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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Andrew the

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Speaker 4: try Force Howard. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Folks,

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Speaker 4: we're back. You can call it a comeback because we

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Speaker 4: are indeed literally coming back. If you are tuning into

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Speaker 4: our listener mail segment the evening it publishes, let us

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Speaker 4: be the first to welcome you to June twelfth, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. Guys, the twenty twenty five is almost halfway.

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Speaker 3: Over, right, thank god? Think so? Yeah, Yeah, you's got

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to drink as much of this Sprite Tea

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Speaker 2: as I possibly can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's a verdict? Is it better than Sprite dream

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Speaker 3: or whatever?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's way better than I expected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Here's the only problem. This is a kind of a

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Speaker 2: regular bottle of Sprite Tea or plus tea has two

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty calories in the sucker. So over the

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Speaker 2: course of like three days, I've had this much. As

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Speaker 2: you can see, it's about how.

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Speaker 3: The carbonation holding.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's just and lemon now, so it's it's

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Speaker 2: basically an Arnold palm whatever they call this, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For your health, Arnold Palmer. There we go.

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Speaker 4: It's a formerly fizzy Arnold Palmer.

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Speaker 5: This point is just Arnold Palmer here, Yeah, which is great.

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Speaker 3: Never thought about this Sprite.

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Speaker 5: It's just fizzy lemonade, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That is what it is, lemon eight.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, it's.

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Speaker 3: We gotta move on before Big Sprite gets us.

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Speaker 4: We're going to We're going to explore a lot of

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Speaker 4: fantastic correspondence. As is are remit we cannot get to everything.

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Speaker 4: So if you have written to us or given us call,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to join us. Next week we will

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Speaker 4: welcome you on to the show. What we're gonna do

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Speaker 4: tonight is talk about cattle mutilations and old fascination of

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Speaker 4: our show. We're going to get into some great conversation

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Speaker 4: about our recent episodes on Breaking Physics. We're going to

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Speaker 4: talk about Chinese agro terrorism, some super soldier notes. But

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Speaker 4: before we do any of that, we got really into

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Speaker 4: dreams again and made the decision as a crew that

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Speaker 4: we actively want to encourage all our fellow listeners to

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Speaker 4: tell us about their dream especially the weird ones that

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Speaker 4: maybe science can't yet explain. So what do you say, guys,

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Speaker 4: break for word from our sponsors, and then we'll see

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Speaker 4: what dreams may come. Yes, I'm not we're not cutting it.

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Speaker 4: We're keeping that bad joke.

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Speaker 5: And we're back. And you know what, I really reject

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Speaker 5: to this notion that nobody wants to hear about people's dreams.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys heard this?

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Speaker 5: Like this is sort of a thing where it's like

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Speaker 5: it's sort of meant to be sort of a burdensome

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Speaker 3: I've heard that. I disagree.

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Speaker 4: I think the discrepancy comes from an unfortunate thing where

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Speaker 5: And we already have entertained some tales of various listeners

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Speaker 5: refers to the idea of dream premonitions. So two fab starts. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 5: you know I don't really comment often because of my job,

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Speaker 5: You often hear about artists and musicians that you claim

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of sense. It's cool that you can

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Speaker 5: do that, too Fab. This is something I've always done

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Speaker 5: I have zero clue why that came to me, or

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Speaker 5: be extremely rare, since if lucid dreams are the key

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Speaker 5: your own life may make you stay within your normal

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Speaker 5: Keep up a great work too, fab fa Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, thank you for the detail

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah two, fab, thank you again for the excellent correspondence.

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Speaker 4: to with some pretty fascinating physics. But I'm with you too, Fab.

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Speaker 2: Well, I, like Ben, have got some weird dream stuff

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Speaker 2: Right? Is it a projection? And you know there there

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Speaker 2: as an individual conscious thing, are actually projecting our own

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Speaker 5: But it feels like we're reacting to something. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Because that the part that we call magic art that

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Speaker 4: Do you have to even if you know something works?

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Speaker 4: The world is so amazing that understanding it makes it

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Speaker 5: Magical, and not all scientists or atheists. I think that's

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Speaker 4: I think that's a beautiful point, and I agree with

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Speaker 4: If this is for us, this is for you two

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Speaker 4: We're interested in your thoughts as well. If some entity

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: It's a no for me, dude, I think I don't

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Speaker 2: That's a big let's go for me, okay, but more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, because because if that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah on one or the other, if not both, well

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Speaker 5: And please tell me your dreams, whatever the scenario, and

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we are jumping to a message

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Speaker 2: from goat to discuss mutilations of animals cattle in particular,

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Speaker 6: This is Goat. I have the solution for you for

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Speaker 6: the animal mutilations, cattle mutilations specifically, but it's a much

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Speaker 6: going to see where the new labs are is about

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Speaker 6: five percent of the background radiation in the fish livers.

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Speaker 6: That's what we saw. And you can actually get paid

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Speaker 6: That's pretty much the story. We got paid. I think

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Speaker 6: it's been real. So you.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Electro fishing, Can I just put that out there right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is incredible?

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Speaker 6: Goat?

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Speaker 2: Uh what is electro fishing?

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Speaker 4: Electro fishing is where you use DC electricity.

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Speaker 2: To stun a fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's only stunned.

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Speaker 4: You've got a submerged cathode and anode. It's still safer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you use.

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Speaker 5: Is this like a very DIY process or is there

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Speaker 4: For it's component in science, because if you do it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just stun and pick them up, take a

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Speaker 3: And put much radiation.

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't kill him dead.

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Speaker 5: It would literally just knock him out. It seems like

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Speaker 5: it would kill him.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it doesn't have.

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Speaker 5: To kill Okay, it can be a low a low shot.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at pictures of backpack stun fishing stuff, so

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Speaker 2: you can just submerge it and then stun the fish.

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Speaker 2: Grab it up, take a little sample, put it right back.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible.

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Speaker 4: I love the stun boats of those of real life.

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Speaker 4: I was not participant in it. Yeah, it's absolutely it's weird.

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Speaker 4: It's like jack skeletons. Yeah, they go out over other

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Speaker 2: Dude, bad ass. Goat.

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Speaker 4: Also, Goat, Oh Matt, If it's okay with you, I'd

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Speaker 3: Is that okay? Sure? All right?

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Speaker 4: So, through another side quest with roots in East Tennessee

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Speaker 4: and in my family of old, met the official historian

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he'd love to speak with you, Goat. So,

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Speaker 4: if it's okay with everybody, follow up in this correspondence,

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Speaker 4: drop us your email when you have a chance, and

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Speaker 4: we will. We'll connect you directly with this guy. I

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Speaker 4: think you would love to share some stories with each other.

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Speaker 4: Heck yeah, if you don't already know Ray again, Ray's

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Speaker 2: Sounds good. Heck yeah, Friends, for life. We're just made

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Speaker 2: on the show Ray and Goat. Oakridge guy, isn't there boys?

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Speaker 5: Isn't there like a bluegrass outfit called the Oakreage?

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Speaker 6: Boy?

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Speaker 5: I swear there isn't They could be Oakridge Boys as Honestly,

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Speaker 5: I liked your song, Matt.

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Speaker 2: But this is really cool stuff, guys, just the you know,

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Speaker 2: look code. We're not saying you're wrong here or you're

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Speaker 2: telling tales. It's just like stating it so matter of

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Speaker 3: Was it cheeks?

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Speaker 5: Thalamous?

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Speaker 2: Stomach ascending it?

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Speaker 5: Did I miss the significance of the parts?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Therein is a bag of awful badger's O F F

441
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Speaker 4: al Because this will this will potentially explain some of

442
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Speaker 4: the cattle mutilation phenomena and goat as I'm sure you

443
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Speaker 4: and I would agree here. It doesn't need to explain

444
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: all of it to be valid. The skeptical answer will

445
00:23:53,880 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: typically be hey, given the remote population right of cattle,

446
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Speaker 4: there is a clear probability right, that some of these

447
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: cattle expire through natural causes or through predation, and if

448
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: they're left out there and they're undiscovered, then scavengers are

449
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: always going to go for the soft spots of the carcass.

450
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Speaker 4: And that is where you see what looks like specific

451
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Speaker 4: removal of organs now goat. That's obviously not what we're

452
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 4: talking about here, but what I'm saying or positing, and

453
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Speaker 4: I think we can all agree on this, I hope,

454
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Speaker 4: is that there are multiple explanations for cattle mutilation, and

455
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Speaker 4: one existing does not make the others impossible. They are

456
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Speaker 4: not mutually exclusive. There are a lot of cattle out

457
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: there and there are a lot of things that can

458
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Speaker 4: happen to them. I think we should also thank everybody

459
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 4: else who wrote in on our classic episode of cattle mutilations.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, undred percent, thanks so much, y'all. Not every cattle

461
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: mutilation is made equally. That's something that we found over

462
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: the years. There are these more surgical looking, you know,

463
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: removal of all of the guts and the parts that

464
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: would be easily testable for like radiation accumulation. But then

465
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: there are other ones, as as Ben is describing where

466
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: something went in through the eyes and the mouth and

467
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: the butt basically and all the parts back there, the

468
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: soft tissues. But it is it isn't as perfectly like

469
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Speaker 2: a perfect cut out of the side of a cow,

470
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Speaker 2: which we have seen. We have seen evidence of that stuff, right.

471
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Speaker 4: The diamond shape incisions on the undercarriage, like some of that, some.

472
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Speaker 2: Of that's weird, right, and where this kind of thing

473
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Speaker 2: would be an explanation, But man.

474
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Speaker 5: Diamond shaped, and that makes me think of you remember

475
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 5: that part in Signs of the Lambs where he's like,

476
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 5: was she a big fat woman, big fat person? The

477
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 5: skin that was being removed from the victims in that

478
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 5: diamond shaped and it was because they were being used

479
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 5: to make like clothing, they're being used to stitch together.

480
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's just just occurred to me. I wonder

481
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Speaker 5: if there's an alien serial killer.

482
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Speaker 3: On the loose.

483
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but we'd love to hear from the

484
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: do O D or the Atomic Energy Watch you might

485
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: call it. That would be really awesome. I really love.

486
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 5: It. We'd love to hear the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, probably

487
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 5: Atomic Energy Commission.

488
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Speaker 2: That's the back in the day one. Yeah, yeah, Well,

489
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: if you do want to write to us. You you'll

490
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: get our number and our email and everything at the

491
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: end of this, so just stay tuned and then contact us.

492
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back.

493
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Speaker 7: Thanks so much, goat, And we've returned with a with

494
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Speaker 7: a couple of brief core pieces of correspondence work corresponding

495
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Speaker 7: sees if you want to be that guy at.

496
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Speaker 4: A party, and we're gonna start maybe this way, guys,

497
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: let's talk a little bit about Super Soldiers. I think

498
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: we all found our Super Soldier update episode illuminating, terrifying,

499
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 4: a little disquieting. We all walked away with some opinions

500
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: on genetic modification and exoskeletons, and we also we also

501
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: strongly implied the idea that war may evolve past human

502
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: war fighters. This is our first message for this part. Hey, guys,

503
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: call me Clever in you window, huge fan. I'm sure

504
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: you've had plenty other veterans right in saying about the

505
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: same things regarding your update on Super Soldiers or SS.

506
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 4: I don't love that one, Clever in your Window, but

507
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: I get it.

508
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: You continue.

509
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: I spent ten years in the service and saw my

510
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: share of action, But more important to the conversation, I

511
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: had countless hours of training on sometimes awesome, sometimes over

512
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: hyped new technologies. The DoD that's our Department of Defense

513
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: here in the US, a hilarious name, obviously spends absurd

514
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 4: amounts of money on developing technologies that have potential to

515
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: be game changers on the battlefield. However, the application of

516
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: these aids frequently falls short, often due to the higher

517
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: ups wanting the benefits without forking over the dollars. That

518
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: is to say, they develop these sweet gadgets and then

519
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 4: roll them out as cheaply as possible. Sometimes that means

520
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 4: there are not enough to actually help. Sometimes they are

521
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: so shoddily built that they break immediately, or it's a

522
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: dollar store version of what's actually needed. So while I

523
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: do believe some super soldier stuff is in the works

524
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: and that one day it will actually be effective, I

525
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: think that day is far far away, but I hope

526
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: it's before Skydek goes live. Sorry this was long. Thanks

527
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: for all the content. Keep kicking ass, brothers, love you all.

528
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: Clever in your window, Thank you Clever. Brief brief clarification

529
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: there was I was referring, perhaps an error to some

530
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: other correspondence. We got about a world in which technology

531
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Speaker 4: advances such that you don't have humans on the battlefield.

532
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: I think that is also a salient point. But what

533
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: Clever is saying here is going to be familiar to

534
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: any veteran. We mentioned it, right, like rolling out stuff

535
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: before it's battle tested and just saying, oh, you know, Helliburton,

536
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: those guys gave us the cheapest per unit price, so

537
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: let's hope those planes stay in the air.

538
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: So they mean by field.

539
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Tested, right, Yeah, yes, especially with a lot of the

540
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: wearable gear that ends up being made of crazy cheap

541
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: materials because the government, you know, saw a way to

542
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: get it cheaper.

543
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: War profiteering, it's a real thing. People don't talk about

545
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: it in the West, maybe as often as we should.

546
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: But it reminds me of two fictional touch points, and

547
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: these may be familiar to veterans and to you as well.

548
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: Clever.

549
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: Remember that movie adaptation of the board game Clue. It

550
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 4: had no right to be as good as it is.

551
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: This was good, right, and it's fantastic. It made like

552
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: five Yeah you can see, I believe. Yeah, it's great.

553
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: It's the It's probably one of the best board game

554
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: adaptations out there.

555
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Battleship that oh god, you're right. Come on though,

556
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: is that? I mean, come on?

557
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: Like master, I want to see candy Land the movie.

558
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: That seems like that's a missed opportunity.

559
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: I want to see Tim Burton direct candy Land the

560
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: movie or Verder Hearson.

561
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: Guys.

562
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

563
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: According to IMDb, candy Land is a movie. No, what's

564
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: from twenty two?

565
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 6: Oh?

566
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: Well that was the before times?

567
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 5: Was it the I've never heard nor hear of this?

568
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Directed by John swa.

569
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be bowl like that. Well, okay,

570
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: it good. I'm gonna guess no what the reason.

571
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: I'm bringing up clue is that, if you'll recall spoilers

572
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: three to one spoilers, one of the people I believe

573
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: it may be the Colonel Mustard character is villainized and

574
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: exposed as a war profiteer and people died because he

575
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: was cracking corrupt government contracts to put stuff out for

576
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: a very low price point. We also see another example

577
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: of this in Oh Gosh, Oh the Boys, Remember the

578
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: graphic novel The Boys thought International.

579
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: Show wasn't half bad? And there was also a Nicholas

580
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 5: Cage movie where he played a war profiteer. It was

581
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: called Like.

582
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: The God, War God, something.

583
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 5: It was exactly it was. It was about the very

584
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: thing that you're talking about.

585
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: Oh man, war profiteering adaptations.

586
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: There's shades of it, but I mean, at the end

587
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 5: of the day, it's just about prising profits over you know,

588
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: anything else.

589
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

590
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and QP people unsafe, you know, putting them in

591
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: situations that are more unsafe than they already were. You know,

592
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen a ton with us in podcasting. What

593
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: a weird and not good comparison. But if we get

594
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: a bad mic, we will just move a recording.

595
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: Right.

596
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: If these folks get bad instrumentation, then people die, you know.

597
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: And that point about new technology as as you made

598
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 4: it mat the the wearables, right, which often have not

599
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: been tested in these harrowing environments, they will directly lead

600
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: to death if they malfunction or if they're cheaply made.

601
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: You know, you don't want the TMU version of the HUD.

602
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, or they'll just end up sitting in boxes

603
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: at a forward operating base because the soldiers all decide, well,

604
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: let's just not.

605
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: No, not that one, you know what I mean, We'll

606
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: do it live with the stuff we know.

607
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: Works, Yeah, like eyes and you know, ears and stuff.

608
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: We also want to thank all the people, the veterans

609
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: and currently serving members of various militaries and armed forces

610
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: who wrote in talking about the same future of the

611
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: super soldier. Does a world exist wherein there are no

612
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: human soldiers?

613
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: Right? And what does human mean in this context? It's

614
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Speaker 3: on the way.

615
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: Maybe we can share more of that in the future,

616
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: but for now we're going to a brief piece of

617
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Speaker 4: correspondence that may prompt an episode. This comes to us

618
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: from our friend. Oh, we're going to do our best.

619
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Speaker 4: We want all hands on deck for this one.

620
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Speaker 3: Guys.

621
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm Jack warmar Fad, Jack grubmuffin, Jack braahma than

622
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Speaker 4: nailed times. Oh thanks bro, Yeah.

623
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Speaker 3: One of those.

624
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: Okay, uh Jay, we're gonna say it for sure, uh

625
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: jequealing present. Uh So you wrote to us and you

626
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: said Below is a link to the news story about

627
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: possible agro terrorism by Chinese nationals. I'd love to hear

628
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: you guys dive into this. I'm sure there's much more

629
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: to this story. I'm also curious as to if we

630
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 4: have similar supplies of the same fungus in US labs.

631
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Speaker 4: Feel free to use my email call me Jacqua Ramafan,

632
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: Jack Ramafan, if you can, I don't know, I don't know.

633
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: One of them might be right. So thank you for

634
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: our Thank you for barry with us there. Uh guys,

635
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: I think we all heard about this story. We may

636
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 4: have talked about it a little bit offline in other chats,

637
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: but a University of Michigan scholar and her paramore were

638
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: arrested for attempting to smuggle a fungus called Fusarium gramminarium

639
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: into the.

640
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 5: United States because it's because it was.

641
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: So fun to say TSA was like, hang on a

642
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: rhyming fungus, Let me get a go at it. So

643
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: it's a It's a strain, a dangerous strain of a

644
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: common fungus. It can infect wheat, rice, other cereal grains.

645
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: If you want to read more about it, are Palja

646
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 4: linked us to a great series of articles. We've got

647
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 4: some more to recommend, but start with the Detroit News

648
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: by Carol Thompson. This was published June third of this

649
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: month and this year. The concern is that this fungus,

650
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: when deployed, it can wreak havoc on crops. It can

651
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 4: cause men's damage. It can make those grains not just

652
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 4: dangerous for the animals eating them, but it can also

653
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: prevent their growth, and it can make and dangerous for

654
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Speaker 4: humans to consume.

655
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Speaker 5: Like an ergot situation. I was just thinking about that concept.

656
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Speaker 2: It's not it's bad, it's gnarly fusarium head blight.

657
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, in case he didn't have another thing to worry.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like a status effect in an RPG or

659
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Speaker 5: like in like turn based.

660
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Speaker 2: Well it ben you know that you mentioned the main

661
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: ones that infects but also gets maize or corn and

662
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: which if you're thinking about it in the United States

663
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: and the primary crops that we've talked about on this show.

664
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Speaker 2: It infects the main growing crops besides, I think soy.

665
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about soy, but.

666
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: It does a number on them too. It's bad.

667
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 4: If you get fusarium head blight, then congratulations.

668
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: You're wheat. That is a disease for wheat.

669
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: But if you are a human animal and you're in

670
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 4: the whole, you know you're doing the human thing, then

671
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: you should know that this fun can cause vomiting, liver damage,

672
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: and reproductive issues. It especially can touch pigs. So look,

673
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 4: here's the case we want to we want to approach

674
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: this rationally without alarmism. We do want to give you

675
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: some facts. You should know the people who are arrested.

676
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: There's a thirty three ye rule. This is the scholar

677
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: Yun qing Jan and her boyfriend Jun Yong Liu is

678
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: they're like thirty three and thirty four.

679
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: And the issue is why.

680
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: They would purposely bring this to the US. It already

681
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: exists in the US and any number of labs. It

682
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: seems right now that the federal government is accusing them

683
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: of possible agro terrorism, using this fungus as a biological

684
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: weapon to.

685
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: Attack the US's bread.

686
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: So agro terrorism versus eco terrorism or two different concepts.

687
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha.

688
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a VENN diagram. That's a great question. But

689
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 4: the thing is this already existed in the US, as

690
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: we said, it reached epidemic levels in the nineteen nineties,

691
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: and it's screwed with crop yields, which messes with crops

692
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: in the future, messes with the price point of maize

693
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 4: and wheat and so on.

694
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Speaker 3: It is.

695
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, it is easy to especially in times

696
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: of sinophobia, it's easy to accuse these folks of being

697
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: super villains or something. But it's also quite plausible that

698
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: they were just trying to get around the red tape.

699
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 4: Like you can bring this into the US and things

700
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: like it, you have to go through a pretty rigorous

701
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: evaluation period when you ship this stuff, because it is living,

702
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: it can die in transit while you're waiting to get

703
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: through all the bureaucracy. So logically you could say, hey,

704
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: I need this for my research. I'm just going to

705
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: bring it in Like those people who always get caught

706
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: with a bunch of animals in their pants, you know,

707
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: like snakes and parrots.

708
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 5: There was an ant situation, was a huge ant situation.

709
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

710
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: My first question for you guys here is why did

711
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: they lie to the FBI when they got caught. That's

712
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: the that's the main thing stopping me from saying, ah,

713
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: nerds are going to nerd.

714
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I I think that's the priory reason that

715
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: anybody would look at this, you know, if you're not

716
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: looking at the rhetoric that's being put out there by

717
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: like Cash Betel, FBI director and other people that are

718
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, just saying blatantly, yes, these are agro terrorists.

719
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: That's what they were trying to do. That's it full stop.

720
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know. But if you're looking

721
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: deeper in the story, you see that they're telling tales

722
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: and maybe not to get the because they're in a relationship, right,

723
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: so maybe they're trying to not implicate the other.

724
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 5: But is there is there a scientifically valid reason for

725
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: having this stuff?

726
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

727
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: The research that can be conducted using this could save

728
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: crops in the future. How that makes sense, Yeah, so

729
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: there is there is a legit reason for that. As

730
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: we're recording again, it's Monday, June ninth, the primary person,

731
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: the scholar, Yun Jing Jan, is getting or hearing. Her

732
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: detention hearing postponed to June the thirteenth, so just a

733
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Speaker 4: few days as we from our recording date. Now, the

734
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Speaker 4: officials I love your point there, Matt. The officials on

735
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: the FBI, the NSC, National Security Council, and others are saying,

736
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: we think this is a rare but legitimate case of

737
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: acro terrorism or as you were saying, no bio or

738
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: eco terrorism, and they say it's again it's but it

739
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: does happen, and we have to keep eyes on it.

740
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: They found the fungus stashed in the boyfriend's backpack in

741
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: Detroit Metro Airport, and that guy told the boyfriend said,

742
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: I wanted this to conduct research for the University of Michigan,

743
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: where my girlfriend works. And then there was a deeper search,

744
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: right because they like the guy for some shenanigans. So

745
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: the deeper research looks into his cell phone. Be careful

746
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: what you save on your phone quotes. It shows that

747
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: he has saved a document called twenty eighteen Plant pathogen

748
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: Warfare under Changing climate Conditions.

749
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't love it.

750
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: That's like your car gets pulled over, you got a

751
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: trunk full of hammers. They search your phone and then

752
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: the first thing they find is a scholarly paper on

753
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 4: how to hit people with hammers.

754
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

755
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Yep? Not great?

756
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 3: Not great.

757
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 4: Also as people who have the simple Sabotage Field Manual

758
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: on our phones, just be careful what you got on

759
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 4: your phone.

760
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: It's on my work computer.

761
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: Ben great.

762
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, at our search history is we're already the Internet

763
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 4: version of face tattoos.

764
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

765
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: I think the point about racism and prejudice sinophobia holds,

766
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: but also what do we make of this acro terrorism is?

767
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: For now?

768
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, relatively rare in the modern day, but we know

769
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: that there have been corporate activities that were completely legal

770
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 4: to mess with crops, like terminator seed lines, right ip

771
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: shenanigans and so forth. Could this be an attempt to

772
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: attack the crops of the United States? It seems a

773
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: little convoluted.

774
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: Well, and the if you they're okay, well, you tell me.

775
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: What I have seen is a single image of the

776
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: samples that were being smuggled in, which are four small

777
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: baggies containing a tiny, tiny sample, which is theoretically all

778
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: you need to grow a fungus, right, Sure, to make

779
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: lots and lots of more of it, but it does

780
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: feel like a clunky way to get the party started.

781
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: If you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna do, if

782
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna go widespread with this thing.

783
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: Right, because you'd have to have a safe environment medium

784
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: to grow at it to larger numbers and baggies of

785
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: unidentified plant matter. Come on, dude at an airport traveling internationally,

786
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 4: look not to be hateful. I know everybody has their

787
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: first day at work, right, everybody has their first rodeo

788
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: at some point, but that is day one stuff, you guys.

789
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, just in our discussions of diplomatic pouches. How easy

790
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: would it be to have that in a diplomatic pouch

791
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: if you're if you really meant business.

792
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 4: Right, so much easier. That's a great point. Yeah, and

793
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: you could do it in larger amounts. You would not

794
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: be subject to the same sort of rigorous investigation. I try,

795
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: I think we all try to see the good in people.

796
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: It is quite possible that this was just research. We

797
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: do know that the.

798
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 4: Chinese government has pressured academics in the past and presently

799
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: uh into acts of tradecraft, surveillance or info gathering, but

800
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: often they're doing so without the consent of those nationals.

801
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: And if you start looking in the right places, you

802
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 4: will see a lot of stories about that in.

803
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: The United States.

804
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 4: So it's quite possible, Jack Ramathan, that these people got

805
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 4: that these folks got caught up in a an active

806
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: state sponsored prejudice against Chinese nationals. Yet nothing occurs in

807
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: a vacuum. So this is a good question. I don't know,

808
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: is this worth doing an episode on you guys?

809
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, definitely.

810
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

811
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: And just looking at where the University of Michigan is located,

812
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: you know, right there in Michigan, where You've got Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa,

813
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: just going through there and if you look at the map,

814
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: guess what's there farmland? Guess what they're growing there? Corn?

815
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Mostly right, and you can just see it as a

816
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: potential major thing. Yeah, it does make me wonder if

817
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: the University of Michigan, like under the cover of a

818
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: student working in a laboratory, would that function for legitimate

819
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: spy purposes and agrotarism purposes like state sponsored level services?

820
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: Would that be functional?

821
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we've done it before, for sure, it's not.

822
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: The thing is possible does not equal definite, you know,

823
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: and we would need to understand more about the case.

824
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: The reason this would make a good episode is we

825
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 4: need to know where John was traveling. We need to

826
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 4: have all like the colms between there, you know, we

827
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: need to know a lot more about the boyfriend. We

828
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: need to know where they gather the substance, right, and

829
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: we need to know you know, if well we were,

830
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: if we were those folks who got jammed up, then

831
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: one of the smartest things we could do, in addition

832
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: to lawyering up, is prove the case that we had

833
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: legitimate research. Because skirting red tape, so you can publish

834
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 4: your paper so you can advance your career. That's way

835
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: different from saying, hey, I'm going to wreck Iowa for.

836
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 5: Sure, you know, not great suspicious and may well make

837
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 5: people like you for the for the crime part of

838
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 5: it all. I mean, I guess it's technically a crime

839
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 5: your your you know, being dishonest to authorities, but it

840
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: just I just think it could cause some pretty gnarly

841
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 5: scrutiny on you and then out you, and then also

842
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: wreck your academic career if you are doing it for

843
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: that reason.

844
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 4: Right right, And even if you're not, it's still smuggling totally,

845
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 4: even if the argument is a greater good and to

846
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: exercise empathy. Look, folks, we're from the US.

847
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: We get it.

848
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: All of us at some point have awakened in the

849
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: night and thought I should destroy Iowa. It's just most

850
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: of us haven't done the day of the caucus.

851
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: Just you know, Matt's laughing because he thought about it.

852
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, sure, driving through it. This place must go.

853
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: There he is.

854
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: That's the Doctor Doom origin story. We're going to have

855
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: more on this in the future.

856
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: Any islands out there were joking, we love yes, of course.

857
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: Any Island's out there, Nola's joke. We're we're gonna go

858
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: doctivigate ourselves, perhaps to Iowa, perhaps the points beyond. Thanks

859
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: to Clever and Nuendo, Thanks to Jacquesramaphon, Thanks to the Goat,

860
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: thanks to two Fab one shout out if we could

861
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: do it really quickly. Wrongful Conviction, a show that we

862
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: have partnered with in the past, has a three part

863
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: interview with the legendary activist Leonard Peltier. The third part

864
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: has not yet published, but the second part is out there.

865
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: They have me as a hired gun and part of

866
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: that interview. But if you enjoyed our episodes on the

867
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 4: American Indian movement in Peltier overall, please do check that out.

868
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 4: That's an important message in credible.

869
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 5: You got to do that and that's absolutely worth everyone's time.

870
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: Please do check it out.

871
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: And Ben it says you're the new co host. That's amazing.

872
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, we have.

873
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: It's a mission that's important to a lot of us.

874
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: The American justice system is broken, is it irreparably broken?

875
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: Jury is still out, but there are a lot of

876
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: people who have been wrongfully convicted. There's a personal mission

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