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Speaker 4: welcome you on to the show. What we're gonna do
Speaker 4: tonight is talk about cattle mutilations and old fascination of
Speaker 4: our show. We're going to get into some great conversation
Speaker 4: about our recent episodes on Breaking Physics. We're going to
Speaker 4: talk about Chinese agro terrorism, some super soldier notes. But
Speaker 4: before we do any of that, we got really into
Speaker 4: dreams again and made the decision as a crew that
Speaker 4: we actively want to encourage all our fellow listeners to
Speaker 4: tell us about their dream especially the weird ones that
Speaker 4: maybe science can't yet explain. So what do you say, guys,
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Speaker 4: what dreams may come. Yes, I'm not we're not cutting it.
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Speaker 5: And we're back. And you know what, I really reject
Speaker 5: to this notion that nobody wants to hear about people's dreams.
Speaker 2: Have you guys heard this?
Speaker 5: Like this is sort of a thing where it's like
Speaker 5: it's sort of meant to be sort of a burdensome
Speaker 5: thing or obnoxious, and people only think that their dreams
Speaker 5: are cool and nobody else cares.
Speaker 3: I've heard that. I disagree.
Speaker 4: I think the discrepancy comes from an unfortunate thing where
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of humans have experienced conversations
Speaker 4: where someone wants to tell you all about their dreams,
Speaker 4: but they don't reciprocate. Also, if you reciprocate, then any
Speaker 4: conversation can be interesting. If you listen as much much
Speaker 4: as you speak, the interaction will be rewarding. I like that,
Speaker 4: but it's a good way to put it.
Speaker 5: And we already have entertained some tales of various listeners
Speaker 5: dreams who have written into us. But I found one
Speaker 5: particularly interesting that came from too Fab and it specifically
Speaker 5: refers to the idea of dream premonitions. So two fab starts. Hey, guys,
Speaker 5: you know I don't really comment often because of my job,
Speaker 5: although I listened to every show thanks too Fab. There
Speaker 5: are three witnesses to this referring to this individual's dream premonitions,
Speaker 5: and I told three people about the event that occurred,
Speaker 5: and the premonition was the night before the event. Just
Speaker 5: to be clear, I have lucid dreams quite often solve
Speaker 5: problems in my sleep on the regular.
Speaker 3: What a cool skill.
Speaker 5: You often hear about artists and musicians that you claim
Speaker 5: to be able to create the state of lucid dreaming
Speaker 5: or encourage the state of lucid dreaming in order to
Speaker 5: work on their art. So I think problem solving makes
Speaker 5: a whole lot of sense. It's cool that you can
Speaker 5: do that, too Fab. This is something I've always done
Speaker 5: since I was a young girl, and I've just accepted
Speaker 5: this as part of my superpowers, compared to most people
Speaker 5: agreed on the superpower. Note, however, I have had three
Speaker 5: real premonitions before the events, two of which were associated
Speaker 5: with myself or my family, and therefore could fall into
Speaker 5: a category of being able to be explained away, perhaps
Speaker 5: referring to just kind of you know a lot about
Speaker 5: these people. You can kind of put the pieces together
Speaker 5: in advance, be predictive based on observations. One can't be explained,
Speaker 5: and it shook me to the core at the time.
Speaker 5: When I was in college, one night I had a dream.
Speaker 5: In the dream, I was watching a man dressed in
Speaker 5: blue standing next to a rock wall near a white
Speaker 5: commercial building in doorway and like entrance. As I watched,
Speaker 5: President Reagan was waving, and the man shot the President
Speaker 5: and another man I watched the Secret Service tackled him
Speaker 5: and covered the President and shoved the President into the
Speaker 5: car I was riding in the car as it went
Speaker 5: to the hospital and rushed him into surgery. Then I
Speaker 5: saw him flatline. I woke up in a cold sweat.
Speaker 5: I must have screamed because it was so real. I
Speaker 5: could smell the gun, the people, and the sweat, the car,
Speaker 5: leather everything. My roommate asked what was wrong. I told
Speaker 5: her I had a nightmare and told her what I dreamed.
Speaker 5: She was like, wow, that's weird. Why would you dream
Speaker 5: about the president? I told her, I don't know, but
Speaker 5: that was really, really real. I got up because I
Speaker 5: couldn't sleep. I went to breakfast with my two best
Speaker 5: friends and told them about the dream. They both teased
Speaker 5: me and asked if I was going to join the
Speaker 5: Secret Service or something. I told them, of course not,
Speaker 5: and we all laughed and the subject dropped. I went
Speaker 5: to class for readers. We didn't have cell phones or
Speaker 5: pagers back then, so things would happen during the day
Speaker 5: and no one would know until they turned on the news.
Speaker 5: I went back to the dorm that afternoon and one
Speaker 5: of my best friends met me at the door and
Speaker 5: had a white face. She goes, you need to come
Speaker 5: with me. Took me into the TV room and there
Speaker 5: it was on the news that Reagan had gotten shot.
Speaker 5: They had no news about his status yet. I started
Speaker 5: crying because I kept saying I saw him die. I
Speaker 5: saw him die. Of course he didn't die. He survived
Speaker 5: the attack, so I was like, Okay, it wasn't a
Speaker 5: correct premonition, but my brain was also going other than
Speaker 5: the guy and how he was dressed, and the building
Speaker 5: was exactly the same building from my dream, and they
Speaker 5: shoved him into the car and drove to the hospital
Speaker 5: and another man was also shot. Of course, years later
Speaker 5: we find out he did possibly flatline, but was resurrected.
Speaker 5: I have zero clue why that came to me, or
Speaker 5: why I would have dreamed anything or what we like
Speaker 5: that I cannot be explained. So I do believe these
Speaker 5: can happen, and there may be no real explanation on
Speaker 5: why these may occur, although events like mine would likely
Speaker 5: be extremely rare, since if lucid dreams are the key
Speaker 5: your own life may make you stay within your normal
Speaker 5: life bounce. Perhaps I had them because I later worked
Speaker 5: in and around the seats of power. Don't know, but
Speaker 5: maybe it was also telling me where I would eventually
Speaker 5: go since I have worked protection planning. I love the show.
Speaker 5: Keep up a great work too, fab fa Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, thank you for the detail
Speaker 5: and this incredible recollection of I mean, I would argue
Speaker 5: that this is absolutely qualifies as a premonition. Well, even
Speaker 5: see in fiction. When premonitions happen, they're often little twists
Speaker 5: to them or little ways of interpreting them that maybe
Speaker 5: leads to an incorrect assumption about what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: Only when you know how to interpret them correctly, can
Speaker 5: you actually use the superpower?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah two, fab, thank you again for the excellent correspondence.
Speaker 4: And I may be a bit biased. I may need
Speaker 4: to recuse myself because my family has a history of
Speaker 4: premonition via the dream state. So I do while I
Speaker 4: cannot scientifically explain it. We attempt to in our two
Speaker 4: part episode series on Dreams Predicting the Future. We attempt
Speaker 4: to with some pretty fascinating physics. But I'm with you too, Fab.
Speaker 4: I think this is I think there has to be
Speaker 4: something to it, And a lot of skeptics hate when
Speaker 4: I say that, But I would advance then in response
Speaker 4: that skepticism true skepticism is only rational inquiry, and if
Speaker 4: something sounds crazy, you cannot immediately dismiss it just because
Speaker 4: you know it trips some wire for what you think
Speaker 4: the universe should work.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I mean it seems tied to into all
Speaker 5: kinds of other ideas around the collective unconscious and just
Speaker 5: you know, information that can be received by some people
Speaker 5: but not others, and psychic powers and all of that. Like,
Speaker 5: I'm always drawn back to the fact that the government
Speaker 5: and you know, the intelligence services believed in this stuff
Speaker 5: enough to like have a whole programs surrounding it. And
Speaker 5: we've seen cases of programs that yielded some success. So
Speaker 5: while I'm not like one hundred percent the believer, I
Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot of smoke and probably some
Speaker 5: psychic fire out there somewhere, how about you, Matt.
Speaker 2: Well, I, like Ben, have got some weird dream stuff
Speaker 2: in the fam, some weird mental stuff in the fam,
Speaker 2: and there's all kinds of things that go together with that.
Speaker 2: That society, as Ben was saying, kind of puts its
Speaker 2: own little spin on it, right, science decides kind of
Speaker 2: what it is. I get it. I think there's something
Speaker 2: to it. I don't know how to control it, and
Speaker 2: I don't know any I've never met anybody who can
Speaker 2: control premonition dreams, right, who can say I want to
Speaker 2: have a premonition tonight about something that's going to happen
Speaker 2: to a specific.
Speaker 4: Person, and does the measurement or the observation even in
Speaker 4: a dream of a future event. Does it affect in
Speaker 4: some state or in some manner the transpiration of those events?
Speaker 2: Right? Is it a projection? And you know there there
Speaker 2: is really interesting science going on right now with the
Speaker 2: whole the whole what is it infodynamics and some of
Speaker 2: that stuff that it deals with whether or not we humans,
Speaker 2: as an individual conscious thing, are actually projecting our own
Speaker 2: consciousness or consciousness itself onto the world, onto this field,
Speaker 2: this information field. Weird crap. And it goes back to
Speaker 2: that episode about breaking physics, which we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about further in this episode.
Speaker 5: But it feels like we're reacting to something. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a certain amount of intuition that goes into this
Speaker 5: and people that like to Fab's point about maybe some
Speaker 5: of those premonitions that could be explained away because of
Speaker 5: intimate knowledge as certain individuals and you know whatever the
Speaker 5: course of their lives, et cetera. So there is a
Speaker 5: certain level of just intuition and kind of a certain
Speaker 5: kind of intellects that goes into being good at this,
Speaker 5: and we see that exploited by like fake psychics and
Speaker 5: sure confidence men and such, right.
Speaker 4: Mentalist, Yeah, yeah, I mean there is that that's the thing.
Speaker 4: A non zero percentage of these lived experiences can be
Speaker 4: explained by understood science.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: However, we're not looking at that significant discrepancy or that
Speaker 4: significant piece of the pie. We're looking at the stuff
Speaker 4: that cannot yet be explained. We're looking towards the bleeding
Speaker 4: edge of cognitive science, where even the physicists and the
Speaker 4: skeptics alike throw up their hands or tentacles and say, crap,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It reminds me of two fab It
Speaker 4: reminds me of a recent study that you would be
Speaker 4: fascinated by, I hope, wherein researchers have found quantum entanglement
Speaker 4: may explain migratory birds an astonishing sense of direction. Like
Speaker 4: we knew they could sense magnetic fields, but we didn't
Speaker 4: really understand how they could do so. And it turns
Speaker 4: out bleeding edge science me give us the answer, and
Speaker 4: in the pursuit of that, the understanding of the very
Speaker 4: small and very tricky science of quantum mechanics, we may
Speaker 4: arrive at an answer regarding premonitions in dream state.
Speaker 5: I guess that's what I'm referring to as well. Specifically,
Speaker 5: I know I bring it up a lot. I know
Speaker 5: you guys enjoyed this conversation too. Russell targ Third Eye
Speaker 5: Spies author and person who is involved in some of
Speaker 5: those very programs with the government for training psychic spies
Speaker 5: and stuff. And I just really love that some of
Speaker 5: that bleeding edge technology you're talking about in science rather
Speaker 5: it's starting to resemble a place where science intersects with
Speaker 5: like the unknown. And I guess that's sort of the point,
Speaker 5: right What is the unknown if not a thing that
Speaker 5: science cannot yet explain? And what is bleeding out of
Speaker 5: science if not starting to approach those things?
Speaker 3: And we talk about it. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: We talk about it in our episode on whether or
Speaker 4: not humans can break physics. When you get past a
Speaker 4: certain threshold of scientific inquiry, the smartest, the most brilliant,
Speaker 4: the most capable physicists are verging onto what we call
Speaker 4: spirituality or philosophy. And there's a reason for that. And
Speaker 4: I think that's a very encouraging clue in unraveling the
Speaker 4: great mystery of reality.
Speaker 5: Because that the part that we call magic art that
Speaker 5: we always refer back to that quote about of course technology,
Speaker 5: certain technology to a certain levels might as well be
Speaker 5: magic more or less? But like, is that unknown part
Speaker 5: to what you're saying men, and that kind of philosophy,
Speaker 5: part of being a scientist looking into these things and
Speaker 5: these secrets of the universe. How could you not have
Speaker 5: a little bit of reverence for that kind of mystical
Speaker 5: side of it?
Speaker 4: Do you have to even if you know something works?
Speaker 4: The world is so amazing that understanding it makes it
Speaker 4: no less.
Speaker 5: Magical, and not all scientists or atheists. I think that's
Speaker 5: something that's very worth pointing out.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4: I think that's a beautiful point, and I agree with
Speaker 4: you that it's often forgotten.
Speaker 3: Here's a pitch.
Speaker 4: If this is for us, this is for you two
Speaker 4: fab this is for everyone tuning in and tri force.
Speaker 4: We're interested in your thoughts as well. If some entity
Speaker 4: came out or some institution came out with a substance
Speaker 4: you could consume that would give you a higher likelihood
Speaker 4: of premonitions and dreams, would you take it? Would you
Speaker 4: want to know what occurs in the future, and would
Speaker 4: you know it alter the future?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 5: It's a no for me, dude, I think I don't
Speaker 5: think people were meant to I mean it's another cliche
Speaker 5: of fiction around this stuff. I don't think we're meant
Speaker 5: to have those kinds of powers. I think now it
Speaker 5: can be really damaging. It can be damaging to one's
Speaker 5: own psyche and also potentially to I don't know, the world.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a big let's go for me, okay, but more
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 4: All right, So we got one fan of sort of
Speaker 4: improv jazz approach to life. We got one one vote
Speaker 4: for yes, let's know all the things. I do think
Speaker 4: it's interesting that the idea that there may be a
Speaker 4: genetic component of some sort that was a suspicion or
Speaker 4: trope that occurs way before the humans knew about genetics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, because because if that.
Speaker 4: Existed, obviously you probably wouldn't sell it to the public.
Speaker 4: You would have a cadre of folks like those in
Speaker 4: Russell target experiments, right or pre crime minority report stuff,
Speaker 4: and they're just tasked with having that existence. I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: Sometimes you like to be surprised as.
Speaker 5: A monkey's pause scenario though every time.
Speaker 4: Yeah it yeah, yeah, because if the it's sort of
Speaker 4: like a sickle cell anemia and malaria, if there were
Speaker 4: maybe some genetic component that allowed for this sort of dreaming,
Speaker 4: which is again one of the off sided ideas here.
Speaker 4: That genetic component would have been a massive evolutionary advantage,
Speaker 4: So why is it not more prominent if again, if
Speaker 4: that's the case, then we would have to lodge assume
Speaker 4: that there must be many drawbacks to that, similar to
Speaker 4: creativity and mental instability, which we're all three proud possessors.
Speaker 5: Yeah on one or the other, if not both, well
Speaker 5: y'all with that. Never not an interesting conversation this topic,
Speaker 5: And please tell me your dreams, whatever the scenario, and
Speaker 5: I will tell you. Yeah, I just mean like what
Speaker 5: I was saying earlier about the idea of that being
Speaker 5: like you know, conversational poison or something like that. If
Speaker 5: we're ever hanging out one on one, I want to
Speaker 5: hear about it. And yes, absolutely please share with us,
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Speaker 3: Thanks too, fab.
Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we are jumping to a message
Speaker 2: from goat to discuss mutilations of animals cattle in particular,
Speaker 2: but several others as well. It appears Goat has some
Speaker 2: insight to see what we all feel about it, the fellows.
Speaker 6: This is Goat. I have the solution for you for
Speaker 6: the animal mutilations, cattle mutilations specifically, but it's a much
Speaker 6: broader category. It is the Department of Energy and Defense,
Speaker 6: funded by the Energy and forced by Department of Defense,
Speaker 6: where people are collecting tissue for radioactive particulates. And if
Speaker 6: you look at the animals, the parts that are taken
Speaker 6: are as follows. The thyroid deliver the kidneys, these stomach contents,
Speaker 6: the ascending a ord to the entire large intestine, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera. Basically, guys and helicopters fly around with giant tasers.
Speaker 6: It look like something out of Supertroopers. In helicopters, they
Speaker 6: land so calm. They don't only test cattle. It's just
Speaker 6: that cattle are very convenient, often in wide open spaces
Speaker 6: where you win a helicopters five miles away from nobody,
Speaker 6: chop them up, let the blood drain in the ground.
Speaker 6: These so calm guys could probably disassemble a cow in
Speaker 6: twenty minutes. Team of silpeam six, et cetera. So anyway,
Speaker 6: they called me goat the appleatric Mountain Hillbilly used my
Speaker 6: words on the air as necessary. The reason why I
Speaker 6: know this my entire family worked at Ulcreage nuclear Labs
Speaker 6: and on the weekends, my grandfather and I used to
Speaker 6: go electro fishing and collect the samples. We were allowed
Speaker 6: to keep the fish, but we had to turn in
Speaker 6: the gills, the eyes, the cheek muscle, the entire digestive track,
Speaker 6: the liver, the kidneys, basically all the organs. So you
Speaker 6: got the fish, throw it at a ziplock bag, put
Speaker 6: the time, date and the place you were on the lake,
Speaker 6: and they study the radiation levels and deliver the good
Speaker 6: news is Milton Hill Lake and East Tennessee, just outside Oakridge,
Speaker 6: going to see where the new labs are is about
Speaker 6: five percent of the background radiation in the fish livers.
Speaker 6: That's what we saw. And you can actually get paid
Speaker 6: to do this today. There's a foreign to fill out
Speaker 6: on the line with the Department of Defense and the
Speaker 6: National Atomic Energy Watch McCall it. Anyway, they sample all
Speaker 6: over the world and UH, basically when the socom guys
Speaker 6: or board, they can always go and shoot a few cows.
Speaker 6: That's pretty much the story. We got paid. I think
Speaker 6: eighty dollars a pound for the liver weight is how
Speaker 6: we were paid. So see, Bah, I've been goat and
Speaker 6: it's been real. So you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Electro fishing, Can I just put that out there right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is incredible?
Speaker 6: Goat?
Speaker 2: Uh what is electro fishing?
Speaker 4: Electro fishing is where you use DC electricity.
Speaker 2: To stun a fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's only stunned.
Speaker 4: You've got a submerged cathode and anode. It's still safer
Speaker 4: than nudely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you use.
Speaker 3: Like a battery.
Speaker 5: Is this like a very DIY process or is there
Speaker 5: like pro gear for this? It strikes me as something
Speaker 5: you would use just like a car battery.
Speaker 4: For it's component in science, because if you do it
Speaker 4: the right way, it's not gonna harm the fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just stun and pick them up, take a
Speaker 2: look at them, take a little sample.
Speaker 3: And put much radiation.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't kill him dead.
Speaker 5: It would literally just knock him out. It seems like
Speaker 5: it would kill him.
Speaker 3: No, No, it doesn't have.
Speaker 5: To kill Okay, it can be a low a low shot.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at pictures of backpack stun fishing stuff, so
Speaker 2: you can just submerge it and then stun the fish.
Speaker 2: Grab it up, take a little sample, put it right back.
Speaker 2: That's incredible.
Speaker 4: I love the stun boats of those of real life.
Speaker 4: I was not participant in it. Yeah, it's absolutely it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's like jack skeletons. Yeah, they go out over other
Speaker 4: either side of the vessel, and they're small vessels.
Speaker 2: Dude, bad ass. Goat.
Speaker 4: Also, Goat, Oh Matt, If it's okay with you, I'd
Speaker 4: like to do an introduction for you, Goat.
Speaker 3: Is that okay? Sure? All right?
Speaker 4: So, through another side quest with roots in East Tennessee
Speaker 4: and in my family of old, met the official historian
Speaker 4: of Oak Ridge, a tremendous guy named Ray Smith, and
Speaker 4: I'm sure he'd love to speak with you, Goat. So,
Speaker 4: if it's okay with everybody, follow up in this correspondence,
Speaker 4: drop us your email when you have a chance, and
Speaker 4: we will. We'll connect you directly with this guy. I
Speaker 4: think you would love to share some stories with each other.
Speaker 4: Heck yeah, if you don't already know Ray again, Ray's
Speaker 4: just a great storyteller.
Speaker 2: Sounds good. Heck yeah, Friends, for life. We're just made
Speaker 2: on the show Ray and Goat. Oakridge guy, isn't there boys?
Speaker 5: Isn't there like a bluegrass outfit called the Oakreage?
Speaker 6: Boy?
Speaker 5: I swear there isn't They could be Oakridge Boys as Honestly,
Speaker 5: I liked your song, Matt.
Speaker 2: But this is really cool stuff, guys, just the you know,
Speaker 2: look code. We're not saying you're wrong here or you're
Speaker 2: telling tales. It's just like stating it so matter of
Speaker 2: factly that there are so calm guys and helicopters with
Speaker 2: giant tasers that go around and knock off the you know,
Speaker 2: the cattle and do the samples right there and let
Speaker 2: them bleed out into the soil.
Speaker 3: Was it cheeks?
Speaker 5: Thalamous?
Speaker 2: Stomach ascending it?
Speaker 5: Did I miss the significance of the parts?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Therein is a bag of awful badger's O F F
Speaker 4: al Because this will this will potentially explain some of
Speaker 4: the cattle mutilation phenomena and goat as I'm sure you
Speaker 4: and I would agree here. It doesn't need to explain
Speaker 4: all of it to be valid. The skeptical answer will
Speaker 4: typically be hey, given the remote population right of cattle,
Speaker 4: there is a clear probability right, that some of these
Speaker 4: cattle expire through natural causes or through predation, and if
Speaker 4: they're left out there and they're undiscovered, then scavengers are
Speaker 4: always going to go for the soft spots of the carcass.
Speaker 4: And that is where you see what looks like specific
Speaker 4: removal of organs now goat. That's obviously not what we're
Speaker 4: talking about here, but what I'm saying or positing, and
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree on this, I hope,
Speaker 4: is that there are multiple explanations for cattle mutilation, and
Speaker 4: one existing does not make the others impossible. They are
Speaker 4: not mutually exclusive. There are a lot of cattle out
Speaker 4: there and there are a lot of things that can
Speaker 4: happen to them. I think we should also thank everybody
Speaker 4: else who wrote in on our classic episode of cattle mutilations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, undred percent, thanks so much, y'all. Not every cattle
Speaker 2: mutilation is made equally. That's something that we found over
Speaker 2: the years. There are these more surgical looking, you know,
Speaker 2: removal of all of the guts and the parts that
Speaker 2: would be easily testable for like radiation accumulation. But then
Speaker 2: there are other ones, as as Ben is describing where
Speaker 2: something went in through the eyes and the mouth and
Speaker 2: the butt basically and all the parts back there, the
Speaker 2: soft tissues. But it is it isn't as perfectly like
Speaker 2: a perfect cut out of the side of a cow,
Speaker 2: which we have seen. We have seen evidence of that stuff, right.
Speaker 4: The diamond shape incisions on the undercarriage, like some of that, some.
Speaker 2: Of that's weird, right, and where this kind of thing
Speaker 2: would be an explanation, But man.
Speaker 5: Diamond shaped, and that makes me think of you remember
Speaker 5: that part in Signs of the Lambs where he's like,
Speaker 5: was she a big fat woman, big fat person? The
Speaker 5: skin that was being removed from the victims in that
Speaker 5: diamond shaped and it was because they were being used
Speaker 5: to make like clothing, they're being used to stitch together.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's just just occurred to me. I wonder
Speaker 5: if there's an alien serial killer.
Speaker 3: On the loose.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but we'd love to hear from the
Speaker 2: do O D or the Atomic Energy Watch you might
Speaker 2: call it. That would be really awesome. I really love.
Speaker 5: It. We'd love to hear the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, probably
Speaker 5: Atomic Energy Commission.
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Speaker 7: Thanks so much, goat, And we've returned with a with
Speaker 7: a couple of brief core pieces of correspondence work corresponding
Speaker 7: sees if you want to be that guy at.
Speaker 4: A party, and we're gonna start maybe this way, guys,
Speaker 4: let's talk a little bit about Super Soldiers. I think
Speaker 4: we all found our Super Soldier update episode illuminating, terrifying,
Speaker 4: a little disquieting. We all walked away with some opinions
Speaker 4: on genetic modification and exoskeletons, and we also we also
Speaker 4: strongly implied the idea that war may evolve past human
Speaker 4: war fighters. This is our first message for this part. Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: call me Clever in you window, huge fan. I'm sure
Speaker 4: you've had plenty other veterans right in saying about the
Speaker 4: same things regarding your update on Super Soldiers or SS.
Speaker 4: I don't love that one, Clever in your Window, but
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: You continue.
Speaker 4: I spent ten years in the service and saw my
Speaker 4: share of action, But more important to the conversation, I
Speaker 4: had countless hours of training on sometimes awesome, sometimes over
Speaker 4: hyped new technologies. The DoD that's our Department of Defense
Speaker 4: here in the US, a hilarious name, obviously spends absurd
Speaker 4: amounts of money on developing technologies that have potential to
Speaker 4: be game changers on the battlefield. However, the application of
Speaker 4: these aids frequently falls short, often due to the higher
Speaker 4: ups wanting the benefits without forking over the dollars. That
Speaker 4: is to say, they develop these sweet gadgets and then
Speaker 4: roll them out as cheaply as possible. Sometimes that means
Speaker 4: there are not enough to actually help. Sometimes they are
Speaker 4: so shoddily built that they break immediately, or it's a
Speaker 4: dollar store version of what's actually needed. So while I
Speaker 4: do believe some super soldier stuff is in the works
Speaker 4: and that one day it will actually be effective, I
Speaker 4: think that day is far far away, but I hope
Speaker 4: it's before Skydek goes live. Sorry this was long. Thanks
Speaker 4: for all the content. Keep kicking ass, brothers, love you all.
Speaker 4: Clever in your window, Thank you Clever. Brief brief clarification
Speaker 4: there was I was referring, perhaps an error to some
Speaker 4: other correspondence. We got about a world in which technology
Speaker 4: advances such that you don't have humans on the battlefield.
Speaker 4: I think that is also a salient point. But what
Speaker 4: Clever is saying here is going to be familiar to
Speaker 4: any veteran. We mentioned it, right, like rolling out stuff
Speaker 4: before it's battle tested and just saying, oh, you know, Helliburton,
Speaker 4: those guys gave us the cheapest per unit price, so
Speaker 4: let's hope those planes stay in the air.
Speaker 3: So they mean by field.
Speaker 2: Tested, right, Yeah, yes, especially with a lot of the
Speaker 2: wearable gear that ends up being made of crazy cheap
Speaker 2: materials because the government, you know, saw a way to
Speaker 2: get it cheaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: War profiteering, it's a real thing. People don't talk about
Speaker 4: it in the West, maybe as often as we should.
Speaker 4: But it reminds me of two fictional touch points, and
Speaker 4: these may be familiar to veterans and to you as well.
Speaker 3: Clever.
Speaker 4: Remember that movie adaptation of the board game Clue. It
Speaker 4: had no right to be as good as it is.
Speaker 3: This was good, right, and it's fantastic. It made like
Speaker 3: five Yeah you can see, I believe. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4: It's the It's probably one of the best board game
Speaker 4: adaptations out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Battleship that oh god, you're right. Come on though,
Speaker 3: is that? I mean, come on?
Speaker 5: Like master, I want to see candy Land the movie.
Speaker 5: That seems like that's a missed opportunity.
Speaker 4: I want to see Tim Burton direct candy Land the
Speaker 4: movie or Verder Hearson.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: According to IMDb, candy Land is a movie. No, what's
Speaker 2: from twenty two?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well that was the before times?
Speaker 5: Was it the I've never heard nor hear of this?
Speaker 2: Directed by John swa.
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be bowl like that. Well, okay,
Speaker 3: it good. I'm gonna guess no what the reason.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing up clue is that, if you'll recall spoilers
Speaker 4: three to one spoilers, one of the people I believe
Speaker 4: it may be the Colonel Mustard character is villainized and
Speaker 4: exposed as a war profiteer and people died because he
Speaker 4: was cracking corrupt government contracts to put stuff out for
Speaker 4: a very low price point. We also see another example
Speaker 4: of this in Oh Gosh, Oh the Boys, Remember the
Speaker 4: graphic novel The Boys thought International.
Speaker 5: Show wasn't half bad? And there was also a Nicholas
Speaker 5: Cage movie where he played a war profiteer. It was
Speaker 5: called Like.
Speaker 3: The God, War God, something.
Speaker 5: It was exactly it was. It was about the very
Speaker 5: thing that you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Oh man, war profiteering adaptations.
Speaker 5: There's shades of it, but I mean, at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, it's just about prising profits over you know,
Speaker 5: anything else.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and QP people unsafe, you know, putting them in
Speaker 4: situations that are more unsafe than they already were. You know,
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen a ton with us in podcasting. What
Speaker 4: a weird and not good comparison. But if we get
Speaker 4: a bad mic, we will just move a recording.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: If these folks get bad instrumentation, then people die, you know.
Speaker 4: And that point about new technology as as you made
Speaker 4: it mat the the wearables, right, which often have not
Speaker 4: been tested in these harrowing environments, they will directly lead
Speaker 4: to death if they malfunction or if they're cheaply made.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't want the TMU version of the HUD.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, or they'll just end up sitting in boxes
Speaker 2: at a forward operating base because the soldiers all decide, well,
Speaker 2: let's just not.
Speaker 4: No, not that one, you know what I mean, We'll
Speaker 4: do it live with the stuff we know.
Speaker 2: Works, Yeah, like eyes and you know, ears and stuff.
Speaker 4: We also want to thank all the people, the veterans
Speaker 4: and currently serving members of various militaries and armed forces
Speaker 4: who wrote in talking about the same future of the
Speaker 4: super soldier. Does a world exist wherein there are no
Speaker 4: human soldiers?
Speaker 3: Right? And what does human mean in this context? It's
Speaker 3: on the way.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can share more of that in the future,
Speaker 4: but for now we're going to a brief piece of
Speaker 4: correspondence that may prompt an episode. This comes to us
Speaker 4: from our friend. Oh, we're going to do our best.
Speaker 4: We want all hands on deck for this one.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm Jack warmar Fad, Jack grubmuffin, Jack braahma than
Speaker 4: nailed times. Oh thanks bro, Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of those.
Speaker 4: Okay, uh Jay, we're gonna say it for sure, uh
Speaker 4: jequealing present. Uh So you wrote to us and you
Speaker 4: said Below is a link to the news story about
Speaker 4: possible agro terrorism by Chinese nationals. I'd love to hear
Speaker 4: you guys dive into this. I'm sure there's much more
Speaker 4: to this story. I'm also curious as to if we
Speaker 4: have similar supplies of the same fungus in US labs.
Speaker 4: Feel free to use my email call me Jacqua Ramafan,
Speaker 4: Jack Ramafan, if you can, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: One of them might be right. So thank you for
Speaker 4: our Thank you for barry with us there. Uh guys,
Speaker 4: I think we all heard about this story. We may
Speaker 4: have talked about it a little bit offline in other chats,
Speaker 4: but a University of Michigan scholar and her paramore were
Speaker 4: arrested for attempting to smuggle a fungus called Fusarium gramminarium
Speaker 4: into the.
Speaker 5: United States because it's because it was.
Speaker 4: So fun to say TSA was like, hang on a
Speaker 4: rhyming fungus, Let me get a go at it. So
Speaker 4: it's a It's a strain, a dangerous strain of a
Speaker 4: common fungus. It can infect wheat, rice, other cereal grains.
Speaker 4: If you want to read more about it, are Palja
Speaker 4: linked us to a great series of articles. We've got
Speaker 4: some more to recommend, but start with the Detroit News
Speaker 4: by Carol Thompson. This was published June third of this
Speaker 4: month and this year. The concern is that this fungus,
Speaker 4: when deployed, it can wreak havoc on crops. It can
Speaker 4: cause men's damage. It can make those grains not just
Speaker 4: dangerous for the animals eating them, but it can also
Speaker 4: prevent their growth, and it can make and dangerous for
Speaker 4: humans to consume.
Speaker 5: Like an ergot situation. I was just thinking about that concept.
Speaker 2: It's not it's bad, it's gnarly fusarium head blight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in case he didn't have another thing to worry.
Speaker 5: It sounds like a status effect in an RPG or
Speaker 5: like in like turn based.
Speaker 2: Well it ben you know that you mentioned the main
Speaker 2: ones that infects but also gets maize or corn and
Speaker 2: which if you're thinking about it in the United States
Speaker 2: and the primary crops that we've talked about on this show.
Speaker 2: It infects the main growing crops besides, I think soy.
Speaker 2: I don't know about soy, but.
Speaker 3: It does a number on them too. It's bad.
Speaker 4: If you get fusarium head blight, then congratulations.
Speaker 3: You're wheat. That is a disease for wheat.
Speaker 4: But if you are a human animal and you're in
Speaker 4: the whole, you know you're doing the human thing, then
Speaker 4: you should know that this fun can cause vomiting, liver damage,
Speaker 4: and reproductive issues. It especially can touch pigs. So look,
Speaker 4: here's the case we want to we want to approach
Speaker 4: this rationally without alarmism. We do want to give you
Speaker 4: some facts. You should know the people who are arrested.
Speaker 4: There's a thirty three ye rule. This is the scholar
Speaker 4: Yun qing Jan and her boyfriend Jun Yong Liu is
Speaker 4: they're like thirty three and thirty four.
Speaker 3: And the issue is why.
Speaker 4: They would purposely bring this to the US. It already
Speaker 4: exists in the US and any number of labs. It
Speaker 4: seems right now that the federal government is accusing them
Speaker 4: of possible agro terrorism, using this fungus as a biological
Speaker 4: weapon to.
Speaker 3: Attack the US's bread.
Speaker 5: So agro terrorism versus eco terrorism or two different concepts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a VENN diagram. That's a great question. But
Speaker 4: the thing is this already existed in the US, as
Speaker 4: we said, it reached epidemic levels in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 4: and it's screwed with crop yields, which messes with crops
Speaker 4: in the future, messes with the price point of maize
Speaker 4: and wheat and so on.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, it is easy to especially in times
Speaker 4: of sinophobia, it's easy to accuse these folks of being
Speaker 4: super villains or something. But it's also quite plausible that
Speaker 4: they were just trying to get around the red tape.
Speaker 4: Like you can bring this into the US and things
Speaker 4: like it, you have to go through a pretty rigorous
Speaker 4: evaluation period when you ship this stuff, because it is living,
Speaker 4: it can die in transit while you're waiting to get
Speaker 4: through all the bureaucracy. So logically you could say, hey,
Speaker 4: I need this for my research. I'm just going to
Speaker 4: bring it in Like those people who always get caught
Speaker 4: with a bunch of animals in their pants, you know,
Speaker 4: like snakes and parrots.
Speaker 5: There was an ant situation, was a huge ant situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: My first question for you guys here is why did
Speaker 4: they lie to the FBI when they got caught. That's
Speaker 4: the that's the main thing stopping me from saying, ah,
Speaker 4: nerds are going to nerd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I I think that's the priory reason that
Speaker 2: anybody would look at this, you know, if you're not
Speaker 2: looking at the rhetoric that's being put out there by
Speaker 2: like Cash Betel, FBI director and other people that are
Speaker 2: you know, just saying blatantly, yes, these are agro terrorists.
Speaker 2: That's what they were trying to do. That's it full stop.
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know. But if you're looking
Speaker 2: deeper in the story, you see that they're telling tales
Speaker 2: and maybe not to get the because they're in a relationship, right,
Speaker 2: so maybe they're trying to not implicate the other.
Speaker 5: But is there is there a scientifically valid reason for
Speaker 5: having this stuff?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: The research that can be conducted using this could save
Speaker 4: crops in the future. How that makes sense, Yeah, so
Speaker 4: there is there is a legit reason for that. As
Speaker 4: we're recording again, it's Monday, June ninth, the primary person,
Speaker 4: the scholar, Yun Jing Jan, is getting or hearing. Her
Speaker 4: detention hearing postponed to June the thirteenth, so just a
Speaker 4: few days as we from our recording date. Now, the
Speaker 4: officials I love your point there, Matt. The officials on
Speaker 4: the FBI, the NSC, National Security Council, and others are saying,
Speaker 4: we think this is a rare but legitimate case of
Speaker 4: acro terrorism or as you were saying, no bio or
Speaker 4: eco terrorism, and they say it's again it's but it
Speaker 4: does happen, and we have to keep eyes on it.
Speaker 4: They found the fungus stashed in the boyfriend's backpack in
Speaker 4: Detroit Metro Airport, and that guy told the boyfriend said,
Speaker 4: I wanted this to conduct research for the University of Michigan,
Speaker 4: where my girlfriend works. And then there was a deeper search,
Speaker 4: right because they like the guy for some shenanigans. So
Speaker 4: the deeper research looks into his cell phone. Be careful
Speaker 4: what you save on your phone quotes. It shows that
Speaker 4: he has saved a document called twenty eighteen Plant pathogen
Speaker 4: Warfare under Changing climate Conditions.
Speaker 3: I don't love it.
Speaker 4: That's like your car gets pulled over, you got a
Speaker 4: trunk full of hammers. They search your phone and then
Speaker 4: the first thing they find is a scholarly paper on
Speaker 4: how to hit people with hammers.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yep? Not great?
Speaker 3: Not great.
Speaker 4: Also as people who have the simple Sabotage Field Manual
Speaker 4: on our phones, just be careful what you got on
Speaker 4: your phone.
Speaker 2: It's on my work computer.
Speaker 3: Ben great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at our search history is we're already the Internet
Speaker 4: version of face tattoos.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think the point about racism and prejudice sinophobia holds,
Speaker 4: but also what do we make of this acro terrorism is?
Speaker 3: For now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, relatively rare in the modern day, but we know
Speaker 4: that there have been corporate activities that were completely legal
Speaker 4: to mess with crops, like terminator seed lines, right ip
Speaker 4: shenanigans and so forth. Could this be an attempt to
Speaker 4: attack the crops of the United States? It seems a
Speaker 4: little convoluted.
Speaker 2: Well, and the if you they're okay, well, you tell me.
Speaker 2: What I have seen is a single image of the
Speaker 2: samples that were being smuggled in, which are four small
Speaker 2: baggies containing a tiny, tiny sample, which is theoretically all
Speaker 2: you need to grow a fungus, right, Sure, to make
Speaker 2: lots and lots of more of it, but it does
Speaker 2: feel like a clunky way to get the party started.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna do, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna go widespread with this thing.
Speaker 4: Right, because you'd have to have a safe environment medium
Speaker 4: to grow at it to larger numbers and baggies of
Speaker 4: unidentified plant matter. Come on, dude at an airport traveling internationally,
Speaker 4: look not to be hateful. I know everybody has their
Speaker 4: first day at work, right, everybody has their first rodeo
Speaker 4: at some point, but that is day one stuff, you guys.
Speaker 2: Well, just in our discussions of diplomatic pouches. How easy
Speaker 2: would it be to have that in a diplomatic pouch
Speaker 2: if you're if you really meant business.
Speaker 4: Right, so much easier. That's a great point. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you could do it in larger amounts. You would not
Speaker 4: be subject to the same sort of rigorous investigation. I try,
Speaker 4: I think we all try to see the good in people.
Speaker 3: It is quite possible that this was just research. We
Speaker 3: do know that the.
Speaker 4: Chinese government has pressured academics in the past and presently
Speaker 4: uh into acts of tradecraft, surveillance or info gathering, but
Speaker 4: often they're doing so without the consent of those nationals.
Speaker 4: And if you start looking in the right places, you
Speaker 4: will see a lot of stories about that in.
Speaker 3: The United States.
Speaker 4: So it's quite possible, Jack Ramathan, that these people got
Speaker 4: that these folks got caught up in a an active
Speaker 4: state sponsored prejudice against Chinese nationals. Yet nothing occurs in
Speaker 4: a vacuum. So this is a good question. I don't know,
Speaker 4: is this worth doing an episode on you guys?
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And just looking at where the University of Michigan is located,
Speaker 2: you know, right there in Michigan, where You've got Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa,
Speaker 2: just going through there and if you look at the map,
Speaker 2: guess what's there farmland? Guess what they're growing there? Corn?
Speaker 2: Mostly right, and you can just see it as a
Speaker 2: potential major thing. Yeah, it does make me wonder if
Speaker 2: the University of Michigan, like under the cover of a
Speaker 2: student working in a laboratory, would that function for legitimate
Speaker 2: spy purposes and agrotarism purposes like state sponsored level services?
Speaker 2: Would that be functional?
Speaker 3: I mean, we've done it before, for sure, it's not.
Speaker 4: The thing is possible does not equal definite, you know,
Speaker 4: and we would need to understand more about the case.
Speaker 4: The reason this would make a good episode is we
Speaker 4: need to know where John was traveling. We need to
Speaker 4: have all like the colms between there, you know, we
Speaker 4: need to know a lot more about the boyfriend. We
Speaker 4: need to know where they gather the substance, right, and
Speaker 4: we need to know you know, if well we were,
Speaker 4: if we were those folks who got jammed up, then
Speaker 4: one of the smartest things we could do, in addition
Speaker 4: to lawyering up, is prove the case that we had
Speaker 4: legitimate research. Because skirting red tape, so you can publish
Speaker 4: your paper so you can advance your career. That's way
Speaker 4: different from saying, hey, I'm going to wreck Iowa for.
Speaker 5: Sure, you know, not great suspicious and may well make
Speaker 5: people like you for the for the crime part of
Speaker 5: it all. I mean, I guess it's technically a crime
Speaker 5: your your you know, being dishonest to authorities, but it
Speaker 5: just I just think it could cause some pretty gnarly
Speaker 5: scrutiny on you and then out you, and then also
Speaker 5: wreck your academic career if you are doing it for
Speaker 5: that reason.
Speaker 4: Right right, And even if you're not, it's still smuggling totally,
Speaker 4: even if the argument is a greater good and to
Speaker 4: exercise empathy. Look, folks, we're from the US.
Speaker 3: We get it.
Speaker 4: All of us at some point have awakened in the
Speaker 4: night and thought I should destroy Iowa. It's just most
Speaker 4: of us haven't done the day of the caucus.
Speaker 3: Just you know, Matt's laughing because he thought about it.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, sure, driving through it. This place must go.
Speaker 3: There he is.
Speaker 4: That's the Doctor Doom origin story. We're going to have
Speaker 4: more on this in the future.
Speaker 5: Any islands out there were joking, we love yes, of course.
Speaker 4: Any Island's out there, Nola's joke. We're we're gonna go
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