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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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Speaker 1: The podcast that says what it's about in the title,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to explain it. This is part

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Speaker 1: two of our two part series on the Russian Nihilists,

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Speaker 1: who were for the most part cool people who did

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Speaker 1: for the most part cool stuff. Um, a lot of

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Speaker 1: caveats put in there. I got to admit they went

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Speaker 1: all yeah and with me today is io who is cool?

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Speaker 1: No coveyats? Hello, Why don't you introduce yourself so that

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Speaker 1: I don't have to? Especially what you're famous for? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I used I used to be famous for for being

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Speaker 1: in bands and then sometimes being in comics, and then

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Speaker 1: I made a fucking meme uh that's aid be gay,

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Speaker 1: do crime, And now McDonald's and HBO uses it in

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Speaker 1: their advertisements, and it haunts the mansion of my mind,

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Speaker 1: and I'll never be rid of yep. But I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of feelings about be gay and doing crime.

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Speaker 1: However I can't. I have to separate myself from that

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Speaker 1: because the Bernie Sanders campaign takes it over and and

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Speaker 1: I gotta deal with it anyway. That's what I'm famous

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Speaker 1: for right now. Who knows next year's stay tuned, everybody. Yay,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to get a break from that one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's not what it's on my tombstone, that did

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Speaker 1: the Bacon do crime meme? I promise if it is,

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Speaker 1: I'll steal your flowers and wear them please, and I'll

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Speaker 1: drink half a European forty and break it like you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't know. And also with us is our producer Sophie,

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Speaker 1: who has told us that if we do good that

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Speaker 1: we can take the shock collars off. Yeah, but only

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Speaker 1: if you do good. Well, so far we're doing okay,

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Speaker 1: So let's see if we can bump pump it up.

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Speaker 1: All right? So where we left left our all Ward heroes,

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Speaker 1: they were acting like punks or hippies or something. They

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Speaker 1: were all wearing weird clothes, getting two into very specific books,

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Speaker 1: starting a bunch of cooperatives, partaking in the occasional casual arson,

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Speaker 1: and just trying to live their little weird lives, except

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Speaker 1: for one of them tried to kill the czar in

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty six and got hanged for it. Who can relate,

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Speaker 1: I know? Uh. And suddenly the Nihilists went from facing

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Speaker 1: a little repression to an awful lot of oppression, and

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Speaker 1: the era of nihilism has cool clothes was waning. The

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Speaker 1: era of nihilism as guns and bombs and pretending to

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Speaker 1: be peasants, however, is just beginning. So let's talk about terrorism,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about my second least favorite nihilist, Sergei

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Speaker 1: Nietzschiov Nietzschiev. I even looked up how to pronounce that,

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Speaker 1: but so it goes Nietzsiev. And this is the person

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a lot of hate mail for disliking.

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Speaker 1: I think he was actually a way worse person than

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Speaker 1: the other guy that we talked about in the first episode,

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Speaker 1: who liked to pull on horsetails or just like to

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Speaker 1: get talked about badly in his three books, but actually

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Speaker 1: was perfectly fine. Um. But at least Sergey was interesting.

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Speaker 1: So that that's why he's the second least favorite. Is

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Speaker 1: there a lot of Sergey Sergey stands out there? I

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Speaker 1: think so? And you when you find out what book

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Speaker 1: he wrote, you might have heard of it. Um, So, okay.

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Speaker 1: So he was born in eighty seven, and he's a

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Speaker 1: bit so he's a bit younger than of our previous heroes.

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Speaker 1: And his parents were ex serfs. I actually can't figure

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Speaker 1: that means, and I don't. His parents were freed as

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Speaker 1: serfs before the serfs were freed, so I don't entirely

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Speaker 1: know how the mechanism for that. But his dad was

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Speaker 1: a non surf sign painter by the time little Sergey

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Speaker 1: was born, and he went to St. Petersburg and he

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Speaker 1: became a student radical and a nihilist, and he spent

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Speaker 1: his days there doing what every student did at the time,

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Speaker 1: pondering how to kill the czar. So far, so good.

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Speaker 1: And while he's there he meets a fellow revolutionist and

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Speaker 1: he's into her, Vera Zasulitch, who we've met before. She

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Speaker 1: wore the really nice clothes and the potato, the potato

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Speaker 1: potato sack. Vera is this post? Is this post her? No?

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Speaker 1: This is ten years before her potato sack run? Yeah? Um.

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Speaker 1: She is just another student radical who likes talking about

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Speaker 1: They both want to kill this ar. So Sergey decides

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Speaker 1: He also escaped. He escaped Siberia while back it was

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Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, bacun In, you like secret societies, right?

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Speaker 1: Bakun In is like, I do. I like secret societies

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Speaker 1: a lot, because back then he was really into secret societies,

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Speaker 1: as any self respecting anarchist would. Yeah, especially back then

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Speaker 1: when they were like mass action instead secret societies. Uh well, now,

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Speaker 1: one for you. Sarage says, this is not actual quotes.

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Speaker 1: is not the word for word conversation. He says, he's

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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Alliance, and Russia have you know, is just on

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Speaker 1: making it up in the whole cloth, every single word

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Speaker 1: of it. I like him so far, baccun like that.

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Speaker 1: Rules let me help. I'll I want to buy that

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Speaker 1: and all of his friends are like, baccoon, and I

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Speaker 1: love you, but what the funk are you doing? Bacunan

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Speaker 1: is like, what are you talking about? This man is

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Speaker 1: during this time that old Sergei NIETZSCHEV writes his book, which,

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Speaker 1: His book is called Catechism of the Revolutionary. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard of this book? It's okay if you haven't, I

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Speaker 1: won't shame you, okay. Um, So, first of all, it's

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Speaker 1: Compassion is counter revolutionary. The the modern writer I referenced

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Speaker 1: A revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no private interests,

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Speaker 1: Not merely by word, but by deed. He has severed

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Speaker 1: A revolutionary must infiltrate all social formations, including the police.

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Speaker 1: He must exploit rich and influential people, subordinating them to himself.

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Speaker 1: And finally, he must ally himself with the savage world

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Speaker 1: of the violent criminal, the only true revolutionary in Russia.

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Speaker 1: And it's especially that last bit about how he must

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Speaker 1: on purpose so that they might become more Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the PSL strategy. Yeah, he sends hundreds of people

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Speaker 1: In the end, Kropocan ended up calling it the Mad

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Speaker 1: Summer of eighteen seventy four because everyone just like went

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Speaker 1: off and did it in groups of three or four.

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Speaker 1: They all like learned how to become cobbl pers and

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Speaker 1: ship and then we're like, all right, we're going to

427
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: the people. And uh, they started like traveling the countryside

428
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Speaker 1: and working alongside the people and preaching revolution, but also

429
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: like being doctors there and and and just trying to

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Speaker 1: help out. Um. And once again, everyone has completely different

431
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Speaker 1: ideas of how this played out. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go against the conventional wisdom here. The conventional wisdom is

433
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Speaker 1: that this was completely naive. The peasants like turned them

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Speaker 1: into the cops. No one listened to them. This is

435
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: all just a bunch of like on high nonsense and

436
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Speaker 1: didn't work and all of this stuff, and the more

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Speaker 1: recent historians I've read say that this is this is

438
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Speaker 1: a lie um. The the idea that they were like

439
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Speaker 1: completely naive is just a historical and it serves a

440
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Speaker 1: lot of different narratives to claim that they were naive.

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Speaker 1: If they were being viewed as missionaries, maybe that they

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Speaker 1: it might be that their work was a failure. But

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Speaker 1: they weren't Marxist missionaries. They weren't even anarchist missionaries or

444
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Speaker 1: nihilist missionaries. They didn't They believed their whole thing was

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Speaker 1: at the work of free the people, was the work

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00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: of the people themselves, and so instead their work is

447
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: to educate people, and they actually showed some success in it,

448
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: and in general they earned people's trust. A thousand of

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00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: them end up arrested, and a lot of sources claim

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Speaker 1: that the peasants turned them in. That's all based on

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00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: one time that one peasant turned in one nihilist and

452
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: turned him in because he was like being shitty to

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Speaker 1: the kids, to the guy's kid. Time and time again,

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Speaker 1: the cops would show up being like, we think you

455
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Speaker 1: have subversives here teaching you stuff, and they were like

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Speaker 1: they would literally answer like I'm sorry, I am at

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Speaker 1: one with the community and like stonewall them. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then like at one point a neurotnic physician was working

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Speaker 1: in Yeah, no, they were like, um and even if

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Speaker 1: they didn't like the guy, even if they were like, oh,

461
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Speaker 1: it's a little weird, but they're like, well, we're not

462
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Speaker 1: gonna turn you in, you know. Um yeah, they know

463
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Speaker 1: what it means as you have subversives here. Yeah, I'm

464
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Speaker 1: not a I'm not a fan, but yeah, like he

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Speaker 1: taught my kids how to read. What do you want

466
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Speaker 1: you know? And at one point like a physician, but yeah,

467
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: keep talking about the masses or something, but hey, my

468
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: kidness how to read. And I'm like, dude, I'm just

469
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: trying to grow grow must spuds. Yeah. Um. And so

470
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: at one point this physician is working in a village

471
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Speaker 1: and the cops are trying to build a case against him.

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Speaker 1: But the way it's written is, but he must have

473
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Speaker 1: been a very bad physician because everyone was suffering from

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Speaker 1: both deafness and amnesia because no one would snitch him out.

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00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, I don't remember, and all the kids were like,

476
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 1: I think he talked to me, but I fell asleep. Um,

477
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: and it actually it came up a lot in the

478
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Speaker 1: huge trial. Go ahead, that's a blast. Yeah, I love that. Yeah,

479
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: all the fucking like a fucking cartoon level dumb cop.

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Speaker 1: Chief Wigham comes in. Everybody, everybody's everybody been struck in

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Speaker 1: that case, I am an easy Yeah. They won't tell

482
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: me where the subversion is. Yeah, okay. And then I've

483
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: been to talk about a bad neuronic during this whole time,

484
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: just to sort of flavor the soup and talk about

485
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: how the left was really anti Semitic everywhere and continues

486
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: to be to this day. One of the neuron NICs

487
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: I read about, um, he was like he kept talking

488
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: about how the peasants needed to rise up and slaughter

489
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: the nobility the czar and used a not nice word

490
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: for Jews because they were all idlers. Um, and left

491
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: anti Semitism has been going for a long long time.

492
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: There were there were absolutely Jews among the Nihilists, and

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00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about a couple of them later. Um.

494
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: But in general, I don't have a really clear picture

495
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: of how common this sentiment was, but I believe it

496
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: was an evil that found its way into the left

497
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: at the time um, so it's always it's always peppered

498
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: in there. I know. You'll here's somebody who's right about everything,

499
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: and you're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then

500
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: they're like and it's because of the Jews, and you're like, wait,

501
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: hold hold on, yeah, come on, you had it, you

502
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: had it right there, and you had to invent invent this,

503
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, and which which both sides agree on? These are?

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00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, not this particular zar he didn't get a

505
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: chance too because he got blown up, but including by

506
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: a Jewish woman. But we'll get to that. Um. But

507
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, the the protocols of the Elders of Zion

508
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: all come out of Czar Russia, conspiracy nonsense. And one

509
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: of the things that also happened is that the Neuronnicks

510
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: actually were converted by the people rather than just the

511
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: people them converting the people or whatever. And I see

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Speaker 1: this a lot in like my contemporary circles, right like

513
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Earth first ors who go move out to go live

514
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: rural to do organizing, they just stay rural and adopt

515
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: the mannerisms in the culture, and it's it stops being

516
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: an affectation at some point and people are just like, actually,

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Speaker 1: I really like living out here and like working on

518
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: a farm and having a truck and stuff, you know,

519
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: and and that happened to a lot of the NeuroD

520
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: NICs as far as I can tell, um, and some

521
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: of them even converted to the religion of the people

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00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that they would go out amongst. There's like a lot

523
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: of I wish I could go into it now. I

524
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I genuinely want to do something about the weird different

525
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: cults and groups that were going on at the time.

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Speaker 1: But stay tuned for cool people who do cool stuff

527
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: after dark on the Patreon level. Um, yeah, I want

528
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: to talk about the SCOPESI, which was a castration cult

529
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: amongst the people at some point. But um, but basically

530
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people who went out, including some of

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Speaker 1: the people who are like the leaders. Inasmuch as there

532
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: were some of the NeuroD Nicks joined the Spiritual Christianity movement,

533
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: including the Dalko Bars, which I don't have to pronounce.

534
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: We're sort of like these Christian anarchists who lived out

535
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: at least in Siberia, and actually apparently later anarchists like

536
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: Parkin for example, got a lot of his ideas when

537
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: he was exiled in Siberia. From hanging out with them

538
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: um about how cooperation works. And later the Christian anarchists Tolstoi,

539
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the famous author War and Peace guy, helped pay to

540
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: get a bunch of the Doko bars whose names I

541
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: really should have looked up how to pronounce out of

542
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: the country and into Canada and oh and then some

543
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: of the people who did all of that ended up

544
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: converting to Christian anarchism and moved to Kansas and started

545
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: a commune for a while and tried to start a

546
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: new religion. Um, and it fell apart, Like every utopian

547
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: commune thing that's ever happened in the U S. Wealls apart,

548
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: same as it ever was. I would love I would

549
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: love to hear about that commune though. Yeah, I'm a

550
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: big I have a big interest in Christian anarchism, as

551
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: raise raises, a very very deep Irish Catholic. Okay, So

552
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: a thousand of them get arrested, a hundred ninety three

553
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: of them are held for trial. They're held for three

554
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: years in prison, and they're trying because they're tried. In

555
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: eight and fifty three of them are acquitted, and it's

556
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: called the Trial of the One and it's the largest

557
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: trial in Zarest, Russian history, and a lot of people

558
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: become hard and revolutionists as a result. And well, to

559
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: quote John F. Kennedy, those who make peaceful revolution impossible

560
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: will make violent revolution inevitable. And so just just like

561
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: and just like Lenen, just like Mars, I will say

562
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: again they have some good points. Yeah, so you have

563
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: too handed to them. So let's talk about violent revolution.

564
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Land and Freedom. Let's talk about the

565
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: stuff that will be read in a court transcript for

566
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: you later, and let's talk about Okay, you know how

567
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: I said, there's three naming conventions. They either have terrible

568
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: names like the People's Association of Facre Secret Societies of Russia,

569
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: or they have like really obvious names organization. They also,

570
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: this group that folds into Land and Freedom is named

571
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: the Troug Delights, which rules Hell and the Troug Delights.

572
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean like this is basically that movie

573
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: The Warriors, um yea. And so they come together after

574
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: the trial the one and form Land and Freedom, which

575
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: is actually the second group to be called Landed Freedom.

576
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Speaker 1: But there's only so much time in this world and

577
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: in this podcast, so I'm gonna talk about this Land

578
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: and freedom. We don't have time. You got you can

579
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: have the Internet, Wikipedia, but you know what, there is time.

580
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: There's time to listen to the people who are supporting

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00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: this podcast and hearing what they have to say. We're

582
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: back and we're now fin finally talking about veras a sulagh.

583
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: We keep referencing multiple times throughout the past couple episodes,

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00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: couple of this episode. In the previous episode, Yeah, she's

585
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the woman who has spurned netchiev and might have accidentally

586
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: pushed him towards this little weird instell rent of the

587
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Catechism. I wonder how much hate mail I'll get

588
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: for referring to it as an instell rent. Anyway, that's

589
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: ship that show biz folks from from experience a lot cool. Anyway.

590
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: You can find me my my Twitter handle as I right, okay,

591
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: so okay. Vera was born in eighteen fifty one and

592
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: she was descended from Like Minor and Broke nobility, which

593
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: seems to be again a constant thing is that like

594
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: nobility doesn't guarantee you. I mean, it's sure is nicer

595
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: than being a surf I'm sure no. Bidility was just

596
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: just a hageldy piggledy sort of thing back then. Yeah,

597
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it practically meant like not owned by somebody.

598
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: It's more complex than that. But her dad died when

599
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: she was three, and as soon as she finished high

600
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: school in eighteen sixty six, she moved to St. Petersburg.

601
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Speaker 1: So she's like fifteen, and she found work as a clerk,

602
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: and she, in good nihilist fashion, went around and taught classes,

603
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: and she taught literacy classes for working women, and she

604
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: rolled with a whole bunch of different political factions. She

605
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: spurned that guy who asked her to emigrate with him,

606
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to, so he goes off. Then

607
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: he gets their thrown in prison. It's totally not revenge, babe.

608
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: It's just the revolution, you know. The revolution just needs

609
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you to be in jail. Um. She spends four years

610
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: in prison. She's released in eighteen seventy three, and she

611
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: moves to Kiev because, much like Russia's attempting to redo,

612
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Ukraine was owned by the Russian Empire at this time.

613
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: Her and her friend Masha coland Kina are like, hey,

614
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe some guys need to die like

615
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: like you do, like woms amongst us has not thought

616
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: that can you can you really imagine a better world

617
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: without coming to this inevitable conclusion. I can't wait for

618
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: this to be read in court, so so Vera. More,

619
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean, we're obviously only talking about nineteenth century people.

620
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: These are the only people who need to die, So

621
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: we actually can't kill anyone until we built time machines

622
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: far past the statute of limitations. Can you use time

623
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: machines to, like, you kill someone and then you just

624
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: hop in the time machine to go forward statute of

625
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: limitations into the future. No, I've tried, Okay, um so okay.

626
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: More specifically, Vera decided that uh Fearedoor trip Off should die.

627
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: He'd spent about fifty years putting down revolts, especially in Poland,

628
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: which was also owned by Russia at this point. Um,

629
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: and he moved to St. Petersburg in eighteen sixty six.

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00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: He was a big part of that putting down the

631
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: nihilist thing, which she had succeeded that. He was a

632
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: successful crushing the nihilist type person. Um. But that's not

633
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: what got him put on Vera's list. Oh No, it

634
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: wasn't enough to just crush to the nihilists. Okay, So

635
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: this is other guy. And there's too many names in

636
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: the story already. So this guy's this guy. He's a nihilist.

637
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: He wasn't a big deal. I mean, I'm sure he

638
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: was in his own life and the people who loved him.

639
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: But one day he shows up I think is seventy six,

640
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: He shows up late to a demonstration. That demonstration gets

641
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: called and he goes. He has nothing to do with

642
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: the organizing or anything, and it had already been busted

643
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: up by the cops. So he gets arrested. He gets

644
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: into prison, I guess jail, but you know, he gets

645
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: into a not nice hole where you're stuck and he uh,

646
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: he's in prison with alongside all the trial the people

647
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: that I was just talking about, the people who went

648
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: to the people. And so Feodor trap Off comes into

649
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: the prison one day and this guy the wrong place,

650
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: the wrong time. Guy he doesn't take off his hat

651
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: in deference, so Feodor has him. Feodor has him flogged

652
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: to an inch of his life, which is kind of

653
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: shockingly the first time one of these young radicals is

654
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: flogged in prison, um or at least the first time

655
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: like a member of the Intelligencia is flogged in prison,

656
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: and it's like a big deal both in prison and

657
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: outside of prison. And so the whole prison riots because

658
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a prisoner got beat up. Um, and he like really

659
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: got beat up. He goes insane. The wrong place, Wrong

660
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: time guy goes insane. He spends the rest of his

661
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: life in a psych word screaming and yelling about the

662
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: people who are trying to kill him, which is actually

663
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: a fairly reasonable conclusion for him to have reached based

664
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: on the fact that he showed up late to a

665
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: demonstration and then got thrown in prison where he was

666
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: beaten for not taking a hat off. Yeah, there's people

667
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: trying to kill him for not taking a hat off.

668
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Imagine the people trying to kill him for real reasons. Yeah.

669
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: So Severa is like, all right, it's it's shooty time, right, um,

670
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: this guy not the not the wrong place guy, but

671
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: the fear door. And then her friend Masha picks another target.

672
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: She picks the prosecutor behind the trial of the one,

673
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and they head out separately, and Vera finds Mr. Trap

674
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Off and shoots him at I think maybe the first

675
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: time in this story someone successfully shoots somebody. Um, but

676
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: she she doesn't successfully assassinate he survives. I know he's

677
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: seriously wounded. Uh, it's again the best that people have

678
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: gotten to at that point. Um, he had an extremely

679
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: bad time. Yeah, and she actually used yeah exactly, it's

680
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: not nothing. Yeah, she's a revolver called a British bulldog,

681
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: which was the same type of gun that three years later,

682
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Charles Gattaux in the US used to kill President Garfield

683
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: for basically no good reason. Like Charles Gatto doesn't It

684
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: was not like a political actor in any particular way.

685
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: He was like mad that he didn't get a job. Um,

686
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: and hey, I'm not I'm I'm not. I'm not here

687
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: to Yeah, no, I mean whatever, you know, I'm not.

688
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk down somebody who killed kill

689
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: the president. Wait, wait to go, my dude. Well, actually

690
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: this actually brings up something that been earlier, is that

691
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: when when Lincoln got killed, um, before any of the

692
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: people shot any of the people in Russia, at least

693
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: within my story, obviously some people have shot some people

694
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: in Russia before this. When Lincoln got killed, the revolutionists

695
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: in Europe were like mostly bummed because they kind of

696
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: liked Lincoln, right, because they hated the Confederacy, because they

697
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: weren't really big fans of slavery because they had like

698
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: a decent basic moral compass. But they all kind of

699
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: had this epiphany after Wilkes Booth kills Lincoln where they're

700
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: just suddenly like, you mean, you could just like kill

701
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: a guy. Okay. So Masha misses entirely, but she then

702
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: gets in a shootout with some cops and she ends

703
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: up winds up sentenced to Siberia Vera though she gets

704
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: caught and she goes on trial, but it's a jury trial,

705
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: which is kind of new at the time, and the jury,

706
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: after deliberating and hearing out what every want has to say,

707
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, fuck it? Like the guy

708
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: seems like he needed killing. I mean it's basically self defense. Um,

709
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: she's let off. Fuck nice. Yeah. So the guy is like,

710
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: you know what, this jury trial thing, it's not our

711
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: thing anymore? Was this? Was this a reform from from

712
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: the good Tsar Alexander the Second? I believe? So that

713
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: is my impression. Um, And so he rolls back and

714
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: it's no more juries for political trials. So Vera is like,

715
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: I hear Switzerland's nice. She gets the funk out of Russia.

716
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: She goes to Switzerland. Yeah, and she had We had

717
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: a good time, Vera, and nothing else bad happened to

718
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you kind of yeah, she actually does all right. She

719
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: she becomes a Marxist, she becomes a Menshevik, which is

720
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: like the more reform minded of the Russian Marxist but

721
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: compared to the Bolsheviks. Um, and she kind of you know,

722
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these people actually kind of later are like, well,

723
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: we gave it. The old college tried and it didn't work.

724
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: And so they're not like, man, I'm so sorry I

725
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: tried to kill that dude. But they are like, maybe

726
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: killing that dude wasn't the way to accomplish the things

727
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: that we're trying to accomplish, you know, if yeah, you

728
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: have you have your beliefs in your heart and you

729
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: have your beliefs in reality. Yeah, and in those days

730
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: they were they were a little more cut and dry

731
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: as as far as I see it, at least yeah,

732
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: I could see them. Um. So after uh, Masha and

733
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: Vera try to kill some people, a lot of ship

734
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: happens land and Freedom does a lot of ship kind

735
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: of all in and I'm not going to go blow

736
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: by blow, but after the you know, After all this

737
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: stuff happens, the police raid some radical presses and one

738
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: press operator named Ivan, of course Ivan Kobolski is like,

739
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck you and he fights the police

740
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: with a dagger and a gun while his friends burn

741
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: all the incriminating documents. Um. Yeah, and he's he's captured

742
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: and he's tried. What a cool guy. And he's the

743
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: first political execute s of this like new era. It's

744
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: like been ten years since. Um. And then there's like

745
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: a while back and forth after that. Multiple people are

746
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: getting shot and stabbed. Nihilists kill an infiltrator, then they

747
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: shoot a prosecutor who also survives. Um. More than one

748
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: chief of police gets stabbed to death with a dagger

749
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: at this point. Uh, I'm gonna talk about one of

750
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: those in a little bit. I mean in Czaris Russia

751
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: and autocracy, Um yes yeah in Minecraft, Yeah no, I

752
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: think she is in rs Russia as our new Uh

753
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: in Minecraft is burned everybody talk about Inzaris Russia. Yeah, okay,

754
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: So one nihilist is named Michael Frelenko. He goes undercover

755
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: as a prison guard. He gets a job as a

756
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: prison guard, and he gets himself promoted to chief Warden.

757
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: So he took the advice of that that earlier pamphlet

758
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: or book. Yeah, that's true. Alright, alright, score one for Fornie.

759
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: When you were mentioned ings she has books, and I

760
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: was just like, who the funk would take the time? Yeah,

761
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: they would take the time. They took the time on

762
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the internet. We found we found someone in this very script.

763
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: There's another one later. Actually there's two of them. Oh

764
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: my goodness. So Michael, now there's Chief Warden and a nihilist.

765
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: He just walks a bunch of them ato jail, just

766
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: like a bunch of people who are like on trial

767
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: for death, and he just walks him out of jail

768
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: and they spend like a week rowing away to safety

769
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: on the river. I want to watch the I want

770
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: to watch The down By Law. I want to watch

771
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: Tom Waits in this movie. Oh god, Tom Waits will

772
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: be good for it. Oh yeah, I just watched The

773
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Shawshank Redemption for the first time in my life, which

774
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a good template for it. But like, as

775
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: far as prison break movies go, you could you can

776
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: make an Oscar winning yeah story out of these guys.

777
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Another nihilist infiltrated the secret police and then just provided

778
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: the nihilists with names of informants. Um, okay, hell yeah,

779
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: those are like just just as an aside the people

780
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: who do that in the modern day, the people who

781
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: infiltrate like neo Nazi words, and the people who like

782
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: I know, I know that it's like way less common

783
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: and way less open, but just just big, big ups

784
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: respect to those people. Yeah, it was a moment of silence.

785
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Definitely still alive who I love very dearly, especially the

786
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: ones who do it so I r l that they

787
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: like can't hang out with their friends, you know, I

788
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: know they really put their lives on hold for for

789
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, good for them anyway. Sorry, go on, no, no, no, okay,

790
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna talk about my favorite social democrat. It's

791
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: not Bernie. You'd think it'd be Bernie, but it's not. Um,

792
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: it's this guy named I know, Well, if Bernie could

793
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: do this, if Bernie could do this, it would it would.

794
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't actually have a low opinion of him. I

795
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: just have a non opinion of him. Um. Yeah, he's fine,

796
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: he's a good he's seems a good guy. Okay, so Stepniac,

797
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of a what hasn't he done? So he

798
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: was he was a Russian artillery officer. But then when

799
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: he was twenty in eighteen seventy one, he was like,

800
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't like this and he quit right because he

801
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: got radicalized, became a nihilist or whatever I guess he

802
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, complicated his personal definitions, and he joined the

803
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: going to the people. He got arrested. He then escaped

804
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: um and when he escaped, he went to Bosnia, which

805
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: was trying to free hisself from the Ottoman Empire at

806
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: the time, so he helped them do it or he

807
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: joined the struggle, and he then wrote a book about

808
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: guerrilla warfare while he's again in his twenties. He then

809
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: then fox off to Italy where he joins an anarchist

810
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: up rising in Benevento in eighteen seventy even, which is

811
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: basically like thirty people with rifles marching on villages in

812
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: in Italy and basically set all the tax and ownership

813
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: records on fire, and everyone's like this rules and like

814
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: the priest comes out and it's like thank you, these

815
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: people were sent by God deliberate us. And they do

816
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: this at two towns and then as they're marching the

817
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: third town, they all get rounded up and arrested, and

818
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: then he gets out of jail. And I actually don't

819
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: totally understand the mechanism by which he got out of jail.

820
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: I haven't done enough research, but it points to political

821
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: turmoil causes people to get out of jail more. Um.

822
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: Which is a good thing to remember that if you

823
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: like keep going, your friends are less likely to end

824
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: up staying in jail. So after he's done this, keep

825
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: that in mind. Listener for when you go back to Zaris, Russia, um,

826
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: which he did. He went back to Zaris, Russia, and

827
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: he then edited a journal. He was like, oh, I'm

828
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: gonna join edit a neun nick journal. And then right

829
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: around that time that press operator, the like dagger and

830
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: gun defender guy got um got executed. He uh found

831
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: the chief of the secret police and stabbed him to

832
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: death in this street, which is this is one of

833
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: the ones that I've heard about. Yeah, nice and he

834
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: like it's funny because they actually have a better track

835
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: record with daggers. Um. Yeah, a dagger is hard to

836
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: fail with. It's like one of those solid advice, most

837
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: solid piece of advice I've ever gotten is if somebody

838
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: pulls a gun. Here's what you do to disarm them.

839
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: If somebody pulls a knife, you run. Yeah, totally, Like

840
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: a knife, a knife isn't good is if you know

841
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: how to use a knife. Yeah, Like a knife isn't

842
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: isn't a good defensive weapon or offensive weapon unless you

843
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: know how to use it. Yeah, when it is these

844
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: and these guys knew at daggers, drawn, etcetera, etcetera. I know,

845
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I wonder why he picked it, Like

846
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: he probably had better aim than the rest of these

847
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: guys because he was an artillery officer and whatever, but

848
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: he just the just the fucking showmanship of it, I know.

849
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: And so then he he hit hides underground in Russia

850
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: for like two years, and he makes his way to

851
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: London where he becomes a writer and he writes like

852
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: novels and stuff. And one thing I read a while

853
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: ago says that he was like the first Russian national

854
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: to write and publish a book in English. And I

855
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: feel like that's one of those things that people track

856
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: in different ways at different times, So don't please don't

857
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: hold me to that. But and and for all of

858
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: his like stabbing and guerrilla warfare and ship. He was

859
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: a social democrat. Um, and so so Bernie step it

860
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: up man uh and and then eight year old fuck.

861
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: And then he got hit by a train. Not Bernie Stepaniak.

862
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: He got hit by a train in the middle of

863
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: the night in London and died. Uh. He was probably

864
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: drunk and it might have been suicide. And no one

865
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: wants to talk about it. Everyone is like, no, he

866
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: just died. He was just hit by a train walking

867
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: home by but night. And I'm like, I struggle to

868
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: understand the mechanism by which I get hit by a

869
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: train unless I'm trying to hop it, trying to die.

870
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the list of things and which I

871
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: would get training killed. Trains were newer, I don't know.

872
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: He has like a rogue trains running through the street. Um,

873
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: well a ghost train. Okay. So let's go back to

874
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: our nihilists, and in early seventy nine you have a

875
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: Jewish nihilist named Gregory Goldenberg who assassinates Prince Kropotkin, which

876
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: is only a funny thing to say to people who

877
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: pay attention to the fact that Prince Kropakin is also

878
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: the name of this anarchist that I keep quoting, but

879
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: Prince Kopakin, the anarchist, was a prince, and he had

880
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: a cousin who was also a prince named Prince Capakin,

881
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: who was the there was a governor general And was

882
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: this this related to Kropotkin, Yeah, he was his cousin. Uh.

883
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. I think he probably was completely

884
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: fine with it, like way more than most people. Um.

885
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: I think that some of these people who come from

886
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: nobility are like actual class traders. Um. And that's my impression,

887
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: but I don't um, No, it does. See, it does

888
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: seem like there's a fair number of them come out

889
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: so so Gregory he wanted to kill Tazar and he

890
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna kill Tasar, and then the rest

891
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: of land and freedom was like, actually, it would be

892
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: really sketchy if a Jewish person kills the czar. And

893
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to understand whether this was a like because

894
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: we don't want programs to come out of it, or

895
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: if it was a like no because it defeats our

896
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: propaganda purposes or whatever. But I actually, based on everything

897
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I've read, I actually leaned towards thinking that the Annihilists

898
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: were like, no, we don't want programs to happen, and

899
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: so Gregory is like, fine, I'll just go kill Cropokin instead. Um.

900
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: But spoiler alert, anything you do in Russia at this

901
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: time causes programs. Just I don't know. People are like,

902
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't I actually don't want to make too much

903
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: of a joke about it. Just sucks. No, it's it's bad.

904
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: They really couldn't express their emotions without doing a program. Yeah,

905
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: and they're just fucking everyone's anti semitic on all sides

906
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: of everything at the point, so Goldenberg, he loses his

907
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: mind in prison, and again a couple different stories of

908
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: what happens. Either he confesses and snitches out his friends

909
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: to a cell mate who happens to be an informant,

910
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: or he has some kind of like loses his mind

911
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: moment and he confesses to a guard who he thinks

912
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: is like a religious figure and he's like talking to

913
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: the spirits. Either way, he gives up a bunch of names,

914
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: and then he realizes what he's what he's done, and

915
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: he uh despondently takes his own life from prison. Um.

916
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: And then in nine also another nihilist takes five shots

917
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: at the Czar and he misses all five times. Seriously,

918
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: someone needs to say that's the cooperative they should have

919
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: set up was a shooting range. The amount of times

920
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: revolutionaries have missed their targets over over since guns were

921
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: fucking invented, Yeah, every every time. I'm just I'm I'm

922
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: like everything hinges on, these bullets flying through and they're

923
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: and they're just fucking lock and load throwing it out

924
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: like some like some like they're playing a video game,

925
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: like they're playing video I have no idea what it's

926
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: like to be in that situation, Like I can imagine

927
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: it's quite stressful, and I can imagine that. Yeah, going

928
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: into that, you've gotta you got a lot to deal with.

929
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, far far be it from me to judge,

930
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: But it is something that that that's the reason you

931
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: look back at history about all the people who have

932
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: missed who like the people who have who have shot

933
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: true have been like right up on right up on them.

934
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Gun technology has come far, but it hasn't come that

935
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: far as far as like revolve first go and stuff. Yeah. Anyway, Um,

936
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: the crackdown against Nihilis is like way harsher this time

937
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: sixteen nihilists and have hanged four of them apparently fourteen

938
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: of them, apparently in Kiev. And after this, another nihilist

939
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: takes two shots at the General and Charge of Oppression

940
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: and mrs and after this, let we gotta have an

941
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: we gotta have a new n r a nihilist rifle associated. Um.

942
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: So after all of this ship, Land and Freedom splits

943
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: up and forms two new groups. They're not called Land

944
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: and Freedom. Uh. One of them is called Black Repartition,

945
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, we keep shooting and missing,

946
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: let's focus on propaganda. And the other one is the

947
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: people's will. And the people's will is like, but we

948
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: really have our hearts set killing set on killing the Zar.

949
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: And so that's who we're going to talk about in

950
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: the final stage of revolutionary nihilism. People's will two to

951
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: quote Aragorn again. After the dissolution of Land and Freedom,

952
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: the People's will devoted themselves to the assassination of the Czar.

953
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: They did not see this death as linked to a

954
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: larger social struggle. They did not have the infrastructure, social solution,

955
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: or desire to assume power and believe that the institution

956
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: of the Russian autocracy was firmly in place. Their desire

957
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: was not a coup. It was vengeance. The nihilists also

958
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: held onto the belief that if their positive actions towards

959
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: social change, like they're organizing of the peasants, were so

960
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: easily thwarted by the malevolence of the neglect by the state,

961
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: the negative action like assassination would more likely finally result

962
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: in substantive change to the system. Finally, there was a

963
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: fatalist and deeply held belief that destruction was worthwhile for

964
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: its own sake and not because of the humanitarian, political,

965
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: or social reasons. And and I read this quote because

966
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: the most of the mainstream histories again kind of talking

967
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: about how the the funny clothes people were naive, the

968
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: going to the people people were naive, the assassins were naive.

969
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: And and I think that's just written from a non

970
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: nihilist perspective by and large, because if you're trying to say, hey,

971
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to spark a revolution, then absolutely they were naive. Right.

972
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't work. It wasn't going to work. Um,

973
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: but they knew what they were doing for good or ill.

974
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't let's spark a revolution. It was like we

975
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: hate having a zarre. Let's fucking kill him. Yeah, who

976
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: the funk else got that much done with? Like they

977
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: I was, I was about to say, with that little work.

978
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: But they put they put some work into it. Oh,

979
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: they put some hours. They put some blood, sweat and

980
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: tears into this, into this thing, and everyone wants you know,

981
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: eventually they did have a change. But you know, you

982
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: just stabilize a movement, you take out somebody, you leave

983
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: a power vacuum. But well, the funk ever, like you

984
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: have a you have a plan for something. Look how

985
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: that worked out for the Bolsheviks worked the nights turned

986
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: out terrible for everyone else. Yeah, so this is welcome

987
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: to the wily coyote stage of nihilism. First, they tried

988
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: to blow up the Czar's train in Ukraine. They picked

989
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: three spots that the train would likely to be going through,

990
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: and they set a trap at each one. The first

991
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: spot near Odessa, Yeah, they got a nihilist into the

992
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: railway workforce. But then these are picked a different route

993
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: at the last minute. So in the second spot, a

994
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: nihilist opened a tannery as an excuse to make dynamite

995
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: and planted on the tracks or under the tracks or whatever.

996
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: But I guess the Nihilist wasn't very good at making

997
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: dynamite because none of it lit. So the third place,

998
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: because you know they're covering in their bases, they have

999
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: they have a plan, a fallback plan, a fallback, fallback plan.

1000
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: The third time, they rent an apartment fifty ft from

1001
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: the tracks and they start digging a tunnel to mind

1002
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: the tracks. And this took a ton of people in

1003
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: a ton of time, and neighbors noticed how many but

1004
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: were like in and out of the apartment and Nihilists

1005
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: were filling the spare bedroom with excavated dirt and so

1006
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: much food. This part is weird. So much food kept

1007
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: coming in to feed the workers that the Nihilists had

1008
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: to explain it away to neighbors or something that's belonging

1009
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: to a fictitious cat. They're like, oh, the food that

1010
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: keeps coming into this for a cat. Um, you wouldn't

1011
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: believe the size of this cat. I know. And so

1012
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: finally don't talk to him about Monday or normals, but

1013
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: we keep having to bring the lasagna in for him. Um.

1014
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: So okay, they're they're tunneling through sandy soil and it

1015
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: keeps almost caving in on them, and they're all really

1016
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: freaked out, but they finally mine the tracks and the

1017
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: train comes and they set it off and they blow

1018
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: up the wrong car on the wrong train and get

1019
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: a cargo car, so onward Wiley Coyote. In February, annihilist

1020
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: probably named Tyler Dirton takes a job at the Winter Palace. Um.

1021
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: Because it's pure fight club style, he takes a job

1022
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: at the Winter Palace and he starts filling the basement

1023
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: with dynamite, and their timing was off and they kill

1024
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: eleven people, wounding fifty and missed the zar completely. And

1025
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: this is the first time in my research, but again

1026
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: there's probably more of it. It's the first time that

1027
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: they just are like killing other people. And and for

1028
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: me this actually marks um. They lose some sympathy with

1029
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: me at this point. Um, I don't believe that if

1030
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: you're like fukas are that's cool, but you're like, and

1031
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm willing to kill other people in the process, you

1032
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: get really complicated quickly for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1033
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's ah, that's the stage that most most

1034
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: revolutionary movements, it's true, tend to meet. Yeah, you gotta

1035
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: contend with that. Um, Like all the plans to kill

1036
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: Hitler and all that ship. We're all the same too,

1037
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, ira a same same ship. So

1038
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: they're kind of out of the heroic stage and they're

1039
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: in their wildly coyote stage. And so next they decided

1040
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: to submerge a bunch of explosives under a bridge. But

1041
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: then like a guy is late and they call the

1042
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: whole plan off. So then they mine another road, but

1043
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: then the Czar changes travel plans. So then they're like,

1044
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: all right, you know what funk this? We're doing it right.

1045
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: They tracked the Czar's movements carefully. They decided that routine

1046
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: was clearest on Sundays. They picked a place they opened

1047
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: up a cheese shop, and they started digging, and they

1048
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: acted so weird at their cheese shop that people called

1049
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: the cops on them, which almost ruined the whole thing.

1050
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: But once again the cop is Chief Wigham, and Chief

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Speaker 1: Wigham comes in and he's like, I don't see any dirt.

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Speaker 1: It's only straw. I can't do it. I can't do

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Speaker 1: any accent to save my life, let alone a Chief

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Speaker 1: Wigham the room. Yeah, thanks, um, And basically they've been

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Speaker 1: covering all the like excavated dirt with straw on the floor,

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Speaker 1: and the cops are like, and then they leave, Um, yeah,

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: and so they get back to digging, uh, and they're

1058
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Speaker 1: really not fucking around. In addition to mining the road,

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Speaker 1: they have four people on standby with grenades and someone

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01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 1: else has a gun and a dagger. And I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate that they included the dagger, because by god, it's

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Speaker 1: what they're good at, you know. And the leader of

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Speaker 1: the whole thing was I don't actually understand entirely how

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Speaker 1: their leadership structure worked, or whether a leader is a

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Speaker 1: euphemism or whether it was a definitely a leader. I

1066
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, the leader of the plot was arrested

1067
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: two days before they were going to do it, so um,

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: his wife stepped up into the role and was the

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: leader of the plot. On the day of the carriage

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Speaker 1: doesn't go to the right place, but they have a plan,

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Speaker 1: and so they signal, hey, the carriage isn't going to

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Speaker 1: the right place. I think someone like waves a handkerchief

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Speaker 1: in the crowd. So they all go to the right

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Speaker 1: place and they all moved to the new spot. Zar's

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Speaker 1: carriage comes up first, grenade grenned, deer rows a bomb

1076
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Speaker 1: under the carriage. It blows up boom. It doesn't do

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Speaker 1: anything to the carriage because it's like super armored. It

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Speaker 1: kills one of his guards and it injures a like

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Speaker 1: a peasant kid who's walking by. And uh, the Tsar

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: is like, what the hell is going on? So it

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: comes out of his carriage. So the second grenadier throws

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Speaker 1: a bomb at the at the feet of the Tsar,

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Speaker 1: and and not that's all she wrote. I did write

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Speaker 1: actually more than this. But the second bomb does the trick.

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Speaker 1: After all of this hard work. It blows up the

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Speaker 1: Tsar and the person who threw the bomb, neither of

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Speaker 1: whom die immediately. They both die horribly in pain. Over

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Speaker 1: a period a long time, the Tzar is rendered into

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Speaker 1: a red mist eventually dies later yea. And then the

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Speaker 1: third bomber. All right, here's where everything starts to unravel.

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Speaker 1: The third bomber, his version of the story that he

1092
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: said in court to save his own life is that

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Speaker 1: the reason he ran over to thesear was to make

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Speaker 1: sure the Tsar's okay. And like every version of the

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: story I read is like, yeah, that's what happened. He

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: recanted at the last minute, And I'm kind of of

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: the like now he went over there to make sure

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: the tsar was going to I yeah, in for a penny,

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: in for a pound there with a bunch of you're

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: there with a bunch of grenades here. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to get this guy double arrested.

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: Years later, double jeopardy. Those mediums we have call are

1103
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: gonna come. And I do love. I do love somebody

1104
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: up on the stand. It's just like I shot President

1105
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: Reagan and I'm gonna do it again and again and

1106
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: again and again. Yeah, And then this person is the opposite.

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01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: This person is like I felt so bad that a

1108
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: wave of patriotic joy came over me and I ran

1109
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: over and and I was like, Papa, Yeah, And it

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01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: worked for him. He survives um, but then he also um.

1111
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: The first bomber snitches and causes a raid on the headquarters.

1112
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Speaker 1: One of the nihilists goes down shooting and then takes

1113
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Speaker 1: his own life. Another nihilist just like shoots back and

1114
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: gets captured. In the end, five nihilists are hanged, and

1115
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: it's done like intentionally cruelly, where they don't drop the platform,

1116
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: they just which breaks your neck and then you die quickly.

1117
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: Instead they just strangle them basically slowly on the stand.

1118
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of people didn't like that, and it

1119
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: actually people were like, whoa that this kind of sucks. Um.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, here's what we get back to the anti semitism. Hooray, Um.

1121
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Speaker 1: You can't talk about history without talking about anti Semitism.

1122
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: I not in Russia, you can for sure now And

1123
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Speaker 1: so okay, one of the women who was arrested was Jewish,

1124
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Speaker 1: and so Jews were blamed for the death of the

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Speaker 1: czar and a wave of programs went off across the

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Speaker 1: country um and left businesses and homes destroyed and people injured,

1127
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: and many more people left destitute. And but fortunately a

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Speaker 1: radical labor union decided to chime in about the programs,

1129
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: trying to stop the madness. Specifically, this labor union said,

1130
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Speaker 1: brother workers, you are beating the Jews, but indiscriminately. One

1131
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: should beat the Jews because he is a Jew in

1132
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: praise to God in his own way. Indeed, God is

1133
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: one and the same to all. Rather one should beat

1134
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: him because he is robbing the people. He is sucking

1135
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: the blood of the working man. Um. Oh yes, uh yeah,

1136
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: so solved it. Dust dust your hands off, my my

1137
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: my fellow worker to me that like sums up left

1138
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: anti Semitism. It's the like, what, don't get mad at

1139
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: because he's Jewish, Get mad at it because he's Jewish,

1140
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: And don't get mad at him because of the religious belief.

1141
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: Get mad at this imagined culture like cultural secret society

1142
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: we've attached to them. Yeah, because we can't, because we're

1143
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: so fucking like dimwitted as to just imagine that the

1144
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: world is completely bad because monsters vie for power and

1145
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: are able to achieve it very very, very very easily

1146
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: without some like shady cabal pulling the strings. You fucking

1147
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: knit with exactly you fucking knit with is the nicest

1148
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: way that we can so. Um. After the death of

1149
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: his father, Alexander the Third is now the Czar and

1150
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: he crushes everyone who steps out of line and completely

1151
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: ends the revolutionary Nihilists. Um. Yeah, I've heard a lot

1152
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: of people be like, oh, and that once they killed

1153
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: the tsar, it really really fucked up the revolutionary nihilist movement,

1154
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: and like, you know, one without considering everything else, what else, Well,

1155
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: they beat the game, what else can they do? They

1156
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: fucking won, they'd be the final Boss in a way

1157
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: that no other modern revolutionary movement that I can like

1158
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: really think of has done as drastically um as like dramatically,

1159
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: rather just like the czar steps out of his just

1160
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: like what's going on, and they fucking turn them into

1161
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: two difference ours. They tear off his middle. I want

1162
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: to leave. I want to cover one more loose end

1163
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: about all of this, because it's just one of my

1164
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: favorite anecdotes about the Nihilists. There's this guy named Nikolai

1165
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: Uh and he's the primary bomb maker, and he is

1166
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: slowly suffocated on the stand, you know, like all of them.

1167
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: And he's a literal rocket scientist. And as he's in

1168
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: his cell awaiting execution, he meets with his lawyer. But

1169
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: instead of being like, hey, buddy, here's my plan to

1170
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: like not die right, here's what we're gonna do for

1171
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: my case or whatever, he's like, I wrote up these papers,

1172
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: and no matter what, you have to get these papers out.

1173
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: This is so important. This is like my dying, which

1174
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: you've got to get these papers out. And so the

1175
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: lawyers like all right, and he gets the papers out,

1176
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. They get taken by the cops and

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01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: then they get locked up until But the papers are

1178
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: the invention of UM modern rocketry. UM. The papers are like,

1179
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: this is how you have a manned heavier than air

1180
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: flight with rockets, and here's how you can use like

1181
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: slow burning fuel in the following ways, and here's how

1182
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: you would direct the direction of the rocket with like

1183
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: by setting. You know, I'm not a rocket scientist, UM.

1184
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: And it's it's heartbreaking to me because in the note

1185
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: he's like, it's okay that I'm dying because I've done

1186
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: this invention. This is like what matters that I offer

1187
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: this to the scientific world and uh, and it doesn't

1188
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: get seen until someone else invents it ten years later,

1189
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: a German scientist invents it. Um. But but I like

1190
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: his priorities, you know, his priorities is like kill the czar,

1191
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: invent stuff that's really amazing. It's something that's very obviously

1192
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: not going to be passed through the historical record to us.

1193
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: But like, you know, we we see everything through this

1194
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: realm of the this fucking burning circus tent of the

1195
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: twenty one century, and we can look back to these

1196
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: times before like every like you know, I can't imagine

1197
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: a world beyond the Internet and they and like even

1198
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: farther back before industrial like fully industrialized society, where you know,

1199
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Speaker 1: when we have to have like these these these meetings

1200
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: that we might consider like revolutionarily important. We are we're

1201
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: meeting under bridges and skate parks, and everyone leave your

1202
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: phones and these backpacks and we'll leave them outside and

1203
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: all the and like all this like cloak and dagger

1204
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: ship that like back then, they really had cloaks, and

1205
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: they really really had daggers, and they were able to

1206
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: see their lives in before the collapse of history. Like

1207
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: to use a I don't even know where that phrase

1208
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: comes from. I just use it sometimes. I assume it's

1209
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: some academic bullshit that I've adopted as like nothing really

1210
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: before when they could still see, like we can get

1211
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: our hands at the levers of power because we're making

1212
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: these fucking wiley coyote like black round bombs in the

1213
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: back room of our friends bar and we're kind of

1214
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: blow up the fuckings are blow up police chief and

1215
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: let them know that we are. Like they're full full

1216
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: on enemy, Like we're not. They're not into making negotiating

1217
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: with us. We're not into negotiating a better world or

1218
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: overthrowing them to impose our own order. We just want

1219
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: to uh, We're not gonna put that pressure on ourselves.

1220
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: We are like, yeah, funk this. Yeah. There's like the

1221
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: if I'm being beat with a baseball bat and I'm like,

1222
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: please stop beating me with a baseball bat, and the

1223
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 1: person is like, well, what would you like instead? How

1224
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: would society work in the world where I'm not beating

1225
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: you with a baseball bat? And I'm like, we can

1226
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: get to that later. We don't have to talk about

1227
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: that now, could you? Could you could we switch it

1228
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: out for a nerf baseball or could we have somebody else?

1229
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 1: Could we have somebody else, perhaps in a different country,

1230
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: beaten with the baseball or nerf baseball bat. Certainly in

1231
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: the best of all worlds, Like, that's what I would want.

1232
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: But the world has been overly complicated by us allowing

1233
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: this to go on without people without motherfucker's wearing crowns

1234
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: being blown up every single time they arise. Maybe by

1235
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: the time this airs, the history of Russian regicide will anyway,

1236
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, everyone, Thanks for listening everyone. Ah, it's this,

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Speaker 1: it's this as this is this is this the point

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Speaker 1: where we ask io for their plug ables. Yeah probably,

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Speaker 1: which is bumm lung. That's me and I talked about

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Speaker 1: stuff on there. I make comics and I'm a printmaker.

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Speaker 1: I have a store that you can probably find. Um,

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Speaker 1: don't look up my old bands, etcetera. That's that's my tail.

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Speaker 1: when they and what? Can follow me and how? I

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Speaker 1: don't know how. I suppose different buttons. So you can

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy and you

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Speaker 1: can follow me on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy. And you

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Speaker 1: can listen to my podcast is it funny if I

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