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Speaker 1: the time. And uh man, So there's been such an

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Speaker 1: We thought we'd dropped part two for you very shortly after.

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Speaker 1: So look, there's a lot of things that we can

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Speaker 1: get into. UM. I've gotten a chance to see a

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Speaker 1: There's been so many bizarre results, and sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: my My My talk with Dan Munson, Dan's head coach

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Speaker 1: go back to when he was when he was at Gonzaga,

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Speaker 1: that's one with a really good coaches room. They have

425
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: the TV in there and everything, you know, and and

426
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: so uh and it really it was. It was a

427
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: great I'd have no regrets to that. I think you know, uh,

428
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: my wife might have a few, uh academically for him

429
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: because he wasn't challenged you know, early in his academic stuff.

430
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: But he doesn't. I mean, he's uh. It was a

431
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: great uh bonding for he and I and and for

432
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: him to uh just be a such a um not

433
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: sounding board but a reality check. You know. It's like, Okay,

434
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna lose his job, but look at what

435
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: I got here, you know, uh, And put put him

436
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: in his pajamas and put him on the plane, and

437
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: you know what, and and lay with him. You know,

438
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: when you couldn't sleep at night and you have him,

439
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: you know, in that king size bed in the in

440
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: the hotel room. Um, it just it, it did And

441
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: it's so great that you would remember that. But it's

442
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: a story I don't tell very often. How how have

443
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: you emotionally handled the golod Zaga thing? Right? Because outwardly

444
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: and it's not like you have any negativity, but like

445
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there's the time in which ago

446
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: that could have been me like this? Have you always

447
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: watched their games, their highlights? Do you have you have

448
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: you gone through the the different Um? Is it the

449
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: five stages? Right? They just a grief or whatever? Yeah? Yeah,

450
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 1: Like how do you how have you dealt with morning? Uh?

451
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think I've dealt with it

452
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: pretty good because, uh, they've made they've made it good

453
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: for me, you know. I mean they've made me feel

454
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: a part of it. Uh. Um and uh Mark and

455
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I are such close friends. Um has made it good,

456
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But I'll never forget. And two thousand seventeen,

457
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: when I went to the and to answer your question,

458
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: I watch every game I choose for I watch every highlight.

459
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of spoil I'm like, okay, they're up

460
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: to twenty five. I might turn it off now, but

461
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: but for years, you know, and and uh um and

462
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: and and again those in those in those first couple

463
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: of years. Did you in this first couple of weeks? Yeah, yeah,

464
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: because I did you feel good? When did you feel

465
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: good when they won? I did? I did? But I

466
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: miss it, you know, I missed those guys. I mean

467
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: it was It's such the culture there is so unique

468
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: and that and the most amazing thing to me is

469
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: in twenty one years, that hasn't changed. And I didn't

470
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: really realize that until two thousand seventeen when I was

471
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: able to go with him at the final four. And

472
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: the interesting thing on that was is, you know, Mark

473
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: calls me after they win it to go the to

474
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: the tournament and uh or do you go to the

475
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: final four that next next Sunday morning? He said, you

476
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be there? Right. I'm like, hey, coach,

477
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: and when's the last time I haven't gone to the

478
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: final four? I know, the final four every year it's

479
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: just a bonus. Now this year I got you got

480
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: your team there? He said, no, no no, no, I mean

481
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna go with us, And I said, what are

482
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: you talking about? He said, well, here's the number to

483
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: our help people. Here's our number two, our ticket people. Um,

484
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: I said, I got a hotel. Coach, do you usually

485
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: worry about coaching the game? He goes, no, no, no,

486
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: you don't. You know, you're not getting what I'm saying.

487
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: He said, you need to be with us your and

488
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: and I said, uh. He said, you're gonna need an

489
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: extra hotel because your family needs to be there. I said,

490
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate that mark, but but my family wasn't even born.

491
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: When when my kids weren't even born when uh I

492
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: was at gonsg and he said, no, but they're born

493
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: into this family. And I get emotionally even talking about this.

494
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: But he he really made it, uh me feel like,

495
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, a part of it. And uh when I

496
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: got there, I'm like, okay, that was nice to him.

497
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: Now he's got a final four to go. And I

498
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: spent as much time with him, you know, that week

499
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: as as we were on vacation. I mean, he's like,

500
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: come on, we got films, come on, we got let's

501
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: go to practice, you know, and uh just made us

502
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: feel included. And he you could tell this brick by

503
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: brick thing that he said. You know, hey, you know,

504
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: you know this has been in the works for twenty years.

505
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: You know, he really meant it. He had a bus

506
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: for for all, for my family and his family and

507
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: another assistant coaches families, you know, so you know, we

508
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: had our own bus. We had a party for former players,

509
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, only film session. You know, one time he

510
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: invited all the players and of course the US coaches

511
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: for film session and I think he told us it

512
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: was at seven and had the team there, and when

513
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: we walked in, he the team gave us a standing

514
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: ovation and that culture of just thankful for the people,

515
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: be appreciated. Yeah, appreciate. It's all. It's all you can

516
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: ever ask for, is appreciated. He goes, let me, let

517
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: me give you. I'm gonna give it too few stories.

518
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: I have one that I've never told anyone, literally anyone

519
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: intel now, okay, until until this very moment. In my

520
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: first year of calling games for ESPN full time was

521
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and it was a two thousand to two

522
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: three and um two thousand three, two tho four. They

523
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: had a great team and I flew out, uh and

524
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: my my wife had told me that she was pregnant

525
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: like three weeks before something. We've been our first and

526
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: she had an ultrasound. When I was I had to

527
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: fly you know, from and at the time they moved

528
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: me to Connecticut, my secondary the movement to Connecticut, and

529
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: I had to fly like, you know, Hartford to Chicago. Chicago.

530
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: It might have been a double stop, right, spoken it's

531
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: not an easy place to get to. Um. I landed

532
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: and and all I heard I could barely hear audible

533
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: in her message that she the ultrasound, there was nothing inside,

534
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: it was empty sacks. She she was gonna have a mischarache.

535
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: And so I didn't know what to do. I called

536
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: her back and like, you know, because by the time

537
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: I would turn around and fly back, I missed the game. Um,

538
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: she probably would have already had the the procedure, right.

539
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, what do I do? And so

540
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I called my boss, the guy named Dance here, and

541
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I said, He's like, do whatever you want. And so

542
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: I was. I was literally at like a Gonzaga practice

543
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: and feel he comes over and he's like something wrong,

544
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I kind of told the story.

545
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: And he's like, is there anything I can do, and

546
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: I said, I just I don't know what to do.

547
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: He's like, well, look, this is way more important basketball.

548
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I want to fly home, fly home. Mind, I'll get

549
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you need and I'd like to get somebody to fill

550
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: in for you. It's like ESPN to late night game,

551
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: you know. So I go to the hotel and I

552
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: wasn't staying at the Davenport by the Way, which is

553
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: like this. At that time, they put me like some

554
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: marry out or something, and there's a blinking red line

555
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: the message and it's Marcy. And I never at Marcy

556
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: before ever, and she just said, it's Marcy, if you

557
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: could you call me? So I called her and she says, listen, Mark,

558
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: call me and if there's anything we can do at all,

559
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: She's like, why don't you come on for dinner. I'm alone.

560
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I went to the

561
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: house for dinner and it just couldn't be more kind,

562
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: just the kinship of and Mark and I were not

563
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: friends at the time, but they just were honest. Could

564
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: could not be better human beings to somebody who And

565
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm like in the middle of nowhere, lost, I don't

566
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: know anybody, you know, And she's so that's that's what.

567
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't fly back. I did the game, and

568
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: I you know, and has lodged my head. Was like,

569
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually make sense. It's not gonna make it

570
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: any better. So fast forward to a couple of years later,

571
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and they had a very good team and they played

572
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Texas Tech in the n c A turn and they

573
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: had the game one and they dagged it away and

574
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: it was I think it was in Tucson. And the

575
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: year four they had had that terrible seed against Wyoming

576
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: right there, like six in the country and got a

577
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: sixth seed. So the next year they've got a good seed.

578
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: They play Texas Deck and they get beat and so

579
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to wait. So I waited twenty four hours

580
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: and I call Mark and I can barely hear him,

581
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, man, you okay. It's like are

582
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: you okay? Yes? Yes, He's like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm

583
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: fly fishing. Do you want to call me later? It

584
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: was like, I just I'm calling to see if you're okay,

585
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Like it was a really he had the game. Yeah,

586
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: it's just a basketball game. I'm fine fishing with was

587
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: with my kids. I'll get back to that, like that's it.

588
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: So and to this day he's a guy, you know,

589
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: same guy. So it's really interesting, interesting on how level

590
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: he's been able to stay. And I do think it

591
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: makes his success and their success much more palatable for

592
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: those of us who I haven't a compised success and

593
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: you left what you had built behind, Yeah, I think

594
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's it's like when you get fired.

595
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, I'll never always appreciate Tubby Smith because uh,

596
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Tubby would did nothing but compliment how the program was left,

597
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's so easy for a guy

598
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: to blame everything on on that predecessor, you know. Uh

599
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and uh you know, um, and he wasn't that kind

600
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: of person and and and and it's not just Mark

601
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and and Mark is great obviously, I mean he makes

602
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: me feel a part of it, and he's gives me

603
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of credit, all that kind of thing. And

604
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: and certainly, you know, you have the wet if games,

605
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: but I don't have it much just because I'm able

606
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: to look at the rest of my life and go, look,

607
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I've got, you know, the experience in Minnesota, the experience there.

608
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I I've got nothing to complain about or

609
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: to be jealous of, you know, but it's not just

610
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Market Gonzega, it's that whole family. I mean, when you

611
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: go back there, I mean, uh, if you go by

612
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: going to the bagel shop there, you know, they'll thank

613
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: me for starting this, you know, whatever it is, uh,

614
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Mike Roth, Christina for the administration there, the priests, whoever

615
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: it is. You know, it's your You're you really are

616
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: still part of that family. I mean, and which which

617
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: reminds me I'd be remiss if I didn't. You know,

618
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: we talk about this, the that team and and everything,

619
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: and talk about Jeremy Eaton, who you know, was diagnosed

620
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: here in the last couple of weeks with stage four

621
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: rectal cancer and how everybody's rallying around him, who was

622
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: a part of that team, and and you know, I'm

623
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: trying to uh rally some stuff from here to send him.

624
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: And it's just really a sad thing. But it's the

625
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: way that the key heat I saw a thing. And

626
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I have not talked to him because I want to

627
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: wait and see what I was gonna do before. But

628
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I know Leon talked to him yesterday or the day before,

629
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: and I talked to Mark yesterday. He was going to

630
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: call him, but uh, they just mentioned it on the telecast.

631
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: Uh sean farmer, I think did on Saturday, and first

632
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: I had heard of it. But they gotta go to

633
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: me fund. It's already raised fifty grand you know, because

634
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: he didn't have insurance. And uh so you know the family,

635
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, we all put our hands in a huddle

636
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: and we're trying to replicate that at long the State

637
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: right now. But it's people put their hands on huddle

638
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: and say family at Gonzaga it is and you are

639
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: part of that family. Uh. Like Mark said before the

640
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Final four game, you know, Uh, I didn't know that

641
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: until I went back there that I would really feel like, yeah,

642
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: that but I'm not part of this. It's been twenty years.

643
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: But but I did feel it, you know, and and

644
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: that makes it so much easier to root for and

645
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: to be, you know, sit there in every game. My

646
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: my daughter is a freshman there. She she's on the

647
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: crew team and uh, she you know, just loves it.

648
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, when I'm talking to Mark yesterday,

649
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: how's how's Molly doing? She you know, get doing good

650
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: in the dorms. Is there anything she needs? You know,

651
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: it's it's still It's just really cool, that's all. It's cool.

652
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned some long beach and you've been long.

653
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: It's a long time. You do this thing where to

654
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: raise to raise money for the entire athlete department. You

655
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: guys just play a murderers row every year, right, Uh,

656
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: we have. We kind of scaled it back to last

657
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: year or two in the car, but it's like holy

658
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Town has a long contract because you kill. Um Uh,

659
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: what's what's unlike? What's what's what's that like for you too?

660
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: Because you've had twenty one seasons, you've had some very

661
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: good years. But how do you I guess here's the question,

662
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: and how do you how do you keep the kids

663
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: confident for when you get to the Big West when

664
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: they're taking those beatings in the Guarantee Games, Well at

665
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: first they weren't beatings at first. You know. The thing

666
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: is is that um uh, you know you're trying to

667
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: replicate at Gonzega and Gonzega. We played anybody anywhere. That's

668
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: how we got it going there, you know. We we

669
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: we added some more experienced older guys back then, guys

670
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: stayed in the program five years, you know. And uh,

671
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: and when I first got here guys were doing that too.

672
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: But but my first, my first game as a head coach,

673
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: my first Division one game was in Top of the

674
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: World Classic Gonzaga when we played Clemson, who was uh,

675
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Tulsa who had just come from the Sweet

676
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: sixteen a year before Bills. You know. That was my

677
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: first game Division one head coach, first Division one game, uh.

678
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: And we were at forty eight with five seconds left

679
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: and a half and they banked in a half court

680
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: shot to get to eleven, you know. And then we

681
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: played My second game was against Clemson who was fifth

682
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry Mississippi State. We won by three,

683
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: who was coming off a Final four appearance that year.

684
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: And then in the finals, Rick Barnes and Clemson, uh

685
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: was fifth in the country, and we won by thirteen,

686
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you know. And that's how you know, my career started.

687
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: And so you're trying to replicate that wherever you're at,

688
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: and so here at at Long Beach, you know, I

689
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: I was trying to replicate that. And and when we

690
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: had cast for Weare and Larry Anderson and T. J.

691
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Robinson and some fellows, you know, we won the league

692
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: three straight years. It wasn't murders row. We went in

693
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: one at Pittsburgh who had had at that time had

694
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: won fifty in a row at home with Jamie Dixon,

695
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: and and we're you know, went in there and snapped

696
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: that streak. You know, we beat U c l A,

697
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: we beat USC. We've got wins against two against Xavier,

698
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: you know in the thirteen years here we've uh you know, Stanford. Uh.

699
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: But but like you, you can you can pick off

700
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: one or two, but you play like the rest, right,

701
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: and so you're gonna you're gonna win one and they're

702
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna lose a couple. And I just how do you

703
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: And you're part of it is you're generally a very

704
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: positive you would be right. But I just those guys

705
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: with with YEA, with those guys with cask for and

706
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, they had that they thought they

707
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: belonged at USC, they thought they belonged to you with LA.

708
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: So I said, you come here and as part of

709
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: the recruiting, and we're gonna give you a chance to

710
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: prove it. We're gonna have we're gonna go play those guys,

711
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, And for a while there it was it

712
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: worked for recruiting, and it worked for the profile that

713
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, we get more TV and more more exposure

714
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But slowly, as as transfer

715
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: started happening in the last four or five years, it's

716
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of we we've we've had to scale back because,

717
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: like you said, it becomes a fine line of the

718
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: balance of their of their confidence. You know, all everybody

719
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: says they want to fight Mike Tyson until he hits him,

720
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, and so uh you know, uh, we kind

721
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: of got into that a little bit. Guys were saying

722
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: they wanted to, but but the body language on the

723
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: court didn't really come there. So we've scaled it back

724
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. And and but I'd like

725
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: to get to that. I mean, I that's always my

726
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: goal is to get long be stayed on on the

727
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: map as a as a you know, a power mid

728
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: major like Gonzegga is. You know, I think that's every

729
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: mid major dream is to be where Gonzegga is. So

730
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: you've been You're in Los Angeles County, right, and so

731
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: you've had you guys are practicing outside for how long?

732
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I think five weeks, six weeks? I mean, we we

733
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: didn't hit inside until October. Uh, maybe it was almost

734
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: November October twenty something maybe, uh, and then and then

735
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: we went on. We've been on. I've got certain kids

736
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: who have been quarantined four or five different times because

737
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: the school went on one and then uh, you know

738
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: players here there, I mean we we've probably practiced less

739
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: than than you know everybody, but maybe they have maybe

740
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: one or two out there. Because a little known fact

741
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: that I didn't know until till this pandemic is that

742
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: not l A County is obviously you know, Uh, the

743
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: pandemic has hit hard, and they're they've been very stringent

744
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: as they should be on on their protocols. But a

745
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: little known fact that that I didn't know, Uh, there's

746
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: two cities in l A County that have their own

747
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: health board and that's Pasadena and Long Beach. So we

748
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: not only have to bide by the l A County protocols,

749
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: we also have our own board of Long Beach we

750
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: have to go through. So it's been it's been very

751
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: um rewarding to see how much my guys love ball

752
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: because they that that has been tested. Um, what's what's that? Like?

753
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: The practice outside with the college and like you and

754
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: I we grew up like camp. You know, the big

755
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: kids always got to be inside and the older kids

756
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: were outside. But dudes do not. And I've held a

757
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: you stuff outside. Dudes do not like to be outside.

758
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: They just do not, no matter how much we grew

759
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: up playing pick up on the outside. I mean, every

760
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: twenty four fitness has a gym and now you're outside, Like,

761
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: what what is that like? For college? In the practice outside? Yeah,

762
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was so exciting the first day because

763
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: we hadn't done anything for um, you know, so long,

764
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: or even been together. I mean, I still have guys

765
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: on my team that have not been in my office.

766
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: I still have guys that are on my team that

767
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I've not been in our locker room. I mean, all

768
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: that stuff is still shut down. We go to practice,

769
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: they have a chair, they're like ten ft away from

770
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: anything else. They they changed their shoes there and it

771
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: practice over, they have to leave. I mean so, but

772
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: but the tennis courts was it sounded good and it

773
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: was exciting and everything, but they wouldn't they wouldn't let

774
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: you had to have your own ball. So you know,

775
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: you teach guys. You know you can't pass, you can't rebound,

776
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can't run. Offense. You know, we we

777
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: it was. It brought me back to my Don Munson

778
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: camp days of trying to entertain people outside and when

779
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: because MATC Court was only one gym and you know,

780
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: you have, as you said, all these kids, but but

781
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: it didn't go well for them. I mean, the first

782
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: day was super exciting until they found out what it was,

783
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: and then it became counterproductive, like some of these guys

784
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: are gonna opt out, which we had. We've had a

785
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: couple of opt outs, We've had some injuries. I mean.

786
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that I have never experienced in thirty

787
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: four years is is you know, we've we've practiced the

788
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: last three weeks until like two days ago, uh, with

789
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: with like seven guys because no, really i'd have you know,

790
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: former players come in and help or managers, but we don't.

791
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: We've only got one manager in a bubble we have

792
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: no former players are allowed. Nobody's allowed at our practices.

793
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: So when you get down to seven guys, you're literally

794
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: seven people out there trying to get better and you

795
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: can't go five on five. So it's been it's been

796
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: a challenge, uh for me professionally, but really for the

797
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: players just to mentally you know, stay with the game

798
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: and to try to improve and to try to understand,

799
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, how we're trying to play without really doing it.

800
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: And there's no real film to watch because you know,

801
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: you don't even have a scrimmage. You know, we played

802
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: seven games this year. Well, normally, before we ever play

803
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: a game, we have three scrimmage tapes. We have a

804
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Black and Gold game, and two scrimmages against other teams.

805
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: That's six films are six quote unquote you know practice

806
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: games before we ever hit the court. We had none

807
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: of those this year. Um yeah, but you gotta to

808
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: start losing these back to back, right, your three luck

809
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: conver sauces. That's a crazy thing, Right when you play

810
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: a game, you're like, hey, you like that. We gotta

811
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: go play him again. What's it like, challenge challenge wise,

812
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: that's gotta be kind of interesting in terms of something new.

813
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Playing the same team back to back nights. Yeah, yeah,

814
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: we we've actually we had last week's canceled so we

815
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: didn't have to split, but but we we uh split

816
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: with Bakersfield. We won the first night, uh in overtime,

817
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and then lost the second day, and then we did

818
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: the same thing UH at we won the first night

819
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: by a couple and then lost in overtime with them,

820
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, you you're trying to tell them, Hey,

821
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: it's it's for us to get the n c A Tournament.

822
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: We've got to go back to back to back. We

823
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: gotta win three days. But but mentally and physically, they're

824
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: not in shape for back to back. You know, it's

825
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: no excuse because neither the other team. But but but

826
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: some of these teams have have had more you know,

827
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: are in better shape, and we just haven't. And that's

828
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: the other thing. How are you gonna how are you

829
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: going to get have a physic goal rebounding practice with

830
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: seven guys because you know when you do that, you're

831
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna lose at least one or two. So now you're

832
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: gonna you're willing to go to five. Now when you're

833
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: at thirteen, you know, Okay, we're gonna you know, we're

834
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna get after today. We might get down a guy

835
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: or two, but we're gonna be okay. So it's been

836
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: a fine line. Uh, it's been but like everything else,

837
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, like going through what I did in Minnesota,

838
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, like the positive side

839
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: of it is is is you know, this is a

840
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: life life experience, and this is a once in a

841
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: lifetime thing that hopefully we'll never have to experience again.

842
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I I don't want to go through it again, but

843
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the best of it. And and and

844
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: you know you can. You know your characters being challenged,

845
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Speaker 1: your you know, your your frame of mind and everything.

846
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: And we have to make the best of it. And

847
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: how lucky are we through this pandemic that our schools

848
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: investing all these three tests a week, all this money

849
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: for us, They're not making anything on a gate or

850
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: TV or anything else that for our guys to have

851
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: this experience through the pandemic to try to try to

852
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: have a basketball season, and we just have to look

853
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: at the positive of it. Um. Okay, last thing, I

854
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: heard Eli Manning say this once. He had one like

855
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: terrible season with it lad the league interceptions. And he

856
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: was doing an interview and I was living in New

857
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: York at the time, and it was with the local station,

858
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm a better quarterback now than I

859
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: was when we won a Super Bowl. Just you know,

860
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I have all these interceptions, right, And and to me,

861
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: it was the something you know in athletics, like you're

862
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: a better coach now than you were when you're at Gonzaka,

863
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Right so, but but trying to convince something that, well,

864
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: then how could be well when there's many games, like,

865
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things that have to magically

866
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: come together. Okay, So if I were to ask you,

867
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: in your heart of hearts, what do you do way

868
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: better now than you ever did early in your career?

869
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Understand my players understand what they're they're They're gonna put

870
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: myself in their shoes. You know, how do you you

871
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: do that? Well? I again, I think you've got to

872
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: spend time with them, and you have to you have

873
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: to listen to them. You know, I still had when

874
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: when I was at Gonzaga, I still had a you know,

875
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: more of my dad and fits and that in me

876
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: where Okay, there's there's just one way to do it

877
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: and and and they've got to They've got to do

878
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: it this way. You know, if you're going to be successful,

879
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: you gotta get them all on the same page. And

880
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: it's got to be your page. Now. You I just

881
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: think I I'm you know, and yet you know, if

882
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: if I could survive, you know, and and go back

883
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: to that and and and do that with my players

884
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: now we would probably win more games. But uh, it's

885
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: not the right way to do it, you know. And

886
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean you see a few people

887
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick still doing it that way and and

888
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: people like that, uh Nick Saban. But um, I think

889
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: I think that I think that better than I think.

890
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Some of it is the outward image that they because

891
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: I've heard that Belichick when you get to know him,

892
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: is awesome, and I've saving kind of much the much

893
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the same way. Um. But but yes, there there is something.

894
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: There's a it's it's never all the one right. The

895
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: players cannot You have to be a leader, but there

896
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: is a different way in which you have to they

897
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: Here's here's why I have just a thought for you.

898
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: I think they so badly want to be heard and recognized,

899
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: and that's why they're so into social media. That's the

900
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: real thing about it is. It's just them saying, I

901
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: want somebody to pay attention to me and to make

902
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: me feel loved and wanted. And if you can do

903
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that and and say hey, look, disciplined lifestyle discipline basketball

904
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: player is a better one, you will receive you, but

905
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: more of this adulation. That's I think when you find

906
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: the magical right, and that's that balance that you're trying.

907
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: And I think I'm I'm a lot better at it

908
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: now than I was then. But but as I said

909
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: back then, you know, I was naive to it and

910
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: and I a lot of confidence in what I was

911
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: doing and felt like I knew what I was doing,

912
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, at a young age. And I think that

913
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: that voted voted well for me. Listen, you've been more

914
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: than gracious with way too much of your time. You

915
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: haven't moved from one spot, you haven't had a sip

916
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: of water, you haven't had to go pee, you had

917
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: had some some family walking around in the background. I

918
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: cannot tell you how much I appreciate it, and how

919
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: much I've always admired how you've handled at first, anybody

920
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: can anybody can handle success right, agains right, I mean,

921
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: but hand only adversity. And you've always done it with

922
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: a smile. And you've always been somebody that everybody likes

923
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: wants to be around. And I want to do that

924
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: zoom though with you and Billy and maybe we'll maybe

925
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: we have maybe we'll have a few eat pop on

926
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: or maybe we won't, but I want some of those fits.

927
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: I want some of those old school fits stories and

928
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: old marque stories. They're they're they're good. There's no cell

929
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: phones back then, which is good. But uh, I'm all,

930
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Um uh. Jeff Goodman was all

931
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: trying to get marked to do that, but I'm not

932
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he ever, um he ever got got

933
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: him up with enough confidence or beer or whatever to

934
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: get him to do it. So you can take a

935
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: swing at him. As you know, I'm old school Long

936
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: Beach State, right, So my my dad, this is, this

937
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: is I'll tell one quick text winner story. So MyD

938
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: we move out and text. It's kind of similar to

939
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: your story. Text was gone. I don't know if you

940
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: had another house in Palm Springs or something. So we

941
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: stayed at his house for the first month we lived

942
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: in California, and we went We're in Long Beach and

943
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: was a little cute little house. And he gave my

944
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: dad a nineteen seventy six Honda Civic hatchback. And this

945
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: is back in the days when you just you had

946
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: eighteen scholarships and he just might have to be gone.

947
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: Hed go recruit like get in the car and he'd

948
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: go to New York and he was just gone recruiting whatever.

949
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: But text let us stay at his house. We actually

950
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: a lifeguard found a dog at the beach, so we

951
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: adopted that we had three dogs. One was a puppy

952
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: and went for the first month. But here here's it's

953
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: a text. Winner was and he amazing because the triangle

954
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: is more than just an offense. It's like a lifestyle.

955
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: Every every every stretching exercise, every cutting drill, everything is

956
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: fifteen eighteen foot perfect spacing and it gets pounded in

957
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: your head. But didn't give a shit about defense. He

958
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: would actually when they go to defensive drills, he would

959
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: leave and go home or go back to the office

960
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: because they practice at the arena at the Longing To

961
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Arena downtown, and so I never forget, Like I would say, like, Dad,

962
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: you guys are so bad defensively. Craig Hodges plays no defense.

963
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, when your head coach leaves

964
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: the gym when you're doing defensive drills, that's kind of hard.

965
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: But he was. He was. I was six until nine.

966
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: They got fired when I was nine, so but I

967
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: used to come to practice and run around and games

968
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: and the only game they would fill up they would

969
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: play UNLV when President of State. Those two teams traveled

970
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: Boy Grant and the Red Wave. They would travel really

971
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: well and um and the league was unbelievable. Then right

972
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: yead Leon Wood at Fullerton, Brian Shaw at Santa Barbara.

973
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Like everybody had a pro then you and V had

974
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: just more pros. They had City Green, all those guys

975
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: so pretty Banks, remember, I think you got fired before

976
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: and I think they saw Freddie Banks and those guys

977
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: as well. Mark Wade was like my favorite point guard

978
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: as a kid. My dad offered him. He was a

979
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: San Petro kid. He went to Anyway, listen, I gotta run,

980
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: you gotta run. I wish you nothing but health. Let's

981
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: get together in person sometimes very very soon, and awesome.

982
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: I enjoy I enjoyed it too. Is good to reminisce

983
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: and and catch up and everything. I had a good

984
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: talk with Greg the other day too. I mean, it's

985
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: good to catch up, he told me, And he wanted

986
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: me to tell you that if you really appreciate that

987
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: you said some things that really resonate with him. Well

988
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: he's I'm I'm glad he's busy at least because you know,

989
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: coaches need to coach and he's a cold So yep,

990
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: all right, sounds good, Okay, thanks, yep, yep. I mean

991
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: I could keep talking to Dan Munson for hours and hours.

992
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: He's a really interesting dude with a great life and

993
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: a good perspective. He's also a very good basketball coach.

994
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: But we did at some point have to end it,

995
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: so I hope you enjoyed it. By the way, quick

996
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: programming note, you want to listen to Doug Gotlip Show,

997
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: it's three or six Eastern, twelve to three Pacific. You

998
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: can also download the podcast. You can listen to it,

999
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,960
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00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,520
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Speaker 1: like a dollar more because of it, and that would

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Speaker 1: be really cool. Thanks so much for listening. By thanks

1006
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Speaker 1: to Dan Munson for setting it up, or not setting up,

1007
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: but agreeing to do it. I'm Doug Gottliebin. This is

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