: new world? Now, well, now we're thinking twelve person noel

762
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: tight end number comes check. I know that, but I

763
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: don't think that when I'm looking at them at the

764
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: line of script. But it's funny because when you look

765
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: at all the Alice analysis that goes around the league,

766
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: a lot of these sports people they use this this

767
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: this terminology, and if you don't know what it is

768
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: and how to count it, you'll drive yourself crazy. I

769
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Speaker 1: know what is that? Do you start with the running back?

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Speaker 1: Do you start with the receivers and work in? Do

771
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: you start yeah? Yeah, yeah, well you start I think

772
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm doing this right. You start with the

773
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Speaker 1: running back, you go to the tight ends, and then

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Speaker 1: you fill in with the number of receivers if you

775
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Speaker 1: want to do you know, if you want to do

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Speaker 1: a one one four, you know, typically you get one

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Speaker 1: running back, one tight end, four wide receivers. How about

778
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: the pros names and then number I got you like

779
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: a lottery system. We're running here. Let me let me

780
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: let me do one more on Beckham. If I don't

781
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: believe the Giants signed Beckham to that big contract last

782
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: year with the idea that they are on a three

783
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: or four year rebuilding um cycle or else what a

784
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: trader him last year? I think the Giants signed Beckham

785
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: to that magnificent contract, and I think he deserved it

786
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: because they thought he was going to escalate. He was

787
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: going to escalate the turnaround. We weren't going to have

788
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: to wait three years, four years for us to make

789
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs, or else you should have traded him. So

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00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, to sit now and think we're starting a

791
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: three year plan. I just don't I just don't believe

792
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: that that indeed is realistic. I think you got to

793
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Speaker 1: think about something quicker than that. And I think O'Dell

794
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: is part of the solution to this, to this whole thing. Hey, listen,

795
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: thanks for taking I appreciate it. Let's go, Giants, we'll

796
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: talk next week. You got it. Two things real quickly.

797
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: So a three year plan, you gotta taken into account

798
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: that we've already one year into the three year plan.

799
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Speaker 1: Because you look at this roster from last year. There's

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people still around from the year before. Okay,

801
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: so last year was the start of it's about a dozen.

802
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: Probably they're still gonna be left, if if not even

803
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: fewer by the time they opened. Um. The second thing

804
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Speaker 1: is is that I believe that at the beginning of

805
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: the season, the Giants thought that they could do some stuff,

806
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: but it turned out that they couldn't. So they just

807
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: they flipped it. They said, Okay, you know what, now

808
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna we really need to start doing some things

809
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: in order. I don't know if you agree with that

810
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: or not. But the second thing is I'm really intrigued

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Speaker 1: by this third round and that and that analysis that

812
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: he brought up about the gap. You gotta get you

813
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta watch the gap. That's a that's a

814
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: I get it. You get it, Okay, I get it.

815
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Speaker 1: You gotta watch that gap, because how are you going

816
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: to get in that gap? I'm interest to you. I

817
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: want you to tell me how we are going to

818
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: get into the third round. Well, you've got a couple

819
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: of things you could do. You could potentially move down

820
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: three or four spots in the first or second, and

821
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: then somehow somebody wants to come up and get somebody,

822
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Speaker 1: someone so desperate. Let's say somebody really wants Kyler Murray.

823
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Speaker 1: A right, Kyle Murray. Oh guess oh all right, the Dolphins.

824
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Speaker 1: Yeah you want you want to come up and get

825
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: get Murray? Great, guess what I'm getting that? You could

826
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Speaker 1: do that, okay? Or even in the second maybe you

827
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Speaker 1: do it. Or or with the compensatories that are supposedly

828
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Speaker 1: coming in in the fourth and fifth round, giants gonna

829
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Speaker 1: have three fourth round picks. I believe if the compensatories

830
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Speaker 1: come through as predicted, I give up two fours to

831
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Speaker 1: get a three, and you might be able to get that.

832
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: It could be done, or you could have a player traded.

833
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: You could do that too. The bottom line is, and

834
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Speaker 1: I've made this statement before on the show and then

835
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I've seen people on the internet dispute it. Every year

836
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Speaker 1: the Dave Gettleman has been a general manager, he has

837
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: made a trade involving draft choices, and that goes for

838
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: Carolina as well as last year with the Giants, he

839
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Speaker 1: traded he got draft choices and traded draft choices and

840
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: the deal for the punter. He did it when he

841
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: traded JPP and got draft choices back, and in exchange

842
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: with the Tampa he did a deal for Ogel Tree

843
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: with the Rams, which also involved draft choice JPP with

844
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Speaker 1: right around this time of the year. Yeah, it was

845
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: so every year. And he did it with with the

846
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Carolina to no one. Guy said to me, well, he's

847
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: never moved back in the first round. Okay, I get that.

848
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: So maybe they stay at six, maybe they don't do

849
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: it with the first round. I don't know that. The

850
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: point is he is a mobile and aggressive GM who

851
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: has either acquired or dealt away draft choices every year

852
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: he's been in charge. Don't do the six, stay stay

853
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: six and get your player in this draft. I'm inclined

854
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm I don't want to touch that

855
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: now my second and going I don't have a third,

856
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more inclined to trade two four for a three,

857
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: that's what. Or if I just have to move a

858
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: little bit off of that second round or maybe within

859
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: ten picks, i'd be fewer than that, I think, But

860
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: depends on what you're going to get for it. Yes,

861
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe somebody's got two through two third round draft picks

862
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. This is this is this

863
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: is where it gets really crazy, because you know, there's

864
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: a there's gotta be there's gotta be a something that

865
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: you go by. Okay, if I'm gonna go I know

866
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: there there is something that Jimmy Johnson came up with

867
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: years ago, right, which is kind of been morphed. And

868
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: I understand a lot of teams don't even use that

869
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: chart anymore because it has been so altered over the years.

870
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: But but the truth is, Jeff, they cannot go through

871
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that desert waste land of picks without having a selection,

872
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: especially because you're your players. The first three rounds are

873
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: your Those are your those are those are your players?

874
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: You know, four through seven, Yeah, you know I can't

875
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: do it one through three. And historically, you know that

876
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: the Giants have not done very well in their draft

877
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: picks over the years and keeping them into second contracts

878
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: and especially third rounders. Third rounders have been a tough one.

879
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: They'd like to believe that the Gettleman will change all that.

880
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: I hope. So all right, we've got about teminates left

881
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: in the program, so I really want to zip through home.

882
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I apologize we were a little bit long winded with

883
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: with others before. Eddie from the Bronx is online to

884
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: hello Eddie, Hey guys, how you doing today. I'll try

885
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: to be quick. Assuming the Giants keep your lying. I

886
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: think they will. I don't think they take a quarterback

887
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: because they're gonna try to win to him. They're not

888
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: going to have a looking over his shoulder all yell longay.

889
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: So since the office, since the offensive line is very

890
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: weak in free agency, do you use that first round

891
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: pick on one of the tackles the kids from Florida Alabama?

892
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: What do you take a pass rusher that they desperately

893
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: need on defense? And my comment is, I think oh

894
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: b J is gone. Last year when he said ELI

895
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. I don't think you could bring both

896
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: those guys back that you get another number one, and

897
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: there's your number three trading old b J. Okay, thank you, Eddie,

898
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. I'll answer real quickly. The first, well,

899
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: I could see. Listen, what if the Giants traded O

900
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: b J. Would it would have surprised me? No, it

901
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: would not. It would surprise me in a sense from

902
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint. Yes. However, depending on what we would

903
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: get the Giants would get back, it would have to

904
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: get bowled over. I think they would have. That's the

905
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: only way it's going to happen. Okay. Um. The other

906
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: one is I would go with the edge rusher over

907
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: a right tackle if it wasn't. If we were in

908
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: the need of a left tackle and there was somebody

909
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: really good, then I would go left tackle. Right tackle

910
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: to me is not as important. People might kill me

911
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: as as a marquee edge rusher. Especially with this defense.

912
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: The Giant need somebody to get after the quarterback and

913
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: not just get close to them. They need to sack them. Yeah. Yeah,

914
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: that's why I'm amending when you had to be waiver

915
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: before about taking the same note. The edge rush is

916
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: more important than the free safety. And I believe, based

917
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: on what we seem to know, there will be a

918
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: number of solid, blue chip right tackle prospects in the

919
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: second round, which is why you wait till round two

920
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: and you take the edge rusher in round one. I

921
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: was not saying an edge resser in free agency. I

922
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: was saying a safety and free agency, not in the draft.

923
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: That that's I think that's more likely to make. That's

924
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying. I think that that they're

925
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna go safety and free agency edge rusher in the draft.

926
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to go get a safety

927
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: in free agency. Excuse me, I'm sorry. They're going to

928
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: get a safety and free agency. And there are a

929
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: bunch of safeties out there, Amos from the Bears, ha ha, Clinton, Nix, Rams, Trade, Boston.

930
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: I think Honey Badge is gonna be out there, Buchanan's

931
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna be out there. There's a whole bunch of them

932
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: out there. I'm not saying I would necessarily prefer one

933
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: over the other right now. I'm just throwing out some names.

934
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: Supposes he does not miss games. He has played. He's

935
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: been on a couple of teams already, though, you gotta

936
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: wonder why about that a little bit? Alright, alright, we

937
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta rattle through the east. Coach Marvin is

938
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: online number one. Hello, Gray, how are you? I'm doing good. Um,

939
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: I think you're both onto something. We do need that safety.

940
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Safety plays been horrible for us for the last few years.

941
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the last defense against a person breaking

942
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: it between the end zone and the opponents. So you

943
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: gotta have a guy back there, and they work hand

944
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: in hand, the Russia and the secondary. They work hand

945
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: in hand, both of right, neither one of you're wrong,

946
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: because you've got to have sort of both of those

947
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: guys some corners that can cover long enough for the

948
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: rush to get there in the rush bath enough so

949
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: they don't have to cover long. Um. The other thing

950
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking about is, uh, I tucked. I think

951
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: Jeff was on the on the show one time. I

952
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: call and said, we have so many options. I mean,

953
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: we all speculate what they're gonna do. I mean quarterback

954
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: is an option. Um as rush, the secondary, Uh, anybody

955
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: you want a name. I mean, just so straight down,

956
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: trade up. They can do so much from where they

957
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: are right now. So we were fortunate to have that

958
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: many options. But I saw something Um yesterday and then

959
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: I started looking into this, and I'm might look into

960
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: it more. But there's a player that is a good

961
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: option I think for us is if we don't go

962
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: quarterback or we don't go to edge Russia. It's Russia

963
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: y playing every position on the line. They even had

964
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: him playing on the edge, had two ninety or to

965
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: ninety eight. Whatever he is this this is a remarkable athlete.

966
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're gonna look at him. But if I'm not,

967
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: if I don't, if I feel that they're not happy

968
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: with a quarterback or they can't get Alan or bows Gary,

969
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: there's a guy that can use He can he can

970
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: cover three spots on that line. You can put him

971
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: at the five positions, and he can play the edge.

972
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is everywhere so local. He's a

973
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: local guy. He's he's certainly one of the top shelf

974
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: edgewashers in this draft. There was no question about that.

975
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: And he's um right here from Paramus, New Jersey. He

976
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: was the high school player of the year a few

977
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: years ago. I only know that because when my son

978
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: was in high school and we went to the banquet.

979
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: But he is a guy that, yeah, he can play

980
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: all those techniques from Michigan. UM gonna be you know,

981
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I like I like it. I like

982
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: it a lot because durability and and and being able

983
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: to thank coach we gotta go, and being able to

984
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: play multiple positions, you know, look like a carry win.

985
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can play multiple positions. And look

986
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: how you know, look how valuable he's been to this defense.

987
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: We go back to the lines, John Thing from Virginia,

988
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: You're next on the show. Hello, how's it going great?

989
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it quick. So what if we solidify

990
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: the line and make sure we get the right tackle

991
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: and the right guard, take up a veteran running back,

992
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: a big veteran running back, run the ball, put a

993
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: wall around Eli, spend the rest of the draft on

994
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: the defense, the rest of the next year's draft on defense.

995
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: But what if we just solidified the line and we

996
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: run the ball and Eli throws the ball twenty times

997
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: the game. I mean to me, that seems like the

998
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: formula given time with us, with Sheppard and O B

999
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: J and and Evans, well that he was that he

1000
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: luck Okay, Jamal Brown will we sign as the right

1001
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: guard with any luck, so then you won't have to

1002
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: go out and buy one of those. Yeah, and you

1003
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: know what and Jamal Brown, you know, listen, he wasn't

1004
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: the cure off cure off for this offensive line last year.

1005
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: He did help it. Okay, but we'll have to see

1006
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: what kind of money he's gonna want he's was he

1007
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: unrestricted or is he he is unrestricted? Okay? Well then

1008
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: there you guy does seem to want to come back

1009
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: here though, well, I think it would be a good

1010
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: fit for him, I really do, you know. And sometimes

1011
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: opportunities like that, you got to look into it and say, hey, no,

1012
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: am I better off stain where I know the offense

1013
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and the team likes me and they

1014
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: want me, and I'm gonna get a little bit of money.

1015
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: Or Jonathan, I'm curious you you want another running back?

1016
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Are you not satisfied with Barkley and Goldman as your

1017
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: your lead to guys in the backfield? Because to me,

1018
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: spending more money on a running back, which is what

1019
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: they did last year when they brought in Stewart, and

1020
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: what they got was intangible value. They did not get

1021
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: on field production. I don't know that I would want

1022
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: to do that. I just don't want a bigger running

1023
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: back UH than gold Man. I'm he's average to me.

1024
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, he did the job done. He's okay, But

1025
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: I want a big running back to pound the defense

1026
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: for the That guy is probably only going to get

1027
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: limited carries in the game. Anyway, you might even be

1028
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: able to get him as an undrafted rookie free agent.

1029
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, you might not have to spend money to

1030
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: get one of those guys. Right back, You've got Eli

1031
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Penny who can run pound the football if you need

1032
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: him to. No, I think he's a free agent if

1033
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm not what I'm saying, like a player like that, Yeah,

1034
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: who might get four or five. I don't know that

1035
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: you have to open up the checkbook to get that

1036
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: type of player. Yeah, good question. All right, we gotta

1037
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: thank you. Please call again. Scott is Online three from

1038
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: New Mexico. Hello, Hi, guys. Hi. I'll make it brief. Also,

1039
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't a little I take a little bit of

1040
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: umbradge with some of the conversations that are going on

1041
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: in regards to this three year UH plan that the

1042
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: Giants have to build themselves into a playoff team. I

1043
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: think attitude plays a part in how you develop the team.

1044
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: You should be talking about the Giants as a playoff

1045
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: team for next year, and there are I think, Jeff,

1046
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you use some expressional wild that you know you're a

1047
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: playoff team when you win the close games, and I

1048
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: think that's apropos. And if we keep thinking in terms

1049
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: of we have to this is going to take three

1050
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: years to do. Choose one of your Paul's favorite expression,

1051
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: we wind up in the quicksand of mediocrity because we

1052
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: were not I think channel or channeling our energies to

1053
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: make this a playoff team next year. I'm sure John

1054
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Mara is not sitting in his office saying I want

1055
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: to playoff team in three years. I think he wants

1056
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: it next year. And there are things you can do. Uh.

1057
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Speaker 1: Three guys, for example, control of the cap space, which

1058
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: is managing Vernon and Jenkins, and they need to restructure

1059
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: all of those contacts so they have some moneys to

1060
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: pay for free agency because otherwise they're not going to

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Speaker 1: get anybody. So I was wondering, excuse me, I was

1062
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: earning and I'm talking fast. Uh, I was wondering what

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: your opinion was on that and whether the Giants can

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: actually be a playoff team next year. Thanks guys, Thank you, Scott.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking it. You met nineteen, correct you say nineteen

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00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: this year present year? Yeah? Yeah, Well we we've outlined

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00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: and I think you're on board with what I said

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00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: what they need to do to beat that. You've got

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00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: to have those pieces in place to try to go through.

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Speaker 1: But I I do not believe, Um, this isn't the

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00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: NBA or baseball that you sit down at the table

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Speaker 1: and collectively get together with your coaches and your staff

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00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: and your and your management and say, guys, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: build a team for three years from now, we're gonna

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00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. That's not gonna happen. You can't.

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00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: First of all, there's not enough patience it's from the

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00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: fan base to do that. Number two, there's not enough

1078
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: patience with owners in the league to do that. And

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: number three is that it's not that easy to do

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00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: that because you got you got a roster that's constantly

1081
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: changing over so three years from now, you may you

1082
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: may have that, you might be going to the to

1083
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: the level where your team is getting really good, and

1084
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you have six free agents that

1085
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: are gonna leave. So it's just like it's a year

1086
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: to year and you know what, sometimes teams get lucky

1087
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: and they actually hit something like a playoff the year

1088
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: before they're supposed to. But this team is being built

1089
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: for the future. But it's kind of being built now.

1090
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean that the team is wanting to win, can

1091
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 1: they It just depends on on how good these guys

1092
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: that you bring in can play. I mean, this is

1093
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: a young roster. Coach Shermer said, I want everybody back

1094
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: on this roster from last year. And you know what,

1095
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: the last part of the season, there's a lot of

1096
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: guys that played themselves onto this roster or at least

1097
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: a chance to make it. So we'll see what happens.

1098
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: And and and Paul, I think you're right. And it

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: may not be six. Maybe it's five or four or whatever,

1100
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: or it might be six. I don't know. But you've

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00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: got to fill some of the gaps, especially on defense,

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Speaker 1: if you've got a chance to even compete in this

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: division next year. Dallas is going to be pretty good

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00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: next year. The Eagles are gonna be pretty good next year.

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00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen. With Washington with their

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00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. But you know, so this is gonna be

1107
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: a tough division next year. It's not. This isn't gonna

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00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: be easy. You know, one one thing I will say

1109
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: this time last year, we weren't sure about the special

1110
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: teams questions. And I believe the Giants are real happy

1111
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: with their kicker and their punter, there's no question. And

1112
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Al Drek, you know, and you know me, I've been

1113
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: a fan of his all since the time he even

1114
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: stepped foot on this property. Um. But also, you know,

1115
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: Riley Dixon did a heck of a job last year. Um,

1116
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: better than advertised, I thought, better than advertising, you know what.

1117
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: He kind of flew under the radar, which is kind

1118
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 1: of nice to have a punter fly into the radar

1119
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: every once in a while that you don't hear about

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00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: him every once in a while, right, agree, Now, the

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00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: return game, they got to make sure they got that

1122
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: squared away. It's still kind of suspect and it still

1123
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: has been forever. I mean, when's the last I mean

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00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Dayne Harris might have been the guy, you know, you

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00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: return to kick off before that hition was really good. Yeah,

1126
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: So I mean we got to get that that element

1127
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: back in it because it's an exciting part of the game.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I know they want to take a

1129
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: lot of the special teams play out of out of

1130
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: the game, but I sure hope they don't. I really don't.

1131
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Speaker 1: All Right, before we go, we got a couple of

1132
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: minutes left. I just want to get to the Twitter

1133
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: comments because I never want to ignore those folks. We

1134
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: have Bobby cratch It says Giants are drafting an inside linebacker.

1135
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he thinks that number six overall, there is

1136
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: the L s U kid who certainly has that kind

1137
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: of value. But you know, I can't deny that there

1138
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: could be a player who under the best player available

1139
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: is gonna say, if you're gonna go with that philosophy,

1140
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: he's there, then then they then they take him. He

1141
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: could be It's possible he could be the sixth best

1142
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: player on the board. Well, I mean again, we've talked

1143
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: about Dave Gettleman system, and last year he revamped the

1144
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: scouting department that how they how they evaluate players everything.

1145
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: Is it still there that they go by the best

1146
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: player on the board philosophy? I don't know that. Do

1147
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: you know the answer to that is that their philosophy still.

1148
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman has said that is still the primary philosophy,

1149
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: and then again other things will come into it. It's

1150
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: almost like what we said before about the pizza pie.

1151
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: You know, you've got the dough, the crust, the sauce.

1152
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Then you got the oregano. Uh you know, well in

1153
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: your case, maybe not in your not in my case. Uh,

1154
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: another that's ingredient available. There you go, and and and

1155
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: so I think basically the point is the dough and

1156
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: the crust. That's that's your best player available. That's where

1157
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: it starts. No, if that's the case, then then this

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01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: then Bobby could be correct. Maybe all right, we got

1159
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: a J. Marshall says giants and free agency need to

1160
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: spend their top dollars out of free safety. He mentioned

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: someone who I've mentioned in the past as a potential

1162
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: help for some team Bears, Adrian Amos. Sure. Yeah, they

1163
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: had a pretty fordable back. Their defense was pretty good

1164
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: last year and he was part of it. Yeah, no question,

1165
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: and I agree with him a percent. A strong safety

1166
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: position Zach Church or no bull Spool, I'm not sure.

1167
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm I can't get this one. Don't even try it.

1168
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: But but he says, my prediction Giants trade back with

1169
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins to the thirteen and pick up their first and

1170
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: two rounder so they can jump Jaguars and take their

1171
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: guy at quarterback, that is Miami. Then he says, Fins

1172
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: get worse and there becomes a top five next year

1173
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: and the Giants get there. I like the way he's

1174
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: got that planned out right there, very very cool. Uh.

1175
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Speaker 1: And then finally, uh, let's see we have a rich

1176
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: Delore says uh. Thanks to this week's soap opera called

1177
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: the NFL Offseason, I call it the black hole of

1178
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: real information. I have to ask, would you trade Beckham

1179
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: straight up for Aaron Donald? I answered him already on Twitter,

1180
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: and I simply said, it is harder to find a

1181
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: superstar all universe dominating defensive tackle that it is to

1182
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: find a superstar wide receiver. And that's as far as

1183
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: I would go to answering that question. Agreed. Yeah with you, folks,

1184
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: we are so glad you joined us today once again.

1185
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: Our number two oh one nine three nine is a

1186
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, right, yeah, I would Yeah,

1187
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: I gotta think about that one. In principle without using names,

1188
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: the dominant old Superstar Universe defensive tackle is harder to

1189
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: replace than a superstar wide receiver. Just my, well, there

1190
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: are there are other factors if you were talking about

1191
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: these specific guys, but in general, the position for position swap,

1192
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: I could see the DT being a lot more valuable anyway, Yeah,

1193
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: they real quickly and yeah, okay, yes, And this drafting

1194
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: it's very it's very interesting there what goes into your

1195
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: philosophy And not only mean by picking philosophy, I I

1196
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: mean like where your team philosophy is, and how year

1197
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty may be more important at a certain

1198
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: position than two thousand nineteen, and how that can when

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: you're going through the draft and you're negotiating things with

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: other teams as far as draft picks, did you position

1201
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: yourself in for a two thousand twenty jump to maybe,

1202
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: because I've always said, if this team is going to

1203
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: get better, they're not picking obviously at six next year,

1204
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: so maybe a little bit of draft capital will help

1205
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: them in two thousand twenty to get up a little

1206
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: bit higher. If they succeed more in the two thousand

1207
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: nineteen season, you got to take that into consideration. So

1208
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: this is just it's it's an interesting conversation about philosophy

1209
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: and how things are moving forward. And it's not always

1210
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: just this season you're looking at. You're looking at two

1211
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: thousand twenty, and maybe a little bit in the two

1212
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, but mainly these two years your head

1213
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: and you're right now. John Schalk has said on this

1214
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: program he thinks that the Giants will use their extra

1215
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: draft picks this year to trade and improve their position

1216
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty. I think their primary objective is

1217
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: going to be to improve their position in this year's draft.

1218
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: But either one has its merit well, and again it

1219
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: depends on what your what position you're targeting. If it's

1220
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, um, you know now that Murray's in

1221
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: is in there, and we know about Haskins and and

1222
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Um the guy from Duke Jones. Next year, you

1223
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: got some pretty good players coming out of college, closly

1224
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: like four first round quarterbacks, which means you probably could

1225
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: get one even in fifteen or sixteen. But anyway, that's

1226
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Speaker 1: that's another story for another time. It is, but thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us today. Happy Friday, PAULI, good good

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Speaker 1: doing a show with you, my friends, A Feagles Friday.

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Speaker 1: It is on Big Blue kick Off Lives. So glad

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: we were able to bring this program usually on Friday.

1231
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: Smolke is ganging up on me with did you play

1232
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: with Jeff Eagel's uh session, But we're not doing it

1233
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: today because he loves he's so competitive. But we had

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: so many phone calls. I don't want to cheat those

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Speaker 1: out of the town. Next Friday. We'll be back with that,

1236
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Speaker 1: all right, once again, jotted down to five on three

1237
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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants chat or at jaf Eagels or at Giants

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Speaker 1: w f A. And if you want to get us

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Speaker 1: at some point during the non show hours, I'm five

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Speaker 1: and four on the year. You know that? Do you

1241
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: know the game we play? Oh? Yeah about did you know? Okay?

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