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Speaker 2: if you listened recently, we had a halfy hour about

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Speaker 2: that we did about Anne of green Gables and Anne

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Speaker 2: Of green Gables, And we did get a lot of

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Speaker 2: good listener mail after after this, So if you didn't,

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Speaker 1: After this one. Love it, give me more?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, please do. But in the meantime, please enjoy

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Speaker 2: this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm

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Speaker 2: welcome to Stephan never told you protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Andy, I have to ask you a question, and

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Speaker 3: And then they would have special viewings of things. Did

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Speaker 3: And she and by the way, Lucy Maud Montgomery, who

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Speaker 2: she'd been so focused on money or whatever. So it's

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00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: not like it was painted as this is so much better.

435
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: But it was interesting to see so many portrayals right

436
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: of women without men, or even if they had a

437
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: man wasn't really the focus or in the picture, like and.

438
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't just like it seemed kind of but you

439
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: could have gone there. They don't. But yeah, one of

440
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: the things that we talked about about, like, yeah, I

441
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: would see like her being her own hero, kind of

442
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: making her own pathway, being a forward feminist thinking. And

443
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: in this text they talk about they actually quote say

444
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: for a long time, it's so called girl stories like

445
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: this one. We're not recognized as literary texts and ignored

446
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: by most literary scholars, whereas children's literature in general was

447
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: a subject to scholarly studies. Girl stories were often overlooked

448
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: by critics, most of whom were male. And I think

449
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: that's really true because as much as we go back

450
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: and forth about the old tales, we talked about how

451
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: it gets some romanticized and then pushed to the side

452
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: as romance, so therefore is not literary. Of course, we

453
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: still call it classics. Today it would come a long way,

454
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 3: but at that point in time, it really wasn't. And

455
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: here's a children's story that talks about up and coming

456
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: child who focuses on herself for the first book, from

457
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: what I understand, but in this first movie not being

458
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: really seen as serious or a model for other girls,

459
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: which I find interesting because that's not true if we

460
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 3: look at the character of Anna green Gables. It spawned

461
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: a big fan hood, like we may not be to

462
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: the level that we see with Harry Potter or Twilight

463
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: today because we don't swim over characters and or maybe

464
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: that's not a magical world, but there was a diehard fandom.

465
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: I was a part of it, of Anna green Gables

466
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: and a love that we have for this and seeing

467
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: these women or seeing these characters as heroes.

468
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: One of the things that stood out to me, and

469
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: we've talked about this recently, is I kept waiting for

470
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: the other shoe to drop with like Anne was so

471
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: good at her study, she was so smart, so I

472
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: kept waiting for Diana to be like, I can't be

473
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: your friend anymore other than the cordial incident, but like

474
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: her personally. And you did have that one character what

475
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: was her name, Joseph. There was the one character that

476
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: was yes, but otherwise like, yeah, you got the teacher

477
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: who's a woman who's supportive of Anne and like, no,

478
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: you're so smart. We can make this happen. You've got

479
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: miss Barry and you've got Diana, and I liked that.

480
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: They were all like no, you're so we want to

481
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: see how far you can go, like we're going to

482
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: support you. And there was also the scene with Diana

483
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: where she was like, no, I like Gilbert too, and

484
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, here it comes, but it was

485
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: much more like no, it's okay, like if you're interested.

486
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you were interested. I liked it.

487
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: I appreciated it.

488
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a love there in a bond. But that's

489
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: the other part is like being honest and communicating together.

490
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: That's me.

491
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

492
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: Also, she saved someone's life. She saved many because she

493
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: been through so many childs and knew how to take

494
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: care of children. She was able to save this child's life.

495
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: And it's a gorgeous, gorgeous look at what she can

496
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: do as someone who has always had a find for

497
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: herself also had an issue. And I do want to

498
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: come back and saying, how did that kid cry like that? Like,

499
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: I don't think that because a good an actor like that.

500
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: Did they do something to make her cry like that?

501
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: I've always thought that. I know in the back of

502
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: my head, I'm like, I hope that kid's okay. But

503
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: then we move on to of course the obvious at

504
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: the very beginning is the orphaned person, because that's a

505
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: big thing when it comes to stories like this, feel

506
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 3: good stories, whatever whatnot. This one has a little more

507
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: heavy leaning and understanding that they were seen as property

508
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: and or brought into to be a servant in the

509
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: home or a caretaker in the home to lighten the load,

510
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: not necessarily to care for. And I don't think that

511
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: attitude was an uncommon in the early nineteen hundred is

512
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, that was a thing. Unfortunately, children were used

513
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: and abused and all that. Of course we don't get

514
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: into that too much, just just the implication of that.

515
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: So of course we are so excited to see her

516
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: grow out of that, but we do see that conversation happening,

517
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: especially during the Industrial Revolution when we talk about all

518
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: of that as well. But then for Anne specifically, as

519
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: you mentioned the redhead stigma of the early nineteen one.

520
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was everywhere.

521
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: And again because I have my friend Katie and because

522
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: she experienced this so much, every time, I was like,

523
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: oh there, oh yeah, there it is, Oh there it is,

524
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: and it kind of it did make me sad because

525
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: it was clear.

526
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: She did internalize it.

527
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

528
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just desperate for She tried to dye

529
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: her hair, yes, and it went horribly awright.

530
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: It was so cute when she cut it. I was like, oh.

531
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so she died it.

532
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: She tried to diet black, right, and then it went green.

533
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Yep, went green.

534
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: So she had to cut it and it was super

535
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: cute and she cut it.

536
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: But I know, like.

537
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: When you're I don't want to diminish anything at all,

538
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: because like when you're a kid, those kinds of things

539
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: are huge, Right, that's so big and so can hurt

540
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: so bad and so embarrassing, and even as an adult.

541
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: But I just know, I think as adults we tend

542
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: to dismiss that kind of stuff, but it is huge,

543
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: it is we shouldn't dismiss it. But yeah, for her

544
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: to have that kind of constant and that's what my

545
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: friend had said, like it's the first thing people say.

546
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: When they meet her all the time. It's like about

547
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: your hair.

548
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: And clearly for Anne it had been stigmatized. It was

549
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: something she didn't like about herself. It felt like it

550
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: made her ugly. And so when it was like constantly

551
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: brought up, you just got to see this very angry

552
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: side of Anne, but also the insecure side, the insecurity

553
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: of having it instantly brought up.

554
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, she has a temper, she does not hold back.

555
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: She already know this. She defends herself and I appreciate that.

556
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean she and she's got away

557
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: with words.

558
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

559
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: So as you said, like we get to see it's

560
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: kind of fun to get her to like really give

561
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: like Rachel Lynne for instance, like really counter downsize. Yes,

562
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: but then to see her kind of do her like

563
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: apology that she I won't say it's like fake, but

564
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: she's doing it as an act because she loves like

565
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: the dramatics of language and putting words together. Like to

566
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: see that kind of dichotomy and Rachel lynn being totally

567
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: like buying it is very fun.

568
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: It is uh. And then of course with the orphan

569
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: girl is the idea that she's wild and untameable, which

570
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: kind of is implied by Rachel Lynne at the very

571
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 3: beginning talking about she's just wild and oh my gosh,

572
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: it's so rude and I'm so uncivilized. We see that,

573
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: and that's kind of that thing is kind of what

574
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: we see. That's always a part of her which wants

575
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: to run free independence, That has always been her. As

576
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: much as she wants to belong, she also wants to

577
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: be free. Is that conversation, which we find out more

578
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: into the sequel. I'm just saying another part of this,

579
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I think you and I have

580
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: talked about how growing up we would make we make

581
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: believe specific eras for me, I loved nineteen hundreds. Early

582
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: in nineteen hundreds, for me, I would imagine what it

583
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: would be like to write by candlelight, which sounds horrible

584
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: because I can't see today, so I don't think that's great.

585
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: But as a kid like I had those long dresses

586
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: and sitting by the fire and not having electricity, what

587
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: that would be like? Which was this? So between this

588
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: and Little Women, I was really caught up. But I

589
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: love that this is a part of Anne's world where

590
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: she has so much imagination, which she talks about as

591
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: a strength and it is, and where everybody else tried

592
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: to take that away from her, telling her to get

593
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: her heads out of the clouds. It's unrealistic expectations, but

594
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: she lives in it and loves it, thrives in it,

595
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: and it's been something that has been able to carry

596
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: her on through all the bad parts, even when people

597
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: are mean. And she honestly talks about the fact that

598
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: when Rachel Lynn doesn't have any imagination, and she doesn't

599
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 3: can't understand why these bad things may happen or these

600
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: things that happened, but she does, and so she's there,

601
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: she's able to have compassion on people, you know, That's

602
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: what she kind of implies. We see her talking about

603
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: how rich people don't have much imaginations because they don't

604
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: have to dream it up because they have it in

605
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: the illusion, Like I love that theme so much and

606
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: growing up in my own trauma and I know you

607
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: know this, that's what we did. We had to have

608
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: imagination to survive the next day.

609
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really loved that too, because I love

610
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: how I feel like the imagination we see depicted in

611
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: children A lot in movies, we do see kind of

612
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: the like trauma, I'm imagining my way out, definitely, But

613
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times I liked how Anne had this

614
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: kind of like you don't even have the imagination to

615
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: imagine the bad part of this, because she was kind

616
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: of looking at both she was like, I can imagine

617
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: much better, I can imagine much worse, and you can't

618
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: imagine either.

619
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: You have no real yeah, which I really appreciated.

620
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: Right. And she created a friend, Kady Katherine with a

621
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: K because she needed someone, and she talks about wanting

622
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: to be in that world, wanting to be in the

623
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: mirror world, and how beautiful that would be. And this

624
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: is what she did to survive, especially six months of

625
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: being in an orphanage, which we never hear talk about again.

626
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: After beating Diana, which is gorgeous and beautiful I love it.

627
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: And of course another big part of this is family finding,

628
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: family finding belonging, with both Marilla and Matthew having two

629
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: sides of the same coin, one really tough but still loving,

630
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: one really kind hearted but quiet. Like just having that

631
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: in our life. It is such a gorgeous picture. I

632
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: just really like the fact that it's an unconvinced old

633
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: family who found balance.

634
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: I liked that too because of At first, and I

636
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: blame heteronormative material, I assumed that they were together, like

637
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: Matthew and Marilla, and then I found out, Oh, Marilla's

638
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: got this kind of tragic like love story in her

639
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: past and brother and sister. I like how Matthew was

640
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: pretty immediately like, no, I think Anne would be good

641
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: for us.

642
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: It seems to kind of know Marilla will arrive at

643
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: the same the same understanding.

644
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: But it was cool, it was it was Yeah, it

645
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: was just a really good like foil for each other

646
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: because Matthew was so quiet, but he was much more

647
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: like openly entertained, whereas Marilla was more outspoken but kind

648
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: of like hiding her affection and her entertainment.

649
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: And Anne, of course it is just like open everything.

650
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was connect.

651
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

652
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: It was a lovely thing to see and it was

653
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: very I liked seeing all of them interact with each

654
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: other and kind of grow with each other, and I

655
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: love the like eventual fondness, like with Matthew was always there,

656
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: but eventually it kind of became more, Oh, I'll get

657
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: her this dress even though I'm so embarrassed and I

658
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: don't know what to do, Yeah, because Anne really wants it.

659
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: And with Marilla it became much more like from how

660
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: do you get in all these troubles child?

661
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: To how do you get like a fond like how

662
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: do you do?

663
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Would stay adore fun facts? Now this is I cannot

664
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: remember where I found this or if I watched this

665
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: doing one of the behind the scene things, but apparently

666
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 3: the act was colleendu hers with someone vulgar and would

667
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: kind of like make jokes and like and laugh and

668
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: like all these things behind the scene and it because

669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: really loved her, which I believe. Megan Follows was sixteen,

670
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: so she was pretty young. She was playing eleven twelve

671
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: years old, so older, but not the significant that we've seen.

672
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: By the next sequel, she plays an eighteen nineen year old,

673
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 3: so she kind of fits into that. She even looks

674
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: older than though. I don't even know how, but she

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: fits that age range at that point in time. But apparently,

676
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: like that's what I had read. No, don't quote me

677
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: on that, but I'm pretty sure i'd read that she

678
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: was kind of one of those people because she was

679
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: a famous stage actress, and she was a famous actress

680
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: at that point already Colleen Dewhurst. And then for Farnsworth

681
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: who played Matthew, he was actually a stuntman and this

682
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: was one of his first acting gigs and eventually he

683
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: did a win Awards, but still best Matthew, Matthew. I'm

684
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: still hold to that. Oh so good. And then yes,

685
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: we couldn't not talk about the friendships, the friendship she

686
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: had been aching for because she had been so alone

687
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: and she just knew it existed and it was out

688
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: there and it was She builds so many good bonds.

689
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: But Diana, her bosom, kindred spirit. I love the relationship

690
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: so so much, and poor Diane, I felt like she

691
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: was like, what is happening? And who is this girl?

692
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

693
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: I love it too because it reminded me of when

694
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: I was nine years old.

695
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: I lived in a small town.

696
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Our houses at that time were pretty spread apart in

697
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: the area I lived in. My friend Katie, the Redhead

698
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: that I've been talking about, she when I was nine,

699
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: she moved into a house that was near me, and

700
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: I swear like I was like, what is her phone number?

701
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: I need to call her. We're going to hang out,

702
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: We're going to be best friends. Like so at this

703
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: scene where Anne was like, we're going to be best

704
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: friends and Diana's kind of like what.

705
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I did that.

706
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: I lived that, and we're still best friends.

707
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: And I love it.

708
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: And I think, like we get so many depictions of

709
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: poor friendships between women in media, but it's clear, like

710
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: this longing is real for that like your kindred spirit,

711
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: your tole me, who is a friend, of friendships between women.

712
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: And I loved it.

713
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, I kept waiting for the other shoe

714
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: to drop, and it really didn't. They were solid friendship,

715
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: they were bosom friends.

716
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: They're amazing. My favorite scene is the walking in the

717
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: forest actually falls off the roof scene. Yeah, the way

718
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: that she scares herself, it is so fantastic. I feel like,

719
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I'm sure you have many stories,

720
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: but I had a friend of mine. We would do

721
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: silly things like that that would cause us to get

722
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: into trouble or make some make belief thing and I

723
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: loved it and I missed those days a little bit,

724
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: not enough to actually call them, but you know stuff

725
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: like that that is like wow, imagination, the things that

726
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: bond you do.

727
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean me and my friend Katie.

728
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: We would go in the woods and we would literally

729
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: like take turns telling each other about the sand creature

730
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: under the leaves and it's coming. I can't hear you,

731
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: like it was so fun, it was such like glorious.

732
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: We spent a whole afternoon just doing that and there

733
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: was nothing there.

734
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: It was right, there was nothing. It was just your imagination,

735
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: which we love. But also I love her usage of

736
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: kindred spirit Like I love those terms so much. I

737
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: think that would be the vibe check now because if

738
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm passive check But I'm just kidding. But like the

739
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: kindred spirits, the idea that you can connect with a

740
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: person and though that you may not be able to

741
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: see it the way or you connect, they are the

742
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: one who is on the same level as you and

743
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: in spirit with you. And that's I just love that

744
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: so much.

745
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: I do too, and I again like I also love.

746
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: None of that was in the romantic context. All of

747
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: that was just the no we are yeah, we are

748
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: on the same level, we are connecting, and it was

749
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: all women from my memory.

750
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Matthew was a kindred spirit.

751
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Oh Matthew. M yeah, but they're nothing romantic.

752
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Definitely, like it's a connection and understanding that you get,

753
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: you get my ways. Yes, the level of the small town,

754
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: the conversations, you know, the first scene, like the third

755
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: fourth scene at the beginning, we see Rachel Lynn watching

756
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: Matthew in his suit traveling not on a Sunday with

757
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: a pipe. Oh my god, what's happening?

758
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And then that's kind of the kerfuffle at

759
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: the end with Gilbert and Anne is that he offered

760
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: her her ride, she accepted it. Then he offered her like, well,

761
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: i'll take you to this concert she was going to

762
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: perform at.

763
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: She accepted it, and then it was like the talk of.

764
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: The town and she was like, oh no, never mind,

765
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: I won't go with him, Diana, give him this note,

766
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm not going.

767
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's I.

768
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: Mean, I know it kind of like you know, bingo

769
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: card spinty Bingo card would be me and Samantha from

770
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: a small town. But it is true, like these things

771
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: are true and real and they in fl w your decisions.

772
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: I remember my mother saying, so I heard you were

773
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: driving a little too fast in town. We need to talk.

774
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: About what, yes, what it's like the tiniest like I

775
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: heard you got the milkshake at Windy's or whatever.

776
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: Right, you shouldn't be doing that. It's like who saw me?

777
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: How told on me? Who's not right?

778
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: But I do love that. And then we have the

779
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: independent woman old maid the slashes scored to how you

780
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 3: look at it, And we talked about it before, about

781
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: all those strong, really independent women who still has a

782
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: lingering of guilt. So we're gonna talk about the fact

783
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: that this is like the feminism probably of the nineteen hundreds,

784
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: like Montgomery did want to establish. Probably these characters. I

785
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: could be wrong in being alone, but they could not

786
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: be completely happy, because at that point in time, you

787
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: really a single woman should not be correct.

788
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Right right.

789
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: It was definitely as I said, the older missus, Miss

790
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: Barry said, like, you know, I got the money, but

791
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: sometimes that's not Sometimes I missed. I think I missed

792
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: out or that's not everything. And I felt like the

793
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: implication was maybe you should look at Gilbert an maybe

794
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, and that's a fine opinion to have. But

795
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: then there was also throughout kind of this understanding of

796
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: if you pursue your independence as.

797
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: A woman, you won't get the man.

798
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: So even like, there were plenty of independent women throughout,

799
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: which I loved, but the implication also was, like they're independent,

800
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: so they.

801
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Couldn't get the man.

802
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: And then also throughout there was this kind of like

803
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: with Anne, I'd rather be beautiful than smart, Like you

804
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: can't be both.

805
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: You have to be beautiful or smart.

806
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: So I feel like this is kind of the early

807
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: understanding of a woman can't have it all. She has

808
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: to either be kind of the homemaker beautiful to get

809
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: the man, or the independent, smart woman who will never

810
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: get the man. And this is all very heteronormative, and

811
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: I don't believe this, but this is right.

812
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: No, but this is the nineteen hundreds and when we

813
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: talk about and we will talk about Jane Austen, that

814
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: was that similar phase as well. But we know that

815
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: Jane Austen's history was a little dark in her own

816
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: life because of that very conversation about not necessarily that

817
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: you can't have it all, but more so that women

818
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: are not going to survive without a man, and if

819
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: you try to do it, you're going to fail. So

820
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: it's so therefore trying to be that way with the

821
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: most independence that you can have, which is what she

822
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: is trying to do. You see this in the same way.

823
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: Miss Stacy is a prime example of coming in her,

824
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: loving her life and looking up to her and seeing

825
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: her as a role model. And then Miss Stacy said,

826
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 3: I have my own troubles. We don't know what those

827
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: troubles are, but she's gone, and we know that it

828
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 3: pretty much ran her out of avon Lea for what reason,

829
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: we don't know, but she was one of the best

830
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: teachers from what we can tell that was there. I mean,

831
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: the dude before war was literally courting one of the

832
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: women one of the kids.

833
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: At those schools. Yes, and everybody.

834
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: That situation and although it was frowned upon eventually, but

835
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: it was like wow, okay, and he did not like Anne,

836
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: but he knew she was smart, like all of those things, Like,

837
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: we know that that's what happened. We know that there's

838
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: an implication here Marilla says, the same people talk about

839
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: her behind her back for losing love essentially, not as

840
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: much just on Matthew even though he is alone, but

841
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: you know whatever. On top of that, I do love

842
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 3: the scene where Miss Stacey comes and talks to them

843
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: about the dead Mouse scene, about her doing the extra classes,

844
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: and Marilla says, I've always thought that a young woman

845
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: should have should be prepared to make their own living,

846
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: just in case at these uncertain times, which I'm like,

847
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: that's nineteen hundreds. Go ahead, Marilla, you are really progressed.

848
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right. That was a conversation too.

849
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: Throughout of like there was a lot of that small

850
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: town like talking behind people's backs, and for Marilla to

851
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: be alone and to have like quote lost this love

852
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 2: clearly people were kind of talking about it and sort

853
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: of raising their eyebrow and come back, okay not I.

854
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Mean like I'm becoming.

855
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: You are now, can't. I can't stop it? And you know, also,

856
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: I love if they actually do focus on Ann's academics

857
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: on all that, like they do push her to become

858
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: more and they are celebrating her for being so smart.

859
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: There's no conversation about you're not going to get man,

860
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: if you're too smart, well kind of of course, Rachel

861
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: has one word to say, but then Marilla cuts her

862
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: off very quickly. But outside of that, people celebrate this.

863
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: They people are pushing her to be this. This is

864
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: competition is fierce, and people are celebrating, including Gilbert, including.

865
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Gilbert, including Gilbert.

866
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: And I mean again, when I was like, oh, this

867
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: is from early nineteen hundreds, oh wow, because at that time,

868
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm that was pretty uncommon right to see her to

869
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: hear and there was certainly like a layer of like

870
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: it was very minimal, actually, but there was a layer

871
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: of like, wow, look at what she can do, is

872
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: like an orphan and a woman. But mostly it was

873
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, you get it.

874
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about how she's doing avonlea proud

875
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: and she is go ahead. But I love that. I

876
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: think that's like, it is so progressive for a time being. Again,

877
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: if this is different in the books, please let us know,

878
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: because I do want to know. I don't think it's

879
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: too far for it far string for this one. But

880
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: I love that whole avenue that she loves studying, she

881
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: loves being on top, and she's going to be on

882
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: top hell yeah, which leads into like, this is the

883
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: feminism in nineteen hundreds, right, So the conversation in this

884
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: paper that I am talking about talks about the fact

885
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: that yes, she celebrates her being independent and a little

886
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: bit wild and doing her own thing and being imaginative,

887
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: but eventually still comes to as she grows accustomed to

888
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: society and cultural norms, she does settle into I just

889
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be a teacher, staying at home

890
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: and settling down, and spoiler alert, in the books marries

891
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Gilbert and has children, and that's her story. That does

892
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: not end of the story, but she does end up

893
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: these ways which she was so fearful of of, partially

894
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: in other ways. So it's really interesting to see. But

895
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: it's kind of how we'll talk about and how I

896
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: see it with Jane Austen. For what it was is revolutionary,

897
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: but for today Sanders is not so great in itself.

898
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: But they also talk about the idea of eco feminism

899
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: in Anne green Gables, giving the connection to nature and

900
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: becoming a proper lady. So the idea is you let

901
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: go of the natural, wild person, the untainted from civilized

902
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: society quote unquote, to become a part of the norm

903
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: to be a proper lady. And so they kind of

904
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: have this whole breakdown. It's a Swedish paper by the way,

905
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: about it, and they break down the orphan anity the

906
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: young Annie to adult Annie and how it has changed her.

907
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: The idea that's combining feminist aspects and ecocritical aspects that

908
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: in order to argue that Anne's wilderness a quote. Anne's

909
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: wildness and her fearless freedom for societies pressing judgments are

910
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: highly connected to her own connection to nature. So it

911
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 3: has this whole level of her and like when you

912
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: you see her come into Avon Lee, she's like, oh

913
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: my God, Like she is actually awestruck for a second

914
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: about the beauties of it. And when we talk about

915
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 3: her going into the city life quote unquote, she talks

916
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: about how she misses and longs for the sounds and

917
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: the quietness of Avon Lee. But the fact, like comparing

918
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: her when she was not a part of society and

919
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: when she was not a proper lady and she was

920
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: just a wild orphan versus what happens to her when

921
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: she does become that does her feminism change a little bit?

922
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: Has that taken that away from her? And this big

923
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: part of who she is in society. Has she tamed

924
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: herself and kind of stepped away from her feminism to

925
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: become a part of the patriarch, which is the dicidal

926
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: norm of that time and of today even And I

927
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: found that very interesting in this conversation because again when

928
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: we talk about the academics of uh and and her

929
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: her pursuits, and again you'll see and the sequel. Of

930
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: course this is talking about the books, but in the

931
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: sequel of the movie, Yeah, it kind of explores that

932
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: longing to be independent and to travel and to be adventurous.

933
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: But then coming back to eh, eh, but what am

934
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: I missing?

935
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is the question Smith.

936
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: I think that is a question that is huge for

937
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: a lot of.

938
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Women that we've talked about before, because like, there are

939
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: just certain structural, systemic things that are hard to escape.

940
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: And I think that it's you know, if you want to,

941
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: you find somebody, you love them in this headin order

942
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: of sense of man and a woman, you love them,

943
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 2: you get married. We can't deny that there are still

944
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: structural things in favor of the man and the relationship

945
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: and the woman.

946
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to escape. I guess that

947
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

948
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: And so when you talk about like the city life,

949
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: it almost feels like you're talking about, oh, how do

950
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: I fit into these structures that we have in place?

951
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: And for this in particular, there's sort of this dichotomy

952
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: of her, like you know, at Green Gables in the wild,

953
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: being very like independent, and then her going in to

954
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: the city, which she also likes, and she says and

955
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: she wants to experience those things, but it requires a

956
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: certain level of conformity to not be like shunned from society, right.

957
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, absolutely, I think that's kind of her

958
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: whole thing is to fit in. But if she's going

959
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: to be seen, she wants to be seen in the

960
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: best light, and what does that look like in this

961
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: type of society. I didn't want to go into one

962
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: thing that this paper says. It says other thing that

963
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: appears in the novel is the wish to fit in,

964
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: to be normal. Regarding this, one can also see strong

965
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 3: connection between women and nature and was forced to cave

966
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: to society both regarding the feminists and the ecocritical aspects

967
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: of her life and adapt accordingly. Again, this is about

968
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: the novel but I think it's Sun in the movie

969
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 3: and just kind of that theme in general about like

970
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: I am my own person and don't take my spirit

971
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: from me. But at the same time, yes, I do

972
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: have to acclimate and or stand out and the best

973
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: way possible.

974
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, because I think she it was a

975
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: very fine line she was walking, because the reason she

976
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: got a lot of the attention she did was because

977
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: she didn't fit in and so especially like I'm thinking

978
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: of the older miss Barry who's like, oh, you make

979
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: me laugh, oh, and I really like you. You speak

980
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: your mind, and a lot of people in this city

981
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: life don't. But then at the same time, it was

982
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: her having to figure out, you know, you can't do

983
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: these things without having to do this kind of drawn

984
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: out apology, even if the other person was in the

985
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: wrong or a bunch of things she had to learn

986
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 2: and had to adapt to. That does feel a bit

987
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: of like attaining And I'm not saying that sometimes you

988
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: get angry even if it's somebody in the wrong, you

989
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: gotta apologize, But a lot of it felt kind of

990
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: like she was having to learn to kind of close

991
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: this part off and sit in. Right.

992
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: Yes, there's so much like, there's so much more I

993
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: probably could go into, and if we really wanted, I

994
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 3: could just expand upon many ideals of her, like even

995
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: with a dress, trying to be pretty and being the

996
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: best of everything, trying to impress Marilla but also show appreciation.

997
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: There's so many to this. Yes, and I don't believe.

998
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Maybe I'm going to have people maybe at me.

999
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: Maybe the younger generation Megan follows is an to me

1000
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: and will always be, and Jonathan Cromb will always be Gilbert.

1001
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: It's kind of I have this similar opinion about uh

1002
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 3: since Invisibility, about Colin Colin Firth being the only Darcy.

1003
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: I will fight you. I will fight you.

1004
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to start like a bracket.

1005
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: I love this because my friend Marissa, who I said

1006
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: she loves and Gables, she said the very same thing. Yeah,

1007
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: she said the very same thing. So I'm all about it.

1008
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm all about it. I want to come back and

1009
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: do I think we should do the next one.

1010
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: I think I'm aady Okay, me too, me too. Well

1011
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: look out for that listeners and send your opinions.

1012
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: Plus, what are you ready to fight me? Come on't

1013
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: fight me?

1014
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: Because I remember you were like, this is my version

1015
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: of Star Wars.

1016
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so happy, I'm so excited. I

1017
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: want to see it. I want to see it.

1018
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: Well, you can send those opinions to our email, which

1019
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1021
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Speaker 2: to our super producer, Christina. Thank you, Christina, Yes, and

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