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Speaker 1: Nyros jeffs e please, hey boo, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to Ghosted by Me. Ros dress Fales. So

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a kind of controversial story

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Speaker 1: on this week's episode. It's the story of Adam Alice

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Speaker 1: and Dear David. Now, if you're a paranormal fan or

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Speaker 1: you're like a Twitter head, you probably know this story.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty popular in summer of twenty seventeen, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's still very popular. People still talk about it NonStop,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out it's going to be turned into

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Speaker 1: a movie. So if you don't know the story of

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Speaker 1: Dear David, you could do a lot of Twitter digging.

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Speaker 1: But there's also this amazing article by Lucia Peters on

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Speaker 1: Bustle dot com that tells you everything that you need

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Speaker 1: to know about Dear David. So here's what happened back

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Speaker 1: in August of twenty seventeen. Adam Alice, who lives in

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Speaker 1: New York City. He's an illustrator. He's also a writer,

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Speaker 1: and he worked for BuzzFeed. He tweeted from his Twitter handle,

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Speaker 1: which is at Moby underscore dickhead. So credible source. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. You are listening to someone named Rozdresflees doing

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Speaker 1: a retelling so that sounds like a you problem. So

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Speaker 1: at Moby dickhead, he wrote, so my apartment is currently

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Speaker 1: he's trying to kill me. Now, listen, ghost children are scary.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Perhaps they're even creepier than ghost adults to

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Speaker 1: many people. But yeah, here's the because I always have

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Speaker 1: I saw a little child going la la la la la, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is spooky, but you have to remember that their children,

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Speaker 1: they're still children, and the easiest way to calm down

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Speaker 1: a child is with what fruit snacks? So just you know,

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Speaker 1: So he goes on to say that there's this little

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Speaker 1: A few nights later, he dreamed in a library that

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Speaker 1: a girl came up to him and said, oh, you

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Speaker 1: know dear David, And he said who, and she said,

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Speaker 1: dear David, you saw him. She then explained that David

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Speaker 1: is dead and told him the rules of interacting with him. One,

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Speaker 1: or he'll kill you. So Adam has another dream and

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Speaker 1: he finds out that David died in an accident in

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Speaker 1: he moves into this new apartment and we're going to

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Speaker 1: so he eventually he lives in this building that is

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Speaker 1: know I won't hear from David. And he doesn't until

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Speaker 1: he tweets that for the past four nights in his

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Speaker 1: which leads to speculation because you know, Adam Alice is

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Speaker 1: But whether this story is, you know, real or not,

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Roz, thank you for having me,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing here.

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Speaker 1: And a fun thing about so Lene is that you

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Speaker 1: played a ghost, right right, Yeah, played a ghost in

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Speaker 1: the movie Coco. The Academy Award winning Disney Pixar featured Coco.

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Speaker 1: How do you not believe in it? I mean you,

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Speaker 1: I mean you. You're from Mexico, right, You're raised Catholic, correct, both,

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Speaker 1: I mean Catholic culture, Mexican culture. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: He always subscribed to scientific magazines and always discussed science

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Speaker 2: To me, all those things are a very self centered

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Speaker 2: I think it's very self serving because why can't humans

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Speaker 2: you're not that important, right, that's really my perspective on it.

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Speaker 2: but it's like, couldn't possibly end here? I know, magically

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Speaker 2: It's it's all based on faith, and faith means that

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, And that's the funny thing though with you,

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Speaker 1: is that you've had these experiences, yes, that you can't

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Speaker 2: I am one big old contradiction because I have had,

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Speaker 2: for a lack of better terms or a better word,

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Speaker 2: that I cannot explain. But I do not believe they

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Speaker 2: are traditional after life experiences. I believe that, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's some parallel universe string theory thing that happened that

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Speaker 2: But to me, it's got nothing to do with spirituality

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, And I remember a couple months ago we

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Speaker 1: I asked Jackie, Jackie, have you ever had have you

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Speaker 2: not having. So one of my dear girlfriends, Pleasant Gayman

431
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: and La Icon, she's an incredible individual to performer, dancer,

432
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: actor and her own right author. She convinced me to

433
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: having a bachelorette party, and I just thought, well, who

434
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: better than Pleasant Gayman who is also a professional paranormal investigator.

435
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: And she's a longtime friend. We've been really good friends

436
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: for over twenty years.

437
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: We have to get her on here.

438
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Yes you do, Yes, you absolutely do. She's wonderful and

439
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: so she's like she suggested a bachelorette party, and I

440
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: just thought, well, why don't we do a paranormal investigation

441
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: and you know, and she offered to host it. It's

442
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: what she does anyway, and so I just thought it'd

443
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: be really fun because although I don't believe the irony

444
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: is that I love getting scared, to me, it's really fun.

445
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Sure, I love.

446
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: Ghostly getting scared, and so I just thought it'd be

447
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: fun and different and I'm not into traditional bachelorette parties.

448
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm not a big drinker. I don't like to party,

449
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: so I thought this was perfect for me. Daytime ghost hunting.

450
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: So where which that's my preference. If I am to

451
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: go ghost hunting, Why does it have to be at night?

452
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: It's always at night. We got that green night vision

453
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: camera and everyone's eyes look all spooky. I don't like that.

454
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: See to me, if you see something during the day

455
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: that's more credible.

456
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: There you go.

457
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: So, so where did you guys go for your So.

459
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: The whole thing was we needed to find a free location.

460
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Sure, so were there places you were shopping around?

461
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so pleasant my paranormal investigator, she suggested a theater.

462
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: She said that they're always haunted.

463
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, theaters have a lot of haunted energy.

464
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: So she said, try to find a theater and let's

465
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: try to get it for free. Unless you know somebody

466
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: that has a house that it's really haunted. I don't

467
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: know anybody who owns a haunted house. So then theater

468
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: was our best bet. And you know, being in the business,

469
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: we know a lot of theaters, so we have relationships

470
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: with theaters. So I went to the Cavern Club theater

471
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: where you and I performed, and we have a very

472
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: strong relationship with that venue, and they were more than

473
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: happy to loan as the theater for my little bachelorette party.

474
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I invited fifteen of my closest girlfriends and it was

475
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: really spooky and exciting, and we did an investigation in

476
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: the theater and immediately immediately had experiences.

477
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: What do you mean, I've worked there a billion times

478
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: at this point, and I've never I don't know that

479
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: my senses have gone off there. I mean, I don't

480
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: know anywhere that's dark and I'm by myself. I'm immediately

481
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: convinced it's haunted, But yeah, I don't know what came through,

482
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: what happened.

483
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think that because I too. I mean I've

484
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: been performing at this theater for at least fifteen years

485
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: and never ever had a weird vibe, never felt anything.

486
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: But also I don't think I'm tuned into that stuff

487
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: because I'm not open to it generally. As much as

488
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: I love getting spooked, it takes a lot to get

489
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: me there.

490
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: But there is such a just like fun vibe in

491
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: that theater because yeah, I mean there's really only like comedy,

492
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: campy kind of shows that happened there. And it's a

493
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: very family owned restaurant that is above the theater, so

494
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: it's definitely not a dark energy or was that ever.

495
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's always such a loving vibe in there.

496
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: That's why I've never picked up on anything spooky, which

497
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 2: makes me think maybe it's an unworldly loving vibe. You know,

498
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: it could be like Hippi Ghosts who came through. Well,

499
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: this was not very loving. It was like a spooky

500
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: thing for real. And I think it helped to have

501
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: this paranormal team because they seem to know what they're doing,

502
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: and they really conjured up some shit that I couldn't

503
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: on my own without. They had the EVP. I forgot

504
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: what it's called, that machine that picks up Yeah.

505
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

506
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: So she had all her equipment, all like the stuff

507
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: you see on TV, and including the Ouiji board for fun,

508
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: and we did all kinds of funny stuff. It was

509
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: like being in a slump at a slumber part. So

510
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: she well pleasant, she probably would she would do a

511
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: much better job explaining the process because I'm a complete

512
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: novice and I was just in it for the fun,

513
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: and so she just started asking questions, you know, Uh,

514
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: to the air, like, if there's somebody here, make this

515
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: light flash. And sure enough, immediately she had this little

516
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: contraption with four different colored lights, so like a Simon

517
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: says game from the eighties, and so she would say,

518
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: if you're present, make the blue light go on twice,

519
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: like very specific instructions, and immediately boom boom, like the

520
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: lights were happening, and we're like, oh my god, oh

521
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: my god. And there was an empty chair right next

522
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: to my maid of honor, who was none other than

523
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Margaret Chow. She herself has had many paranormal experiences, should

524
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: be a great guest. Anyway, she was sitting there wasn't

525
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: anybody sitting next to her, Her seat was empty, and

526
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: she's like, Margaret's like, oh my god, can you feel this?

527
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: And her chair was like there was no ac directly

528
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: above it, and it was super cold, like after we

529
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: got that communication on the lights. So and it was

530
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: right behind me. So I turned around and I hover

531
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: my hand over the chair, and it was undeniable that

532
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: the temperature over that chair vastly different from any other seat.

533
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Wait wait, she was sitting in it.

534
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: The chair next next to her, which was empty. It

535
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 2: it was like ice cold, but like right next to her,

536
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: it's warm and no, like it was so obvious everybody

537
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: could feel it, like a huge temperature difference. So I

538
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: don't know what that's about. So so then so then

539
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: we all gravitated to that chair, and pleasant brought that

540
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: a little meter that picks up the EVPs and put

541
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: it next to that chair and started asking it questions

542
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: and he and he began responding, and so we learned

543
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: that this presence, whatever it was, identified itself as the

544
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: burglar who was killed in that basement in the sixties,

545
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: and it is a it is a confirmed story by

546
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: the owners of the restaurant slash theater. The story goes that,

547
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: I guess in the sixties there were I guess it

548
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: was already a restaurant. I'm not too clear on that.

549
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: But also yeah, at one point that the same building

550
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: with a church. So there's been two deaths in the

551
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: basement which is now a theater where we were doing

552
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: our paranormal investigation. I'm not clear on the timeline who

553
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: died first, but the place used to be a church

554
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: and there was h and they used to cook in

555
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: the basement for the parishioners, and there was a I

556
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: believe a fourteen year old. I know it was a

557
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: teenage girl who died in a cooking fire.

558
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

559
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: So but it was something like she died. I think

560
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: she survived for a short period of time. And that's

561
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: how the family who owned this church had to sell

562
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: it to the current owners, who turned it into a

563
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: restaurant theater. They had to unload the property to make

564
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: money to medically treat this girl who eventually who ended

565
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: up dying anyway. Oh and so there's that death related

566
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: there to that girl. But also so getting back to

567
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: the burglar, the story goes that this guy broke in

568
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: to when I'm not sure if it was a restaurant

569
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: yet I think it was. It was a restaurant. Actually,

570
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: he broke in to hold up the place. He got

571
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: into a scuffle with one of the restaurant employees, I

572
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: think a busboy or a server or something, and there

573
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: was a gun between them. So the other restaurant employees

574
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: saw what was happening. They all jumped on the burglar

575
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: and then the scuffle the gun went off and the

576
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: burglar was shot, and that's where he died. Was it

577
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: in the basement or I believe it was from what

578
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm from what I was told, and so he died

579
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: trying to rob the place, but none of the employees died.

580
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: And so he said, so the that entity from my

581
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: bachelorette party identified himself as that burglar.

582
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: Wow.

583
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so but you know, pleasant's really fun. And

584
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: she's like, would you like a margarita? And he's like, yeah,

585
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: you could clearly hear him say yes margarita.

586
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, And where's that recording is it? Was it recorded?

587
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it was recorded. I don't It was

588
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: just live fee from that meter thing.

589
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: He sounds fun.

590
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: He was fun. We were kind of scared. I wasn't

591
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: too scared, just because it was daytime and it was

592
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: a room full of my girlfriends. Uh huh, but there

593
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: was some of the guests were like kind of terrified.

594
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet so.

595
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: We had a lot of weird communication like that.

596
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: Well, and one thing to make very clear, because we

597
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: love Casita del Campo, Yes, you will never get a

598
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: creepy vibe in there, so please go check out the food,

599
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: check out the shows that they have there. It is

600
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: really a magical blessing blessing the word I use. It's

601
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a really amazing place that we have here in Los Angeles.

602
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: It is it's very lucky to have it.

603
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: It's very special and it needs to continue to be supported.

604
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 2: That place is nothing but love.

605
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I can't believe that. Well, speaking of EVPs,

606
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: we do a little thing here on Ghosted by Ross

607
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Dressful as it is called EVP or ev plice. So

608
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: you already know all about EVPs. You have your experiences

609
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: with them. Yes, now you know what you heard. But

610
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: sometimes paranormal investigators get creative with what they think they hear.

611
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Right, Sometimes it's a stretch and.

612
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe they maybe it was a different

613
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: experience in person, or I don't know. I'm not going

614
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: to discredit anyone, but I just want you to guess

615
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 1: what these EVPs are. So the first one we're going

616
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: to do was posted by a YouTuber with an account

617
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: called huff Paranormal. Lots of pretty great paranormal investigations on

618
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: that channel. Should check it out, Oh I will. He

619
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: went to different graves and at.

620
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: This score, I'm already scared.

621
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I know, because that's I believe he's wrote in the

622
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: description like I wasn't sure if there would be ghosts,

623
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: just lingering around their graves or not. But he went

624
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: to do it. He went to this grave of somebody

625
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: named Wanda.

626
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Wanda.

627
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so he first you're gonna hear his voice saying

628
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: I was here yesterday, and then it's gonna repeat three

629
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: times what he heard, and I want you to guess, okay,

630
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: and it could it could be an EVP or it

631
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: could be an evy. Please I was here yesterday. I

632
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay. It repeated three times, so it whispered

633
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: a very short sentence three times. Let's try to go on.

634
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Please yeah, I get up, Please yeah.

635
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: I It was a you can kind of hear a

636
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: whisper I do something. But he did think he wrote

637
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: a what's the word? I'm looking for a subtitle on

638
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: the on the video of what he thinks it's said.

639
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Was it a work bitch? B I will tell you

640
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: the word bitch is in what he thought it sud b.

641
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Wanda's a bitch. See, I'm a bitch, I'm a lover,

642
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm a child, I'm a mother or d it's Britney.

643
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: Bitch now it will It's one of those.

644
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: It's one of those.

645
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is a tough one. I I did

646
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: pick up a faint whisper, but it's nothing I could

647
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: make out at all. I don't even hear bitch. I

648
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: don't hear anything. I know.

649
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Well it was the correct answer was b wanda's a bitch?

650
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Like? I hear the like, did the rhythm of it?

651
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: Wander's up? Bitch?

652
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: See like? Now I feel influenced because now that I

653
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: know the word bitch is in there. Now I hear

654
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: a bitch, right, But without that Franklin didn't. I just

655
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: heard a whisper. That a gibberish. I just hear gibberish.

656
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this one I think is a little bit

657
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: more clear. This was posted by some YouTube account called

658
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: Scary Mysteries, and this was a paranormal investigation that was

659
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: done at the Athens Lunatic Asylum in Athens, Ohio, which

660
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: actually opened up in nineteen seventy or sorry, eighteen seventy four,

661
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: back when they would call it just a lunatic asylum,

662
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: and it closed its doors in nineteen ninety three. And

663
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: there's some real spooky stories about this place. There was

664
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: a body of a woman that kind of wandered off,

665
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and she was naked, and she wandered off and she

666
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: ended up dying and her body just decomposed in the floor.

667
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: And they say that if you still go in there,

668
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: there is like this fo of it, this like stain

669
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: outline of a body.

670
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 2: That's just I believe it. Can I interject really quick?

671
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: My friend uh have a house where she bought a

672
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: house where somebody killed himself and they found them in

673
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: the living room and to this day you can see

674
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: the trace of his head like they can't there's nothing

675
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: you can do to wash it off, and so she

676
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: just has a chair over it. It's spooky.

677
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: Is it the same carpet?

678
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: No, it's hardwood floor. Oh okay, And I guess when

679
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: you die or whatever, your body like stains the floor.

680
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the spear at maybe Okay, So this

681
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: is the EVP that was taking at the Athens Athens

682
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Lunatic Asylum.

683
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely hear something. Again, I can't make

684
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: out what there's I'll.

685
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Give you some options. Was it a would you help us? B?

686
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: Will you yelp? Us seem enchiladas? Or d oh my god, hi,

687
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm a ghost day?

688
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: Do you hear a ghost seas?

689
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: No?

690
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a US would you help us, I

691
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: hear the help us. I don't like that. I wish

692
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: I had my recording of the VP from my bachelorrete party.

693
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: It is way clear, like it's like a guy talking

694
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: to you. It's crazy.

695
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too. Okay, well, we have a little

696
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: bit of time to do. Uh, we're gonna read a story.

697
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: This was submitted to me by a guy named Brayden.

698
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: And uh, this story actually it's a story of something

699
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: happening to a child when it's similar to your story,

700
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: but it also warning and involves children.

701
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: Ghosts, which aren't the worst, the creepiest. Yeah, I'm sorry

702
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: someone's kid died, but there's nothing scarier than a dead kid.

703
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay. We were visiting our grandparents in Hawaii when I

704
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: had my first run in with the dead. My Grandpa

705
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: Hank and Grandma Pam had a lovely patch of land.

706
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: And why Mia is that it's called Ai? Why Mia?

707
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: Why Mia?

708
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: My parents were putting me to bed one night when

709
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I began to hear a children's.

710
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: Chorus, ooh, a chorus.

711
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Singing what I presumed to be some Jesus Camp type

712
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: church song. Oddly enough, I found comfort in the lullaby

713
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: like the lullaby like tones of the kids singing. There was,

714
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: in fact, a church roughly fifty feet away from the property,

715
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: so I assumed the sound carried. The singing grew louder

716
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: and louder, and I couldn't help but poke my head

717
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: out the window as Mama tucked me in. What are

718
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: you looking at? She asked, Oh, they have there dialogue

719
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: in the story. What are you looking at? She asked.

720
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: I explained to her exactly what I saw. Half a

721
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: dozen kids around my age playing in the tree fortress

722
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: my brother Evan and I had claimed as our own.

723
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Being a typical kid, I felt such a longing to

724
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: ditch bedtime and join them. I want to go play

725
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: with them, I demanded of Mama. Who's sweetie? Who? She asked,

726
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: thoroughly confused them, I pointed, matter of factly, Honey, nobody

727
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: is out there, she stated. My face instantly felt flushed.

728
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Without missing a beat, I dove under my covers and

729
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: instantly started crying. These kids were so real. I swore

730
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I could see the butter the butterfly clips in one

731
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: of the curl's braids. Oh my god, a little bit

732
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: of fashion, a little flair, a little clip that means

733
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: she had a Delia magazine. You know this magazine and catalog. Okay,

734
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: my sobbing caused a commotion, and Daddy and Evan came

735
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: running from the living room to see what was the matter.

736
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop shouting, They're real, I saw them. My

737
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: parents didn't know how to process the information that their

738
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: child had seen people that simply weren't there. According to

739
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: my grandpa, the very church down the street had a

740
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: horrible fire a few years prior, and several children had

741
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: been burnt alive. To Mama, there was no question that

742
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: the very kids I heard singing in the trees were

743
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: the same kids who suffered the fire.

744
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: Oh, believed him.

745
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, a chorus of children swing around.

746
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Oh my god. Wait now I'm

747
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: having all these memories. Can I share one quick one?

748
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: Obviously I totally forgot about this, but uh, I was

749
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: on tour with a variety choir. Yeah, it goes was

750
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: a tour with Margaret Show. It was a variety shoulder.

751
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: There was like a cast of about ten of us

752
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: and we did I think like a two month run

753
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: at the Zipper Theater in New York City, which is

754
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: the sip we were the last show there and then

755
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: the Zipper shut down. But the Zipper Theater, I apparently,

756
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: was spooky, and everybody there who worked at the theater said,

757
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's haunted, blah blah blah. And I always

758
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: rolled my eyes of that shit, like everybody desperately wants

759
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: their theater to be haunted, you know. And so sure enough,

760
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: one night we're doing the show, you know, it's a grind,

761
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: and there's this one part in the show where the

762
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: entire cast is on stage and it's right before a

763
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: solo number of mine. So everybody's on stage and I'm

764
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: by myself in the dressing room waiting for my turn

765
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: to go do my solo number. So I'm just standing

766
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: there and all the lights are on, and out of

767
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: nowhere I see, like I look at the floor and

768
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: there's a giant shadow hovering over me, and like there's

769
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: nothing above me, Like there's no reason why there she'd

770
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: be a.

771
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Shadow, like in the form of a human.

772
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 2: It was kind I wouldn't say it was a form

773
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: of a human, but it had It wasn't like a

774
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: box or it wasn't like a square or a circle.

775
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: It had a funky shape like maybe you know, ahead

776
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: and shoulders but kind of wobbling, you know, not like

777
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: a perfect shape, and so I shipped my pants. That

778
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: was it was really really scary and what a way

779
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: to go on stage because I was just like, but yeah,

780
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: that was a really bizarre enduring. It was really scary.

781
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: I wonder why theaters are so haunted.

782
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, Like why isn't it restaurants.

783
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's just like la, It's like these

784
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: stage people that need to be performing even in the afterlife.

785
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: That's true, and I know.

786
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: They want to be seen.

787
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not the only cast member. Other people

788
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: in the cast had like strange experiences, like just nobody

789
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: wanted to be the one who was like the crazy

790
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: for sure, but it was it was weird and it

791
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: was a really old theater, but it also had like

792
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: incredible creative energy and love and the same vibes we

793
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: feel like Casita, but on a larger scale. And I

794
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: mean usually.

795
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: Theater ghosts aren't like bad energy.

796
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

797
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: I did work at a theater where they said that

798
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: there were times when the ghosts would keep the house

799
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: doors open so that the show couldn't like start and

800
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: they would just like fuck with it? Whoa turn lights

801
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: on during the show house lights and stuff?

802
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: Really, did you ever witness it?

803
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: No? Not that, But there's probably some ghosts that didn't

804
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: get the part. They had to play a tree and

805
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: then they died because a set piece fell on them,

806
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: and now they're pissed.

807
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: They're the Bob Fosse of the afterlife.

808
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Now I have one last question. Fine, no question.

809
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of a difficult one for you because you

810
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: don't necessarily believe in this stuff. But let's say in

811
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: another world where you believe fully in the afterlife, and

812
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: in a world where you might possibly die before.

813
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: Me, it's gonna happen, will you come back and visit me?

814
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: I no, I cannot pretend to not be myself. Oh

815
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: my god, I can't. Once once my body dies, once

816
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: my physical meat pack dies, I hope I don't have

817
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: the ability to come back. I hope it's over. I am.

818
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: My wish is that everything just goes dark and it's over.

819
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: It's done, done.

820
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: I just it's an off switch. I don't have that

821
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: ego to believe that I must continue on somehow, like

822
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: at any capacity. So it really brings me peace and

823
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: comfort to believe that on dead it's over.

824
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: Well, that brings me peace to know that once you're dad.

825
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: Am I gonna compole your feet?

826
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: Oh no no, but like I'll be like, Okay, she's

827
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: not visiting me because she's good. Like she's where she

828
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: needs to be and she doesn't need to go anywhere else.

829
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just see my future is fertilizer.

830
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: You know.

831
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: Really. But as much as I'd love to come visit you, yeah,

832
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: you don't want to have rub my bunk bed. I'd

833
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: rather visit you in the living.

834
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. Well, listen, Selena Luna, you are

835
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite packs of meat, and I'm so

836
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: happy you came down here. Tell people where they can

837
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: find you.

838
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram and on Twitter, Selene Luna.

839
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for listening. As always, I

840
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: want to hear your ghost stories. So here's how you

841
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: can get them to me. Please write a review. Give

842
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Speaker 1: me five stars first, so or I'm not reading your story.

843
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Speaker 1: You gotta give me five stars first if you like

844
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: the show. If you didn't like the show, you wouldn't

845
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: care about me reading. So anyway, give me five stars.

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Speaker 1: that podcasts are found in any place. You could give

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Speaker 1: me a fabulous rating and I want to read your

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Speaker 1: story on the air in a future episode. Also, if

850
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Speaker 1: you have had an EVP experience, if you have captured

851
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: the voice of a ghost, send it to me at

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00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. Be sure to

853
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit of a backstory and what

854
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: you think the ghost said, and me and my guests

855
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: will try to figure out if that's true or not.

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Speaker 1: Please help my childhood dream come true of becoming an

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Speaker 1: Instagram celebrity by following me at Roz dres Falles on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm also on Twitter. I have a Facebook page. You

859
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Speaker 1: can find out some live appearances on there as well.

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Speaker 1: I love you all so much. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: both living people and dead people. You mean the world

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Speaker 1: to me. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

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Speaker 1: don't haunt me. Gay Bye.