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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We promised last week that we had an amazing week ahead,

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Speaker 2: and today I have Nate on the podcast again. I

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Speaker 2: believe this is my first time ever sitting down one

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Speaker 2: on one at least with you and getting to talk

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Speaker 2: to you. Right, is that wrong?

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Speaker 3: No? No, we talked on Zoom once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. I always figured

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Speaker 2: you're tall. You're taller than I expected. We looked at

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Speaker 2: each other in the eyes.

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Speaker 3: I think you Yeah, I'm sick.

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Speaker 2: But well I got on my tippy toes there. That's cool, man,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. Just make me feel short today. I don't

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Speaker 2: like that. Uh, Nate, we have a lot to talk

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Speaker 2: about today. Uh. I want to start just kind of

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Speaker 2: getting the big questions out of the way. Obviously, a

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Speaker 2: friend of the podcast is Michelle. People really still, I think,

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Speaker 2: and they always will, right. I mean, people still associate

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Speaker 2: me with my relationship from the show, even though that

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Speaker 2: was years ago and I'm married and moved on. It's

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Speaker 2: always going to be something people associate you with. So

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Speaker 2: the big question that our fans want to know is

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Speaker 2: when is the last time you two talked?

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Speaker 4: Last time her and I spoke was probably like maybe

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Speaker 4: a week after the breakup.

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Speaker 3: It's been a minute. Is that weird?

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Speaker 2: I want to talk because like I've been I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've been in that situation before. Does it feel weird

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Speaker 2: that it just ends so suddenly?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean it was it ended for a reason

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Speaker 4: and it had to end, and I think it was

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Speaker 4: just like, let's not talk anymore. It was a pretty

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Speaker 4: like cut and dry breakup. You know, it's just like, hey,

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Speaker 4: we're not met for each other, good luck, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Does it make it weirder because you weren't prepped for

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Speaker 2: this that you then have to both watch and see

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Speaker 2: what each other are doing and hear about each other

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Speaker 2: all the time, and be asked questions about each other.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the questions come up, they don't really

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Speaker 4: phase me. And it's not really weird. It's not really

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Speaker 4: weird whatever I do. See again, I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know I was gonna be on a podcast today,

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Speaker 4: So my brain's a little foggy. But no, uh, definitely

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Speaker 4: not weird, not at all. Yeah, it's not there's not

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Speaker 4: too too much into it. So we like never cross

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Speaker 3: So she'll be here tonight. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 3: I want to do with you.

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Speaker 2: You got surprised of the podcast and you get a

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Speaker 2: nice little reunion. Well, okay, so if everything's good, it

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Speaker 2: ended because it had to end, or it should end,

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Speaker 2: or was best if it didn't. Is there anything you

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Speaker 2: wish you would have done differently personally through this whole

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Speaker 2: process and through that relationship looking back now?

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Speaker 3: Nah? Nah, I'll keep my comments to myself. Nothing.

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Speaker 4: Noah, I just I mean, there's some things I would

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Speaker 4: have done differently, but I don't really think it's anybody's concerned.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Well then personally, uh, from the time of

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Speaker 2: the show, Yeah, you know, obviously it's a weird experience

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Speaker 2: to get thrown on a national television It's even weirder

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Speaker 2: than to have a relationship that you're navigating afterwards as

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Speaker 2: a person. Yeah, have you grown, uh since then? Or

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Speaker 2: in what ways? Maybe if people followed you, have you

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Speaker 2: changed since the show?

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Speaker 4: I think I've changed in a few ways. I think

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Speaker 4: I handle situations a lot differently. Obviously, when you go

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Speaker 4: caring about your relationship, and they have their opinions, and

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Speaker 4: I'm obviously super sensitive to those opinions.

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Speaker 3: I'm a normal human being.

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Speaker 4: So I think one of the biggest things that came

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Speaker 4: breakup that I had and being with somebody like Michelle

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Speaker 4: who's extremely loved in the in the eyes of the viewers,

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Speaker 4: is like the my skin is thick now, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I like, you can talk as much crap about me.

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Speaker 4: It's it's fun, like it's it used to affect me

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Speaker 4: quite a bit, like that breakup, you know, being blamed

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Speaker 4: for things I should be blamed for being, People speculating

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Speaker 4: you know, all those things affected the heck out of me.

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Speaker 4: You know, after the breakup, the d MS, I was receiving,

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Speaker 3: It was it was tough.

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Speaker 4: It was tough, and then you come out of it

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Speaker 4: and you just come like you just you get that

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Speaker 4: think that helped me grow as a person because now

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Speaker 4: I got pretty tough skin, if in my opinion at least,

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Speaker 4: and I think that that's going to help me in

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Speaker 4: the long run to just life. You know, life is

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Speaker 4: always going to be hard in different ways, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I feel like that breakup kind of just made me

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Speaker 4: a stronger person when it comes to dealing with being

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Speaker 3: And again, like we're not really it's not like we're famous.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're just dudes almost, you know, but we're

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Speaker 4: just doing is that that ended up on a show,

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Speaker 4: and it's like we're regular, regular dudes. So it's not

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Speaker 4: like we have to deal with a lot of public hate,

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Speaker 4: especially anymore. I've been off the show for like two

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Speaker 4: stuff too too much anymore. But if anything were to

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Speaker 4: it just made me a stronger person. My skin is

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Speaker 4: really thick. People don't really affect me that much anymore.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: If I see comments that still come up every now

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Speaker 4: it's over my shoulder. I'm like, you guys put me

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Speaker 4: through fucking hell after that breakup, Like it can't get

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Speaker 4: worse than that. So I'm it put my it made

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm six, I'm six years out and it's

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Speaker 2: but those it's easier, but those still get me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: especially in a bad day. Yeah, on a bad day,

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Speaker 2: the comments, the things said can still hurt. That the

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Speaker 2: headlines can still hit deeper than I'd like them too.

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Speaker 2: And a question that was asked to me the other

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Speaker 2: question is what's the difference between having thick skin and

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Speaker 2: navigating these tough comments and a callous heart, like to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean definitely listen to myself, I kind of

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Speaker 3: Talk to my mom.

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Speaker 4: She helps me through a lot of stuff, especially during

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Speaker 4: the breakup. She was somebody that I was leaning on

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Speaker 4: quite a bit. Ronnie for sure. I mean I live

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Speaker 4: But I love that the people who I who I

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Speaker 4: especially in vacination, like you'll cross paths with people that

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Speaker 4: everything I've seen about you online is false, you know.

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Speaker 4: So like that like just knowing that the people who

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Speaker 4: they know, they know me. They know, they know how

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Speaker 4: these people say about me online, like it's it's just

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Speaker 4: not the truth, you know what I mean, whatever they say,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, it doesn't really affect me anymore.

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Like not like if it affected me it affected me

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Speaker 4: deeply those those couple of weeks month after that, that breakup,

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Speaker 4: that was tough, man. But now it's just like you know,

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Speaker 4: you'll see stuff every now and then, But hey, what

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Speaker 4: will never meet me, and I'll never meet them, and

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Speaker 4: they'll never say it to my face if they did

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Speaker 4: meet me in person.

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Speaker 3: So hey, what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: You know, you did do something interesting at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of this when I asked about this originally, you're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, would you've done something differently? And you said, hey, maybe,

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Speaker 2: but it's not really anybody's business. Somewhearize what you said, yea,

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Speaker 2: you know these comments were coming at you. The headlines

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Speaker 2: were out there. I don't remember personally. Maybe there was

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Speaker 2: a time and you could correct me, but I don't

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Speaker 2: remember you personally, you running to the media or ever

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Speaker 2: kind of getting your side of this story out there,

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Speaker 2: which isn't which is pretty rare, especially in the bachelor world,

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Speaker 2: because the headlines start and everybody's out there to protect themselves.

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Speaker 3: You didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: Why, I mean, even if maybe you were the wrong,

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Speaker 2: and again, you don't want to shit, that's that's fine, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you just never came out publicly and either protect

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Speaker 3: I definitely like defended myself once.

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Speaker 4: I think right after the breakup, when it was just

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Speaker 4: like everybody had an opinion of like he must have cheated,

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Speaker 4: he must have done this, he must have done that,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is. You know, I think I wrote like

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Speaker 4: did not cheat, two that like I just kind of

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Speaker 4: at it is that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: take that, right because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: this is Michelle's season, right, Like this is stupid analogy.

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Speaker 4: I always make stupid analogies, But at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, like this is Michelle's season.

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Speaker 3: They didn't they didn't tune in to.

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Speaker 4: Watch Nate Rodney Joe Brandon, like did they tune into

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Speaker 4: Wallow Michelle's story.

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Speaker 3: They fell in love with Michelle.

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Speaker 4: I was just the guy she chose, right, So they

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Speaker 4: have like no quote unquote loyalty to me. I'm just

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Speaker 4: like stupid Acknoledgy again, like if we equated to the Batman,

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Speaker 4: like Michelle is the Batman, I'm just like, what's his

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Speaker 4: little sidekicks?

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Speaker 3: I'm just Robin. You don't watch The Batman to watch Robin.

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Speaker 3: You watched The Batman to watch Batman, and Robin's just

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Speaker 3: in there. That's why I'm Robin. You watched The Bachelor

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Speaker 3: to watch Michelle, and Nate's just there. Right.

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Speaker 4: So those are her fans, and I'm not gonna win

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Speaker 4: against her fans, you know what I mean. Like Michelle's loved,

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Speaker 4: but she has her fan base. They rock with her.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight against them, you know.

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Speaker 4: So if they want to say I am whatever, I

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Speaker 2: As I said, this is the first time. We won't

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Speaker 2: sit down. I've never gone out with you, hung out

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Speaker 2: very opposite of that. Is how you're claiming and saying

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Speaker 2: get to know them, end it, move on. So in

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Speaker 2: itself by saying that you're kind of deflecting and saying

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Speaker 3: Oh it's never been who you are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nah, no, those everything like it was funny, like

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Speaker 4: you'll they'll be like posts about or pictures of me,

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Speaker 4: like paddleboarding. I remember that was one of the funny

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Speaker 4: me paddleboarding with the girl and they had no idea

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Speaker 4: that that girl has padabording with is my absolute best

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Speaker 4: there because I used to live with all three of them, yeah,

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Speaker 4: or both of them at the same time. It's just like,

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Speaker 4: or pictures of me and a girl in Austin, lo

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Speaker 4: and behold, that's actually Michelle's like really good friends. Like

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Speaker 4: we're just out in Austin, like her friends were in Awestome.

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Speaker 4: I lived in Austin at the time, and we went

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Speaker 4: lot of stories of like girls that I've that I've

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Speaker 4: hooked up with while with Michelle, or cheated on Michelle

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Speaker 3: But if there's a picture of me with them, I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, final question for you, you know what

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're out here in La right You're living

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Right now, I've been getting into modeling, so I got

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Speaker 4: signed to an agency. I've been I've had a couple

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Speaker 4: But yeah, trying to you know, trying to see what

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Speaker 4: just yeah, a little different projects, but mainly like modeling.

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Speaker 3: Has been.

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Speaker 4: Kind of seeing like some promise in the modeling world,

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Speaker 4: so we'll see that new.

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Speaker 2: Were you a model before the show?

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Speaker 3: No, No, this is a this is all new.

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Speaker 2: How does that happen? Somebody come up to you and say, hey, really,

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Speaker 2: good luck, you should take picture.

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Speaker 4: You've been getting told to be a model for years

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Speaker 4: and years and years. I just never pursued it. And

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Speaker 4: then you know, enough people, especially after the show, enough

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Speaker 4: people were like, you should really, like give this a chance.

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Speaker 3: So I gave it a chance and we'll see where

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Speaker 3: it takes me.

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Speaker 2: Well, best of a lot. Thanks for coming on so much,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for answering the questions.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for sitting down, even though you didn't know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be sitting down. We're going to fix that for

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Speaker 2: any interview in the future, We're going to tell them, hey,

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Speaker 2: actually coming in for an interview. But Nate, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We hope to have you back It's been a pleasure

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: The Almost Famous podcast is here to always bring you

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Speaker 2: the best interviews and the greatest content, especially during the

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Speaker 2: off season when we all need it. This has been

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Speaker 2: an incredible interview with Nate. Until next time, I've been Ben.

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