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Speaker 1: the most recent episodes. That's through episode four end Peacemaker

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Speaker 1: season two. Hello, it is Jason Concepcion and on Rosey

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Speaker 1: Night and welcome to XRGC x ray Group Chat, a

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Speaker 1: weekly roundtable chat with our producers and special guests to

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Speaker 2: In today's episode. In the first segment, Joelle and Calm

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Speaker 2: And join us for a mid season Alien Eth check in,

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Speaker 2: which is appropriate because I woke up and the group

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Speaker 2: chat had been on fire about Alien Earth and that

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Speaker 2: is why XRGC exists to bring you into that group

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Speaker 2: chat life. In segment two, me and Jason will be

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Speaker 2: talking Disney Plus with Joel, and we check in about

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Speaker 2: the very first episode of peace Maker season two with

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Speaker 2: Ian and everyone will share what they're most excited to

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Speaker 1: But first, it's Alien Earth. Okay, Alien Earth. It continues

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best shows on TV right

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Speaker 1: now and we are delighted to be joined by super

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Speaker 1: producer Joel and super producer Carmen to talk about how

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Speaker 1: it's going in Alien Earth, and you mentioned it Rosie

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Speaker 1: the group chat, but I wouldn't call it erupting. I

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Speaker 2: I think we're all with the messages in that chat.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all enthusiastic about Alien Earth, and we

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Speaker 1: I think certain members of the wider XRGC citizenry also

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Speaker 1: There are valid, There exists, and that's it, and when

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's let's discuss this Chiel. Do

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Speaker 3: Because you feel deeply as though there's so much underneath

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Speaker 3: It's a lot there's I mean, it sort of starts

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Speaker 3: I I am of mixed feelings on some of these thoughts.

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Speaker 2: bunch of banger shows on and everyone was like, nah,

437
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Speaker 2: I don't need to watch us at the cinema, I

438
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: can watch it at home. I think it's to do

439
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: with that declining quality that Joel mentioned, and also, Joelle,

440
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: you make a good point because basically the other thing

441
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: I think is like you you pointed out something really interesting, Joe,

442
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: which is like they don't tend to advertise any of

443
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: that stuff, specifically two different audiences outside of the thirty

444
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: to twenty eight male demographic, which is they're seen as

445
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Speaker 2: their main demographic. But now they're struggling because Marvel and DC,

446
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Marvel and Star Wars aren't necessarily delivering in the same way.

447
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: Now they're like, well, we need original movies to get

448
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Speaker 2: those men back into it. And it's like, guys, are

449
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: you even looking at who your audience is and how

450
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Speaker 2: it's changing or what people are watching. I don't think

451
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: it's about not having original IP, even though Kevin Faggy

452
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: did also try to say Fantastic for is basically original IP.

453
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: I think it's about, you know, Star Wars, you can't

454
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Speaker 2: keep that brand going off TV alone. That was never

455
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: gonna work for you and Marvel stuff. You know what,

456
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: you guys didn't have a plan. I'm sorry, but they

457
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: didn't have a plan post end game and they're still

458
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Speaker 2: struggling with that.

459
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Speaker 1: Well, I would slightly give me a hack. I think

460
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Speaker 1: that Listen. I think that a lot of this is

461
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Speaker 1: just gravity specific to Marvel right, specifically about MA A

462
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: lot of this is just gravity. You're not going to

463
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: continue to do end games for the next fifteen years, exactly,

464
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: I'm never going to happen. Then you have the fact

465
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: that the original cast was aging new contracts, et cetera.

466
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Speaker 1: You simply come to the end of a period story wise, professionally,

467
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: with the actors who're doing it, et cetera. Truly the

468
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: end of an era. And I just think that you

469
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Speaker 1: said mismanagement, and I think that that is the case. Listen.

470
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Speaker 1: I get where they were coming from when SHAPEK was like,

471
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Speaker 1: all these things are killing, why don't we put up more.

472
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: It's kind of like in basketball when you're like, you

473
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Speaker 1: see it young players like shooting sixty five percent from

474
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Speaker 1: the field, Like the answer is, you should be shooting more,

475
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: and so they shot more, and it turned to it

476
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Speaker 1: and it has and has diluted the brand that said

477
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Speaker 1: I feel like they're a victim a little bit of

478
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Speaker 1: their own of the expectations created by success.

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00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Correct.

480
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Speaker 3: I agree, And that's why listen, my my pitch post

481
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Speaker 3: endgame was like stop, which you can't do because capitalism.

482
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: But like I sometimes think too, like we hear that

483
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: saying a lot of like, oh, well, it's a business,

484
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Speaker 3: you have to of course, it's a business. Of course

485
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Speaker 3: you have to make money.

486
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: But our businesses, it's a storytelling business.

487
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: That Art rosie.

488
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Speaker 3: And it's confusing to me why that's never also a priority.

489
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, we we had we didn't

490
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Speaker 3: have time to strengthen the brand. We lost our future

491
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Speaker 3: leader when Chadwick Boseman died. He was going to be

492
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Speaker 3: the the energetic entity.

493
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Speaker 1: Jonathan was going to the majors who speaking about planning,

494
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the central antagonist. And yeah, it's

495
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of like so many things.

496
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Speaker 2: Everybody look it throughout the comic book era, for the

497
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Speaker 2: comic book industry and the and this happens in movies too.

498
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: It happened with the Internet, it happened with dot com,

499
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: it happened all the time. A bubble is gonna burst, right,

500
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: And that thing is that, like Marvel's expansion was so

501
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: immense that there was always gonna be a time when

502
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: they couldn't keep it going at the same level. And

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: I think that is the issue. I think they should

504
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: have been trying out stuff that costs less money but

505
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: was interesting in different ways. We know a good TV

506
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: show can be made for less than thirty million, exactly

507
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: like There's And also I think Jason, that links back

508
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: to your thing about their own success, because they set

509
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: up an ecosystem where the only way you could have

510
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: success is if you make a billion dollar movie that

511
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: is never sustainable. That's not how capitalism works. It's not

512
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: how money works. You can't just keep making and then

513
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a two billion and then a three billion.

514
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Speaker 2: Take a little step back. Look at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I talk about the fleet flip side of the coin,

516
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Speaker 1: and I agree with you. Central to this is just

517
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: like make better stuff. Okay that said, flip side of

518
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: the coin, no Disney plus True Marvel doesn't get as

519
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: watered down, although the structural problems would still occur. I

520
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: think there's a world in which we see no Star Wars.

521
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Speaker 1: If there's no Disney Plus, we have no True. There's

522
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Speaker 1: no I don't think they would have made for this

523
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Speaker 1: stuff that's like on its Disney XD or whatever.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't think they would have made another

525
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: Star Wars movie because they while during this period, so

526
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't have had anything.

527
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Speaker 1: And so you would be reaching a I don't know,

528
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: decade plus with no Star Wars. So that's that's another

529
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: part of this to think of as well. I would

530
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Speaker 1: I would say that though the Star Wars offerings were uneven,

531
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Speaker 1: they've also they've been on balance additive and some of

532
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Speaker 1: the best stuff not even on the platform, but like

533
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Speaker 1: just beyond beyond in pop culture in general.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not having and or would have been disappointing.

535
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: We got it ironically, Like you know, people say, oh, well,

536
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: you know they've lost this, but I'll tell you something.

537
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: They were able to essentially launch a theme park off

538
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: of Disney plus stuff like that. Is how they've kept

539
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: it filled up is the Mandalorians there, Baby Grogu's there.

540
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: They they bring people in. Yeah, sure, now you're getting

541
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Speaker 2: a Ray or a Dark Luke Skywalker. But the reason

542
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: that the interest of the IP was still there is

543
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: because most people are just watching a lot of those shows. Now.

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Speaker 2: I want to my one of my oldest you know,

545
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Speaker 2: hammers that I've been nailing since we started talking about

546
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: this stuff. But like they also like should have put

547
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Speaker 2: some of that stuff on broadcast TV. That's my biggest

548
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: thing with Star Wars. I actually think if they'd put

549
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: the first season of The Mandalorian on broadcast TV, it

550
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: would have had a different kind of life. It would

551
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: have had a different kind of audience that was even broader.

552
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Speaker 2: But I do think you make a good point, Jason,

553
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Speaker 2: Disney Plus needed to exist, not just for the investors.

554
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Speaker 2: I mean we could have ended up if there was

555
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Speaker 2: no Marvel because of COVID, no Star Wars, because of Lucasfilm.

556
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: We could have ended up in a situation where Disney

557
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: could have been in a very dangerous situation economically anyway,

558
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: because what are they putting out at that point? So

559
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Speaker 2: I think it's like an interesting wallpool of options.

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Speaker 1: Here's where I do kind of agree with the some

561
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Speaker 1: of the thesis of this piece, which I urge people through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the piece is great once you have.

563
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Speaker 1: The Disney Plus all the other the content explosion even

564
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Speaker 1: beyond Marvel, with the extra Star Wars shows, new animated stuff,

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Speaker 1: the live action adaptations of the movies. You need to

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Speaker 1: It's like when you have a donut shop. If you

567
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Speaker 1: are walking past the window of a donut shop and

568
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: you see, like the shelves are empty and there's like

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Speaker 1: a tray with like a few scattered donuts. You're not

570
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Speaker 1: walking in. You want to see the shelves packed. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what they've been and are still essentially doing.

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Speaker 1: And that's just simply the logic of having your own

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Speaker 1: streaming network. It's gotta be pasted with stuff. And look

574
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Speaker 1: at the deals they've been closing in the last couple

575
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Speaker 1: of years with NATIONALEO Graphic and these kind of like

576
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: corporate media conglomeration deals have all been to just add

577
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Speaker 1: more stuff. Put more stuff in there. Give Christatic, give

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00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: one of the give Hemsworth a fucking show about him

579
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: working out. Yeah, I mean more National geographic stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: put like the Hulu stuff in there. And and in

581
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: that sense, I do agree with this piece that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: water it down.

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Speaker 2: Definitely like en Mass, especially when you think about people

584
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Speaker 2: that are not like us and don't like live in

585
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Speaker 2: this every single day. For a normal person to go

586
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Speaker 2: from oh that's one movie a year that I go

587
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Speaker 2: or two movies a year that I go to with

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Speaker 2: my friends, and I'm really excited, and that's the time

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Speaker 2: I go to the cinema and that's where I spend

590
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Speaker 2: my money to oh, I can just access this at home.

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Speaker 2: That is a differential experience that I think from US people,

592
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: and in general was a COVID thing too that people

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: learnt to watch at home in a different kind of way.

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Speaker 3: But I also think going from like a six hour

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Speaker 3: theatrical commitment to like a sixteen to eighteen hour multiple

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Speaker 3: TV series a movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah commitment.

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Speaker 3: Ye, Like it's a lot, and especially if it's not

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Speaker 3: of quality consistently to bring people back in. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: end this conversation if we can on this really interesting idea.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that like, if you're a girl who's

602
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Speaker 3: been into comic books, especially like comic TV and stuff

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Speaker 3: for a long time, like you understand pretty inherently, like

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Speaker 3: the studios don't really see you just frustrating. The male

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Speaker 3: thirteen to twenty eight demographic is a really specific one.

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Speaker 3: They go after to the fact that it killed teen

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Speaker 3: titans the first time around. They're like, well, boys, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: your numbers are crazy good and girls are obsessed and

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Speaker 3: you're not making them like the dolls or action figures

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Speaker 3: are closed to go along with it, so you don't

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00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: see your return on merch. You know in a Variety

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00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: article by Matt Donnelly, he's talking about you know, this

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Speaker 3: new push from Disney Rosie recording it earlier and saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're looking at original I peek content, anything

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Speaker 3: to do to get these guys back. It's so interesting

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Speaker 3: to me that it's still we have to get them back,

617
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Speaker 3: as opposed to how do we appeal to the base

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Speaker 3: Who's that's here?

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Speaker 2: Also like who's who stayed around? And yeah, who's stayed

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Speaker 2: around and who should be rewarded for that? I wonder

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting conversation for sure. Yeah, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep having it throughout this year and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you Joelle for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 8: Peacemakers too.

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Speaker 1: And we're back. We'd like to welcome in super producer

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Speaker 1: Ian to the program. Ian, how are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm great, Ready to talk Peacemaker.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. So we're just a small note

630
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Speaker 1: that we are hoping to get Peacemaker screeners soon, which

631
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Speaker 1: would allow us to get ahead of the cycle and

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Speaker 1: dedicate a full episode to Peacemaker, which we are watching

633
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Speaker 1: and which is really fun and let's get into it. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the retcon happens immediately on the previously

635
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Speaker 1: on montage that tells you about everything that happened last season,

636
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Speaker 1: where they replace the Justice League of Snider era with

637
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Speaker 1: the Justice Gang of the Current Universe era Smart Choice

638
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: a gun and Saffron Era, and everything kind of goes

639
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: from there. This is a story in which we pick

640
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: up our characters in the wake of the reveals of

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Speaker 1: Task Force X and the fallout from that. Peacemaker is

642
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: just kind of scuffling along hoping to join the Justice Gang.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He We see him go into the inter dimensional hideout

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00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: that his dad had, and we learned a very important thing,

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Speaker 1: which is it's not just like a large space, it's

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Speaker 1: a crossroads of dimensions with I think it's ninety nine different.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be infinite, but that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it kind of is also interestingly used as

652
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Speaker 2: like a galactic storage unit or something different.

653
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's aliens in the area.

654
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

655
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: So he goes down there and eagerly because he's like,

656
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: it's too cold to go out to let you fly around.

657
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: So let's fly around in the interdimensional hideout and eagerly

658
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: become fixated on this one door, scratching on it, scratching

659
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: on him. Chris notices that there are Peacemaker helmets outside

660
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: this store, but he doesn't go in, and so he

661
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: goes in the code apparently is the same as the

662
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: code that he uses to enter, and he finds this

663
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: beautiful interior of a home. It is his family home.

664
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: He sees that in this dimension, he his dad, White Dragon,

665
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: and his brother who is alive in this dimension. Captain

666
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Triumph are apparently the top superhuman team in this universe,

667
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: topping the Justice Gang and everybody else.

668
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Also incredibly hilarious that James Gunn cost his own ex

669
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: wife's tv X as his wife. He was James Gunn

670
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: was married to Pam from the Office, obviously the guy

671
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: who plays this in Triumph, And they even do a

672
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: fun little gag of it where they ask him how

673
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: he's going with his wife and she's like, oh, he's

674
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: with that jag Off in the office, so they know how.

675
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: I thought that was really fun. I think James Gunn

676
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: has a lot of fun with understanding the metatextual nature

677
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: of like celebrity and what we know about people who

678
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: are in TV shows and how that kind of ties

679
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: in with superheroes. I thought it was a fun note

680
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: and I.

681
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Thought the redcns were were just they Well, it was

682
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: a super easy, efficient way to handle it.

683
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: Again, God showing off how to do it. You just

684
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: act like it doesn't matter and it won't mad to

685
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: the audience.

686
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Months later, Atabio picks up Peacemaker on to take him

687
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: to this Justice Gang tryout, and we learned a bunch

688
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: of stuff about different people. Abido has broken up with

689
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: her partner. She is now an independent security consultant. She

690
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: has business cards and everything. It's not clear that that's

691
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: actually generating any income, and apparently Hardcourt and Peacemaker are

692
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: just on the skids at a Bio two. She's like

693
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: not speaking to at a Bio because of all the

694
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: blowback from when they blew up Task Force Ex's spot

695
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: in front of the eyes of the World. So they

696
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: go to this the Crank Toy store in the strip mall,

697
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: which is a wonderful reference to the second Batman the

698
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: animated series.

699
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Right, very very fun stuff.

700
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: And it's Maxwell Lord Hawk curling guy behind the window

701
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: and their microphone doesn't work is the gag, and so

702
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: they're the off switch doesn't work. So they're roasting Chris

703
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: all the time and he can hear everything they're saying,

704
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: and it gets it kind of lays out very smartly.

705
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: I think what the thesis of this season is going

706
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: to be and is can Chris deal with his like trauma,

707
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: can deal with his anger? Can he stop murdering people?

708
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: Can you realize that that's not the best way to

709
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: live life like? And I think as well, again James

710
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: gun hit showing his kind of showing his power play

711
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: that look I can just casually put to people who

712
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: were just in a five hundred million dollar movie in

713
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: this TV show, you know, That's how it makes it look.

714
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: When girl and Guy godden a show up.

715
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: He also really smartly and we have been wondering, like, Okay,

716
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: how's Peacemaker going to integrate with the gun Saffra Dceu

717
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And I think part of it is the part of

718
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: this conversation where Maxwell basically says, listen, I'm asking you

719
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: about about your your murders. Because we're living in a

720
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: world in which as meta humans become more front facing

721
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: in society, people are beginning to get anxious, fearful, and

722
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: distrustful about them, and that is going to cause all

723
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: sorts of political problems. So we don't want that to happen.

724
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: And that's clearly going to be one of the overarching

725
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: themes of the.

726
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: Movies as well. Well. I think, sorry, what a smart

727
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: way like separate out your your adult like more mature

728
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: viewing stuff and your kids stuff.

729
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And I mean I'm sure we're going to

730
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 7: get into this a little bit further after the recap,

731
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 7: but I think it's a great way. I think, you know,

732
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 7: a lot of questions people had is how is it

733
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 7: going to coexist with the family friendly Superman and then

734
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 7: you have this very adult, you know, dark show. You know,

735
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: there's an orgy scene in the middle of the episode.

736
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 7: But I think there's a way to make it work

737
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 7: with these tonal differences, because you know, I think you

738
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 7: have the characters kind of exist in their separate corners

739
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 7: of the same universe that reflect you know, those characters.

740
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 7: So you have a bright and hopeful Superman in this beautiful,

741
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 7: sunny metropolis, but you still have space for this gross,

742
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 7: hyper violent, sexual peacemaker corner. But then that also leaves

743
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 7: space to have like a dark, brooding Superman or excuse me,

744
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 7: Batman and Gotham, Yes, and those can.

745
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: All those can.

746
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: We get the Arkham references so we know that they're

747
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: teasing it, and then they talk about the breakouts they've had.

748
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: I think you're really onto something the Ian because also,

749
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: as you were saying that, this sounds so silly, and

750
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: I know an exec could probably be like get her

751
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: out of the room, But isn't that just real life? Like,

752
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: so we have to work out how to segment those

753
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: things away from each other. Not everything is a four

754
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: quadrant story or experience. And I think exactly that it's

755
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: very interesting that they kind of established that as a

756
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: kind of a friction that's going to be going forward

757
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: again meta textual understanding the conversations we're having and saying, well, ha,

758
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: here's how we're going to deal with.

759
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 7: It exactly, And I think that just makes for a

760
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: more interesting story moving forward. You know, I want to

761
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: see a brooding, like moody Batman next to David corn

762
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 7: Sweat and like, what is what is an interaction between

763
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 7: you know, like if we ever get there, like a

764
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 7: plastic man and a peacemaker going to be or something

765
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 7: like that. You know, I think that would be really interesting,

766
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 7: you know, exactly.

767
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to the to the questions about tonal differences.

768
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if they've already he's kind of already just

769
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: sleeping over that. That obstacle by having three members of

770
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: the Justice Gang in this show that as you mentioned,

771
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: Ian has a extended orgy scene, which we're about to

772
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: get to. We learned that Harcourt can't get a job

773
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: in intelligence because she's essentially being blackballed from the industry,

774
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: probably at the behest of Amanda Medler, who has an

775
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: ax to grind, she runs into Peacemaker. We learned that

776
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: there might have been a couple of dates or one

777
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: date or something. There's like a Japonian space something that happened,

778
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: probably on a boat. Chris obviously is feeling it a

779
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: lot more than Harcourt is feeling it, and says in

780
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms that that's never going to happen again.

781
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Chris goes home self, medicates with drugs, and somehow populates

782
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: his house with like literally thirty people. It looked like

783
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: Project X, but like Project Triple X.

784
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 7: I also love how everybody is naked, fucking all over

785
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 7: the house. He's fully clothed, just like sitting.

786
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: He just wants it around him.

787
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, let's see how I feel.

788
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: But even but even the drugs and kopious sex really

789
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: can't can't brighten the darkness. That is, you can't numb

790
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: the pain. We learned that outside. John Economis is keeping

791
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: tabs on peacemaker and still the test, still working for Argus,

792
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: which is hilarious. Actually at the behest of Rick Flagg Senior,

793
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: he's doing this, he gets a call from Adrian Lana.

794
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: Adrian's just working, like I think it was a pizza

795
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: place or was it a pizza place.

796
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 7: It's an Italian restaurant.

797
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: Italian. Yeah, so vigilante is just working a regular job.

798
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

799
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: Economists gets an alert that there's something interdimensional, something space

800
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: going on in that house. So he runs over. He

801
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: sees the orgy, but he also sees Chris standing in

802
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: front of what he will later term as a magic

803
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: tunnel and sees Chris go into it, and you know, like,

804
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: what do we do? The glitches happened again. They get

805
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: the alert all the way back at Belle Reeve at

806
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Argus headquarters, Flag calls economists, they talk about the orgy,

807
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: and basically Rick Flagg Senior puts the pressure on economists

808
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: to like find out what's going on. We're at argust

809
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: Priority one alert, and we learned that that means possible

810
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: either alien invasion or imminent dimensional rift, which since the

811
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: events of Superman are going to be a thing that

812
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the government is super secret on alert about.

813
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: And this looks very similar to what we saw all

814
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: the kind of.

815
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: It's an actae two dimensional crossroads, like it's gonna because I.

816
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 7: Got the impression that after watching this and then thinking

817
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 7: back on Superman, what the like qu see, I believe

818
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 7: is what it's called the quantum unfolding chamber that you know,

819
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 7: Chris has access to in this house. What Lex built

820
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 7: was like kind of a janky like bootleg version he

821
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 7: just like figured out on his own.

822
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's so funny, and listen to an extent,

823
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: Argus is right, we've seen aliens.

824
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Walking around down there actually just casually.

825
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: We don't know where all the doors go. So Chris,

826
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: in his depression, unable to numb the pain, goes to

827
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: that door, goes inside and finds himself in his family

828
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: mansion in a different dimension. It's beautiful palatial grounds. Then

829
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: a car pulls up and it's his alive brother alive

830
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: in this world, Keith aka Roy from the office aka uh.

831
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: Triumph.

832
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Dad aka White Dragon

833
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: comes out and he's like, oh my god, the boys

834
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: are read together. Let's celebrate. They share a bottle whiskey.

835
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: They're talking about and I think this is very clearly

836
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: an Easter egg to set up stuff. They talk about

837
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: a battle that Dad had previously with interdimensional imps that

838
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: had come out of I guess this dimensional crossroads, and

839
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: that they were then chased back into there.

840
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: Folks remember who sore an interdimensional imp and wasn't worried

841
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: about it during his titular movie Dedea it was Superman.

842
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: He was actually so unworried about it that he was

843
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: able to make out with Lois Lane. Also imps in

844
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: the DC universe. Why are immediately thinking of Batman all

845
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: these kind of fun things. I thought this was such

846
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: a good little tease for the future of.

847
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: This Seacon thought it was so great and it's I

848
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: feel like, whatever happens at the end of the season,

849
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about an invasion through this interdimension a crossroads.

850
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: Also, let's think about it, interdimensional crossroads, potential multiverse situations.

851
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: We saw a version of Superman, a clone of Superman

852
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: thrown into an interdimensional black hole at the end, and

853
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people were thinking, Okay, bizarro criminal, you know,

854
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: do a little bit of a crime syndicate situation here.

855
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: We could definitely see something like that. So I think

856
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: this is really exciting.

857
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So one thing leads to another and Chris gets

858
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: confronted by the that world's version of himself and accidentally

859
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: kills that World's peacemaker Ian. What did you think of

860
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: this of this first episode Sea two.

861
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 7: I really liked season one, so I was excited coming

862
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 7: into season two, and then knowing that it was going

863
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 7: to connect pretty heavily to Superman, it got me even

864
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 7: more excited. I thought it was a great intro episode.

865
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 7: I think the way they wreckon the ending of season

866
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: one was really smart way to do it. As you

867
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 7: guys mentioned, you know, just like this is the change

868
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 7: that's happened. Let's let's let's keep going, you know, let's

869
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 7: not dwell on it too much. And I think James

870
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 7: Gunn could have taken a Lazier easy way out and

871
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 7: been like, oh, actually everything from season one was in

872
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: a different dimension or we're following a different Peacemaker this season.

873
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 7: But no, it's just like they just changed it. We're

874
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 7: moving forward. And I think it's smart because it also

875
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 7: doesn't undo all of the great character development and character

876
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 7: moments from the first season, and I think keeping those

877
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 7: relationships intact was was really smart. I think the other

878
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 7: little connections throughout the rest of the DCU, like just

879
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 7: ties ties into Creature Commandos as well, you know, like

880
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 7: Task Force M was a direct response to the events

881
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 7: of season one and Piece Maker when Task Force X

882
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 7: got exposed. Rick Flagg Senior was introduced in that show

883
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 7: clearly going to play a very large role in this season.

884
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 7: He has a vendetta against Chris Fermer, his son, which

885
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 7: theory I've seen floating around. You know, we learn in

886
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 7: the the alternate dimension that Chris was dating Hardcourt at

887
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 7: one point and as they're currently maybe split up and

888
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 7: she's dating the jar Head right now, which what if

889
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 7: that's Rick Flagg Junior in dimension? You know that crazy?

890
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: I would love that so much because I think one

891
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: of my biggest issues with Peacemaker season one was just

892
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: simply that I loved the Suicide Squad so much, and

893
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: I felt like Peacemaker was following a character I wouldn't

894
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: have chosen to follow from that film. But I ended

895
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: up really enjoying the first season. But this, I think

896
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: this episode hooked me in way more and I'm so

897
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: excited to see Frank Rio.

898
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: As completely glad. I completely agree. I was basically left

899
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: feeling like James James Gun's got it. I mean, in retrospect,

900
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: season one of Peacemaker was kind of like him planting

901
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: a flag about Okay, here's where all this stuff could go.

902
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: Here's like a someone, Here's what I would do, Here's

903
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: how it could happen. But of course, like you know,

904
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: the flashes in it and like all the Zack Snyder

905
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: people because just in case and the confidence with which

906
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: he has moved past that to just do what he's

907
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: gonna do is uh is notable. And I was im like,

908
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: I loved season one. I thought this episode started off

909
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: immediately like on a higher life than any episode from season.

910
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, except for that intro.

911
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: Yes, the intro, Daunce. I am happy because Frank Grio

912
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: is doing it, and I just feel like that's.

913
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 7: To get the new actors in there. But the song

914
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 7: from the first season just so much cool.

915
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so aboo. Super producer put a great question in

916
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: the quit today, which is, I had no interest in

917
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: watching Peacemaker, but after watching Superman now I feel I

918
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: should question Mark, how would you Ian? How would you

919
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: answer that?

920
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 7: I would say yes, just because I feel like the

921
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 7: of the connections it has to the movie and all

922
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 7: the characters that are reoccurring feel organic. It feels natural,

923
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 7: it doesn't feel shoehorned in. And then I really do

924
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 7: think the quc in this pocket dimension that technology is

925
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 7: going to play a big part in continuing to build

926
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 7: out the world and moving forward with whatever the ultimate

927
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 7: plan is for the whole franchise. I think that's going

928
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 7: to play a big part. So I think we're going

929
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 7: to get a really good understanding of that technology, how

930
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 7: it works, and the implications of it throughout this season. Also,

931
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 7: there are rumors that there are some really big cameos

932
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 7: coming later at the end of the season, to the

933
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 7: point where they haven't even released screeners for those final

934
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 7: few episodes, so I'm wondering, like, could we maybe see

935
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 7: one of the green Lanterns for the upcoming Lantern series

936
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 7: or something like that. You know is in one of

937
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 7: the ending episodes, so we'll see that.

938
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, exciting stuff. Yeah.

939
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: I any quick predictions for the rest of the season

940
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: of Peacemakers.

941
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: I think Ian you touched on something that really works,

942
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: which is the idea of one of the green lanterns.

943
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: How Jordan or John Stewart showing up. I think that

944
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: that is the easiest connect because it's going to be

945
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: an HBO show. Also, I think that them showing up

946
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 2: and essentially being like, why the fuck are you listening

947
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: to Guy Gardiner because we know that he's going to

948
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: be in that show too. We've seen him in Superman.

949
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: It seems like an easy crossover here. I would love

950
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more hawk Girl, obviously, I

951
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: would love I would really love to see Corn Sweat

952
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: and his hope fil amazing. Superman kind of have to

953
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 2: rub up against this real a different tone, this different.

954
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah amazing.

955
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: I think eventually as well, because Peacemaker could press some

956
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: buttons for him that would not make that very supermanly,

957
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: I believe.

958
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they both have interesting I think there's a

959
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: world to to to expound on that. I think that

960
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: there's a world in which Peacemaker could say, Hey, my

961
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: childhood is what you would have had if Jorrell, like

962
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: your dad was still around. Oh man, that's what they wanted.

963
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: That's what they wanted you to be.

964
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: That's what they wanted him to be. I love Oh,

965
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: I got goosebumps, Jason. That was really Yeah. I would

966
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 2: love to see that. Also, just want to shout out

967
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: John Cena. This man. If you didn't know he had

968
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: the juice already, the faces he makes and the the Kyrie.

969
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 7: Moments to me, the interview with the Justice Gang when

970
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 7: they're just ripping him apart and you can see how

971
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 7: and he's like and the faces he's making are just

972
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 7: so sad and heartbreaking because he really thought this was

973
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 7: going to be his big break and they think he's

974
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 7: an asshole and an idiot. And then the scene after

975
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 7: he's talking with his dad and his brother and they

976
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 7: go to bed, he just breaks down crying because he's like,

977
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 7: this is a life that I could have had. This

978
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 7: is a family relationship that I wanted. Like heartbreaking, amazing acting.

979
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 7: John scene is cooking.

980
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: You know. I think there's a little thing that he

981
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: did in that scene too, where it's like his sadness

982
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: is also knowing who his dad really is. Now, like

983
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: that would have been fake anyway. You can't have a family,

984
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: a great family life like that when your dad is

985
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: a member of the Ku Kok Klan and like a

986
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: white supremacist murderer. Like it just doesn't work. And I

987
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: think he John Cena has the chops to make that

988
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: feel like so layered when he cries.

989
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: Two quick predictions. Yeah, Chris is gonna want to replace

990
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: Peacemaker for sure from that world. He's going to try

991
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: and do it, and ultimately is not going to do it.

992
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: He's going to be Rick Flegg Senior is going to

993
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: have to try and obviously stop him. But and here's

994
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: the rub Rick Flagg Senior is gonna think I can

995
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: have my son back exactly.

996
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

997
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: And I like, there's no reason why the Rick Flegg

998
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: Senior and Argus of that world wouldn't also be interested

999
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: in interdimensional stuff. And there's a confrontational and I think

1000
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna end with them shutting all of that shit

1001
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: down in a way that's probably destructive.

1002
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: Also, I just have to say I will if they

1003
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: get Joel Kineman back as Rick Flagg Junior in this,

1004
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: a character I never cared about till I watch those

1005
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: movies like I Will Die. That will be the cameo

1006
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: that they bury me under, and I will be like, yes, please,

1007
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm in because that will be so well done. And

1008
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: I think you guys have touched on something. I never

1009
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: even considered that kind of crossover of the two worlds,

1010
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: but I think that's what we're going to see now.

1011
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: You guys have sold me.

1012
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: Let's welcome back our supers, Carmen and Joelle to join Ian,

1013
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: Rosie and myself to talk about just the stuff that

1014
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: we're going to be imbibing for this weekend. Our recommendations, Joelle,

1015
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: let's start with you, y'all. RF Quong is back. Yeah,

1016
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: I haven't read her boed air.

1017
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: Consistence Babbel is a fundamentally life changing read.

1018
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 7: For me.

1019
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm not a person who deals well with their anger.

1020
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: That book will help you tap into it in a

1021
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 3: really serious way, and I'll do it in a dark,

1022
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: academic setting.

1023
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: What a treat.

1024
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: She then had Yellow Face, which was a searing exploration

1025
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: into both public the publication world, and folks who try

1026
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: to profit off of races that are not their own.

1027
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: It is a fabulous book.

1028
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: Every time she like picks up her pen, she's reinventing

1029
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: the like her own wheels. She's never kind of attacking

1030
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 3: the same time period or structure. And I'm so excited

1031
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: that she's diving into fantasy. She's giving us a with

1032
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: Katabassies her new book, which just came out. I downloaded

1033
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: it this morning and I cannot wait to start. But

1034
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 3: it's another dark academic dive. This time it is inspired

1035
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: by her own romance with her husband, which I think

1036
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: is beautiful and lovely and I just can't wait to

1037
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: get into it. And if you're reading it, please hit

1038
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: me up on the discord so we can chat about my.

1039
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: Favorite I too will be reading it, Carmen, what about you.

1040
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: I've got a music thing going on this weekend. I

1041
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: have a friend flying in from Denver to go see

1042
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 5: Ethel Caine in concert with me to tomorrow this weekend.

1043
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 5: It's going to be a whole weekend thing. We're turning

1044
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 5: it into a whole party. So I say check out.

1045
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 5: Will we tuck her? I will always love you. Great album.

1046
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 5: Listen to Preacher's Daughter if you haven't. Yeah, I'm just

1047
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 5: really excited to see her this week my third time

1048
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: seeing her live, so really excited.

1049
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Nice Ian, what about you?

1050
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 7: This weekend? Big WWE pay per view clash in Paris.

1051
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 7: Speaking of John Cena, he's headlighting up against Logan now yeah,

1052
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 7: actually no, the heel run is over. He's a face again.

1053
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, God, I was gonna say him

1054
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: being a heel against Logan. I was like, I feel

1055
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: like Logan's definitely the heel in that situation. Okay, he's

1056
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: a good boy.

1057
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 7: So yeah, big ww weekend. Looking forward to at ten

1058
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 7: am on Saturday.

1059
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: Baby Jason, what about you?

1060
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: I am going to be playing Hell Everage two an Xbox.

1061
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Now that it's on Xbox. I got in a little bit,

1062
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see what all the fuss

1063
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: is about. I did play it a little bit on PlayStation.

1064
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: But I'm excited because most of my extensive video game

1065
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: collaborator network exists on the Xbox and I'm just excited

1066
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: to cut it up with some old pals. Rosie, what

1067
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: about you?

1068
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: Mine is also a video game. I have got switched

1069
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: to guys and the cozy gaming queens have told me

1070
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: don't worry about the reviews of Tels of the Shayak.

1071
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 5: Just go.

1072
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: If you like to have a thousand different ways to

1073
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: customize your character and you want to just make friends

1074
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: with people by cooking them a group meal, then you

1075
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: will love this game. And guess what. I played it

1076
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: for like two hours last night, and it's so good.

1077
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: And for some reason, every single time your hobbit's just

1078
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: standing around, they're just serving outrageous like sassy looks. So

1079
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: it's also hilarious. But yeah, very cozy, very fun. I

1080
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: think cozy gamers are not going to be surprised by

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Speaker 2: the sort of glitches and issues that maybe a game

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Speaker 2: like this has. But I think if you love cozy gaming,

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Speaker 2: you're already playing stuff like Animal Crossing, Wildflowers, you know,

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Speaker 2: all of those good games at Stardu Valley. This is

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Speaker 2: very much that, but set in a hobbit world, and

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Speaker 2: I am loving it. So I'm appreciating the cozy gamer

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Speaker 2: community for encouraging me to step out. And it looks

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Speaker 2: beautiful on a switch too, so I'll be playing that

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Speaker 2: all we can. Baby, I'm going to be playing it

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Speaker 2: on my switch. One. Hey, someone's in commons, Well that's it.

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Speaker 1: For this episode the premiere episode of Extra GC. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with the biggest news

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Speaker 1: of the week. Woo bye x ray Vision is hosted

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Speaker 1: by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Knight and is a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuza par.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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Speaker 2: Our disc called Moderator