WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: How Storm Chasers Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to text Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with our Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and today it's time

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<v Speaker 1>for another classic episode. We are going to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>how storm chasers work. This episode originally published on July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, two thousand thirteen, and we've been getting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of storms here in Georgia, so it seems pretty

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<v Speaker 1>a proposed that we go back and revisit this, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's listen in. This is our warning, which we will

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<v Speaker 1>be repeating at the end of the episode. Storm chasing

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<v Speaker 1>is seriously dangerous business. This is not a hobbyist thing, um,

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<v Speaker 1>though some people treated that way. It is you are

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<v Speaker 1>putting yourself at serious risk when you are encountering major

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<v Speaker 1>storm fronts, including but not limited to tornadoes. So we

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<v Speaker 1>want to get all the way and um, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who go about storm chasing our professionals. They are researchers,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been trained, um and and they do serious work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not just all about the thrill. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that part of it for these people is a thrill.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but the number of tornadoes in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States has increased since the nineteen sixties, but the number

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<v Speaker 1>of deaths in the US has declined due to these

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<v Speaker 1>brave people's work. Right, we're learning more about these systems

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<v Speaker 1>and how to predict them. Now, granted, prediction is about

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<v Speaker 1>all we can do because these are major storm systems

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't understand so much energy, and the energy

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<v Speaker 1>and these storm systems rivals that of a nuclear bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>They can they can reach above three miles an hour. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is serious business. So let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about what storm chasers are and what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>So they do tend to fall into three major categories.

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<v Speaker 1>You've at your scientific researchers, which I would say are

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<v Speaker 1>probably the majority of well until recently, anyway, we're the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of storm chasers. These are the men and women

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<v Speaker 1>who dedicate their their lives to studying storm systems, gathering data,

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to learn everything we can about them so

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<v Speaker 1>that our forecast models get more and more precise, so

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<v Speaker 1>that we can increase the levels of safety not just

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<v Speaker 1>of where we build things, but how we build them

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<v Speaker 1>and how to get people in out of harm's way.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one group. Another group are professionals who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to capture video or still images of storms and

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<v Speaker 1>then sell them to either a news outlet or a

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<v Speaker 1>magazine or television show, or just to any other type

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<v Speaker 1>of customer. So they're trying to turn storm chasing into profit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then your third category are your thrill seekers, who

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<v Speaker 1>are treating it like a hobby. They want they want

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<v Speaker 1>to witness the awesome power of a storm, which can

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<v Speaker 1>be really amazing to behold, but it is so dangerous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that really technically most storm chasers fall

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<v Speaker 1>into all three categories in some way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's it's it's that's true. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it is a business. And most of them

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<v Speaker 1>do take footage while they're in the most of them

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<v Speaker 1>are also doing research and are probably excited about. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got you've got some hobbyists who are just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to see a really cool storm. And you've got some

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<v Speaker 1>companies that are operating tourism where it's actually they're creating

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<v Speaker 1>a business where they're taking people out on tours to

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<v Speaker 1>try and see one of these storms. Uh So there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily that you you only belong to one category.

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<v Speaker 1>You might span multiple categories, but that's generally how folks

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<v Speaker 1>kind of classify them. Uh Now, really, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to what we need to talk about, what is

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<v Speaker 1>an actual tornado, because that's mainly what storm chasers are

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with. They also will take a look into huge

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<v Speaker 1>thunderstorm systems, super cells, things like that. Uh. Also, some

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers will have some experience with things like hurricanes,

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<v Speaker 1>which are different from tornadoes. Yeah, it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um implied that hurricane chasers are not really

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers because you're not so much chasing a hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>you know where it is. Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hurricanes are very different from tornadoes. Tornadoes are, Like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>they are pretty mysterious. We don't understand fully how they form,

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that's making them form, or why they

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<v Speaker 1>form in once circumstances. But in another set that seems identical,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. So that means there's there's probably some other

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<v Speaker 1>factors there that we just aren't really completely aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that creates some randomness in this event which would

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<v Speaker 1>cause them to form in one case and not another.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we need to kind of define what

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado is. Okay, well, so it's a it's a swirling,

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<v Speaker 1>massive air um It is spawned from a areas of

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<v Speaker 1>severe thunderstorms called super cells, which are storm clouds that

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<v Speaker 1>can reach like six miles up into the atmosphere. These

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<v Speaker 1>are tall, tall cloud systems, and it has enough energy

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<v Speaker 1>to create a cyclone, a spinning air right now, if

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go into an even more in depth definition,

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<v Speaker 1>the Glossary of Meteorology says that it's a violently rotating

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<v Speaker 1>column of air pendant from a cumuli form cloud or

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<v Speaker 1>underneath a cumuli form cloud, and often but not always

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<v Speaker 1>visible as a funnel cloud. So literally, in order for

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<v Speaker 1>a vortex to be classified as a tornado, it must

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<v Speaker 1>actually be in contact with the ground and otherwise otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>it is just a funnel right, yeah, So it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be in contact with the ground, has to be

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<v Speaker 1>from the ground all the way up to the cloud base.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not all the way up to the cloud base,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be what is called a gust nado or

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<v Speaker 1>you know some people call them like you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>little dust storms you'll see like a little twisting motion.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are not actually tornadoes unless they extend all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up to the cloud base. So it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be from the cloud base to the ground for it

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<v Speaker 1>to actually be a tornado. Now, usually within a tornado

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<v Speaker 1>you've got wind sheer going on. That's that's winds at

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<v Speaker 1>different altitudes that are blowing in different directions. Um, that

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<v Speaker 1>that end up, you know, creating this rotation. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rotation in the northern hemisphere tends to be counterclockwise

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<v Speaker 1>and in the southern hemisphere it tends to be clockwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not a hard and fast rule. You can

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<v Speaker 1>actually have the same way that that you can technically

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<v Speaker 1>in the northern hemisphere. See water go down the drain. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The core Lanus effect is one of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will cite when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff that really applies to huge bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>not tiny ones. But in this relatively tiny ones, I

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<v Speaker 1>should say. But in this case, you can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>storm systems that have both counter clockwise and clockwise moving

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<v Speaker 1>tornadoes within one system. So it's not like a in

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<v Speaker 1>fast rule, it's just more of a tendency. So. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also this thing called a messo cyclone. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a a twisting vortex of air that goes

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<v Speaker 1>through a cloud system. But imagine that it's horizontal, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't it's not it's not vertical yet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a messo cyclone. It's kind of like what

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado would look like if you put it on

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<v Speaker 1>its side up in the clouds, all right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get these these wind sheer uh factors, these these

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<v Speaker 1>sharp moving horizontal winds that can telt the messo cyclone

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<v Speaker 1>so that it is upright. And if it does in

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<v Speaker 1>fact go upright and the base of it touches the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when you get your tornado. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a very similar set of circumstances that

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<v Speaker 1>in one case spawn a tornado and then another do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Um, what what helps with the tornado is

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<v Speaker 1>when you get these inflow bands, which are which are

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<v Speaker 1>ragged bands of cumulance clouds that that um extend out away,

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<v Speaker 1>usually to the south or southeast here in the northern hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and uh. It suggests that the storm is is

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<v Speaker 1>gathering low level air from several miles away and and

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<v Speaker 1>sucking in that that hot moist air that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be fueling the storm. Right now, I've heard another

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<v Speaker 1>term when it comes to tornadoes, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you actually know anything about it, because it intrigues me,

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<v Speaker 1>it tasks me. And this is the term beaver tail.

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<v Speaker 1>A beaver's tail, Am I am? I crazy? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>that associated with tornadoes? Now? This is a thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a smooth, flat cloud band that that extends again

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<v Speaker 1>in the northern hemisphere from the from the eastern edge

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<v Speaker 1>of the storm going out to the east or southeast

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<v Speaker 1>or eastern northeast. I'm sorry, um, and uh it It

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<v Speaker 1>also just suggests the presence of rotation. Got you. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>so in the storm systems, you have areas where there

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<v Speaker 1>is precipitation and you have areas where there's no precipitation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the beaver's tail is in the no precipitation area.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of one of the borders of these

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<v Speaker 1>storm systems. So if you see a storm system that

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<v Speaker 1>has several of these indicators, that's one of those those

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<v Speaker 1>warning signs to say this is the sort of situation

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<v Speaker 1>in which tornadoes can form. Right, all of these situations

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<v Speaker 1>can happen in completely benign, regular old thunderstorms, that nearly

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<v Speaker 1>terrify your dog. And uh, wall cloud is another one

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<v Speaker 1>that said, that's a cloud that seems like it's descending

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<v Speaker 1>from the bottom of the storm. Um, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>actually one of the more present that that's like your

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty minute warning if a tornado is going

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<v Speaker 1>to form. There, you've got about ten to twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>from when that's when that Yeah, that's that's scary stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when this tornado is forming, you get an updraft,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and that up dress sars to pull in

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<v Speaker 1>low level air from several miles around. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking a huge system here, and that low level air

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<v Speaker 1>is pulled up through the updraft from the rain area,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rain cooled air is incredibly humid, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, the moisture in the rain cool air quickly condenses,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, that's why you get that wall cloud. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know you know that they're the conditions are

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<v Speaker 1>ripe for a tornado to form. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the rear flank down draft or RFD, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>this downward rush of air from from the back end

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<v Speaker 1>of the storm. That's a that's descending along with the

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<v Speaker 1>funnel Wow. Yeah, so this this looks like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bright spot, right, that's what that's what this usually looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually to the rear, and in the northern hemisphere

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<v Speaker 1>it's the southwest side, which I think actually leads to

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<v Speaker 1>a wives tale. There's an old wives tale that if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to if a tornado is approaching and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a basement, you should go and huddle in the

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<v Speaker 1>southwest corner, the idea being that that would be the

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<v Speaker 1>safest way from the path of the tornado. But as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, tornado pathways are not nearly so predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>They are very unpredictable in fact. And um and and

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<v Speaker 1>also that that clear spot just doesn't have rain in it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still actually a space of extreme wind activity. And

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, then you've got the funnel itself, um and

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<v Speaker 1>which the visibility of a tornado will often depend upon

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<v Speaker 1>how much material is in it. Sometimes if usually if

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<v Speaker 1>it's if it's a little bit of material, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's most visible. That's when you can really see

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of the funnel cloud. If it's hits some

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<v Speaker 1>dust or something, right, right, if it's got some debris

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<v Speaker 1>in there, when it's got a lot. It makes it

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see because it just it looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>massive darkness coming at you. By the way, we'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>have some personal stories that we can relate a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because Lauren and I have both experienced being through tornadoes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I I grew up in Northeast Georgia and

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Ohio, and both areas have have

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<v Speaker 1>been the site of tornado activity. Granted, not nearly at

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<v Speaker 1>least in Northeast Georgia. It's not nearly to the same

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<v Speaker 1>extent as places in the Midwest that are in what

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<v Speaker 1>is called tornado Alley, but we still get quite a few. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of tornado Alley, the United States has, or North

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<v Speaker 1>America in general, has has the most tornadoes of any

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<v Speaker 1>place on the planet, about about twelve hundred per year UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is because of of what's called a dry line,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a center of cool, dry air that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming off of the deserts to the west and meeting

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<v Speaker 1>up with the warm, wet air from the oceans of

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<v Speaker 1>the east and causing all kinds of havoc right right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of people will say that tornadoes

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of the result of cold Canadian air mixing

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<v Speaker 1>with the warm, moist air of the Caribbean. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the party gets together and the snowbirds come down and

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy steel drums come up, and then we have

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<v Speaker 1>a big old party in the form of tornado. And

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<v Speaker 1>any storm institute will tell you that's really simplification. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not really that thing. Tornadoes do occur in other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. Absolutely, you find them in pretty much everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that the frequency is much greater in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Sure, after the US, North America, I should say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>after the US, Argentina and Bangladesh have the next two

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<v Speaker 1>highest proportions of tornadoes in per year. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they happen everywhere, right, So a lot of the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have is again, and this comes as

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise to nobody who's been listening to tech stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, going to be very US centric.

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<v Speaker 1>But that kind of makes sense because North America does

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<v Speaker 1>play home to tornadoes. Get a pass in this particular instance.

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<v Speaker 1>Trusts us if you if you live in a place

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<v Speaker 1>that is very, very infrequently hit by tornadoes, just listen

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoy as we discuss the terrifying experience that we

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<v Speaker 1>have gone through as tornadoes have uh you know, rereaked

0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.080
<v Speaker 1>havoc in our homeland. Um. In fact, we can go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and say this, we live in Atlanta right now. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And Atlanta a few years ago was hit by some

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<v Speaker 1>by by a pretty massive tornado that did some major

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<v Speaker 1>damage in downtown went right through downtown Atlanta, which is unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't frequently have tornadoes passed through metropolitan areas. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, there were some theories for a while that

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<v Speaker 1>the the island effect, the heat island effective of cities

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<v Speaker 1>might have something to do with tornado formation. But it

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<v Speaker 1>may just be that's the odds, you know, just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where it's kind of pretty small. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you when you're talking about the grand

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<v Speaker 1>scheme of things in the city is a tiny target

0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and when you talk about the entire United States. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, one went through downtown Atlanta and there for

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<v Speaker 1>for months. There were major buildings in Atlanta that had

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<v Speaker 1>temporary covers over a lot of windows, like high rise building,

0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.040
<v Speaker 1>skyscraper buildings had these these temporary covers on their windows

0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.920
<v Speaker 1>because they had to start replacing all of them, some

0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of which are and buildings that have very um specific

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<v Speaker 1>types of surfaces, Like we have one hotel in downtown

0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta that's essentially a cylinders. It's beautiful, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>mean that replacing the glass is somewhat difficult. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were entire neighborhoods east of downtown that were just laid

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<v Speaker 1>to waste, including some lofts that had just been built.

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<v Speaker 1>They had been converted from old warehouses and old manufacturing plants. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had just been converted into the hill offs

0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and then destroyed. Um that's all been rebuilt now, but

0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, it can hit major cities. We wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a bit about the history of storm chasing and

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<v Speaker 1>just that I've got some about the history of weather

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<v Speaker 1>forecasting in general, just to kind of get an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of how we've come to the point where we're at now. Now, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first date I have is eight forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have anything before that? What? Yes? That was

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<v Speaker 1>the first first or corded account of a tornado. It

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<v Speaker 1>was sure as windy, elt there goes Johnny. It's the

0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.840
<v Speaker 1>village of Rosdala, Ireland. Um, sure as windy, there goes

0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.040
<v Speaker 1>all Shaughnessy and the the the account said that it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a steeple of fire. Wow, that's poetic. We

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<v Speaker 1>usually say that there's a tornado's coming at us right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You hear that train of coming coming around the band? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so four, do you have anything else before the smarty pants?

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<v Speaker 1>So in Professor Joseph Henry of the Smithsonian established a

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<v Speaker 1>network of weather instruments along telegraph companies. So he partnered

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<v Speaker 1>with telegraph companies and helped install these weather instruments at

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<v Speaker 1>their offices in various places around the United States. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he used maps to coordinate between these these different

0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.320
<v Speaker 1>telegraph companies, and so the observations they sent back he

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<v Speaker 1>would end up note making notes on the map, and

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<v Speaker 1>then from that he would start to create weather predictions.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's some of the first weather forecasting in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, beyond just the my knee is aching, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to rain soon, or my dog is freaking out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so he starts doing this. But there was a

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<v Speaker 1>little event in the United States that kind of disrupted

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<v Speaker 1>the whole project. That was called the Civil War. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of ended up taking over the telegraph lines

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<v Speaker 1>for a while or mysterious reasons in eighteen sixty five. However,

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<v Speaker 1>after the conclusion of the Civil War, Professor Henry then

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that all meteorological observations reorganized under a single agency

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<v Speaker 1>as a means of predicting storms and warning coastal shipping.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was the very beginning of developing a national

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<v Speaker 1>bureau to oversee this and study it and make forecasts.

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<v Speaker 1>So eighteen seventy was when the United States formed the

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<v Speaker 1>Weather Bureau, and that's a year Congress established a National

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<v Speaker 1>Weather Warning Service under the Secretary of War. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to get interesting because this particular office ended

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.400
<v Speaker 1>up playing hop scotch with the various departments of government.

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.399
<v Speaker 1>It started off under the Secretary of War mainly because

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<v Speaker 1>the military had the most advanced censors will not really

0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.200
<v Speaker 1>even censors at this point, but just communication lines. So

0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the military was put in charge of this. And also

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<v Speaker 1>it was a matter of national security in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>so the Secretary of War oversaw this Weather Bureau department,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Army Signal Corps assumed responsibility for taking observations

0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>at military installations and warning people of storms. Uh. About

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years later, in eight nine, the Weather Service Organic

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Act transferred the Weather Reporting Services from the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>War to the Department of Agriculture. Would not be the

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<v Speaker 1>last time that it would jump ship. Meanwhile, in eighteen

0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.159
<v Speaker 1>seventy four, there's a report of John Mere crazy person,

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.960
<v Speaker 1>climbing the top of a hundred foot hauled Douglas spruce

0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:05.240
<v Speaker 1>during a fierce windstorm and writing extensively about how really

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.879
<v Speaker 1>cool it was. Storm chaser, storm chaser, early storm chaser.

0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.879
<v Speaker 1>Also in um in eighteen eighty four that August is

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<v Speaker 1>the first known photograph of a tornado taken UM, specifically

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.440
<v Speaker 1>in South Dakota. Yeah, not from the inside. No. In

0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.959
<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineties six, that was when the first hurricane warning

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 1>service was established in the United States, And in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o nine, the Weather Bureau began a regular program of

0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.439
<v Speaker 1>balloon upper air observation. So this is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of weather balloons. There had been some work with

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<v Speaker 1>it earlier, but this was the first time that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau itself had started to fund a weather balloon program.

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<v Speaker 1>And weather balloons are pretty much what they sound like.

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<v Speaker 1>They are balloons that carry some form of sensor, whether

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just something to measure wind speed or humidity or

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<v Speaker 1>barometric pressure or whatever. And the and send either record

0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 1>it and then you retreat the balloon and see what

0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.159
<v Speaker 1>the recordings were, or if it has some sort of

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 1>transfre modern ly, it will transmit back to a computer exactly, yeah,

0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>or at least a radio station, so you'll get some

0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.879
<v Speaker 1>sort of report back on current atmospheric conditions and in

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<v Speaker 1>the upper atmosphere where you know, you can't just go

0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 1>outside and say it's raining, you know, this is more

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<v Speaker 1>like what are the directions of of airflow at higher

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<v Speaker 1>elevation the temperature exactly. Uh. In n a Russian meteorologist

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<v Speaker 1>attached a radio mediocraft to a sounding balloon. Oh there's

0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 1>some thunder out there, And that was the development of

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.360
<v Speaker 1>what we consider the modern weather balloons. So the previous

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>weather balloons were kind of early attempts at using balloons

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>together more information. But this is when we're actually starting

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to get information in real time radioed back very early

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.639
<v Speaker 1>on still and by six that's when the Weather Bureau

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 1>began operation of weather balloons, collecting information such as atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity,

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.800
<v Speaker 1>wind direction, and speed. So by six we're starting to

0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 1>get a fairly robust weather reporting system. Uh. In ninety

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the weather breh jumps ship again and becomes part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Commerce, so once again playing hop scotch.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is which is where it still is today, I believe. Yeah,

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 1>although it's not the Weather Bureau anymore. We'll we'll talk

0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.680
<v Speaker 1>about that in the second right. Also circuit circer World

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.680
<v Speaker 1>War two. Um, we started to see people flying into

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 1>hurricanes directly to study them. Yes, we call these crazy people, uh,

0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 1>brave people who really were really were trying to advance science.

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.359
<v Speaker 1>They were not doing this, you know, Willy nilly. This

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<v Speaker 1>was wow. There when that storm's coming right up on us,

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.919
<v Speaker 1>it's hitting rant forest. Uh, it's a tornador. Um, it's not,

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just a thunder storm. Hey guys, it's Jonathan here.

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I got a storm rolling in. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break, but we'll be right back. Is

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<v Speaker 1>also when Roger Jensen started to become active, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the people that we referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>an early storm chaser, right. I believe he chased his

0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.600
<v Speaker 1>first storm in nineteen fifty three with his father. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the date that I have. Oh yeah, I got I

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>just had. Nineteen forties was when he started. But it's

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that was that was a very general kind of answer

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<v Speaker 1>from the site I was looking at a time, maybe

0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in fact more accurate and uh. Roger Jensen was was

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a Turkey processing plant worker and farmer who got deeply

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.479
<v Speaker 1>involved in the storm in the growing storm chasing movement.

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 1>He was, yeah, really one of the founders there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>another one being David Hold And you have some information

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<v Speaker 1>about him, right, Um. I think he began in nineteen

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>sixty five and following his his first experience there, he

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 1>chased storms just all the time. He was from False Church, Virginia. Yes,

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he was very much active in that, along

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>with another UM scientist of one of the first storm

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 1>chasing scientists, Neil Ward. Uh. Again in a very early

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>storm chaser. Meanwhile, while all this storm chasing is starting,

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's just the earliest days of storm chasing. Back

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 1>in ninety eight, there was an Air Force captain who

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<v Speaker 1>later became a colonel named Robert Miller and also Major

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Ernest Fawbush, who were the first on record in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to successfully forecast a tornado. They actually forecasted

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>in central Oklahoma. They were observing conditions that were very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to a tornado that had hit the base four

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>days earlier, and they said, these conditions are ripe for

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>another tornado based on all that information, and so they

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>actually began to discuss with the higher ranked members of

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the base there about whether or not they should take action. Ultimately,

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>they decided that they should prepare for the potential of

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>another tornado. So they acted as if another tornado was

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>going to hit. The next day, another tornado did hit

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the base. That was two tornadoes that hit the very

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>same base within the span of five days, which was,

0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty remarkable. I mean, you're talking about again,

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 1>a massive area, and for two tornadoes to hit the

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 1>same place within the span of a week is pretty rare.

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that was the first successful forecasting of a

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>tornado on record in the United States. UM and nine,

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the Weather Bureau provoked a ban on mentioning tornadoes forecasts.

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 1>So you might wonder why was there a ban in place.

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Why could not weather forecasters say, hey, conditions are right

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>for tornado. Here are the reasons. One, tornadoes at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, were largely mysterious forces that were just kind

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of considered acts of God, that these were events that

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>would come down strike with incredible fury, things that would

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>say insight, large spread panic Exactly. The thought was that

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you would do more harm than good by saying, hey,

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>there may be a tornado on the way, because no

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>one knew exactly what they were supposed to do. By

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<v Speaker 1>n fifty, they the Weather Bureau had decided that this

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>was no longer a responsible course of action, and that,

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in fact, it would revoke that ban. By the way,

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the band was not always a formal band. Sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>was just highly discouraged from mentioning that conditions were right

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>for a tornado. But at this point they said that

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>that was no longer going to be an official policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh in uh, you had mentioned that earlier about the

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers. That's also the same year when the Weather

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Bureau changed. It's uh, well, there was a reorganization of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Commerce, and so that reorganization ended up

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>creating something called the Environmental Science and Services Administration, or SA,

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and that organization changed the Weather Bureau to the National

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Weather Service, which will sound a lot more familiar I

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>think to many of our listeners. Um. And in nineteen

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>seventy the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration formed and replaced SA.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's also known as Noah in o a A.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to see the headquarters of Noah. We we

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>visited Discovery headquarters up in Maryland right down the street. Yeah,

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>we saw Noah, and then people from Noah invited us

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to go and see their stuff and talk to them,

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>which we are totally going to do as soon as

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>we can arrange it because that is mega awesome, cool,

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>really exciting. UM. Part part of what Noah was doing

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies was establishing sky Warn, which is

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a volunteer program that that currently certainly at the time

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.479
<v Speaker 1>it did not have this money. It currently has like

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>two thousand trained volunteers working across the country. Is a

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>network to to observe and report storms. Yeah, in nineteen

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>seventy two, you had the first federally funded storm chasing program.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Where before we had storm chasers, but they were all

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>acting more or less on their own. They had, you know,

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>no official government backing, at least not from the federal level.

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And now that had changed in nineteen seventy two, you

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>had a federally funded program. Uh, their first sampling of

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a tornado wouldn't happen until nineteen seventy three in Oklahoma,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>which as we know right there in the middle of

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>tornado Alley. Uh Now, I'm going to skip a whole

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>bunch of years here only to mention one of the

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>most famous programs in storm chasing, which is Vortex. Vortex

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.719
<v Speaker 1>is an acronym. Of course, it stands for a Verification

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Origin of Rotation in Tornadoes experiment. So the

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>E X and VORTEX is from X barriment that was

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>led by Eric Resmussen of Noah's National Severe Storms Laboratory

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>or in S. S. L UM And hey, I said

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>laboratory instead of laboratory. You did it. I didn't even

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>have to think about that time. Vortex, by the way,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 1>was not the only program called that. There was a

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>second one, Vortex two, which launched in two thousand nine.

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>But there was an unusually quiet tornadoes season in two

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, which meant only one tornado was sampled that year.

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>It was sampled in Lagrange, Wyoming, but it was the

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>most intensively observed tornado at that time because there was

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>so much equipment present at that moment. In two, Vortex

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to actually sampled quite a few super cells and a

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>few week tornadoes as well, and gathered a lot of information. Now,

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>during this span of time. There were a lot of

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>other UH storm chasers that were active right UM. During

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>during the nine seventies, UH David Hoadley founded storm Track magazine.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It was becoming that hobbyist movement that we were talking

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>about a little bit before. UM and and you know,

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>he was publishing articles in National Geographic and Scientific American UM.

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>There were programs on the History Channel in ABC. UM.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It was becoming very much in the public eye, especially

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>with the creation of these government agencies or the recreation

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>of these government agents. Yeah. Yeah, some of these agencies.

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>By the way, you know, we talked about it. You know,

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen sixties, there were there was more than a

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred years of information gathered. UH. And it's interesting that

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of a you know, that chain was

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>never broken. It It did transform quite a few times,

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>but they remained like the information itself remained intact. And

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>it really wasn't until we started getting um uh you know,

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>small commercial or small non commercial vehicles, UM cars that

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>people could go out and drive around in too to

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>respond very quickly to the movement of a storm and

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>UM and furthermore, the UH you know, communication technology advancing

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to the point where through through radio and the beginnings

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>of satellite and cell phones and etcetera, that we can

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>start to be responsive right right. In fact, we're gonna

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>talk some more about that technology, the stuff that storm

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>chasers use in order to track storms and to measure

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>their impact. We'll also talk about how we classify tornadoes,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting story all on its own. But

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.320
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0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>so back to tornadoes. Let's talk about how we measure

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>how strong a tornado is. It's actually kind of an

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting story. Yeah, there's a scale called the Fugita scale. Yeah,

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the Fugita Pierson Tornado scale. Originally in its in its

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>first format, it ranged from F zero up to theoretically

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>F twelve. F twelve would have measured the wind speed

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>at mock one, which is the speed of sound. I

0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't like that idea. So well, uh, those

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>people would say that that to really think of the

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>scale and practical terms, you would go from F zero

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to F six, the idea being that anything over F

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>six would have probably not we never would see wind

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>speeds at that intenscy. Hey, man, don't argue with me, thunder.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying what I read. I really hope that's

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>actually coming through on the mic, because if not, we

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>sound really just crazy. Particularly so it's okay, there really

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>is thunder out there. You might not hear it, but

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>we do anyway. So the scale was proposed back in

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>ninete and it was proposed by Professor Fujita and Alan Pearson,

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>who was the director of the National Severe Storm Forecast

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Center at that time. And it's kind of a weird

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 1>scale in the way. Um it's a scale that determines

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the tornado's strength based upon the amount of damage it did, right,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>And the problem being that, um, we've never really been

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>very good at measuring how powerful a tornado is at

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the time, because first of all, they're pretty unpredictable. Second

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>of all, they have been very quickly and end very quickly.

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>And third of all, they're so powerful that our sentation

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>gets pretty banged up. Yeah it gets it gets jankie. Yeah,

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't really end up with like a working sensor

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>after a tornado has finished playing with it in many

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>In many cases, so getting a tornado's wind speed while

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the tornado is actually active is incredibly difficult. Like you said, Lauren,

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>we don't even know where they're going to form or

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>where they're going to go from and to that we

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know what path they'll take. Um So getting an

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>accurate reading on wind speed while it's happening is really

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>hard to do, right. And of course we can tell

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>how fast they're traveling along the ground, how sure clouds

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>are going in relation to the ground due to Doppler radar. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>we can. We can track a tornado and say, all right,

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the tornado itself traveled at a speed of sixteen miles

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>per hour from west to east, like we can say

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that what's going on within it? It's very different, much

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>more mysterious. So Professor Fagitta and Alan Pearson came up

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>with a scale where they would look at the damage

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>that was left after a tornado had passed through and

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>said what speed of wind would be required in order

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to do this amount of damage. In other words, we

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>were establishing how strong the tornado was after it had

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>already happened by just looking at the devastation that had left. Now,

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the early scale was not terribly specific, and uh was

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>not really or maybe I should say not terribly precise.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>There was an attempt to increase the precision and create

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the enhanced Fujita Pearson scale. Yeah, every first two thousand

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 1>seven was when it was updated. We call e F

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 1>not just F. So if you ever hear like an

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>F five tornado, that's really using an outdated format. It's

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>really e F five what we would say now And

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.919
<v Speaker 1>what does that translate to in terms that we mere

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>mortals can understand? Well, First of all, the way they

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>determine the scale is they look at the type of

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>damage that's done and to the type of structures or

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 1>landscape that it hits. So to really determine that, they

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>look at, you know, if you say that a building

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 1>was completely demolished, what was the type of building right now?

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>How is how is it built, how sturdy was it

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in the first place, what materials went into making it exactly?

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>And then and then and there's this really complex fact

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>sheet that they have ranked out of different types of

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>buildings and feel like twenty eight or twenty nine different

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>designations for the type of building or landscape. And then

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>they numerical scale for how much damage was done to

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.800
<v Speaker 1>from one day eight right, so eight being the greatest.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>So if you had like a concrete steel reinforced building

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.919
<v Speaker 1>and the devastation was at eight that was the most

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>unimaginably powerful tornado that could have possibly hit us. And

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>then here's the thing, there's no upper limit to this scale,

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>because there may be tornadoes that can destroy the strongest

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff we build old, and since we're basing it on devastation,

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>you can't get more devastating than total loss. Right, So

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>if you have total loss, you essentially say that was

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>a really powerful tornado. You know, you can't get more

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 1>specific than that, because it could be that it's more

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>powerful than our scale would even indicate. But after you've

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>lost everything, that's kind of a moot point, right right,

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 1>which is basically what they're saying with a with a

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>e F five would be wind speeds over two hundred

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>miles an hour, yeah, which, yeah, you get into a

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>point where strong frame houses could be lifted into the

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>air and carried a considerable distance before it was dropped

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>again to oz for example. Yeah, So e F zero

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>would be the lowest. That's between sixty five miles per

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>hour winds. Then at e F one would be two

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>miles per hour. Two goes up to a hundred and

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty five miles per hour, three goes up to a

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty five four goes up to two hundred

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and then anything over that. Yeah, five now, and in

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the old scale you had up to F six really

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>was what was being described. And under that old scale

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and F six tornado was called an inconceivable tornado. Was

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>it for real? Yes, that's amazing. I don't think that

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 1>tornado means what you think it means, um. But at

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>that point they said that the wind speeds were unlikely

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 1>to happen at that intensity that was described as three

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>D nineteen to three hundred and seventy nine miles per hour.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the highest on record is three I believe,

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>which is why would be the F six And that

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the idea here was that you might not even be

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>able to tell that it was in F six tornado

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>because anything from F five would leave essentially total devastation

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>in its wake, right, so more total devastation, they said,

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Essentially you would have to verify it by looking at

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the evidence of the ground swirl pattern. Yeah, it's kind

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>of crazy. So the point being that it's about the

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 1>best we can do simply because again it's really hard

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to get a read on a tornado while it's happening.

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 1>We really can only look at what happened afterward and say, well,

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>based upon this, we deduce the tornado was x strong.

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>You know. So with that in mind, what is the

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of gear that we use for storm chasing and

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 1>measuring this kind of stuff? I mean, you've got your

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>basic weather uh sensors, things like a barometer, which reads

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>barometric pressure. In general, tornado's form after a drop in

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>air pressure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>sudden drop followed by a tornado. The drop can actually

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>happen several days before a tornado forms if there's a

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>low pressure system moving in on a broad scale. So

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>it's also very difficult to measure barometric pressure within a

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>tornado because the instruments very rarely survived. However, we will

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>talk about uh someone who did manage to do that.

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>That will be towards the end of our pot cast. Um.

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Then there's the anemometer, right, there's there's blade and anemometers

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and thermometers. And I had to I had to steady

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>myself to say anemometer, you did, you didn't? He took

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 1>a release afterwards, UM, And the analog blade ones are

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen a like a spoked series of

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>arms or cups perched atop field cylinder. That's that is why. Yeah,

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it's designed to measure wind speed. So if you've ever

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>seen one of those things, it looks like it's a

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>little pin wheel type thing, sometimes horizontally aligned with little

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>cups at the end of the arms. It's spinning around

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>in a circle. Uh. This does not tell us anything

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>about wind direction, but it does tell us about wind speed. Essentially,

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about how quickly is this thing spinning, and

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>from that we can derive how how fast the wind

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 1>is blowing. It only really works at the wind is

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 1>blowing in a steady direction. If it starts blowing in

0:39:56.480 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>various directions, that can really mess with the readings. But um,

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>you know that that's how we kind of determine wind speed.

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Of course, thermometers tell us things about temperature, uh, and

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.720
<v Speaker 1>we can learn about humidity through various means. So getting

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>to the basic gears of storm chasers. A lot of

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the basic gears the kind of stuff that you might

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 1>have at your disposal already, things like laptop computers, which WiFi,

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>digital cameras, video cameras that are both for video or

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>for still photography, radio's walkie talkies, ham CB anything that

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 1>they can get their hands on, police scanners, that kind

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Stuff that allows them to keep track of

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the movement of weather systems. Uh, you know, anything that

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>will give them the most up to date, mediate communication

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>with anyone who is providing information about that storm. Right.

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, the video cameras are obviously there

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to document the actual storms, to watch their behavior, to

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>take footage, possibly to sell that footage later on, or

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just so that you can use it for

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>research purposes. Uh, it could be a combination purposes, journalists

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>purposes obviously. Yeah, and so those are those are your basic, uh,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 1>pieces of equipment. There's some interesting approaches to studying tornadoes,

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 1>some of which are not necessarily used that frequently today.

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you run into the term tornado photo grammy tree?

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I did not photographm A tree is an older form

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and we don't tend to use it as much because

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not terribly precise. That's the use of film or

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.720
<v Speaker 1>video to determine the speed of movement of some kind

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>of tracer element. So you take a tracer element as

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 1>a point of reference. This is not necessarily something that

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you've introduced to the tornado. It may be something that

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the tornado has already picked up, like I don't know,

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>a tractor, and it's usually a large piece of debris

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of or some sort of persistent element in the cloud itself.

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And from this you can start to infer what the

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 1>wind speed is with varying and sometimes unknown reliability. So

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you analyze how the winds beat is by measuring the

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>movement of this this persistent element. You know, you're how

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>frequently is it coming around over and over? And from

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that you can sit there and say, well, the wind

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>speed appears to be this. It was used more in

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.399
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies and the nine eighties, but we kind

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of replace this with something that's far more reliable, namely

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Doppler radar. Uh. In fact, we have Doppler radar that's mobile.

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>It's called Doppler on wheels or Dow Dow and Doppler

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on wheels. Those are the main tools used in the

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>effort to determine the strength of tornado winds today. So

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>that raises the question what is Doppler radar and how

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>does that work? Well? The Doppler effect we we have

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>talked about on the show before. But it is the

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:52.839
<v Speaker 1>effect of electromagnetic waves crunching up as something moves towards you,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>right right. It's same thing with sound, right, So it's

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>not it's any kind of wave. If it's moving toward you,

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the frequency of the way of increases because the object

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 1>is actually moving, uh, towards you. If it's moving away,

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the frequency decreases. Those waves along gate. So in sound

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and for once, it's amazing that we can't hear it

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>because whenever we record tech stuff there seems to always

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>be sirens going off in the background. But with sound,

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like if a police car has its siren running and

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it's coming towards you, you might hear a higher pitch

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>and then after it passes you, it goes to a

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 1>lower pitch. That's an example of the Doppler effect with

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>sound waves. Same thing is true with electromagnetic waves. And

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>radar uses electronomagnetic waves to kind of get an idea

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>of where other objects are. Radio waves right, um, it's

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it will shoot a very quick like millisecond burst of

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>radio waves called a pulse, called a pulse out you know,

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>hopefully towards an object or sometimes just to see what's

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>out there. And um, and then it will measure the

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>length of time between when it's sent and when an

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>echo comes back, and we'll also measure the the the

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Doppler effect, the phase is the phase of that of

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>that wave. So between the phase of the wave and

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>how long it took for the wave to return back

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>from the echo of the wave to return back, it

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>can determine the location and uh, whether or not something's

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>moving toward it or away from it. And in a

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>vague concept of how fast by kind of mathematically computing,

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 1>if you measure between pulses, you start to get an idea, Oh, well,

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>not only is it moving towards me, but it's moving

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>towards me at this general speed. So double on wheels

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 1>of course very useful because that means that you can

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>move the the the radar around so that you can

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>get a better idea of the speed of the storm

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 1>itself and even get an idea of the strength of

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the tornado. Right. However, these these vehicles have to stay

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>between two and eight miles away from a tornado to

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 1>be effective, right, And it's mostly effective if it's encountering

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:52.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff that is fairly large in the in the relative

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>scheme of things. So in other words, if there's precipitation,

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that's great. That means that there's more stuff for the

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>radar waves to bounce off of, and that could be.

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 1>If it's larger range ups, that's even better. If it's hailstones,

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic because that gets a lot more for the Doppler.

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>For anyone who's caught underneath it, hailstones are terrible. You

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>do not want to be under them. But for for

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the purposes of radar, it works really, really well. And

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the strongest wind speed determined from a DOW

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>is at least from the data I was able to find.

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, some of this data is several years

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 1>old because all of it comes from government sources and

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>reports can take a while and to become publicly available.

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 1>But the strongest I was able to find was three

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred and two miles per hour. So I saw I

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>saw a report of one from Oklahoma in that that

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>that recorded the world record speed of three Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah,

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 1>my my latest records are later than your latest. Rick.

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Jonathan, again, storm has gone through. But now

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I kind of have to go outside and pick up

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>some branches. So we're gonna take a quick break, but

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back. There's a specific type of radar

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that has been used for some storm tracking technology. It's

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>called smart R, which is again yet another acronym, stands

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>for Shared Mobile Atmospheric Research and Teaching Radar. This is

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.919
<v Speaker 1>one that is mainly used for research. It's used both

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 1>for hurricanes and for tornadoes and UM. So you know

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that this combination of technology is used to really get

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 1>as much information about strength and speed as we possibly

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.720
<v Speaker 1>can so that we can add to our body of knowledge. UM.

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And then there's some private chase teams and tours that

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>have marine radars mounted on their vehicles. However, you should

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 1>know this is decoration. Marine radars are useless when it

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>comes to storm chasing and storm tracking. It's promotional purposes

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>only they're not used in research UM and actually marine

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>radar signals can interfere with research units like DOWS. So

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>don't do it. Storm chasing companies, don't put marine radar

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>on your trucks and then use them. Yeah, that's pretty silly.

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 1>There are some projects that have been very interesting but

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>not very successful. Uh. TOTO is one of my favorites.

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>TOTO standing for total BO Tornado Observatory now TOTO, of course,

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>is also obviously a reference to fantastic documentary about a

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:48.760
<v Speaker 1>tourist from Kansas who visits an exotic land and kills

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the one of the leaders of that land, two of them. Actually.

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Total was developed by Dr Allen Bettard and Carl Ramsey

0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:00.479
<v Speaker 1>in ninety nine, first deployed by them in nineteen d one,

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and basically it was an oil drum, like a fifty

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>five gallon oil drum with some stuff in it, with

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>some instruments in it. The idea that the tornado would

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>pick this drum up and we would gather the information

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>from the instruments inside, and hopefully the drum would protect

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 1>the instruments so that the information would be usable. Right, So,

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>how did that work out? Well? Um, it weighed four

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds, which is or so and so not actually

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>very well. I mean, first of all, you know they

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>were working in the early nine eighties when, uh we

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>did not have the kind of communication technology that would

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 1>allow people to really effectively chase storms. So it was

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>it was it was pretty much a crapshoot of whether

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or not they would leave this thing in a place

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 1>that would were likely to get picked up. Keep in mind,

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the benefit of a laptop with WiFi,

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 1>so they have radio. They could have radio, so they

0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 1>could they could get radio updates, but without the ability

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to actually track a storm on a computer and see

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.399
<v Speaker 1>it and be able to anticipate where it's going to move,

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>it made it much more difficult to get to the

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.879
<v Speaker 1>right place at the right time. Sure Also, it took

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds to deploy from the back of a of

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a specially created truck um which is which sounds like

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a short period of time, but but that is tremendously

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.359
<v Speaker 1>long when a tornado is bearing down on you, yea,

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>or if you're anticipating a tornado, keep in mind we

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.240
<v Speaker 1>were talking about that wall cloud, which was the indicator

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that a tornado could touch down within ten to twenty minutes.

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 1>If it takes you half an hour to unpack your equipment,

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>just finding out where the tornado might touch down and

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>then getting the equipment out and set on the ground.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>First of all, it may be too late, maybe that

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the tornado has touched down while you were trying to

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>get your your equipment out, in which case you may

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>be in serious danger or things conditions could have changed

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to the point where the place where you thought was

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the perfect spot is no longer anywhere close to where

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the tornado may touch down. So it was very difficult.

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It as a surprise to no one. Was never really

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>picked up by a tornado. Uh No, it did it.

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 1>A tornado did run over it once in um when

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the NSSL had had taken over for it, and um,

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>mostly the tornado just knocked it over and damaged the instruments.

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, but then it served as inspiration for another

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 1>fictional device, didn't, Yes, it did. Toto was the inspiration

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>for Dorothy, which was the fictional device in the film Twister. Yeah.

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.439
<v Speaker 1>So the movie that made us believe that a cow

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 1>could be picked up by a tornado and still be

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 1>perfectly cow like, willing to move at any rate. Yeah,

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and and not turned into hamburger. Um. Yeah it was. Uh.

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Dorothy was the name of the device they wanted to

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 1>deploy in the film and try and get it in

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the path of the tornado. It was inspired by the

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 1>real world analog Toto in in reality, Toto was scrapped

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:02.439
<v Speaker 1>in ya um. But yeah. However, there are many other

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 1>instruments that have been created for similar purposes. UM. One

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:10.359
<v Speaker 1>is called a turtle, which is a kind of hub

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 1>cap looking little devices that are They were debuted, I

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>believe in nineteen six, and we're we're on that beginning

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>edge of digital technology. They were not meant to be

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 1>picked up. They were actually designed as heavy, squat and aerodynamic,

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the idea being that they could withstand the the wind

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 1>forces of a tornado so that you could retrieve them

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 1>and find out all the information you needed things like temperature, pressure, humidity,

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and not just get picked up like the like total was.

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>It was just meant to be there so that you

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.879
<v Speaker 1>can recover it afterward the tornado had passed through. There

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.439
<v Speaker 1>are also snails which are similar in appearance, but are

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>outfitted with these seismic sensors because there was a theory

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>at some point that UM, if we can study the

0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 1>vibrations that tornadoes create in the ground, it we would

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:04.400
<v Speaker 1>be able to learn new fun stuff about them. Huh interesting,

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I had not heard about that. UM also dellocams and

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Observation zero O Z s ozes. Okay, I just I

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>just got that. I'm sorry, Dorothy Toto and OZ right UM,

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.840
<v Speaker 1>which are which are camera equipment that that has been

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 1>designed to be put in the place, and I totally

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>forgot to write down there's also munchkins, because, as it

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>turns out, storm chasers get hungry and occasionally stop at

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Dunkin Donuts and they just order a bunch of those

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to eat while they're waiting. I just figured that we

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 1>might as well keep on going down this Wizard of

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Oz route. So what about our vehicles? Yeah, okay, so

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:43.359
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the TIV. Yes, the Tornado intercept vehicle. Uh,

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.720
<v Speaker 1>there's actually been a couple of these, um and in fact,

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>there well, tornado intercept vehicle is kind of a generic

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 1>name at this time. At this point, you're really talking

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.839
<v Speaker 1>about any kind of reinforced vehicle, but specifically we're talking

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.800
<v Speaker 1>about essentially, you take you take a pretty heavy vehicle,

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>one that's already pretty rugged, and then you turn it

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:08.760
<v Speaker 1>into a reinforced possibly armor plated, uh possibly augmented vehicle,

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.560
<v Speaker 1>something that looks like it came out of Mad Max. Yeah. Yeah,

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you might be wondering, you know who rules Bartertown by

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.919
<v Speaker 1>the time you see one of these things. Uh, they

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:23.760
<v Speaker 1>are meant to withstand high wind speeds, hail, massive, massive trauma,

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>they're reinforced, and sometimes they have hydraulic panels that can

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 1>actually extend down to the sides of the vehicle. The

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 1>idea being that if you extend the hydraulic panel so

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that it goes from the ground and and leaves no

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>space under the vehicle, then you can't have wind sweeping

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 1>underneath the vehicle and and lift it off or push

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it off. It's it's perch um. Some of them even

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:52.440
<v Speaker 1>have stabilizing jacks that will that will extend down and

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 1>into the ground and stable again, stabilize this so that

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 1>when heavy wind hits it, it doesn't rock over and

0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and tilt over and fall right um. The tip too

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>specifically was was was one that was created that wighed

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 1>about eight tons. Yeah, that's a pretty hefty vehicle and

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 1>also usually has has windows designed so that someone with

0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.240
<v Speaker 1>a camera can get as many different angles as possible.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 1>The the the original was created by one Sean Casey,

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 1>who was an Imax cinematographer who was working towards some

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>some documentary pieces. I remember seeing bits from that. I

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.320
<v Speaker 1>never got to see the full I assume they eventually

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 1>had a more, probably more than one documentary based on this,

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.719
<v Speaker 1>but I do remember seeing excerpts of this, and they

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 1>were pretty fantastic. I also remember seeing at least one

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 1>clip where the crew was concerned that his desire to

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 1>get the best footage was possibly a little reckless. That's

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.799
<v Speaker 1>probably the best way for me to put it. I

0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>have no doubt that that that could be a thing

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that could have happened. Well, what kind of information have

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>storm chasers gathered? Mainly we're talking about atmospheric conditions, things

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 1>like the rotation of the clouds, getting more information about that,

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 1>more information about the actual sequence of events that leads

0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>up to tornado formation, the behavior of the tornadoes themselves,

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>the strength of the tornado. Uh, the you know, We've

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:20.320
<v Speaker 1>got some information about barometric pressure, some things about temperature,

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 1>wind speeds and all this kind of stuff. Humidity. It's

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>really just trying to get as much data as possible

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and sift through it to learn what is it that

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>really makes these things happen? Right, Because some of the

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 1>leading theories for a long time had a lot to

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>do with um with temperature differences, right up until we

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.560
<v Speaker 1>got some data in from tornadoes that said that temperature

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.720
<v Speaker 1>differences in in in airflow do not have to exist

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>for a tornado to be created, right, doesn't have that's

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:52.040
<v Speaker 1>not not a not a necessary factor, right, and so

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's kind of one of those

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:55.960
<v Speaker 1>things where the more we learn, the more we realize

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that we have to learn, and it is so difficult

0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to get good readings. Yeah, and we will come so dangerous. Yeah,

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about such huge forces here that getting a

0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>good reading is just, uh, it's risky and a lot

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff we've developed just can't live up, can't

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 1>hold up to those kind of forces. It can, as

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>we said, be very financially viable. Um one war in

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Fadely is a kind of rock star storm chaser whose

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:24.240
<v Speaker 1>photos of storms can sell for over ten tho dollars

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>a piece. Yeah, yeah, which has inspired a lot of

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.399
<v Speaker 1>people to try and follow in his footsteps. In fact,

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the big controversies. And we can go

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>ahead and move into the controversy of storm chasing. One

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:41.239
<v Speaker 1>of them is that with documentaries with reality television, I mean,

0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.080
<v Speaker 1>we do have storm chasers on Discovery. We've got or

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 1>we had I believe it was. It was ended in

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:50.960
<v Speaker 1>two eleven. Yeah, So, but but there's been some controversy

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:54.439
<v Speaker 1>that these sort of things have inspired lots and lots

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of people to either pursue it as a hobby or

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>go into the tourism trade, that sort of stuff, and

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that that self can add to the already significant danger

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of storm chasing for research purposes or even as a profession,

0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 1>especially considering the fact that if you've got if you

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>do have research professionals who are out there trying to

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.439
<v Speaker 1>be safe, and you get in their way bad times

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>for everybody you can, you can cause traffic jams right

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>when people need to have an open escape route in

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>case the storm changes dramatically, and that can happen. Storm

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 1>storms can travel in one direction and then suddenly veer

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 1>off and you need to be nimble enough to be

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 1>able to respond to that. But if you've got a

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>line of cars behind you and that's the only way out,

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 1>then you're kind of stuck. It also means adding the

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.919
<v Speaker 1>danger of first responders needing to get to locations after

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.919
<v Speaker 1>a tornado has passed through. So it's one of those

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.920
<v Speaker 1>things that has raised some concerns because legally speaking, there

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 1>are no rules or laws regarding storm chasing apart from

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 1>obeying traffic laws and things like trespassing. Clearly, you are

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to trespass on people's property. You aren't supposed to, uh,

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, drive the wrong way down the street, that

0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. But beyond that, there's not really anything.

0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's nothing illegal about storm chasing, but there

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>have been some discussions about that. UM and in we

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 1>had a tragedy in which three storm chasers, famous ones,

0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Tim Samaris, Paul samarrass Son and Carl Young. Uh, they

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.440
<v Speaker 1>died in h an accident. They were caught in a

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.800
<v Speaker 1>tornado near El Reno, Oklahoma. This was on May thirty

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 1>one and ending. They had been part of the Discovery

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>show storm Chasers and full full disclosure, full disclosure. We

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>are hastof works as a part company Discovery. Now we

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>should also say that that they were experienced storm chasers,

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and they were. They were widely regarded as responsible members

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 1>of the community, and they had provided quite a bit

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of scientific research. Absolutely. Tim in fact founded twist decks,

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:06.800
<v Speaker 1>which which is similar to vortex. It's it's an acronym

0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>for the tactical weather instrumented sampling in Tornado's experiment. Yeah,

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>he had an engineering background, uh, and he successfully deployed

0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a turtle that recorded the barometric pressure of two different tornadoes.

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 1>One in two thousand three recorded a barometric drop in

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:27.240
<v Speaker 1>pressure of forty mill of bars, and another one another probe,

0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 1>recorded a one d milli bar drop in a violent

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 1>tornado in South Dakota. UM Later on, other turtles would

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.200
<v Speaker 1>record more baro metic pressure, but his was the first

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 1>one to do that. So he was really contributing to

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the scientific knowledge of tornadoes. And so, uh, their deaths

0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 1>were very tragic obviously, and also raised up a conversation

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:56.920
<v Speaker 1>about is storm chasing something responsible? Is it okay? Should

0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 1>should there be for other things, for for non human

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 1>ways to collect the stata? And and you know, it's

1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>one of those things again where there's There's not been

1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>any official movement as far as I'm aware, but people

1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like the Kansas Emergency Management Association president Brian Stone said

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it was worth looking into establishing at least some rules

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to guide storm chasers, if not formal laws, at least

1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:28.760
<v Speaker 1>uh kind of a code really that storm chasers need

1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to follow. Now, keep in mind, Tim Samaris and his

1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>crew were experts, I mean they were they were known

1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>for being very safety conscious. So this really shows how unpredictable.

1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 1>These storms can be and even if you are at

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the top of your game and you are very careful,

1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 1>tragedy can strike. Yeah, supposedly the storm that that they

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 1>were killed and killed another ten people out in Oklahoma

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and supposedly had one of those very quick turns that

1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.479
<v Speaker 1>no one could have predicted. They probably blocked their escape routes.

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<v Speaker 1>And the National Weather Service does not endorse storm chasing

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<v Speaker 1>because of the risk involved. However, they do welcome the

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<v Speaker 1>reports that storm chasers bring in. So it's kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's one of those things where they say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't we can't say go out and be a

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<v Speaker 1>storm chaser, but we will say that the data we

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<v Speaker 1>get is invaluable. Yes, we can't put a price tag

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<v Speaker 1>on that because it's it's helping us understand these systems

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<v Speaker 1>and that's really the best way we know of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And through sky Warn. In fact, they will conduct spot

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:37.560
<v Speaker 1>or training classes across the United States if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you are very interested in storm chasing, I would recommend

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<v Speaker 1>not probably going on one of the tours. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they're necessarily responsible, but um, you can't. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some may be very good at following safety rules and

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<v Speaker 1>some maybe a little more lax in that. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say. It's hard to say, but but Sky Warren

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<v Speaker 1>will will try. Yeah, you can do it. You can

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:06.240
<v Speaker 1>do this in the most responsible and safe way possible,

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>which is that's the best thing. I mean, this is

1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 1>your passion, and this is you want to contribute to

1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the scientific knowledge. I mean, I find that admirable. I

1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 1>personally also think it's crazy because I I've know well well,

1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:19.160
<v Speaker 1>like I said, Lauren, and I can talk a little

1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.360
<v Speaker 1>bit about our experience living through tornadoes. Uh, and I

1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 1>would never ever ever want to invite that experience on

1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.200
<v Speaker 1>me again if I can avoid it. What what? What?

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<v Speaker 1>What did happen? Okay, all right, well I can talk

1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:34.919
<v Speaker 1>about that. So. I grew up in northeast Georgia, near

1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a city called Gainesville, which actually has a history of

1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:42.120
<v Speaker 1>tornado problems. There was a tornado that moved through early

1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in the twentieth century and laid the city to waste.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it completely destroyed Gainesville. My grandfather worked in

1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a textile mill in New Holland, Georgia, which is just

1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:57.200
<v Speaker 1>outside of Gainesville. And uh, he tells or he told

1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the story he's passed on now, but he told a

1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.960
<v Speaker 1>story about how working in the mill he was, you know,

1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the tornado was bearing down the mill and he was

1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:08.960
<v Speaker 1>moving toward the staircase to get down to a safe level,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he was hitting the staircase, the roof of

1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the building ripped off because of this tornado, the force

1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:18.520
<v Speaker 1>of this wind. And uh, this was the same tornado

1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:22.240
<v Speaker 1>that essentially leveled the city. When I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>we had several tornadoes passed over the area of town

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in, which is called Oakwood, Georgia. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up there, and I can remember like there were there

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<v Speaker 1>were houses that were within just a very short walk,

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<v Speaker 1>like you just walked up a hill and you could

1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:41.800
<v Speaker 1>see them that were completely leveled by tornadoes on a

1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:45.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of occasions. And I mean I remember huddling with

1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:50.320
<v Speaker 1>my family at the base of our house, Um, not

1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.480
<v Speaker 1>even sure if our house was going to be hit

1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:57.760
<v Speaker 1>by these things. And uh, we had tornadoes passed directly

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<v Speaker 1>over us where you know, sometimes a tornado will touch

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<v Speaker 1>down and then lift up and touched down again. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's even an argument about whether or not that counts

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<v Speaker 1>as two separate tornadoes or the same one we've had

1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:13.000
<v Speaker 1>that happened where a tornado went directly over our house,

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<v Speaker 1>where it lifted up and then set back down a

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.919
<v Speaker 1>little bit further out. So um, you know, as a kid,

1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.960
<v Speaker 1>that was definitely like that was a life defining experience,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where I had trouble with storms for

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<v Speaker 1>a while after I was after that. These days storms

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<v Speaker 1>don't bother me so much. I can. I can handle

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<v Speaker 1>that just fine. But if it starts turning like ominous,

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<v Speaker 1>if I start noticing those little warning signs, I take cover,

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<v Speaker 1>because it is serious business. I mean, it is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying to live through. Sure, yeah, I am. My My

1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:48.040
<v Speaker 1>experience is a lot more spotty than that. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being maybe maybe about five years old, and my my

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<v Speaker 1>mother and U are extremely dedicated black Labrador retriever UM

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<v Speaker 1>hurting me down into the basement and U. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that mostly by the time we got there, like

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we heard about it and got down there,

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<v Speaker 1>the radio is already calling it off. So um. And

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the to the two types of warnings

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<v Speaker 1>that you may have heard of and had a tiny

1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:16.720
<v Speaker 1>bit of confusion about, because I don't feel like they're

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<v Speaker 1>very well publicized the differences between them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Tornado watch is issued by the n o A a

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<v Speaker 1>UH Storm Prediction Center meteorologists and and they are watching

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<v Speaker 1>the entire United States all the time. UM. Tornado warning, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is issued by a local n o A a UH

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<v Speaker 1>National Weather Service forecast office who is watching your designated

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<v Speaker 1>area all the time and UH the warning indicates that

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<v Speaker 1>there are spotters who have seen a touchdown and that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to get to safety. The the watch is

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<v Speaker 1>more that there are conditions that are favorable for a tornado.

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<v Speaker 1>Tornado could could form under such conditions. Yeah, I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen so many of both. UM. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the risks of living in the Southeast United States,

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<v Speaker 1>not again, not nearly as prone to tornadoes as other

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<v Speaker 1>parts in the nation, which can get them even more

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<v Speaker 1>regularly than we do. And I thought i'd close out.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that another storm chaser had said about

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<v Speaker 1>the situation with with Tim Samaras and his son Paul

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<v Speaker 1>and Carl Young. His name is Renny vander Wedge, and

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize if I have butchered that name, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had this to say, and I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's actually quite a bit that he has written

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<v Speaker 1>about the storm chasing in general. But I thought this,

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<v Speaker 1>this really bears attention in our podcast, So he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Many storm chasers do a lot of good. Some are

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<v Speaker 1>researchers trying to understand why some storms produced tornadoes and

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<v Speaker 1>others do not. Tim Samaras, for example, combined his background

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<v Speaker 1>and engineering and whether to invent devices for measuring conditions

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<v Speaker 1>inside a tornado. His research has been value able. Other

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<v Speaker 1>researchers use mobile radar units to measure precipitation and wind

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<v Speaker 1>inside a tornado from close range to gain a better

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of how tornadoes develop. Other chasers are simply out

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<v Speaker 1>there for the thrill of chasing, or to capture video

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<v Speaker 1>to sell to media outlets. But as tornado video has

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<v Speaker 1>become plentiful on YouTube and other websites, chasers have had

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<v Speaker 1>to get closer than ever to get the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>footage that will earn them a paycheck. They often find

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in the bears cage, which is chaser lingo for

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the storm where tornado forms. Some have

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<v Speaker 1>built vehicles to drive directly into a twister. This carries

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<v Speaker 1>enormous risk. Now, he teaches meteorology and bring students with

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<v Speaker 1>him on trips where they they observe these stormfronts and

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<v Speaker 1>the weather conditions, so that the meteorologists have direct experience

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<v Speaker 1>with this before they go on to whatever their careers are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was really interesting to have a

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<v Speaker 1>professional opinion added in there, because of course, like we

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<v Speaker 1>said at the very top of the show, this is

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<v Speaker 1>and we've repeated several times, this is serious, dangerous business. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not something for just a casual attempt. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely want experienced people around you. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in the field, that's amazing, but definitely seek out

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<v Speaker 1>training and make sure that you're following this as as

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<v Speaker 1>many safety procedures as you can because this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is deadly stuff. And that wraps up this classic episode

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