WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Exploitation Films Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, This is Chuck and welcome to this week's

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<v Speaker 1>edition of the Stuff You Should Know Saturday Curated selects.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, I decided to go with How Exploitation Films

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<v Speaker 1>Work from April fourteenth, twenty eleven. And this one was

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<v Speaker 1>an easy pick because I like all of our movie

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<v Speaker 1>episodes and I think Josh might have put this one

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<v Speaker 1>together way back in the day when we recorded it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just a really cool one. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>do we get to talk a lot about just some

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<v Speaker 1>of the great exploitation films, but just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about the history and how they came about. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just remember really enjoying recording this one and got great

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<v Speaker 1>feedback on it. So give it a shot, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you've already listened to it, give it another shot. That

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<v Speaker 1>is what I suggest enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you Should

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<v Speaker 1>Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's

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<v Speaker 2>Charles W. Chuck Bryant. This is Stuff you Should Know,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast and kind of a special edition. Frankly, I

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<v Speaker 2>am a little excited, Chuck, I'm a little giddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, okay, sure, all right, this is our first

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<v Speaker 2>ever movie centric podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, movie centric for sure. Yeah, we've mentioned movies of

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<v Speaker 1>course all the time, but this one is like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is all about movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is by popular request to an extent. People

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<v Speaker 2>want to see like, uh, they want to hear us

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<v Speaker 2>talk about movies and just do a movie podcast. So

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<v Speaker 2>we decided to focus on exploitation films.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also probably the first podcast that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, if you are a teacher of children in

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<v Speaker 2>eighth grade or younger, and you're using this as a

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<v Speaker 2>teaching tool, you might want to go to the one

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<v Speaker 2>before this or the one after. Yeah, we don't generally

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<v Speaker 2>try to alienate. Add it says, we're not attempting to now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a natural byproduct of the exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't talk about exploitation films without talking about some lurid

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't say exploitation without ploit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they weren't exploiting, just people being nice, right, nice ploitation.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chuck, I went and saw a movie the other

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<v Speaker 2>day called I Saw the Devil. It's a Korean movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's by the guy who did the Tale of Two Sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Oh, he said more violent than Old Boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Old Boy is one of the main characters.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen Old Boy. I've seen what's the other

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<v Speaker 2>one he did, the vampire movie, Yeah, Thirst, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty good. It was okay, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most graphically violent movie I've ever seen in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. The only the only reason, like I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to complete is because I'm like, this is it's

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, but I walked out of it like it's

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<v Speaker 2>so over the top, it's so gory. It's clearly an

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<v Speaker 2>exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But the problem is is, like, really, if you

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<v Speaker 2>start to look around, John Hughes, films technically are exploitation films.

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<v Speaker 2>The Breakfast Club is technically an exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a big wave of teen exploitation films, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that, but yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the broader definitions of exploitation films is

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<v Speaker 2>basically anything that's really like over the top, that is

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<v Speaker 2>beyond reality, or that maybe focuses on people's fears, their

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<v Speaker 2>sexuality and basically just kind of serves it up in

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<v Speaker 2>a larger than life manner. That's one way of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at exploitation films.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're basically they're exploiting some of the seedier aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of humanity most times.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, like murder or sex, like weird sex, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, sex, weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex, teenage rebelling against parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, like weird science. Have you ever been to a

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<v Speaker 2>party where a couch shot out of the chimney and

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<v Speaker 2>into the pond? I mean it's a pretty nice party.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's ever really happened, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the vast definition of exploitation. But you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of qualified to teach a cinema class at

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe a low level community college at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>after the amount of research we've done in this sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and we found that academically there's a there's a much

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<v Speaker 2>more distinct definition for exploitation, and it's seemingly interchangeable term grindhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, what's the Is there a definition definition?

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like a timeframe. Okay, so from like nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen when they really first started making movies to I

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<v Speaker 2>think nineteen sixty nineteen fifty nine, when the Hayes Act

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<v Speaker 2>went away, that was exploitation and then after that it

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<v Speaker 2>became Grindhouse. Gotcha, it's my understanding. Okay, so let's do

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<v Speaker 2>this all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, that's the old joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>In the awesome documentary American Grindhouse, which documents this era

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<v Speaker 1>of filmmaking. Yeah, the old joke, one of the guys says,

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<v Speaker 1>is that exploitation films began five minutes after the camera

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<v Speaker 1>was invented, the motion picture camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the guy was like the directors like to his girlfriend, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>would you mind taking your clothes off.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the camera exactly? So it says something about the

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<v Speaker 1>human condition that you invent the film camera, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first moving images were often Lurid Edison's film that showed

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<v Speaker 1>clips of like decapitations and violence and guys fighting, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and nit naked women as film tests. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>that says a lot about people like, all right, now

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<v Speaker 1>we know how to capture things, so let's capture sex

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<v Speaker 1>and violence right first.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And although that really kind of jibed with public tastes,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least public fascination, it didn't jibe with the

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<v Speaker 2>prevailing standards. They agreed upon standards, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I think he said nineteen nineteen. But the first

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation film was nineteen thirteen, Oh, okay, Trafficking Souls or

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<v Speaker 1>While New York Sleeps, right, and that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation often plays into fears. That played into the fear

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the white slave trade. Budget of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven grand and gross four hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which nineteen thirteen is a lot of dough.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a ton of though, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Universal Pictures and they went, hey, going on

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<v Speaker 1>to something here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after that was released the Hayes Code. Will Hayes

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<v Speaker 2>was the Postmaster General and the Presbyterian elder and he

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<v Speaker 2>was making one hundred grand a year during the depression.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He basically said, like, look, we need we need to

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<v Speaker 2>apply some moral standards to filmmaking. There's decapitation, there's naked breast,

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<v Speaker 2>there's white white slavery, Like we need to we need

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<v Speaker 2>to fure this right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually there wasn't nudity yet like those early test films.

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<v Speaker 1>There were, but nudity we'll get to that later, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, that's what Hayes tried to do. And like

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<v Speaker 1>prohibition didn't exactly quell drinking, the Hayes code actually sort

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<v Speaker 1>of gave rise to the exploitation movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like just like prohibition, just like marijuana prohibition,

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<v Speaker 2>just like well any drug prohibition. Anytime you say you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do this, you can't have something that you want,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else is going to operate in a black market.

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<v Speaker 2>A black market's going to spring up, simple economics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's exactly what happened, and that's where exploitation cinema

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<v Speaker 2>came up. It's like, you can't get this from Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>because Hollywood has to play by the rules. But my

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<v Speaker 2>production studio is my model t and let's go make

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. Give me some money. I'm going to film

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<v Speaker 2>a child being born close up and put it in

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<v Speaker 2>the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you can do that. You can make your

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<v Speaker 1>movies all day long. But if they're never exhibited, than

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<v Speaker 1>what good are you doing or not? Like they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do some good, but you're not making any scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>So the forty thieves they talk about in the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>were these filmmakers and exhibitors basically that traveled around like carnies,

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<v Speaker 1>setting up these sort of gorilla film screenings and some

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<v Speaker 1>places sort of out of the way where they can't

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<v Speaker 1>get caught. And that was for the first time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were taking films outside of the mainstream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Different. Sometimes they weren't even theaters. They would show them

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<v Speaker 1>like VFW halls if you want to go see Birth

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<v Speaker 1>of a Baby films. Apparently they were popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a whole genre, early genre of exploitation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and so was early on a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>film centered around like how to wear a condom and

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<v Speaker 1>the sex hygiene films.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there was no information about that out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and so exploitation filmmakers, whether disingenuously or genuinely, were presenting

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<v Speaker 2>their stuff like this is a public service. People need

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<v Speaker 2>to know this, right and making movies about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>also and people were going on that excuse as well,

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<v Speaker 2>like well, I need to know about this, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's like I want to see this

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<v Speaker 2>the craziest thing I'll ever see in my life exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they argued a lot of times that they were

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<v Speaker 1>cautionary tales. If they were about drugs or violence, they

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<v Speaker 1>would say, hey, this could happen to you, so you

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<v Speaker 1>should educate yourself. But what they really want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is get the.

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<v Speaker 2>Movie scene and make some money exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Paramount Decision of nineteen forty eight. This is pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>This Supreme Court voted that movie studios could no longer

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<v Speaker 1>own their own movie theaters. At the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be like the Paramount Theater in Hollywood from

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<v Speaker 1>the Paramount film production company. It would show their movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court said no more, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation films became a little bit more legit because the

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<v Speaker 1>Hayes Code kind of fell apart. Yeah, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>post World War two, so people.

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<v Speaker 2>Had seen a lot of death recently out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of death, and then a little more they thought ladies

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<v Speaker 1>in suggestive roles were good for morale, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of loosening on the sex thing a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit post World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>And that led to another subgenre of exploitation film, the

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<v Speaker 2>newdest colony films, which were pawned off as documentaries. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot well most of these were pawned off as document documentaries,

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<v Speaker 2>which legitimized them, but really it was maybe maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>actually was film that a news camp. Probably not. Mostly

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<v Speaker 2>there were actors and actresses just engaged in archery naked

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<v Speaker 2>or long walks naked.

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<v Speaker 1>There could be no sex. Still that was still no taboo.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was just like naked pretty people right at

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<v Speaker 2>a newdist colony, which is interesting because you're not a nudist,

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<v Speaker 2>so come learn about them exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after that, through the history, we had things like

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<v Speaker 1>the teen like you said, the teen Rebellion of the

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<v Speaker 1>fifties with that rebel thought, a car in Blackboard Jungle,

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<v Speaker 1>and movies like that. All of a sudden, we're targeted

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<v Speaker 1>specifically at teens, which was new. And then drive in

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<v Speaker 1>theaters were built so teenagers could see movies where their

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<v Speaker 1>parents weren't going to be. Apparently the adults didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>to drive ins a lot at first.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's all kids. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>So they showed exploitation films, and then later the beach films,

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<v Speaker 1>which were marketed as it's silly, it's Frankie avalon, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were decidedly weird and overtly sexual sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then chuck, if you'll notice, we're kind of progressing

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<v Speaker 2>along in this chronological order, and each thing is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of being built on the last.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very much a step process.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And apparently that was kind of the form that

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<v Speaker 2>exploitation filmmaking followed. Until nineteen sixty it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was centered around drugs, violence, sex, and in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ways they were presented as documentaries. They might not

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<v Speaker 2>have a plot. Basically, it was one person would make

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<v Speaker 2>some film and it would just break all the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>and then then a bunch of other people would make

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<v Speaker 2>similar films, and that was the way it went. And

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<v Speaker 2>then in the nineteen sixties things just started to go

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<v Speaker 2>every which way, all sorts of directions. Right, So nudity

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<v Speaker 2>nudy films were a long standing thread of exploitation films

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<v Speaker 2>and then they probably reached their pinnacle with Russ Myers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>King of the Nudies is what he's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was the first guy to He's significant because

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<v Speaker 1>he was the first director to have films featuring nudity

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<v Speaker 1>that actually were dramatic narratives and had plots and characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they weren't classified as documentaries anymore. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>Roughies came along and they offered up violence for the

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<v Speaker 1>not first time, but big time for the first time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that has a lot to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the sixties and Kennedy was shot and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was just becoming increasingly violent.

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<v Speaker 2>America lost its innocence. Yeah, and the other thing that

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<v Speaker 2>really happened in the nineteen sixties was the Hayes Coote

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<v Speaker 2>officially won away, was replaced by the MPAA and the

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<v Speaker 2>the I guess the long standing prohibition on Hollywood producing

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<v Speaker 2>exploitation films was it was lessened, decreased, and so studios

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<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, we can make money over here too, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start making exploitation films right, And this is where

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<v Speaker 2>grindhouse was born. So my cinema professor definition of grindhouse

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<v Speaker 2>is big budget, studio backed exploitation films. Okay, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's mine.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a quiz question later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll go with that. Actually, back up one second.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to mention Herschel Gordon Lewis. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>director who had a co director. I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>other guy's named you. Anyway, he was a co director

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<v Speaker 1>and he was one of these exploitation guys that was

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<v Speaker 1>getting frustrated because there weren't a lot of places to

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<v Speaker 1>show your movie. So it was a pretty crowded marketplace.

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<v Speaker 1>So he said, what's the one taboo that like people

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<v Speaker 1>will pay to see that you're allowed to show in theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>but that studios won't make. And it was Gore.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first guy to start showing really disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>bloody scenes in his movie, uh, blood Feast, Blood Feast, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually was three years after Psycho, and Psycho also

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot for the mainstream ushering in of sure,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Gore in that, but there was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot of blood following Janet Lee's murder, you know, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I imagine it's pretty graphic for Hollywood, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you think of your like, oh, those stupid sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's you know, they were so naive, like that

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<v Speaker 2>was controversial, not really though, Like if you stepped just

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<v Speaker 2>slightly outside of Hollywood, you ran into things like Blood Feast, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know Last House on the Left, Yes, well

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<v Speaker 2>that's nineteen seventy two, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Wes Craven. So that was important because all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, a drugs started, well three things. Political themes

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<v Speaker 1>started popping up, right, sexual freedom, the youth generation. Drugs

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<v Speaker 1>started popping up in movies for the first time drug use.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not for the first time. We'll talk about reefer madness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but teenagers were depicted as victims of violence for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time. Like Last House on the Left, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of regarded as the first teen slasher film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Wes Craven, it was almost a snuff film. It

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<v Speaker 2>was almost regarded like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty hardcore, but yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely blood Feasts definitely allowed Last House on the Left

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<v Speaker 2>to come around, but it also probably more directly formed

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation for slasher exploitation, like Friday the thirteenth, Third

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<v Speaker 2>Nightmare on Elm Street. Absolutely, My Bloody Valentine's another big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, The Crazy Oh yeah, that was in a digital right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a remake now, I think, yeah, yeah, remakes. So

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<v Speaker 1>that brings us We're in the seventies, politically charged movies

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<v Speaker 1>brought race to the mix, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>we had black exploitation or black exploitation movement starting exploiting

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<v Speaker 1>the civil rights movement basically. But the cool thing about

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<v Speaker 1>black exploitation films is for the first time you had

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<v Speaker 1>African Americans as heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and not heroes in a typical sense, not even

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<v Speaker 2>anti heroes, but heroes that were like, they didn't ride

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<v Speaker 2>into town on on a white horse or wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>white hat, right, They very clearly wore black hats if

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<v Speaker 2>need be, Like they would engage in crime, they would

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<v Speaker 2>murder people if nippy they were. They were basically like

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<v Speaker 2>the face of black America coming out of the Civil

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<v Speaker 2>Rights are like, we're ticked off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and we're gonna stick it to the

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<v Speaker 1>white man, stick it to the man, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it in these movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck, I know the movie you're about to to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's this is it?

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<v Speaker 1>You keep the fath of me.

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<v Speaker 3>You my man, You're my favorite man, can you.

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? That was a landmark film for a lot of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>One because it grows four million bucks and it made

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<v Speaker 1>the major studio say, hey, you know what the black

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<v Speaker 1>hero is marketable?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you haven't said the title yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you gotta say it right too.

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin Van Peebles film Sweet Sweetbacks, Badass.

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<v Speaker 2>Song, Nice That was well done. That was nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 2>Melvin Van Peebles, whose last name may sound familiar. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the father of Mario Van Peebles for you younger cats

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>One cats our age actually younger cats, because he's kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, so cats are Yeah, that's Mario van Peebles's dad,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, New Jack City.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Melvin Van Peebles made this movie. He produced it,

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<v Speaker 2>he raised the money for it, he wrote it, he

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<v Speaker 2>directed it, he starred in it. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the blaxploitation subgenre, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most important genres of any American.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinema absolutely ever, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And so considering how important that subgenre is, this quote

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<v Speaker 2>from Time Magazine's film critic Richard Corliss should really hit home.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet Sweet Back is quote, without question or competition, the

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<v Speaker 2>most influential movie by a black filmmaker. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a really big deal, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just quickly on the plot. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about a black man who was a jiggielow who.

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<v Speaker 2>Had which is a male prostitute for you, young.

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<v Speaker 1>Cat, and he had a deal worked out with the

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<v Speaker 1>cops where he said, you know, you can arrest me

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<v Speaker 1>as much as you want, release me right afterward, fill

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<v Speaker 1>your quota. It's all good. And then one day, while

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest is going down, the cops attack a black panther,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sweet Sweet Back kills one of the cops and

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<v Speaker 1>then just says he just goes on a rampage against

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<v Speaker 1>the white man after that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got prostitution, tons and tons of nudity and sex,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of violence, and other crimes all wrapped up into

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<v Speaker 2>a black power theme.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then to top it all off, you have what

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<v Speaker 2>is arguably a child sex scene starring Mario Van Peebles

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<v Speaker 2>Melvivan People's son at I think age six, He's a

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<v Speaker 2>kid having sex as Sweet Sweet Pack. It's his first

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<v Speaker 2>sexual encounter with an older person. And in the cult podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>if he became a cult leader, he would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>any younger bride, remember I am. It's right. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in that movie and you can't get enough

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<v Speaker 2>of Sweet Sweetbacks bad Ass Song, you could also check

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<v Speaker 2>out Bad Ass exclamation Point, which is Mario Van Peebles's

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<v Speaker 2>biopic about his father making that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And I have not seen that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to at the time, and it just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>supped tough the cracks.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always Netflix, Baby, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened with Sweet Sweetback was that, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that told the studios, hey, that we can market this,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they got a little more mainstream with movies

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<v Speaker 1>like Superfly, which were a little safer Shaft Shaft movies

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<v Speaker 1>at wide audiences would enjoy as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the ones that didn't scare the man exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>Shaft's a good guy. He doesn't take any guff from them.

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<v Speaker 2>But the people he's not taking gup from or the cops,

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<v Speaker 2>who's really on the same side as That's right. So

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<v Speaker 2>chuck exploitation obviously huge. It affected everything from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Menace to society to Blackula. All of that came from

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet Sweet Back. And we mentioned the guy who directed

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<v Speaker 2>this next movie, Russ Myers. This is probably a seminal work.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's listen to this clip from the trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>You ladies and gentlemen gold go for a wild wild

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<v Speaker 3>ride with the Watusi cuts, but beware the sweetest kittens

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<v Speaker 3>have the sharpest claw or your own safety. See faster

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<v Speaker 3>pussy cuts, kill kill wild weather, wild wheels. Race the

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<v Speaker 3>fastest pussy cuts and they'll be jill so far woman sulpit.

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<v Speaker 6>Placing your stuff on this kid then hanging. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>nothing by nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>He's got nothing to do with the Moneys, the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack and Jill.

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<v Speaker 3>They make a mafia look like brownie They.

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<v Speaker 1>Make the mafia look like Browniees.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. That says quite a bit about them. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was faster pussy Cat Kill Kill. In nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five russ Meyer's basically women exploitation film nudy film. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>russ Meyers was King of the nudies. He made twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six movies, but this is probably at the very least

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<v Speaker 2>is his best known, if not like his masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he hatched a slew of I mean not

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't legit. He was, but what mainstream people

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<v Speaker 1>would call legit filmmakers were came up through the russ

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer film camp basically. Yeah, So it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and russ Meyer also a little known fact. Another

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<v Speaker 2>movie that's mentioned in this article. There's an article on

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<v Speaker 2>the site, by the way, called ten noteworthy exploitation Films

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<v Speaker 2>that this is based on, Yeah, written by you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which I showingly recommend going to read because it has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of extra stuff we're not going to cover

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<v Speaker 2>in this one. Yeah, or at least extra movies. But

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<v Speaker 2>russ Meyer directed a movie called Beyond the Valley of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolls two, right, which was the bastard son of

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<v Speaker 2>the legitimate film that Beyond Valley of Dolls is a

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<v Speaker 2>jiggle fest written by none other than Roger Ebert's right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie Roger Ebert ever wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had a Yeah, it was a very brief career.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's it. That's an illustrious one. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you're going to talk about the plot,

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<v Speaker 1>a faster pussy cat kill kill And I say that

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<v Speaker 1>because there's three exclamation points and a comma.

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<v Speaker 2>Exclamation point kill it three exclamation points.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, I thought it was a comment then too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, either way, that's a lot of punctuation for

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<v Speaker 1>a film title, right, And it was about three bisexual

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<v Speaker 1>go go dancers. They go on a crime spree out

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<v Speaker 1>in the desert and what do they do. They end

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<v Speaker 1>up killing a man or no, they kill the man

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple keep girl.

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<v Speaker 2>They basically empower her, yeah, come on with by murdering

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend and she ends up on the crimes free

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<v Speaker 2>with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And they basically end up going to an isolated house

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<v Speaker 1>with a wheelchair bound old man and his sons.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a leech. They're all leeches.

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<v Speaker 1>They want these women, Yeah, but they don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>these women are tough, tough ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>And the men and his son, the man and his

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<v Speaker 2>sons apparently are allegedly have a large amount of cash

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<v Speaker 2>stashed in this house. So it's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>standoff of gall see who will come out on top?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know who comes out on top. And

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<v Speaker 1>this film was noteworthy for one big reason was that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of duelism towards gender. So on one hand,

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>he's exploiting these women and apparently got women in their

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<v Speaker 1>first trimester of pregnancy, so they were more voluptuous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not in this film, but in his other films

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<v Speaker 2>he would hire I can't remember the lady's name, but

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<v Speaker 2>the star of Festor pussy Cat Kill Kill is in

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<v Speaker 2>other Russ Meyers films, gotcha, and he made sure that

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<v Speaker 2>she was like well in to her third first trimester

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<v Speaker 2>to enhance her natural bustiness.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, yeah, her bosom if you will. But the script,

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was dualism because while he did that,

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>it also empowered women because the women in his films

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>bowed to no man. No, they were the champs. They

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>were they were heroines really for the first time.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But they were objectified very clearly. But at the same time,

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if you follow the script and really look at their characters,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, they're powerful women.

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 1>And this kind of kicked off a big slew of

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 1>women exploitation films, exploitation films, the women in Prison movies.

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which we Lead's sisters very big.

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>At the time. Women were lead actors for the first time,

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>they were aggressors for the first time, still nude often

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>while they were doing this stuff.

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Spawn the television show The Facts of Life.

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>But the interesting thing is they found that these movies

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>appealed to men and women because men would go see

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>it for obvious reasons. Yeah, women would go see it

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>because it was empowering and they didn't mind, you know,

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at the naked ladies because women are much more

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>grown up, sure than men are. But Josh, the seventies

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.239
<v Speaker 1>also got a little schlocky, which in a sense was

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>true to the exploitation model. They like, they really went

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<v Speaker 1>over the top. No more political statements, no more advancing

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of women's gender or African merin Americans. It just got

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>really shlocky and outrageous at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what happened starting in the sixth really took hold

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, and then from that point on was

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>exploitation cinema, early on showing a live birth, nudest camps,

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>these are all geared toward adults in the sixties, and

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>then later on big time in the seventies, the audience

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>became almost exclusively teenagers, like those driving teenagers or well

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>teenagers anywhere, who cares, but the audience was teenagers, and

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>the cast started to become teenage, so it had a

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 2>little more of a bent on what teenagers we're having

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to deal with, like bullying, like the kid in this

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>next clip right, which is I have to say, one

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite movies from way way back.

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Here we go with Toxic Avenger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, meet little Melvin.

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 6>He's a ninety pound weekly. Everyone hated Melbourne.

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm going to take this mop and shove it

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 3>down your throat.

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>They teased him.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I want to do it with you, PoCA. They taunted him.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 6>They tormented him until he had a horrifying accident and

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 6>fell into a vat of nuclear waste, transforming Little Melbourne

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 6>into a hideously deformed creature of superhuman size and strength.

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 5>Movement became the Toxic Avenger.

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<v Speaker 1>So Josh. The Toxic Avenger movie was unique in that

0:27:55.080 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>its film production company, Trauma mm HM, is very popular

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>in their own right.

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen surf Nazis Must Die?

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I know about Trump. I mean, they

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>are master self promoters and marketiers.

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>They were one of the first production companies to have

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>a website, like a really comprehensive website. You should go

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>on their website, their whole catalog. It's really just well done.

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>It's schlocky, but it's well done, right.

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>And Toxic Avenger follows the story of a ninety eight

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>pound weekling who was picked on released the same year's Ghostbusters.

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you notice that nineteen eighty four.

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, so it was it occurred at zero year.

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It's year zero. Yeah, we'll just put the null set

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>represent that. And this kid gets pushed out of a

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>window into a that of toxic sludge.

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Which that's beyond bullying.

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, I mean, this is basically it's a more

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>twisted version of modern problems. The Chevy Chase film from

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years earlier.

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have seen that one.

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh you never saw a modern problem. No, it's very silly,

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.239
<v Speaker 1>but he got toxic sledge dumped on him and had

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>special powers.

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>From years earlier, prior or after.

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>What when was the movie, Yeah, it was two years

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>before Toxic Avenger. But Toxic Avenger took it into are

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>special effects way that modern Problems never did.

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>So the janitor Melvin I believe his name is, becomes toxified,

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>it becomes toxic. The Toxic Avenger who beats the tar

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>out of people at the health club where he was

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>abused and mutated and has tons of sex as the

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Toxic Avenger because his newfound manhood is just irresistible to women.

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that's noteworthy about the Toxic

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Avenger is that they actually tried to make decent effects. Yeah,

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just it wasn't horrible. I guess you could.

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Say, well for the time, you know, it wasn't bad.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>No, they remained bad, and they probably were kind of

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 2>bad even back then, but for for grindhouse films, yeah

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 2>they were, they were great, right. And it was also

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>noteworthy because it came out of Trauma Productions or Trouma

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Studios and it led to a whole line of Toxic

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Avenger movies and schlock in general, which is basically like

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>some crazy, horrible thing has happened, but we're not going

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>to dwell too much on that. Let's see what let's

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>let's see where the action takes us. Yeah, exactly, So

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>like Bad Taste, the Peter Peter Jackson's first film, right

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>is a great example of schlock that came out of

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Toxic Avenger.

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>And he had the film that followed, Peter Jackson Dead Alive,

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>which was at one point supposedly the gorriest film ever made. Really,

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>although it sounds like your new Korean movie has surpassed that.

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it probably has. I haven't seen that

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Alive's seen Bad Taste and Bad Taste it was horribly gory,

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>but I think this has it beat.

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I bet you if anything. I mean, I

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.719
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the one you're talking about. But is it

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>more realistic gore?

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with bad just like these are aliens that are

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>having their heads blown off. So it definitely takes you

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>at least a a degree away from caring this is

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>happening to human beings. And I saw the Devil, so

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it definitely is driven home a little more well.

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>And the violence that even the gore back then it

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>was so over the top, right out of Fangora magazine.

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, dude, Fangoria is still around, is it? Yeah?

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I figured it was.

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it is. We follow it on our Twitter feed.

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh we do. Yeah, Like Ahead'll explode in scanners and

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not disturbing because it's so clearly over

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the top. But these new movies are much more disturbing.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>If you ask me, I agree wholeheartedly because they're more realistic.

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>So carrying on with Chucks and my Ciscal and eber Act.

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 2>This is the second to last movie in our little

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>list today, and this one's from way back from the thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about reefer madness.

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 5>Lee's high school boys and girls are having a hot

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 5>at the local soda fountain. Innocently they dance innocent of

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 5>you and deadly menace lurking behind closed doors. May wanna

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 5>the burning weed with its roots in hell or watchcase

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 5>if you want to, you will meet Bill, who once

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 5>took pride in his strong will, as he takes the

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 5>first step toward enslavement. Here he.

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Softly so, so that was the excellent reefer Madness, which

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>was an exploitation drug exploitation film and very much a

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>cautionary tale. It even shaped the drug culture and how

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>people looked at drugs. Is you know marijuana at the time,

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Is this really evil thing that can make you crazy

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and kill people?

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And actually, in very much the vein of early

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>exploitation films, it was produced and distributed as a public service,

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>like the alternate title for it was Tell Your Children,

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And the whole thing set in a pta meeting where

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>this guy is relating the story, and it's a story

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 2>about lost lives, about murder, about guilt and paranoia, and

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 2>all of it is fed and based on rampant drug use,

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>which is really just a lot of pot smoking which

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>can turn you into a fiend. And it's apparently the

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>director his name is Dwayne Esper. He did other exploitation

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>films from the thirties like Sex Madness, Psychotic Connections, and

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 2>he made a name for himself basically taking these things

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that may have originally been written as a public service

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>right and making them so outlandish that he exploited the

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>people who were making these movies right and created this

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>legacy of like just insanely over the top exploitation films

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>from the thirties.

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, and ironically, refor Madness years later would become not

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>so much an anti drug propaganda film, how should I

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>say this, but a film that college students would sit

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>around and watch while partaking and laughing at this whole thing. Yeah,

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and a cult film.

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it puts drugs so far out there that

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>if you, despite all the warnings, take drugs anyway and

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 2>you realize that you don't turn into a fiend and

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>murder somebody, you refor Madness basically dares you to go further.

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of an it's the opposite. It has

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the opposite effect of what I think its original intent

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>was before Duayne Asberg got its hands on it. And

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>as a side note, I had trouble deciding between Reefer

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Madness and another nineteen thirties film by a guy named

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Todd Browning called Freaks.

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that was that was huge because it

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:16.919
<v Speaker 1>was the first big exploitation film pre Hayes Code and Last.

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first and last, and it was it was an

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>MGM film. Yeah, and it's widely considered a masterpiece.

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mean, it looks great. It's it's not it was

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>well done.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 2>It's a huge it's a it's a revenge movie, which

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>is a very common theme in exploitation films. Yeah, especially

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>violent ones. But it's it featured Browning dared to have

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>real freaks.

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess if you yes, Circus side show freaks, Yeah.

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Star in this and they basically exact their revenge on

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>people who've mistreated them. And I have not seen it.

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, yeah, I wanted to. I hear it's

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>just awesome. I can't win.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>It ended his career though, unfortunately. Really yeah, and he

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>was a popular filmmaker at the time.

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, hats off to him for first staying true to

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>his art. Chuck just took his hat off on the

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>old cap. All right, Chuck, here's the last one that

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>we've got a clip for which I think everybody will

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>notice or recognize without even a word. There's not even

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 2>a word in this clip, and you will understand what's

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>going on.

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 4>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Josh, those are the unmistakable sounds of fist of

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>fury of mister one.

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Mister Bruce Ley, Bruce Lee kicking bottom. This first movie, Yeah,

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.879
<v Speaker 2>which was originally titled well, it's still title I think

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 2>in Asia the Big and in America it is its

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:05.439
<v Speaker 2>titled Fists of Fury.

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was on the other night. Okay, Well I

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>saw part of it. Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>it was his first one, though I would have tuned in.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was first of what five five major films, right,

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And basically it's the story of a martial arts student

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 2>who's investigating the murder of his teacher. And it began

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the martial arts exploitation sub genre.

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Which later would become just martial arts films. Right or

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>was it still considered exploitation.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>It's all the same, Okay, they're one and the same.

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Anything that even remotely resembles a Bruce Lee movie, specifically

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 2>The Big Boss or any of them, is martial arts

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>exploitation technically, because again we arrive at that one definition.

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 2>It's over the top, like Bruce Ley's taking on scores

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 2>of anonymous thugs for two hours, one after the other,

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>for two hours, just beating the tar out of all

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>these people without tiring. Really, everybody's kind of waiting their

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>turn politely in a circle around him, and he has

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>to beat everybody right, and then he works his way

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>up and it's over the top, so it is exploitation.

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>But it led to other films like Samurai exploitation. Remember

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 2>American Ninja. Remember the whole ninja film thing that came

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>out in the mid eighties. Uh huh, that's from Bruce

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Lee's that's Bruce Lee's doing well.

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you go to these at the time when

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I was first going to New York many years ago,

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:23.959
<v Speaker 1>that would be uh, you know, you go to Times

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<v Speaker 1>Square and this was still when Time Square was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gross, and that would be just the the Martial

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<v Speaker 1>Arts movie store where it was all that stuff. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>like thousands of movies about ninja's and samuraiz and martial

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<v Speaker 1>artists and very big.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was inspired by American Ninja to become a ninja.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember I entered a ninja training with Tommy Roper, who

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<v Speaker 2>had like more throwing stars than any kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I ever, what did you have? Like one throwing star?

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<v Speaker 2>I borrowed his. Okay, I was not allowed to have

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<v Speaker 2>throwing stars on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I wasn't either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Baptist, No, that was very violent. No, nunbchucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Not even that transcends like religious back. It's like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a good parent, you shouldn't let your kid have

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<v Speaker 2>throwing star.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. And as you point in the article,

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<v Speaker 1>this actually led to another subgenre, which was Bruce Lee

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<v Speaker 1>lookalike movies. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he made five movies and then died at age

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two. Yeah, and nineteen seventy three. So Big Boss

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 2>released in nineteen seventy one, he dies two years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's like, no, so let's find some guys that look

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>like him, which is really kind of stereotypical and racist

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<v Speaker 2>for the West. But Bruce Lee l I or Lee

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<v Speaker 2>or l E or just l E. Well, Bruce l

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<v Speaker 2>I or Bruce ell Ee. I don't think there was

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<v Speaker 2>ever like Bruce l e I g H. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it ever got that far. But I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>released dozens of Bruce Lee and I just made air

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<v Speaker 2>quote films.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bruce Lee created the martial arts exploitation genre and subgenre,

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<v Speaker 2>and he inadvertently created the Bruce Lee exploitation subgenre of

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<v Speaker 2>the martial arts exploitation subgenre.

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<v Speaker 1>By dying young, Yeah and being very popular. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>which one was the one he had? Kareem Antal Jabbarian

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<v Speaker 1>Enter the Dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you've never seen a like seven foot plus

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.439
<v Speaker 1>guy to martial arts, you should check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can't get enough Bruce Lee and you

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 2>have a good sense of humor, check out Kentucky Fried

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 2>movie made by one Jerry's Rucker, Jerry who we met

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<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles recently and who used an exploitive to me.

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<v Speaker 2>He did it was one of the high points of

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 2>my life, it is. But yeah, Kentucky Fry movie awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, when we met Jerry Zucker, we told him that

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 1>our little speech we were given that night was one

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 1>of the highlights of our career thus far. And he says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't say much about your career, does it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing to do does is something.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny and we just like kind of fawned over the man.

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<v Speaker 1>We should mention briefly and it's in the article, but

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<v Speaker 1>just as a teaser. The late seventies we got Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation movies, not exploitation as a subgenre. Yeah, And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the major players there movie was ilsa she Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>S S Yeah, which led to ilsa Siberian Tigris and

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 2>ilsa harm Keeper of the oil sheeks. Really, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole sex violence franchise, Dominatrix franchise that was based out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Nazis' floitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one could argue that q T mister Tarantino

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<v Speaker 1>has made nothing but exploitation films since pulp fiction, because

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<v Speaker 1>the kill bills were definitely martial arts exploitation. The Jackie

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Brown was a riff on on black exploitation. Sure, death

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Proof obviously that was what they were trying to do there.

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<v Speaker 2>Death Proof is Carsploitation, which follows in the tradition of

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<v Speaker 2>Vanishing Point, which was released the same year as basically

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 2>its rival to the founder, the founding movie of Carsploitation

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Two Lane Blacktop right, whichat movie. Yeah, if you want

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>to start an argument with an exploitation film, buff tell him.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Vanishing Point was the beginning of copl They'll get mad

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>at you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally Tarantino with The Inglorious Bastards, which was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a riff on the Nazi exploitation films. Yeah, beaten

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis to death with the baseball bat, yes, about as

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>over the top and lurid as it gets awesome.

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, and then Machete I hated it, but Robert

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible.

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And of course he was the other half of the

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez was the other half with his Planet Terror of

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the Grindhouse double feature. Yeah, okay, and Machete was born

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<v Speaker 1>from one of the little fake trailers they made in

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that movie.

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that right?

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one of the fake movie previews.

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 2>It is even as far as like a purposefully B

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 2>movie not good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, death Proof was okay, but I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>Planet Tear that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then Chuck. Well, first of all, before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to today, we also have to give a shout

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>out to Porno's. Porno came out of the exploitation film genre.

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<v Speaker 1>And it arguably had a lot to do with killing

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the X or pushing it into the mainstream, because once

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you had the movie Deep Throat and all of a sudden,

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>pornography was on the screen, it's like, you can't do

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 1>an exploitation film about it anymore. If there's the real

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.359
<v Speaker 1>deal going on, it loses all its power. And then

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a little movie called Jaws came along and all of

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.879
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, a quote unquote B movie style movie made

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>gobs and gobs of money, and that put a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of mainstream respectability on the map all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>And so one might argue, Josh that movies like Jaws

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 1>and Pornography kind of shoved exploitation films even though they

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>still exist. They're sort of mainstream movies now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, yeah, I guess another word for grindhouse these

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>days is blockbuster. Jaws was the first blockbuster movie, summer blockbuster,

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 2>and now you have to have summer blockbusters, and they're

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 2>always over the top and exploitive of viewers' tastes.

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 1>And not only Tarantino, those other filmmakers out that are

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to capture that seventies vibe with overt exploitation films again,

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>shot that way, shot on thirty five or I'm sorry,

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>sixteen millimeter film, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, Chuck, I say, our message to everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>number one, go on to the site, read ten noteworthy

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 2>exploitation films. Number two if that interests you. Like, even

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the ten noteworthy exploitation films I chose don't cover even

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<v Speaker 2>I think a third of the exploitation subgenres. So there'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably be another article forthcoming at some point. If there is,

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll let you know and then go watch some exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>movies and enjoy them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, watch the documentary American Grindhouse too, if you're into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great one. It's free on Hulu. Actually

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>there's ads, but Hulu dot com has American Grindhouse for free.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not safe for work now, in no way,

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>shape or form. I was watching it at work and

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, WHOA, Okay, really, yeah, if you are

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