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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is really weird. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition to Be Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis, and I am in a room

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Speaker 1: filled with some heroes. Chris Westling to my left, Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal to my right. Oh yeah, it's a scientist party.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Can we peek into your

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Speaker 1: mind for a second? I lived there, Dan knows that

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Speaker 1: do you believe that you have to work extra hard

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Speaker 1: to be murthy today? Since it's just the two scientists

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Speaker 1: and you don't have Mark, You know, you like half

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Speaker 1: question in your mind? Do you think it will Greg

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Speaker 1: and I will skew two like pig skin heavy? I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't. I wouldn't. I don't say

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Speaker 1: Selva come enough too that we've got big fish coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that'll factor in, But uh, I don't view you

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Speaker 1: guys as pure, just like football drones, So I'm not

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Speaker 1: concerned about it. That's that's great answer. I feel better

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Speaker 1: about my rule on the show now. Yeah good, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that. And you know, it's always nice to have

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Speaker 1: Marked a bounce. But Mark under the under the weather,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking Mark is a nasty cold he said, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is where you're get in trouble for being a

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Speaker 1: vegetarian or a vegan guy. We're a nice bowl chicken soup,

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Speaker 1: and he'd be here right now. Is that backed up

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Speaker 1: by science? What do they say about chicken chicken soup?

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Speaker 1: It's good for the soul, for the soul, good for cold.

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Speaker 1: Also they say in some so you can get some

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Speaker 1: is it really the chicken that's doing it or is

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Speaker 1: it the stock? Do they say starve a cold or

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Speaker 1: feed a cold? Because Mark doesn't eat. Mark starves everything.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we're hoping to see Mark back uh

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Speaker 1: in our next show. But we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to today. Uh. Some news including well I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if it's really news, but there's some Patriots

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady uh buzz in the air of following at

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Speaker 1: ESPN report this morning. Uh, the other greatest quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the world is also in the news for some issues

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Speaker 1: with his own team. A drama in the NFL. Right now,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we will continue our draft quarterback series, yes

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Speaker 1: with the big Fish Evans Silva. Oh it's a big one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a big one. Greg, come on, give me some help.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's in the boat. Silva's here. My wife's

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Speaker 1: a great fisherwoman. When is the last time are you

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Speaker 1: were worried at all? That? You know? After getting Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh less need all these you know guys, that

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Speaker 1: the big fish Moniker for Evan Silva has lost some meaning.

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Speaker 1: If anything, it shows the respect that I haven't for Silva,

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't change anything. Yeah, that he's bigger than

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Speaker 1: all this. He also wears more hats than those guys.

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Speaker 1: Silva's got his hands in a lot of different you

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Speaker 1: know pots. So yeah, Silva is coming on to talk

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Speaker 1: about Josh Allen. So we are the the last of

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Speaker 1: the four big four connected to this draft, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, enough of nothing is now as we record

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Speaker 1: this just eight days away and thank god get here draft.

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Speaker 1: When's the last time you actually threw out a cast

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Speaker 1: like went fishing? I it's been easily a dozen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I never had the patience for it, really, right, I

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Speaker 1: so that's that's less than that. But it's been it's

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Speaker 1: been a while. Your wife is a gifted fisher woman.

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Speaker 1: Who does she go with you or? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not really a real people say fisher woman. Your fish

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Speaker 1: here in Ohio and it's like Higlands fish, I don't.

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Speaker 1: cold one. Well, if you guys come to Tybe with

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. Let's do some news. Cut tarm

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Speaker 1: only the richest nation in the world, but not as

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Speaker 1: expensive to travel to as you may think. Cats are

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Speaker 1: of uh controversy after Monday show. People care a lot

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Speaker 1: about a pronunciation that nobody can agree on. Adam Schefter

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Speaker 1: is one of the most prominent insiders in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Gagna sent the and the ESPN senior writer reported on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday that Tom Brady still has not committed to playing

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Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, even though people who know him

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Speaker 1: come back for another season. One source told the Spend

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Speaker 1: my money would be on him playing football for the

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Speaker 1: This is what I call barstool reporting. You can create

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Speaker 1: gonna do. Tho you're going to go. It's like a

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Speaker 1: that is. But Tom Brady, like schefter, isn't even reporting anything.

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Speaker 1: He's just like people out there are speculating that he

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Speaker 1: to me, this story is about how news, in particular

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Speaker 1: Henderson's need when she said that quote about it's like

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure NFL Network has been hitting this hard.

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Speaker 1: It's just how the snausage gets made. Um but I

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Speaker 1: He spent last year out of football. UH. Flirted a

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Speaker 1: little bit with the Ravens, but they never signed. That

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Speaker 1: never came to an agreement. So Mangold's careers over. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to throw in that centers, you don't really

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Speaker 1: miss a center, and Mangold was one of the best

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Speaker 1: in the league for a decade. You don't miss having

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Speaker 1: a competent center, or certainly a star center until you

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Speaker 1: you don't have one. And UH, Jets fans have not

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Speaker 1: been blessed over the years and a a lot of important positions,

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Speaker 1: but they went from Kevin Mauai directly to Nick Mangold

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Speaker 1: for about a twenty year stretch for the franchise, and

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Speaker 1: then last year bang Wesley Johnson, who is one of

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Speaker 1: the worst graded out centers in the league and certainly

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Speaker 1: did not help Billy Powell, didn't help the quarterbacks. UH.

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Speaker 1: And there there's no the Jets have been in the

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Speaker 1: market for a new center, so Mangold is I love

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Speaker 1: it the Jets are like the center version of the

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Speaker 1: Packers and quarterbacks exactly. We're almost there. One spot we

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Speaker 1: missed it, but Mangold retires and one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: personalities on the Jets Mangolds great player. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit like Donovan McNabb in my mind

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Speaker 1: that the first ten years of his career, you're thinking

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Speaker 1: Hall of fame and it just doesn't end the way

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Speaker 1: that you think a Hall of famer's career shouldn't. His

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Speaker 1: body just kind of broke down on him. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news all right before we

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Speaker 1: get to uh, Evan Silva, uh West you you brought

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Speaker 1: this to our attention. UH, So I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: surface it here on the podcast. The Falcons began their

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Speaker 1: offseason workout program and they released a nice tidy video

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Speaker 1: with head coach and friend of the show Dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: uh speaking to his team uh for the first time

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Speaker 1: and uh I I enjoyed watching it because it does

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Speaker 1: provide a lot of insight into what coaches have to

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Speaker 1: kind of the stick that they need to come up

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Speaker 1: with every year around this time, and especially they have

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Speaker 1: to come up with whether it's a catchphrase or some

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Speaker 1: general same message. It's gotta be a little different. It's

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Speaker 1: that's one of the challenges being a coach. It reminds

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Speaker 1: me of what Richard Sherman said about Pete Carroll that

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of these great stories and ways

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Speaker 1: to fire us up, but he's only got so many

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Speaker 1: and we he keeps starting to re is him a

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Speaker 1: bunch for the guys that seven or eight years and

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Speaker 1: it's like, we've heard all your stories at this point,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, maybe that's why he's getting rid of some players.

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Speaker 1: So let's hear Dan Quinn, now entering his fourth season

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Speaker 1: with the Falcons, what he's coming up with. It's always

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Speaker 1: a good time to remind you. The shortcuts a lot

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Speaker 1: and uh so, we got a strain, we got a battle.

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Speaker 1: We gotta put it in for one another, and knowing

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Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a big part of what we

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Speaker 1: do um to be the best version of you. There

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Speaker 1: really ain't no shortcuts. It's gonna be early more, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be straining, it's gonna be all this stuff you

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Speaker 1: gotta do together and don't take a hell of a

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Speaker 1: lot of disc pine. He the buzzword is what strain,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of an interesting but let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: I love Dan Quinn, friend of the show. Strain interesting one. Well,

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Speaker 1: other teams haven't used it. I see a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams kind of biting and using the same slogans and stuff.

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Speaker 1: He's coming original side, right. It's not like play like

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Speaker 1: It's effort and it's giving max effort and you don't

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Speaker 1: want to use maybe some more familiar words and that

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Speaker 1: a but strain almos has a negative content. It feels

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Speaker 1: like a Nicolas cage maybe about an airborne disease. It's

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Speaker 1: a strain of the strain. Uh. And then I this

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Speaker 1: another trope of head coaches and we see it every

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Speaker 1: year on hard Knocks, building analogies. All right, over the

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Speaker 1: next two weeks, all right, what do you want to

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Speaker 1: get done? Now? I'm putting that foundation into his right an.

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Speaker 1: I want to try to apply and putting my stuff.

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Speaker 1: Don't buy a live man. Alright, all the stuff we've

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Speaker 1: got to put out for one another. Start putting that

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Speaker 1: foundation together. Got some bricks up there, bricks keep adding

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Speaker 1: to it all right as we go foundation bricks. That's

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Speaker 1: a big thing. You remember in Hard Knocks last year,

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Speaker 1: I want Dan Quinn to just coach our podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wish he was coaching my football. Come in, come

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Speaker 1: over every few months. That's all we need. On the

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Speaker 1: Bucks Hard Knock season. It was a golden opportunity for

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Speaker 1: the dirt Cutter and the coaching step because they were

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Speaker 1: actually building a new training facility next to the existing

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Speaker 1: any facility. So the entire summer was just a bunch

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Speaker 1: of construction analogies. Uh So that that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: popular one. One of the most impressive things about NFL

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Speaker 1: coaches to me is that they're able to spend so

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Speaker 1: much time annotating motivational speaker books, like that whole niche

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Speaker 1: market of the books where it's just motivational books. They

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Speaker 1: must spend all off season reading that stuff. This this

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Speaker 1: is really a tease because I want to do later

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Speaker 1: in the off season, really in the dog days, the

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Speaker 1: motivational slogan power rankings across the NFL. We gotta do

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Speaker 1: some research and we gotta look around because I noticed

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Speaker 1: Rams love the Rams rooting for them this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: team of around the NFL last year. Their big slogan

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Speaker 1: last year was we not me. But this year they've

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Speaker 1: made we not me. Uh. The middle block of a

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Speaker 1: very confusing pyramid, which it's a it's a mixed message,

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Speaker 1: it's too many words. I think. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna end up high on the power. I'm a little

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Speaker 1: concerned about the rams based on this shirt. If you

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Speaker 1: check out if you look at Alden unders or Gonzals

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Speaker 1: tweeted it out ESPs but also listened to the show.

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Speaker 1: Nice shout out to Alden. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: bottom layer of this pyramid, character connected consistency communication, you

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Speaker 1: know what that is? Great? Well, yes, it's the foundation

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Speaker 1: of that okay triangle foundation and uh And just because

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Speaker 1: West I know you're a huge Spurs fan, I thought

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Speaker 1: you'd like God, alright, you like this from Tim Duncan

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Speaker 1: Good better best, never let it rest. So you're good

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Speaker 1: is better and you're better at the best, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's strain is all right and getting your game exactly

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Speaker 1: like you want. So that's another trope, the using another

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Speaker 1: famous athlete like something they said, or using a champion

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Speaker 1: from another sport and then he drops another strain in there,

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Speaker 1: so that the strain hat trick. I call it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bad time a year to be a Spurs fan this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they down down O two and Kauai is nowhere to

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Speaker 1: be found. Um he might have played his last game

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Speaker 1: right ever for the Spur Yeah, isn't there some There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about that. I'm not putting. I

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Speaker 1: mean it seems like he's been hit with the strain

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Speaker 1: or something. He's too hard or maybe needs to strain more.

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes people forget that if you have one

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Speaker 1: of the best players in the NBA, your only job

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Speaker 1: is to keep that player, because the best players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA mean that much. The Giants, for instance, were

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Speaker 1: smart enough to eventually come to their senses with Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, like I thought you were gonna

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Speaker 1: say that, they've they've you know, came back on the

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Speaker 1: realization that Eli Manning is one of the best players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, because that's what they think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is like one of thirty players who will

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Speaker 1: get regular snaps from the for the Giants. This. You know, basketball,

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Speaker 1: you have like five guys if you have one of

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Speaker 1: the top three players in the sport. You can't get

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Speaker 1: rid of them, all right, So there you go. Good

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Speaker 1: luck to the Falcons and the Spurs and the Spurs,

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Speaker 1: and I hope the Lions are taking notes because I

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Speaker 1: know they got they got going with their offseason program

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Speaker 1: in a timely fashion. But if you really want to

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Speaker 1: be a real power player in the NFC, like the

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Speaker 1: Falcons are got a strain, Cardinals are already on the

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Speaker 1: field practicing first team. That should be the Dan hands

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Speaker 1: a sleeper pick for the year that they're already out there.

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Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes is that like the new coach, there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a balance, Steven. They even seem like the other

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Speaker 1: new coaches are like, yeah, we're still gonna wait another week,

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Speaker 1: but will okay Wilsie and well, Wilksie, you know, Wilsie

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Speaker 1: knows Wilksi's in a tough spot. So Wilkie's like, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna practice literally every day, like fourteen hours a

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Speaker 1: day and hope to get to eight wins. Good sound

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Speaker 1: to be a Falcons fans, all right, Moving on, how

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Speaker 1: do you feel about the Cardinals prospects to get I

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Speaker 1: thought you would like that they'll be lucky to win

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Speaker 1: eight games. Well, don't you don't aggress I don't feeling

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Speaker 1: I don't know, tough time. I think, I'm it's it's April.

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Speaker 1: It feels a little early to be writing off the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: But it's fair. I'm done from this perch. It's been done.

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Speaker 1: You have access to the lab. I'm not about to

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Speaker 1: be smirched your knowledge of or your predicting ability. Thanks well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. All right, moving on, it is time

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Speaker 1: to can hinue our Draft Quarterbacks series. This will be

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Speaker 1: the most important draft like ever. Guys. We need to

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Speaker 1: talk about jos and to do that, to talk about

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Speaker 1: the wyoming passer, the man with and they only use

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Speaker 1: this caliber or a gun whenever talking about a man

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Speaker 1: with a strong throwing arm in professional football. Howitzer attached

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Speaker 1: to his right shoulder affixed. Uh. We are talking to

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Speaker 1: Evan Silva. Oh yeah, baby, the big fish has been

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Speaker 1: reeled in from Rhodo World. What's up, ev I'm doing well,

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Speaker 1: What's what's up? Guys? Thanks for so much for having

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Speaker 1: me back on the show. It's great to have you. Evan.

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Speaker 1: Uh the iconic commentator on the most recent edition of

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Speaker 1: The Graybeard's Roster Evan came hard at a lot of

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Speaker 1: of my selections, especially my skill positions on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. But the defense, who has tremendous though.

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Speaker 1: I love how you put together that defensive front seven.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate who's running your defense,

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Speaker 1: Rob Bryan. We got Robbed, No, we got Rex actuallyers coach.

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Speaker 1: Rob's kind on the sideline. He's kind of a go

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Speaker 1: for a type guy. But Evan's here. He is you

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Speaker 1: know who he is. He's the senior editor of Rhoda

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Speaker 1: World's football coverage. The man knows his stuff. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and we were talking about who who's a good person

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Speaker 1: to talked about Josh Allen, Who's really a divisive guy

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Speaker 1: in this draft, the most the in terms of the

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Speaker 1: push and pull. This guy is gonna be a stud.

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Speaker 1: This guy is gonna be total bomb. Uh. There's no

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Speaker 1: one like Josh Allen at the top of this draft.

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Speaker 1: And Greg Rosenthal, you said to me when we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this, Oh, I think Silva has some hot

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Speaker 1: takes on this topic. Well, if you follow silv on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: you've gotten some Josh Allen. Uh, you know, bile coming

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Speaker 1: at this kid from Wyoming. So I I wanted to hear, Evan, Uh,

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Speaker 1: explain it. You have and you haven't been a fan

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Speaker 1: of Josh Allen as a draft prospect. That's fair to say, right, Evan. Now,

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Speaker 1: I started watching him last off season, UM, and there

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Speaker 1: was a game against Nebraska where he threw five interceptions

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Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you know this kid is

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Speaker 1: because he was being pumped up last off season as

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Speaker 1: you know, the maybe the next great thing. And he

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Speaker 1: had just this terrible game against Nebraska that that I watched,

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Speaker 1: and just like you, kept getting worse and worse and

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Speaker 1: worse and snowballing. And you know he didn't get better. Uh.

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Speaker 1: During his second year as a starter at Wyoming, he

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Speaker 1: was only a starter at Wyoming for two years he

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00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: transferred from Juco. At Juco, he completed of his passes.

637
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: In his theoretically big year at Wyoming he completed about

638
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: fifty and then last year he was right about um

639
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of his struggles this past year were

640
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: blamed on his supporting cast the year before, which was

641
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: again theoretically his big year, He had a bunch of

642
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: NFL He was surrounded by NFL talent. Their center is

643
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: now the starting center for the Redskins um they had

644
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: Cody Hollister at wide receiver. I'm sorry, Jacob Hollister, the

645
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: brother of Cody Hollister currently on the Patriots, made some

646
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: plays last preseason. No, Jacob, Jacob Hollister and Brian Hill

647
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: was a fifth round pick of the Falcons last year. Uh.

648
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: And I think that Josh Allen, at the end of

649
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: the day, is a big you know, uh. Uh. Coaches

650
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: will see him as a guy that they can mold,

651
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: but I think that that's going to be really difficult

652
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: because he has not demonstrated the ability to throw the

653
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: ball with consistent accuracy at any level of football to date.

654
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: Can't you say the same thing about Cam Newton, especially

655
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: if you watched him the year after his m v

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: P or Carson Wentz during his rookie year or Andrew

657
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Luck on a bad week or in the prime of

658
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: their careers, John Elway, Brett Varve, Donna mc McNabb all had.

659
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: All these guys are big, strapping athletic quarterbacks with come

660
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and go accuracy, and the offense is placed on their shoulders.

661
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Do you see any of that in Josh Allen? Yeah?

662
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: I think that Cam Newton is an interesting comparison, because

663
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is like a really special kind of athlete,

664
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that's really how he wins. He we

665
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: know that he doesn't win with accuracy. He is a special,

666
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: special athlete. And he was a dominant player at every

667
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: level of football. I mean he was that. He went

668
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: to Blinn College and you know, won the National Duco Championship.

669
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: He went to all Burn and won the Heisman Trophy,

670
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: so you know, he was He's been a dominant player

671
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: at every level, whereas Josh Allen has been a guy

672
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: who completed of his passes. And you know, the the

673
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: offense at Wyoming was actually a run first offense, even

674
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: though they had this great quarterback prospect. They were a

675
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: run first offense, not really building the offense around Josh Allen,

676
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: rather building it around Brian Hill or the running game

677
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: in general. And I don't think that Josh Allen brings

678
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: to the table what Cam Newton does as a runner.

679
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: Here here are two opinions from very well known draft analysts.

680
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: One that I struggle to make any sense of. One

681
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: that that spooks me, especially big Fish, as you know

682
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, that Allen is potentially in play

683
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: for new York. Here's what mel Kaifer Jr. Had to say.

684
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't think his completion percentage of matters anymore. That's

685
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: history now, it is what it is. I think people

686
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: have moved past that. I don't know what that means,

687
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: but take it as you will. And Mike Mayok are own.

688
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Mike Mayok said, I don't think his feet and eyes

689
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: are connected. And that's a big, big deal with quarterbacks.

690
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: He's the most physically talented quarterback in this class, but

691
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to do a lot of work

692
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: to do with his footwork. That footwork stuff, especially someone

693
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: who's lived through Christian Hackenburg or the ghost of Christian Hackenburg,

694
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And what also the other UH

695
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: criticism that maybe doesn't anticipate well, and we talked about that,

696
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: UH would really scare me, and especially if you're a

697
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns fan, because maybe it's all smoke screen, but

698
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: putting a project like Josh Allen in Cleveland that is

699
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: like one of those situations where it just smells like

700
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: a disaster. UH. And I know we're skewing very negative

701
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: right now. And that's part of the other discussion I

702
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: wanted to have here, is that what what do people

703
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: like about this guy other than the fact that he's

704
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: got a howitzer and could throw the ball eight yards

705
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: in the air. What what makes him a guy that

706
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: would be with It's worth noting Mayok has him number

707
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: two at quarterback, So Mayok is one of those one

708
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: of those analysts who likes him better than Josh Rose

709
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: and who likes him better than Baker Mayfield and and

710
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Why, Evan do you think like someone obviously

711
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: you respect as much as Mayok and watched as much

712
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: as Mayak likes Alan at that at the top five

713
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: type of level. I think it's just purely the tools.

714
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, the common feeling is

715
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: that he helped himself. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah has mentioned this.

716
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: Josh Allen helped himself so much at the Senior Bowl

717
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: and at his Pro day and at the Combine, and

718
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: his stock has like been solidified at those stages of

719
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: the off season. Not necessarily what he did in the games,

720
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: because he wasn't very good in the games, but what

721
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: he has done, you know, at all the different stages

722
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: of the off season, and that in and of itself,

723
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: I think should be scary I think that the Browns

724
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: at number one, and I I'm kind of leaning back

725
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: towards thinking that they're gonna take Sam Donald like everybody else.

726
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: But I think that at number one, the Browns could

727
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: theoretically talk themselves into Josh Allen being a good idea

728
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: at number one because they have Tyrod Taylor and they

729
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: have that guy that they think they can start for

730
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: a full year while Josh Allen sits from the bench

731
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: and learns. But that, of course, in and of itself,

732
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: is debatable because how have you guys ever gotten better

733
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: at sports? The only way that I've ever gotten better

734
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: at sports was by playing the sports and not you know,

735
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: staying there on the sideline. West gave me a lot

736
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: of good coaching in softball, I have to say, just

737
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: mentally gave me some tips that that helped me out.

738
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: But I hear, I hear what you're saying. Softball often

739
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: compared to an NFL gridiron, it titles the title I

740
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: hear you you you mentioned Cam. I mean, he is

741
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: a alan Is. It does seem like a pretty uh

742
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: special athlete like he can he can evade the rush

743
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: and and run you know as well or are close

744
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: to as well as a Carson, Like I can see

745
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: why people kind of look at the body and and

746
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: think like, Okay, maybe there's some Carson wentz to him

747
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: there and they talked to him, and he seems, you know, smart,

748
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: and people talk about his wonder Look, he's a great guy,

749
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: whatever it's like. But I'm thinking football intelligence that's what

750
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: matters more, and he doesn't really show that from what

751
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: I've seen, Like he's very frenetic in the pocket where

752
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: he he tries to leave before there's any pressure. He

753
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: makes kind of crazy throws that you don't really know

754
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: where it's coming. And like, I don't care if he's

755
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: like a smart dude, and I care if he plays smart.

756
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Like Ryan Fitzpatrick's a smart dude. He doesn't play smart,

757
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: and that that's the part I think if you're Josh Allen,

758
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: like it's a lot to overcome, like getting accurate at

759
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: the pro level and getting like pocket presence at the

760
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: pro level, And I'm not sure he really showed that.

761
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Ran Fitzpatrick went's at Harvard. So in two thousand eleven,

762
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: we were told by the media that Blne Gobbert had

763
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: just as good or chance as anybody to go number one.

764
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Overall to the Panthers that year. If you guys remember that,

765
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: we do remember it was beaten into our head that

766
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Blene Gobert might go number one. And when people submitted

767
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: their final mock draft, you know, the night before the draft,

768
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of those mock draft said Blae Gabbert

769
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: at number one, and he wound up going to number eleven,

770
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: going falling to number eleven, which she probably was more

771
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: deserving of, certainly in hindsight. But he just wasn't very

772
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: good in college. And that's why it was confusing enter

773
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: that entering that draft is like, well, we have this

774
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: one guy. He wins, you know, like Cam Newton was

775
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: the best player in college football. Blaine Gabbert wasn't even

776
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: good at Missoo and Josh Allen is similar, wasn't even

777
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: good at Wyoming. I wonder if the Browns don't take

778
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: commit one, how far could he fall? Could he slipped

779
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: to like number twelve and the Bills. Yeah, that's a

780
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: great call. Like he is a guy as a as

781
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: a guy that has a lot of red flags, but

782
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: all this positive, these positives about his attributes and things

783
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: of that nature. He could be that guy if you

784
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: had to pick one of the four, the Big four,

785
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: he would be the guy who could see slipping to

786
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: the bills. And in an effort to extract something positive

787
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: from Evan about Josh Allen, I'm gonna read a sentence

788
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: from Sigmund Bloom, a guy we all know and respect

789
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: who did some tape study from his Wyoming games, and

790
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Sigmund says, Alan is cartoonishly depicted as arm strength and

791
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: size with nothing else holding him together, but in reality

792
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: is a quarterback who can play the game with nuance

793
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: and inspiration to amplify the impact of his gifts. Do

794
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: you disagree with that, big fish? What do you got

795
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: to say? Um, I think that that's just a glass

796
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: half fool way to look at Josh Allen. I mean

797
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: it's not like I think you have to look at

798
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: him from a probability angle. You don't necessarily look at

799
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: him from oh, he's a surefire bust. I mean I

800
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: think that you look at him from a probability angle,

801
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: and I think that his probability is low. Okay, but

802
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: there is a chance that he could hit and certainly

803
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: one of the um, you know, one of the biggest

804
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: fact positive factors that we have going for Josh Allen

805
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: is that it seems like the NFL loves him, and

806
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: so you know, but besides that, we have we have

807
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: the arm strength, we have the athleticism, the raw arms

808
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: strength and athleticism. But you know, one of the feathers

809
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: in his cap is that NFL decision makers seem to

810
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: really like him. And that's certainly a positive treat. He

811
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: seems to compete and he his great throws are great,

812
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Like you can see that, Like you can see the

813
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: great throws are are incredible. It's sometimes it's just about perception.

814
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: If if he was being talked about as a late

815
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: second round pick with upside, we'd probably all be sitting

816
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: here talking about how much we like him. It's just

817
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going in the top ten. Like

818
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: you can see why people think here's a guy you

819
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: can mold and maybe can turn into something different. But

820
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: he's never really made the players around him better, which

821
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I that's kind of the point you made Silver That

822
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: hits home with me the most, that he didn't really

823
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: improve the Wyoming offense that much. And it seems like

824
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: a factor for a quarterback and I care about the

825
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: winning and losing stuff in college two in the Power

826
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: five against opponents in the Power five oh and three

827
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: one touchdown, eight picks completion. So there's a lot to

828
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: be scared off by if you're a team, But maybe

829
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: a team just falls in love with those abilities. Evan,

830
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm in love with your abilities, Thank you so much.

831
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think that if you're just looking

832
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: at it from a probability angle, who do you think

833
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: has the higher probability Josh Rosen or Josh Allen based

834
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: on everything that we know about these guys, who would

835
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: be a higher probability NFL quarterback for sure? I mean

836
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: that that takes the health angle out of it too,

837
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: doesn't it that that people are scared off by Rosen's

838
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: medical history, which can be which can cause a prospect

839
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: to bust just as easily as any other thing. I mean,

840
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I think that Josh Rosen's health, you know, past history

841
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: of injuries, is something that you certainly need to weigh

842
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: into your analysis when you're trying to do, like talk

843
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: about probability when it comes to these guys. I just

844
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: think that Josh Rosen is such a better bet to

845
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: become a long term NFL starter based on what we know. Yes,

846
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: he has this. You know this, this story of some injuries,

847
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury, a couple of concussions, that's definitely something

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Speaker 1: that you want to factor in. But even with those

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Speaker 1: to Josh Rosen. And that's what the draft is all about.

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Speaker 1: It's about Evan Silva. You can follow them at Evan Silva.

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Speaker 1: He is a jug guzzler. He's the senior football editor

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Speaker 1: of Rhoda World, and he is the father to the

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Speaker 1: cutest little girl who was going to pick up at

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Speaker 1: we'll touch down the route down the line. Thanks guys,

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Speaker 1: all right there he goes Evan Silva. Uh, you had

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Speaker 1: one other things. There's a smart point about probability, that

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Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, but that sort of

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Speaker 1: eliminates ceilings and floors, and Josh Allen is seen as

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Speaker 1: a guy with the biggest ceiling in the draft. And

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Speaker 1: it reminds me of all of the people saying that

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's probability wasn't that high, that there was a

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Speaker 1: on something like that, it is a franchise dooming mistake.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's also the case for how the Brown's gonna

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Speaker 1: I know it's different leadership, but could end up with

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen because they will go against uh. The instincts

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Speaker 1: that they had with Wentz didn't work out and now

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Speaker 1: they know we're gonna bet on ability and raw talent

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Speaker 1: and what are the worst franchises always doing reacting to

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Speaker 1: the mistakes of their previous regime. You're rooting for Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen because you don't like you don't like dogmatic thinking,

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Speaker 1: west that that everyone basically has written this guy off.

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Speaker 1: I am absolute rooting for Josh Allen because analytics were

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Speaker 1: created to combat dogmatic thinking, and instead most analytics lovers

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Speaker 1: now embraced dogmatism as long as that dogmatism is what

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Speaker 1: the analytics say it is. Yeah. The thing, the thing is,

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Speaker 1: I think that the tape for him is the thing

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Speaker 1: that can you know, I watched all the people who

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Speaker 1: are start with watching tape love him right the some

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Speaker 1: some do, some don't. It's it's just the propelled it's

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Speaker 1: the volume, and it reminds me of like how you

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Speaker 1: look at NFL quarterbacks too, and Cam is a good

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Speaker 1: example if someone who's kind of broken out of that.

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Speaker 1: But Cam has always been able to throw the ball deep.

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Speaker 1: It's the high quantity of totally missed routine throws, like missed,

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Speaker 1: like you're just missing five yard throws, just totally missed

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Speaker 1: routine throws. And then also like the deeper throws. You

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Speaker 1: know he wasn't connecting on too much either, and it's

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Speaker 1: just that they're missing by a lot. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, is that something that can because the

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Speaker 1: athleticism is awesome, some throws on the run are like crazy.

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Speaker 1: I haven't broken down his tape. I read the Sigma

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Speaker 1: Bloom piece and he said he misses three to five

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Speaker 1: throws a game, which you can get You can get

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Speaker 1: around that. You can definitely get around missing three to

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Speaker 1: five throws a game. If that's it, then yeah, you

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Speaker 1: need to make up for it with a like a

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Speaker 1: He seems like a guy who could fit in a

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Speaker 1: highly schemed type of offense. But that's what Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: is in right now, Like Highley schemed, like let's count

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Speaker 1: on him to be athletic and like work around those drinks,

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Speaker 1: like if he lands in the right spot then then

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Speaker 1: that could well. So I don't know how much you

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Speaker 1: put into if you missed on three to five, like

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was played out of his mind of the

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Speaker 1: well there was also he mentioned the Nebraska gave there

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Speaker 1: was like one game in each year, and the Boise

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Speaker 1: game is crazy. I mean the boys the game. If

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Speaker 1: you watch the game, you would think he's one of

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Speaker 1: the worst quarterbacks you know in college football. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: three to five, it was like fifteen in that game,

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Speaker 1: which is several games of Cam Newton every year except

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Speaker 1: for his MVP. That's well, I don't want to minimize

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Speaker 1: the difference. Cam Newton is the best running quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the most efficient running quarterback in NFL history, So I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like act like this guy can just

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Speaker 1: come in and do what Cam Newton does. Cam Newton's

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Speaker 1: run ability is totally I don't want to say it's

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Speaker 1: underrated because people know he's a runner, but he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be a starting quarterback in the NFL without that run,

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Speaker 1: right And Alan I think will be will kind of

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Speaker 1: be the same way, but I don't think he's quite

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Speaker 1: at that level. The more. The more I watched him,

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Speaker 1: I thought more Josh McCown, who to me is a

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Speaker 1: really underrated athlete who can really kind of just create

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Speaker 1: things on his own, has a great arm, it can

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Speaker 1: can run really well, has had a drafted better hope

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Speaker 1: that's had a great career. But that's not who I'm

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Speaker 1: taking in the top five. If he goes top five

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Speaker 1: or even top twelve, you want him to be better

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Speaker 1: than Josh McCown, even though we all love Josh. All Right,

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Speaker 1: that's it for today's Additionally, Around the NFL Podcast a

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Speaker 1: reminder that on Friday, and we hope to have Sessler

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Speaker 1: back with us, it is the return of your the GM.

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Speaker 1: One of our favorite segments and one of the listener

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Speaker 1: favorite segments of the Around the NFL Podcast. A little

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Speaker 1: role playing, a little cosplay. Well, no one's gonna be

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Speaker 1: dressed up as their favorite GM. How do you know

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Speaker 1: that would be a first? I'm gonna dress up as

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Speaker 1: Reggie Mcki. Actually yeah, I would, Sugar. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: me thinking, it wouldn't be that hard to dress up

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Speaker 1: as John Dorsey. Just find like an like a twenty

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Speaker 1: year old brown some white high tops. It was like

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Speaker 1: seven marks definitely got a sweatshirt that could. It's gotta

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Speaker 1: be two sizes too big, right, so I could wear marks.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it would work for me. I feel like fifty

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Speaker 1: s of NFL personnel just wear brown kaggies and white sneakers,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna dress it. Dimitrov, You'll be very slick.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some fancy glay says with multiple colors

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Speaker 1: on all right, so looking forward to that. Until then,

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Speaker 1: this is Dan hans As signing off for the Mound

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Speaker 1: and the Old Boss and the Big Fish. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us, of course, this money bags behind the glass

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Speaker 1: till Friday. M