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Speaker 1: stayed up filth dow. He's gone down, Get down, Get

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Speaker 1: it down, sacked. Welcome to the Twentymen in the Huddle

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Speaker 1: Podcast post game edition with producer P. J. Clark. As

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Speaker 1: we always are after Lions games and Peach, It's like

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Speaker 1: we were. We had a lot of good to talk

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Speaker 1: about for three weeks. And although they played toe to

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo on Thanksgiving in front of a national arts

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Speaker 1: they come up just short, losing twenty eight twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I guess for self, you know, big takeaway for you

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Speaker 1: showed that they can go toe to toe now within

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Speaker 1: that's really big for a young roster that is still

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Speaker 1: kind of learning how to win and coming into their

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Speaker 1: own you would have loved to get to win, but

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Speaker 1: going toe to toe with Buffalo, I think it was

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Speaker 1: really important long term. Yeah, I mean, and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and you know that you thought when they tied the

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Speaker 1: game in the in the final twenty three seconds that

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Speaker 1: this thing was headed to overtime. But Allen's a great player,

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Speaker 1: and great players make great plays, and Stefan Diggs is

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Speaker 1: for for Detroit, and um, you know, got themselves a

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Speaker 1: big play and won the game late. But I agree,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I thought, you know, Dan Campbell had

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Speaker 1: had a great quote after the game. You know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about this not being a step back after three

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Speaker 1: straight weeks, but how they can use this as a

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Speaker 1: step forward because, like you talked about, this is a

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Speaker 1: Buffalo team that's expected to win the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: it took a last second field goal, um for for

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Speaker 1: for them to be Detroit. This is what Dan had

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Speaker 1: to say. Well, I think just for them to know

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Speaker 1: that once again, you know, just you know, when you

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Speaker 1: play a team like this, uh, you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: always have to be perfect, but man, when you're playing

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Speaker 1: that that caliber team, the margin for errors, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is very minute and uh so um and and

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Speaker 1: every play is significant, which we've talked about before. But

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Speaker 1: but I also want them to understand it should sting

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Speaker 1: that we lost that game, because we you know, we

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Speaker 1: had our opportunities. But that doesn't mean we've taken a

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're continuing to take a step. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's there's still mistakes, but I don't feel like this

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Speaker 1: And that's as long as when we come out of

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Speaker 1: this break, uh, you know, this little three days off here,

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Speaker 1: You know, Um, this can be a positive for us,

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Speaker 1: not a negative, you know. And in Dan's right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you can take this as a positive moving forward,

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Speaker 1: especially when you look at, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: some self inflicted stuff, right, I mean, Jamal Williams's fumble,

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Speaker 1: what should be a favorable matchup in Jacksonville, a team

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Speaker 1: think it was just not a good throw. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, had to feel pretty good about your chances

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