1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's go, Let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Let's go. Giants On My Giants, give me some join 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: part of the Giants podcast network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast, 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: New York Giants. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: My name is John Schmelk, a new guest today from 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of guys from PFF on over 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: the years, whether it's Steve sam Brad, all the guys 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: over there, and now we even new man. He is 12 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Argent Menon. He attends University of Michigan. He's a PFF analyst. 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: Just put a great article last week talking about off 14 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: season resources, and as the Giants kind of begin their 15 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: off season process, I thought it would be a great 16 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: time to kind of set the stage as to what's 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: to come. 18 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Argent appreciate the time in nice to meet you. 19 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: How are you doing good? John? I appreciate you having 20 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: me on. 21 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 4: Really excited to dive into my article looking at some 22 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: of the off season resources for every NFL team, but 23 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: specifically looking at the Giants and some of the main 24 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: takeaways we can have from what they can look forward 25 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: to in the off season. 26 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: All right, your dad and guy, and we always start 27 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: with methodology, So why don't you tell our listeners and 28 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: viewers what your methodology was for coming up with your 29 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: composite offseason resources rankings. 30 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 31 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: So I think the main thing there is kind of 32 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 4: prioritizing what matters and what doesn't. So going into every 33 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: off season, I think there's two things that fans or 34 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: even just teams look forward to. One is the free 35 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 4: agency and one is the draft. Going into free agency, 36 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: you have basically one thing at your disposal, which. 37 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: Is cap space. 38 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: So space or effective cap space is one of the 39 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: factors in my off season composite. For the second factor 40 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: is draft capital. Now, between the two, I weigh draft 41 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 4: capital a little bit more just because I think it's 42 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: more important from a general roster building standpoint, because I 43 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: think draft capital gives you the opportunity to get good 44 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: players on cheap deals for at least four years, and 45 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: if you take them in the first round, you could 46 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: get them for five years. And in general four teams 47 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: with veteran contracts, I think draft capital is more important 48 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: because you don't have the cap space to be able 49 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: to go out and get players because you have a 50 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: quarterback that's making forty plus million dollars a year, and 51 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: I think that's especially relevant to the Giants who did 52 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: sign Daniel Jones to that type of deal last offseason. 53 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: So in my off season composite score, the way, I 54 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 4: wait my factor. So there's three factors I only mentioned too, 55 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: so draft capital has weighted the highest, then it's effective 56 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: cap space, and the final the final metric in my 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: composite score is pro ratable money, which is basically when 58 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: you can convert up to eighty percent of a veteran 59 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 4: player's roster bonus and base salary in the upcoming year, 60 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: and you can turn that into a signing bonus to 61 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: either pro rate over the length of the contract, or 62 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: you can create void years to extend the contract and 63 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: proate that money. Even more so, I wanted to not 64 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 4: reward teams, but to account for the fact that teams 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: like the Saints and the Dolphins have all this money 66 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 4: tied up in base salaries and roster bonuses that they 67 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: could turn into signing bonuses and create cap space in 68 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Now, specifically for the Giants, that's not 69 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 4: thing that they have a lot of room to do, 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: but that is they're about league average in that in 71 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: that area. So that's that's the kind of the methodology. 72 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: That's how I kind of thought of things from a 73 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: process standpoint, and how I kind of weighted some of 74 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 4: these factors. 75 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: Makes sense when you say effective cap space, you're taking 76 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: into consideration then costs of the draft class roster bonuses 77 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 2: rather than just that kind of run number you'll see 78 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: on over the cap. 79 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so effective castas is basically saying, if we fill 80 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: out the fifty one man roster, like, this is what 81 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 4: you're uh, this is what the cap sheet will look like. 82 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: And yes, it is also taking into account once you 83 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: sign your projected rookie class as of January seventeenth, what 84 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: will your cap space? 85 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: What will your cap sheet look like? From a cap 86 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: space standpoint? 87 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: All right, so let's kind of take this overall for 88 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: the giants first. Then you can kind of break it 89 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: down by air. You already mentioned kind of the ability 90 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: to restructure and stuff like that. So where do you 91 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: have the giants in your overall composite and then how 92 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: do you have them in their kind of individual buckets? 93 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so in my overall composite the Giants actually show 94 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: up fifth. 95 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: So in the actual. 96 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: Buckets, they're slightly below league average, so they're eighteenth in 97 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: terms of effective cap space, they're fifth in terms of 98 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: draft capital, and then they're about league average in terms 99 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: of pro ratable money, so anything related to the salary cap, 100 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: they're basically at the league average. But once it comes 101 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 4: to draft capital, they show up fifth, which in. 102 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: My opinion is a very good thing. 103 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: I know, you signed Daniel Jones to that long term deal, 104 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: which again that puts a lot of money on the 105 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: books for him specifically, and you're allocating a lot of 106 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 4: that there, but you have the means to build around 107 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 4: him if that is the direction that the Giants choose 108 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: to go with potentially getting good players on cheap deals. 109 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: You traded away Leonard Williams for I believe a second 110 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: round pick or the draft capitol equivalent of a second 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: round pick, and again that is that second round pick 112 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: could be used to find another Leonard Williams, which might 113 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: be unlikely, but that is kind of the process I 114 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 4: think the Giants are going through, and just in general, 115 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 4: from a generalized team building strategy, I think once you 116 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: have those veteran quarterbacks, the draft develop strategy is the 117 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: most sustainable strategy I think in the NFL. Now, while 118 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: I think the draft can be a crapshoot, it is 119 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: incredibly tough to beat or incredibly tough to be accurate 120 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: year every year. I think if you have one of 121 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 4: those drafts where you hit on a lot of picks, 122 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 4: what like we've seen in recent years. I mean, the 123 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs had an incredible twenty twenty two draft 124 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: which led to a twenty twenty three Super Bowl. The 125 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: Saints had an incredible twenty seventeen draft which led to 126 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: four straight playoff friends, it is possible, and all you 127 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: need is one into one or two drafts with a 128 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: veteran contract to turn your team around. And I think 129 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: that's one of the strategies I think the Giants are 130 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: leaning into, and I think that could lead them to 131 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: more success down the road. 132 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: And I imagine that additional second round pick is what 133 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: kind of pushed the Giants up the draft composite rankings. 134 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, exactly, and that was factored into account. 135 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. All right, let's go to the cap situation. 136 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned. 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: They're kind of league average cap wise, effective cap space 138 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: and I've kind of talked to people around here too. 139 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: You're looking around prior round twenty million or so. Correct. 140 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, when you get into an offseason and you 141 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: look at twenty million, give Giant fans an idea. Is 142 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: that one big ticket item and then a bunch of 143 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: guys after that. How effectively can you use that amount 144 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: of kind of league average cap space? 145 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I mentioned, I think the Giants have 146 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 4: the means to create more cap space if they choose, 147 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: and I don't necessarily think they have to do that. 148 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 4: So my kind of at least from over the cap 149 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 4: they project about eighty one, about eighty a million in 150 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 4: terms of what they can create. They don't necessarily have 151 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: to create all of that because you're pushing money down 152 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: the road. That's a lot of guaranteed money you're giving out. 153 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 4: But they could if they wanted to. But in my opinion, 154 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 4: with Daniel Jones and just with the kind of uncertainty 155 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: of where the franchise is right now coming off a 156 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: losing season, I don't necessarily think you want to push 157 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: the chips all in. I think this is a good 158 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: good season to kind of evaluate the roster top to bottom, 159 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 4: and with sixteen million. Yeah, you don't want to use 160 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 4: it all in one big ticket. I think this is 161 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 4: a place where you spread that money out, you try 162 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: to patch holes throughout the roster, and just in general, 163 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: I think you want to spend free agent money on 164 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: non premium positions that would allow you to target premium 165 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: positions in the draft, and seeing as though the Giants 166 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: have a lot of draft capital, I think the most 167 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: optimal strategy would be to fill some of the holes 168 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 4: on the roster, like offensive line, or maybe finding another 169 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: cornerback or another like another maybe Slaw receiver or something, 170 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: or just a second receiver, and you fill some of 171 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: those non premium or backup or depth positions in free agency, 172 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: and then don't chase a big ticket, don't chase a 173 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: big name, and then once you hit the draft, you 174 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: target some of those more premium positions that are a 175 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: need for this team. And then from there I think 176 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: you'll have a better way of shaping the roster and 177 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: continuing to build for a competitive team in twenty twenty 178 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: four or twenty twenty five. 179 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hate it, and for us, he 180 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: are kind of looking at where the Giants are about 181 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: those non premium positions in free agency and the one 182 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: I circle with the big red markers guard. Right, the 183 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: Giants have circled through a lot of guards over the 184 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: past few years. They haven't quite figured that position out. 185 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: And you're looking at the top of the guard market, 186 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: and it's probably not going to be anyone that makesach 187 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Morten money or anything like that this offseason. 188 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: You're going to what like twelve thirteen a year, give or. 189 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: Take, yeah, exactly, And I think there are players that 190 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: will hit that. There are some great player I think 191 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: some great guards hitting the market. I think a couple 192 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: of names that I've looked at Robert Hint from Miami 193 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: who was having a pretty good year before he got hurt. 194 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 4: Kevin Dotson from the Rams, who the Rams traded for 195 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: and he turned out to be a career. He turned 196 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: out to have a career year as they completely change 197 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: their scheme from an outside zone scheme to a up 198 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: the middle gap duo type scheme. And so there are 199 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: players out there that have kind of revitalized their careers 200 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 4: in new spots, like Kevin Dotson and John Simpson from 201 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: the Ravens. And so there are players that I think, yeah, 202 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: they could go for twelve thirteen. No, but I also 203 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 4: think because of how sometimes depressed the guard mark it 204 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: is you got, you can get them from for under 205 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 4: ten million dollars, just because maybe there won't be as 206 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 4: much of a demand for some of those guys and 207 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: so I think you won't have as much of a 208 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: bidding war. And so I think and just because they 209 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: are a non premium position, I think you might not 210 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: see them go for that high. 211 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: And safety markets same deal. 212 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: Right. We saw how the DEPRESSEDO was last year. Jesse 213 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: Bates got his money, no one else really did. Giants 214 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: Zeven mckinne hitting free agency. He has said publicly that 215 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: he thinks he's one of the top safeties in the league. 216 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's looking for a big payday. Is that 217 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: one of those positions where you're looking to trying to 218 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: find somebody at a good value rather than trying and 219 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: hit the top of the market. 220 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 221 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 4: I think the value there is very important, and to me, 222 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: I think it depends on what the Giants are going 223 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: to do a defensive coordinator. I think with Wink, you 224 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: wanted to have someone very versatile, someone who could blitz, 225 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: who could fit the run and play man coverage against 226 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: tight ends once the Giants were all out blitzing. If 227 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 4: you're going with more of a traditional, say cover three scheme, 228 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 4: like a Gus Brad or like a Dan Quinn, maybe 229 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: you're looking for traditional free safety, which is just playing 230 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: center field, and you know there are guys that could 231 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 4: come out that fit that role. If you're playing if 232 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: you're going more with a Fangio type scheme, you want 233 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: a safety that can fit the run, play inside the box, 234 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: but also have the ability to play center field. And 235 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: though there are guys that are coming out that could 236 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 4: do that, that have experience in those roles. So yeah, 237 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 4: I think it depends on the defensive coordinator. I think 238 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: some place more value on safety and being more versatile 239 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: at safety. 240 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, to. 241 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: Me, it does depend a little bit on the defensive scheme, 242 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: and I think you can find guys on the high 243 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 4: end and low end of the safety market that can 244 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: fit the role that the Giants are looking for. 245 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 5: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 246 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 5: a turf fiz business grows, your savings grow, become the 247 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 5: most celebrated name in terf Are you ready for all 248 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 5: that life brings? 249 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: All? Right? Those have been non premium positions. I'll get 250 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: to the premium positions in a second. 251 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: In the draft. 252 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: Before I get there, you're talking about restructuring, and I 253 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: think you hit it right. When you're in this position 254 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: where you're picking in the top six in the draft, 255 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: you don't want to start putting void years and moving 256 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: money and stuff like that, especially with a guy like 257 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones coming off an injury. Right, But they do 258 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: have three contracts of guys that I think they expect 259 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: to be here a long time, and they've shown they 260 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: are playing at Pro Bowl, all pro levels with Dexter Lawrence, 261 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: Andrew Thomas and Bobby Ocake, And you kind of talk 262 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: a little bit about this in terms of kicking money 263 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: down the road. 264 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Those are the. 265 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 2: Type of guys that you would probably be more apt 266 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: and Okay, maybe not this year, but at some point 267 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: putting the void years on and kicking some of that 268 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: money because you do expecting the be yeer over a 269 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: long period of time. 270 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, exactly, And those are the players I think 271 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 4: you want. The three you mentioned, those were the ones 272 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 4: I had circled in terms of restructuring. I think Thomas 273 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: would be the one I would hold off on just 274 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: a little bit because of the injuries he had, I 275 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 4: think guaranteeing money for injured injury prone players, which I'm 276 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 4: not going to classify Thomas as yet because I think 277 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: previously he was pretty durable, but doing it off a 278 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 4: injury plagued year, I don't necessarily think is the greatest thing. 279 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: And I think Lawrence and Okag had great years, and 280 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 4: Lawrence I think has the shot to be first team 281 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: All Pro, so I think he definitely deserves it. Thomas, again, 282 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 4: still a great player, but wanting to at least I'd 283 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 4: want to see him play a healthy season before I 284 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: think I guarantee all that money to him, and I think, 285 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: okayacter you can do it for too, even if he's 286 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: not at a premium position, because I think he is 287 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: probably one of the leaders at that defense. 288 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: How about the general strategy of kicking money in Look, 289 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: we've seen the Saints have been the masters of this 290 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: and well masters of using it. Not sure if masters 291 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: that have been paying and of paying off and wins 292 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: and you know, playoff wins and stuff like that. Right, So, 293 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: how do you think a team can best manage that? 294 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: Where you're managing cash spending, trying to protect yourself down 295 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: the road, so you don't have to cut good players, 296 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: which the Saints, by the way, have had to do 297 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: over the past few years. They let guys walk they 298 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: don't want to walk because they're kind of utilizing this 299 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: keep moving money down the road. The Eagles have done 300 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: this a little bit too. Is that a wise use 301 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: of cap space? How careful do teams have to be 302 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: in terms of moving that money into void years where 303 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: they're going to be paying players and they're not even 304 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 2: on the ross are and turning base salary and the 305 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: guarantees to create more media cap space. 306 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 307 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: So in the past I used to think of dead 308 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: money or restructures as somewhat of a bad thing, But 309 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: in recent years I've kind of changed my mind about it, 310 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: mainly because I think if you can kind of predict 311 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: that the salary cap is going to continue to increase, 312 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: the more money restructure and push down the road, that money, 313 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: you're just that increase in money down the road. You're 314 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: also accounting for the increase in salary cap. Now, what 315 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: you don't want to do is like the Saints have 316 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: been doing, is you don't want to keep doing it 317 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: with these same old players they have literally the oldest 318 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 4: roster in the NFL, and you're creating all this guaranteed 319 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: money for all these old players. Old players have a 320 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: higher injury risk, so guaranteed money for these higher injury 321 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 4: or higher risk of an injury type player. Yeah, it's 322 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 4: probably not going to work out as often, but if 323 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: you I think it's it's not necessarily as much as 324 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 4: restructuring money. It's about cash spending. You spend cash higher 325 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 4: than the salary cap, and you're properly accounting for the 326 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 4: inflation of the salary cap every single year, you have 327 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: a way of actually beating kind of the NFL salary cap. 328 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: And this is why I think generally you hear people say, oh, 329 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: the cap is fake because you can spend all this 330 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: money in twenty twenty three and push all this money 331 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: to twenty twenty four and then just do. 332 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: It again a year later. 333 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: And now, I think if you have an owner willing 334 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: to spend the cash upfront in a given year and 335 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: continue to push the cap into future years as the 336 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: salary cap increases, I think you have a way of 337 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: potentially making a small push all in in a year 338 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: while also being financially flexible in years to come. And 339 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: I think one of the ways I mentioned earlier to 340 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: do this is with void years because voidears allow you 341 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: to use money or basically push money, like four or 342 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: five years down the road, when the salary cap is 343 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 4: going to be maybe forty fifty million dollars higher. So yeah, 344 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: you're losing money in that specific year, but the money, 345 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: the percentage of the cap that you're taking up is 346 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: going to be much smaller, yeah, in those future years 347 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: than in the in the year current. 348 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: Like Jalen Hurst's contract is a perfect example of right 349 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: with the Eagles structure that I mean, he is a 350 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: low caps number I think for the first three years 351 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: of that contract, and then you start getting nailed with it. 352 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: So I think to your point, the key is to 353 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: pick the right players to do it with that you 354 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: know are going to be there. Because the worst situation 355 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: you can get into, and this will be my last 356 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: question on the topic, is that you're sitting there on 357 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: a player that maybe isn't even a starting caliber player anymore, 358 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: and you're you know, two or three boyd years left 359 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: and this guy's you know that more, he's gonna move 360 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: up if you cut him, and then you're in a 361 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: situation we're paying a guy that's not even very good, 362 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: and you can't cut him this. 363 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: He's going to be like a thirty million dollar cap hit. 364 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly. 365 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: And I think generally now the void your strategy is 366 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: mainly happening with quarterbacks just because those are like the 367 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: sure things. 368 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: Wow. 369 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: But if you have an all Pro guy like a 370 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: Dexter Lawrence, then yeah, I think you should feel comfortable 371 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: that his play is going to be pretty stable year 372 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 4: over year. 373 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: He's going to give you. 374 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: Top ten, probably top five production every single year that 375 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: he's health and so those are the guys you want 376 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: to invest in. With the Saints, it's mainly been guys 377 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: like Cam Jordan, Ryan Ramschick. These are guys that have 378 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: been All pros Pro Bowl guys in the past, and 379 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 4: so those are the guys you continually see them invest 380 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: in restructure their contracts, and I think those are the 381 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: guys you want to keep investing in it. I think 382 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: that's maybe the strategy that giants can lean into if 383 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: they are willing to do that, if they're willing to 384 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: kind of be upfront with the cash and create more 385 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 4: capspace in twenty twenty three or twenty twenty twenty four. 386 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: Now want a chance to win ten thousand dollars for 387 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: your small business. Enter to win a Citizen Small Business 388 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: Community Champion Award by sharing how your company makes a 389 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: positive impact on your community. 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These 400 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: top wide receivers don't even make it the free agency anymore. Right, 401 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: Look at the trades for Devonte Adams, the trade for 402 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. You're gonna have to send draft capital to 403 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: get them and then pay them on top of it. 404 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: That's just how it works. 405 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: It'll be the same with Ceedee, Lamb and Dallas however 406 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: they handle him so but it's a very deep position. 407 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: Right. 408 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: Every year now, more and more wide receivers, you can 409 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 2: get them later on in the draft. So if you're 410 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: sitting there in the first round, you got a wide 411 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: receiver and let's say an offensive tackle with identical grades, 412 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: do you lean offensive tackle just because those guys are 413 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more rare and tougher. 414 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: To find in the higher rounds. 415 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: How do you kind of view that kind of group 416 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: of premium positions and how you teer them out. 417 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, So between tackle and receiver, I always would go 418 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: with receiver, or not always, but I think receiver is 419 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: the is the offshoine go with. I think receiver gives 420 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: you a higher seal just because I think receivers not 421 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: only are able to add production on their own, I 422 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: think they're able to elevate the play of the quarterback. 423 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: Force multiplier in other words. 424 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: Right exactly. 425 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: And we've not only seen this in the draft with 426 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 4: guys like Jamar Chase, but when when teams are specifically 427 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: asking for receivers as part of trades like Stefan Diggs 428 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 4: going to the Bills or DJ Moore going to the Bears, 429 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: we've seen that force multiplier happen. And while you know, 430 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 4: maybe the Bears could be in the running for a 431 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: quarterback at number one. I think we saw DJ Moore 432 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 4: have a career year and I think this was justin 433 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: Field's most efficient season from an efficiency standpoint. And so 434 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: from the Giants perspective, I think they need a number 435 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 4: one receiver and this is something they've kind of lacked. 436 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 4: I think since the Odell Beckham junior days. They have 437 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: a book They have a bookend left tackle at Andrew 438 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 4: Thomas they don't need to replace. 439 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: And while Evan Neil maybe. 440 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 4: Hasn't been the player they've wanted, I think offensive lineman 441 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: development isn't a one or two year thing. It could 442 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: take till year three to develop, and we saw that 443 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: with Andrew Thomas, it took him a year or two 444 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 4: to develop. So I don't think giving up on Neil 445 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: just yet is it would be something that would be 446 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: right for the Giants. And yes, I think receiver not 447 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 4: only is the force multiplier for at the position and 448 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 4: for the quarterback and for other receivers around them. I 449 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: think generally you'll see that they provide more surplus value, 450 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: which is basically the predicted value based on the production 451 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 4: minus the actual money you're paying them. And I think 452 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: over the four years their development and how they can 453 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: influence other players on the roster. I think will provide 454 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: you more surplus value at pick six or at any 455 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: point in the first round than taking an offensive tackle. 456 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: How confident should teams be that they can find the 457 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: quarterback that's not that premium, top five, top ten pick. 458 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: I don't think it's they should be that confident, But 459 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 4: I also don't think that should limit them from taking 460 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: shots at these types of players in the draft. I mean, honestly, 461 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: the best example is that Jordan Love pick. I don't 462 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 4: know how confident the Packers were in Jordan Love going 463 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: into that draft, or if that was just an insurance 464 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: policy seeing that maybe Aaron Rodgers didn't have the type 465 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: of season they wanted under Matt Lafleur in. 466 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: His first year. 467 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: But for whatever reason, they did take Jordan Love in 468 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 4: the back half of the first round. And then one 469 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: round later we saw Jalen Hurtz go to the Eagles 470 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: despite them having Carson Wentz on the roster. Just those 471 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: two examples of teams understanding that quarterback play can change 472 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 4: at any point in a player's career and wanting to 473 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: have insurance at the most important position is something that 474 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 4: all teams should account for, or maybe not all teams, 475 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 4: but all teams that don't have maybe a top five 476 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 4: guy or feel that they have a top five guy. 477 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: And yeah, like some teams might think they have a 478 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: top five guy in their minds, but I think maybe 479 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 4: other people don't see that, and other people will say 480 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: they should take shots in the draft. And I think 481 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 4: just the kind of upside that a quarterback can provide 482 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: on a rookie deal will all always lend to the 483 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: value of maybe a different player who's specifically drafted to 484 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: play special teams or specifically drafted to play a non 485 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 4: premium position. I think that those resources could be spent 486 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 4: better if you're drafting a rookie quarterback who maybe has 487 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: more upside than the guy you're starting or the guys 488 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: you have backing up the starter elsewhere on the roster. 489 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: What lessons should the Giants take from a team building 490 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 2: perspective and team building strategy, And maybe what lessons you 491 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: took from watching the playoffs over the weekend. 492 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the main thing is don't be afraid 493 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: to invest in young talent. We saw again. I'm going 494 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: to go back to the Packers. We saw them the 495 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 4: past two drafts, they basically rebuilt their offense through the draft, 496 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: and they have their entire basically offensive skill position room 497 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 4: outside of Aaron Jones, plus their quarterback on rookie deals. 498 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: And you know Daniel Jones again, he is making veteran 499 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 4: contract money. He is making forty million plus dollars a year, 500 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 4: and I think if the plan is for him to 501 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: kind of finish shot that contractor or at least to 502 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: play the next two years of that deal, just surrounding 503 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: him with weapons on rookie contracts should be the goal, 504 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 4: whether that is at the receiver position or whatever they 505 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: do with Saque if they're looking to replace them. Again, 506 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: I think going to the draft instead of free agency 507 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: and starting new there would be the preferred option, even 508 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: if this is sort of a weaker running back class. 509 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'd pick six. If maybe the top two 510 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: receivers are off the board, don't be afraid to trade 511 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: back and take a receiver later in the draft. I 512 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: think it's all again, the draft is all about taking 513 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 4: players at value and making sure you're not reaching at 514 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 4: play on players. But yeah, I think just in dreeneral, 515 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 4: the Giants should be prioritizing premium positions, and given that 516 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 4: you have a veteran contract a quarterback, the margin for 517 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 4: air hair is much smaller than it was in the past, 518 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: where you can maybe you know, take a non premium 519 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 4: position high in the draft, where whereas now I think 520 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: you have to make optimal team building strategies because the 521 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: margin for air is much smaller. 522 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 523 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 5: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 524 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 525 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings? 526 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: I realize this is a overly broad question and it's 527 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: very specific to the situation. In terms of training up 528 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: or down in the draft, I'm generally of the opinion 529 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: that unless you're trading up for a quarterback, trading up 530 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: in the draft usually probably is not the best idea. 531 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: It has worked for other teams, you know, I don't 532 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 2: think you know the Texans are overly upset that they 533 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: went to get Will Anderson. Now we'll see. I'm sure 534 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: they'll regret not having the extra pick this year. But 535 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: whatever your thoughts on an overall for teams in terms 536 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: of moving up moving down, is moving down, So generally, 537 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: in your opinion, the best move you want quantity in 538 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: that situation. Just your thoughts on the overall Giants, maybe 539 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: ability and moving around. 540 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: The draft here. 541 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think generally trading down is going to be 542 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 4: the more plus EV move, especially if you're able to 543 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: accumulate picks on Day two or day three. Just having 544 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: all of those dart throws to be the draft players 545 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: who are going to make, who are not going to make, 546 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: who are going to be on cheap deals, will always 547 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: be I think a plus EV move and trading up 548 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: or and allocating more. 549 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Resources to me. 550 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: I've always thought of it as if you're trading up 551 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: for a player in the draft, you're not only paying 552 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 4: that player the salary of the draft pick you're trading 553 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: up to go to. You also have to pay the 554 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: salary of the combined draft value you're adding to that 555 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: trades to the draft pick swap to go up to 556 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: get that player. So say you know a team is 557 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: trading up, they say the Giants want to trade up 558 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: from six to four. They're not only they're not only 559 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 4: playing that player at four the salary of the fourth 560 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: overall pick. They're paying whatever is the surplus value of 561 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 4: whatever they had to send on top of the sixth 562 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: overall pick to that team. And generally there's not a 563 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: lot of players that can outperform a trade up because 564 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 4: and that is a lot of value you have to 565 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 4: add to that team. So while it can be a 566 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 4: great player, maybe they're not producing at the level that 567 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: you would want them to because of the value went 568 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 4: up to get them. And sometimes sometimes that that's just 569 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 4: the case. Like don't I don't know if Will Anderson 570 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 4: will ever be the type of player. I don't know 571 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 4: if we will Anderson over the course of his four 572 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 4: year deal will produce like the third overall player plus 573 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 4: the first round pick the Texans. That's a trade for him, 574 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: And so those are the kind of the little things 575 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: I think about. But he's still a great player. He 576 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 4: can still win Defensive Rookie of the Year. So sometimes 577 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 4: you have to make Sometimes you make those minor CV 578 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: moves and they still end up working out. So you know, 579 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: team building is not a one way street, and not 580 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: everyone can just trade down in the drought because it's 581 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 4: a two way street. So I think, you know, there's 582 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 4: a lot of things that you can do, and I 583 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: think the Giants are in a position that they can 584 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: make any type of move and I think still have success. 585 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta have a dance partner, absolutely, Right, are 586 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: two more questions. This has been great argent, awesome information. 587 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: Give me an idea on the NFC East here the 588 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: Giants are trying to overtake Dallas and Philly. We know 589 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: what happened with Dallas and Philly the end of the year. 590 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 2: As of this recording, both Mike McCarthy and Nick Siriannor 591 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: are still employed. 592 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: That that's a by the minute deal here, so when 593 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: this is posed, this might change. 594 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: But give me an over at looking them to the 595 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: offseason resources where the command there's Cowboys and Eagles kind 596 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 2: of sit and what the Giants have will have to 597 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: be competing with moving forward the next couple of years. 598 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, out of the four of the commanders are 599 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 4: in by far the best spot as of this recording. 600 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 4: We are they have the second most cap space and 601 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 4: the second most draft capital. 602 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 3: Obviously they're picking in number. 603 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: Two, which at this point most likely seems like it's 604 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 4: going to be a quarterback. And yeah, they have the 605 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: cap space to go out and sign some maybe big 606 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 4: ticket free agents. Now, why do they have the cap space, well, 607 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: they have Montes Sweat and Chase Young off the books, 608 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 4: and that's also why they have a lot of draft capital. 609 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 4: So just because they have a lot of you know, 610 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: off season resources, they have a pretty empty roster that 611 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 4: they have to fill and you typically don't want to 612 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 4: just build your roster through free agency. And yeah, they're 613 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 4: gonna have to use their first round pick on a quarterback. 614 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 4: So just because they have a lot of cap space 615 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: and draft capital doesn't mean they're in a better spot 616 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: necessarily than the Giants. But the other two teams, Yeah, 617 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: the Cowboys, out of the third least amount of off 618 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 4: season resources, I think they made a big push this 619 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 4: off this offseason, trading for Stefan Gilmore, trading for Brandon Cooks, 620 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 4: and unfortunately just resulted in a wild card loss. The 621 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 4: Eagles are in a little bit of a better spot. 622 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: They rank sixteenth in my off season Composite score. They 623 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: are basically above average when it comes to draft capital, 624 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: about league average when it comes to cap space. So yeah, 625 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: typically with Howie Roseman, you'll probably see him trade down 626 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 4: a lot more than trade up. So whatever draft capital 627 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: they have now will probably increase the day of the draft, 628 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: just because of how he wheels and deals and makes 629 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: moves pretty constantly throughout the draft. 630 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: And they're they're projected picks in terms of we'll get 631 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: from free agent losses. The compensatory pick is off the 632 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: charts for the Eagles too, which is. 633 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Yes, ridiculous. 634 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: And you know, real quick on Dallas, that Dak Prescott 635 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: contract thing is I think people are underrating that a 636 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: little bit. 637 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: You know. 638 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: He I think he's a fifty eight million dollar cap 639 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: hit this year last year. No trade clause, right, you 640 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: can't franchise him, so that either is gonna have to 641 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: be some type of convince him to trade deal, which 642 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: I doubt Jerry Jones is eighty. He doesn't want to 643 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: reset the quarterback thing here. So once they pay him, 644 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: they can get that cap number way down. What should 645 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: open up resources for them and free agency to either 646 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: sign other guys or maybe extend some of the guys 647 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: in their roster. 648 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: Correct exactly, And yeah, I think that they have to 649 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 4: get a Dak deal done before the price shoots up 650 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: even more. 651 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: But it's not only that. 652 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: I mean they have to pay Cedee lamb in Micah Parson. 653 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: That's a lot of cash that Jerry has to kind 654 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: of allocate to that roster. And you know, we typically 655 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: think of the Cowboys as being a big market team, 656 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: which they are. 657 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: This is America's team. 658 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 4: Right, But if we look at specifically the last three 659 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: years or twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and twenty 660 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 4: twenty three, the Cowboys actually spent the sixth least. 661 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 3: Amount of cash in those three years. 662 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: So again, this isn't like Jerry. While you might have 663 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: the most expensive NFL team or most expensive sports team 664 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: in America, they're just not a team that has spent 665 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 4: a lot of cash in recent years. And I think 666 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 4: that's going to have to change this offseason. And if 667 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't, I mean you might have to trade one 668 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: of those three. I don't think you trade Dak Prescott 669 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: because finding a great quarterback or at least they're good 670 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 4: to great quarterback is very tough in the NFL. But 671 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 4: you might have to trade CD Lamb and Micah Parsons 672 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 4: while both are at the top of their market. While 673 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: Cede Lamb put up seventeen hundred yards and led the 674 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: league in receptions, or Micah Parsons is going to might 675 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 4: ruin defensive player of the year, Like, if you're not 676 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 4: going to extend them now while you know you're gonna 677 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: get the best value for them now versus in twenty 678 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: twenty five when they're gonna cost even more with a 679 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: higher salary cap, it's in your best interest to kind 680 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: of get rid of it, or not get rid of them, 681 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 4: but to get value for them. And so I think, 682 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 4: like you mentioned that Dak, they have other players that 683 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 4: need a new contracts as well. 684 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, out there also DIGGI zoo into that too, has 685 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: been a really good player for them. The defensive tack 686 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: with that fans don't really talk about. And look, you 687 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: hope that they for their sake, not for the giants 688 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: sake obviously, that they learn their lesson from Dak Prescott 689 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: waiting to make that deal which then end up costing 690 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: them more money, the no trade, the no tag, and 691 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: now they're in a tough spot with that final question. 692 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: And then we'll let you go. 693 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: I've seen you kind of been tracking team defense coverage performance, 694 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: what performance you have based on what covered you on, 695 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: what other quarterbacks have perform well against. We know the 696 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: league has moved more to that too, deep safety, a 697 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: lot of zone keep things in front of you. Vic 698 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: Fangio style defenses, you still have some cover one guys. 699 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: You throw the Giants into that mix, the Dallas Cowboys, 700 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: you still have the cover three guys. You mentioned it, 701 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: all the guys in the peak Carol Tree, where do 702 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: you think the league is heading in terms of coverage tendencies? 703 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: What coverages are having the most success? Is it really 704 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: team dependent? How do you view that trend right now 705 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: in the NFL? Which I think is an interesting one. 706 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think teams have generally opted to go for 707 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 4: the too high scheme just because of the philosophy and 708 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 4: how much sense it made. But I think teams are 709 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 4: also realizing it's not an easy scheme to emulate. It's 710 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 4: not an easy scheme to run. You need to have 711 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: a good interior defensive line to play light boxes. You 712 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 4: need to have a Dexter Lawrence type guy. When Fangio 713 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: went to Miami, he inherited a defensive line that had 714 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: Christian Wilkins and zax Zach Steeler, two of the best 715 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 4: at their positions in terms of stopping the run, and so, yeah, 716 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: you need to be able to stop the run with 717 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: light boxes and then be able to have safeties at 718 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 4: versatile and cornerbacks that can play in match coverage and 719 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 4: also be left alone on one side of the field. 720 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 4: It's not an easy scheme to emulate. While even though 721 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 4: the philosophy is sound and the philosophy makes a lot 722 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 4: of sense. So yeah, I still think too high or 723 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 4: that type of philosophy is where teams are leaning. But 724 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 4: I do think as offenses find a way to kind 725 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 4: of counter that with shorter passes and leaning more into YAK, 726 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 4: I think we could see a switch back into some 727 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 4: Cover three, or even switch back into the early two thousands, 728 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 4: where we go back to some Tampa to some Cover 729 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: two where we're taking away those underneath passes and forcing 730 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: teams to throw further down the field or force quarterbacks 731 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 4: to utilize their arm strength and arm talent to hit 732 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 4: throws down the steams or down the sideline. So the 733 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 4: NFL is very cyclical, and we've had our Too High revolution, 734 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 4: and I think that could be coming to a close 735 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 4: in the next year or two, and I think we 736 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: could see another shift to a new defensive philosophy offenses. 737 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: Just defense is the just, and it's just a cycle. 738 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: Everything repeats itself over and over again. 739 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Arjin, this was fun, This was great. 740 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate you being with us, really enjoying your work 741 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: on Pro Football Focus. Tell the folks anything else you 742 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: think they should know about what you're doing and what 743 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: you up to. 744 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 745 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: So, like John said, you can find me on PFF 746 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 4: dot com, where I like to write articles. 747 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: Sometimes. 748 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 4: You can also find me on Twitter at argent Men. 749 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 4: In one hundred I posted a lot of football analytics 750 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: graphs and tables there, so if you're ever interested in 751 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 4: the kind of stats and data that go into football, 752 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: or have any requests or numbers that you want to see, 753 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: feel free to DM me or reply to me there. 754 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, John, I really want to appreciate you for 755 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: having me on and this is a very very fun conversation. 756 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: Argent Men in Pro Football Focus on the Giants Lito 757 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of 758 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: the Giants. 759 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, everybody. 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